8/31 - Dick's Sporting Goods Park - Denver, Co - Post-Show Discussion and Review

[Marmar]

I get what the dude is sayin, he's just saying it all wrong.

ymmv

[Itsnotanexperience]

This CDT is truly an amazing jam - one of my favorite jams they've ever played.   The only change I would make is to trim the ending by about two minutes, otherwise I think it's out-fucking-standing.   I really disliked most of the summer tour for many reasons, but this version and the jamming sounds authoritative.   Fish really shines but even Trey brings the right mix of restraint and attack.   Page and Mike are money throughout.

I will take this and the Tahoe Tweezer with more frequency, please.  Size, it seems, actually usually does matter.  More 20+ min jams please.   Are there any bad 20+ min jams in 3.0?

I think not.

[sophist]

This CDT is truly an amazing jam - one of my favorite jams they've ever played.   The only change I would make is to trim the ending by about two minutes, otherwise I think it's out-fucking-standing.   I really disliked most of the summer tour for many reasons, but this version and the jamming sounds authoritative.   Fish really shines but even Trey brings the right mix of restraint and attack.   Page and Mike are money throughout.

I will take this and the Tahoe Tweezer with more frequency, please.  Size, it seems, actually usually does matter.  More 20+ min jams please.   Are there any bad 20+ min jams in 3.0?

I think not.

That Albany '09 Ghost and 7 Below is a steaming pile of shit.

[Itsnotanexperience]

This CDT is truly an amazing jam - one of my favorite jams they've ever played.   The only change I would make is to trim the ending by about two minutes, otherwise I think it's out-fucking-standing.   I really disliked most of the summer tour for many reasons, but this version and the jamming sounds authoritative.   Fish really shines but even Trey brings the right mix of restraint and attack.   Page and Mike are money throughout.

I will take this and the Tahoe Tweezer with more frequency, please.  Size, it seems, actually usually does matter.  More 20+ min jams please.   Are there any bad 20+ min jams in 3.0?

I think not.

That Albany '09 Ghost and 7 Below is a steaming pile of shit.

Fair enough - and agreed.

[sophist]

sophist - the herpes sore of 3.0 hating, just when you think an outbreak is out of the question - BOOM. 

[VDB]

This CDT is truly an amazing jam - one of my favorite jams they've ever played.   The only change I would make is to trim the ending by about two minutes, otherwise I think it's out-fucking-standing.   I really disliked most of the summer tour for many reasons, but this version and the jamming sounds authoritative.   Fish really shines but even Trey brings the right mix of restraint and attack.   Page and Mike are money throughout.

I will take this and the Tahoe Tweezer with more frequency, please.  Size, it seems, actually usually does matter.  More 20+ min jams please.   Are there any bad 20+ min jams in 3.0?

I think not.

That Albany '09 Ghost and 7 Below is a steaming pile of shit.

I wasn't going to use the term "steaming pile of shit" but I was going to point out the same thing. It's largely a sprawling blend of meandering and wankage and does little for me.

Can't wait for Gumbo to chime in on this one.

[Lifeboy]

This CDT is truly an amazing jam - one of my favorite jams they've ever played.   The only change I would make is to trim the ending by about two minutes, otherwise I think it's out-fucking-standing.   I really disliked most of the summer tour for many reasons, but this version and the jamming sounds authoritative.   Fish really shines but even Trey brings the right mix of restraint and attack.   Page and Mike are money throughout.

I will take this and the Tahoe Tweezer with more frequency, please.  Size, it seems, actually usually does matter.  More 20+ min jams please.   Are there any bad 20+ min jams in 3.0?

I think not.

That Albany '09 Ghost and 7 Below is a steaming pile of shit.

I wasn't going to use the term "steaming pile of shit" but I was going to point out the same thing. It's largely a sprawling blend of meandering and wankage and does little for me.

Can't wait for Gumbo to chime in on this one.

LOL, I almost responded with "paging Gumbo"

But I agree, ppl creamed their jeans over that Ghost and 7 Below, only because they were 20+ minutes... but they were flat-out awful. I admit, I was even blinded by the awfulness bc of the timings, but when it wore off, I quickly realized that both jams were just awful.

[Itsnotanexperience]

This CDT is truly an amazing jam - one of my favorite jams they've ever played.   The only change I would make is to trim the ending by about two minutes, otherwise I think it's out-fucking-standing.   I really disliked most of the summer tour for many reasons, but this version and the jamming sounds authoritative.   Fish really shines but even Trey brings the right mix of restraint and attack.   Page and Mike are money throughout.

I will take this and the Tahoe Tweezer with more frequency, please.  Size, it seems, actually usually does matter.  More 20+ min jams please.   Are there any bad 20+ min jams in 3.0?

I think not.

That Albany '09 Ghost and 7 Below is a steaming pile of shit.

I wasn't going to use the term "steaming pile of shit" but I was going to point out the same thing. It's largely a sprawling blend of meandering and wankage and does little for me.

Can't wait for Gumbo to chime in on this one.

LOL, I almost responded with "paging Gumbo"

But I agree, ppl creamed their jeans over that Ghost and 7 Below, only because they were 20+ minutes... but they were flat-out awful. I admit, I was even blinded by the awfulness bc of the timings, but when it wore off, I quickly realized that both jams were just awful.

All that said and my bold declarations notwithstanding, I still find the CDT to be fucking sick and I'm somewhat confused more people don't enjoy it.   The interplay between everyone is excellent;  Trey actually sounds like he's doing what he wants without much tentative play and fish is ridiculous.    There's some gorgeous melodies in there and some serious, GOOD, permagroove work.   All in all - really great jam, and not just for 3.0.   I find it superior to Dick's '12 and at least on par with the 2010 super version.

[Marmar]

Personally......I find the transition from Chalkdust > Jam at around the 9-10 minute mark when Fish shifts into gear to be the definition of what Phish was (is) all about.....

No BS, just shift into space gear and bounce among galaxies.

It seems as if they are almost trying to really "find" themselves again from time to time. I kinda get why they were so anti-20+ for so long now after hearing the evolution of the Jam in 3.0 Phish. They couldn't hook up before.....now they seem at least a little more willing to have those musical conversations with each other. Hopefully, like riding a bike, it will continue to gradually come back to them and we can coin that leap as just

The whale still needs to get put back in captivity......just sayin......

[Itsnotanexperience]

Personally......I find the transition from Chalkdust > Jam at around the 9-10 minute mark when Fish shifts into gear to be the definition of what Phish was (is) all about.....

No BS, just shift into space gear and bounce among galaxies.

It seems as if they are almost trying to really "find" themselves again from time to time. I kinda get why they were so anti-20+ for so long now after hearing the evolution of the Jam in 3.0 Phish. They couldn't hook up before.....now they seem at least a little more willing to have those musical conversations with each other. Hopefully, like riding a bike, it will continue to gradually come back to them and we can coin that leap as just

The whale still needs to get put back in captivity......just sayin......

Agreed, totally.

All in all, I realized while I was listening to this version that they sound fucking tight and bold and worthy of our/my time again in their improv and that it had me moving for over 20 minutes.    I hate the longass ending as it's so pathetically long, but I also recognize that's a live show staple of sorts and it does little to take away from my overall satisfaction of the entire jam.   

[VDB]

I enjoyed the CDT on first listen but I haven't revisited since. Keep meaning to.

INAE, what do you mean by "2010 super version"?

[Hicks]

I enjoyed the CDT on first listen but I haven't revisited since. Keep meaning to.

INAE, what do you mean by "2010 super version"?

6-25-10

[VDB]

I enjoyed the CDT on first listen but I haven't revisited since. Keep meaning to.

INAE, what do you mean by "2010 super version"?

6-25-10

But of course. That one was a nice unexpected treat.

[Marmar]

EVERY...and I mean EVERY worthy jam they have ever played has that total group gear shift at one point in the song that takes it to the next level of type II and beyond.

I dare you to find one that doesn't have one. My ears are trained on it at every show....to listen for that group shift.....cuz when it happens, BLISS.

[Itsnotanexperience]

I enjoyed the CDT on first listen but I haven't revisited since. Keep meaning to.

INAE, what do you mean by "2010 super version"?

6-25-10

But of course. That one was a nice unexpected treat.

Sorry - I can never think of the date for that one.