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Title: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: whatapiper on May 27, 2011, 11:37:27 PM
Bethel Woods Center for the Arts, Bethel NY

Set I: Tweezer> My Friend My Friend, Poor Heart, Roses are Free, Funky Bitch, Wolfman's Brother>
Walk Away, Stash, Bouncin, Kill Devil Falls, Bold as Love

Set II: Carini, Back on the Train, Boogie on Reggae Woman > Waves > Prince Caspian, Crosseyed and Painless, Wading in the Velvet Sea, Possum, Squirming Coil

Encore: Julius
Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Undermind on May 27, 2011, 11:42:53 PM
Tweeprise Sunday?
Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: mbw on May 27, 2011, 11:43:33 PM
cool poster.  pretty good show, it seems.
Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: aphineday on May 27, 2011, 11:43:57 PM
Quote from: Undermind on May 27, 2011, 11:42:53 PM
Tweeprise Sunday?
It would seem so. Interesting.
Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: whatapiper on May 27, 2011, 11:44:37 PM
tweeprise opener whenever RJ gets around to seeing the phish
Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Undermind on May 27, 2011, 11:44:46 PM
Quote from: aphineday on May 27, 2011, 11:43:57 PM
Quote from: Undermind on May 27, 2011, 11:42:53 PM
Tweeprise Sunday?
It would seem so. Interesting.
Very un 3.0
Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: whatapiper on May 27, 2011, 11:53:54 PM
curious to see what Mattstick has to say
Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Undermind on May 27, 2011, 11:57:03 PM
1st set untracked AUD
http://www.sendspace.com/file/udge1m
Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: mbw on May 28, 2011, 12:03:35 AM
Quote from: whatapiper on May 27, 2011, 11:53:54 PM
curious to see what Mattstick has to say

was he there?
Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Undermind on May 28, 2011, 12:07:40 AM
Quote from: Undermind on May 27, 2011, 11:57:03 PM
1st set untracked AUD
http://www.sendspace.com/file/udge1m

Gonna listen to KDF and then go to bed
Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: whatapiper on May 28, 2011, 12:10:17 AM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on May 28, 2011, 12:03:35 AM
Quote from: whatapiper on May 27, 2011, 11:53:54 PM
curious to see what Mattstick has to say

was he there?

yep
Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: mangOnectar on May 28, 2011, 12:32:01 AM
Caught the 2nd set stream. It seemed like they are just getting warmed up, but that boogie>waves>pc kicked ass. Very excited for this run.
Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: thechad on May 28, 2011, 12:32:33 AM
Hope they didn't get any of the rain we got up here in the north, a lot wet campers tonight if they did.
Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: mbw on May 28, 2011, 12:35:04 AM
Quote from: whatapiper on May 28, 2011, 12:10:17 AM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on May 28, 2011, 12:03:35 AM
Quote from: whatapiper on May 27, 2011, 11:53:54 PM
curious to see what Mattstick has to say

was he there?

yep

it will be EPIC then  :P
Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: thechad on May 28, 2011, 12:39:25 AM
Shows up on LP, seems faster than in the past.
Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: whatapiper on May 28, 2011, 12:44:11 AM
Quote from: thechad on May 28, 2011, 12:39:25 AM
Shows up on LP, seems faster than in the past.

yup and I had 4 errors, 3 of which still are not working  :|
Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: fauxpaxfauxreal on May 28, 2011, 12:44:27 AM
I thought it was a very solid show to start off.

Very 3.0, with some hints of coolness.

The set one highlights to me were definitely Stash and Kill Devil Falls. 

The stash was well played, and the first peak was masterfully executed.  However, it seems like trey was so impressed that he learned how to get a sweet guitar boner again, that he just quickly ended the song after another pseudo-peak.  I've said this before and I'll say it again.  Stash is a song that deserves multiple peaks.  You should be so worn out by the end of the song that when you hear the closing stash licks, it is a breath of fresh air because you are plain tuckered out.  However, this stash had one solid peak, and one rocky peak shortly there after.  When the finishing stash licks came through (augmented by the beautiful tenor voice of the streamer), I was left wanting more and more stash.  They were almost there, but not quite.

Kill Devil Falls is a song that the band loves to play.  Trey in Kill Devil Falls today is akin to Trey in Chalkdust Torture in '94.  The technical virtuosity isn't there, but the enthusiasm for playing the song is.  This is evidenced by versions such as last years Charleston version which is a definite rock and roll rager.  I knew that going in, so I was interested to see how this rocker would play out.

The jam started out, and trey quickly found himself in some "plinko funk" territory.  He used the effect that he has used numerous times since the Gorge '09.  It is the guitar effect he used at the end of the gorge sally.  You can also find it at the end of the Cobo 46 Days and also the Piper from MPP2 2010.  I liked this effect at first, but I find it to be "crutchy" and hardly gets expounded upon enough.  It sounds like a mix between the whammy and the digital delay loop if that makes sense.  Very psychedelic yet simplistic simultaneously.  As quickly as the effect was brought out, the effect went away. 

The jam was very rock and rolly, semi exploratory and yet very safe. 

To me, it didn't sound like Trey was listening to anyone else.

I would love for the band to go back to the basics and re-explore the listening excercises of the early 90's.

Page and Fish had some very cool interaction, but it didn't seem like Trey heard them at all.  Trey wasn't playing badly, but he wasn't really doing anything that I could latch onto besides screaming "look at me, look at me" over and over again.

He hit the digital whammy a couple of times, and I thought they were going to go into a pre-practiced jam segment like the Camden Sand or the New Years Eve ghost.

They didn't. Instead, they went back into an awkward reprise of the chorus of Kill Devil Falls.

Some people loved this KDF.  I thought it had potential but fell flat.

The other highlight of the set was the Tweezer opener.  I was very excited at the beginning, because HOLY SHIT it's a first set Tweezer.  I had huge hopes because of the incredible placement.  The composed section was tight and crunchity and the post "Uncle Ebineezer part was VERY trippy with some digital delay loop from trey.  The band sounded into it.  The jam took off in a soaring Rock style which is how I like my tweezers to begin.

However, as soon as it began, it was over.

Before I knew it the band was playing My Friend My Friend.

I liked the playing of the first set, but it didn't really transport me to another dimension.  The Walk Away was good and well played like the Hartford and 1/1/11 versions, but again, it didn't have that extra *something* to distinguish it from either of those.  I like Phish because they have the ability to transport us to another place where nothing makes sense.  Because they break conventions.  Because they're PHISH.

I gave the set a C+.  This isn't a bad grade.  I enjoyed it a lot.  I'm sure it was fun to see.  It wasn't bad.  But, it's kind of like the really smart kid that never does his homework and makes A's on the test.  His work would be so much better if he actually put some effort into it.

I'm going to go grab some beers and then I'll give my thoughts on the second set (as if anyone cares ;) )
Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: postjack on May 28, 2011, 12:47:42 AM
I care, I enjoyed your review, thanks for posting.
Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: TimberLodge on May 28, 2011, 01:18:26 AM
Quote from: postjack on May 28, 2011, 12:47:42 AM
I care, I enjoyed your review, thanks for posting.

agreed, keep the thoughts coming
Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: danje on May 28, 2011, 01:23:56 AM
Skipped around and the Waves jam is great.
Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Buffalo Budd on May 28, 2011, 01:35:01 AM
Thanks for the review FPFR, look forward to hearing about Paugers' experiences that were in attendance.
Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: PIE-GUY on May 28, 2011, 01:35:42 AM
Mattstick was there. Ran into him at set break. Great tour opener. No compliants even with fuckerpants and wading. At least theyre out of the way.
Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: McGrupp on May 28, 2011, 01:36:17 AM
QuoteBut, it's kind of like the really smart kid that never does his homework and makes A's on the test.  His work would be so much better if he actually put some effort into it.

One of the more accurate ways I've ever heard of explaining all of 3.0.

I liked this show. Super solid opener for the tour. I have hope for good things to come this summer, and improvement upon last summer.
Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: fauxpaxfauxreal on May 28, 2011, 01:51:46 AM
Such a great electric post storm night out here btw.  Nice heat lightning storm as I biked to the store and back.

The second set started up and the dropped directly into Carini.

I love Carini.  Such a great rage tune.  Especially as a second set opener.  It usually implies that the band "means business".  Even thought this Carini did not meander into dark psychedelic post modern weird territory like it sometimes can, but stayed straight, "mean" and typically rockin.  Nothing out of the ordinary, much like the first set, but still a fun tune.  In other words, typical tight but let's not get too crazy Phish.

Back on the Train came next, and I don't think it was worthy of any type of segue notation, but regardless it came next.  Back on the Train is one of those songs that I can do without.  I'll try to enjoy it at a show.  Enjoy the scenery, have some fun, but it's not why I got into phish.  It's bluesy, it's basic, it's kind of "Dead-like".  It's a fine tune and I respect it. However, it doesn't have a sense of humor, it doesn't have an edge...to me... it's not "phishy".

However, Phish does play good versions of the tune in 3.0.

Fine.

This version, some people will love.  It's typically good.  Again, nothing about it caught my ear.  The band played it, people danced.  Yay.  Back on the Train.  I know it sounds like I don't like the tune, trust me, I enjoy it just fine  :beers:

After that came Boogie on Reggae Woman.  Again, another song I am not so stoked about. It's got a good beat.  You can dance to it.  It was written by a soulful blind man.  If it's your favorite song, good for you.  Again, it is not a reason that I got into Phish.  Mike plays his cool effect that everyone is always like "dang dudes, listen to mike".  That is cool.  It's just not why I listen to Phish.

I listen to Phish for the mind melt.  I listen to Phish for the sense of humor over riding a deep sense of spiritual self.  I listen to Phish because they make no sense.

That's what I look for in Phish.

Which is why it took me completely by surprise as Boogie on Boogied on that "something happened".  The universe folded in on itself and Phish became "PHiSH" again.  As the jam was funking along, all of a sudden it sounded like a tape of Phish was playing, and the tape warped and became deformed causing the tape to slow to a crawl distorted like.  It was like a "break down" a la the Weekapaug from 12/6/96 or the YEM from 11/19/96 (A wholly underrated show, btw) except it was the most intensely weirdly cool psychedelic breakdown possible.  IT WAS FUCKING FANTASTIC.  As the warped tape continued to thread itself througout the spindles Boogie on returned to normalcy only to have the "tape" start to warp again.  It did this a couple more times and I was completely losing my shit.

THIS IS WHY I SEE PHISH.

THIS IS "PHISH" BEING "PHISH".

This is the kind of stuff I miss.  CREATIVITY, WEIRDNESS, PHISHYNESS. THAT "IT" FACTOR. 

This is psychedelic.

My only complaint is that I just wanted more of this effect.  I didn't want it relegated to that 40 seconds.  I wanted an hour of it.  I wanted them to continue.  I wanted it to last the whole year.  I wanted the tape to never end.

Unfortunately, they segued into Waves.

Waves is a tune that I'm not huge on, but I can respect.  It's cool.  It's dead like.  And it had a cool jam.

Near the end of the short jam segment the whole band got very ambient and spacy and eerily tonal.  They were just blasting sub sonic tones in such a delightlfully light, clean and pleasing manner that I enjoyed it.  It was like being refreshed by sound.  It was quite cool.

During this period I joked that "they were going into "morning dew"".  It was very much like an old dead show coming out of a heavy psychedelic space when they would play "morning dew".  I'm sure many thought that they would play "Slave".  Instead, they played Prince Caspian.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge Caspian fan.  I love the tune.  The segue into it was gorgeous, the "jam" sucked.  Even this Caspian "lover" didn't like it.  And I LOVE the tune.  Meh.

Crosseyed and Painless came next, and it was a short and pleasing version.  Nothing like the ragers that came before it.  I'm kind of over the tune and it's cool if you like C + P, but if you aren't a huge fan of the tune, you'll probably be like "cool, that was crosseyed".

Wading in the Velvet sea was wading and Possum was possum.  Thanks.  We're Phish.  3.0.  Yay! 

Sorry if I sound negative at this point, it's not my intent.  I would have enjoyed these songs live, but I definitely would have been disappointed with them needlessly. Some people like them, and I'm sure they had a blast.  There was probably some kid that got his phish cherry popped tonight who was simply ecstatic about them.

I'm not that guy.

The Squirming Coil came next which was very surprising.  I was sure possum was ending the show.  I like when Phish does that.  Make you think a set is ending and then they pull an even bigger set closer out of thin air.  That's sweet.  Trey botched it a couple of times, but oh well.  EVERY COIL I'VE SEEN SINCE '96 HAS BEEN BOTCHED.  THAT IS HOW IT GOES.  ;)  Pages solo was simply sublime.  Some people hate crowd clappers, but the crowd clapped along during the solo VERY WELL.  I loved it.  Near the end of the coil solo, I thought that Page was about to segue into an Elton John or Rolling Stones tune.  I'm sure he teased something.  It was very very sweet.  Great ending to a solid show.

Julius encored, and like all julius' it rocked.

My thoughts in sum?  People that don't like 3.0 won't be converted by this show.  This show is a STEREOTYPICAL 3.0 show.  Aside from the promising ending of Waves, and the INCREDIBLE gymnastics during the ending of Boogie On, there is nothing that happened during this show that jaded vets will even remotely latch onto.  Newer fans will probably love it, and it is in the top half of 3.0 shows.

It was good.

As far as rumors about Phish breaking up are concerned, I don't think people need to worry about Trey being on drugs.  He sounds acute.  I would like for the band to do listening excercises together, and I think you all would too, whether or not you know it, but the band does sound solid. 

Is this show better than anything I saw from 98 and before?  NO.

Is this show better than some of what I saw in 99 and 2000? Yes.

The boogie on is one of those "cool ass fuck" moments.  I'd say if you are jaded about Phish at all, listen to Boogie On-->Waves.  If you don't like that sequence, you are going to HATE 3.0.  If you think it sounds promising, you might be in for a treat.

Some here think I'm negative, and I think that's bullshit.  I'm the first to defend phish when they are playing well.  I enjoyed listening to tonights show a lot!  I would have liked to be at this show and am kind of sad I wasn't.  I hope you feel the same way too  :wtu:

Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: emay on May 28, 2011, 02:13:10 AM
Saving the Tweezer Reprise for Bethel3/holmdel1/detroit/cinci?
Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: emay on May 28, 2011, 02:19:01 AM
I also like on the Phish fb page you can stream the show from the night before! Sweeeeet. new feature?
Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Bobafett on May 28, 2011, 03:25:29 AM
Quote from: PIE-GUY on May 28, 2011, 01:35:42 AM
Mattstick was there. Ran into him at set break. Great tour opener. No compliants even with fuckerpants and wading. At least theyre out of the way.
If a pielover enjoyed it, even with an ef-pants and a velvet, i beleive it. :mrgreen:
Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: mangOnectar on May 28, 2011, 03:45:35 AM
Great review FPFR.

I felt as you did during the page solo, it almost sounded like page was playing off the crowd's clapping which I though was a nice touch, and then the clapping stopped and the crowd cheered ecstatically (a beautiful moment).

I very much appreciate what some might call your 'negative' remarks because, IMO, constructive criticism is one of the highest forms of praise.
Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: mattstick on May 28, 2011, 07:48:34 AM
Quote from: whatapiper on May 27, 2011, 11:53:54 PM
curious to see what Mattstick has to say

3.0
Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Undermind on May 28, 2011, 08:21:40 AM
I think ScottyB said this in a tweet last night too, but I will never look at KDF the same after this version.   :music:
Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: emay on May 28, 2011, 09:13:22 AM
They are pretty together through most the show. They seem to know what they're doing. It seems like they are a looser too. Which can open up to some sweet jamz, if they want to.
And Treys tone seems a little cleaner...
Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: sophist on May 28, 2011, 09:16:16 AM
This Tweezer is really good.  Trey's been practicing.  His dexterity is back, his phrasing is awesome, and he's fucking channeling into a little jedi.  It's not over the top RAWK either.  I'm digging how he does a soaring run and falls back into the pocket, allowing the rest of the band the chance to breathe.  The segue into MFMF is iffy, ~> , it sounded like the rest of the band wanted to take that Tweezer to the outer regions of rage.  Perhaps next time.  MFMF is solid. 

More to come as I listen to this. 
Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Undermind on May 28, 2011, 09:17:27 AM
Quote from: sophist on May 28, 2011, 09:16:16 AM
This Tweezer is really good.  Trey's been practicing.  His dexterity is back, his phrasing is awesome, and he's fucking channeling into a little jedi.  It's not over the top RAWK either.  I'm digging how he does a soaring run and falls back into the pocket, allowing the rest of the band the chance to breathe.  The segue into MFMF is iffy, ~> , it sounded like the rest of the band wanted to that Tweezer to the outer regions of rage.  Perhaps next time.  MFMF is solid. 

More to come as I listen to this.

He also does some interesting stuff during Bitch actually and now I am listening to him tear apart this Wolfmans!

oh and the segue from Wolfman's into Walk Away is butter and deserves the ->
Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Undermind on May 28, 2011, 09:17:55 AM
taylorc's pull is up for those interested
http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=545228
Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: emay on May 28, 2011, 09:20:31 AM
Quote from: Undermind on May 28, 2011, 09:17:27 AM
Quote from: sophist on May 28, 2011, 09:16:16 AM
This Tweezer is really good.  Trey's been practicing.  His dexterity is back, his phrasing is awesome, and he's fucking channeling into a little jedi.  It's not over the top RAWK either.  I'm digging how he does a soaring run and falls back into the pocket, allowing the rest of the band the chance to breathe.  The segue into MFMF is iffy, ~> , it sounded like the rest of the band wanted to that Tweezer to the outer regions of rage.  Perhaps next time.  MFMF is solid. 

More to come as I listen to this.

He also does some interesting stuff during Bitch actually and now I am listening to him tear apart this Wolfmans!

oh and the segue from Wolfman's into Walk Away is butter and deserves the ->

Yeah he throws in some quick notes in Funky Bitch....I literally  :-o almost dropped my coffee. Shit was hot. First set down, set 2 up next. This summer tour is gonna be  :crazy: :music: :music: :music: :music:
Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Undermind on May 28, 2011, 09:22:07 AM
Quote from: emayPhishyMD on May 28, 2011, 09:20:31 AM
Quote from: Undermind on May 28, 2011, 09:17:27 AM
Quote from: sophist on May 28, 2011, 09:16:16 AM
This Tweezer is really good.  Trey's been practicing.  His dexterity is back, his phrasing is awesome, and he's fucking channeling into a little jedi.  It's not over the top RAWK either.  I'm digging how he does a soaring run and falls back into the pocket, allowing the rest of the band the chance to breathe.  The segue into MFMF is iffy, ~> , it sounded like the rest of the band wanted to that Tweezer to the outer regions of rage.  Perhaps next time.  MFMF is solid. 

More to come as I listen to this.

He also does some interesting stuff during Bitch actually and now I am listening to him tear apart this Wolfmans!

oh and the segue from Wolfman's into Walk Away is butter and deserves the ->

Yeah he throws in some quick notes in Funky Bitch....I literally  :-o almost dropped my coffee. Shit was hot. First set down, set 2 up next. This summer tour is gonna be  :crazy: :music: :music: :music: :music:

Like I said last night RJ should quit Phish more often.   :music: :music: :banana: :banana:
Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Undermind on May 28, 2011, 09:25:16 AM
review from phishhook:

QuoteThe bands sound. I don't know if the band changed some of their gear for this tour or if it was Bethel's great sound system, but the band sounded loud and in your face tonight. Trey has gone for a crunchier tone and left the whale call whammy at home, while Mike seems to be using a larger speaker cabinet than in the past (very deep pulsating bass). Either way, when the first notes of tweezer started to open the show, the bass was pumping and all four members could be clearly heard in the mix. 
Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: sophist on May 28, 2011, 09:28:21 AM
Poor Heart is played well.  False start with Roses by Trey, but I don't give a shit about that.  Kind of funny to hear him scratch out six beats.  They sound good.  The compositions thus far are tight.  Vocally they don't sound any better.  Trey's voice is still scratchy and flat at times, i.e. this Roses is brutal from a singing standpoint.  However, I never got into to Phish for their singing ability, so it's not something I'd linger over or be frustrated with. 

I'd also like to add that the SBD's have a better tone to them.  They've improved a lot for 3.0. 
Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: McGrupp on May 28, 2011, 09:31:29 AM
I love how you can hear Trey saying "What the fuck..." right before they bust into Carini  :hereitisyousentimentalbastard
Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: sophist on May 28, 2011, 09:35:29 AM
Huge fucking lift off with Funky Bitch.  Trey's got his comping skills back too.  I'm loving how he's hitting inverted chords and jumping octaves at times with this.  Mike sounds fantastic.  Master and commander on the fret board too.  He's dominating this shit.  Fish is on point as well.  Nailing all the accents from Trey's playing.  Monster fills.  God Damn Boys.  I'm finally stoked about seeing these guys. 
Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: thatfargone on May 28, 2011, 09:36:43 AM
Thanks to Starbucks internet, I should actually hear this today.

Better be worth the drive, people in Waynesboro suck.
Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: McGrupp on May 28, 2011, 09:39:35 AM
Quote from: thatfargone on May 28, 2011, 09:36:43 AM
Thanks to Starbucks internet, I should actually hear this today.

Better be worth the drive, people in Waynesboro suck.

www.whitewhine.com

:wink:
Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: sophist on May 28, 2011, 09:39:43 AM
Quote from: thatfargone on May 28, 2011, 09:36:43 AM
Thanks to Starbucks internet, I should actually hear this today.

Better be worth the drive, people in Waynesboro suck.
I think you're going to hate to love this, or maybe love to hate this.   :hereitisyousentimentalbastard
Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Undermind on May 28, 2011, 09:40:13 AM
Quote from: sophist on May 28, 2011, 09:35:29 AM
Huge fucking lift off with Funky Bitch.  Trey's got his comping skills back too.  I'm loving how he's hitting inverted chords and jumping octaves at times with this.  Mike sounds fantastic.  Master and commander on the fret board too.  He's dominating this shit.  Fish is on point as well.  Nailing all the accents from Trey's playing.  Monster fills.  God Damn Boys.  I'm finally stoked about seeing these guys.

Wow!  Glad you're enjoying it as much as me.  I'm even listening to Bouncing and I'm not high!   :beers:
Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Undermind on May 28, 2011, 09:41:15 AM
This 1st set will get more playback then most 3.0 1st sets for me.  Right up there with Manchester.
Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: sophist on May 28, 2011, 09:42:22 AM
WOW.  Trey brings down the RAWK in Wolfman's for a second peak.  This is Phish.  He's playing with me.  This sounded like shit last night on the stream.  Huge difference. 
Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: rowjimmy on May 28, 2011, 09:43:31 AM
Shows not bad. Strong for 3.0. For some reason I don't have the Tweezer on my iPod at this field hockey tournament so I can't comment on that.

The segue into walk away is not what I would call butter but I've certaintly heard worse. It does fail to trainwreck and Walk Away has some entertaining tension peaking at the end.

The end of Boogie On > Waves is the most interesting part of the show so far. Waves just started so I'm gonna dig on this shade and wifi that I found while I wait for Althea's next game and I'll get back to you in a bit.
Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: sophist on May 28, 2011, 09:44:59 AM
-> into Walk Away is slop in my book.  Miscue and out of time playing by Trey.  First big flub of the set.  I'd shrug it off if I had been there. 
Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Undermind on May 28, 2011, 09:46:58 AM
Quote from: sophist on May 28, 2011, 09:44:59 AM
-> into Walk Away is slop in my book.  Miscue and out of time playing by Trey.  First big flub of the set.  I'd shrug it off if I had been there.

I'll have to listen to it again later.
Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: thatfargone on May 28, 2011, 09:51:01 AM
Quote from: McGrupp on May 28, 2011, 09:39:35 AM
Quote from: thatfargone on May 28, 2011, 09:36:43 AM
Thanks to Starbucks internet, I should actually hear this today.

Better be worth the drive, people in Waynesboro suck.

www.whitewhine.com

:wink:
:-D

Sophist, I'm sure I'll have fun listening. But either way, I feel I should see for myself...just gonna go tues and wed for good measure. :wink:
Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: sophist on May 28, 2011, 09:52:01 AM
Trey peaks too soon in Walk Away.  No biggie though.  Again, he sounds fantastic.  His tone is miles better than NYE.  Again, remember, I thought 1/1 was a steaming pile of horse shit.  This is good to me.  Nothing mind melting or epic.  It's them being Phish though. 
Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: sophist on May 28, 2011, 09:52:58 AM
Quote from: thatfargone on May 28, 2011, 09:51:01 AM
Quote from: McGrupp on May 28, 2011, 09:39:35 AM
Quote from: thatfargone on May 28, 2011, 09:36:43 AM
Thanks to Starbucks internet, I should actually hear this today.

Better be worth the drive, people in Waynesboro suck.

www.whitewhine.com

:wink:
:-D

Sophist, I'm sure I'll have fun listening. But either way, I feel I should see for myself...just gonna go tues and wed for good measure. :wink:
oh I know, I'm just being my dickish self as always.  You should know by now, if I'm not breathing is the only time I'm not talking shit. 
Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: thatfargone on May 28, 2011, 09:57:03 AM
Quote from: sophist on May 28, 2011, 09:52:58 AM
Quote from: thatfargone on May 28, 2011, 09:51:01 AM
Quote from: McGrupp on May 28, 2011, 09:39:35 AM
Quote from: thatfargone on May 28, 2011, 09:36:43 AM
Thanks to Starbucks internet, I should actually hear this today.

Better be worth the drive, people in Waynesboro suck.

www.whitewhine.com

:wink:
:-D

Sophist, I'm sure I'll have fun listening. But either way, I feel I should see for myself...just gonna go tues and wed for good measure. :wink:
oh I know, I'm just being my dickish self as always.  You should know by now, if I'm not breathing is the only time I'm not talking shit.

Oh, I know....and its totally your disturbing lack of hate thats got me going to PNC now.  :-P 
Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: sophist on May 28, 2011, 10:07:45 AM
FPFR is on point with Stash.  They fail to capitalize on the multiple peaks.  Bouncin' sounds good.  Overall, the set is solid so far.  The peak of it might of came too early. 
Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: sophist on May 28, 2011, 10:09:25 AM
KDF is cheese dick arena rock.  Remember how people used to hate Piper but love the piper jams?  I feel this way with this version of KDF. 
Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Undermind on May 28, 2011, 10:31:21 AM
Some seriously in depth anamylsis of last night's show.  Check out "The Skinny" section!
http://www.glidemagazine.com/hiddentrack/phish-bethel-night-one-setlist-and-skinny/
Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Multibeast12 on May 28, 2011, 10:32:09 AM
This show was awesome.  Just WOW. My buddy whos first time seeing Phish was just blown away. will post more but have to go to work, and i'd like to say one thing. 1 hour traffic jam and then i cut ahead because i found a shorter way, but seriously. FUCK YOU Bethel woods and your One fucking exit. Incredible venue in every way besides getting out. not really looking forward to that Traffic again on SUnday
Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Undermind on May 28, 2011, 10:33:45 AM
Quote from: Multibeast12 on May 28, 2011, 10:32:09 AM
This show was awesome.  Just WOW. My buddy whos first time seeing Phish was just blown away. will post more but have to go to work, and i'd like to say one thing. 1 hour traffic jam and then i cut ahead because i found a shorter way, but seriously. FUCK YOU Bethel woods and your One fucking exit. Incredible venue in every way besides getting out. not really looking forward to that Traffic again on SUnday

Glad you enjoyed the show!  You should try getting out of Great Woods dude!
Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: barnesy305 on May 28, 2011, 10:36:28 AM
Quote from: Undermind on May 28, 2011, 10:31:21 AM
Some seriously in depth anamylsis of last night's show.  Check out "The Skinny" section!
http://www.glidemagazine.com/hiddentrack/phish-bethel-night-one-setlist-and-skinny/

Ha! Wardrobe.
Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: sophist on May 28, 2011, 11:04:22 AM
I'm digging this Waves. 
Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: zackonthetrain on May 28, 2011, 11:24:07 AM
Quote from: sophist on May 28, 2011, 09:52:01 AM
  This is good to me.  Nothing mind melting or epic.  It's them being Phish though.

agreed, to me the show was just a big dance party and real fun, phish being phish.


Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: mistuhfry on May 28, 2011, 11:27:13 AM
I'm sure YEMBlog or Mr. Miner or Charlie Dirksen has already noted this,  but why is there no official Streets of Cairo tease listed for the Wolfman's Brother on the initial post of the setlist?  At least I think that its Streets of Cairo... Am I mistaken or does the theme appear around 5:25 or so? 
Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: ph92 on May 28, 2011, 11:45:18 AM
Quote from: sophist on May 28, 2011, 10:09:25 AM
KDF is cheese dick arena rock.  Remember how people used to hate Piper but love the piper jams?  I feel this way with this version of KDF. 
That is how I feel about a few of the Joy songs. Ocelot and BDNL fuck the composed section, the jam is fun though.

So far though I am on wolfmans (which is pretty avg, but still rocks) I thought that tweezer was pretty tight too. Sounds like some amount of practice went down
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: PIE-GUY on May 28, 2011, 12:09:06 PM
A few words about the venue. Its beautiful. Getting in and parking seemed to be really easy. Getting out was quite the opposite.

Walking around is easy and honestly the place is beautiful. I can't say that enough. Once you pass through the gates you still have a bit of a walk til you're at the top of amphitheater lawn. The view seems to be great from everywhere. I was in the pav right behind the tapers, but I wandered a bit and it really seems like the lawn is as good as a lawn gets... Though it was wet. Bathroom lines were long but move fast. Lots of beer tents, so those lines were never too long. Prices were steep, though. $12 for big bombers of Stella, Magic Hat, Becks, etc.  Buds were obv cheaper. Bottled water was $4 or $6 depending on the size, but each tent only had one size or the other. Everybody working there was no kidding really friendly.

Bottom line: one of the best sheds I've ever been to, and I've been to a lot. 15,000 people all with great sight lines and sound? Yup.  Bucolic Catskills setting? Yup.  History? Yup! 

sounds was nearly perfect. Kuroda has added a few more lights behind the band and has definitely come up with some new looks with the existing lights.
Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: fauxpaxfauxreal on May 28, 2011, 12:18:59 PM
Quote from: mistuhfry on May 28, 2011, 11:27:13 AM
I'm sure YEMBlog or Mr. Miner or Charlie Dirksen has already noted this,  but why is there no official Streets of Cairo tease listed for the Wolfman's Brother on the initial post of the setlist?  At least I think that its Streets of Cairo... Am I mistaken or does the theme appear around 5:25 or so?

Probably because it happens so often.

Same thing happened with "Can't you hear me knocking" teases in Weekapaug's in '97.

I agree with what you are saying about the Tweezer, Sophist. The band came out blazing in it, which is why I was so confused with the "abort mission" segue into MFMF

I'm really happy that it sounds like Trey isn't off the wagon.  I was kind of worried about that with the rumors swirling around that this summer is teh last tour evar.

Glad you like the venue Pie-Guy, from pictures it looks like an "East Coast Deer Creek".
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: PIE-GUY on May 28, 2011, 12:35:04 PM
Blows deer creek out oh the water.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: mbw on May 28, 2011, 01:55:01 PM
finally listening.  gotta hand it to that tweezer, pretty intense.  they sound good.
Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: JPhishman on May 28, 2011, 02:09:19 PM
Quote from: sophist on May 28, 2011, 09:35:29 AM
Huge fucking lift off with Funky Bitch.  Trey's got his comping skills back too.  I'm loving how he's hitting inverted chords and jumping octaves at times with this.  Mike sounds fantastic.  Master and commander on the fret board too.  He's dominating this shit.  Fish is on point as well.  Nailing all the accents from Trey's playing.  Monster fills.  God Damn Boys.  I'm finally stoked about seeing these guys.

Shit yeah.. that's what I like to hear from Ramzilla. DL'ing the show now.

:music:
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: aphineday on May 28, 2011, 02:12:49 PM
Quote from: JPhishman on May 28, 2011, 02:09:19 PM
Quote from: sophist on May 28, 2011, 09:35:29 AM
Huge fucking lift off with Funky Bitch.  Trey's got his comping skills back too.  I'm loving how he's hitting inverted chords and jumping octaves at times with this.  Mike sounds fantastic.  Master and commander on the fret board too.  He's dominating this shit.  Fish is on point as well.  Nailing all the accents from Trey's playing.  Monster fills.  God Damn Boys.  I'm finally stoked about seeing these guys.

Shit yeah.. that's what I like to hear from Ramzilla. DL'ing the show now.

:music:
Yeah, I was just thinking the same thing. Reading some of these early reviews has me pretty stoked for my run today. I'm saving this show for the run. I'll report back with my feelings fwiw.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: roggae on May 28, 2011, 04:22:46 PM
I really dug the waves>caspian. Some 98 ambient set jamming right there.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: fauxpaxfauxreal on May 28, 2011, 04:24:16 PM
Quote from: roggae on May 28, 2011, 04:22:46 PM
I really dug the waves>caspian. Some 98 ambient set jamming right there.

It was cool.  Trey sounded like ABSOLUTE BUTTHOLE during the Caspian, however, which was a buzz kill.
Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: G. Augusto on May 28, 2011, 04:32:15 PM
Quote from: mattstick on May 28, 2011, 07:48:34 AM
3.0

Pretty much.
That Boogie On "jam" was not good.  :lol:
Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: rowjimmy on May 28, 2011, 04:51:48 PM
Quote from: G. Augusto on May 28, 2011, 04:32:15 PM
Quote from: mattstick on May 28, 2011, 07:48:34 AM
3.0

Pretty much.
That Boogie On "jam" was not good.  :lol:

Interesting though... I was on the edge of my seat to hear who would totally stop playing first.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: PhishPhan on May 28, 2011, 04:57:48 PM
These segues are pretty sick.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: emay on May 28, 2011, 05:57:24 PM
This kdf is pretty good, I dont see whats so different about this one then the rest. Theres just typical 3.0 staccato noodling by trey over a staggered fishman beat....nothing too special. Treys improvements can def be heard on Funky Bitch, wolfmans, parts of Crosseyed, and Waves though.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: phil on May 28, 2011, 06:13:32 PM
Relistening to Funky Bitch for the third time today. It appears someone gave Trey some old recordings to listen to, he certainly seems like he (at least partially) remembers how he used to rip it up on this song.
Title: Re: 5/27/2011 Bethel Center for the Arts, Bethel NY: Post Show Discussion and Review
Post by: roggae on May 28, 2011, 06:15:57 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on May 28, 2011, 04:51:48 PM
Quote from: G. Augusto on May 28, 2011, 04:32:15 PM
Quote from: mattstick on May 28, 2011, 07:48:34 AM
3.0

Pretty much.
That Boogie On "jam" was not good.  :lol:

Interesting though... I was on the edge of my seat to hear who would totally stop playing first.

that's pretty much how i felt.  do you think they were thinking they were really "out there?"
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: cactusfan on May 28, 2011, 06:30:08 PM
Tweezer sounds good until they get bored of it. oh well. it almost took off somewhere.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: roggae on May 28, 2011, 06:31:02 PM
the wolfman's was pretty good too.  i think it was a solid show. 
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: fauxpaxfauxreal on May 28, 2011, 06:33:33 PM
The soundboard sounds incredible for this show.  Waves is really good.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: mbw on May 28, 2011, 06:35:52 PM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on May 28, 2011, 06:33:33 PM
The soundboard sounds incredible for this show.  Waves is really good.

qft.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: fauxpaxfauxreal on May 28, 2011, 06:37:06 PM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on May 28, 2011, 06:35:52 PM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on May 28, 2011, 06:33:33 PM
The soundboard sounds incredible for this show.  Waves is really good.

qft.

It might be the best sounding board I've ever heard.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: mistercharlie on May 28, 2011, 06:41:52 PM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on May 28, 2011, 06:35:52 PM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on May 28, 2011, 06:33:33 PM
The soundboard sounds incredible for this show.  Waves is really good.

qft.

I'd have to agree also.


but WTF to this Boogie On jam?!?!
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: fauxpaxfauxreal on May 28, 2011, 06:45:37 PM
Quote from: mistercharlie on May 28, 2011, 06:41:52 PM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on May 28, 2011, 06:35:52 PM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on May 28, 2011, 06:33:33 PM
The soundboard sounds incredible for this show.  Waves is really good.

qft.

I'd have to agree also.


but WTF to this Boogie On jam?!?!

It's effing sweet.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: susep on May 28, 2011, 06:47:20 PM
although only 9 min +, I too like this Tweezer, great way to kick off a show and tour, not a bad version.  I liked FB also but more specifically I like Trey's guitar playing from this show.  I could hear him going back to his blues runs a little bit more, not staying locked in the box per se but little flourishes that set up his overall game/sound.  Mike solid as usual, really had some nice lines in Tweezer, almost '98 sounding.  The Wolfman's caught my ear, Page raging it hard.  KDF was good, not as exploratory as I was hoping but certainly better then straight ahead readings.  When Boogie On kicked in I was thinking "ugh" but this version jammed hard w/ a nice, spacey segue into Waves.  Waves was cool w/ nice interplay during the outro jam, this music reminded me of the 23Nov.1994 Tweezer.  The rest of the set was mostly meh, I liked that they chose C&P but overall it was a fairly un-eventful.

Overall I kinda like this show, certainly more then the last show I heard(1Jan.2011). 
My highlights:  Tweezer, KDF, Boogie On > Waves.   
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: mistercharlie on May 28, 2011, 06:48:11 PM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on May 28, 2011, 06:45:37 PM
Quote from: mistercharlie on May 28, 2011, 06:41:52 PM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on May 28, 2011, 06:35:52 PM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on May 28, 2011, 06:33:33 PM
The soundboard sounds incredible for this show.  Waves is really good.

qft.

I'd have to agree also.


but WTF to this Boogie On jam?!?!

It's effing sweet.

It was pretty awesome until it came crashing to a dragged-out halt.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: fauxpaxfauxreal on May 28, 2011, 06:50:20 PM
Quote from: mistercharlie on May 28, 2011, 06:48:11 PM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on May 28, 2011, 06:45:37 PM
Quote from: mistercharlie on May 28, 2011, 06:41:52 PM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on May 28, 2011, 06:35:52 PM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on May 28, 2011, 06:33:33 PM
The soundboard sounds incredible for this show.  Waves is really good.

qft.

I'd have to agree also.


but WTF to this Boogie On jam?!?!

It's effing sweet.

It was pretty awesome until it came crashing to a dragged-out halt.

Disagree.  The dragged-out halt is straight up psychedelic fun.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: mistercharlie on May 28, 2011, 06:53:03 PM
This Waves is pretty sweet though.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: fauxpaxfauxreal on May 28, 2011, 06:54:26 PM
Fishman forgets to sing "Facts or getting the best of them"  "Facts are nothing in the face of him"

F- fish.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: aphineday on May 28, 2011, 06:57:22 PM
I listened to most of Set I on my run today. I'm only going to comment on the key stuffs for me here.

1. Tweezer: Ummmm, yes. It's not a '95 Tweezer, but that's not what I was looking for. A Set I Tweezer to start a run/show?!?! Yes. When Fishman hit those toms at the beginning, I was literally jumping while I was running. It is maybe the most jacked I've been to hear a show in 3.0. The playing was good, and it's very obvious to me that Trey has been practicing. With only one show to base this on, he is definitely winning the "most improved" award right now (not that he didn't have a huge deficit to make up). I was REALLY bummed they didn't take this out, almost a let down going into MFMF. It's been said that this was a "rock 'n roll" Tweezer. I completely agree, totally set a tone here.

2. Wolfman's Brother: Definitely good playing. Nothing ground breaking, but I really liked how Trey was starting to explore the band's sound again, even a little bit. It started with Tweezer, seeing glimpses that MAYBE Trey is starting to realize that Phish is not TAB, and it became even more obvious during the Wolfmans. I think his tone has changed for the better big time, and the sounds he was getting here really sounded good. This definitely sounds better than most Wolfmans of 3.0 IMHO. Keeping my interest high, if I was there, I would have been very happy.

3.>Walk Away: Really? People were happy with this segue? Man, that really says a lot about the quality of 3.0 segues in itself, because (and I need to listen to this again to be completely sure) I was specifically listening for this > because of the hype. Certainly didn't blow my skirt up, but at the same time I guess it wasn't horrible?

4. Stash: This is Phish. The first build/peak section here is "it", definitely. If they can get back to this with any type of regularity, I will be crawling out of my skin. Trey actually lets his guard down, and explores with the guys. They totally hit a stride, and allowed it to build, however briefly. I wish every song sounded like this. I like 3.0 for what it is, but I would never have expected to hear this. It was unforeseen, and I'm fucking stoked. Say what you will, this was hot.

That's as far as I've made it, but I'm excited to hear the 2nd set that I somewhat heard through the sharts last night. If I was at Bethel, I would be so incredibly excited for the next two nights. Actually, I'm at home and excited.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: shamwow on May 28, 2011, 07:05:36 PM
Having quite a bit of FOMO with my whole crew/phamily rage-in the pav. but :roll:they are having fun.  Gave a quick listen to the first set doing some yard work, in the first min. of Carini now.    LOVED how they cam out swinging in the Tweezer composed sec. was strong then fizzeled. Really alot of energy thru most of the set....Stash kind of sucked.......KDF was steller really promising.....really......Bold As love was strong as well. Overall good...I've seen and heard worse tour openers!  One more thing SBD sound great.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: roggae on May 28, 2011, 07:13:52 PM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on May 28, 2011, 06:50:20 PM
Quote from: mistercharlie on May 28, 2011, 06:48:11 PM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on May 28, 2011, 06:45:37 PM
Quote from: mistercharlie on May 28, 2011, 06:41:52 PM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on May 28, 2011, 06:35:52 PM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on May 28, 2011, 06:33:33 PM
The soundboard sounds incredible for this show.  Waves is really good.

qft.

I'd have to agree also.


but WTF to this Boogie On jam?!?!

It's effing sweet.

It was pretty awesome until it came crashing to a dragged-out halt.

Disagree.  The dragged-out halt is straight up psychedelic fun.

i can go either way.  when i was listening to the stream it was cool.  listening back i'm not sure how i feel about it.

this waves jam though is pure 98-99 phish to me.  i kept thinking they were going to play something for the siket disc.  reassuring to say the least.  this jams reminds me that WE ALL can get OUT THERE.  i was floating listening to this.  literally...
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: mistercharlie on May 28, 2011, 07:15:32 PM
Quote from: roggae on May 28, 2011, 07:13:52 PM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on May 28, 2011, 06:50:20 PM
Quote from: mistercharlie on May 28, 2011, 06:48:11 PM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on May 28, 2011, 06:45:37 PM
Quote from: mistercharlie on May 28, 2011, 06:41:52 PM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on May 28, 2011, 06:35:52 PM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on May 28, 2011, 06:33:33 PM
The soundboard sounds incredible for this show.  Waves is really good.

qft.

I'd have to agree also.


but WTF to this Boogie On jam?!?!

It's effing sweet.

It was pretty awesome until it came crashing to a dragged-out halt.

Disagree.  The dragged-out halt is straight up psychedelic fun.

i ca n go either way.  when i was listening to the stream it was cool.  listening back i'm not sure how i feel about it.

I was really digging it until the 'slowdown'.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: fauxpaxfauxreal on May 28, 2011, 07:16:15 PM
Quote from: mistercharlie on May 28, 2011, 07:15:32 PM
Quote from: roggae on May 28, 2011, 07:13:52 PM
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The soundboard sounds incredible for this show.  Waves is really good.

qft.

I'd have to agree also.


but WTF to this Boogie On jam?!?!

It's effing sweet.

It was pretty awesome until it came crashing to a dragged-out halt.

Disagree.  The dragged-out halt is straight up psychedelic fun.

i ca n go either way.  when i was listening to the stream it was cool.  listening back i'm not sure how i feel about it.

I was really digging it until the 'slowdown'.

The slow down is when I start to dig it...differ'nt strokes.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: mistercharlie on May 28, 2011, 07:18:54 PM
However, the slowdown in C&P at about 9min.  :-o

This is some serious phish right here.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: ytowndan on May 28, 2011, 07:19:41 PM
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Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on May 28, 2011, 06:33:33 PM
The soundboard sounds incredible for this show.  Waves is really good.

qft.

I'd have to agree also.


but WTF to this Boogie On jam?!?!

It's effing sweet.

It was pretty awesome until it came crashing to a dragged-out halt.

Disagree.  The dragged-out halt is straight up psychedelic fun.

i ca n go either way.  when i was listening to the stream it was cool.  listening back i'm not sure how i feel about it.

I was really digging it until the 'slowdown'.

The slow down is when I start to dig it...differ'nt strokes.

I liked what Mike was doing in the last half-minute or so towards the end.   
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: cactusfan on May 28, 2011, 07:19:55 PM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on May 28, 2011, 06:54:26 PM
Fishman forgets to sing "Facts or getting the best of them"  "Facts are nothing in the face of him"

F- fish.

by the by, the actual lyrics of the song are "Facts are getting the best of them, facts are nothing on the face of things."
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: roggae on May 28, 2011, 07:20:32 PM
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Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on May 28, 2011, 06:33:33 PM
The soundboard sounds incredible for this show.  Waves is really good.

qft.

I'd have to agree also.


but WTF to this Boogie On jam?!?!

It's effing sweet.

It was pretty awesome until it came crashing to a dragged-out halt.

Disagree.  The dragged-out halt is straight up psychedelic fun.

i ca n go either way.  when i was listening to the stream it was cool.  listening back i'm not sure how i feel about it.

I was really digging it until the 'slowdown'.

The slow down is when I start to dig it...differ'nt strokes.

the slowdown was the cool trick of the jam.  it worked in the moment for me.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: fauxpaxfauxreal on May 28, 2011, 07:21:23 PM
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Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on May 28, 2011, 06:33:33 PM
The soundboard sounds incredible for this show.  Waves is really good.

qft.

I'd have to agree also.


but WTF to this Boogie On jam?!?!

It's effing sweet.

It was pretty awesome until it came crashing to a dragged-out halt.

Disagree.  The dragged-out halt is straight up psychedelic fun.

i ca n go either way.  when i was listening to the stream it was cool.  listening back i'm not sure how i feel about it.

I was really digging it until the 'slowdown'.

The slow down is when I start to dig it...differ'nt strokes.

I liked what Mike was doing in the last half-minute or so towards the end.

I was torn on that.  I did but I didn't like what he was doing.  I liked it because it kept trey from going into NICU.  I didn't because I don't like mike to overpower the jams that much.

I much prefered the "slowdown" to that.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Multibeast12 on May 28, 2011, 07:55:35 PM
OKay, Havent heard much praise of this C&P. I haven't listened back to the show. But i remember being there and just holy shit the Crosseyed was insane. Just holy cow it was nuts. But will have to relisten.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: thatfargone on May 28, 2011, 08:56:19 PM
The slowdown was straight slop.  They saved it with psychedelic fun.

Impressive opener.  They need to keep it up or this is just a good 3.0 show...not the beginning of anything.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: ph92 on May 28, 2011, 09:57:22 PM
Quote from: Multibeast12 on May 28, 2011, 07:55:35 PM
OKay, Havent heard much praise of this C&P. I haven't listened back to the show. But i remember being there and just holy shit the Crosseyed was insane. Just holy cow it was nuts. But will have to relisten.
I thought it was pretty sweet.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: fauxpaxfauxreal on May 29, 2011, 12:33:41 AM
http://www.livephish.com/phish/video.asp

You're welcome.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Undermind on May 29, 2011, 12:38:45 AM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on May 29, 2011, 12:33:41 AM
http://www.livephish.com/phish/video.asp

You're welcome.
and thank you!
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Gumbo72203 on May 29, 2011, 07:47:50 AM
many people's reviews here have me exceedingly stoked to listen, namely Faux and Roggae's descriptions of the Boogie On and Waves weirdness.


And, umm, I'm way not up on all Phish shit right now, but someone better explain the things I'm reading about this being the last Phish tour ever......
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Gumbo72203 on May 29, 2011, 08:31:55 AM
Listening now.....

A)  Tweezer sounds sprightly!!!!  Theres something extra spicey or kicking in the jumpiness and liveliness.  And Trey's scratchity reggae fills during the verses are cool.  And the way he pulls back for the 2nd verse and leaves a silent hole, allowing Mike to show up, is great.  Sounds like something happened around 3:00 with Trey...  bandaid over what would have been a glaring flub?  hmmm

B) Fish's drums SOUND great on this SB.  Especially his hi-hats.   tssss tsssss  tssss-p  tsss-p!



On Tweezer break jam now.....   typical Page overdriven clav stuff; TONS of open space though.  Wtf is with this post-Ebeneezer though; Fish doesn't hit a cymbal really....   but does well on the return to the Tweezer theme.  Trey goofs the start of the jam, but WHOAHH PAGE!!!!!!!  PIANO THEME-ING!!!!!  YEAHHH   OMG TREY!!!!!!  That upwards run!!!!!   

Is it me, or is Page playing really 95-ish on this?  Lots of half-step atonal dissonant anticipation playing.  OMG PAGE!!!!!!!  6:27!!  that 2-note descending phrase thing!!!!!!!!!   


Trey sounds good at 7:20, bringing back Page's theme from the piano.  Okay, a little soon for the rawk-splooge, there, Trey....  but eh, oh well.  3.0 lickz abound here, but HOLY SHIT 7:57->onward GREAT thematic Trey playing!!!!!   OMG this is fucking great!!!!!!  Absolutely what I predicted!!!!!


Okay, Trey is missing some serious peak opportunities at the end here, around 8:50, and the last one at 9 minutes is kind of off the mark a bit... hmm


MFMF - Trey sounds pretty decent here; a lot of the chords here make me always think someone is flubbing something.  Okay, theres a Trey flub.... but its held together pretty well.  The band still sounds sprightly and eager, Fishman is having a ball.  love his playing on this.  I say that MFMF's opening segment is one of Phish's most under-rated composed sections of music, along with TMWSIY.  Okay Trey seriously goofed this one with the lyrics.  He's doing some cool stuff with this mic-stand-slide section. 

Overall, MFMF wasn't as terribly great as it could have been.  its placement bodes well, though.  2nd song of tour is a good.


HOly shit wtf Trey with Poor Heart?  Ouch.  His playing during the song, though, is pretty good.  Another good sign in song-selection.  I'm really liking the extra crispyness in the SBD, especially with Fish's drums and ride cymbal.  Overall, well played, fun, nothing outrageous. 

Roses:  sounds good so far.  Interesting crowd-reaction after "land of the brave and free"... wasn't expecting that.  I'm feeling the constriction, though, of these standard-issue songs with zero improv or loose-ability-ness to them.  Its making me anxious to get to Funky Bitch.  But Trey's solo is decent in Roses, and Page's background keyboards sound great, a really neat hammond/Rhodes sort of sound; not quite sure exactly what it is.  Seems like Trey got lost in listening to it too, haha, with this flub, because it happened EXACTLY at the same moment where I got lost in Page's keys, losing my focus and attention on the rest of the band. 

Funky Bitch: combo sounded absolutely pre-planned.  Trey sounds GREAT on the beginning, both in his playing and his tone.  WHOAH, wtf!!! TREY!!!!!!  those chords!!!!  his comping during the first verse was AWESOME, and again in the 2nd verse, the thing he's playing at like 1:25 or whatever; I don't know if he normally does that, but its something that I think I would've noticed.  Page is pretty raging on his solo, and I love his piano addition!!!!  Hammond and Piano rage!!!!  Trey matching Mike's voice is pretty cool.  Something about Trey's guitar sounds....  better, now.  Less of the weird PH/3.0 grating awkwardness.  It has a warmer mix in the rest of the band.  His playing is pretty good too, lots of cool ideas.  The peak-rage at 5:27 is pretty neat.  Nice, well-played version. 

Wolfmans:  Trey's weird warble thing at the beginning was cool.  Mike's bass sounds awesome in this.  The whole band has a really patient and like....  stoic feeling, somehow.  Its hard to explain.  I'm gonna sit back and listen to this now

I'll be back with some hyperbolically verbose gushings about the rest of the show later
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Gumbo72203 on May 29, 2011, 08:55:15 AM
WAHHH  OMG TREY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!    PAGE!!!!!!!!!!!   AHJFGPOIEHFPOIHJW!@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!P@EJQRFEGPOJ@!P!!!!!

UCKFFFUCK@!!!~!    WALK AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!    AHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!   I NEED A BIGGER FONT TO EMPHASIZE MY HOLY_FUCKNESS!!!!!!!

Ahhh THE TUBE DRUMbEAT!!!!!!  FISHMAN!!!!!  TRAY PEAK!!!!!!  YEAHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!    omg that was fucking incrawesomble!!!
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: UncleEbinezer on May 29, 2011, 09:22:34 AM
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on May 29, 2011, 08:55:15 AM
AHJFGPOIEHFPOIHJW!@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!P@EJQRFEGPOJ@!P!!!!!

I couldn't agree more.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Gumbo72203 on May 29, 2011, 09:31:35 AM
OMGGG  KILL DEVIL FALLSSS!!!!!!  YESSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The build up for the first peak in Stash was really great, too, but they didn't maximize the full potential of that one, and the ending was a little rushed.

BUT HOLY SHIT THIS KDF!!!!!!!!! OMG!!!!!!!!!!!  Page-led piano thomping jammm!!!!!!!!  GLORY!!!!!!!!!   The spaces they settle into in the jam are just so....  perfect.  Its PERFECT airy Phish.  It gets a little disjointed when Trey goes all 3.0-lickz on it around 11 minutes but holy shit this is fucking awesome.  The whammy pedal expedition part of it kind of ruins the flow and vibe.....

this was way cool because there was no distinct peak.  Trey tried to rawk peak it, but his fluid cool walk-up tension runs didn't end up the way I think he meant them to, back around 12 minutes or so.  but omg the jam space in between in the beginning....ugh!!!!!!!!  i'm listening to that again right now because fuck, it was great. 

And the thing that I especially like about this jam is that it shows the return of the forcefully-propelled, non-peaking jams of 99/00, like the way Piper would just be a big continuous ball of energy, rather than a tension/release peak solo type jam.  Like, it was intense, and moving, and with tons of inertial momentum and intent, but without a Mikes Song type jam shred bit. 


Imagine when they get this type of concentration and focus down in a Piper or Number Line, or even a Gumbo, Limb, Birds, or getting it to the point where Trey can do it while soloing, ala a return to the Fall '99 Halley's mold (10/8/99 and 12/7/99).
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: rowjimmy on May 29, 2011, 09:33:20 AM
Quote from: UncleEbinezer on May 29, 2011, 09:22:34 AM
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on May 29, 2011, 08:55:15 AM
AHJFGPOIEHFPOIHJW!@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!P@EJQRFEGPOJ@!P!!!!!

I couldn't agree more.

Then you guys are both way off base.

How could you possibly say: "EHFPOIHJW!@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" about this show?

jeez.
:roll:
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: aphineday on May 29, 2011, 10:35:25 AM
Even the Possum sounds better than most I've I heard in 3.0 from a Trey standpoint anyway. It's not the 90's clearly, but shit is much better in  my book.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Gumbo72203 on May 29, 2011, 06:02:11 PM
i'm loving the 12/31/96 Caspian-start of this Caspian jam.  Page is owning.  Ahhh goofed 3.0 lickz...thanks Trey.  nevermind
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: blatboom on May 29, 2011, 11:42:53 PM
am I crazy or did Gumbo totally gloss over the > into Waves?
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Play_It_Leo on May 30, 2011, 12:07:34 AM
Interesting jam on Boogie. I'll call it cool-ly weird, which is one of the things I like about :phish: I definitely dug the Waves jam and a pretty smooth > Caspian. Nice tour opener so far.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: blatboom on May 30, 2011, 12:11:25 AM
that wind down out of Boogie On is some seriously trippy shit. and I think Waves was the perfect choice out of it and loved that jam too
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: WhatstheUse? on May 30, 2011, 04:53:24 PM
Hot opener.

KDF and Boogie On' > Waves was freakin' fantastic.  I absolutely loved that Waves.

Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: khalpin on May 30, 2011, 07:32:05 PM
I noticed that in between Walk Away and Stash, they do a little Fish (Schindleria Praematurus) tease.  First Trey, then Fishman jumps in.   :clap:
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: G. Augusto on May 30, 2011, 08:03:26 PM
Again...that "jam" out of Boogie is hot GARB.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: fauxpaxfauxreal on May 30, 2011, 08:05:16 PM
Quote from: G. Augusto on May 30, 2011, 08:03:26 PM
Again...that "jam" out of Boogie is hot GARB.

Sorry you don't like psychedelia.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: G. Augusto on May 30, 2011, 08:07:56 PM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on May 30, 2011, 08:05:16 PM
Quote from: G. Augusto on May 30, 2011, 08:03:26 PM
Again...that "jam" out of Boogie is hot GARB.

Sorry you don't like psychedelia.

I'd rather listen to every GD version of "Space" before that.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: fauxpaxfauxreal on May 30, 2011, 08:09:03 PM
Quote from: G. Augusto on May 30, 2011, 08:07:56 PM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on May 30, 2011, 08:05:16 PM
Quote from: G. Augusto on May 30, 2011, 08:03:26 PM
Again...that "jam" out of Boogie is hot GARB.

Sorry you don't like psychedelia.

I'd rather listen to every GD version of "Space" before that.

But have you listened to it on acid???!?!?
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: PIE-GUY on May 30, 2011, 08:21:20 PM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on May 30, 2011, 08:09:03 PM
Quote from: G. Augusto on May 30, 2011, 08:07:56 PM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on May 30, 2011, 08:05:16 PM
Quote from: G. Augusto on May 30, 2011, 08:03:26 PM
Again...that "jam" out of Boogie is hot GARB.

Sorry you don't like psychedelia.

I'd rather listen to every GD version of "Space" before that.

But have you listened to it on acid???!?!?

Or drunk and spinning in the aisles?
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Superfreakie on May 30, 2011, 11:14:43 PM
Quote from: PIE-GUY on May 30, 2011, 08:21:20 PM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on May 30, 2011, 08:09:03 PM
Quote from: G. Augusto on May 30, 2011, 08:07:56 PM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on May 30, 2011, 08:05:16 PM
Quote from: G. Augusto on May 30, 2011, 08:03:26 PM
Again...that "jam" out of Boogie is hot GARB.

Sorry you don't like psychedelia.

I'd rather listen to every GD version of "Space" before that.

But have you listened to it on acid???!?!?

Or drunk and spinning in the aisles?


I find it ironic that the suggested way to really dig sober Trey is to be drunk or high.   :hereitisyousentimentalbastard
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Gumbo72203 on May 30, 2011, 11:26:12 PM
Space was good before Midi and Dan Healy.  Thats what I'm sayin.



And this show is like, fucking nuts-raging giraffe-uppercutting-ly good.  I still can't believe the shit they pulled this show; its just, like... so exactly perfectly like what it had to have ever possibly been.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: sumodie on May 30, 2011, 11:37:24 PM
5.27 was amazing, and then 5.28 happened. Twas an excellent show though with some huge peaks

Waves was spectacular!
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Wolfmansbrother on May 31, 2011, 01:05:06 AM
I'm not sure why, but the lick that Trey plays from 4:02 to 4:08 in this Carini gives me goosebumps..you know when he slides up the fret board and does that serious 'fuck you i'm playing my guitar' riff...i dunno it's great shit...trey is playing really dark and awesome in this jam!
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: PIE-GUY on May 31, 2011, 09:14:26 AM
back at home (work sucks) and finally listening to these shows starting from the beginning.

First thought: Can we please talk about Page's solo in Funky Bitch? Love that he stays on the organ but moves his other hand to the piano to bang on some greatness!

Not that Trey's solo sucks in this Funky Bitch... dude's kinda back, no?
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: aphineday on May 31, 2011, 09:51:14 AM
Quote from: PIE-GUY on May 31, 2011, 09:14:26 AM
back at home (work sucks) and finally listening to these shows starting from the beginning.

First thought: Can we please talk about Page's solo in Funky Bitch? Love that he stays on the organ but moves his other hand to the piano to bang on some greatness!

Not that Trey's solo sucks in this Funky Bitch... dude's kinda back, no?
Even after listening to 5/29 (which wasn't nearly as bad as I thought), he still gets my vote for MVP of the Bethel run just because of how much he's improved.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Undermind on May 31, 2011, 10:37:29 AM
Quote from: PIE-GUY on May 31, 2011, 09:14:26 AM
back at home (work sucks) and finally listening to these shows starting from the beginning.

First thought: Can we please talk about Page's solo in Funky Bitch? Love that he stays on the organ but moves his other hand to the piano to bang on some greatness!

Not that Trey's solo sucks in this Funky Bitch... dude's kinda back, no?

we talked about the different layers he was adding to this Bitch somewhere, maybe the right now I'm listening to thread?
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: mattstick on May 31, 2011, 01:10:52 PM

Clapping during Page's Coil solo is not cool.

But Page did a nice job mixing things up, getting them to stop.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Multibeast12 on May 31, 2011, 01:13:26 PM
Quote from: khalpin on May 30, 2011, 07:32:05 PM
I noticed that in between Walk Away and Stash, they do a little Fish (Schindleria Praematurus) tease.  First Trey, then Fishman jumps in.   :clap:
I heard that in the crowd and commented to all the people around me. But they just looked at me like i was crazy. Never listened to Fragile i guess.

Also i love how before Carini you just hear Trey go..."fuck it" and he just launches into the opening chords. awesome awesome show.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: fauxpaxfauxreal on May 31, 2011, 01:22:48 PM
Quote from: mattstick on May 31, 2011, 01:10:52 PM

Clapping during Page's Coil solo is not cool.

But Page did a nice job mixing things up, getting them to stop.

It sounds good.  And page did not sound like he "mixed it up" to get them to stop.  I think that you just perceived that because that's what you wanted to happen.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: mattstick on May 31, 2011, 01:25:38 PM

He played with the beat for awhile, then played around it and people stopped.  I didn't perceive anything.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: fauxpaxfauxreal on May 31, 2011, 01:26:31 PM
Quote from: mattstick on May 31, 2011, 01:25:38 PM

He played with the beat for awhile, then played around it and people stopped.  I didn't perceive anything.

You perceived that he stopped playing with the beat in an attempt to stop the clapping.  That is not what I think occured.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: mattstick on May 31, 2011, 01:35:49 PM

What's your point here?  Just trying to be prickly?

You think Page likes playing along with clapping to a simple beat during that solo?
Do you think Keith Jarret's solo piano concerts would have been better with 10,000 clapping idiots?

Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Hicks on May 31, 2011, 01:37:27 PM
Quote from: mattstick on May 31, 2011, 01:35:49 PM
Do you think Keith Jarret's solo piano concerts would have been better with 10,000 clapping idiots?

LOL
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: runawayjimbo on May 31, 2011, 01:39:40 PM
Just catching up on these shows now that vacation's over and I was a little underwhelmed.

I was kind of annoyed at Tweezer right out of the gate with Trey's muted scracthy thing (sorry for the technical jargon) during the main riff. I don't recall where - Telluride maybe? - but he's done it enough recently that I actually said "This again?" on the train this morning. Once I let it go, I found the jam entertaining enough but certainly would have like to have seen it extended a bit.

Wolfman's has become the quintessential 3.0 song for me: if I listened to 1 a tour, I'd really dig it. But since it's being played every 3-4 shows, they all kind of blend together. 3.0 funk -> pseudo-spacey jam, lather, rinse, repeat. You'll know what I mean after they play it tonight. And the segue to Walk Away was shaky at best.

I agree with faux completely on the Stash: it had a nice peak but I felt pretty blueballed. To make matters worse, I thought it would be a good idea to benchmark this version against any '95 Stash (iTunes randomly selected 06-24). Please do NOT do this exercise if you want to enjoy Stash for the rest of the summer.

It wasn't all bad. I thorouhgly enjoyed Funky Bitch and I dug Waves coming out of the Boogie On weirdness. And Page saved Coil (as he so often does) with one of the more original solos I can remember. I also agree with mattstick:  it sounded to me like he head faked like he was coming to a close to shake off the clappers and then kept it rolling for another minute or so. In the moment, I have no problem with people clapping and have been known to join in myself, but on tape it can get old pretty quick.

Overall, it was a nice opener but still a standard 3.0 show for me: I would have had fun if I was there, but instead I listened to it at home and won't go back to much if any of it any time soon.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: PIE-GUY on May 31, 2011, 01:41:01 PM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on May 31, 2011, 01:26:31 PM
Quote from: mattstick on May 31, 2011, 01:25:38 PM

He played with the beat for awhile, then played around it and people stopped.  I didn't perceive anything.

You perceived that he stopped playing with the beat in an attempt to stop the clapping.  That is not what I think occured.

Gotta agree with Matt on this one... he definitely changes it up to stop the clapping, but not until after he's indulged the clapping for a spell.

And, while the clapping gets annoying at times especially if it lasts too long, I think Page actually appreciates it. I mean, you clearly have everyone there eating out of your hands when spontaneous clapping happens like that.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: fauxpaxfauxreal on May 31, 2011, 01:45:20 PM
Quote from: mattstick on May 31, 2011, 01:35:49 PM

What's your point here?  Just trying to be prickly?

You think Page likes playing along with clapping to a simple beat during that solo?
Do you think Keith Jarret's solo piano concerts would have been better with 10,000 clapping idiots?

Yes, I think that Page likes it when people are pumped by what he is playing and gets enthusiastic about it.

I'm not sure what Keith Jarret has to do with it, we're talking about Page at a Phish concert, not Keith Jarret in a concert hall.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: mattstick on May 31, 2011, 01:47:46 PM

It all goes back to the lack of respect for the music in the crowd.  That never happened before because people were listening and paying attention.  I believe it takes away from what Page is trying to do, it's suppose to be quiet and serene.  You want to clap?  Clap during Contact.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Undermind on May 31, 2011, 01:54:41 PM
Quote from: mattstick on May 31, 2011, 01:47:46 PM

It all goes back to the lack of respect for the music in the crowd.  That never happened before because people were listening and paying attention.  I believe it takes away from what Page is trying to do, it's suppose to be quiet and serene.  You want to clap?  Clap during Contact.

zactly!
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: fauxpaxfauxreal on May 31, 2011, 01:57:29 PM
Quote from: mattstick on May 31, 2011, 01:47:46 PM

It all goes back to the lack of respect for the music in the crowd.  That never happened before because people were listening and paying attention.  I believe it takes away from what Page is trying to do, it's suppose to be quiet and serene.  You want to clap?  Clap during Contact.

People clapped during quiet sections of Reba in 94-95 as well.  Clapping with enthusiasm to show that you enjoy what they're playing is far from disrespectful.

I think you're putting yourself in a position to judge the crowd from a performers perspective that you simply have no right to be in.

If Page or anyone dislikes the clapping, they have ample opportunity to say as much, as they have about dodging glowsticks, intrusive fans, etc.

With Phish's crowd, you have to pick your battles, imo.  I'm sorry you didn't enjoy the clapping, but I thought it was a cool, tender and thoughtful moment.

I do agree that 3.0 crowds are notoriously loud at all times during the show.  It seems like every single time signature and key change during every song gets rediculous amounts of applause.  3.0 crowds remind me of 90's dead crowds in this way.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: mattstick on May 31, 2011, 02:05:22 PM

It is my belief that if Page was given the choice of the crowd clapping or not clapping - he would probably not care, or choose not clapping.  But this is just my opinion.  He certainly gets enough gratitude from the screaming fans when he finishes.

I'm so glad you dragged this conversation into semantics.

Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: rowjimmy on May 31, 2011, 02:13:40 PM
Quote from: mattstick on May 31, 2011, 01:10:52 PM
Clapping during Page's Coil solo is not cool.

I'd wear this shirt.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: fauxpaxfauxreal on May 31, 2011, 02:14:51 PM
Happy to oblige!   8-)
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: WhatstheUse? on May 31, 2011, 02:14:55 PM
I thought Page's Coil solo was extra beautiful.  I enjoyed how he brought in a few random chord progressions towards the end of the solo that brought him away from the Coil sound.  Akmost thought he was going to bring in Loving Cup at one point....
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: mattstick on May 31, 2011, 02:15:47 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on May 31, 2011, 02:13:40 PM
Quote from: mattstick on May 31, 2011, 01:10:52 PM
Clapping during Page's Coil solo is not cool.

I'd wear this shirt.

And the back could read...

Do you think Keith Jarret's solo piano concerts would have been better with 10,000 clapping idiots?
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: fauxpaxfauxreal on May 31, 2011, 02:16:10 PM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on May 31, 2011, 02:14:55 PM
I thought Page's Coil solo was extra beautiful.  I enjoyed how he brought in a few random chord progressions towards the end of the solo that brought him away from the Coil sound.  Akmost thought he was going to bring in Loving Cup....

I too thought his solo started to sound like he was going to play an Elton John song or a Stones song (such as Loving Cup) as the song ended.  I feel like (but I might be wrong) that the clapping brought this extra melodic component out in his solo.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: PIE-GUY on May 31, 2011, 02:22:48 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on May 31, 2011, 02:13:40 PM
Quote from: mattstick on May 31, 2011, 01:10:52 PM
Clapping during Page's Coil solo is not cool.

I'd wear this shirt.

Friends don't let friends shout "Hood."

I have never clapped during Stash... never shouted Hood... Never clapped in unison at a Phish show... That said, I really don't let this kinda thing bother me. It's part of the deal. Some people were probably annoyed that they had to get "around" my fat aisle-dancing gut to get to the pisser. Oh well.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: WhatstheUse? on May 31, 2011, 02:25:05 PM
complaining about clapping is just plain silly.

People clapped during the quiet parts of Reba and Runaway Jim in 95 too ya know...
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: fauxpaxfauxreal on May 31, 2011, 02:27:22 PM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on May 31, 2011, 02:25:05 PM
complaining about clapping is just plain silly.

People clapped during the quiet parts of Reba and Runaway Jim in 95 too ya know...

And it sounded good then, too, most of the time.  Kind of like the clapping is an integral part of the opening to YEM 12/31/95 and leads to a blistering trey solo.

And people bitched about it then too, just as Mattstick is doing now, which is dumb.  You can't stop other people from enjoying the show how they want to.  It's impossible.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: mattstick on May 31, 2011, 02:30:03 PM
It's less annoying during Jim and Reba.

It all goes back to the lack of respect for the band at the shows, I feel like 2/3 of the people at the show aren't listening to the music - they seem more interested in cheering/clapping/throwing glowsticks, etc.

Each night someone tapped me on the shoulder and asked me to pickup and hand them a glowstick that was at my feet.  I think the look I gave them basically told them to fuck off, I wasn't going to pick up trash so they could throw it.

Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Hicks on May 31, 2011, 02:32:17 PM
At least the quiet parts of Jim and Reba have a drumbeat to clap along to, that makes a huge difference IMO.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: rowjimmy on May 31, 2011, 02:35:58 PM
Quote from: Hicks on May 31, 2011, 02:32:17 PM
At least the quiet parts of Jim and Reba have a drumbeat to clap along to, that makes a huge difference IMO.

Page obviously needed a beat to play along with; he was just meandering there by himself.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: fauxpaxfauxreal on May 31, 2011, 02:37:14 PM
Quote from: Hicks on May 31, 2011, 02:32:17 PM
At least the quiet parts of Jim and Reba have a drumbeat to clap along to, that makes a huge difference IMO.

The solo had a definite steady beat at that point, and I think the clapping sounds great and makes it even cooler.

Matt, how is reacting to the music in an enthusiastic manner in any way "disrespectful"?  This is a rock concert at a summer shed.  This isn't a Symphonette at the Lincoln Center.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: mattstick on May 31, 2011, 02:40:12 PM

Again with the semantics?

Maybe you do talk too much.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: McGrupp on May 31, 2011, 02:40:34 PM
Guys. Some people were clapping. Good or bad - get the fuck over it.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: mattstick on May 31, 2011, 02:41:58 PM

Isn't that what we do here, discuss Phish concerts?
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: fauxpaxfauxreal on May 31, 2011, 02:43:58 PM
Quote from: mattstick on May 31, 2011, 02:40:12 PM

Again with the semantics?

Maybe you do talk too much.

That's not semantics.  You are saying that it is disrespectful for them to clap.  I asked you how.  You compared Pages solo in a summer shed to a Keith Jarret performance.  I contrasted Page's solo with a Symphonette in the Lincoln Center.  How am I arguing semantics in this example?  I'm disagreeing with what you are saying and intending, not with how you are saying it.

Quote from: McGrupp on May 31, 2011, 02:40:34 PM
Guys. Some people were clapping. Good or bad - get the fuck over it.

BUT I LIKE THE CLAPPING!!!   :-D
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: McGrupp on May 31, 2011, 02:45:17 PM
Quote from: mattstick on May 31, 2011, 02:41:58 PM

Isn't that what we do here, discuss Phish concerts?

You guys have gone back and forth I don't even know how many times, splitting hairs on whether or not it was a bad thing that people clapped during a 60 second portion of 1 song in 1 show.

I know we're all about analyzing shows in the nerdiest way possible, but come on, tell me that's not ridiculous.

stfu and move on, dudes.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: fauxpaxfauxreal on May 31, 2011, 02:46:00 PM
Quote from: McGrupp on May 31, 2011, 02:45:17 PM
Quote from: mattstick on May 31, 2011, 02:41:58 PM

Isn't that what we do here, discuss Phish concerts?
Dammit, there goes Phish, playing a Phish song again. 
:-P
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: runawayjimbo on May 31, 2011, 02:52:33 PM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on May 31, 2011, 02:16:10 PM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on May 31, 2011, 02:14:55 PM
I thought Page's Coil solo was extra beautiful.  I enjoyed how he brought in a few random chord progressions towards the end of the solo that brought him away from the Coil sound.  Akmost thought he was going to bring in Loving Cup....

I too thought his solo started to sound like he was going to play an Elton John song or a Stones song (such as Loving Cup) as the song ended.  I feel like (but I might be wrong) that the clapping brought this extra melodic component out in his solo.

I swear I hear Billy Joel for about 15 sec right before the clapping (~7:40 on the taylorc source). You know, "[riff] whoa [riff] whoa [riff] whoa-ohh-ohh-ohho-oa"
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: mattstick on May 31, 2011, 02:55:12 PM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on May 31, 2011, 02:43:58 PM

That's not semantics.  You are saying that it is disrespectful for them to clap.  I asked you how.  You compared Pages solo in a summer shed to a Keith Jarret performance.  I contrasted Page's solo with a Symphonette in the Lincoln Center.  How am I arguing semantics in this example?  I'm disagreeing with what you are saying and intending, not with how you are saying it.


I think the crowd is disrespectful, and certainly cheering isn't a disrespectful act - but the fact that people aren't listening, they send a text message every 20 seconds, they throw glowsticks, they just cheer for no reason.

Perhaps you disagree, again that's your opinion.  Why can't people be quiet and let Page solo like it's the Cologne Opera House?  Wouldn't that be respectful?  And since they aren't, couldn't it be the opposite?

Quote from: McGrupp on May 31, 2011, 02:45:17 PM
stfu and move on, dudes.

Feel free not to read it...
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: fauxpaxfauxreal on May 31, 2011, 02:56:11 PM
I'll have to relisten Runaway Jimbo, but that could be true.

I thought that whole segment sounded very "songy" and quite familiar, which was why I was pleased with the clapping.

If there was no discernible beat at this moment and page was being abstract, I'd agree.  But this solo was way more Billy Joel/Elton John-esque and much less Keith Jarret-esque.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: McGrupp on May 31, 2011, 03:01:14 PM
Quote from: mattstick on May 31, 2011, 02:55:12 PM
Quote from: McGrupp on May 31, 2011, 02:45:17 PM
stfu and move on, dudes.

Feel free not to read it...

Just because I think its stupid, doesn't mean I won't read it and make fun of you.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: fauxpaxfauxreal on May 31, 2011, 03:02:48 PM
Quote from: McGrupp on May 31, 2011, 03:01:14 PM
Quote from: mattstick on May 31, 2011, 02:55:12 PM
Quote from: McGrupp on May 31, 2011, 02:45:17 PM
stfu and move on, dudes.

Feel free not to read it...

Just because I think its stupid, doesn't mean I won't read it and make fun of you.

DON'T TELL ME NOT TO POST, YOU DON'T POST!
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: VDB on May 31, 2011, 03:06:09 PM
Let's point out the audience's unfailing ability to fall terribly off-beat before long, which of course ends up sounding bad. On this basis alone, rhythmic clapping should be avoided.

I'm not a clapper and could do without it, but I ain't gonna lose sleep over it either.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: mattstick on May 31, 2011, 03:08:15 PM

I was up all last night just fuming about how people were clapping.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: VDB on May 31, 2011, 03:12:00 PM
Quote from: mattstick on May 31, 2011, 03:08:15 PM

I was up all last night just fuming about how people were clapping.

Quote from: mattstick on May 31, 2011, 02:40:12 PM

Again with the semantics?

:police:
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: fauxpaxfauxreal on May 31, 2011, 03:14:06 PM
Quote from: V00D00BR3W on May 31, 2011, 03:12:00 PM
Quote from: mattstick on May 31, 2011, 03:08:15 PM

I was up all last night just fuming about how people were clapping.

Quote from: mattstick on May 31, 2011, 02:40:12 PM

Again with the semantics?
:police:
Quote from: McGrupp on May 31, 2011, 02:45:17 PM
stfu and move on, dudes.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: mattstick on May 31, 2011, 03:18:43 PM

Confusing semantics with sarcasm is equally ironic, no?
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: McGrupp on May 31, 2011, 03:19:36 PM
Quote from: mattstick on May 31, 2011, 03:18:43 PM
Confusing semantics with sarcasm is equally ironic, no?

Quote from: mattstick on May 31, 2011, 02:40:12 PM
Again with the semantics?
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: fauxpaxfauxreal on May 31, 2011, 03:22:52 PM
I think it is funny that I'm listening to Wilco live from Sasquatch and he says during kidsmoke:

Quote from: TweedyThe people that are clapping are the people that we like.  The people that aren't clapping are the people that are more like me.  Because I wouldn't be clapping, because I would think that I'm too cool to clap.  And I would be wrong.  Don't be like me.  Be like the people that we like.  Now it might sound that I don't like myself which is awful.  I do.  Just not the part of me that won't clap.  So let's clap.  Let's clap together people.  Do you think you guys can handle it?  Can you guys keep the beat for us?  We don't need any drums, sorry Glen, these people have got it.

I think it sums up how I feel about the coil solo.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: VDB on May 31, 2011, 03:24:56 PM
There's cheeky, playful sarcasm, and there's indignant, shut-your-fucking-face sarcasm. Trying to discern which is which on an Internet message board is always a fun* exercise.






* cheeky, playful sarcasm
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: mattstick on May 31, 2011, 03:26:53 PM

If my comment was really perceived as "shut-your-fucking face" sarcasm, try the Google Sarcasm tool next time.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Hicks on May 31, 2011, 03:27:19 PM
se·man·tics:  the study of meanings:

a : the historical and psychological study and the classification of changes in the signification of words or forms viewed as factors in linguistic development
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: fauxpaxfauxreal on May 31, 2011, 03:28:29 PM
Quote from: Hicks on May 31, 2011, 03:27:19 PM
se·man·tics:  the study of meanings:

a : the historical and psychological study and the classification of changes in the signification of words or forms viewed as factors in linguistic development

So a comment can sarcastically argue semantics?
:-o

( :-D)
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: VDB on May 31, 2011, 03:33:50 PM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on May 31, 2011, 03:28:29 PM
Quote from: Hicks on May 31, 2011, 03:27:19 PM
se·man·tics:  the study of meanings:

a : the historical and psychological study and the classification of changes in the signification of words or forms viewed as factors in linguistic development

So a comment can sarcastically argue semantics?
:-o

( :-D)

As has been ably demonstrated over the past several posts.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: mattstick on May 31, 2011, 03:37:01 PM
Unfortunately.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: roggae on May 31, 2011, 03:45:36 PM
Quote from: mattstick on May 31, 2011, 03:08:15 PM

I was up all last night just fuming about how people were clapping.

X2
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: G. Augusto on May 31, 2011, 04:03:41 PM
One reason why Radiohead shows are still cool is that the audience is ultra respectful of the band and their song's dynamics.
People pay money to hear Thom Yorke sing to them and they STFU.
In a small theater or the same exact summer sheds that Phish play every time around, the audience takes it in quietly.
I see what Matt is saying and see what McGrupp is saying.
Truth is, these awesome Phish moments are few-and-far-between these days, so don't be a jackass when one is happening.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: fauxpaxfauxreal on May 31, 2011, 04:05:46 PM
Quote from: G. Augusto on May 31, 2011, 04:03:41 PM
One reason why Radiohead shows are still cool is that the audience is ultra respectful of the band and their song's dynamics.
People pay money to hear Thom Yorke sing to them and they STFU.
In a small theater or the same exact summer sheds that Phish play every time around, the audience takes it in quietly.
I see what Matt is saying and see what McGrupp is saying.
Truth is, these awesome Phish moments are few-and-far-between these days, so don't be a jackass when one is happening.

I agree with this.

What I think I am disagreeing with is that the clapping is an example of this.

The clapping was on time and in sync with what was going on.


Quote from: TweedyThe people that are clapping are the people that we like.  The people that aren't clapping are the people that are more like me.  Because I wouldn't be clapping, because I would think that I'm too cool to clap.  And I would be wrong.  Don't be like me.  Be like the people that we like.  Now it might sound that I don't like myself which is awful.  I do.  Just not the part of me that won't clap.  So let's clap.  Let's clap together people.  Do you think you guys can handle it?  Can you guys keep the beat for us?  We don't need any drums, sorry Glen, these people have got it.

I think it sums up how I feel about the coil solo.

Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: roggae on May 31, 2011, 05:22:41 PM
I really think the LP releases sound great.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Bobafett on May 31, 2011, 05:44:52 PM
ahh.....Radiohead live.  better than any phish show i've attended.

on this debate topic, however, i am on the fence.  I understand and accept the fact that everyone else there paid the same ticket price as i did, and if they feel the fun needs to be expressed through clapping, hootin and hollerin, shark dancing, i have no right to impede on that.  I also have felt very pissy towards the drunk guys at a phil and friends show  yelling out "Party on your face, Phil!" after every song and sining every fucking word at the top of their lungs.  and as a "live-only" music listener, i hate chatter and clapping and bumping mics ending up on pulls.  But i am also the guy who thinks texting is for girls, but with our culture today, there is little i can do to change anything outside of myself.   :mrgreen:
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: G. Augusto on May 31, 2011, 05:48:50 PM
Quote from: Bobafett on May 31, 2011, 05:44:52 PMBut i am also the guy who thinks texting is for girls

Literally LOL'd!
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: phil on May 31, 2011, 06:18:44 PM
This discussion is silly.

People enjoy Phish in different ways, and some assholes are only there for the party or aren't very considerate of others. If you let them bring you down, you're doing it wrong.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: G. Augusto on May 31, 2011, 06:27:07 PM
Quote from: phil on May 31, 2011, 06:18:44 PM
This discussion is silly.

People enjoy Phish in different ways, and some assholes are only there for the party or aren't very considerate of others. If you let them bring you down, you're doing it wrong.

You must have done a lot of Phish correctly in your 21 years...of living.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: phil on May 31, 2011, 06:54:04 PM
Quote from: G. Augusto on May 31, 2011, 06:27:07 PM
Quote from: phil on May 31, 2011, 06:18:44 PM
This discussion is silly.

People enjoy Phish in different ways, and some assholes are only there for the party or aren't very considerate of others. If you let them bring you down, you're doing it wrong.

You must have done a lot of Phish correctly in your 21 years...of living.

If by doing Phish correctly you mean not letting some doofus that likes to clap hinder my enjoyment of a Phish show, then yes.

Sorry for being born after you were.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: G. Augusto on May 31, 2011, 06:57:33 PM
Quote from: phil on May 31, 2011, 06:54:04 PM
Quote from: G. Augusto on May 31, 2011, 06:27:07 PM
Quote from: phil on May 31, 2011, 06:18:44 PM
This discussion is silly.

People enjoy Phish in different ways, and some assholes are only there for the party or aren't very considerate of others. If you let them bring you down, you're doing it wrong.

You must have done a lot of Phish correctly in your 21 years...of living.

If by doing Phish correctly you mean not letting some doofus that likes to clap hinder my enjoyment of a Phish show, then yes.

Sorry for being born after you were.

Apology accepted.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: phil on May 31, 2011, 07:01:56 PM
Quote from: G. Augusto on May 31, 2011, 06:57:33 PM
Quote from: phil on May 31, 2011, 06:54:04 PM
Quote from: G. Augusto on May 31, 2011, 06:27:07 PM
Quote from: phil on May 31, 2011, 06:18:44 PM
This discussion is silly.

People enjoy Phish in different ways, and some assholes are only there for the party or aren't very considerate of others. If you let them bring you down, you're doing it wrong.

You must have done a lot of Phish correctly in your 21 years...of living.

If by doing Phish correctly you mean not letting some doofus that likes to clap hinder my enjoyment of a Phish show, then yes.

Sorry for being born after you were.

Apology accepted.

Good-natured ribbing aside, I see where you're coming from. I've been that guy that gets pissed about the slimy wook crawling under my seat to get a glowstick. And then I decided I wasn't going to let them get in the way of me having a good time.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Superfreakie on May 31, 2011, 07:10:52 PM
I have said it several times, nothing like a punch in the face to set those around straight. Now, don't take me the wrong way all you pacifist hippies, I am not advocating wanton violence, simply the selective use of it. For example, should there be a group, pick the biggest, knock him the fuck out and then the rest will do your bidding. This act also permits you to claim his woman as your own, should you so desire of course.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Bobafett on May 31, 2011, 10:58:14 PM
Quote from: Superfreakie on May 31, 2011, 07:10:52 PM
I have said it several times, nothing like a punch in the face to set those around straight. Now, don't take me the wrong way all you pacifist hippies, I am not advocating wanton violence, simply the selective use of it. For example, should there be a group, pick the biggest, knock him the fuck out and then the rest will do your bidding. This act also permits you to claim his woman as your own, should you so desire of course.
you better thrust his bitch to your hilt.  while he is KO'd.  then jizz on his face.  and make her lick it off.  i hate those guys.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: cactusfan on June 01, 2011, 02:28:52 AM
this show is a good one. nice opener, phish.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: gainesvillegreen on June 01, 2011, 05:15:02 AM
Quote from: Bobafett on May 31, 2011, 10:58:14 PM
Quote from: Superfreakie on May 31, 2011, 07:10:52 PM
I have said it several times, nothing like a punch in the face to set those around straight. Now, don't take me the wrong way all you pacifist hippies, I am not advocating wanton violence, simply the selective use of it. For example, should there be a group, pick the biggest, knock him the fuck out and then the rest will do your bidding. This act also permits you to claim his woman as your own, should you so desire of course.
you better thrust his bitch to your hilt.  while he is KO'd.  then jizz on his face.  and make her lick it off.  i hate those guys.

D00d. That reads like a text message. You sure it's just for girls?
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: aphineday on June 01, 2011, 08:51:57 AM
Quote from: gainesvillegreen on June 01, 2011, 05:15:02 AM
Quote from: Bobafett on May 31, 2011, 10:58:14 PM
Quote from: Superfreakie on May 31, 2011, 07:10:52 PM
I have said it several times, nothing like a punch in the face to set those around straight. Now, don't take me the wrong way all you pacifist hippies, I am not advocating wanton violence, simply the selective use of it. For example, should there be a group, pick the biggest, knock him the fuck out and then the rest will do your bidding. This act also permits you to claim his woman as your own, should you so desire of course.
you better thrust his bitch to your hilt.  while he is KO'd.  then jizz on his face.  and make her lick it off.  i hate those guys.

D00d. That reads like a text message. You sure it's just for girls?
If you are at a Phish show, and you (even one time, for one second) think it would be a good idea to thrust his bitch to your hilt.  while he is KO'd.  then jizz on his face.  and make her lick it off., then you're doing it wrong.
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: UncleEbinezer on June 01, 2011, 10:35:56 AM
Going from this...
Quote from: Bobafett on May 31, 2011, 10:58:14 PM
Quote from: Superfreakie on May 31, 2011, 07:10:52 PM
I have said it several times, nothing like a punch in the face to set those around straight. Now, don't take me the wrong way all you pacifist hippies, I am not advocating wanton violence, simply the selective use of it. For example, should there be a group, pick the biggest, knock him the fuck out and then the rest will do your bidding. This act also permits you to claim his woman as your own, should you so desire of course.
you better thrust his bitch to your hilt.  while he is KO'd.  then jizz on his face.  and make her lick it off.  i hate those guys.

to this in this thread...
Quote from: cactusfan on June 01, 2011, 02:28:52 AM
this show is a good one. nice opener, phish.

cracks me the fuck up!   :hereitisyousentimentalbastard
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: emay on May 19, 2015, 01:22:17 PM
wow just went back and listened to the waves soundcheck from bethel for the first time in a while

great shit
sucks that the best jam of the summer was the soundcheck before tour started but damn ! Last 5-6 min is some great stuff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55plu-KYa5Y
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: gah on May 20, 2015, 11:54:52 AM
Haven't listened to this in a good while. Thanks for the reminder!
Title: Re: 05/27 - Bethel Center for the Arts - Bethel NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: sunrisevt on May 24, 2015, 10:22:33 AM
Quote from: gah on May 20, 2015, 11:54:52 AM
Haven't listened to this in a good while. Thanks for the reminder!

x2. I honestly wish there was video; I'd like to see them going way out like this without a crowd in the room.