12-29-2011
Madison Square Garden
New York, NY
Set 1: The Sloth, You Enjoy Myself, Back on the Train, The Moma Dance, Funky Bitch, Maze, Roses Are Free, Halley's Comet*, Run Like an Antelope
Set 2: Crosseyed & Painless > Simple -> Lifeboy^, Guyute, Mike's Song > Chalk Dust Torture ~> I Am Hydrogen > Weekapaug Groove, Show of Life, Character Zero
Encore: Loving Cup
* Streets of Cairo tease
^ Last played 12-30-2009 (86 shows)
Best Weekapaug in a long time.
Really nice playing throughout and great flow in both sets. Looking forward to giving this a relisten.
Quote from: Undermind on December 29, 2011, 11:40:51 PM
Best Weekapaug in a long time.
I'd put that YEM up against the last one at MSG, too.
Looks like we have another 3.0 show for the books :wink:
Quote from: runawayjimbo on December 29, 2011, 11:43:39 PM
Quote from: Undermind on December 29, 2011, 11:40:51 PM
Best Weekapaug in a long time.
I'd put that YEM up against the last one at MSG, too.
not hard to beat, imo. the manteca part from last years version was kinda cool, but other than that, it wasn't anything special.
now the version from msg '09 was sweeeet.
Quote from: Lifeboy on December 29, 2011, 11:48:00 PM
Quote from: runawayjimbo on December 29, 2011, 11:43:39 PM
Quote from: Undermind on December 29, 2011, 11:40:51 PM
Best Weekapaug in a long time.
I'd put that YEM up against the last one at MSG, too.
not hard to beat, imo. the manteca part from last years version was kinda cool, but other than that, it wasn't anything special.
now the version from msg '09 was sweeeet.
Oh yeah, forgot about last year. I meant the 12-04 version.
I have only one thing to say
PHISH IS FUCKING BACK
Someone needs to alert a mod. Brian's account has been hacked.
15 airplane bottles and a jbc. Fock yah
Weekapaug was sick.
Chalkdust into hydrogen? Slick.
Trey was on something tonight. He sure wasn't healthy and it was awesome.
Too bad the show ended at weekapaug. Post show music was a downer.
Weekapaug fuggin ripped.
It's up on LP
it sucks to see that YEM was the longest song of the night..... (not that I'm shocked or anything)
3.0'd
Quote from: PIE-GUY on December 30, 2011, 12:27:00 AM
Quote from: McGrupp on December 30, 2011, 12:19:26 AM
15 airplane bottles and a jbc. Fock yah
:clap:
True story. Homeboy was face deep in Wendy's when I found him today.
Now that's a phish show!
Mikes Groove was amazing
Im high!
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on December 30, 2011, 02:01:58 AM
Now that's a phish show!
Mikes Groove was amazing
Im high!
Yes!
Listening to this YEM on the live phish app right now. Not to bad, Page was tearing ass during the organ solo part.
Quote from: bvaz on December 30, 2011, 12:27:55 AM
Trey was on something tonight. He sure wasn't healthy and it was awesome.
We were kind of joking about that. He had that "disheveled look". I can't wait to hear that Mike's Groove again. Especially the week4paug.
So, having heard very little of this run(really just the cities) so far and basing this solely on what I'm reading from you all, it looks like Trey's playing has improved since the Summer. So what is it? We know they're not practicing. Would it be safe to say that playing that hipster "crap" has helped? :-)
Quote from: antelope19 on December 30, 2011, 10:08:22 AM
So, having heard very little of this run(really just the cities) so far and basing this solely on what I'm reading from you all, it looks like Trey's playing has improved since the Summer. So what is it? We know they're not practicing. Would it be safe to say that playing that hipster "crap" has helped? :-)
I think that's just sophist that super-hates on summer '11.
The mikes groove was worth the price of admission last night. I don't hesitate to call it a monster. Loads of fun last night with the Paug crew. Looking forward to doing it all again.
Sloppy, but they took some risks. The setlist seemed to be a bit of a throwdown - one for "the kids".
No need for Zero or Show of Life... Trey really has to re-learn how to end a show.
Quote from: mattstick on December 30, 2011, 10:26:22 AM
Sloppy, but they took some risks. The setlist seemed to be a bit of a throwdown - one for "the kids".
No need for Zero or Show of Life... Trey really has to re-learn how to end a show.
It's true. :|
Quote from: mattstick on December 30, 2011, 10:26:22 AM
Sloppy, but they took some risks. The setlist seemed to be a bit of a throwdown - one for "the kids".
No need for Zero or Show of Life... Trey really has to re-learn how to end a show.
I'm sure they talked about that during the encore break.
So far I like what I've heard.....some slop, but nothing too glaring....
Yup! This week4paug is just as good this morning as it was last night.
Quote from: UncleEbinezer on December 30, 2011, 10:54:10 AM
Yup! This week4paug is just as good this morning as it was last night.
sure is
Quote from: bvaz on December 30, 2011, 12:27:55 AM
Trey was on something tonight. He sure wasn't healthy and it was awesome.
Too bad the show ended at weekapaug. Post show music was a downer.
wow, really?
damn, does this mean i have to start listening to phish again?
i was sorta hoping he stayed sober so i had no reason to ever think they'd sound good again.
Quote from: VA $l!m on December 30, 2011, 11:08:51 AM
Quote from: bvaz on December 30, 2011, 12:27:55 AM
Trey was on something tonight. He sure wasn't healthy and it was awesome.
Too bad the show ended at weekapaug. Post show music was a downer.
wow, really?
damn, does this mean i have to start listening to phish again?
i was sorta hoping he stayed sober so i had no reason to ever think they'd sound good again.
not really but last night is worth a listen.
it's not epic or anything but it is enjoyable. there are some highlights but I think the difference is the lows seem to becoming fewer. show of life and zero were a buzz kill after the weekapaug but it was a good show up until that point. everything is still on a curve but I'm glad I saw last night.
Quote from: bvaz on December 30, 2011, 11:13:46 AM
Quote from: VA $l!m on December 30, 2011, 11:08:51 AM
Quote from: bvaz on December 30, 2011, 12:27:55 AM
Trey was on something tonight. He sure wasn't healthy and it was awesome.
Too bad the show ended at weekapaug. Post show music was a downer.
wow, really?
damn, does this mean i have to start listening to phish again?
i was sorta hoping he stayed sober so i had no reason to ever think they'd sound good again.
not really but last night is worth a listen.
it's not epic or anything but it is enjoyable. there are some highlights but I think the difference is the lows seem to becoming fewer. show of life and zero were a buzz kill after the weekapaug but it was a good show up until that point. everything is still on a curve but I'm glad I saw last night.
cool. my best friend that lives in NY still caught these first two shows. she seemed pleasantly surprised.
The Phish from Vermont
The Garden
12-29-2011
Set I
The Sloth- Excellent choice as opener. Sounds good.
YEM- Trey fucks up several parts of the arpeggio section in the intro. Very serene Nirvana section. Good job on the build up section. Verse sounds good. The jam section is solid. Nothing special. Out of the gate they sound good. Interplay remains tight. Some patience exhibited in this YEM. Good RAWK peak in the jam. Predictable though. So its kind of a turn off to me. Cool vocal jam. LOL at teasing Bohemian Rhapsody. Very cool.
BOTT- RAWK PEAKz. Not bad.
MOMA- RAWK PEAKz. Okay.
Bitch- Still RAWK PEAKING. Trey bringing the ego tonight
Maze- Kind of psychedelic. Solid version.
Roses- this one needs to come out of rotation. over played imo. And no jam- lame.
Halley's- Not bad. Trey struggles with the modulation section at the end.
Antelope- RAWK PEAKS. Almost no tension, but all shred. That'll work.
set break.
Smoke 'em if you got 'em.
Thought 12/28 was better. At least it had a few parts worthy of re-listening. Weekapaug was good but there wer zero risks taken inside of songs last nite besides trey forcing the hydrogen on fish even though he tried to fight it. Not that flubs matter too much to me but yem nirvana segment was badly botched as well as maze and guyute. Standard rockin 3.0 you had to be there to think it was sick type show.
Tonite will be the nite I'm sure.
This was a treat for me!
http://youtu.be/8ysYMqorEvA
Quote from: Undermind on December 30, 2011, 11:42:24 AM
This was a treat for me!
http://youtu.be/8ysYMqorEvA
that would normally be a song I would hate on in the middle of a set, but I have always liked it a lot and was very glad to see it last night.
Quote from: phg on December 30, 2011, 11:40:56 AM
Thought 12/28 was better. At least it had a few parts worthy of re-listening. Weekapaug was good but there wer zero risks taken inside of songs last nite besides trey forcing the hydrogen on fish even though he tried to fight it. Not that flubs matter too much to me but yem nirvana segment was badly botched as well as maze and guyute. Standard rockin 3.0 you had to be there to think it was sick type show.
Tonite will be the nite I'm sure.
I'm waiting for us to say "Last night WAS the night!"
tonight may be the paper tiger with Tela, Curtain, Ghost, Dinner and a Movie, etc etc...
I had a blast listening to the stream. I joined in after YEM so still need to give that a listen. Maze was rough on my end. Highlights for me were the Crosseyed > simple(too short)> lifeboy and the playfullness of the Mike's groove. I stopped watching for the Show of Life, Zero, CUP.
Quote from: phg on December 30, 2011, 11:40:56 AM
Thought 12/28 was better. At least it had a few parts worthy of re-listening. Weekapaug was good but there wer zero risks taken inside of songs last nite besides trey forcing the hydrogen on fish even though he tried to fight it. Not that flubs matter too much to me but yem nirvana segment was badly botched as well as maze and guyute. Standard rockin 3.0 you had to be there to think it was sick type show.
Tonite will be the nite I'm sure.
Different strokes, I guess. I thought last night buried 12-28 and I would put it on my short list of 3.0 shows that I enjoyed from top to bottom. You're right they didn't venture too far outside the songs, but I've come to expect that. To me, there was much more creativity and playfulness within the songs last night and they seemed more in sync than the first night. A lot (not all, but a lot) of Trey's runs and big bends were cleaner and as GG pointed out last night Page was much improved over the night before (see his Funky Bitch and Maze solos).
It might not have been 12-29-1994, but in the context of 3.0, that was a damn good show to me.
I think the debate of night one vs night two is basically going to come down to which setlist you like better. Both had solid playing (a friend suggested that the reason Trey's so on point is because he's really having to get his shit together for these orchestral shows coming up), both had some cool twists and turns, both featured some unusually good (for 3.0) improv (or so it seemed). For my money, I liked night one better but last night was a fucking blast as well. Trey looks like he's having a blast as well, and I think you can definitely hear it in their playing.
And how bout Page during maze? Fucking ON POINT.
Still chasing lifeboy!
Set II + encore - huge cup of meh for me.
12/28 was much, much better in my book. This was phoned in 3.0 in my book.
Quote from: sophist on December 30, 2011, 02:31:54 PM
Set II + encore - huge cup of meh for me.
12/28 was much, much better in my book. This was phoned in 3.0 in my book.
Did you forget to listen to the Mikes > Chalkdust > Hydrogen > Weekapaug?
Quote from: McGrupp on December 30, 2011, 03:09:52 PM
Quote from: sophist on December 30, 2011, 02:31:54 PM
Set II + encore - huge cup of meh for me.
12/28 was much, much better in my book. This was phoned in 3.0 in my book.
Did you forget to listen to the Mikes > Chalkdust > Hydrogen > Weekapaug?
I listened to it. It was garbage. The segue into Hydrogen is laughable. Mike, and Page are in C, Trey's in D. Horse force to the extreme. The Mike's is over before it even begins. The Chalkdust is good, but again, it gets aborted for Hydrogen. The Weekapaug is good. No doubt on that. But 7 minutes of good jamming in weekapaug doesn't save the set. How many times are they going to play Cross Eyed the same way? Very weak simple. Lifeboy is misplaced. Guyute is flubtastic. Show of Life is badly misplaced. And the Character Zero is RAWKtastic.
Not my cup of tea. It's what I hate about 3.0. Looks epcot on paper, but its a spiraling mess of forced pseudo-magic.
12/28 smokes it.
Well, I was there, and I enjoyed pretty much the whole show. Such is the conundrum of 3.0. But, I do agree, 12/28 is the better of the two.
Looking forward to a fun one tonight!
Quote from: McGrupp on December 30, 2011, 03:48:51 PM
Well, I was there, and I enjoyed pretty much the whole show. Such is the conundrum of 3.0. But, I do agree, 12/28 is the better of the two.
Looking forward to a fun one tonight!
Enjoy!
Still a lot on the table for you guys.
I really thought last night crushed night one.
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on December 30, 2011, 04:12:08 PM
I really thought last night crushed night one.
You were high, and one row behind fishman.
Makes sense to me.
Quote from: sophist on December 30, 2011, 03:43:35 PM
Quote from: McGrupp on December 30, 2011, 03:09:52 PM
Quote from: sophist on December 30, 2011, 02:31:54 PM
Set II + encore - huge cup of meh for me.
12/28 was much, much better in my book. This was phoned in 3.0 in my book.
Did you forget to listen to the Mikes > Chalkdust > Hydrogen > Weekapaug?
I listened to it. It was garbage. The segue into Hydrogen is laughable. Mike, and Page are in C, Trey's in D. Horse force to the extreme. The Mike's is over before it even begins. The Chalkdust is good, but again, it gets aborted for Hydrogen. The Weekapaug is good. No doubt on that. But 7 minutes of good jamming in weekapaug doesn't save the set. How many times are they going to play Cross Eyed the same way? Very weak simple. Lifeboy is misplaced. Guyute is flubtastic. Show of Life is badly misplaced. And the Character Zero is RAWKtastic.
Not my cup of tea. It's what I hate about 3.0. Looks epcot on paper, but its a spiraling mess of forced pseudo-magic.
12/28 smokes it.
Couldn't agree more on the transition to H2, I'm still tasting the vomit in my mouth from that one. But I dug the Mike's, liked the curveball with CDT, and the Paug was the shit. I also would have scrapped Guytue for an extra 10 mins of jamming for the C&P > Simple, there was a nice ambient groove building at the end of C&P. Loved the Lifeboy and the 3.0 fake out I could do without (although an extra 15 mis of show shouldn't bother anybody).
Overall, this show gets much higher relistenability scores from me. Save 90 secs on the Cities, the first set on the 28th might as well not have happened. The highlights in the second set on the 28th were higher, but on the whole, this show smokes it IMO.
This show reminds me of the first set of SBIX 3: it wasn't flawlessly executed, but it was more consistent and there was some risk taking even without breaking out of the structure of any song.For the first time in a while, I'm hopeful it can carry over (fuckin' jinx).
Listened to the Mike's Groove and YEM so far. Weekapaug was nice, good to see them giving Paug a chance to run. And I think I heard Trey teasing Alive Again during YEM.
Also, I kinda dug the hydrogen force. I thought it sounded pretty cool.
Quote from: mistercharlie on December 30, 2011, 04:57:07 PM
Listened to the Mike's Groove and YEM so far. Weekapaug was nice, good to see them giving Paug a chance to run. And I think I heard Trey teasing Alive Again during YEM.
Also, I kinda dug the hydrogen force. I thought it sounded pretty cool.
Do you have a timing on that Alive Again tease?
Quote from: gainesvillegreen on December 30, 2011, 05:06:08 PM
Quote from: mistercharlie on December 30, 2011, 04:57:07 PM
Listened to the Mike's Groove and YEM so far. Weekapaug was nice, good to see them giving Paug a chance to run. And I think I heard Trey teasing Alive Again during YEM.
Also, I kinda dug the hydrogen force. I thought it sounded pretty cool.
Do you have a timing on that Alive Again tease?
Right after Trey went all "tweedle whaaa dweeduh duh dweeduh duh whoomp".
Quote from: gainesvillegreen on December 30, 2011, 05:06:08 PM
Quote from: mistercharlie on December 30, 2011, 04:57:07 PM
Listened to the Mike's Groove and YEM so far. Weekapaug was nice, good to see them giving Paug a chance to run. And I think I heard Trey teasing Alive Again during YEM.
Also, I kinda dug the hydrogen force. I thought it sounded pretty cool.
Do you have a timing on that Alive Again tease?
I didn't hear that but I did pick up a brief Suskind Hotel tease from Mike about a minute into Antelope.
Quote from: runawayjimbo on December 30, 2011, 05:11:35 PM
Quote from: gainesvillegreen on December 30, 2011, 05:06:08 PM
Quote from: mistercharlie on December 30, 2011, 04:57:07 PM
Listened to the Mike's Groove and YEM so far. Weekapaug was nice, good to see them giving Paug a chance to run. And I think I heard Trey teasing Alive Again during YEM.
Also, I kinda dug the hydrogen force. I thought it sounded pretty cool.
Do you have a timing on that Alive Again tease?
I didn't hear that but I did pick up a brief Suskind Hotel tease from Mike about a minute into Antelope.
i heard that. it was right before trey was all like, "dee dee doooop deee doopa dooooo"
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on December 30, 2011, 05:26:59 PM
Quote from: runawayjimbo on December 30, 2011, 05:11:35 PM
Quote from: gainesvillegreen on December 30, 2011, 05:06:08 PM
Quote from: mistercharlie on December 30, 2011, 04:57:07 PM
Listened to the Mike's Groove and YEM so far. Weekapaug was nice, good to see them giving Paug a chance to run. And I think I heard Trey teasing Alive Again during YEM.
Also, I kinda dug the hydrogen force. I thought it sounded pretty cool.
Do you have a timing on that Alive Again tease?
I didn't hear that but I did pick up a brief Suskind Hotel tease from Mike about a minute into Antelope.
i heard that. it was right before trey was all like, "dee dee doooop deee doopa dooooo"
Exactly
Quote from: rowjimmy on December 30, 2011, 05:09:14 PM
Quote from: gainesvillegreen on December 30, 2011, 05:06:08 PM
Quote from: mistercharlie on December 30, 2011, 04:57:07 PM
Listened to the Mike's Groove and YEM so far. Weekapaug was nice, good to see them giving Paug a chance to run. And I think I heard Trey teasing Alive Again during YEM.
Also, I kinda dug the hydrogen force. I thought it sounded pretty cool.
Do you have a timing on that Alive Again tease?
Right after Trey went all "tweedle whaaa dweeduh duh dweeduh duh whoomp".
lol
The 3.0 train rolls on... :|
Quote from: mistercharlie on December 30, 2011, 04:57:07 PM
Also, I kinda dug the hydrogen force. I thought it sounded pretty cool.
It sounded good when Trey was incorporating the H2 melody in Chalkdust, then it kind of fell apart and they stumbled into H2 proper. Pretty much what's been happening more often than not when a great segue appears to be in the offing. Someone gets overly excited (usually Trey), someone gets spooked (usually Fishman) and we tumble into the next song.
Quote from: gainesvillegreen on December 30, 2011, 05:06:08 PM
Quote from: mistercharlie on December 30, 2011, 04:57:07 PM
Listened to the Mike's Groove and YEM so far. Weekapaug was nice, good to see them giving Paug a chance to run. And I think I heard Trey teasing Alive Again during YEM.
Also, I kinda dug the hydrogen force. I thought it sounded pretty cool.
Do you have a timing on that Alive Again tease?
Not off the top of my head. I was listening in the car so I didn't write it down.
Quote from: Augustus on December 30, 2011, 05:46:23 PM
The 3.0 train rolls on... :|
Sad but true. At least we can stay home and watch all the big shows from our couch with a real beer. Paying $15 to watch a show is sweetness.
Lol well I wouldn't say its sad phish is playing. Uic and dicks were awesome, and a long time coming. Can't expect to get in that groove rite away after 3 months....which is obviously part of the problem. How is it that Phil lesh is playing double the shows phish has the past 3 years.
Anyway that's another topic....last nite was def a set back and offered zero new music/new direction/interesting music. Just one nite though....its a lot easier to judge and be critical from a couch, I've found. Also makes missing the shows way easy to get over.
listening to YEM.... its... well, they're out of practice is all. And that kind of flubbing is okay with me. Part of Phish's appeal is the gall and aloof stoner-ism of them to book and sell out MSG for 4 straight nights, knowing that they have shit as hard as YEM to play, and then kind of just ignore it and get onstage and try to go for it. Its almost like they leave it up to the gods whether they'll nail it or not, and that kind of unknown suspense is EXACTLY what ALL of us are here for, to begin with. Yes, granted, a flawless performance would be fantastic. But they do so many other things with their music, and taking into account so many other factors, I can forgive it. I really don't care; i'm not going to let it wreck my enjoyment.
Although, in the haterz defense, this YEM *did* come quite perilously close to true-PH-fuck-up level with the pre-Nirvana ending, and just a lot of jagged botched chording. But jesus christ, they've got 100 songs to play this run, and they can't JUST concentrate on YEM.
PLUS, I guarantee that no matter how much they pratice it, getting out on-stage in a completely different environment with different mitigating factors and variables is going to render any practice worthless. Unless they practiced the song with tons of people around (ie: touring, which they haven't been doing lately).
OH MAN PAY JORGAN WUDMTF START!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HOLY FUCK!!! that was totally awesome. Really short organ/drums segment it seemed like.
I really like that they seem to sink deep right after Trey comes back in with guitar. OH MAN PAGE RHODES!!!!! YEAHHHH!!!!!
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on December 30, 2011, 07:48:13 PM
But jesus christ, they've got 100 songs to play this run, and they can't JUST concentrate on YEM.
I agree.
There are 99 other songs they need to half-ass.
They're only professional musicians, guys.
OMG THIS YEM IS AWESOME. Fucking from when Trey winds it up at 12:48 and then the fucking full-band rhythmic/thematic jamming afterwards...omg this is so good.
OMG THIS YEM JAMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the ending could have continued on for longer, felt it was prematurely wrapped up in that its energy limit hadn't been reached. But then it totally could have sinked into a SICK ambient-ish Type II groove before they brought the ending back with the Mike solo part.
Regardless of the flubby parts early on, this was fucking SICK. omg.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3V8sGPO9bE
omg onto the Mike's............. !!!!!!!!!!!!
best start to a Mike's jam since.....definitely pH, without a doubt. when Trey starts the slow trill thing... omg. OMG. love Trey's new major key solo lick he throws in around 5 mins, which first appeared in the start of the Cities jam on 12/28
HD video with Schoepps audio:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gybwQlHyMI
(http://cache.dealbreaker.com/uploads/2010/06/animated-siren-gif-animated-siren-gif-animated-siren-gif-drudge-report1.gif)
onto Maze.... totally thought they were gonna start playing The Curtain at like somewhere after the 4 min mark.
Theres some SERIOUSLY good shit in here. Man, if they were touring with this level of playfulness and looseness, fuckin a. Theres a lot of rust, but behind that rust, which is natural rust, which is an okay kind of rust, there lies a lot of fucking glowing positive gooey smirking. Like, they know.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/31/arts/music/phish-at-madison-square-garden-review.html
Quote from: mattstick on December 30, 2011, 09:55:47 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/31/arts/music/phish-at-madison-square-garden-review.html
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Along with "Lifeboy," there was an unexpected twist: "Chalk Dust Torture," a Phish staple that still delights disgruntled undergraduates, somehow evolved during the jam into the recognizable melody of "This Is Hydrogen," played considerably faster than usual. It was the kind of variation that makes Phish's fans take notice, though it wasn't exactly a grand innovation.
lol
Quote from: Lifeboy on December 30, 2011, 10:03:18 PM
Quote from: mattstick on December 30, 2011, 09:55:47 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/31/arts/music/phish-at-madison-square-garden-review.html
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Along with "Lifeboy," there was an unexpected twist: "Chalk Dust Torture," a Phish staple that still delights disgruntled undergraduates, somehow evolved during the jam into the recognizable melody of "This Is Hydrogen," played considerably faster than usual. It was the kind of variation that makes Phish's fans take notice, though it wasn't exactly a grand innovation.
lol
heh, sorta sad when a NYtimes reviewer considers somethin phish does not innovative... i mean, considering the frame of reference.
This was my favorite show of the run. I look forward to listening back.
took this mikes groove for a spin on my way to work.
i thought the mikes was great the decision to go into chalkdust worked real well imo.
nice ripper there.
now..... took some balls to try and seg into hydrogen from the middle of a chalkdust shred...and....it......ALMOST worked.
if they practiced more often and could hook up better, this would have been epic, but alas.
it wasnt as bad as folks made it seem while it was happening, and i have to give trey credit for trying something different.
really dug the slow, melodic, paug opening, which continues into the jam which is pretty cool for a while. it fizzles pretty hard by the end though.
all in all, it was was a good listen.
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on January 04, 2012, 01:03:28 PM
took this mikes groove for a spin on my way to work.
i thought the mikes was great the decision to go into chalkdust worked real well imo.
nice ripper there.
now..... took some balls to try and seg into hydrogen from the middle of a chalkdust shred...and....it......ALMOST worked.
if they practiced more often and could hook up better, this would have been epic, but alas.
it wasnt as bad as folks made it seem while it was happening, and i have to give trey credit for trying something different.
really dug the slow, melodic, paug opening, which continues into the jam which is pretty cool for a while. it fizzles pretty hard by the end though.
all in all, it was was a good listen.
At first GAH and I were thinking it was a little Allman's then after he kept hitting on it we realized it was hydrogen, but I actually liked the segue. Its definitely no tasty tranny material, but I enjoyed it live (webcast).
Quote from: UncleEbinezer on January 04, 2012, 02:59:50 PM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on January 04, 2012, 01:03:28 PM
took this mikes groove for a spin on my way to work.
i thought the mikes was great the decision to go into chalkdust worked real well imo.
nice ripper there.
now..... took some balls to try and seg into hydrogen from the middle of a chalkdust shred...and....it......ALMOST worked.
if they practiced more often and could hook up better, this would have been epic, but alas.
it wasnt as bad as folks made it seem while it was happening, and i have to give trey credit for trying something different.
really dug the slow, melodic, paug opening, which continues into the jam which is pretty cool for a while. it fizzles pretty hard by the end though.
all in all, it was was a good listen.
At first GAH and I were thinking it was a little Allman's then after he kept hitting on it we realized it was hydrogen, but I actually liked the segue. Its definitely no tasty tranny material, but I enjoyed it live (webcast).
Ha. I was yelling some nonsense about an Allman's tease while it was happening as well.
Personally, I thought this whole Mike's Groove rocked. Easily my favorite of 3.0. It's also the first 3.0 H2 I've seen that hasn't been horribly botched.
Probably my favorite 3.0 Mikes groove as well. I didn't think the transition was all that bad and the Mikes and chalkdust had some great rock energy .
Yeah, I like this Mike's too.
As someone who has been repeatedly slapped in the face w/ 3.0 predictability..... I REALLY enjoyed the Sloth/YEM opener of this show.
Thats the type of unexpectedness I love about Phish. Really set the tone for the night for me, and I was a pretty happy camper for most everything after.
On another note -- Lifeboy is a gorgeous song. I always liked the song but hearing it this night brought a new light to it for me. It's soooo quiet!
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on January 05, 2012, 02:35:35 AM
As someone who has been repeatedly slapped in the face w/ 3.0 predictability..... I REALLY enjoyed the Sloth/YEM opener of this show.
Thats the type of unexpectedness I love about Phish. Really set the tone for the night for me, and I was a pretty happy camper for most everything after.
On another note -- Lifeboy is a gorgeous song. I always liked the song but hearing it this night brought a new light to it for me. It's soooo quiet!
Great fun to play too! You should learn it....
Quote from: birdman on January 04, 2012, 05:32:59 PM
Quote from: UncleEbinezer on January 04, 2012, 02:59:50 PM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on January 04, 2012, 01:03:28 PM
took this mikes groove for a spin on my way to work.
i thought the mikes was great the decision to go into chalkdust worked real well imo.
nice ripper there.
now..... took some balls to try and seg into hydrogen from the middle of a chalkdust shred...and....it......ALMOST worked.
if they practiced more often and could hook up better, this would have been epic, but alas.
it wasnt as bad as folks made it seem while it was happening, and i have to give trey credit for trying something different.
really dug the slow, melodic, paug opening, which continues into the jam which is pretty cool for a while. it fizzles pretty hard by the end though.
all in all, it was was a good listen.
At first GAH and I were thinking it was a little Allman's then after he kept hitting on it we realized it was hydrogen, but I actually liked the segue. Its definitely no tasty tranny material, but I enjoyed it live (webcast).
Ha. I was yelling some nonsense about an Allman's tease while it was happening as well.
Personally, I thought this whole Mike's Groove rocked. Easily my favorite of 3.0. It's also the first 3.0 H2 I've seen that hasn't been horribly botched.
Yeah, I dug this a lot. I've heard some negatives about the transition, but it was the only time in the first 2 nights (all I watched and have heard so far) that I actually enjoyed. It was the only time Trey threw me for a loop, and looking back at that video, looks like it brought a smile to Page and Mike's faces too, when it occurred to THEM what he was doing. It's not often these days that Trey's the one ahead of the curve.
Quote from: goodabouthood on January 05, 2012, 04:23:32 PM
Quote from: birdman on January 04, 2012, 05:32:59 PM
Quote from: UncleEbinezer on January 04, 2012, 02:59:50 PM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on January 04, 2012, 01:03:28 PM
took this mikes groove for a spin on my way to work.
i thought the mikes was great the decision to go into chalkdust worked real well imo.
nice ripper there.
now..... took some balls to try and seg into hydrogen from the middle of a chalkdust shred...and....it......ALMOST worked.
if they practiced more often and could hook up better, this would have been epic, but alas.
it wasnt as bad as folks made it seem while it was happening, and i have to give trey credit for trying something different.
really dug the slow, melodic, paug opening, which continues into the jam which is pretty cool for a while. it fizzles pretty hard by the end though.
all in all, it was was a good listen.
At first GAH and I were thinking it was a little Allman's then after he kept hitting on it we realized it was hydrogen, but I actually liked the segue. Its definitely no tasty tranny material, but I enjoyed it live (webcast).
Ha. I was yelling some nonsense about an Allman's tease while it was happening as well.
Personally, I thought this whole Mike's Groove rocked. Easily my favorite of 3.0. It's also the first 3.0 H2 I've seen that hasn't been horribly botched.
Yeah, I dug this a lot. I've heard some negatives about the transition, but it was the only time in the first 2 nights (all I watched and have heard so far) that I actually enjoyed. It was the only time Trey threw me for a loop, and looking back at that video, looks like it brought a smile to Page and Mike's faces too, when it occurred to THEM what he was doing. It's not often these days that Trey's the one ahead of the curve.
I agree the curveball was cool, but the execution was pretty harsh to me. I really liked when Trey first started the H2 lines with the CDT tempo, but instead of taking his time and waiting for everyone to get synced up, he did what he always does which is just barrel into it without any regard to what the others are doing. If he would have showed just a little patience and let Page and Mike get on the same page, they could have slowed the tempo down as a unit and it would have been a pretty serious segue. Instead, he panicked and they had to grind to a screeching halt before they knew what they were doing. To me, it was the low point of an otherwise really nice Groove.
I haven't seen the video, but I remember thinking watching the webcast that Page and Mike's grins were "Is he fucking serious with that shit?" smiles and not "Hey, that was pretty cool, Trey!" smiles.
Quote from: runawayjimbo on January 05, 2012, 05:47:20 PM
Quote from: goodabouthood on January 05, 2012, 04:23:32 PM
Quote from: birdman on January 04, 2012, 05:32:59 PM
Quote from: UncleEbinezer on January 04, 2012, 02:59:50 PM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on January 04, 2012, 01:03:28 PM
took this mikes groove for a spin on my way to work.
i thought the mikes was great the decision to go into chalkdust worked real well imo.
nice ripper there.
now..... took some balls to try and seg into hydrogen from the middle of a chalkdust shred...and....it......ALMOST worked.
if they practiced more often and could hook up better, this would have been epic, but alas.
it wasnt as bad as folks made it seem while it was happening, and i have to give trey credit for trying something different.
really dug the slow, melodic, paug opening, which continues into the jam which is pretty cool for a while. it fizzles pretty hard by the end though.
all in all, it was was a good listen.
At first GAH and I were thinking it was a little Allman's then after he kept hitting on it we realized it was hydrogen, but I actually liked the segue. Its definitely no tasty tranny material, but I enjoyed it live (webcast).
Ha. I was yelling some nonsense about an Allman's tease while it was happening as well.
Personally, I thought this whole Mike's Groove rocked. Easily my favorite of 3.0. It's also the first 3.0 H2 I've seen that hasn't been horribly botched.
Yeah, I dug this a lot. I've heard some negatives about the transition, but it was the only time in the first 2 nights (all I watched and have heard so far) that I actually enjoyed. It was the only time Trey threw me for a loop, and looking back at that video, looks like it brought a smile to Page and Mike's faces too, when it occurred to THEM what he was doing. It's not often these days that Trey's the one ahead of the curve.
I agree the curveball was cool, but the execution was pretty harsh to me. I really liked when Trey first started the H2 lines with the CDT tempo, but instead of taking his time and waiting for everyone to get synced up, he did what he always does which is just barrel into it without any regard to what the others are doing. If he would have showed just a little patience and let Page and Mike get on the same page, they could have slowed the tempo down as a unit and it would have been a pretty serious segue. Instead, he panicked and they had to grind to a screeching halt before they knew what they were doing. To me, it was the low point of an otherwise really nice Groove.
I haven't seen the video, but I remember thinking watching the webcast that Page and Mike's grins were "Is he fucking serious with that shit?" smiles and not "Hey, that was pretty cool, Trey!" smiles.
Sure he could have used more patience, and I agree completely, if he'd given the other guys a little room to all fall in together and make the transition as a unit, it would've been a much better segue. BUT, like you said, getting a curveball at all is interesting enough and to be honest, maybe the best we can expect from him at this point. As for the smiles, check the video UM posted in the official HD thread. I think those two guys were a little surprised but in a good way. Fish tho didn't sound like he even knew what was happening there til it was clearly too late and added to the cacophony of sounds, imo.
thought it was a very cool segue
not perfect, not bad.
agree that more playing together would help.
I'll bet there are several in 1.0 that weren't as good - we tend to remember the mind melts
it would have been better if they used a (nh) :wink:
Quote from: bvaz on January 06, 2012, 09:33:53 AM
it would have been better if they used a (nh) :wink:
I don't think no homo is the answer here.
Shoulda just teased hydro within CDT and kept the tempo up for a > into week4paug. That woulda been the bomb.
A guy can dream can't he?
:smoke:
Quote from: sophist on January 06, 2012, 10:03:07 AM
Quote from: bvaz on January 06, 2012, 09:33:53 AM
it would have been better if they used a (nh) :wink:
I don't think no homo is the answer here.
whenever someone on the moe. board asked what it stands for, my answer is noob hazing.
I say they stop the song and find a noob in the crowd and haze them before going to the next song.
Quote from: bvaz on January 06, 2012, 10:34:28 AM
Quote from: sophist on January 06, 2012, 10:03:07 AM
Quote from: bvaz on January 06, 2012, 09:33:53 AM
it would have been better if they used a (nh) :wink:
I don't think no homo is the answer here.
whenever someone on the moe. board asked what it stands for, my answer is noob hazing.
I say they stop the song and find a noob in the crowd and haze them before going to the next song.
I think it was Hicks that started the joke here of reading "no huddle" as no homo. :hereitisyousentimentalbastard
29Dec.2011 - MSG
I
The Sloth - great way to open, "sleeping all day, spend my nights in bars...", great early composition by Trey, love the Jimmy Page/metal esque breakdowns, cool Page organ "at the ball game" vibe, a better opener then the previous night, not as super tight and explosive as other versions but still a decent opener, pause into...
1, 2, 1234
YEM - sweet, tight opening section, euphoric crowd, love the nirvana section, ethereal sounds, sick placement;), introducing Mike!, active crowd, nice sustain by Trey, preety sick version into Boy!, sick Fish on the kickdrum, Frankenstein Page back into organ jam proper, thick notes by Mike, Trey chords in at 10:16, nice jam early, Page backs off, comes in, Trey tries to settle into plinko territory, Mike pushes, active Page, patient Trey, hitting some decent notes yet goes back to plink, Mike hinting at modulation, sick Page on clav near 12:52, Mike holding the jam beautifully underneath, not super impressed w/ Trey's lines/solo, again Page and Mike taking every opportunity, full band peak near 14:50+, Mike/Fish, vocal > great opening section but jam was mediocre overall,
Back On The Train - MSG sits on top on Penn Station?
Moma Dance - strong Mike early, Black-Eyed Katy dance, Trey w/ a cool approach rhythmically before dropping into plink, sweet Mike, loose version, standard outro solo, good version overall into
Funk Bitch - another overplayed 3.0 hit,
Maze - yes!, compliments The Sloth quite well, Page drops in near 3:09, nice Trey underneath, nice tension near 4:20, Trey signaling he wants to jump in as he tries to build tension w/ ascending chords, finally gets his wish near 5:35, leads of trill, Mike there to show support, Hendrix esque Trey near 6:30+, Trey nearing the alpine zone, cries from Trey near 7:27, decent effort, still no where near where he was in terms of technique,
Roses - good holiday vibe tune, I'll pass
Halley's - weak solo by Trey, beta Trey, into
Antelope - jam drops near 2:48, like most 3.0 versions including Bowie, Trey comps at the outset, more low register plink, Mike stepping it up, Trey responds subtley, jam stays straight ahead for the most part(sound familiar?), Trey presently isn't the guitarist who can hold your interest or imagination by his soloing, its very repetitive and very un-like his former style and grace, '94 esque build at 7:00+, weird peak, they should really rehearse more...,
II
Crosseyed and Painless - another TH cover, used to like when this tune was rare, now its become a "hit", yawn at Trey's playing between chorus, beyond Phish this tune is infectious, Trey playing some nice rhythm guitar, Trey tries switching up his tone into slight Leslie feel, more straight ahead playing w/ Page adding color, big rock/light show, yawn here, spacey/trippy outro, Mike leading, into
Simple - muddy Trey, nice tribute to the city, patient jamming before 6:40 where they test the high speed ambient waters, Quadrophonic Toppling esque outro into
Lifeboy - ouch, perhaps not rehearsed, rough,
Guyute - nice warm up for
Mike's Song - jam drops at 2:38, Slowhand Trey as he trills his way into his first solo, slight old school space for Trey, nice Trey near 5:00+, Trey digging in, Bowie esque ending arpeggio before outro chords, downshift into
Chalk Dust - good way to keep the energy upward, Trey leads in near 2:59, more trill from Trey, disjointed jam, Trey sounds off key/lost, not exactly purposeful tension building, siren Trey at 5:00, more beta Trey, recovers nicely for outro w/ Page into
I Am Hydrogen - interesting segue from Chalk Dust, gotta love that they're at least trying to do something, Trey a little rough here also, into
Weekapaug - jam drops at 1:49, funk out of the gate, Trey plinko-ing out early, Mike chimes in nicely near 3:06, more beta Trey, Phish feeling it out, big sound Mike, he fills the room well, Mike trying to keep the jam into more of a funk vibe while Trey attempts rock peak but wisely goes back to rhythm, Trey and Page line up nicely near 5:50, trilly Trey near 6:12, Trey gets his rock peak, Page comping along side, Trey retreats away from peak, tries another trill inspired line that, in this context, works better, Page switches to organ to augment, psuedo rock peak by Trey back into groove.
Show of Life - to get a H20
Character Zero - go ZZ!
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Loving Cup - more ZZ.
Overall I feel this show lags behind the previous night. Whereas 28Dec. had 3 legitimate forays into it w/ Cities, Carini and Rock & Roll, this show hinted at the undercurrent but failed to surrender completely. Loved the idea of a Sloth > YEM opening and though I enjoyed the head of YEM, the jam was standard and no where near 12/04/2009. I liked Moma Dance because they were preety loose w/ it, atypical playing by Mike and Trey in particular. Maze was ok, I liked Trey's rhythm playing underneath Page whereas Trey's solo is more a litmus of where he needs to be. Antelope more meh.
No real highlights in set II. Sure they try to do something different in this Mike's Groove but the quality and level of their improvisation isn't compelling, its more fill that will easily be forgotten. Trey's playing/soloing in Chalk Dust is horrible before the ending. Even Weekapaug which really was the only jam that bordered on "w/ out a net" never really lifted off in that they didn't stray too far from the melody and was more like an extended rock peak.
http://vimeo.com/34597286
This is great music. I loved just about every second of this video. Trey may not have the chops he used to, but he is pretty damn on point this entire Mike's groove if you ask me. I thought the the segue was awesome... not perfect, but ambitious and what I want in Phish.
good job Phish.
Love this mikes groove!! Thought the song selection really upped the energy for this show, but musically, the 28th has more fatty jamz and just as much interplay between band members.
I was def talking about how it sounded like a Jessica jam inbetween CDT > hydrogen after the show, but after listening to it, its def just a slowed down hydrogen. :hereitisyousentimentalbastard