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Politiw00kchat / Re: Special Counsel investigation
« Last post by slslbs on Yesterday at 07:42:39 PM »
he won the PRIMARY in MI and WI, which is not the same voting population as the general. Not even the same as all the Dem voters in the general. Not even close

I like him, don't get me wrong. I'm not sure that everyone is ready for all that he is saying. I'm not, for that matter .
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Politiw00kchat / Re: Special Counsel investigation
« Last post by mbw on Yesterday at 07:34:22 PM »
think about Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, and PA.
Will Bernie, or someone with his left leaning philosophy, win those states?
I think not

Well, he won Michigan and Wisconsin in 2016, up against the Clinton DNC machine and essentially a media blackout, so...yeah.
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Politiw00kchat / Re: Special Counsel investigation
« Last post by slslbs on Yesterday at 07:14:03 PM »
think about Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, and PA.
Will Bernie, or someone with his left leaning philosophy, win those states?
I think not
Left - Center (or center - left) would be a great improvement over what we have now, and in many ways a good 1st step.
imo a moderate (even a moderate right, but that's not possible) would be a great improvement over Trump.
Anyone who respects the Constitution, balance of power, and freedom of speech / press would be a great improvement over Trump

accuse me of being wishy - washy, I'll accept that
just trying to be pragmatic.
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Politiw00kchat / Re: Special Counsel investigation
« Last post by GBL on Yesterday at 07:12:19 PM »
Am I the only one that is happy that there was no conspiracy uncovered?  Jeez, how fucked up would shit have gotten if he did find something?  Civil war would not be out of the question imo.

For me, this gives us an opportunity to focus on the insane policies this administration is choosing and when the economy dips within the next 18 months anything is possible.

Other than that dickwad taking any responsibility of course.
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Politiw00kchat / Re: Special Counsel investigation
« Last post by mbw on Yesterday at 06:44:37 PM »
Isn't running a couple of corporate Democrats what got us here?
Sanders/Gabbard 2020.  Go left or go home.
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Politiw00kchat / Re: Special Counsel investigation
« Last post by gah on Yesterday at 06:28:41 PM »
It's about nominating Bernie IMO.

He's the one candidate that speaks to white anger (i.e. most of this country) on both sides of the aisle.

I think he's probably our best shot, and it's for that exact reason.  Biden would be a mistake because he's too establishment and doesn't speak to those people like Trump did.  Having said that, Bernie comes with a major problem (hence my worrying about the 2020 field), and it's not moderates and/or Middle America.  It's actually the left.  Basically, it's what Dave was getting at.  I can see the base tearing itself apart over "giving it to another old white guy."

I didn't even think about that perspective, and I can see the majority in the established left think nominating a person of color or woman is the way to the WH, but I think Biden's idea of him and someone like Stacy Abrams as his VP is the way to get both things covered...the old white dude, for all the racists and white folks, and the colored women, for the rest of us. We have to join racists and people of color and women all under one tent to beat this guy. (I'd also accept Bernie/Kamala, I just used Biden/Abrams as an example)
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Politiw00kchat / Re: Special Counsel investigation
« Last post by ytowndan on Yesterday at 05:58:06 PM »
It's about nominating Bernie IMO.

He's the one candidate that speaks to white anger (i.e. most of this country) on both sides of the aisle.

I think he's probably our best shot, and it's for that exact reason.  Biden would be a mistake because he's too establishment and doesn't speak to those people like Trump did.  Having said that, Bernie comes with a major problem (hence my worrying about the 2020 field), and it's not moderates and/or Middle America.  It's actually the left.  Basically, it's what Dave was getting at.  I can see the base tearing itself apart over "giving it to another old white guy."
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General Topic Discussion / Re: Vinyl
« Last post by susep on Yesterday at 05:22:54 PM »
Received my BN Sam Rivers - Contours today.  Looks killer as expected.     
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Politiw00kchat / Re: Special Counsel investigation
« Last post by mbw on Yesterday at 04:25:16 PM »
The doom and gloom here is hilarious. Today is literally no different from Thursday except Mueller is packing his office. We have no idea what's in the report and we likely will not know for some time. If you expected different, you have been walking around with your eyes closed.

Today we have before us the exact same task as last week, mount a successful campaign to oust this monster from the White House.

That is all.

It has long been our one and only hope.

I'm not filled with doom and gloom because of this.  I honestly never thought anything would come of it, and if it did, it would just bounce off of him like everything else.
That is where my doom and gloom comes from.  the fact that this guy appears unstoppable no matter what.  Him hovering around 50% approval rating despite what an incompetent slimeball everyone knows he is tells me he isn't going anywhere.
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Politiw00kchat / Re: Special Counsel investigation
« Last post by Hicks on Yesterday at 04:23:18 PM »
It's about nominating Bernie IMO.

He's the one candidate that speaks to white anger (i.e. most of this country) on both sides of the aisle.
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