So it looks like bt.etree.com and db.etree.com are both gone! Does anyone have any info on what is going on?
09/17 15:28 mgoldey : db.etree will be back shortly. no idea about bt.etree
09/17 15:31 squints777 : IS the problem at btetree monetary? or is it just drama?
09/17 15:33 mgoldey : all drama
09/17 15:33 mgoldey : and lack of site maintenance or improvement over a period of 15 years
09/17 15:35 mgoldey : heh, the other problem is that UNC is under a foot of water so they can't do any support on the servers at the moment
09/17 15:35 mgoldey : but that will change soon enough
Man,that sucks. I Love bt.etree. I would just grab random shows sometimes and stoke gold, other times the music was crap. But the thrill of the dig is what kept me going.
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Greetings friend!
etree.org has been the worldwide leader in legal lossless live music trading for quite a while now. And, as with any old dog learning new tricks, we got a little rickety.
We know you're concerned.
The Server Team is currently working hard to get things up and rolling again. Really hard. Trust us.
So - thanks for your patience while the new "tricks" get hammered smooth. And don't fear!
ETREE IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE AND WILL BE BACK SOON!!
Maybe some questions we can answer:
• are you guys ok?
A: YES! It's work, but we love it!
• do you know what happened around aug 21st?
A: YES! When we get everything straight we'll let everyone hear the whole story...
• is there anything - I - can do to help?
A: YES! Bear with us while we figure out what that may be. .... ......
• does anyone need me to miracle my extra VIP package tickets with round trip airfare and everything included to Riviera Mara?
A: YES! Bring 'em on!!!
Thanks again, truly, for the selfless contributions YOU have made all this time to make etree.org the best community in music!
Cheers,
Your etree.org Server Team
Quote from: Hicks on September 17, 2018, 07:26:43 PM
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Greetings friend!
etree.org has been the worldwide leader in legal lossless live music trading for quite a while now. And, as with any old dog learning new tricks, we got a little rickety.
We know you're concerned.
The Server Team is currently working hard to get things up and rolling again. Really hard. Trust us.
So - thanks for your patience while the new "tricks" get hammered smooth. And don't fear!
ETREE IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE AND WILL BE BACK SOON!!
Maybe some questions we can answer:
• are you guys ok?
A: YES! It's work, but we love it!
• do you know what happened around aug 21st?
A: YES! When we get everything straight we'll let everyone hear the whole story...
• is there anything - I - can do to help?
A: YES! Bear with us while we figure out what that may be. .... ......
• does anyone need me to miracle my extra VIP package tickets with round trip airfare and everything included to Riviera Mara?
A: YES! Bring 'em on!!!
Thanks again, truly, for the selfless contributions YOU have made all this time to make etree.org the best community in music!
Cheers,
Your etree.org Server Team
OK. But when will then be now?
Quote from: tet on September 17, 2018, 07:31:33 PM
Quote from: Hicks on September 17, 2018, 07:26:43 PM
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Greetings friend!
etree.org has been the worldwide leader in legal lossless live music trading for quite a while now. And, as with any old dog learning new tricks, we got a little rickety.
We know you're concerned.
The Server Team is currently working hard to get things up and rolling again. Really hard. Trust us.
So - thanks for your patience while the new "tricks" get hammered smooth. And don't fear!
ETREE IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE AND WILL BE BACK SOON!!
Maybe some questions we can answer:
• are you guys ok?
A: YES! It's work, but we love it!
• do you know what happened around aug 21st?
A: YES! When we get everything straight we'll let everyone hear the whole story...
• is there anything - I - can do to help?
A: YES! Bear with us while we figure out what that may be. .... ......
• does anyone need me to miracle my extra VIP package tickets with round trip airfare and everything included to Riviera Mara?
A: YES! Bring 'em on!!!
Thanks again, truly, for the selfless contributions YOU have made all this time to make etree.org the best community in music!
Cheers,
Your etree.org Server Team
OK. But when will then be now?
You
just missed it!
Quote from: ytowndan on September 17, 2018, 07:40:29 PM
Quote from: tet on September 17, 2018, 07:31:33 PM
Quote from: Hicks on September 17, 2018, 07:26:43 PM
Quote
Greetings friend!
etree.org has been the worldwide leader in legal lossless live music trading for quite a while now. And, as with any old dog learning new tricks, we got a little rickety.
We know you're concerned.
The Server Team is currently working hard to get things up and rolling again. Really hard. Trust us.
So - thanks for your patience while the new "tricks" get hammered smooth. And don't fear!
ETREE IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE AND WILL BE BACK SOON!!
Maybe some questions we can answer:
• are you guys ok?
A: YES! It's work, but we love it!
• do you know what happened around aug 21st?
A: YES! When we get everything straight we'll let everyone hear the whole story...
• is there anything - I - can do to help?
A: YES! Bear with us while we figure out what that may be. .... ......
• does anyone need me to miracle my extra VIP package tickets with round trip airfare and everything included to Riviera Mara?
A: YES! Bring 'em on!!!
Thanks again, truly, for the selfless contributions YOU have made all this time to make etree.org the best community in music!
Cheers,
Your etree.org Server Team
OK. But when will then be now?
You just missed it!
Soon!
Quote from: Hicks on September 17, 2018, 07:55:14 PM
Quote from: ytowndan on September 17, 2018, 07:40:29 PM
Quote from: tet on September 17, 2018, 07:31:33 PM
Quote from: Hicks on September 17, 2018, 07:26:43 PM
Quote
Greetings friend!
etree.org has been the worldwide leader in legal lossless live music trading for quite a while now. And, as with any old dog learning new tricks, we got a little rickety.
We know you're concerned.
The Server Team is currently working hard to get things up and rolling again. Really hard. Trust us.
So - thanks for your patience while the new "tricks" get hammered smooth. And don't fear!
ETREE IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE AND WILL BE BACK SOON!!
Maybe some questions we can answer:
• are you guys ok?
A: YES! It's work, but we love it!
• do you know what happened around aug 21st?
A: YES! When we get everything straight we'll let everyone hear the whole story...
• is there anything - I - can do to help?
A: YES! Bear with us while we figure out what that may be. .... ......
• does anyone need me to miracle my extra VIP package tickets with round trip airfare and everything included to Riviera Mara?
A: YES! Bring 'em on!!!
Thanks again, truly, for the selfless contributions YOU have made all this time to make etree.org the best community in music!
Cheers,
Your etree.org Server Team
OK. But when will then be now?
You just missed it!
Soon!
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mgoldey still leading the charge, I see...
Does anyone remember the beta version of what was supposed to be the "new" bt.etree? This was maybe 8 years ago, it was a gazelle tracker, just like what.cd. I hope something like that can happen again, it was very clean and modern. It seemed like it was all ready to launch and there was talk that they were gonna go public, but then it just died for no explicable reason (at least that I knew of). Pretty flaky management I suppose.
From Mark Goldey:
There's quite a bit of misinformation here, so let me sort things out a bit. Gonna do this in the shortest way possible.
1) A few weeks ago, on 8/21, db.etree increased the security of logins because someone contacted us and explained a security breach he had found, and we fixed it.
2) This temporarily broke logins on bt.etree because the bt site never developed its own user sign up or authentication system. We told Trey, the bt admin who still runs the site, what was done and how to upgrade to bt site to use the new system, but it took something like 3 weeks until 9/14 or so. Y'all saw that, I suspect. No idea why, but Trey has a real life and we all do, too.
3) One side effect of being unable to log in to bt.etree is that you couldn't upload. 'Cause, you need to log in to upload, right? If you were still logged in via your browser and did upload, the torrent wouldn't seed because the site couldn't authenticate the seeder when he did the intiial download. (Or something along those lines. I don't run bt.etree and as you'll see I don't try to fix it.)
4) At the same time, there's something wrong with the bt site. Well, there are lots of things wrong with it, but specifically the seeder/leecher info, which was never really accurate all these years -- you've probably experienced this if you seed there -- stopped updating on the web page itself.
5) Even though the list of peers was being fed to the backend database from the bt tracker, when you went to bt.etree.org the website list of torrents wouldn't update properly because, by default it only shows active seeds, and the website itself couldn't find any active seeds. I don't really understand why, since the database itself works. It's probably the code on the bt.etree website, which really hasn't been meaningfully maintained or updated in 10 or 12 years. Tom and I pointed out what we could and checked with the site host that the database scripts were running with the correct user permissions, etc., but that's about all we could do.
6) On Friday night, 9/14, an old-time etree admin (not Trey) threw a hissy fit when he couldn't fix the bt site. He blamed Tom Anderson and me for these problems, and then decided all on his own that db.etree wouldn't be part of etree any more. Nevermind that the db has been around for 18 years and longer than the bt tracker, and that the ownership of etree.org is a community resource.
7) This person controls the etree.org DNS. And he likes to act out, so he decided to redirect db.etree.org from ibiblio at UNC, where it's hosted, to some other server that's configured to throw an error, with no explanation. If you've seen the "ngnix" message, that's the one. He also put up the various "goodbye" messages that you've seen and the strange login page that does nowhere. This sort of thing has happened before, you may recall if you've been in the community long enough.
8) Nothing has happened to db.etree except that the site won't load anymore because you wind up someplace else. Tom and I will attend to that once UNC dries out a bit from hurricane Florence and they can give us some assistance to solve the DNS problem. Nothing to do but wait. But your list is still there. The db is still there. That's not going to change.
9) As for bt.etree itself, I can't say. It was never really my problem, although lord knows I put a lot of time into supporting site users who couldn't get help from the "server team" over the years. Indeed, that's how I know many of you. In any case, bt is no longer my problem. I hope the site is restored soon, but I can't say because I don't know.
Hope that's useful information. As before, you can reach the db team at etreedb@googlegroups.com, which hasn't changed all these years. (Babies can't change Google's DNS, you know?).
Thanks for the update, Jason! Glad to hear the db hasn't lost all its entries or anything crazy like that.
and now http://mgoldey.no-ip.info/joel is down too. fuckin' crazy weather.
the new db site is up at:
https://db.etreedb.org/
I figured you guys would have know...
Back under my rock...
Terry
I sure hope that bt.etree comes back!
How else are we going to share phish AUDs???
Quote from: metawhy on September 25, 2018, 06:30:03 PM
I sure hope that bt.etree comes back!
How else are we going to share phish AUDs???
Me too.
I've always longed for a Phish site analogous to LL, workingmanstracker, or Jerome's Place, if anyone remembers that tracker.
I went to LL the other day for the 1st time in years. they deactivated my account for lack of interest
my account on the dime is still active. Haven't checked TDD lately
Well, we probably don't want the hassle but who's got the coding skills (and time) to start a site?
No reason not to use Lossless Legs if you have Phish AUDs to share...
There are a couple people in the hub who are volunteers on the new bt site, which is currently having its bugs worked out by the dev team. It's going to be an all new tracker and forum. So unless something major has changed in the last couple of days since we last spoke, it'll be back all new and improved.
Quote from: ytowndan on September 26, 2018, 09:27:34 AM
There are a couple people in the hub who are volunteers on the new bt site, which is currently having its bugs worked out by the dev team. It's going to be an all new tracker and forum. So unless something major has changed in the last couple of days since we last spoke, it'll be back all new and improved.
Sweet
Quote from: rowjimmy on September 26, 2018, 08:59:46 AM
Well, we probably don't want the hassle but who's got the coding skills (and time) to start a site?
Not 100% there skill wise but am currently in an advanced web dev class. Down to help in whatever way possible!
Quote from: KingOfPrussia2155 on September 26, 2018, 10:20:11 AM
Quote from: rowjimmy on September 26, 2018, 08:59:46 AM
Well, we probably don't want the hassle but who's got the coding skills (and time) to start a site?
Not 100% there skill wise but am currently in an advanced web dev class. Down to help in whatever way possible!
I know how to bitch and rant about usability issues.
Quote from: mattstick on September 26, 2018, 09:19:24 AM
No reason not to use Lossless Legs if you have Phish AUDs to share...
Strictly speaking, this is true.
But Phish is a sub-culture at LL, which will always be Dead focused.
I just thought it might be nice to have a place where you don't have random crusty old deadheads popping up in chat or in the comments to remind you how much they think Phish sucks.
Quote from: mopper_smurf on September 26, 2018, 12:05:15 PM
Quote from: KingOfPrussia2155 on September 26, 2018, 10:20:11 AM
Quote from: rowjimmy on September 26, 2018, 08:59:46 AM
Well, we probably don't want the hassle but who's got the coding skills (and time) to start a site?
Not 100% there skill wise but am currently in an advanced web dev class. Down to help in whatever way possible!
I know how to bitch and rant about usability issues.
Ive been told this is useful!
Anyone know what the story is with bt.etree.org?
As far as I know, the site isn't up. But in my torrent client, I've left the old RSS feed/filter setup to automatically download all Phish torrents, and I've downloaded 6 or 7 new torrents in the past few days. Weird...
It looks up
strange. when I go to bt.etree.org, it still redirects me to: https://pro.etree.org/login.php
and I see this:
(https://i.postimg.cc/QddKq4K1/Screenshot_from_2018-10-08_18-33-29.png)
and even more concerning is the note at the top of bt.etree.org. "bt.etree.org and db.etree are back! These are the official etree.org websites, accept no substitutes! More updates to come!"
While I use the bt.etree site all the time, it's replaceable (and hasn't been maintained or updated in a very long time. The db, however, is irreplaceable (and I have personally put in thousands of hours keeping track of stuff). I know that the db and bt folks have long standing disagreements. When the sites went down a few weeks ago, Tom and Mark (who control db) put it back up here: https://db.etreedb.org/ Right now, that and the original http://db.etree.org/ are both active.
This is just going to cause confusion, as it's unlikely that anything entered at one will show up at the other site. And in this context, the statement at the top of bt.etree.org about "accept no substitutes" seems like a direct jab at the db folks, who just tried to keep things going when etree went down. Does anyone know what's really going on there?
Quote from: jasonsobel on October 08, 2018, 06:44:11 PM
and even more concerning is the note at the top of bt.etree.org. "bt.etree.org and db.etree are back! These are the official etree.org websites, accept no substitutes! More updates to come!"
While I use the bt.etree site all the time, it's replaceable (and hasn't been maintained or updated in a very long time. The db, however, is irreplaceable (and I have personally put in thousands of hours keeping track of stuff). I know that the db and bt folks have long standing disagreements. When the sites went down a few weeks ago, Tom and Mark (who control db) put it back up here: https://db.etreedb.org/ Right now, that and the original http://db.etree.org/ are both active.
This is just going to cause confusion, as it's unlikely that anything entered at one will show up at the other site. And in this context, the statement at the top of bt.etree.org about "accept no substitutes" seems like a direct jab at the db folks, who just tried to keep things going when etree went down. Does anyone know what's really going on there?
I sent a pm to someone in SHNfamily who's a volunteer over at the new bt, hopefully he'll have more info. I'll post when I hear back, but I agree 100%. That remark reads like some kind of trollish pot shot.
I've been discussing where to store future PH Source Info (Tom's DB.DB or ETREE's "accept no substitute" DB) with Matt Vernon and Jeff Mitchell... I'll let you know what we decide...
But to put to rest one point of speculation above, any entry onto Tom's DB.DB does not show up on ETREE's DB, and vice versa. A day or so ago, I entered a new Source into DB.DB and its not on ETREE DB. The last show there was added back before the Crash (ph1994-04-25 methinks).
For now, if anyone has any new Sources, please hold off on adding them to DB (or DB.DB) until we figure this all out...
Thanks!
Terry
I think the email from Tom this afternoon makes it clear all future efforts should move over to https://db.etreedb.org/
They got hacked, broke the rest of etree.org for a month, got kicked out of etree.org and stole user account data, in violation of etree.org privacy policy, You're okay with that?
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Quote from: nab on September 26, 2018, 12:32:13 PM
Quote from: mattstick on September 26, 2018, 09:19:24 AM
No reason not to use Lossless Legs if you have Phish AUDs to share...
Strictly speaking, this is true.
But Phish is a sub-culture at LL, which will always be Dead focused.
I just thought it might be nice to have a place where you don't have random crusty old deadheads popping up in chat or in the comments to remind you how much they think Phish sucks.
This is part of the reason I no longer use the site. I spent a few years seeding (2 sources per day was my limit) every phish source I have there in case something like this happened. I wanted a place for people to go to get Phish. In the long run, it didn't work out. 99% of the people at LL don't care about Phish, and when asked if i could have my moderator status back (I was bumped down to a seederwhen I left)so that I could continue with the Phish project, they hesitated and said they would discuss it. I don't think they want the increase in membership. I know they are working on a new bt site, so with that in kind, I think everything will work out just as it's supposed to.
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