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Started by VDB, November 30, 2010, 10:11:04 AM

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Bobafett

too bad its an election year and Obama's not a lame duck, cause i wish he would just make their jobs hell.  Every holiday, call a special session.  Just to be a dick, as that is all the republicans have been to him.
The events in our lives happen in a sequence in time, but in their significance to ourselves they find their own order; the continuous thread of revelation.

Superfreakie

COPS READY FOR WAR
Daily Beast investigation.
http://news.yahoo.com/cops-ready-war-094500010.html
QuoteNestled amid plains so flat the locals joke you can watch your dog run away for miles, Fargo treasures its placid lifestyle, seldom pierced by the mayhem and violence common in other urban communities. North Dakota's largest city has averaged fewer than two homicides a year since 2005, and there's not been a single international terrorism prosecution in the last decade.

But that hasn't stopped authorities in Fargo and its surrounding county from going on an $8 million buying spree to arm police officers with the sort of gear once reserved only for soldiers fighting foreign wars.

Every city squad car is equipped today with a military-style assault rifle, and officers can don Kevlar helmets able to withstand incoming fire from battlefield-grade ammunition. And for that epic confrontation—if it ever occurs—officers can now summon a new $256,643 armored truck, complete with a rotating turret. For now, though, the menacing truck is used mostly for training and appearances at the annual city picnic, where it's been parked near the children's bounce house.

"Most people are so fascinated by it, because nothing happens here," says Carol Archbold, a Fargo resident and criminal justice professor at North Dakota State University. "There's no terrorism here."

Like Fargo, thousands of other local police departments nationwide have been amassing stockpiles of military-style equipment in the name of homeland security, aided by more than $34 billion in federal grants since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, a Daily Beast investigation conducted by the Center for Investigative Reporting has found.
Interactive Map: States Spend Billions on Homeland Security

The buying spree has transformed local police departments into small, army-like forces, and put intimidating equipment into the hands of civilian officers. And that is raising questions about whether the strategy has gone too far, creating a culture and capability that jeopardizes public safety and civil rights while creating an expensive false sense of security.

"The argument for up-armoring is always based on the least likely of terrorist scenarios," says Mark Randol, a former terrorism expert at the Congressional Research Service, the nonpartisan research arm of Congress. "Anyone can get a gun and shoot up stuff. No amount of SWAT equipment can stop that."

Local police bristle at the suggestion that they've become "militarized," arguing the upgrade in firepower and other equipment is necessary to combat criminals with more lethal capabilities. They point to the 1997 Los Angeles-area bank robbers who pinned police for hours with assault weapons, the gun-wielding student who perpetrated the Virginia Tech massacre in 2007, and the terrorists who waged a bloody rampage in Mumbai, India, that left 164 people dead and 300 wounded in 2008.

The new weaponry and battle gear, they insist, helps save lives in the face of such threats. "I don't see us as militarizing police; I see us as keeping abreast with society," former Los Angeles Police chief William Bratton says. "And we are a gun-crazy society."

Adds Fargo Police Lt. Ross Renner, who commands the regional SWAT team: "It's foolish to not be cognizant of the threats out there, whether it's New York, Los Angeles, or Fargo. Our residents have the right to be protected. We don't have everyday threats here when it comes to terrorism, but we are asked to be prepared."

The skepticism about the Homeland spending spree is less severe for Washington, D.C., Los Angeles and New York, which are presumed to be likelier targets. But questions persist about whether money was handed out elsewhere with any regard for risk assessment or need. And the gap in accounting for the decade-long spending spree is undeniable. The U.S. Homeland Security Department says it doesn't closely track what's been bought with its tax dollars or how the equipment is used. State and local governments don't maintain uniform records either.

To assess the changes in law enforcement for The Daily Beast, the Center for Investigative Reporting conducted interviews and reviewed grant spending records obtained through open records requests in 41 states. The probe found stockpiles of weaponry and military-style protective equipment worthy of a defense contractor's sales catalog.

In Montgomery County, Texas, the sheriff's department owns a $300,000 pilotless surveillance drone, like those used to hunt down al Qaeda terrorists in the remote tribal regions of Pakistan and Afghanistan. In Augusta, Maine, with fewer than 20,000 people and where an officer hasn't died from gunfire in the line of duty in more than 125 years, police bought eight $1,500 tactical vests. Police in Des Moines, Iowa, bought two $180,000 bomb-disarming robots, while an Arizona sheriff is now the proud owner of a surplus Army tank.

The flood of money opened to local police after 9/11, but slowed slightly in recent years. Still, the Department of Homeland Security awarded more than $2 billion in grants to local police in 2011, and President Obama's 2009 American Recovery and Reinvestment Act contributed an additional half-billion dollars.

Law enforcement officials say the armored vehicles, assault weapons, and combat uniforms used by their officers provide a public safety benefit beyond their advertised capabilities, creating a sort of "shock and awe" experience they hope will encourage suspects to surrender more quickly.

"The only time I hear the complaint of 'God, you guys look scary' is if the incident turns out to be nothing," says West Hartford, Conn., Police Lt. Jeremy Clark, who organizes an annual SWAT competition.

A grainy YouTube video from one of Clark's recent competitions shows just how far the police transformation has come, displaying officers in battle fatigues, helmets, and multi-pocketed vests storming a hostile scene. One with a pistol strapped to his hip swings a battering ram into a door. A colleague lobs a flash-bang grenade into a field. Another officer, holding a pistol and wearing a rifle strapped to his back, peeks cautiously inside a bus.

The images unfold to the pulsing, ominous soundtrack of a popular videogame, Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2. Though resembling soldiers in a far-flung war zone, the stars of this video are Massachusetts State Police troopers.

The number of SWAT teams participating in Clark's event doubled to 40 between 2004 and 2009 as Homeland's police funding swelled. The competition provides real-life scenarios for training, and Clark believes it is essential, because he fears many SWAT teams are falling below the 16 hours of minimum monthly training recommended by the National Tactical Officers Association.

"Luck is not for cops. Luck is for drunks and fools," Clark said, explaining his devotion to training.

One beneficiary of Homeland's largesse are military contractors, who have found a new market for their wares and sponsor training events like the one Clark oversees in Connecticut or a similar Urban Shield event held in California.

Special ops supplier Blackhawk Industries, founded by a former Navy SEAL, was among several Urban Shield sponsors this year. Other sponsors for such training peddle wares like ThunderSledge breaching tools for smashing open locked or chained doors, Lenco Armored Vehicles bulletproof box trucks, and KDH Defense Systems's body armor.

"As criminal organizations are increasingly armed with military-style weapons, law enforcement operations require the same level of field-tested and combat-proven protection used by soldiers and Marines in Iraq, Afghanistan, and other high-risk locations," boasts an Oshkosh Corp. brochure at a recent police seminar, where the company pitched its "tactical protector vehicle."

The trend shows no sign of abating. The homeland security market for state and local agencies is projected to reach $19.2 billion by 2014, up from an estimated $15.8 billion in fiscal 2009, according to the Homeland Security Research Corp.

The rise of equipment purchases has paralleled an apparent increase in local SWAT teams, but reliable numbers are hard to come by. The National Tactical Officers Association, which provides training and develops SWAT standards, says it currently has about 1,650 team memberships, up from 1,026 in 2000.

Many of America's newly armed officers are ex-military veterans from the front lines of Iraq and Afghanistan. Charles Ramsey, who was police chief in Washington, D.C., on 9/11, upgraded the weaponry when he moved to Philadelphia in 2008. Today, some 1,500 Philly beat cops are trained to use AR-15 assault rifles.

"We have a lot of people here, like most departments, who are ex-military," Ramsey says. "Some people are very much into guns and so forth. So it wasn't hard to find volunteers."

Some real-life episodes, however, are sparking a debate about whether all that gear also creates a more militarized mind-set for local police that exceeds their mission or risks public safety.

In one case, dozens of officers in combat-style gear raided a youth rave in Utah as a police helicopter buzzed overhead. An online video shows the battle-ready team wearing masks and brandishing rifles as they holler for the music to be shut off and pin partygoers to the ground.

And Arizona tactical officers this year sprayed the home of ex-Marine Jose Guerena with gunfire as he stood in a hallway with a rifle that he did not fire. He was hit 22 times and died. Police had targeted the man's older brother in a narcotics-trafficking probe, but nothing illegal was found in the younger Guerena's home, and no related arrests had been made months after the raid.

In Maryland, officials finally began collecting data on tactical raids after police in 2008 burst into the home of a local mayor and killed his two dogs in a case in which the mayor's home was used as a dropoff for drug deal. The mayor's family had nothing to do with criminal activity.

Such episodes and the sheer magnitude of the expenditures over the last decade raise legitimate questions about whether taxpayers have gotten their money's worth and whether police might have assumed more might and capability than is necessary for civilian forces.

"With local law enforcement, their mission is to solve crimes after they've happened, and to ensure that people's constitutional rights are protected in the process," says Jesselyn McCurdy, senior legislative counsel for the American Civil Liberties Union. "The military obviously has a mission where they are fighting an enemy. When you use military tactics in the context of law enforcement, the missions don't match, and that's when you see trouble with the overmilitarization of police."

The upgrading of local police nonetheless continues. Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio now claims to operate his own air armada of private pilots—dubbed Operation Desert Sky—to monitor illegal border crossings, and he recently added a full-size surplus Army tank. New York Police Commissioner Ray Kelly boasted this fall he had a secret capability to shoot down an airliner if one threatened the city again. And the city of Ogden, Utah, is launching a 54-foot, remote-controlled "crime-fighting blimp" with a powerful surveillance camera.

Back in Fargo, nearby corn and soybean farmer Tim Kozojed supports the local police but questions whether the Homeland grants have been spent wisely. "I'm very reluctant to get anxious about a terrorist attack in North Dakota," Kozojed, 31, said. "Why would they bother?"
Que te vaya bien, que te vaya bien, Te quiero más que las palabras pueden decir.

ytowndan

#1052
It's not exactly a surprise or anything, but Newt's really not going for the vote of gays or their supporters. 

QuoteNewt Gingrich: Gay? Vote For Barack Obama: Updated

BY Celeste Katz

Newt Gingrich isn't exactly chasing the gay vote. The Republican presidential candidate told a homosexual Iowa man at a campaign event on Tuesday to vote for President Obama.

Our Aliyah Shahid reports:

Scott Arnold, a Democrat and associate professor of writing at William Penn University, approached the ex-House speaker in Oskaloosa wanting to know how Gingrich would represent him as President, according to the Des Moines Register.

"I asked him if he's elected, how does he plan to engage gay Americans. How are we to support him? And he told me to support Obama," Arnold told the newspaper.

The Gingrich campaign did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

The White House hopeful — who had surged ahead as a top-tier candidate but has sunk in polls over the last week — is known for his opposition to same-sex marriage.

UPDATE: OCCUPY PROTESTERS HECKLE GINGRICH IN DES MOINES

Earlier this month, he told the conservative Christian Family Leader organization that, if elected, he would "oppose any judicial, bureaucratic or legislative effort to define marriage in any manner other than as between one man and one woman."

His lesbian half-sister, Candace Gingrich-Jones, made national headlines earlier this month when she said she's was going to vote for Obama because of her sibling's rejection of same-sex marriage.

Arnold said he was disheartened by Gingrich's latest comments.

"When you ask somebody a question and you expect them to support all Americans and have everyone's general interest," Arnold said. "It's a little bit frustrating and disheartening when you're told to support the other side, that he doesn't need your support."

Update from CK: I should add here that the Gingrich campaign is pushing back against this storyline.

Said the campaign: "As you can see from the transcript and video, Gingrich was saying that he plans to talk to all Americans about jobs, national security, creating a better future for America and many issues. He did say that for voters whose most important issue was allowing gays the right to marry, that it was legitimate for them to support Obama for president."

More and a video of the exchange here
Quote from: nab on July 27, 2007, 12:20:24 AM
You never drink alone when you have something good to listen to.

rowjimmy

#1053
I can't really fathom why this is any kind of story other than the refreshing dose of honesty from a politician.

In fact, I'm going to side with Newt on this one.

If you are gay or support the rights of all Americans regardless of sexual orientation, you should vote for Obama.

To do otherwise would be like poor people voting for a party that shamelessly gives benefits to the rich while taking them away from the disadvantaged and no one would do that.

oh wait...

Lifeboy

Quote from: rowjimmy on December 22, 2011, 08:59:28 AM
To do otherwise would be like poor people voting for a party that shamelessly gives benefits to the rich while taking them away from the disadvantaged and no one would do that.

oh wait...

:hereitisyousentimentalbastard

my head was starting to turn sideways until I read the 'oh wait' part...
Quote from: mistercharlie on March 10, 2010, 10:41:36 PMTo know me is to know my love of Phish.  :smoke:

gah

Quote from: rowjimmy on December 22, 2011, 08:59:28 AM
I can't really fathom why this is any kind of story other than the refreshing dose of honesty from a politician.

In fact, I'm going to side with Newt on this one.

If you are gay or support the rights of all Americans regardless of sexual orientation, you should vote for Obama.

To do otherwise would be like poor people voting for a party that shamelessly gives benefits to the rich while taking them away from the disadvantaged and no one would do that.

oh wait...

I agree completely. What's the dude upset about? Newt was honest, and I don't understand why you'd expect every politician to represent all Americans. It just isn't possible. But it IS an example of how a lot of Americans are one topic voters. It's why that bolded portion happens. Dividing Americans on Social issues keeps them distracted from noticing the gov't/big business/wall st. hands stealing money out of their pockets.
Sometimes we live no particular way but our own.

Hicks

Please, please, please let him win the nomination, it will be the biggest "you got what you asked for" ever for Republicans. 
Quote from: Trey Anastasio
But, I don't think our fans do happily lap it up, I think they go online and talk about how it was a bad show.

rowjimmy

Quote from: Hicks on December 22, 2011, 11:47:11 AM
Please, please, please let him win the nomination, it will be the biggest "you got what you asked for" ever for Republicans.

It'll be awesome when the "sealed" part of the ethics investigation findings are leaked...

runawayjimbo

Quote from: Hicks on December 22, 2011, 11:47:11 AM
Please, please, please let him win the nomination, it will be the biggest "you got what you asked for" ever for Republicans.

Plus, you wouldn't be out a six pack.

Quote from: Hicks on August 31, 2011, 11:41:36 AM
I just bet a co-worker a six pack that Perry will win the nomination, he took Romney.
Quote from: DoW on October 26, 2013, 09:06:17 PM
I'm drunk but that was epuc

Quote from: mehead on June 22, 2016, 11:52:42 PM
The Line still sucks. Hard.

Quote from: Gumbo72203 on July 25, 2017, 08:21:56 PM
well boys, we fucked up by not being there.

Superfreakie

Quote from: rowjimmy on December 22, 2011, 08:59:28 AM
I can't really fathom why this is any kind of story other than the refreshing dose of honesty from a politician.

In fact, I'm going to side with Newt on this one.

If you are gay or support the rights of all Americans regardless of sexual orientation, you should vote for Obama.

To do otherwise would be like poor people voting for a party that shamelessly gives benefits to the rich while taking them away from the disadvantaged and no one would do that.

oh wait...

log cabin'd

Mary Cheney'd

Larry Craig'd
Que te vaya bien, que te vaya bien, Te quiero más que las palabras pueden decir.

gah

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own.

gah

Well, they passed the extension.

QuoteFacing withering criticism from across the political spectrum and abandoned by Senate allies, House Republicans bowed to political reality Thursday and agreed to a two-month extension of a payroll tax cut for 160 million Americans.
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The agreement resolved the last stalemate in a year of bitter congressional fighting that earned lawmakers their lowest approval ratings in recent memory.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/boehner-2-month-tax-cut-would-hurt-small-businesses/2011/12/22/gIQA5ClZBP_story.html
Sometimes we live no particular way but our own.

mbw


runawayjimbo

Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on January 12, 2012, 11:25:13 AM
marines piss on dead Afghans.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/12/us/video-marines-urinating/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

keep it classy, 'best and brightest.'    :roll:

It's their own fault, really. If only they didn't hate us for our freedoms so much.
Quote from: DoW on October 26, 2013, 09:06:17 PM
I'm drunk but that was epuc

Quote from: mehead on June 22, 2016, 11:52:42 PM
The Line still sucks. Hard.

Quote from: Gumbo72203 on July 25, 2017, 08:21:56 PM
well boys, we fucked up by not being there.

mbw

Quote from: runawayjimbo on January 12, 2012, 11:28:35 AM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on January 12, 2012, 11:25:13 AM
marines piss on dead Afghans.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/12/us/video-marines-urinating/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

keep it classy, 'best and brightest.'    :roll:

It's their own fault, really. If only they didn't hate us for our freedoms so much.

true.  too bad they didn't convert to pro-life christians like these good 'murican boys.