Was digging around and couldn't find a thread just about the Mueller investigation. Todays big headline is here:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/21/us/politics/rod-rosenstein-wear-wire-25th-amendment.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/21/us/politics/rod-rosenstein-wear-wire-25th-amendment.html)
It should be noted that Rosenstein almost NEVER responds to articles that come out against him, but today he felt so compelled and said:
"The New York Times's story is inaccurate and factually incorrect," he said in a statement. "I will not further comment on a story based on anonymous sources who are obviously biased against the department and are advancing their own personal agenda. But let me be clear about this: Based on my personal dealings with the president, there is no basis to invoke the 25th Amendment."
My take away is this: I realize it comes across as a bit conspiracy theory, but it seems pretty obvious this is a hit piece to give the President "cause" for his firing. Even as I am writing this there are articles showing up about who is expected to take over the Special Counsel.
STAY TUNED FOLKS!
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/24/deputy-attorney-general-rod-rosenstein-is-reportedly-resigning.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/24/deputy-attorney-general-rod-rosenstein-is-reportedly-resigning.html)
Here we go..... :shakehead:
https://act.moveon.org/event/mueller-firing-rapid-response-events/search/ (https://act.moveon.org/event/mueller-firing-rapid-response-events/search/)
He called their bluff and they blinked.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/rod-rosenstein-who-had-been-overseeing-russia-probe-has-offered-to-resign/2018/09/24/d350477c-aad8-11e8-8a0c-70b618c98d3c_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.78da7e1b4af0 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/rod-rosenstein-who-had-been-overseeing-russia-probe-has-offered-to-resign/2018/09/24/d350477c-aad8-11e8-8a0c-70b618c98d3c_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.78da7e1b4af0)
This is still going on? :hereitisyousentimentalbastard
jk, that's cool to have it's own thread. but I'm pretty sure the adventures in communications thread was had become the primary can-you-believe-this-fucking-bullshit-here thread...
I honestly stopped paying attention to that nonsense about 6 months ago, cause it seems like it's never ending and incredibly slow moving.
Quote from: gah on September 24, 2018, 03:28:55 PM
This is still going on? :hereitisyousentimentalbastard
jk, that's cool to have it's own thread. but I'm pretty sure the adventures in communications thread was had become the primary can-you-believe-this-fucking-bullshit-here thread...
I honestly stopped paying attention to that nonsense about 6 months ago, cause it seems like it's never ending and incredibly slow moving.
I haven't so much tuned out as much as I've become numb. Part of the reason, I believe, that the political threads are so dead around here is that, yes, yes we can believe it. It doesn't matter what you're about to tell us -- however seemingly shocking, disgusting and/or treasonous -- our response is, "yeah, that sounds about right." Or at least that's my response. Maybe I shouldn't presume to speak for everyone, but I don't think I have what it takes to be genuinely surprised at this president anymore (excepting certain things like murder or perhaps some kind of hardcore pedophilia). There's just, simply put, no longer a bar to be lowered, that's how fucking low we are, and it's entirely the Republican Party's fault for not nipping this in the bud.
Basically, this is all the new normal in Putin's America.
Quote from: ytowndan on September 24, 2018, 06:16:12 PM
There's just, simply put, no longer a bar to be lowered, that's how fucking low we are
Yeah, that pretty much sums up how I feel.
Quote from: ytowndan on September 24, 2018, 06:16:12 PM
Quote from: gah on September 24, 2018, 03:28:55 PM
This is still going on? :hereitisyousentimentalbastard
jk, that's cool to have it's own thread. but I'm pretty sure the adventures in communications thread was had become the primary can-you-believe-this-fucking-bullshit-here thread...
I honestly stopped paying attention to that nonsense about 6 months ago, cause it seems like it's never ending and incredibly slow moving.
I haven't so much tuned out as much as I've become numb. Part of the reason, I believe, that the political threads are so dead around here is that, yes, yes we can believe it. It doesn't matter what you're about to tell us -- however seemingly shocking, disgusting and/or treasonous -- our response is, "yeah, that sounds about right." Or at least that's my response. Maybe I shouldn't presume to speak for everyone, but I don't think I have what it takes to be genuinely surprised at this president anymore (excepting certain things like murder or perhaps some kind of hardcore pedophilia). There's just, simply put, no longer a bar to be lowered, that's how fucking low we are, and it's entirely the Republican Party's fault for not nipping this in the bud.
Democrats stacked the election for the most unlikeable candidate in history and literally the only person who could lose to Trump. And also promoted him during primaries cause it would be such an "easy" victory. So not sure this last bit holds up.
I share your numbness at the sheer stupidity of it all tho. Every day is stupider than the last.
Quote from: runawayjimbo on September 25, 2018, 09:06:23 AM
Quote from: ytowndan on September 24, 2018, 06:16:12 PM
Quote from: gah on September 24, 2018, 03:28:55 PM
This is still going on? :hereitisyousentimentalbastard
jk, that's cool to have it's own thread. but I'm pretty sure the adventures in communications thread was had become the primary can-you-believe-this-fucking-bullshit-here thread...
I honestly stopped paying attention to that nonsense about 6 months ago, cause it seems like it's never ending and incredibly slow moving.
I haven't so much tuned out as much as I've become numb. Part of the reason, I believe, that the political threads are so dead around here is that, yes, yes we can believe it. It doesn't matter what you're about to tell us -- however seemingly shocking, disgusting and/or treasonous -- our response is, "yeah, that sounds about right." Or at least that's my response. Maybe I shouldn't presume to speak for everyone, but I don't think I have what it takes to be genuinely surprised at this president anymore (excepting certain things like murder or perhaps some kind of hardcore pedophilia). There's just, simply put, no longer a bar to be lowered, that's how fucking low we are, and it's entirely the Republican Party's fault for not nipping this in the bud.
Democrats stacked the election for the most unlikeable candidate in history and literally the only person who could lose to Trump. And also promoted him during primaries cause it would be such an "easy" victory. So not sure this last bit holds up.
I share your numbness at the sheer stupidity of it all tho. Every day is stupider than the last.
Well, first, Hillary was infinitely better than Trump and, considering that she actually won the election, the people agreed. But this isn't about her or the DNC, because Trump is not a Democrat. It's about how the GOP has had endless opportunities (starting with their convention) to do the right thing but refused each and every time. They're now the proud owners of Donald J. Trump and all he represents, and they have no one to blame but themselves.
So unlikeable that she got 3+ million more votes and Russian interference in 3 key states was required to swing the electoral college to Putin's asset.
Your talking points are kinda bullshit and if you believe that shit you're probably part of the problem.
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on September 24, 2018, 10:07:16 PM
Quote from: ytowndan on September 24, 2018, 06:16:12 PM
There's just, simply put, no longer a bar to be lowered, that's how fucking low we are
Yeah, that pretty much sums up how I feel.
yup.
Quote from: mattstick on September 25, 2018, 10:18:02 AM
So unlikeable that she got 3+ million more votes and Russian interference in 3 key states was required to swing the electoral college to Putin's asset.
Your talking points are kinda bullshit and if you believe that shit you're probably part of the problem.
and yup.
Hillarys performance in the general election is pretty indefensible IMO.
It should have never been that close.
^^
agreed, a perfect storm
but yes, GOP leadership hasn't had the balls to stand up to the donald.
I'm not sure what she did that was so indefensible. Seemed like she ran a smooth campaign to me. Still, she was unlikeable. I have trouble finding baby boomer democrat women who liked her at all.
There's no point in rehashing the election and what should have have happened. That's over.
The problem is the stupidity that we have to deal with on a daily basis now, and this:
Quote from: slslbs on September 25, 2018, 11:17:31 AM
^^
agreed, a perfect storm
but yes, GOP leadership hasn't had the balls to stand up to the donald.
Thursday will be a very interesting day to say the least.
Quote from: ytowndan on September 25, 2018, 10:15:58 AM
Quote from: runawayjimbo on September 25, 2018, 09:06:23 AM
Quote from: ytowndan on September 24, 2018, 06:16:12 PM
Quote from: gah on September 24, 2018, 03:28:55 PM
This is still going on? :hereitisyousentimentalbastard
jk, that's cool to have it's own thread. but I'm pretty sure the adventures in communications thread was had become the primary can-you-believe-this-fucking-bullshit-here thread...
I honestly stopped paying attention to that nonsense about 6 months ago, cause it seems like it's never ending and incredibly slow moving.
I haven't so much tuned out as much as I've become numb. Part of the reason, I believe, that the political threads are so dead around here is that, yes, yes we can believe it. It doesn't matter what you're about to tell us -- however seemingly shocking, disgusting and/or treasonous -- our response is, "yeah, that sounds about right." Or at least that's my response. Maybe I shouldn't presume to speak for everyone, but I don't think I have what it takes to be genuinely surprised at this president anymore (excepting certain things like murder or perhaps some kind of hardcore pedophilia). There's just, simply put, no longer a bar to be lowered, that's how fucking low we are, and it's entirely the Republican Party's fault for not nipping this in the bud.
Democrats stacked the election for the most unlikeable candidate in history and literally the only person who could lose to Trump. And also promoted him during primaries cause it would be such an "easy" victory. So not sure this last bit holds up.
I share your numbness at the sheer stupidity of it all tho. Every day is stupider than the last.
Well, first, Hillary was infinitely better than Trump and, considering that she actually won the election, the people agreed. But this isn't about her or the DNC, because Trump is not a Democrat. It's about how the GOP has had endless opportunities (starting with their convention) to do the right thing but refused each and every time. They're now the proud owners of Donald J. Trump and all he represents, and they have no one to blame but themselves.
That's not how elections work here. There are rules, dude.
All I'm saying is Bernie would've won (I know you agree and not trying to rub salt).
Quote from: mattstick on September 25, 2018, 10:18:02 AM
So unlikeable that she got 3+ million more votes and Russian interference in 3 key states was required to swing the electoral college to Putin's asset.
Your talking points are kinda bullshit and if you believe that shit you're probably part of the problem.
lol talking points
Quote from: jam> on September 25, 2018, 11:21:45 AM
I'm not sure what she did that was so indefensible. Seemed like she ran a smooth campaign to me. Still, she was unlikeable. I have trouble finding baby boomer democrat women who liked her at all.
Taking states like Michigan for granted for one.
But really she should have gone after Bernie's base and moved to the left.
Her bland centrist positions didn't get many people excited to vote for her.
In the end she lost to the worst candidate in history and that's what I really find indefensible.
Quote from: Hicks on September 25, 2018, 12:40:01 PM
Quote from: jam> on September 25, 2018, 11:21:45 AM
I'm not sure what she did that was so indefensible. Seemed like she ran a smooth campaign to me. Still, she was unlikeable. I have trouble finding baby boomer democrat women who liked her at all.
Taking states like Michigan for granted for one.
But really she should have gone after Bernie's base and moved to the left.
Her bland centrist positions didn't get many people excited to vote for her.
In the end she lost to the worst candidate in history and that's what I really find indefensible.
Good points
Well Sessions is out, and his replacement has talked about "starving" funding to the special investigation.
Trump seems emboldened and threatened. This is gonna get interesting.
Yeah, I'd say Trump's looking scared and desperate. This is when he could be most dangerous.
Meanwhile Whitaker may not last long
https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/07/politics/whitaker-company-government/index.html
QuoteWhitaker's link to a 'scam' company that was shut down by the government
By Scott Bronstein, CNN
(CNN)Matthew Whitaker, the acting US attorney general, was on the advisory board of a Florida company that was shut down by the Federal Trade Commission and served with a $26 million judgment earlier this year for what court documents called "a scam that has bilked thousands of consumers out of millions of dollars."
The company, World Patent Marketing, promised to help inventors get patents.
Whitaker was named as an advisory board member in October 2014 and Federal Election Commission filings showed the company's owner donated $2,600 to Whitaker's campaign when he was running for the US Senate. A payment record also shows Whitaker was paid at least $9,375 by the company from October 2014 to February 2016, and was due to be paid an additional $7,500 in 2016 and 2017, but it is unclear whether he received that money.
According to a World Patent Marketing press release announcing Whitaker's position on the board, Whitaker was quoted as saying, "World Patent Marketing has become a trusted partner to many inventors that believe in the American Dream," and "I have always admired World Patent Marketing and its innovative products and dynamic leadership team."
In May, the company agreed to a settlement with the FTC amid allegations that World Patent Marketing used unfair tactics, including threats of legal action, when customers complained about the company or its services. The court banned the company from the invention promotion business; in addition, the judge ordered the $26 million judgment to be partially suspended as long as the company's owner Scott Cooper paid about $975,000. Whitaker's involvement was first reported by The Miami New Times.
Whitaker was so involved in the company he sent a threatening email to a disgruntled customer, which was filed in the case by the FTC. In it, Whitaker accuses a customer of "blackmail or extortion" because the customer had threatened to complain to the Better Business Bureau.
"I am a former United States Attorney for the Southern District of Iowa," the email says. "I am assuming you understand that there could be serious civil and criminal consequences for you" if the customer filed a complaint, Whitaker wrote, adding, "Understand that we take threats like this quite seriously."
The customer responded that Whitaker was "party (to) a scam."
Whitaker, through the Justice Department, declined to comment.
The FTC said customers who had paid thousands of dollars to World Patent Marketing to market their inventions received nothing in return after months or even years of paying the company. An FTC press release said that after working with World Patent Marketing, "many customers ended up in debt or lost their life savings with nothing to show for it."
CNN's Uliana Pavlova contributed to this report.
Drain the swamp, my ass
Quote from: slslbs on November 09, 2018, 03:02:08 PM
Meanwhile Whitaker may not last long
https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/07/politics/whitaker-company-government/index.html
QuoteWhitaker's link to a 'scam' company that was shut down by the government
By Scott Bronstein, CNN
(CNN)Matthew Whitaker, the acting US attorney general, was on the advisory board of a Florida company that was shut down by the Federal Trade Commission and served with a $26 million judgment earlier this year for what court documents called "a scam that has bilked thousands of consumers out of millions of dollars."
The company, World Patent Marketing, promised to help inventors get patents.
Whitaker was named as an advisory board member in October 2014 and Federal Election Commission filings showed the company's owner donated $2,600 to Whitaker's campaign when he was running for the US Senate. A payment record also shows Whitaker was paid at least $9,375 by the company from October 2014 to February 2016, and was due to be paid an additional $7,500 in 2016 and 2017, but it is unclear whether he received that money.
According to a World Patent Marketing press release announcing Whitaker's position on the board, Whitaker was quoted as saying, "World Patent Marketing has become a trusted partner to many inventors that believe in the American Dream," and "I have always admired World Patent Marketing and its innovative products and dynamic leadership team."
In May, the company agreed to a settlement with the FTC amid allegations that World Patent Marketing used unfair tactics, including threats of legal action, when customers complained about the company or its services. The court banned the company from the invention promotion business; in addition, the judge ordered the $26 million judgment to be partially suspended as long as the company's owner Scott Cooper paid about $975,000. Whitaker's involvement was first reported by The Miami New Times.
Whitaker was so involved in the company he sent a threatening email to a disgruntled customer, which was filed in the case by the FTC. In it, Whitaker accuses a customer of "blackmail or extortion" because the customer had threatened to complain to the Better Business Bureau.
"I am a former United States Attorney for the Southern District of Iowa," the email says. "I am assuming you understand that there could be serious civil and criminal consequences for you" if the customer filed a complaint, Whitaker wrote, adding, "Understand that we take threats like this quite seriously."
The customer responded that Whitaker was "party (to) a scam."
Whitaker, through the Justice Department, declined to comment.
The FTC said customers who had paid thousands of dollars to World Patent Marketing to market their inventions received nothing in return after months or even years of paying the company. An FTC press release said that after working with World Patent Marketing, "many customers ended up in debt or lost their life savings with nothing to show for it."
CNN's Uliana Pavlova contributed to this report.
Drain the swamp, my ass
Meet the new swamp.
Same as the old swamp.
CNN??? FAKE NEWS!!!
Infowars only up in this piece!
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That's what I don't get, how in the hell does he not think I may have said that I knew the guy.
He doesn't drink or do drugs so it's not a short term memory thing.
Dude just will say wtv pops in his head.
Flynn is fucked too.
Quote"All along you were an unregistered agent of a foreign country while serving as the national security adviser," the judge told Mr. Flynn. "Arguably that undermines everything that this flag over here stands for. Arguably you sold your country out."
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/18/us/politics/michael-flynn-sentencing.html
I'm gonna need more popcorn.
unless he gets pardoned
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on November 09, 2018, 10:25:08 PM
He doesn't drink or do drugs so it's not a short term memory thing.
Apparently he snorts Adderall.
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-snorted-adderall-apprentice-tom-arnold-noel-casler-1257787
Quote from: slslbs on December 18, 2018, 04:45:36 PM
unless until he gets pardoned
FYP
Saw that, hard to believe but the sniffing was pretty weird during the debates.
(800) 684-3043
This is a real phone number... that Donald Trump's campaign set up so that the public can leave him thank you messages about how great he's doing. This is not a joke.
I've left many. Most recently: "My name is Craig Suter, and I just wanted you to know that every time I see a flag, I piss my pants, and drop to one knee in reverence of what you have accomplished. The best thing that ever happened to this country. God bless you Donald J. Trump" in a really shitty accent.
And then of course my real message with my real name: "Thank you? Are you kidding? I hope you along with every member of your scum sucking organization rots in prison"
Have fun!
I wonder what the ironic/sincere ratio on those voice messages is?
it's scary but there are a lot of people who really think he's doing an amazing job
I know someone who's dad was in Virginia, stopped at Trump winery (there is such a thing) and bought several cases of Trump wine. the guy himself doesn't like wine at all but he HAD to have Trump wine.
USA can be a scary place
Quote from: slslbs on December 19, 2018, 07:23:03 PM
it's scary but there are a lot of people who really think he's doing an amazing job
I know someone who's dad was in Virginia, stopped at Trump winery (there is such a thing) and bought several cases of Trump wine. the guy himself doesn't like wine at all but he HAD to have Trump wine.
USA can be a scary place
Charlottesville. You remember that place? Yeah the one where the dude ran over the girl protesting? The place with the white kids with the tiki torches.... :shakehead: :shakehead: :shakehead: :shakehead:
Quote from: aphineday on December 18, 2018, 06:01:07 PM
(800) 684-3043
This is a real phone number... that Donald Trump's campaign set up so that the public can leave him thank you messages about how great he's doing. This is not a joke.
I've left many. Most recently: "My name is Craig Suter, and I just wanted you to know that every time I see a flag, I piss my pants, and drop to one knee in reverence of what you have accomplished. The best thing that ever happened to this country. God bless you Donald J. Trump" in a really shitty accent.
And then of course my real message with my real name: "Thank you? Are you kidding? I hope you along with every member of your scum sucking organization rots in prison"
Have fun!
hilarious. What a piece of shit.
I wish everyone would just lay of the Don. I mean, this witch hunt has gone on long enough. Everyone just needs to relax, and trust him (and Putin). The left has lost its mind and is so full of hysteria over a big fat nothing burger. Lets just get back to the work of making America great again! USA! USA! USA!
That's "nothing berder".
Quote from: rowjimmy on January 18, 2019, 11:00:25 AM
That's "nothing berder".
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At least Fox News is all over it with their current breaking news screenshot a moment ago.
Quote from: mbw on January 18, 2019, 11:47:42 AM
At least Fox News is all over it with their current breaking news screenshot a moment ago.
God Bless Fox. SOMEONE has to tell us the truth.
Well. That's that. Let's see what the details say, but I for one, am glad this witch hunt is finally over. The left wing/msm must feel like such fools, ha ha ha! There's so much winning, I can't stand it! Trump for dictator! USA USA USA!
Yeah guess he's clean as a whistle.....
...................................
Currently reading:
https://taibbi.substack.com/p/russiagate-is-wmd-times-a-million
Quote from: Hicks on March 25, 2019, 11:22:55 AM
Currently reading:
https://taibbi.substack.com/p/russiagate-is-wmd-times-a-million
Just coming to post that but Hicks always beating me to the punch. So I'll just say...
(https://i.imgur.com/zGHQb4O.gif?2)
Quote from: Hicks on March 25, 2019, 11:22:55 AM
Currently reading:
https://taibbi.substack.com/p/russiagate-is-wmd-times-a-million
thanks for the reading material.
What I'm trying to understand is, if there was no collusion, then why did EVERYONE lie about their contacts with anyone and anything Russian related? Why all this secrecy? Why not just be open and honest about all of this?
Honestly, we still don't know shit.
Barr is not what one would call a reliable witness here, so his letter is not to be trusted as authoritative on the matter.
I'm just resigning myself to the fact that this guy is going to be president the next 6 years.
Quote from: mbw on March 25, 2019, 01:12:53 PM
I'm just resigning myself to the fact that this guy is going to be president the next 6 years.
THIS. Unfortunately.
Where the true patriots at?
Fuck these Russia-tit suckling GOP money grabbing fuckfaces.
Honestly, the world is fucked, the 21st century is going to be fucking brutal until we're dead.
Apologies to my kid.
Quote from: mehead on March 25, 2019, 01:21:13 PM
Quote from: mbw on March 25, 2019, 01:12:53 PM
I'm just resigning myself to the fact that this guy is going to be president the next 6 years.
THIS. Unfortunately.
I did not see one lick of news over the past 10 days and I have to say, it felt amazing. It's not like i have any chance of changing someone's mind these days. It's become such a partisan mindset that most people will blindly follow whoever has the chance of winning, no matter what the cost. At least I know what effect I can have with my vote and even my current PM, who I voted for, has had his shortcomings. Dependent on his competition this year, I don't think he'll be getting my vote come the election.
I'm seriously considering just blocking out the whole steaming pile of shit and just seal off my bubble so as to live out my days in peace.
It can really take its toll on your psyche.
he didn't say there was no collusion or no obstruction of justice. They can't prove that there was, or wasn't. Of course, that nuance is totally lost on the WH, Fox, the GOP enablers, and the Trump supporters.
Quote from: mbw on March 25, 2019, 01:12:53 PM
I'm just resigning myself to the fact that this guy is going to be president the next 6 years.
6 years? Such optimism.
Quote from: rowjimmy on March 25, 2019, 12:31:33 PM
Honestly, we still don't know shit.
Barr is not what one would call a reliable witness here, so his letter is not to be trusted as authoritative on the matter.
True. But still...
Quote from: mattstick on March 25, 2019, 01:23:40 PM
Honestly, the world is fucked, the 21st century is going to be fucking brutal until we're dead.
Until we're dead? Such optimism.
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on March 25, 2019, 01:48:47 PM
It can really take its toll on your psyche.
Welcome back! And yes, it can.
Apologies to my psyche.
Our justice system is built off "Innocent until proven guilty" though. So in the eyes of our nation, nothing to see here.
Quote from: mbw on March 25, 2019, 01:12:53 PM
I'm just resigning myself to the fact that this guy is going to be president the next 6 years.
Yep. He was officially re-elected yesterday. He now has seemingly legit ammo in his paranoid war against all these "witch hunts" out to get him.
Add that to the massive but weak field of democrats and trump 2020 is a lock.
The doom and gloom here is hilarious. Today is literally no different from Thursday except Mueller is packing his office. We have no idea what's in the report and we likely will not know for some time. If you expected different, you have been walking around with your eyes closed.
Today we have before us the exact same task as last week, mount a successful campaign to oust this monster from the White House.
That is all.
It has long been our one and only hope.
While Taibbi may not be wrong about the utter incompetence of a news media that has been financially gutted by the internet and can no longer function without selling salacious headlines and a "point of view" as opposed to "just the facts," he may be missing the point that Trump still may face some major legal woes.
Read this thread:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1109913558333210629.html (https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1109913558333210629.html)
Also, I don't buy that the Dems' massive field of Presidential hopefuls will keep them from winning the White House back. I'm more worried that the Dems will put forward a woman or person of color out of spite and end up losing because this country still houses so many fucking racists. Not saying they HAVE to put forward a white man, but it really needs to be someone middle-America will vote for...
Also, we desperately need to kill voter restrictions EVERYWHERE. Make no mistake, Trump won thanks to strict voter ID, etc. in states that should have gone for Hillary. The Right's march toward a permanent majority is succeeding and must be destroyed.
Mueller didn't change 2020. Remeber, Clinton got impeached and won.
it's about turnout
Trump won with less votes then Romney lost with
The Dems need to get motivated, either with positive passion for a candidate or negative passion for Trump
Voter suppression laws must be overturned.
It's about nominating Bernie IMO.
He's the one candidate that speaks to white anger (i.e. most of this country) on both sides of the aisle.
Quote from: rowjimmy on March 25, 2019, 03:31:59 PM
The doom and gloom here is hilarious. Today is literally no different from Thursday except Mueller is packing his office. We have no idea what's in the report and we likely will not know for some time. If you expected different, you have been walking around with your eyes closed.
Today we have before us the exact same task as last week, mount a successful campaign to oust this monster from the White House.
That is all.
It has long been our one and only hope.
I'm not filled with doom and gloom because of this. I honestly never thought anything would come of it, and if it did, it would just bounce off of him like everything else.
That is where my doom and gloom comes from. the fact that this guy appears unstoppable no matter what. Him hovering around 50% approval rating despite what an incompetent slimeball everyone knows he is tells me he isn't going anywhere.
Quote from: Hicks on March 25, 2019, 04:23:18 PM
It's about nominating Bernie IMO.
He's the one candidate that speaks to white anger (i.e. most of this country) on both sides of the aisle.
I think he's probably our best shot, and it's for that exact reason. Biden would be a mistake because he's too establishment and doesn't speak to those people like Trump did. Having said that, Bernie comes with a major problem (hence my worrying about the 2020 field), and it's not moderates and/or Middle America. It's actually the left. Basically, it's what Dave was getting at. I can see the base tearing itself apart over "giving it to another old white guy."
Quote from: ytowndan on March 25, 2019, 05:58:06 PM
Quote from: Hicks on March 25, 2019, 04:23:18 PM
It's about nominating Bernie IMO.
He's the one candidate that speaks to white anger (i.e. most of this country) on both sides of the aisle.
I think he's probably our best shot, and it's for that exact reason. Biden would be a mistake because he's too establishment and doesn't speak to those people like Trump did. Having said that, Bernie comes with a major problem (hence my worrying about the 2020 field), and it's not moderates and/or Middle America. It's actually the left. Basically, it's what Dave was getting at. I can see the base tearing itself apart over "giving it to another old white guy."
I didn't even think about that perspective, and I can see the majority in the established left think nominating a person of color or woman is the way to the WH, but I think Biden's idea of him and someone like Stacy Abrams as his VP is the way to get both things covered...the old white dude, for all the racists and white folks, and the colored women, for the rest of us. We have to join racists and people of color and women all under one tent to beat this guy. (I'd also accept Bernie/Kamala, I just used Biden/Abrams as an example)
Isn't running a couple of corporate Democrats what got us here?
Sanders/Gabbard 2020. Go left or go home.
Am I the only one that is happy that there was no conspiracy uncovered? Jeez, how fucked up would shit have gotten if he did find something? Civil war would not be out of the question imo.
For me, this gives us an opportunity to focus on the insane policies this administration is choosing and when the economy dips within the next 18 months anything is possible.
Other than that dickwad taking any responsibility of course.
think about Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, and PA.
Will Bernie, or someone with his left leaning philosophy, win those states?
I think not
Left - Center (or center - left) would be a great improvement over what we have now, and in many ways a good 1st step.
imo a moderate (even a moderate right, but that's not possible) would be a great improvement over Trump.
Anyone who respects the Constitution, balance of power, and freedom of speech / press would be a great improvement over Trump
accuse me of being wishy - washy, I'll accept that
just trying to be pragmatic.
Quote from: slslbs on March 25, 2019, 07:14:03 PM
think about Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, and PA.
Will Bernie, or someone with his left leaning philosophy, win those states?
I think not
Well, he won Michigan and Wisconsin in 2016, up against the Clinton DNC machine and essentially a media blackout, so...yeah.
he won the PRIMARY in MI and WI, which is not the same voting population as the general. Not even the same as all the Dem voters in the general. Not even close
I like him, don't get me wrong. I'm not sure that everyone is ready for all that he is saying. I'm not, for that matter .
Quote from: slslbs on March 25, 2019, 07:14:03 PM
think about Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, and PA.
Will Bernie, or someone with his left leaning philosophy, win those states?
I think not
Left - Center (or center - left) would be a great improvement over what we have now, and in many ways a good 1st step.
imo a moderate (even a moderate right, but that's not possible) would be a great improvement over Trump.
Anyone who respects the Constitution, balance of power, and freedom of speech / press would be a great improvement over Trump
accuse me of being wishy - washy, I'll accept that
just trying to be pragmatic.
Democratic voters attempting to be pragmatic is what got us here, as did moderation which was the hallmark of Obama's administration and partly why his accomplishments have been so easily undone.
It's fire and brimstone time and I suspect Bernie's the only one who can bring it.
I respectfully disagree
What got us here is that the party coronated Hillary in 2015. And she did a shitty job campaigning. And Trump got his base fired up. And James Comey's report didn't help. And then there's the Russians...
I suspect Biden would have beaten Trump, but he would have had a tough time against Hillary's machine in the primaries so he may never have gotten the chance
I'm worried that there are too many hats in the democratic pool.
On the plus side, a lot of my family and friends in the Deep South are done with trump. Not the ones who can just lap his Cheeto piss up...they are still in a jizzy stupor.
If the 2016 election were held today, I think Hillary would win. I think the country just wants sanity and stability at this point.
Quote from: Bobafett on March 25, 2019, 10:26:19 PM
I'm worried that there are too many hats in the democratic pool.
On the plus side, a lot of my family and friends in the Deep South are done with trump. Not the ones who can just lap his Cheeto piss up...they are still in a jizzy stupor.
What about out west?
Lotta peope still in the jizzy stupor.
Quote from: Hicks on March 25, 2019, 04:23:18 PM
It's about nominating Bernie IMO.
He's the one candidate that speaks to white anger (i.e. most of this country) on both sides of the aisle.
The more I hear from Pete Buttigieg the more I like.
I'd like a strong democratic candidate that isn't pushing 80 years old.
Quote from: jam> on March 26, 2019, 10:19:00 AM
I'd like a strong democratic candidate that isn't pushing 80 years old.
Pete Buttigieg
Seems relevant
https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf
Quote from: runawayjimbo on April 18, 2019, 11:32:30 AM
Seems relevant
https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf (https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf)
some light reading for a Thursday morning
Quote from: emay on April 18, 2019, 11:34:30 AM
Quote from: runawayjimbo on April 18, 2019, 11:32:30 AM
Seems relevant
https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf (https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf)
some light reading for a Thursday morning
beach reading! :mrgreen:
Quote from: gah on April 18, 2019, 12:24:17 PM
Quote from: emay on April 18, 2019, 11:34:30 AM
Quote from: runawayjimbo on April 18, 2019, 11:32:30 AM
Seems relevant
https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf (https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf)
some light reading for a Thursday morning
beach reading! O0
Its almost like you're reading in dark mode with all those extracted sections.
(https://i.redd.it/0q07hehlm1t21.jpg)
Lots more excerpts are sure to come flying out in the next 24 hours as everyone pores over the report, but here's one I just saw on the WaPo:
"If we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state."
— Mueller's report
If you are still drinking the MSNBC, #russiagate kool-aid, let Jimmy Dore and Aaron Maté of The Nation set you straight.
https://youtu.be/WOQXOV0PHL4
Quote from: mbw on July 25, 2019, 01:17:19 PM
If you are still drinking the MSNBC, #russiagate kool-aid, let Jimmy Dore and Aaron Maté of The Nation set you straight.
https://youtu.be/WOQXOV0PHL4
I'll stick with WaPo. That dude's a 9/11 Truther and not worth the clicks.
Quote from: rowjimmy on July 25, 2019, 01:24:42 PM
Quote from: mbw on July 25, 2019, 01:17:19 PM
If you are still drinking the MSNBC, #russiagate kool-aid, let Jimmy Dore and Aaron Maté of The Nation set you straight.
https://youtu.be/WOQXOV0PHL4
I'll stick with WaPo. That dude's a 9/11 Truther and not worth the clicks.
lol, who? Dore?
Did Bezos tell you that?
Quote from: mbw on July 25, 2019, 02:46:09 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on July 25, 2019, 01:24:42 PM
Quote from: mbw on July 25, 2019, 01:17:19 PM
If you are still drinking the MSNBC, #russiagate kool-aid, let Jimmy Dore and Aaron Maté of The Nation set you straight.
https://youtu.be/WOQXOV0PHL4
I'll stick with WaPo. That dude's a 9/11 Truther and not worth the clicks.
lol, who? Dore?
Did Bezos tell you that?
Actually a well-sourced page on rationalwiki did.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Jimmy_Dore
Check your fake news, bro.
Quote from: rowjimmy on July 25, 2019, 03:33:09 PM
Quote from: mbw on July 25, 2019, 02:46:09 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on July 25, 2019, 01:24:42 PM
Quote from: mbw on July 25, 2019, 01:17:19 PM
If you are still drinking the MSNBC, #russiagate kool-aid, let Jimmy Dore and Aaron Maté of The Nation set you straight.
https://youtu.be/WOQXOV0PHL4
I'll stick with WaPo. That dude's a 9/11 Truther and not worth the clicks.
lol, who? Dore?
Did Bezos tell you that?
Actually a well-sourced page on rationalwiki did.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Jimmy_Dore
Check your fake news, bro.
meh, a healthy dose of skepticism doesn't make you a 9/11 truther.
him and Mate are on the money with russiagate.