01/01 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review

blatboom · January 09, 2011, 12:16:46 AM

Quote from: Hicks on January 09, 2011, 12:00:52 AM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on January 08, 2011, 07:49:27 PM
Quote from: Hicks on January 08, 2011, 06:38:10 PM
I don't see how anyone could listen to the Twist, Simple sequence and not think it is easily the best 20 minute sequence of the run. Probably some of the best improv I have heard since the Greek Light.

I can't see that.

I just re-visited this segment -- I enjoyed it a lot, Trey's playing is on point.... BUT..... where's my type 2 yo?!

The only REAL jamming out of this segment is literally the last 2:30 of Simple. Everything else is pretty straight forward.

It may not be type II but the Twist has the effortless quality that has been missing, so I give high marks for that.

yes, the whole set has that feel to me.

Superfreakie · January 09, 2011, 12:18:08 AM

Quote from: emayPhishyMD on January 07, 2011, 10:36:42 AM
Some parts of 12/30 it seemed like he couldn't keep in sync with fishman for the life of him...

This. But he also had this trouble to begin the evening of 1/1/11. See Foam. But on this note I'm going to eek out one criticism which I really thought I would of never said about this run. Fishman was really off at times. To the point where I think some of trey's lapses should be attributed to Fishman's confusion. Now, maybe he had a couple wobbly pops, it was NYE after all, but after impressing me throughout 2010 as the most improved, I was really surprised at his playing during these MSG shows. Have yet to fully digest the woosta nights.

blatboom · January 09, 2011, 12:21:57 AM

it just seems like for whatever reason Trey's fingers can't do what his brain is telling them to

emay · January 09, 2011, 11:05:17 AM

Quote from: blatboom on January 09, 2011, 12:21:57 AM
it just seems like for whatever reason Trey's fingers can't do what his brain is telling them to

well we know why that is on 1/1 :smoke: :smoke: :smoke:

WhatstheUse? · January 10, 2011, 09:42:09 PM

Maybe I'm being naive, but I still think Trey is completely sober -- even on NYE.

Buffalo Budd · January 10, 2011, 09:46:08 PM

Quote from: WhatstheUse? on January 10, 2011, 09:42:09 PM
Maybe I'm being naive, but I still think Trey is completely sober -- even on NYE.

I'm right there with ya. Nothing I've seen indicates he's on anything and I would imagine he has a sponsor on tour with them (not to mention all eyes on him). So that would make it pretty difficult to indulge.

postjack · January 10, 2011, 10:35:35 PM

Quote from: WhatstheUse? on January 10, 2011, 09:42:09 PM
Maybe I'm being naive, but I still think Trey is completely sober -- even on NYE.

agreed. sometimes its hard for people to accept that stunt just rhymes really well with blunt. also blunts are pretty much always hilarious, even if you don't get high.

McGrupp · January 10, 2011, 10:58:31 PM

If trey isn't "sober", it's probably just a beer or two, here and there. Probably not MJ or anything else though.

But I could be totally wrong, he might be dead sober. I have no idea.

WhatstheUse? · January 11, 2011, 02:47:51 AM

no jamz = no drugz

It's as simple as that! :-D

McGrupp · January 11, 2011, 03:12:27 AM

Trey hates jamz AND drugz!

sophist · January 11, 2011, 08:41:22 AM

I think his musical ideas are proof enough he's dead sober. His playing is the antithesis of psychedelia these days. He no longer has the Jedi-tone, or is in touch with that dimension. When Phish does venture into psychedelic territory, Trey always seems to be the one that is lost (even in that 12/30 Tweezer).

mattstick · January 11, 2011, 08:44:25 AM

People need to realize that the Makisupa "keyword" is a song lyric, not some admission of drug use from Trey.

postjack · January 11, 2011, 08:49:15 AM

Quote from: sophist on January 11, 2011, 08:41:22 AM
I think his musical ideas are proof enough he's dead sober. His playing is the antithesis of psychedelia these days. He no longer has the Jedi-tone, or is in touch with that dimension. When Phish does venture into psychedelic territory, Trey always seems to be the one that is lost (even in that 12/30 Tweezer).

Not fair and you know it. Continued psychedelic use is not necessary to tap into the creativity inspired by past psychedelic experiences. For example, I think its fair to state that things only got fucking weirder for Tom Waits after he got clean.

Buffalo Budd · January 11, 2011, 09:00:45 AM

Quote from: mattstick on January 11, 2011, 08:44:25 AM

People need to realize that the Makisupa "keyword" is a song lyric, not some admission of drug use from Trey.

What!?!? :crazy:
And to think all these years, I thought he was trying to tell us something. :wink:

sls.stormyrider · January 11, 2011, 09:21:44 AM

Quote from: sophist on January 11, 2011, 08:41:22 AM
I think his musical ideas are proof enough he's dead sober. His playing is the antithesis of psychedelia these days. He no longer has the Jedi-tone, or is in touch with that dimension. When Phish does venture into psychedelic territory, Trey always seems to be the one that is lost (even in that 12/30 Tweezer).

I've said this before, but John Coltrane, Sonny Rollins, Miles Davis and others have proven that it is possible to be creative, jam, and improvise after one stops using drugs.
All you need to do is practice / rehearse
more recently-
George Harrison stopped using acid in 67, before Abbey road and before All Things Must Pass
Pete Townsend stopped before Quadrophenia.
Phil Lesh stopped a long time ago - not sure when, but I suspect before he married Jill
and Zappa never used, but his music is among the most far out there I've heard

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