12/31/2011 Madison Square Garden, New York, NY
Set I: AC/DC Bag, Wolfman's Brother, Scent of a Mule, Stealing Time from the Faulty Plan, Lawn Boy, Gotta Jiboo, Farmhouse, Pebbles and Marbles, Ocelot, Fluffhead
Set II: Party Time, Light > Golden Age, Theme from the Bottom, Heavy Things, Ghost, Sneaking Sally through the Alley, 46 Days, Suzy Greenburg
Set III: Cavern, Steam*> Auld Lang Syne, Down with Disease**, The Wedge, Alaska, Velvet Sea, First Tube
Encore: Slave to the Traffic Light
*Steam inspired gag with a steaming tea kettle, floating and steaming hipsters, keyboard, guitar, speaker, and vacuum?
**with Trey and Mike steaming above the stage, then once lowered they ran circles around the stage
Quote from: Augustus on December 31, 2011, 06:10:48 PM
Calling an ACDC Bag opener and a Steam-inspired gag.... :wink:
Sleeper nye show? Last years looks twice as good as this...
man. This run had one good show, two decent shows, and a sub-par NYE show, I would give this NYE run a B- :|
glad I caught the 29 & 30
Quote from: emayPhishyMD on January 01, 2012, 12:58:21 AM
Sleeper nye show? Last years looks twice as good as this...
man. This run had one good show, two decent shows, and a sub-par NYE show, I would give this NYE run a B- :|
glad I caught the 29 & 30
B- is generous. This was easily the worst NYE run period.
Quote from: runawayjimbo on January 01, 2012, 01:02:12 AM
Quote from: emayPhishyMD on January 01, 2012, 12:58:21 AM
Sleeper nye show? Last years looks twice as good as this...
man. This run had one good show, two decent shows, and a sub-par NYE show, I would give this NYE run a B- :|
glad I caught the 29 & 30
B- is generous. This was easily the worst NYE run period.
Tonight was embarrassing
What about the FUN?!?!?!?!
Quote from: rowjimmy on January 01, 2012, 01:14:10 AM
What about the FUN?!?!?!?!
I'm sure the droogz were insane
Dear PH:
Please, just quit already!
Terry
Alaska into velvet? What was matt saying about trey closing shows? :hereitisyousentimentalbastard
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on January 01, 2012, 01:36:15 AM
Alaska into velvet? What was matt saying about trey closing shows? :hereitisyousentimentalbastard
C'mon dude, he had to save Slave for the encore slot.
I never in my life thought I'd say this, but: So, So, So So, SO glad I didn't find the money to make these shows. Fuck this phoned in bullshit. Not one jam the whole fucking night.
Anyone notice Trey favoring his left wrist during the past couple nights? Lots of shaking it in between sections and holding and kneading it after a tune.
Joe knows Phish better than ANYONE!
:clap:
so that Piper was the jam of the run?
setlist made me lol tonight.
moe. fucking rocked the house the last 2 nights.
decision I made = win
people can keep chasing "the" show. probably going to find it in a different venue than where trye is at.
sorry to hate but if you had fun at this msg run, it's probably more the people than the music.
They pretty much played everything they DIDN'T have to....
yikes
:shakehead:
Just went through the LST, a lot of hate in there! Havent listened to a wink of this run..
Don't care what ya'll think but there isnt a place i would have rather been than MSG :(
Hope the Paug' crew had a blast!
:wtu:
Here's a vid of Steam > Auld Lang Syne
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkbwTfSpJFo&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Quote from: rowjimmy on January 01, 2012, 01:14:10 AM
What about the FUN?!?!?!?!
I had fun and will be going back next year. No place else I'd rather be
Who's sticking around NYC today?
I had a great time as well. Happy new years.
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on January 01, 2012, 08:16:05 AM
I had a great time as well. Happy new years.
You ever not have a great time?
Came home @ 1am to see this setlist? This 3rd set is laughable :shakehead:
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on January 01, 2012, 01:36:15 AM
Alaska into velvet? What was matt saying about trey closing shows? :hereitisyousentimentalbastard
ouch.
Quote from: Augustus on January 01, 2012, 08:17:29 AM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on January 01, 2012, 08:16:05 AM
I had a great time as well. Happy new years.
You ever not have a great time?
At Phish shows.... not usually.
The new years stunt was pretty cool. The paug crew was holding it down as the new years rang in!
Quote from: ytowndan on January 01, 2012, 01:55:53 AM
Anyone notice Trey favoring his left wrist during the past couple nights? Lots of shaking it in between sections and holding and kneading it after a tune.
Kinda reminded me of the other day when I was playing in a pickup game: this HS kid blocked my shot and I came down and acted like I tweaked ky knee.
Whatever it was, I saw Gordo giving him quite a few stinkeyes.
Quote from: mistercharlie on January 01, 2012, 06:52:56 AM
Here's a vid of Steam > Auld Lang Syne
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkbwTfSpJFo&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Might have been different if you were there but....... :tte:
Wow. Agree that it was a good decision to beg off the NYE run this year. Yowsa.
I shut it off during DWD, I was hoping to be surprised in the morning, but it was worse than I feared.
I guess the band thinks that this is what people want...?
At least Steam sounded pretty sick leading up to the balloon drop.
Steam is a fitting choice as the 3.0 train chugs along.
Quote from: Augustus on January 01, 2012, 11:17:48 AM
Steam is a fitting choice as the 3.0 train chugs along.
the chugging is over....this NYE run makes it official.....
(http://sidoxia.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/train-wreck.jpg?w=455)
Really don't understand why they would play so many of the heavy hitters over the first two nights.
Cities and Piper.
25 minutes of above average stuff.
they are what Trey said he never wanted them to be:
(http://www.postertrip.com/members/images/2715a.jpg)
Quote from: Augustus on January 01, 2012, 11:39:28 AM
Cities and Piper.
25 minutes of above average stuff.
I would potentially kick in Bowie too. I really liked how that meshed. Regardless, no exploring the whole run. I honestly have no idea how they could believe this is what people want...
Quote from: susep on January 01, 2012, 11:41:15 AM
they are what Trey said he never wanted them to be:
(http://www.postertrip.com/members/images/2715a.jpg)
this
Quote from: aphineday on January 01, 2012, 11:46:06 AM
Quote from: Augustus on January 01, 2012, 11:39:28 AM
Cities and Piper.
25 minutes of above average stuff.
I would potentially kick in Bowie too. I really liked how that meshed. Regardless, no exploring the whole run. I honestly have no idea how they could believe this is what people want...
I don't think they believe this is what people want to hear. I just don't think they care at all or they just can't jam, explore or improv like they used to. Looking forward to summer 2012 - pffffft.
Is 01-01 still the best show of 2011?
Doesn't say much for the band's growth.
Quote from: mehead on January 01, 2012, 11:55:22 AM
Quote from: aphineday on January 01, 2012, 11:46:06 AM
Quote from: Augustus on January 01, 2012, 11:39:28 AM
Cities and Piper.
25 minutes of above average stuff.
I would potentially kick in Bowie too. I really liked how that meshed. Regardless, no exploring the whole run. I honestly have no idea how they could believe this is what people want...
I don't think they believe this is what people want to hear. I just don't think they care at all or they just can't jam, explore or improv like they used to. Looking forward to summer 2012 - pffffft.
I think its more of what Trey wants. More Indie/ Alt Rock style show...Ballads, a couple of funk jams (suzy, wolfmans) the rest is just playing songs straight thru, rockin out.
I actually thought Trey was better last night than the previous two, and I'm not feeling as negative as some of you this morning. Was a pretty boring new years show though, and once again there was minimal jamz. Completely forgettable run.
imo, UIC1, Blossom and every night of Dick's is better than 1.1.11.
This thread is sad. I know a bunch of folks who had a great time. Most of them like Phish though. Enjoy 2012.
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on January 01, 2012, 08:16:05 AM
I had a great time as well. Happy new years.
Always great running into you Scott!
Quote from: mattstick on January 01, 2012, 11:06:02 AM
I shut it off during DWD, I was hoping to be surprised in the morning, but it was worse than I feared.
I guess the band thinks that this is what people want...?
At least Steam sounded pretty sick leading up to the balloon drop.
Thanks again for the tix Matt!
Quote from: roggae on January 01, 2012, 12:40:04 PM
This thread is sad. I know a bunch of folks who had a great time. Most of them like Phish though. Enjoy 2012.
I'm sure if I had been there, I would have had a good time. At the end of the day, for me, it's still about the music brah. Nuff said.
Quote from: birdman on January 01, 2012, 07:59:11 AM
Quote from: rowjimmy on January 01, 2012, 01:14:10 AM
What about the FUN?!?!?!?!
I had fun and will be going back next year. No place else I'd rather be
Same wavelength.
Quote from: mehead on January 01, 2012, 12:46:05 PM
Quote from: roggae on January 01, 2012, 12:40:04 PM
This thread is sad. I know a bunch of folks who had a great time. Most of them like Phish though. Enjoy 2012.
I'm sure if I had been there, I would have had a good time. At the end of the day, for me, it's still about the music brah. Nuff said.
Exactly. I dig the music. I love when artists evolve. Haters gonna hate. "too many JAMZ" "too spacey" just imagine what folks thought when James murphy did LCD. It is the Lowest Common Denominator. I do think it's cool for everyone to have an opinion.
Shit was sick! Awesome show. If you weren't there, you missed it. One of the best new years shows I have attended....This thread is laughable.....so is this whole board really....shit pwned....
So if we're honest about what we thought after watching the show last night we're "laughable"?
I can be critical of the show without bashing those who were there, it would be nice if you could enjoy the show without looking down on those who didn't dig it.
Quote from: mattstick on January 01, 2012, 01:00:18 PM
So if we're honest about what we thought after watching the show last night we're "laughable"?
I can be critical of the show without bashing those who were there, it would be nice if you could enjoy the show without looking down on those who didn't dig it.
I have my opinion....you have yours....I'm giving you my perspective from what I experienced at the show. You can bash the show all you want, it's not changing my experience..What's laughable is that
every time they play a show everyone who wasn't there says what a shitty show it was when they're not really in a position to judge the show. You can certainly judge the music, good or bad, from what you saw on the stream or heard on the download, but you can't judge the show if you weren't there. There's a lot more to a New years Eve show than what and how they played...It's also laughable that people judge the show based on the setlist...I honestly couldn't have told you one song they played last night besides Steam and Disease because it didn't matter..
and it was great to finally meet redrum and mbird. We were holding down the floor. Anyway, sorry to be grumpy, I'm hungover like a mother!
I watched the show, it was pretty sub-par for what I expect from Phish and even below a standard of what they've played this year.
Part of reading the setlist and judging the show is looking for flow, sorely lacking in Phish these days.
I've had fun at almost every concert I've ever attended, I just hold Phish up to a higher standard than "I had fun". For as much as you had, you'll probably listen to this show start-to-finish one more time in your entire life, and once the "fun buzz" has worn off and you go to listen to Phish you won't pick this show.
I used to be there with you... it doesn't matter what they play, it's about the energy and the emotions, etc... but I've changed and become more critical because the band isn't progressing or getting better.
Personally, I wouldn't call it a good thing that you can't remember what they played.
Quote from: mattstick on January 01, 2012, 01:00:18 PM
So if we're honest about what we thought after watching the show last night we're "laughable"?
I can be critical of the show without bashing those who were there, it would be nice if you could enjoy the show without looking down on those who didn't dig it.
:clap:
Quote from: Caravan2001 on January 01, 2012, 01:11:02 PM
Quote from: mattstick on January 01, 2012, 01:00:18 PM
So if we're honest about what we thought after watching the show last night we're "laughable"?
I can be critical of the show without bashing those who were there, it would be nice if you could enjoy the show without looking down on those who didn't dig it.
I have my opinion....you have yours....I'm giving you my perspective from what I experienced at the show. You can bash the show all you want, it's not changing my experience..What's laughable is that every time they play a show everyone who wasn't there says what a shitty show it was when they're not really in a position to judge the show. You can certainly judge the music, good or bad, from what you saw on the stream or heard on the download, but you can't judge the show if you weren't there. There's a lot more to a New years Eve show than what and how they played...It's also laughable that people judge the show based on the setlist...I honestly couldn't have told you one song they played last night besides Steam and Disease because it didn't matter..
flip it around bro...much easier to fluff a show when you're there...also, based on these comments, your excitement from this show is coming from your experience, which is fine...just as you say, there is more to it than just what they played and how they played...that's why I go to shows but that's just me...you can remember 2 songs?
was that a dig at LCD Soundsystem up there?
Musically, the show was weak and predictable.
Glad you guys had fun, tho.
the LST was quite optimistic in the beginning of that show last night, especially me. I thought playing was quite solid in the first set despite the lackluster set list.
Party Time opener was fun and predictable and led to my show highlight, the Light > Golden Age. Playing was still solid imo and continued into Theme. Where this show fell off the deep end for me was the mid 2nd set Heavy Things followed by an 8 minute Ghost. Everyone was ready for this jam to go big, instead we saw them rush to the finish line with an extremely mild Sally slammed into 46 Days and then a raging as always Suzy(thanks Page)
Set 3 started off interestingly with Cavern, usually a closer of some kind. The energy was high and so was ours at home. Steam inspired some laughs because of August's 4pm call for a Bag opener and Steam Gag. Despite that Steam sounded really cool leading up to the balloons dropping, watching Trey and Mike run around the stage was something. I'm sure the folks dancing above translated better in the live experience. DWD was quite predictable as well, but that has never stopped us from loving it, the jam was nice and right when it found a real groove to continue forth into the new year oblivion, Trey shut the ship down for a fizzle and continued into The Wedge. Then things took a strange turn with Alaska and Velvet Sea, remember those mantras we always hear throughout our lives? "Timing is everything" and "location location location." First tube was through the roof energy I'm sure and who doesn't love a Slave encore.
Just calling it how it is, some people paid to see it at MSG, I paid $20 to watch from home, that is what? $2.50 more than what people paid to see that 12/31/91 show. My opinion is valid along with anyone else who listened in real time or since then. We wanted the show to be THE TITS but it just wasn't in most of our opinions.
If BlueBall RawkRipcord makes you happy then pay up. I still love this band but I'm happy at the moment paying to watch and be critical from home or my local shows.
Quote from: mattstick on January 01, 2012, 01:21:26 PM
Personally, I wouldn't call it a good thing that you can't remember what they played.
I am paying the price this morning.
I'm not sure what to say about last night's show. It was So Much FUN! but I'm not sure that that's a reason to write the whole show off even though the song selection was whack. The energy in the room was pretty serious, and I feel like Phish didn't capitalize on it like they should have. That said, they did some really good things that will be overlooked and they did some so-so things that people will rave about because of how fun it was. Either way, if you look for positives, you'll find positives, and if you're looking for things to hate, you'll find more than enough of that too.
There's no real way to be objective about this because it's just going to come down to people who were there vs people who weren't like always. I thought last night was a solid show, nothing to write home about but definitely one with some songs I'll revisit.
With a paid live simulcast, the rules of review have changed imo
wow this Ghost is actually fucking awesome. I really loved the groove Trey built at the end of it, when Page was rocking the organ before the slow-down.
But this proves exactly my point about 3.0 Phish: they want reliable, predictable stand-bys. That Ghost, however short, was packed with energy, and it was sick. They or Trey don't want to worry about wasting time searching for something cool for 15 minutes in a jam when they might come up empty, rather than reliably rocking out and building the energy to pop the top with some sick tension/release peaking. Thats really all it is. And thats fine, because its awesome.
Sure, it would be VERY welcome for them to pull an 11/28/09 Seven Below -> Ghost, which I think might be the best tandem of 3.0. I listened to those again the other day, and its just mindblowing where they went and how they got there in those 2 songs.
But back to NYE show, I was streaming up through Golden Age, and I thought the segue into it was horrible but I'll have to re-listen before I judge further. Totally forced singing by Trey before Fish and Mike had even settled into the song, but oh well.
All this said, I thought that the Light itself was amazing, and the Steam -> Jam -> ALS -> Disease was fucking SICK. I really wish they didn't abort the groove for The Wedge, but... you knew it was going to happen.
I'm still tripping.
Quote from: danje on January 01, 2012, 02:30:15 PM
I'm still tripping.
LOL!!! Best post of this thread.
Really though, glad it was fun for those in attendance. Judging it by the music though, it was more than meh-tastic.
Just to respond to mehead a bit up there, I respectfully disagree that they are incapable of jamming. The 5.26.11 Waves is very much proof of that IMO. The question is why don't they do this more often? Is it Trey? Yes, but I just can't nail down why? If he wants a big indie rock show, let him hit the road with his band, and get all flannel and stocking-hated out. I don't give two shits. When he plays with Phish though, I'd rather see some jam. Just my $.02.
3.0 is summed up on this thread.
there are some exceptions, but...
People at the show have a great time
People listening at home don't
When a "hater" goes to a show, he has a great time
Most of us continue to buy tix and go to shows.
I'll keep listening to 1.0
I know we give this guy shit but even Mr. Miner dubbed last night "An Anticlimactic Ending." http://phishthoughts.com/
Did he at least have FUN?!
Quote from: Augustus on January 01, 2012, 03:29:34 PM
Did he at least have FUN?!
Doesn't sound like it...
QuoteIf you had a great time last night, don't let my opinion devalue your experience—that makes no logical sense. I'm, sincerely, glad you enjoyed it. But as someone who loves Phish as much as each and every one of you with every cell in my body, I have to be honest and call it like I see it, and this was the most uninspired version of the band we've seen this year. The 2011 New Year's Run—as a whole—was a musical disappointment. Sure, we can make a CD of standout jams from the four night, but come on now, this was Phish on the holidays at MSG, and things simply didn't come to fruition. I wish the year was ending on a more upbeat musical note, but things are what they are.
I can have a awesome great fun time watching the webcast at home with all the friends that would be at the show, that doesnt make it a great show...Just cause I am not standing in the venue listening to the same meh music next to the same people I would be chilling with. I think the friends you are with really make the experience.
The Webcast is being at a show w/o dr00gs. Just cause I was spun or doing drugs at the show and had a blast doesnt make "the show" any better, it makes your experience better, duh. It would also make sitting through a chick flick a more exciting or entertaining experience, doesnt actually make the movie good.
Quote from: Augustus on January 01, 2012, 03:29:34 PM
Did he at least have FUN?!
apparently not
"Well, at least they at least saw one jam to fruition. In what has to be considered the least significant New Year's Eve show in Phish's hallowed career, the band chose straightforward and unadventurous playing for the duration of the most climactic night of the year, less a single highlight sequence in the second set —"Light > Golden Age." To have ended such a triumphant year in the flat musical fashion that has defined the past couple nights was nothing short of a travesty."
Had a blast last year at 12-30, mostly because I was with an old friend.
NYE sucked and 01-01 made me take an entire year off.
Energy, schmenergy.
Band is washed up and out of ideas.
My friend said when they walking off the stage after the third set page and fishman looked pissed and page like punted a ballon cuz he looked super mad...mike seemed a little bored the whole night, didnt even drop any bombs during the best part of fluffhead.
I thought the Golden Age jam was great. Short, but great. They seemed really hooked up on that groove.
Quote from: slslbs on January 01, 2012, 02:55:44 PM
3.0 is summed up on this thread.
there are some exceptions, but...
People at the show have a great time
People listening at home don't
When a "hater" goes to a show, he has a great time
Most of us continue to buy tix and go to shows.
I'll keep listening to 1.0
^^^
Quote from: birdman on January 01, 2012, 07:59:11 AM
Quote from: rowjimmy on January 01, 2012, 01:14:10 AM
What about the FUN?!?!?!?!
I had fun and will be going back next year. No place else I'd rather be
There you go, then.
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on January 01, 2012, 04:22:04 PM
I thought the Golden Age jam was great. Short, but great. They seemed really hooked up on that groove.
Agreed. That 2 minutes was the highlight of the night for me.
Quote from: mattstick on January 01, 2012, 04:48:11 PM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on January 01, 2012, 04:22:04 PM
I thought the Golden Age jam was great. Short, but great. They seemed really hooked up on that groove.
Agreed. That 2 minutes was the highlight of the night for me.
That "segue" from Light was real rough, tho.
Quote from: Augustus on January 01, 2012, 04:57:34 PM
Quote from: mattstick on January 01, 2012, 04:48:11 PM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on January 01, 2012, 04:22:04 PM
I thought the Golden Age jam was great. Short, but great. They seemed really hooked up on that groove.
Agreed. That 2 minutes was the highlight of the night for me.
That "segue" from Light was real rough, tho.
definitely. I was expecting the worst when they started Light, and I ended up being pleasantly surprise...and then disappointed at the segue (also because I don't particularly care for either song)
I used to be jealous of the phans who got to see Phish back in the 90s, but now I think the veterans should be jealous of the noobs, we actually get to enjoy the shows. Last night was, simply put, the greatest experience of my entire life. I do not care that they didn't take any risks. I do not care that they didn't jam. I do not care that they played Alaska and Velvet in the 3rd set. What I do care about is everyone in my section hugging each other during fluffhead. I care about seeing Lawn Boy and realizing how special of a song it is to experience live. I care about the smiles on Trey and Mike's faces as they ran around the stage in the 3rd set. Most importantly, I care that I live in a world where I get to experience this superhuman artistic experience. Thank you Phish
Quote from: Fluffhead234508 on January 01, 2012, 06:09:55 PM
I used to be jealous of the phans who got to see Phish back in the 90s, but now I think the veterans should be jealous of the noobs, we actually get to enjoy the shows. Last night was, simply put, the greatest experience of my entire life. I do not care that they didn't take any risks. I do not care that they didn't jam. I do not care that they played Alaska and Velvet in the 3rd set. What I do care about is everyone in my section hugging each other during fluffhead. I care about seeing Lawn Boy and realizing how special of a song it is to experience live. I care about the smiles on Trey and Mike's faces as they ran around the stage in the 3rd set. Most importantly, I care that I live in a world where I get to experience this superhuman artistic experience. Thank you Phish
Ecstasy is a helluva drug.
Quote from: Fluffhead234508 on January 01, 2012, 06:09:55 PM
I used to be jealous of the phans who got to see Phish back in the 90s, but now I think the veterans should be jealous of the noobs, we actually get to enjoy the shows. Last night was, simply put, the greatest experience of my entire life. I do not care that they didn't take any risks. I do not care that they didn't jam. I do not care that they played Alaska and Velvet in the 3rd set. What I do care about is everyone in my section hugging each other during fluffhead. I care about seeing Lawn Boy and realizing how special of a song it is to experience live. I care about the smiles on Trey and Mike's faces as they ran around the stage in the 3rd set. Most importantly, I care that I live in a world where I get to experience this superhuman artistic experience. Thank you Phish
lol.
fluffhugs for everyone!
show sucked. :|
Shit was fun.
I danced. A lot.
I high-fived my friends and strangers many many times.
I was very high.
I enjoyed most of the music.
I dont regret spending the money on tickets - I'm extremely glad I went.
I hope everyone had a wonderful new years eve. Mine was fucking fantastic.
Quote from: McGrupp on January 01, 2012, 06:24:27 PM
Shit was fun.
I danced. A lot.
I high-fived my friends and strangers many many times.
I was very high.
I enjoyed most of the music.
I dont regret spending the money on tickets - I'm extremely glad I went.
I hope everyone had a wonderful new years eve. Mine was fucking fantastic.
:beers:
awesome!
My new years was pretty sweet. They dropped balloons with money in them and I got $139! :rawk:
Only people worse than the haters are those that need to justify their good time at a Phish show.
Love ya, Georgie.
Quote from: Fluffhead234508 on January 01, 2012, 06:09:55 PM
I used to be jealous of the phans who got to see Phish back in the 90s, but now I think the veterans should be jealous of the noobs, we actually get to enjoy the shows. Last night was, simply put, the greatest experience of my entire life. I do not care that they didn't take any risks. I do not care that they didn't jam. I do not care that they played Alaska and Velvet in the 3rd set. What I do care about is everyone in my section hugging each other during fluffhead. I care about seeing Lawn Boy and realizing how special of a song it is to experience live. I care about the smiles on Trey and Mike's faces as they ran around the stage in the 3rd set. Most importantly, I care that I live in a world where I get to experience this superhuman artistic experience. Thank you Phish
what were your musical highlights? we all know the experience factor. a lot of old people have been to NY on NYE and we get it. I'd like to hear what the musical highlights were. my memory isn't so good from the stream, being old and all.
Quote from: bvaz on January 01, 2012, 06:26:04 PM
Quote from: Fluffhead234508 on January 01, 2012, 06:09:55 PM
I used to be jealous of the phans who got to see Phish back in the 90s, but now I think the veterans should be jealous of the noobs, we actually get to enjoy the shows. Last night was, simply put, the greatest experience of my entire life. I do not care that they didn't take any risks. I do not care that they didn't jam. I do not care that they played Alaska and Velvet in the 3rd set. What I do care about is everyone in my section hugging each other during fluffhead. I care about seeing Lawn Boy and realizing how special of a song it is to experience live. I care about the smiles on Trey and Mike's faces as they ran around the stage in the 3rd set. Most importantly, I care that I live in a world where I get to experience this superhuman artistic experience. Thank you Phish
what were your musical highlights? we all know the experience factor. a lot of old people have been to NY on NYE and we get it. I'd like to hear what the musical highlights were. my memory isn't so good from the stream, being old and all.
Can't you read, you fucking vet?
Lawn Boy was his highlight.
Additionally, I'd like to add, that you either like what phish is doing right now, or you don't.
It's so simple.
Everyone has their opinions, of course, but this "show sucked" stuff is tiresome to read. It's not because it hurts my feelings, it's just fucking repetitive.
But obviously, this board is for expressing opinion. Maybe I'm just tired of this board.
Love you guys, but I see no reason to discuss 3.0 phish on here from here on out. It's becoming a hettier-than-thou musical taste contest, and honestly that's just fucking lame. :?
Can you still have fun?
Quote from: Augustus on January 01, 2012, 06:26:03 PM
Only people worse than the haters are those that need to justify their good time at a Phish show.
Love ya, Georgie.
You think I was trying to justify my good time with that post? I was just telling it like it is.
Quote from: McGrupp on January 01, 2012, 06:29:35 PM
Additionally, I'd like to add, that you either like what phish is doing right now, or you don't.
It's so simple.
Everyone has their opinions, of course, but this "show sucked" stuff is tiresome to read. It's not because it hurts my feelings, it's just fucking repetitive.
But obviously, this board is for expressing opinion. Maybe I'm just tired of this board.
Love you guys, but I see no reason do discuss 3.0 phish on here from here on out. It's becoming a hettier-than-thou musical taste contest, and honestly that's just fucking lame. :?
Can you still have fun?
What's repetitive is the same show Phish have been playing since Hampton 'o9.
Quote from: Augustus on January 01, 2012, 06:31:05 PM
Quote from: McGrupp on January 01, 2012, 06:29:35 PM
Additionally, I'd like to add, that you either like what phish is doing right now, or you don't.
It's so simple.
Everyone has their opinions, of course, but this "show sucked" stuff is tiresome to read. It's not because it hurts my feelings, it's just fucking repetitive.
But obviously, this board is for expressing opinion. Maybe I'm just tired of this board.
Love you guys, but I see no reason do discuss 3.0 phish on here from here on out. It's becoming a hettier-than-thou musical taste contest, and honestly that's just fucking lame. :?
Can you still have fun?
What's repetitive is the same show Phish have been playing since Hampton 'o9.
Eh, they vary a bit. :-)
Quote from: McGrupp on January 01, 2012, 06:30:46 PM
Quote from: Augustus on January 01, 2012, 06:26:03 PM
Only people worse than the haters are those that need to justify their good time at a Phish show.
Love ya, Georgie.
You think I was trying to justify my good time with that post? I was just telling it like it is.
Nope. Not geared toward you.
Seems like a LOT of people are trying to justify their awesome time on this run for no good reason.
Phish shows can be fun.
Musically, it wasn't anything different than they've been doing throughout all of 3.0.
Both gag and music were super safe.
Quote from: McGrupp on January 01, 2012, 06:32:09 PM
Quote from: Augustus on January 01, 2012, 06:31:05 PM
Quote from: McGrupp on January 01, 2012, 06:29:35 PM
Additionally, I'd like to add, that you either like what phish is doing right now, or you don't.
It's so simple.
Everyone has their opinions, of course, but this "show sucked" stuff is tiresome to read. It's not because it hurts my feelings, it's just fucking repetitive.
But obviously, this board is for expressing opinion. Maybe I'm just tired of this board.
Love you guys, but I see no reason do discuss 3.0 phish on here from here on out. It's becoming a hettier-than-thou musical taste contest, and honestly that's just fucking lame. :?
Can you still have fun?
What's repetitive is the same show Phish have been playing since Hampton 'o9.
Eh, they vary a bit. :-)
Any songs played this Run that haven't been played in 3.0?
Funny how Steam was the only original debuted this year and they anchored their gag on it.
Pretty much encapsulates the year rather well.
Quote from: McGrupp on January 01, 2012, 06:29:35 PM
Additionally, I'd like to add, that you either like what phish is doing right now, or you don't.
It's so simple.
Everyone has their opinions, of course, but this "show sucked" stuff is tiresome to read. It's not because it hurts my feelings, it's just fucking repetitive.
But obviously, this board is for expressing opinion. Maybe I'm just tired of this board.
Love you guys, but I see no reason to discuss 3.0 phish on here from here on out. It's becoming a hettier-than-thou musical taste contest, and honestly that's just fucking lame. :?
Can you still have fun?
but the view from the other side is after being disappointed by a show, some of us come here and read that the show was epic and was spectacular.
I haven't heard this show so I really shouldn't be typing in this thread. I admit that.
the fluffers not wanting to hear the hate is only one side of the story. the haters don't want to hear the fluff and half the fluff is about the experience and not the music.
you have a point in what you are saying. but there is also the other side of the line to consider.
glad you all had a great time. :beers:
I did enjoy the one show I saw in the run. I will continue to see random shows. but I must admit that it is pretty much nostalgia for me at this point while enjoying the brief highlights that most shows still bring.
Quote from: Augustus on January 01, 2012, 06:33:34 PM
Quote from: McGrupp on January 01, 2012, 06:30:46 PM
Quote from: Augustus on January 01, 2012, 06:26:03 PM
Only people worse than the haters are those that need to justify their good time at a Phish show.
Love ya, Georgie.
You think I was trying to justify my good time with that post? I was just telling it like it is.
Nope. Not geared toward you.
Seems like a LOT of people are trying to justify their awesome time on this run for no good reason.
Phish shows can be fun.
Musically, it wasn't anything different than they've been doing throughout all of 3.0.
Both gag and music were super safe.
Totally. We all knew it wasn't stellar phish. Kristina, my girlfriend, said she thought the show last night was "kinda weird", she knew the flow was off, and she even knows that 3.0 isn't the same band as 1.0.
Honestly, I was pretty damn disappointed with last nights music. But it didn't kill the night for me. I'm here to be happy. Sorry for having a good time, ya know? I don't know about Phish anymore. I don't know about the music they're making. The decisions they made over this run have been very questionable, and the novelty of seeing phish is sort of starting to wear off. I won't be spending NEARLY as much money on phish in 2012 as I did in the past 3 years, but I'm also not going to get all pissy and talk about how the shows I saw sucked.
Let's get our heads out of our asses (both positive heads and negative heads), and just be real and accept phish for what they are right now. You either like it, or you don't. Clearly a lot of people like it. More power to them.
Phluffhead12345678910 realllllly likes it.
If you thought Phish played a whack setlist last night, check out Widespread Panic's setlist from last night. Makes Phish look pretty damn good by comparison.
Quote from: phil on January 01, 2012, 06:48:12 PM
If you thought Phish played a whack setlist last night, check out Widespread Panic's setlist from last night. Makes Phish look pretty damn good by comparison.
Looks like they played about thirty songs I've never even heard of and had some horns and stuff?
Quote from: G. Augusto on January 01, 2012, 06:50:46 PM
Quote from: phil on January 01, 2012, 06:48:12 PM
If you thought Phish played a whack setlist last night, check out Widespread Panic's setlist from last night. Makes Phish look pretty damn good by comparison.
Looks like they played about thirty songs I've never even heard of and had some horns and stuff?
Twenty five of the worst songs you've ever heard and a few ones that are tolerable. And I guess they had some horns. LOL at Panic.
I'm wondering today how the band percieved that run....because at a few points the last few nights it seemed awkward enough that they could become career-re-examining shows. It seemed nostalgic--absolutely nothing new happened musically. Mike is tough to read onstage but he definitely gave Trey a handful of death stares. Fishman looked fat and didn't play all that well or seem like he was very into it either. It's all about Trey though, I seriously wonder what he is thinking with Alaska....also he was unprepared for this run, sloppiest playing technically in 3.0 imo, and he had to ask Mike what key numerous songs were in. I'm troubled by this run......and yes I know I take it too seriously. couch terr brings out the critic in me.
Now the 3.0ers know a little bit how Vegas 04 felt....
Didn't mean to start any controversy. I was simply pointing out that I had the time of my life and everyone should just stop complaining and enjoy the show. Its all subjective so there's no need to criticize people for enjoying a show even though I don't have a huge basis of comparison like some of you.
The whole first set was the highlight for me, particularly Jibboo and Fluffhead. I thought Golden Age was great, since it was my first one and I'm a huge TVOTR fan. And the slave encore was incredible. Sorry if my opinions are stupid
Who criticized anyone for enjoying the show?
My favorite part of the show was when the security guard poured a bucket of ice water on the "naked guy" in our section
Quote from: birdman on January 01, 2012, 07:26:14 PM
My favorite part of the show was when the security guard poured a bucket of ice water on the "naked guy" in our section
Worth the price of admission right there!
The only thing I could tell for certain, is that the 46 days melted my brain off.
Quote from: Augustus on January 01, 2012, 07:22:16 PM
Who criticized anyone for enjoying the show?
Several people, but I'm not really trying to get into an argument about this. I had an incredible time, sorry for those who didn't. Lets all have a blast this summer
Quote from: mattstick on January 01, 2012, 07:11:21 PM
Now the 3.0ers know a little bit how Vegas 04 felt....
Amen to that....that run was BRUTAL to say the least.....
Quote from: Augustus on January 01, 2012, 07:22:16 PM
Who criticized anyone for enjoying the show?
exactly.
sorry if the hate is "getting old", but that's the point of a review thread; to review the
music, which was pretty much terrible and uninspired.
Quote from: Lifeboy on January 01, 2012, 07:44:21 PM
Quote from: Augustus on January 01, 2012, 07:22:16 PM
Who criticized anyone for enjoying the show?
exactly.
sorry if the hate is "getting old", but that's the point of a review thread; to review the music, which was pretty much terrible and uninspired.
Well said. I'm not "hating" on any one or any thing, just not happy with the music I heard (overall) on this run.
Quote from: Fluffhead234508 on January 01, 2012, 07:20:38 PM
Didn't mean to start any controversy. I was simply pointing out that I had the time of my life and everyone should just stop complaining and enjoy the show. Its all subjective so there's no need to criticize people for enjoying a show even though I don't have a huge basis of comparison like some of you.
The whole first set was the highlight for me, particularly Jibboo and Fluffhead. I thought Golden Age was great, since it was my first one and I'm a huge TVOTR fan. And the slave encore was incredible. Sorry if my opinions are stupid
If it's all subjective isn't the hate as valid as the love?
Quote from: Augustus on January 01, 2012, 06:26:55 PM
Quote from: bvaz on January 01, 2012, 06:26:04 PM
Quote from: Fluffhead234508 on January 01, 2012, 06:09:55 PM
I used to be jealous of the phans who got to see Phish back in the 90s, but now I think the veterans should be jealous of the noobs, we actually get to enjoy the shows. Last night was, simply put, the greatest experience of my entire life. I do not care that they didn't take any risks. I do not care that they didn't jam. I do not care that they played Alaska and Velvet in the 3rd set. What I do care about is everyone in my section hugging each other during fluffhead. I care about seeing Lawn Boy and realizing how special of a song it is to experience live. I care about the smiles on Trey and Mike's faces as they ran around the stage in the 3rd set. Most importantly, I care that I live in a world where I get to experience this superhuman artistic experience. Thank you Phish
what were your musical highlights? we all know the experience factor. a lot of old people have been to NY on NYE and we get it. I'd like to hear what the musical highlights were. my memory isn't so good from the stream, being old and all.
Can't you read, you fucking vet?
Lawn Boy was his highlight.
LMAO :wtu: :tte:
Maybe we need two post show threads, one for those in attendance to talk about the experience and another called something crazy like "post show discussion and review."
Quote from: whatapiper on January 01, 2012, 08:11:34 PM
Maybe we need two post show threads, one for those in attendance to talk about the experience and another called something crazy like "post show discussion and review."
the other one could be titled "Phish is fucking Back!!"... :crazy:
Quote from: VA $l!m on January 01, 2012, 08:15:31 PM
Quote from: whatapiper on January 01, 2012, 08:11:34 PM
Maybe we need two post show threads, one for those in attendance to talk about the experience and another called something crazy like "post show discussion and review."
the other one could be titled "Phish is fucking Back!!"... :crazy:
:-D :clap:
Quote from: rowjimmy on January 01, 2012, 08:01:54 PM
Quote from: Fluffhead234508 on January 01, 2012, 07:20:38 PM
Didn't mean to start any controversy. I was simply pointing out that I had the time of my life and everyone should just stop complaining and enjoy the show. Its all subjective so there's no need to criticize people for enjoying a show even though I don't have a huge basis of comparison like some of you.
The whole first set was the highlight for me, particularly Jibboo and Fluffhead. I thought Golden Age was great, since it was my first one and I'm a huge TVOTR fan. And the slave encore was incredible. Sorry if my opinions are stupid
If it's all subjective isn't the hate as valid as the love?
Yes, not saying anyone's opinion is invalid. I just think its sad that someone could complain about something so incredible
Quote from: Fluffhead234508 on January 01, 2012, 08:59:57 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on January 01, 2012, 08:01:54 PM
Quote from: Fluffhead234508 on January 01, 2012, 07:20:38 PM
Didn't mean to start any controversy. I was simply pointing out that I had the time of my life and everyone should just stop complaining and enjoy the show. Its all subjective so there's no need to criticize people for enjoying a show even though I don't have a huge basis of comparison like some of you.
The whole first set was the highlight for me, particularly Jibboo and Fluffhead. I thought Golden Age was great, since it was my first one and I'm a huge TVOTR fan. And the slave encore was incredible. Sorry if my opinions are stupid
If it's all subjective isn't the hate as valid as the love?
Yes, not saying anyone's opinion is invalid. I just think its sad that someone could complain about something so incredible
And that's YOUR opinion. You are totally entitled to it, and I'm glad this did it for you!
MY opinion on the other hand is that this run was the weakest, most phoned-in, playing for a paycheck I've heard in a very long time.
anyone else catch all the video between sets? I'd love to watch those again.
Quote from: whatapiper on January 01, 2012, 09:09:10 PM
anyone else catch all the video between sets? I'd love to watch those again.
redrum posted these up on fb
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02ABCedWs9A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My1X_MC07YQ
Quote from: phil on January 01, 2012, 06:48:12 PM
If you thought Phish played a whack setlist last night, check out Widespread Panic's setlist from last night. Makes Phish look pretty damn good by comparison.
Panic setlist looks fucking money. Acoustic 2nd set = awesome.
Quote from: birdman on January 01, 2012, 07:59:11 AM
Quote from: rowjimmy on January 01, 2012, 01:14:10 AM
What about the FUN?!?!?!?!
I had fun and will be going back next year. No place else I'd rather be
Well said birdman, yes obviously this was not the strongest run ever....but we all knew it wouldn't be going into it....its 2012 now guys. not 1997.
really glad I was able to pull this whole run off, and birdman, thanks for letting me and the girlfriend hang out post show night 3. always great to see you and your brother. :beers:
Did anyone else scalp last night? For some reason it didn't hit me until just now how lucky I got finding a ticket for 100 from some random couple on the street. Just wondering if anyone else found anything outside msg.
thanks for the fishman vids
Quote from: McGrupp on January 01, 2012, 06:29:35 PM
Additionally, I'd like to add, that you either like what phish is doing right now, or you don't.
It's so simple.
Everyone has their opinions, of course, but this "show sucked" stuff is tiresome to read. It's not because it hurts my feelings, it's just fucking repetitive.
But obviously, this board is for expressing opinion. Maybe I'm just tired of this board.
Love you guys, but I see no reason to discuss 3.0 phish on here from here on out. It's becoming a hettier-than-thou musical taste contest, and honestly that's just fucking lame. :?
Can you still have fun?
somebody was super high on acid when posting. Peep the love fest.
Harshing the mellow'd
Quote from: Fluffhead234508 on January 01, 2012, 11:13:33 PM
Did anyone else scalp last night? For some reason it didn't hit me until just now how lucky I got finding a ticket for 100 from some random couple on the street. Just wondering if anyone else found anything outside msg.
Buddy of mine scored outside right about showtime--I think he paid ~$100, too.
Quote from: sophist on January 02, 2012, 09:48:20 AM
Quote from: McGrupp on January 01, 2012, 06:29:35 PM
Additionally, I'd like to add, that you either like what phish is doing right now, or you don't.
It's so simple.
Everyone has their opinions, of course, but this "show sucked" stuff is tiresome to read. It's not because it hurts my feelings, it's just fucking repetitive.
But obviously, this board is for expressing opinion. Maybe I'm just tired of this board.
Love you guys, but I see no reason to discuss 3.0 phish on here from here on out. It's becoming a hettier-than-thou musical taste contest, and honestly that's just fucking lame. :?
Can you still have fun?
somebody was super high on acid when posting. Peep the love fest.
Harshing the mellow'd
high on acid at 6pm the night after the show? i wish my L was that good. I was sober as a judge when I wrote that.
From some guy on twitter: "Things ive noticed: older fans were disappointed with the shows. younger fans loved them. people who werent there fucking hated them."
Sounds about right to me. :lol:
I didn't hate the shows, I enjoyed 12/28 and 12/30, but the feeling I had on 10/31/10 during set III was persistent throughout most of the webcast. This Phish just isn't worth the hassle of getting to these shows.
Anyone see any links to the recorded stream flash videos of of any this run... No links posted up on demonoid yet??
Quote from: Poster Nutbag on January 02, 2012, 12:13:54 PM
Anyone see any links to the recorded stream flash videos of of any this run... No links posted up on demonoid yet??
http://www.youtube.com/user/PhrankieC87?feature=watch
Quote from: mattstick on January 02, 2012, 12:09:28 PM
I didn't hate the shows, I enjoyed 12/28 and 12/30, but the feeling I had on 10/31/10 during set III was persistent throughout most of the webcast. This Phish just isn't worth the hassle of getting to these shows.
I was thinking during 12/31 this year that as long as Phish is playing, I can go to a show, and have a good time. But my attraction to the idea/action of seeing lots of show is wearing off, mainly because for 3 years I had been waiting for "that show" and it really never happened, and I don't think it's going to.
Phish are old, sober, and playing for paychecks to start trust funds for their kids. They're not youngsters tearing up the country with blistering rock and roll anymore. That's another thing, Mike was totally right in one of his voicemails when he said something along the lines of "I don't know what people are expecting us to do.... it's not 1993 anymore..."
As I said before, it should be clear to all of us that phish is playing shows for the sake of nostalgia. For me, and other kids who didn't get to see them pre-2004, we go for the nostalgia of something we never got to experience. Some people, it's a mix of a bit of both.
I'm not tired of people criticizing the music. What I'm tired of is, a. people expecting them to play like they did in the 90s, and b. people who are trying to put their musical tastes and opinions above others by simply saying "the shows sucked". Sure, the kids who ate way too much ecstasy are arguably as bad, but their opinions are easier to swallow for an optimist like me. The simple "shows sucked" posts are abrasive. At least expound on your opinion.
Anyway, that was a bit of a tangent. My main point of my post was to say that I'm kind of glad that Phish didn't completely blow me away this run and play the "best run evarrrr!" for personal reasons. I need to get my life together, finish up school, and start being a real human being. I'm sure a lot of people are in the same boat. The fact that I am already not worried about having to save up money for summer tour is already a huge relief. I'm sad I won't be seeing the Phish band play incredible music, but hey, if it's not gonna happen, it's not gonna happen.
All of that said, there is no place I would have rather been on new years eve than Madison Square Garden with Phish, my girlfriend, and a huge group of my friends.
I wish my curiosity wouldn't make me read these threads before I'd actually listened to said show. :|
anyone catch Fish ask Trey "you want to go over anything" just before the 2nd video ends? Easy to take just a snippet out of context but hey it's there
Thanks for the vids MBW
Quote from: nab on January 02, 2012, 12:31:35 PM
I wish my curiosity wouldn't make me read these threads before I'd actually listened to said show. :|
the only thing i have listened to from this run yet is piper.
its fucking great.
i might just stop there.
and the paug train goes choo-choo
Quote from: qop24 on January 02, 2012, 12:48:12 PM
and the paug train goes choo-choo
post of the thread.
Quote from: McGrupp on January 02, 2012, 12:29:50 PM
Quote from: mattstick on January 02, 2012, 12:09:28 PM
I didn't hate the shows, I enjoyed 12/28 and 12/30, but the feeling I had on 10/31/10 during set III was persistent throughout most of the webcast. This Phish just isn't worth the hassle of getting to these shows.
I'm not tired of people criticizing the music. What I'm tired of is, a. people expecting them to play like they did in the 90s, and b. people who are trying to put their musical tastes and opinions above others by simply saying "the shows sucked". Sure, the kids who ate way too much ecstasy are arguably as bad, but their opinions are easier to swallow for an optimist like me. The simple "shows sucked" posts are abrasive. At least expound on your opinion.
even though you're convinced I hate you, I respect your opinion and admire your love for 3.0 phish (notwithstanding your criticism in this same post).
for me, I like segues and jams. I don't even like the spacey type II jams that go no where. I prefer a solid 13-18 minute type I borderline type II jam. I fucking love possum when it was a 12 minute song that was just solid. now they just go through the motions with it. same can be said with bag.
I hate that wehn we start talking about the best parts of shows, we rave about RnR, C&P and Cities. Sorry guys, but those aren't phish songs. those are covers. I want to hear raves about a hood and a bowie and reba and ghost, etc. it fucking pisses me off that they are nailing songs other bands wrote and botching their own songs that we all know and love. even a great DWD. it was overplayed when they first released it (on the radio taboot) and now it is played more often than it was even played then.
I look at a setlist and see very few >'s with sets with 10 songs and then see 3 or 4 >'s with 14 songs. I like segues. phish lost that art.
and as much as I respect your opinion about people saying what they hated about the show, it is very rare to hear what people loved about the show. yeah, I get the experience. but what moved you musically? sometimes that gets mentioned but mostly, it's "I had the time of my life." to "me" that is just like saying the show sucked without any support.
as much as I hate on a lot of shows, I am sick of all this hate too and the attitude of these threads. I look forward to when there is no tour and this board turns back into what I like about it.
but I'm glad you all raged NY. wish I could have met up Thursday but I had to get in and set up. what is great to say is there will always be a next time.
Quote from: McGrupp on January 02, 2012, 12:29:50 PM
Quote from: mattstick on January 02, 2012, 12:09:28 PM
I didn't hate the shows, I enjoyed 12/28 and 12/30, but the feeling I had on 10/31/10 during set III was persistent throughout most of the webcast. This Phish just isn't worth the hassle of getting to these shows.
I was thinking during 12/31 this year that as long as Phish is playing, I can go to a show, and have a good time. But my attraction to the idea/action of seeing lots of show is wearing off, mainly because for 3 years I had been waiting for "that show" and it really never happened, and I don't think it's going to.
Phish are old, sober, and playing for paychecks to start trust funds for their kids. They're not youngsters tearing up the country with blistering rock and roll anymore. That's another thing, Mike was totally right in one of his voicemails when he said something along the lines of "I don't know what people are expecting us to do.... it's not 1993 anymore..."
As I said before, it should be clear to all of us that phish is playing shows for the sake of nostalgia. For me, and other kids who didn't get to see them pre-2004, we go for the nostalgia of something we never got to experience. Some people, it's a mix of a bit of both.
I'm not tired of people criticizing the music. What I'm tired of is, a. people expecting them to play like they did in the 90s, and b. people who are trying to put their musical tastes and opinions above others by simply saying "the shows sucked". Sure, the kids who ate way too much ecstasy are arguably as bad, but their opinions are easier to swallow for an optimist like me. The simple "shows sucked" posts are abrasive. At least expound on your opinion.
Anyway, that was a bit of a tangent. My main point of my post was to say that I'm kind of glad that Phish didn't completely blow me away this run and play the "best run evarrrr!" for personal reasons. I need to get my life together, finish up school, and start being a real human being. I'm sure a lot of people are in the same boat. The fact that I am already not worried about having to save up money for summer tour is already a huge relief. I'm sad I won't be seeing the Phish band play incredible music, but hey, if it's not gonna happen, it's not gonna happen.
All of that said, there is no place I would have rather been on new years eve than Madison Square Garden with Phish, my girlfriend, and a huge group of my friends.
+K, George. This was well said, and I definitely respect your POV here.
It's easy to sit on your ass and criticize when you aren't there. I thought Superball was equally as phoned in musically, and I was there. That being said, I still had a great time. I'm sure I would have raged the hell out of MSG.
Personally, I'm not necessarily looking for them to play like they did back in the '90s, but I know they can do much, much more than they are right now (ref. again the 5/28/11 Waves). I just hope we can get to THAT level on a regular basis and I'd be beyond stoked. I realize it will never be the Phish I knew in the 90's, and I'm cool with that. Nostalgia can still be fun.
If it's nostalgia, then do it right. Don't drop Wedge, Alaska, Velvet Sea in set III NYE.
Quote from: mattstick on January 02, 2012, 12:59:12 PM
If it's nostalgia, then do it right. Don't drop Wedge, Alaska, Velvet Sea in set III NYE.
definitely some validity in this statement.
its almost like "faking the funk". not funk as in music, but the fact that they try and pull out an original looking setlist without any soul to back it up.
Quote from: bvaz on January 02, 2012, 12:50:43 PMsometimes that gets mentioned but mostly, it's "I had the time of my life." to "me" that is just like saying the show sucked without any support.
as much as I hate on a lot of shows, I am sick of all this hate too and the attitude of these threads. I look forward to when there is no tour and this board turns back into what I like about it.
totally with you on all of the above. and no, I don't think you hate me.
btw, piper and cities were the only things that moved me during this run. Light was okay. a couple other highlights.
but yeah, it's a lot easier to post something very vague and positive when you were on drugs and when the show was a blur rather than when you were sitting at home on your couch stone cold sober listening to every note without thousands of people around you dancing and screaming their lungs out.
Quote from: bvaz on January 02, 2012, 12:50:43 PM
I am sick of all this hate too and the attitude of these threads. I look forward to when there is no tour and this board turns back into what I like about it.
So is the board a nostalgia act too? :-P
Honestly, I started feeling the same way after superball, minus the no tour thing. :)
the paug is so OVER!!!!
Quote from: bvaz on January 02, 2012, 12:50:43 PM
I am sick of all this hate too and the attitude of these threads. I look forward to when there is no tour and this board turns back into what I like about it.
i remember a time when bvaz loved hate, thrived on it, made him happy...... :shakehead:
wtf is this world coming to?
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on January 02, 2012, 01:30:56 PM
Quote from: bvaz on January 02, 2012, 12:50:43 PM
I am sick of all this hate too and the attitude of these threads. I look forward to when there is no tour and this board turns back into what I like about it.
i remember a time when bvaz loved hate, thrived on it, made him happy...... :shakehead:
wtf is this world coming to?
hate gave me hope for a better future of phish.
I seriously have no hope anymore for them.
in reality, MGB 12/9/11 was better musically than the phish shows I saw this year. nothing will beat the experience of a msg show but musically, it is just not going anywhere. reality sucks sometimes.
One thing that popped into my head is that how so many of you younger dudes came to the band during 2004-2009 when the band wasn't playing.
What made you guys love the band, having "fun" at the shows with your friends or the amazing music you heard coming through your speakers while you were sitting at home?
So I guess what I'm saying is that it's kind of ironic that people that find it frustrating that these shows are no fun to listen to at home are being labeled "haters", when it was the Phish that was good enough to listen to without being at the show was what exactly made a lot of us love the band in the first place.
Is wanting great music as well as a great show experience from this band really that unreasonable?
Quote from: McGrupp on January 02, 2012, 01:10:51 PM
Quote from: bvaz on January 02, 2012, 12:50:43 PMsometimes that gets mentioned but mostly, it's "I had the time of my life." to "me" that is just like saying the show sucked without any support.
as much as I hate on a lot of shows, I am sick of all this hate too and the attitude of these threads. I look forward to when there is no tour and this board turns back into what I like about it.
totally with you on all of the above. and no, I don't think you hate me.
btw, piper and cities were the only things that moved me during this run. Light was okay. a couple other highlights.
but yeah, it's a lot easier to post something very vague and positive when you were on drugs and when the show was a blur rather than when you were sitting at home on your couch stone cold sober listening to every note without thousands of people around you dancing and screaming their lungs out.
Lifeboy had me in tears.
Quote from: Hicks on January 02, 2012, 02:58:47 PM
One thing that popped into my head is that how so many of you younger dudes came to the band during 2004-2009 when the band wasn't playing.
What made you guys love the band, having "fun" at the shows with your friends or the amazing music you heard coming through your speakers while you were sitting at home?
So I guess what I'm saying is that it's kind of ironic that people that find it frustrating that these shows are no fun to listen to at home are being labeled "haters", when it was the Phish that was good enough to listen to without being at the show was what exactly made a lot of us love the band in the first place.
Is wanting great music as well as a great show experience from this band really that unreasonable?
To me it's not really that simple. I think you make a good point, but what it comes down to is that 3.0 phish just isn't the same band as it was once before.
I fell in love with 1.0 phish. At my first show, 3/6/09, I didn't really notice that they sounded "different". There was no "3.0 sound" to me at that time. Over the summer of 09, I started to recognize it, but I was still having fun at the shows and I think there was some good music being made.
The thing about 3.0 is, it's not ALL just good or bad. It's not black and white. There is good music and bad music. There is some 3.0 that I'd put up against 1.0.
It's kind of a downer to come back from a show where you had a spectacular time, only to read "show sucked. worst new years ever". I'm not saying those things might not be true, in fact, I'd agree, this probably was the worst new years run ever, but nobody wants to come home from a show only to read peoples opinions of it who weren't there, saying how much it sucked. I guess ignorance really is bliss in this case.
My MAIN point is that we should have all realized a long time ago that 3.0 is what it is. We should have realistic expectations of what the shows will be. I certainly didn't go into the run thinking "I might see the best phish show that's ever been played!" because, based on the history of 3.0, that's completely unrealistic.
Instead, I purchased my tickets and went into the show knowing that I was going to see a rawk concert, with some blissful moments of improv (hopefully more than fewer), and have a fucking BLAST seeing my favorite band and hanging out with my friends. It's TOTALLY not unreasonable to
want good music and a good experience, but it's pretty unrealistic to think that phish is anything except a nostalgic rock band.
I don't even know why we talk about it anymore, because it's so fucking glaringly obvious
what this band is right now. And it has been for a while.
Maybe my new years resolution will be to stop talking about/reading about 3.0 phish so I can spare myself the action of beating a horse to a pulp and talking in circles about this god damn band. :-)
Quote from: KingOfPrussia2155 on January 02, 2012, 03:13:58 PM
Quote from: McGrupp on January 02, 2012, 01:10:51 PM
Quote from: bvaz on January 02, 2012, 12:50:43 PMsometimes that gets mentioned but mostly, it's "I had the time of my life." to "me" that is just like saying the show sucked without any support.
as much as I hate on a lot of shows, I am sick of all this hate too and the attitude of these threads. I look forward to when there is no tour and this board turns back into what I like about it.
totally with you on all of the above. and no, I don't think you hate me.
btw, piper and cities were the only things that moved me during this run. Light was okay. a couple other highlights.
but yeah, it's a lot easier to post something very vague and positive when you were on drugs and when the show was a blur rather than when you were sitting at home on your couch stone cold sober listening to every note without thousands of people around you dancing and screaming their lungs out.
Lifeboy had me in tears.
you're welcome. :wink:
but ser, it's funny you say that. I shed a tear or two during Lifeboy in Miami. Definitely one of
those moments.
Quote from: mattstick on January 02, 2012, 12:59:12 PM
If it's nostalgia, then do it right. Don't drop Wedge, Alaska, Velvet Sea in set III NYE.
I like the wedge, but I'm with you on alaska and velvet. I was walking around saying 'why they gotta do me like that?!?!'
Didn't ruin my night though.
Quote from: McGrupp on January 02, 2012, 03:15:33 PM
The thing about 3.0 is, it's not ALL just good or bad. It's not black and white. There is good music and bad music. There is some 3.0 that I'd put up against 1.0.
it leads me again to the posint I made recently and why I disagree with this. in 3.0, I asked if there was a top 30 version of any phish staple song. aug mentioned the 12/4/09 yem, which was inded good. top 30 would taje some discussion but it was good so it is best left at that.
for me, I'm not paying $70 a show and following around a band to hear covers of rock n roll and crosseyed and painless and roses are free. give me a god damned killer hood to bring tears to my eyes.
I'm sorry but this band has been playing together so more than 25 years (with a few breaks). they should be nailing their staple songs as a near top version every once in a while. in 3 years, they have possibly one argument? sorry but that is what makes me hate.
take away covers and what has 3.0 really brought us?
Quote from: bvaz on January 02, 2012, 03:45:09 PM
Quote from: McGrupp on January 02, 2012, 03:15:33 PM
The thing about 3.0 is, it's not ALL just good or bad. It's not black and white. There is good music and bad music. There is some 3.0 that I'd put up against 1.0.
it leads me again to the posint I made recently and why I disagree with this. in 3.0, I asked if there was a top 30 version of any phish staple song. aug mentioned the 12/4/09 yem, which was inded good. top 30 would taje some discussion but it was good so it is best left at that.
for me, I'm not paying $70 a show and following around a band to hear covers of rock n roll and crosseyed and painless and roses are free. give me a god damned killer hood to bring tears to my eyes.
I'm sorry but this band has been playing together so more than 25 years (with a few breaks). they should be nailing their staple songs as a near top version every once in a while. in 3 years, they have possibly one argument? sorry but that is what makes me hate.
take away covers and what has 3.0 really brought us?
1) financial drainage
2) the emergence and final melt of thatfargone
3) ripping on George
Quote from: sophist on January 02, 2012, 04:06:04 PM
Quote from: bvaz on January 02, 2012, 03:45:09 PM
Quote from: McGrupp on January 02, 2012, 03:15:33 PM
The thing about 3.0 is, it's not ALL just good or bad. It's not black and white. There is good music and bad music. There is some 3.0 that I'd put up against 1.0.
it leads me again to the posint I made recently and why I disagree with this. in 3.0, I asked if there was a top 30 version of any phish staple song. aug mentioned the 12/4/09 yem, which was inded good. top 30 would taje some discussion but it was good so it is best left at that.
for me, I'm not paying $70 a show and following around a band to hear covers of rock n roll and crosseyed and painless and roses are free. give me a god damned killer hood to bring tears to my eyes.
I'm sorry but this band has been playing together so more than 25 years (with a few breaks). they should be nailing their staple songs as a near top version every once in a while. in 3 years, they have possibly one argument? sorry but that is what makes me hate.
take away covers and what has 3.0 really brought us?
1) financial drainage
2) the emergence and final melt of thatfargone
3) ripping on George
4.) '92's Mom.
I listened to nights 1 and 2 on the drive home last night (left NY after the Giants game, had to make sure the Cowboys were knocked out of the playoffs). I was actually pretty floored at times, and I think that, especially during night 1, Phish was playing some stuff that was downright nasty that isn't being talked about. They did, however, make several errors (that I thought were as forgivable on the recording as they were in person) that people are hanging onto. So they didn't rage a 25-minute Ghost, who cares? Phish aren't quite the same as they were 15 years ago. And I'm ok with that. I was one of those kids who fell in love with Phish after 2004, so naturally I did all my listening on my car stereo or huddled around a set of computer speakers in someone's basement. I go to shows because I want to see those musicians play whatever the hell they want to play, not because I want to see a Dark Star Orchestra-esque reenactment of a great show they played in the 90's.
I'm willing to concede that the third and fourth nights were not as good as the first two. And that's fine, I still thought they were decent shows that aren't deserving of the hate that has been rained down upon them from all angles. I find it funny that a lot of the songs that I thought were highlights (especially 12/30) aren't being talked about AT ALL, but the five or six songs that I took issue with are being talked about like they're the only songs Phish played over the run.
It doesn't matter that one person enjoyed the music and another didn't. To each his own. If you didn't like it, go see Umphrey's or moe. or something. I hope you have a blast. I thought Phish played four good shows and I'm unbelievably glad I went.
Quote from: phil on January 02, 2012, 04:32:20 PM
It doesn't matter that one person enjoyed the music and another didn't. To each his own. If you didn't like it, go see Umphrey's or moe. or something.
pretty much sum s up what happened to me.
Quote from: bvaz on January 02, 2012, 04:38:09 PM
Quote from: phil on January 02, 2012, 04:32:20 PM
It doesn't matter that one person enjoyed the music and another didn't. To each his own. If you didn't like it, go see Umphrey's or moe. or something.
pretty much sum s up what happened to me.
And I'm sure you had a blast. No point in going to a show/worrying about a band that doesn't do it for you anymore.
Quote from: phil on January 02, 2012, 04:45:15 PM
Quote from: bvaz on January 02, 2012, 04:38:09 PM
Quote from: phil on January 02, 2012, 04:32:20 PM
It doesn't matter that one person enjoyed the music and another didn't. To each his own. If you didn't like it, go see Umphrey's or moe. or something.
pretty much sum s up what happened to me.
And I'm sure you had a blast. No point in going to a show/worrying about a band that doesn't do it for you anymore.
yup. I did.
I did 3 phish shows this year if you include 1/1/11. I enjoyed all 3 but it really is nostalgia for me at this point.
Phish is and always will be my favorite band but they are not my favorite band to see if 2012.
I'll do the few shows a year and be content but still be upset at setlists and probably only listen to a half dozen shows in full a year.
but it will still disappoint me because the 4 musicians are healthy (actually not being a wise ass here) and they should be producing better music than they are and not caring about side engagements as much.
Quote from: phil on January 02, 2012, 04:32:20 PM
I listened to nights 1 and 2 on the drive home last night (left NY after the Giants game, had to make sure the Cowboys were knocked out of the playoffs). I was actually pretty floored at times, and I think that, especially during night 1, Phish was playing some stuff that was downright nasty that isn't being talked about. They did, however, make several errors (that I thought were as forgivable on the recording as they were in person) that people are hanging onto. So they didn't rage a 25-minute Ghost, who cares? Phish aren't quite the same as they were 15 years ago. And I'm ok with that. I was one of those kids who fell in love with Phish after 2004, so naturally I did all my listening on my car stereo or huddled around a set of computer speakers in someone's basement. I go to shows because I want to see those musicians play whatever the hell they want to play, not because I want to see a Dark Star Orchestra-esque reenactment of a great show they played in the 90's.
I'm willing to concede that the third and fourth nights were not as good as the first two. And that's fine, I still thought they were decent shows that aren't deserving of the hate that has been rained down upon them from all angles. I find it funny that a lot of the songs that I thought were highlights (especially 12/30) aren't being talked about AT ALL, but the five or six songs that I took issue with are being talked about like they're the only songs Phish played over the run.
It doesn't matter that one person enjoyed the music and another didn't. To each his own. If you didn't like it, go see Umphrey's or moe. or something. I hope you have a blast. I thought Phish played four good shows and I'm unbelievably glad I went.
Seconded.
Trey's guitar sounds so bad to me, I just can't get past it
Quote from: blatboom on January 02, 2012, 05:28:18 PM
Trey's guitar sounds so bad to me, I just can't get past it
To each his own. I was raving about how good I thought Trey sounded to my friends after nights one and two. That said, the tone was a little wonky but I thought he was doing some really cool stuff that more than made up for it.
I've always felt it was more tolerable live whereas on the LPs and streams it's much more glaring. the flubs/bad notes in literally every section as well
Quote from: blatboom on January 02, 2012, 05:42:05 PM
I've always felt it was more tolerable live whereas on the LPs and streams it's much more glaring. the flubs/bad notes in literally every section as well
yeah, I heard the flubs during 12/29 live very vividly, especially yem. it just matters so much less live.
Quote from: blatboom on January 02, 2012, 05:42:05 PM
I've always felt it was more tolerable live whereas on the LPs and streams it's much more glaring. the flubs/bad notes in literally every section as well
Definitely true that the blemishes are more forgivable live. Listening back last night/today though I felt that Trey was doing cool things in the context of what everyone else was doing (accentuating the others' playing very well at times). Sophist mentioned somewhere about humility (may have been the 12/28 post-show thread) which I think is very apt.
Also, any thoughts on whether the upcoming orchestral stuff has any impact on his playing? It was voiced a few times during the run that Trey is probably having to practice diligently/more frequently in preparation for those shows. Not sure how much of an impact that might have, but I felt that statement had merit.
Quote from: blatboom on January 02, 2012, 05:28:18 PM
Trey's guitar sounds so bad to me, I just can't get past it
this ONE thing is honestly the reason i can't listen to 3.0 phish.
everything else is 'whatever' when it comes down to it for me.
if his guitar sound was like anything from 1.0-2.0 i'd probably be listening to a ton of 3.0. really.
Quote from: VA $l!m on January 02, 2012, 06:04:04 PM
Quote from: blatboom on January 02, 2012, 05:28:18 PM
Trey's guitar sounds so bad to me, I just can't get past it
this ONE thing is honestly the reason i can't listen to 3.0 phish.
everything else is 'whatever' when it comes down to it for me.
if his guitar sound was like anything from 1.0-2.0 i'd probably be listening to a ton of 3.0. really.
really? I think his tone sounds way better than the crunchy overdrivey tone of 04.
It's def a bit 'sharp' nowadays though.
mattstick is right. everything coming through the PAs is way too digital sounding. shit wears on your ears.
Quote from: McGrupp on January 02, 2012, 06:07:22 PM
Quote from: VA $l!m on January 02, 2012, 06:04:04 PM
Quote from: blatboom on January 02, 2012, 05:28:18 PM
Trey's guitar sounds so bad to me, I just can't get past it
this ONE thing is honestly the reason i can't listen to 3.0 phish.
everything else is 'whatever' when it comes down to it for me.
if his guitar sound was like anything from 1.0-2.0 i'd probably be listening to a ton of 3.0. really.
really? I think his tone sounds way better than the crunchy overdrivey tone of 04.
It's def a bit 'sharp' nowadays though.
mattstick is right. everything coming through the PAs is way too digital sounding. shit wears on your ears.
well, maybe i should throw 04 in with 3.0. honestly i barely have ever listened to anything from 04.
pretty much everything up to my last pre hiatus show -2.28.03 - i was fine with.
though i have to agree it doesnt wear on me as much live as on tape.
bottom line is its absolutely horrible and i can't understand why he doesnt recognize how bad it is.
Quote from: VA $l!m on January 02, 2012, 06:09:56 PM
Quote from: McGrupp on January 02, 2012, 06:07:22 PM
Quote from: VA $l!m on January 02, 2012, 06:04:04 PM
Quote from: blatboom on January 02, 2012, 05:28:18 PM
Trey's guitar sounds so bad to me, I just can't get past it
this ONE thing is honestly the reason i can't listen to 3.0 phish.
everything else is 'whatever' when it comes down to it for me.
if his guitar sound was like anything from 1.0-2.0 i'd probably be listening to a ton of 3.0. really.
really? I think his tone sounds way better than the crunchy overdrivey tone of 04.
It's def a bit 'sharp' nowadays though.
mattstick is right. everything coming through the PAs is way too digital sounding. shit wears on your ears.
well, maybe i should throw 04 in with 3.0. honestly i barely have ever listened to anything from 04.
pretty much everything up to my last pre hiatus show -2.28.03 - i was fine with.
though i have to agree it doesnt wear on me as much live as on tape.
bottom line is its absolutely horrible and i can't understand why he doesnt recognize how bad it is.
I'd love to sit down with Trey and have a
real (no ass-kissing bullshit) interview with him and ask him some questions. There are quite a lot of things going on in his head that I'd like to know about...
Quote from: McGrupp on January 02, 2012, 06:13:50 PM
Quote from: VA $l!m on January 02, 2012, 06:09:56 PM
Quote from: McGrupp on January 02, 2012, 06:07:22 PM
Quote from: VA $l!m on January 02, 2012, 06:04:04 PM
Quote from: blatboom on January 02, 2012, 05:28:18 PM
Trey's guitar sounds so bad to me, I just can't get past it
this ONE thing is honestly the reason i can't listen to 3.0 phish.
everything else is 'whatever' when it comes down to it for me.
if his guitar sound was like anything from 1.0-2.0 i'd probably be listening to a ton of 3.0. really.
really? I think his tone sounds way better than the crunchy overdrivey tone of 04.
It's def a bit 'sharp' nowadays though.
mattstick is right. everything coming through the PAs is way too digital sounding. shit wears on your ears.
well, maybe i should throw 04 in with 3.0. honestly i barely have ever listened to anything from 04.
pretty much everything up to my last pre hiatus show -2.28.03 - i was fine with.
though i have to agree it doesnt wear on me as much live as on tape.
bottom line is its absolutely horrible and i can't understand why he doesnt recognize how bad it is.
I'd love to sit down with Trey and have a real (no ass-kissing bullshit) interview with him and ask him some questions. There are quite a lot of things going on in his head that I'd like to know about...
of course,,,
the tone is a deal breaker for me though.
its like being married to a girl for 20 years and she decides to get a penis implant.
as much as i may love the bitch it just aint the same.
Quote from: McGrupp on January 02, 2012, 06:07:22 PM
Quote from: VA $l!m on January 02, 2012, 06:04:04 PM
Quote from: blatboom on January 02, 2012, 05:28:18 PM
Trey's guitar sounds so bad to me, I just can't get past it
this ONE thing is honestly the reason i can't listen to 3.0 phish.
everything else is 'whatever' when it comes down to it for me.
if his guitar sound was like anything from 1.0-2.0 i'd probably be listening to a ton of 3.0. really.
really? I think his tone sounds way better than the crunchy overdrivey tone of 04.
It's def a bit 'sharp' nowadays though.
mattstick is right. everything coming through the PAs is way too digital sounding. shit wears on your ears.
No kidding. I have an appointment with the audiologist later this week. Loud music + pre-existing shitty ear conditions = tinnitus. bad. It's always been there but after this run it's gotten really bad in my right ear.
Quote from: VA $l!m on January 02, 2012, 06:25:04 PM
Quote from: McGrupp on January 02, 2012, 06:13:50 PM
Quote from: VA $l!m on January 02, 2012, 06:09:56 PM
Quote from: McGrupp on January 02, 2012, 06:07:22 PM
Quote from: VA $l!m on January 02, 2012, 06:04:04 PM
Quote from: blatboom on January 02, 2012, 05:28:18 PM
Trey's guitar sounds so bad to me, I just can't get past it
this ONE thing is honestly the reason i can't listen to 3.0 phish.
everything else is 'whatever' when it comes down to it for me.
if his guitar sound was like anything from 1.0-2.0 i'd probably be listening to a ton of 3.0. really.
really? I think his tone sounds way better than the crunchy overdrivey tone of 04.
It's def a bit 'sharp' nowadays though.
mattstick is right. everything coming through the PAs is way too digital sounding. shit wears on your ears.
well, maybe i should throw 04 in with 3.0. honestly i barely have ever listened to anything from 04.
pretty much everything up to my last pre hiatus show -2.28.03 - i was fine with.
though i have to agree it doesnt wear on me as much live as on tape.
bottom line is its absolutely horrible and i can't understand why he doesnt recognize how bad it is.
I'd love to sit down with Trey and have a real (no ass-kissing bullshit) interview with him and ask him some questions. There are quite a lot of things going on in his head that I'd like to know about...
of course,,,
the tone is a deal breaker for me though.
its like being married to a girl for 20 years and she decides to get a penis implant.
as much as i may love the bitch it just aint the same.
LOL
Personally his guitar has sounded harsh/bright to me even when I was at the shows.
Quote from: Hicks on January 02, 2012, 06:38:39 PM
Quote from: VA $l!m on January 02, 2012, 06:25:04 PM
Quote from: McGrupp on January 02, 2012, 06:13:50 PM
Quote from: VA $l!m on January 02, 2012, 06:09:56 PM
Quote from: McGrupp on January 02, 2012, 06:07:22 PM
Quote from: VA $l!m on January 02, 2012, 06:04:04 PM
Quote from: blatboom on January 02, 2012, 05:28:18 PM
Trey's guitar sounds so bad to me, I just can't get past it
this ONE thing is honestly the reason i can't listen to 3.0 phish.
everything else is 'whatever' when it comes down to it for me.
if his guitar sound was like anything from 1.0-2.0 i'd probably be listening to a ton of 3.0. really.
really? I think his tone sounds way better than the crunchy overdrivey tone of 04.
It's def a bit 'sharp' nowadays though.
mattstick is right. everything coming through the PAs is way too digital sounding. shit wears on your ears.
well, maybe i should throw 04 in with 3.0. honestly i barely have ever listened to anything from 04.
pretty much everything up to my last pre hiatus show -2.28.03 - i was fine with.
though i have to agree it doesnt wear on me as much live as on tape.
bottom line is its absolutely horrible and i can't understand why he doesnt recognize how bad it is.
I'd love to sit down with Trey and have a real (no ass-kissing bullshit) interview with him and ask him some questions. There are quite a lot of things going on in his head that I'd like to know about...
of course,,,
the tone is a deal breaker for me though.
its like being married to a girl for 20 years and she decides to get a penis implant.
as much as i may love the bitch it just aint the same.
LOL
Personally his guitar has sounded harsh/bright to me even when I was at the shows.
We need doc back behind the boards. It might not be the ONLY reason, but it's certainly A reason.
Quote from: McGrupp on January 01, 2012, 06:24:27 PM
Shit was fun.
I danced. A lot.
I high-fived my friends and strangers many many times.
I was very high.
I enjoyed most of the music.
I dont regret spending the money on tickets - I'm extremely glad I went.
I hope everyone had a wonderful new years eve. Mine was fucking fantastic.
Glad you had fun man, sorry I missed it. See you this summer!
A lot of good discussion in this thread...
I remember last year after NYE I was pretty impressed and very in love with da 3.0 :phish: That ghost and you enjoy manteca were fucking awesome! :banana: and then the 1/1 show topped it off. Even after Miami I felt this feeling of being lost and the feeling of "what now"? I wanted to ride that wave out. The fall '10 tour fueled that feeling for me. At this point in my life, I am glad they aren't impressing me as much. The summer was awesome for me as well!! Felt a little down after the VT show but there were still moments that impressed me (Carini > dwd > slave) but after going to two shows this run, I am glad I am stepping back from da phish. There is a lot I have to do in my life and if this is how they are gonna keep playing then I can take some time off touring with them and do me for a while.
I have learned a ton of things traveling around this country and I thank :phish: everyday for letting me experience such awesome times. I know all of us do. If this is what 3.0 is then its kinda a good thing. It will always be there for us to go to a show thats close or to go see our favorite phamily! There isnt really any pressure anymore to hit every show to make it to all the shows to make sure you catch the show. Its not gonna happen. They are just giving us the experience we all have wanted since they broke up, but without the enthusiasm to make us all go one tour and get our faces melted.
Quote from: emayPhishyMD on January 02, 2012, 07:33:22 PM
A lot of good discussion in this thread...
Really? :|
I think I've finally sworn off post show discussion threads.
it's good talk. people criticizing the show aren't haters, people defending the show aren't fluffers. these type conversations go on on every Phish message board
Quote from: blatboom on January 02, 2012, 08:19:59 PM
it's good talk. people criticizing the show aren't haters, people defending the show aren't fluffers. these type conversations go on on every Phish message board
Once the dust settles more from this run the reviews will become less personal and more subjective.
Quote from: blatboom on January 02, 2012, 08:19:59 PM
it's good talk. people criticizing the show aren't haters, people defending the show aren't fluffers. these type conversations go on on every Phish message board
And really any board, where people are passionate about what they're discussing. I'd hate to see what a particular NFL team's board looks like.
would suck to be the Georgia Bulldogs today..
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Sorry guys, I did my best to avoid this thread til now but just couldn't help commenting on the redundancy.
I just think these types of discussions trashing the previous show has driven away some worthwhile members of the board and I feel it's too bad. I know people are within their right to ignore these threads as much as the next person. I guess I just loved this board because it was so different from PT but it seems to ressemble it more and more with each passing tour.
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on January 02, 2012, 08:49:41 PM
Sorry guys, I did my best to avoid this thread til now but just couldn't help commenting on the redundancy.
I just think these types of discussions trashing the previous show has driven away some worthwhile members of the board and I feel it's too bad. I know people are within their right to ignore these threads as much as the next person. I guess I just loved this board because it was so different from PT but it seems to ressemble it more and more with each passing tour.
Go Die In A Fire
But, yes, I sort of agree with you.
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on January 02, 2012, 08:49:41 PM
Sorry guys, I did my best to avoid this thread til now but just couldn't help commenting on the redundancy.
I just think these types of discussions trashing the previous show has driven away some worthwhile members of the board and I feel it's too bad. I know people are within their right to ignore these threads as much as the next person. I guess I just loved this board because it was so different from PT but it seems to ressemble it more and more with each passing tour.
I think that you might be taking it too personally. I certainly can't speak for anyone else, but I definitely know that I absolutely don't mean to infer ANY personal attacks here. THAT to me is what makes this place better than PT. If it's not a place to discuss where the band is musically, and what we'd like to see, then why post here?
A large part of me gets excited for Phish EVERY time they play (or damn near). That same part is often disappointed. I really like hearing people's views, as I really pride myself on being a pretty open person. There is a very good possibility that I can have one view in my head fairly concretely until I come here and discuss. Then I'll hear something else, and something else that seems to click, and I could end up seeing it from a different angle.
If we're not discussing the band critically, then why discuss? That's my view, and it's SO not personal, buddy! I enjoy your posts around here, so I hope you aren't taking off.
one sided discussions aren't discussions.
if you are looking for a message board where everyone agrees, it doesn't exist.
I haven't read anything in this thread that was a personal attack and I can assure you anything I have said wasn't an attack on anyone.
personally, I thought this thread actually led to the most "discussion" pf the state of phish. guess I'm in the minority on that one.
I'm also not aware of anyone that has left because of these discussions but I am sure there are some.
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on January 02, 2012, 08:49:41 PM
Sorry guys, I did my best to avoid this thread til now but just couldn't help commenting on the redundancy.
I just think these types of discussions trashing the previous show has driven away some worthwhile members of the board and I feel it's too bad. I know people are within their right to ignore these threads as much as the next person. I guess I just loved this board because it was so different from PT but it seems to ressemble it more and more with each passing tour.
This place was way better when Phish wasn't playing. I used to come here to interact now I come here after meals to make me vomit. I'm bulimic.
No worries guys, just expressing my opinion. There were no personal attacks that I saw. I wasn't even at the show and didn't get the live feed so I didn't spend a dime on the show. I think people are expecting way too much from an aging band that surprised us in the 80's, blew our minds in the 90's, fizzled in the 00's and is now slowing down. They will never be that band again and I don't get the point in jaded fans constantly whining about no jamz, setlist choices, botched segues, etc. Just move on. Anyway, I go through this after every run and I guess it's just as much my fault for reading as it is someone's for posting their opinion.
Carry on and I'll always stick around to some degree for the vinyl thread and the favourite albums :-D
OG members like Matt and Jedi hardly ever post here anymore because the band doesn't do it for them anymore.
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on January 02, 2012, 09:17:36 PM
No worries guys, just expressing my opinion. There were no personal attacks that I saw. I wasn't even at the show and didn't get the live feed so I didn't spend a dime on the show. I think people are expecting way too much from an aging band that surprised us in the 80's, blew our minds in the 90's, fizzled in the 00's and is now slowing down. They will never be that band again and I don't get the point in jaded fans constantly whining about no jamz, setlist choices, botched segues, etc. Just move on. Anyway, I go through this after every run and I guess it's just as much my fault for reading as it is someone's for posting their opinion.
Carry on and I'll always stick around to some degree for the vinyl thread and the favourite albums :-D
Well said.
QuoteBed Shitters 30 vs Michigan State 33 FINAL
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on January 02, 2012, 08:49:41 PM
Sorry guys, I did my best to avoid this thread til now but just couldn't help commenting on the redundancy.
I just think these types of discussions trashing the previous show has driven away some worthwhile members of the board and I feel it's too bad. I know people are within their right to ignore these threads as much as the next person. I guess I just loved this board because it was so different from PT but it seems to ressemble it more and more with each passing tour.
I dunno I dont think we sunk as low as PT standards since half the threads on page 1 look like this
http://phantasytour.com/bands/1/topics/2959536/posts
Almost all NYE Runs had momentum.
This one didn't.
Not one kickdown, only a 2011 summary.
Even last year's run progressively got better.
Not that I expected anything different or new from this Run, but I guess they did exactly what I didn't want them to do.
As far as taking a full year off from seeing the band goes, I picked a good one.
2012 is gonna be an even better year for me to continue my hiatus...:(
I agree with Phil. I think there was some great playing this weekend. I watched that Piper today and that is some great stuff. Same with the entirei Mikes groove from the 29th. I've studied music my entire life and am still constantly impressed watching them at this point in there career. They simply do things no other band can. They are so connected. Trey is still Trey. He still does many of those "Treyish" licks that only he can do. He has something special. They all do.
Sure, I was very disappointed in Nye set 3. Very disappointed. But there was still some beautiful music created during that set... Not exactly what i wanted, but even that set (which i was actually pretty upset during post -DWD) Had great music nonetheless.
The trend that im noticing here is that most of us have already made up there mind on 3.0 and that is fine.
The ones staying home didn't like the music and are glad they didn't spend the money to go.
The ones who went had a great time and wouldntt have wanted to spend their New Years anywhere else.
It seems like we are all where we want to be.
Quote from: Augustus on January 02, 2012, 09:41:37 PM
Almost all NYE Runs had momentum.
This one didn't.
Not one kickdown, only a 2011 summary.
Even last year's run progressively got better.
Not that I expected anything different or new from this Run, but I guess they did exactly what I didn't want them to do.
As far as taking a full year off from seeing the band goes, I picked a good one.
2012 is gonna be an even better year for me to continue my hiatus...:(
When do you think they'll stop selling out MSG for new years?
The band might have less momentum as the 3.0 new years runs went along, but the tickets were harder and harder to get. Miami was a breeze, and last year was significantly easier than this year.
The band might be going downhill, but people keep showing up... who are these people that like shitty phish so much?
I know that comes out kinda sarcastic and tongue-in-cheek, but I'm being serious.
Quote from: McGrupp on January 02, 2012, 09:47:47 PM
Quote from: Augustus on January 02, 2012, 09:41:37 PM
Almost all NYE Runs had momentum.
This one didn't.
Not one kickdown, only a 2011 summary.
Even last year's run progressively got better.
Not that I expected anything different or new from this Run, but I guess they did exactly what I didn't want them to do.
As far as taking a full year off from seeing the band goes, I picked a good one.
2012 is gonna be an even better year for me to continue my hiatus...:(
When do you think they'll stop selling out MSG for new years?
The band might have less momentum as the 3.0 new years runs went along, but the tickets were harder and harder to get. Miami was a breeze, and last year was significantly easier than this year.
The band might be going downhill, but people keep showing up... who are these people that like shitty phish so much?
I know that comes out kinda sarcastic and tongue-in-cheek, but I'm being serious.
I know what you are saying but you can't judge a musical performance by attendance figures.
if you want to get into it, let's face the fact that SBIX drew much fewer than a lot of people here expected for that geographic location on a holiday weekend.
:wtu: is right in a way. I can't even envision him ever saying anything negative about phish, ever. but I also know he is genuine in his opinion whether I agree with it.
I know you are going to go to all the shows you can (even though you speak of trying to make fewer although I don't believe it). you will have a great time and rave about the experience and enjoy the music.
I can go name by name on here and tell you where they stand.
in a way, these threads are redundant. it's not because haters hate and fluffers fluff. it's because the shows aren't differing as aug has said time and time again. the reason it seems redundant is because we are reviewing the same show 40 times a year.
Quote from: McGrupp on January 02, 2012, 09:47:47 PM
When do you think they'll stop selling out MSG for new years?
The band might have less momentum as the 3.0 new years runs went along, but the tickets were harder and harder to get. Miami was a breeze, and last year was significantly easier than this year.
The band might be going downhill, but people keep showing up... who are these people that like shitty phish so much?
I know that comes out kinda sarcastic and tongue-in-cheek, but I'm being serious.
they'll never stop selling out MSG for new years. tickets were indeed extremely hard to get this year. probably one of the top 5 "toughest ticket "shows i've been to, and i wasn't expecting that at all. you can't even compare a phish nye in new york to sales in miami. but from last year to this year, lack of a fall tour added to it. better weather. a weekend 12/30 and 12/31 show. plus last years new years gag was pretty over the top which made people want to be a part of it this year.
Quote from: Augustus on January 02, 2012, 09:41:37 PM
Almost all NYE Runs had momentum.
This one didn't.
Not one kickdown, only a 2011 summary.
Even last year's run progressively got better.
Not that I expected anything different or new from this Run, but I guess they did exactly what I didn't want them to do.
As far as taking a full year off from seeing the band goes, I picked a good one.
2012 is gonna be an even better year for me to continue my hiatus...:(
Boo!
But I get it and totally respect your opinion (especially for guy living in NYC, you stuck to your guns) as opposed to the generic 'it sucked'.
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on January 02, 2012, 09:17:36 PM
No worries guys, just expressing my opinion. There were no personal attacks that I saw. I wasn't even at the show and didn't get the live feed so I didn't spend a dime on the show. I think people are expecting way too much from an aging band that surprised us in the 80's, blew our minds in the 90's, fizzled in the 00's and is now slowing down. They will never be that band again and I don't get the point in jaded fans constantly whining about no jamz, setlist choices, botched segues, etc. Just move on. Anyway, I go through this after every run and I guess it's just as much my fault for reading as it is someone's for posting their opinion.
Carry on and I'll always stick around to some degree for the vinyl thread and the favourite albums :-D
honestly the only people i see "whining" in this thread or the forums in general are the fluffers whining that someone isnt as jacked as they are.
who's whining about no jams? lol, whining, really? i'd call it pointing out cold hard facts, not whining.
"just move on"? uh... ok, where am i moving to?
i love these statements.
i dunno, so your saying that unless your 100% happy with phish 3.0 don't post?
i don't get it. i really don't.
trust me, i spend most of my time wading through ridiculously vile immature video game forums.
this place is like a church of intelligent respect and discourse compared to most internet sites.
seriously, the people that need to check themselves are the people getting their panties in a bunch because someone harshed their buzz.
honestly if i had the $ to tour i probably would, BUT--
the thread is called "post show discussion and review", not "positive reviews only"
'nuff said.
Im the person who likes shitty phish!
I have no problem saying that musically, this was the worst Phish New Years run ever. I think it was.
I also think that great improvisational music was made this run. Each night had at least some highlights that kept my musical interests peaked. i want crazy deep, long, psycedelic jams as much as everyone but its not necessary for me to still love the music they make. I still haven't found current music I enjoy more than Phish...even 3.0.
It's MSG for NYE.
Anyone will snatch them up.
It's not like a Deer Creek stop where mad people wind up with 10 lawn seats that they can use for bookmarks.
Quote from: bvaz on January 02, 2012, 09:54:33 PM
the reason it seems redundant is because we are reviewing the same show 40 times a year.
Quote from: VA $l!m on January 02, 2012, 09:59:36 PM
the thread is called "post show discussion and review", not "positive reviews only"
'nuff said.
These two quotes are 100% accurate. If it really bothers you (one way
or the other), either get over it and find a way to enjoy the conversation or quit reading these threads. It's really that simple.
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on January 02, 2012, 10:01:57 PM
Im the person who likes shitty phish!
I have no problem saying that musically, this was the worst Phish New Years run ever. I think it was.
I also think that great improvisational music was made this run. Each night had at least some highlights that kept my musical interests peaked. i want crazy deep, long, psycedelic jams as much as everyone but its not necessary for me to still love the music they make. I still haven't found current music I enjoy more than Phish...even 3.0.
Don't worry scott. I like shitty Phish too. I just got done listening to set III from nye and set II from the 29th. Basically what I took away from it was that Phish is capable of doing some pretty awesome things, but that at times they seem to just sort of play what they want without regard to how it'll be perceived or how it will affect the flow of a set (hence the wedge alaska velvet sea nonsense). Not sure where that leaves us. It would be awesome if they could get their shit together and put together a set that rocks our faces and makes some sense, but I don't feel like what they're doing now is really all that bad, even if it's not my ideal phish scenario.
let's be honest, it's Trey who is piloting this ship. and often it appears without any regard to what the rest of the band is feeling
Quote from: blatboom on January 02, 2012, 10:49:50 PM
let's be honest, it's Trey who is piloting this ship. and often it appears without any regard to what the rest of the band is feeling
my sentiments exactly, just hearing Fish ask Trey if they were going over anything before the show has to make one wonder...
I pretty much agree with everything Phil said. People act as if BAD music is being made, which i just don't see .
I will say, the set list choice is perplexing to me. They KNOW how to build a great set list and how to keep the energy high. They've done it well for years. It's as if the Wedge/Alaska/Velvet was some sort of statement to us.... Like a "we don't care what you want, we're playing what we want to play"
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on January 02, 2012, 11:42:13 PM
I pretty much agree with everything Phil said. People act as if BAD music is being made, which i just don't see .
I will say, the set list choice is perplexing to me. They KNOW how to build a great set list and how to keep the energy high. They've done it well for years. It's as if the Wedge/Alaska/Velvet was some sort of statement to us.... Like a "we don't care what you want, we're playing what we want to play"
Or play what's left.
You think they rehearsed together for more than 20 hours for these?
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on January 02, 2012, 11:42:13 PM
I pretty much agree with everything Phil said. People act as if BAD music is being made, which i just don't see .
I will say, the set list choice is perplexing to me. They KNOW how to build a great set list and how to keep the energy high. They've done it well for years. It's as if the Wedge/Alaska/Velvet was some sort of statement to us.... Like a "we don't care what you want, we're playing what we want to play"
I told one of my friends the exact same thing that night after the show. Their attitude is geared more toward doing things the way they feel. Which I think is the exact same attitude they (probably) had for most of the nineties. It's just that what they feel like doing has changed for whatever reason.
Quote from: Augustus on January 02, 2012, 11:46:07 PM
You think they rehearsed together for more than 20 hours for these?
I have no way of knowing, but I'd like to think they did. They are professionals after all.
Quote from: phil on January 02, 2012, 11:49:56 PM
Quote from: Augustus on January 02, 2012, 11:46:07 PM
You think they rehearsed together for more than 20 hours for these?
I have no way of knowing, but I'd like to think they did. They are professionals after all.
And that's my main qualm.
Quote from: Augustus on January 03, 2012, 12:01:45 AM
Quote from: phil on January 02, 2012, 11:49:56 PM
Quote from: Augustus on January 02, 2012, 11:46:07 PM
You think they rehearsed together for more than 20 hours for these?
I have no way of knowing, but I'd like to think they did. They are professionals after all.
And that's my main qualm.
Are we counting the Steam gag? If so, most def.
The Steam gag had Trey pick up a kettle and then play the song.
All the audience stunt people did the actual gag.
I feel like they just slapped it together.
Quote from: Augustus on January 03, 2012, 12:09:24 AM
The Steam gag had Trey pick up a kettle and then play the song.
All the audience stunt people did the actual gag.
I feel like they just slapped it together.
I know, I was just being a wise ass. In all honesty, my answer is the same as Phil's. I'd like to think so, but who knows. . .
Quote from: bvaz on January 02, 2012, 09:54:33 PM
Quote from: McGrupp on January 02, 2012, 09:47:47 PM
Quote from: Augustus on January 02, 2012, 09:41:37 PM
Almost all NYE Runs had momentum.
This one didn't.
Not one kickdown, only a 2011 summary.
Even last year's run progressively got better.
Not that I expected anything different or new from this Run, but I guess they did exactly what I didn't want them to do.
As far as taking a full year off from seeing the band goes, I picked a good one.
2012 is gonna be an even better year for me to continue my hiatus...:(
When do you think they'll stop selling out MSG for new years?
The band might have less momentum as the 3.0 new years runs went along, but the tickets were harder and harder to get. Miami was a breeze, and last year was significantly easier than this year.
The band might be going downhill, but people keep showing up... who are these people that like shitty phish so much?
I know that comes out kinda sarcastic and tongue-in-cheek, but I'm being serious.
I know what you are saying but you can't judge a musical performance by attendance figures.
if you want to get into it, let's face the fact that SBIX drew much fewer than a lot of people here expected for that geographic location on a holiday weekend.
:wtu: is right in a way. I can't even envision him ever saying anything negative about phish, ever. but I also know he is genuine in his opinion whether I agree with it.
I know you are going to go to all the shows you can (even though you speak of trying to make fewer although I don't believe it). you will have a great time and rave about the experience and enjoy the music.
I can go name by name on here and tell you where they stand.
in a way, these threads are redundant. it's not because haters hate and fluffers fluff. it's because the shows aren't differing as aug has said time and time again. the reason it seems redundant is because we are reviewing the same show 40 times a year.
Well said, if anything is redundant its the LST and PSD format itself, and it sure as hell wouldn't be as monotonous if the band started really bringing it musically.
I've been reading this thread all day and kinda laughing and rolling my eyes at the whole thing. You people are hilarious. This argument has been going on for years. It really has.
This was my third show and a buddy I was with walked out saying he was completely bored with phish. I was blown away by the show. Look at this setlist.
Quote
Friday, 04/16/1993
The Macauley Theater, Louisville, KY
Set 1: Chalk Dust Torture, Guelah Papyrus, Sparkle > Split Open and Melt, Esther > Llama, Sample in a Jar, Rift, Harry Hood[1], Cavern
Set 2: Axilla, The Curtain > Maze, The Lizards, Mike's Song > I Am Hydrogen > Weekapaug Groove, The Horse[2] > Silent in the Morning, Uncle Pen, Big Ball Jam > Hold Your Head Up > Bike > Hold Your Head Up, Highway to Hell
Encore: Gumbo, Amazing Grace
[1] Simpsons signal.
[2] Trey on acoustic guitar.
Performers: Trey Anastasio, Page McConnell, Jon Fishman, Mike Gordon
Notes: Before Chalk Dust, Trey chided Fishman for being late. Hood included a Simpsons signal. The Horse featured Trey on acoustic guitar. Trey dedicated Highway to Hell to Terry, the equipment truck driver. Gumbo was played for the first time since July 25, 1991 (228 shows).
So, his point was that the first set was all boring, though he agreed the Hood was good... The the second set went nowhere. Yet the audience was eating out of the palm of the bands hands. And the Gumbo was a huge surprise... And the kid who hated the show is the very kid who yelled "Gumbo" late in the second set and got his request.
Point is... He did the whole horns tour, he saw the amazing runs at the Cap in Portchester. By spring of 93 he was bored with it all. This may even have been his last show.
And look at that setlist. If this show was played on 12/30/11 the hate would have been worse than we're seeing now...yet this was one of the shows that absolutely hooked me on phish. I was up in the balcony and some head had brought hundreds of balloons and passed them around for everyone up there to fill and let loose. We filled the place with balloons... The energy in there was insane.
So, whatever. I love phish. Some people have an idea of what phish was and don't like how they've changed. Waaaaaa! "They we're better when they played Nectars and weren't trying to please the crowd at the Front."
This happened to me, too. I was bored with the spacey boring ambient jams of 99-2004. I stopped seeing lots of shows. I almost completely walked away. Then Hampton happened and I loved those shows. The energy was back. I love the big rock jams these days. Is it groundbreaking? No. But whatever. It's not for everyone.
Phish is phish. They play what they want to play how they want to play it. They aren't playing 150 shows a year anymore. It's been years since they spent that kind of time together. They don't have that level of telepathic communication where things can take left turns at any moment.
We were beyond excited for NYE 95 because they had been playing so well all fall that we knew it would be great. People are excited for NYE these days because it's phish in MSG on NYE.
Quote from: PIE-GUY on January 03, 2012, 12:35:16 AM
I've been reading this thread all day and kinda laughing and rolling my eyes at the whole thing. You people are hilarious. This argument has been going on for years. It really has.
This was my third show and a buddy I was with walked out saying he was completely bored with phish. I was blown away by the show. Look at this setlist.
Quote
Friday, 04/16/1993
The Macauley Theater, Louisville, KY
Set 1: Chalk Dust Torture, Guelah Papyrus, Sparkle > Split Open and Melt, Esther > Llama, Sample in a Jar, Rift, Harry Hood[1], Cavern
Set 2: Axilla, The Curtain > Maze, The Lizards, Mike's Song > I Am Hydrogen > Weekapaug Groove, The Horse[2] > Silent in the Morning, Uncle Pen, Big Ball Jam > Hold Your Head Up > Bike > Hold Your Head Up, Highway to Hell
Encore: Gumbo, Amazing Grace
[1] Simpsons signal.
[2] Trey on acoustic guitar.
Performers: Trey Anastasio, Page McConnell, Jon Fishman, Mike Gordon
Notes: Before Chalk Dust, Trey chided Fishman for being late. Hood included a Simpsons signal. The Horse featured Trey on acoustic guitar. Trey dedicated Highway to Hell to Terry, the equipment truck driver. Gumbo was played for the first time since July 25, 1991 (228 shows).
So, his point was that the first set was all boring, though he agreed the Hood was good... The the second set went nowhere. Yet the audience was eating out of the palm of the bands hands. And the Gumbo was a huge surprise... And the kid who hated the show is the very kid who yelled "Gumbo" late in the second set and got his request.
Point is... He did the whole horns tour, he saw the amazing runs at the Cap in Portchester. By spring of 93 he was bored with it all. This may even have been his last show.
And look at that setlist. If this show was played on 12/30/11 the hate would have been worse than we're seeing now...yet this was one of the shows that absolutely hooked me on phish. I was up in the balcony and some head had brought hundreds of balloons and passed them around for everyone up there to fill and let loose. We filled the place with balloons... The energy in there was insane.
So, whatever. I love phish. Some people have an idea of what phish was and don't like how they've changed. Waaaaaa! "They we're better when they played Nectars and weren't trying to please the crowd at the Front."
This happened to me, too. I was bored with the spacey boring ambient jams of 99-2004. I stopped seeing lots of shows. I almost completely walked away. Then Hampton happened and I loved those shows. The energy was back. I love the big rock jams these days. Is it groundbreaking? No. But whatever. It's not for everyone.
Phish is phish. They play what they want to play how they want to play it. They aren't playing 150 shows a year anymore. It's been years since they spent that kind of time together. They don't have that level of telepathic communication where things can take left turns at any moment.
We were beyond excited for NYE 95 because they had been playing so well all fall that we knew it would be great. People are excited for NYE these days because it's phish in MSG on NYE.
/end thread
Quote from: PIE-GUY on January 03, 2012, 12:35:16 AM
They don't have that level of telepathic communication where things can take left turns at any moment.
agreed. for sure.
I'm with everyone who likes shitty Phish. I like it too (most of the time), and I enjoy myself at shows, but I realize it and accept it if it's a bad show, but I don't bash others or get all heart-broken if I return from a show and see them hating on it. I tend to agree with them if it was a sub-par show, but that doesn't affect me having a FUCKING BLAST, but that also doesn't negate the fact that musically, it was a bad show.
That said, I do not like this NYE show whatsoever, and it only makes me think even more that it's not worth traveling ridiculous distances and spending a shit ton of cash to see them.
That's just me though. :|
Quote from: ytowndan on January 02, 2012, 10:12:26 PM
Quote from: bvaz on January 02, 2012, 09:54:33 PM
the reason it seems redundant is because we are reviewing the same show 40 times a year.
Quote from: VA $l!m on January 02, 2012, 09:59:36 PM
the thread is called "post show discussion and review", not "positive reviews only"
'nuff said.
These two quotes are 100% accurate. If it really bothers you (one way or the other), either get over it and find a way to enjoy the conversation or quit reading these threads. It's really that simple.
and there you have it.
/thread
saying end thread is just idiotic sorry. sorry, but do you guys think because you agree or have an opinion that it is that strong of a statement that you can end a discussion.
that is the only PT influence in here.
I really have nothing new to add to this thread except for a statement about people getting all wrapped up in a differing opinion.
I've already been chased away from the politics discussions because it wasn't worth getting people upset over my views because they happen to be different. plus, it's a music board.
now I feel like I can't be critical of what I find as not only a subpar performance but basically a subpar year. I really don't care if you agree or disagree with me. the discussions have been there all year and there is no need rehashing the points over right now.
I was on the computer most of the day yesterday transferring the shows from the weekend so I was on here a lot. I planned on spending a lot less time online moving forward because I just find it to take away from time I can be more productive, which is a goal of mine. so the timing works out but I think people really need to think about how to act in a message board where some people's opinions are going to change.
for some of us, these are our true opinions, whether it is on politics, the state of the band, the review of a show. you may disagree and that is fine but this board should be accepting of everyone's opinions, not just the ones that you agree with.
I'm not going to go back and forth on this all day and will read responses but probably won't respond.
Yeah, it's pretty idiotic to jokingly add a '/end thread' to the end of ones post.
I was completely serious though. No time for games 'round here. :wink:
ser biz
:roll:
Seriously though, that aside, well said.
Anyway, I still think this show is awful and I don't feel like I need to elaborate on that or right a long review because frankly, imo, it's not worth my time. Sorry if that hurts your feelings but it's my opinion, and I posted it in the correct thread. If you think this show is the tits, good for you and I respect your opinion. I just completely disagree.
I think it's just when roggae posts, he usually ends the thread.
Dude brings nothing to these discussions.
EVERYTHING IS OVER!!!!!
If they had played that April '93 show during this run people would have loved it.
BTW, has anyone else noticed, among all this knit-picking, that review in the title of the thread is spelled wrong?
Quote from: mattstick on January 03, 2012, 09:19:47 AM
If they had played that April '93 show during this run people would have loved it.
/thread
:tte:
This discussion still going on?
I think a lot of people got excited by 12/28, thought 12/29 was the low point gearing up for the 12/30 and 12/31 shows to bring the h33t, but it never materialized. They blew so many big vehicles in those first two nights that most of what they had to play on NYE was newer stuff. This would have been OK if they did something with them instead of the normal 3.0 route, but whatever.
Musically, I thought (again) that Trey was not in sync with the rest of the band. Not that there weren't flashes, but it wasn't enough to sustain a 4 night run this time around.
I can't wait to hear my n00b buddy who paid way too much for NYE tix tell me how amazing that show was. And in his mind, it probably was.
Me? I'll always have those amazing Cap runs ;)
Quote from: Augustus on January 03, 2012, 08:50:51 AM
I think it's just when roggae posts, he usually ends the thread.
Dude brings nothing to these discussions.
i don't bring anything to these discussions because i don't think discussing music is very fruitful. i thought you were done with phish anyway?
Quote from: roggae on January 03, 2012, 09:54:16 AM
Quote from: Augustus on January 03, 2012, 08:50:51 AM
I think it's just when roggae posts, he usually ends the thread.
Dude brings nothing to these discussions.
i don't bring anything to these discussions because i don't think discussing music is very fruitful. i thought you were done with phish anyway?
I said I was taking 2011 from
seeing shows, yes.
Quote from: mattstick on January 03, 2012, 09:19:47 AM
If they had played that April '93 show during this run people would have loved it.
I would hope so but I wonder if fans have become a little over-critical as they age and develop their musical tastes. I'm not saying that it shouldn't happen, I know my dad has completely changed his musical tastes since he was younger. It's a natural progression in musical taste.
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on January 03, 2012, 09:56:36 AM
Quote from: mattstick on January 03, 2012, 09:19:47 AM
If they had played that April '93 show during this run people would have loved it.
I would hope so but I wonder if fans have become a little over-critical as they age and develop their musical tastes. I'm not saying that it shouldn't happen, I know my dad has completely changed his musical tastes since he was younger. It's a natural progression in musical taste.
In the past, if the band had a meh Tour or year, they bounced back and headed in a new direction.
Like I posted earlier, 3.0 has been pretty much the same show for three years.
Personally, I feel like it has gotten worse.
I had more FUN in 'o9 and like more jams from that year than ones from '10 and '11.
Quote from: Augustus on January 03, 2012, 09:55:51 AM
Quote from: roggae on January 03, 2012, 09:54:16 AM
Quote from: Augustus on January 03, 2012, 08:50:51 AM
I think it's just when roggae posts, he usually ends the thread.
Dude brings nothing to these discussions.
i don't bring anything to these discussions because i don't think discussing music is very fruitful. i thought you were done with phish anyway?
I said I was taking 2011 from seeing shows, yes.
ah. cool. that's too bad. i'd love to
see you at a show. you're more than welcome to stay at our place for the alpine shows in june. i'd even take you to work with me and let you dig through the 250,000 records we have.
That's very kind of you!
I'm sure you'd have more substantial thoughts and insight on Phish in real life instead of here on the internet.
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on January 03, 2012, 09:56:36 AM
Quote from: mattstick on January 03, 2012, 09:19:47 AM
If they had played that April '93 show during this run people would have loved it.
I would hope so but I wonder if fans have become a little over-critical as they age and develop their musical tastes. I'm not saying that it shouldn't happen, I know my dad has completely changed his musical tastes since he was younger. It's a natural progression in musical taste.
True, but I find myself getting ready to head back up state today, and am loading music on my iPod for the drive. This would without a doubt usually be the NYE shows (even the last two years), just to see what I missed. Instead this year, I'm loading up the moe. sbds, and that's saying something. Not that I'm over-critical so much, just that whatever these shows were definitely didn't do it for me.
Quote from: barnesy305 on January 03, 2012, 09:32:43 AM
BTW, has anyone else noticed, among all this knit-picking, that review in the title of the thread is spelled wrong?
Yes.
I've been trying to get through the entire thread to see if it had been mentioned.
+k to Barnesy.
More on topic (and less meta), I can see how this would have been fun to attend. Watching the video below is the only time I've enjoyed Steam.
http://youtu.be/51LeCswsTMw
But, honestly, when they go into DWD I just want the jamming from nye '93. I realize that THAT is MY PROBLEM but they don't do much to make me forget it and THAT'S their failing.
Lastly, This here is the first candidate for 2012 Post Of The Year:
Quote from: VA $l!m on January 02, 2012, 06:25:04 PM
of course,,,
the tone is a deal breaker for me though.
its like being married to a girl for 20 years and she decides to get a penis implant.
as much as i may love the bitch it just aint the same.
Quote from: barnesy305 on January 03, 2012, 09:32:43 AM
BTW, has anyone else noticed, among all this knit-picking, that review in the title of the thread is spelled wrong?
I missed that, but I did get hung up on the spelling of Suzy Greenburg (don't worry, whatapiper, spelling is hard :wink:). To be fair, we were kinda worked up after the heat in the third set.
To Pie Guy's point, I think the difference between your buddy being bored with Phish and the criticism throughout this thread is the level of playing. Maybe dude didn't like the way they sounded in '93, but I think he'd be hard pressed to argue they were playing poorly. This show/run is different. It's not just that I hate Trey's processed tone or that the setlists make me want to punch myself (yes to both), it's that they sounded so lost for much of this run to me. It's more than an occasional flub here or there; there are stretches of 3, 4 songs in a row where they just didn't sound like they were listening or interested in what the other members were saying (and it wasn't just Trey, although he certainly was the main culprit). To me, that's a more fundamental issue than whether or not they are a rawk band now.
I noticed people mentioning they ran out of songs (or rehearsed songs) for the 3rd set on NYE but did anyone notice the lack of RR material. I only saw Pebbles & Marbles off that album for the entire run.
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on January 03, 2012, 10:54:21 AM
I noticed people mentioning they ran out of songs (or rehearsed songs) for the 3rd set on NYE but did anyone notice the lack of RR material. I only saw Pebbles & Marbles off that album for the entire run.
46 Days
Quote from: runawayjimbo on January 03, 2012, 11:12:50 AM
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on January 03, 2012, 10:54:21 AM
I noticed people mentioning they ran out of songs (or rehearsed songs) for the 3rd set on NYE but did anyone notice the lack of RR material. I only saw Pebbles & Marbles off that album for the entire run.
46 Days
Right, missed that. Guess I was thinking 7 Below, S&SS, Waves or Walls of the Cave would all have been viable options for that 3rd set.
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on January 03, 2012, 11:26:57 AM
Quote from: runawayjimbo on January 03, 2012, 11:12:50 AM
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on January 03, 2012, 10:54:21 AM
I noticed people mentioning they ran out of songs (or rehearsed songs) for the 3rd set on NYE but did anyone notice the lack of RR material. I only saw Pebbles & Marbles off that album for the entire run.
46 Days
Right, missed that. Guess I was thinking 7 Below, S&SS, Waves or Walls of the Cave would all have been viable options for that 3rd set.
Absolutely (except I don't think S&SS is off RR :wink:)
Quote from: runawayjimbo on January 03, 2012, 11:52:58 AM
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on January 03, 2012, 11:26:57 AM
Quote from: runawayjimbo on January 03, 2012, 11:12:50 AM
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on January 03, 2012, 10:54:21 AM
I noticed people mentioning they ran out of songs (or rehearsed songs) for the 3rd set on NYE but did anyone notice the lack of RR material. I only saw Pebbles & Marbles off that album for the entire run.
46 Days
Right, missed that. Guess I was thinking 7 Below, S&SS, Waves or Walls of the Cave would all have been viable options for that 3rd set.
Absolutely (except I don't think S&SS is off RR :wink:)
Damn it, you're right again, I give up on Phish. :oops:
Still would like to see it in some of the setlists.
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on January 03, 2012, 12:42:59 PM
Quote from: runawayjimbo on January 03, 2012, 11:52:58 AM
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on January 03, 2012, 11:26:57 AM
Quote from: runawayjimbo on January 03, 2012, 11:12:50 AM
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on January 03, 2012, 10:54:21 AM
I noticed people mentioning they ran out of songs (or rehearsed songs) for the 3rd set on NYE but did anyone notice the lack of RR material. I only saw Pebbles & Marbles off that album for the entire run.
46 Days
Right, missed that. Guess I was thinking 7 Below, S&SS, Waves or Walls of the Cave would all have been viable options for that 3rd set.
Absolutely (except I don't think S&SS is off RR :wink:)
Damn it, you're right again, I give up on Phish. :oops:
Still would like to see it in some of the setlists.
Undermind (the song) could use some more plays IMO.
Quote from: Hicks on January 03, 2012, 12:46:47 PM
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on January 03, 2012, 12:42:59 PM
Quote from: runawayjimbo on January 03, 2012, 11:52:58 AM
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on January 03, 2012, 11:26:57 AM
Quote from: runawayjimbo on January 03, 2012, 11:12:50 AM
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on January 03, 2012, 10:54:21 AM
I noticed people mentioning they ran out of songs (or rehearsed songs) for the 3rd set on NYE but did anyone notice the lack of RR material. I only saw Pebbles & Marbles off that album for the entire run.
46 Days
Right, missed that. Guess I was thinking 7 Below, S&SS, Waves or Walls of the Cave would all have been viable options for that 3rd set.
Absolutely (except I don't think S&SS is off RR :wink:)
Damn it, you're right again, I give up on Phish. :oops:
Still would like to see it in some of the setlists.
Undermind (the song) could use some more plays IMO.
Something along the lines of the UIC version would suit me just fine.
Hampton 'o9 and CCCC were pretty good.
Quote from: Augustus on January 03, 2012, 10:14:21 AM
That's very kind of you!
I'm sure you'd have more substantial thoughts and insight on Phish in real life instead of here on the internet.
I'd like to think so. I do enough critical discussion of music in my real life. My entire intention for visiting week4paug was pretty much to discuss how awesome Phish is. I spend enough time defending them to the music snobs I associate with in real life. Personally spending my time on here criticizing Phish seems to be fruitless. I'm personally more inclined to fluff with Scott and George. I've said it before and I'll say it again this place is a refuge for me. One of these years I'll learn that I don't have any valuable criticisms to add here and stop posting in these threads all together. Then what will I do? Engage people in the real world?
http://mobile.theonion.com/articles/man-lives-in-futuristic-scifi-world-where-all-his,17858/?mobile=true
I haven't heard a nye show prior to 1994, but after dissecting this one, it wins at being the worst of the ones I've heard
12/31/95
12/31/99
12/31/97
12/31/94
12/31/98
12/31/03
12/31/96
12/31/09
12/31/10
12/31/11
Quote from: sophist on January 03, 2012, 01:18:31 PM
I haven't heard a nye show prior to 1994, but after dissecting this one, it wins at being the worst of the ones I've heard
12/31/95
12/31/99
12/31/97
12/31/94
12/31/98
12/31/03
12/31/96
12/31/09
12/31/10
12/31/11
You've never heard 12/31/93?
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_gZEKCBxNWlY/SrhPxgDrxSI/AAAAAAAAAr8/NjiG7SauBXs/s400/scanners+head+explosion.jpg)
Also, 98 beats 97 by a mile in my book.
Quote from: Hicks on January 03, 2012, 01:26:07 PM
Quote from: sophist on January 03, 2012, 01:18:31 PM
I haven't heard a nye show prior to 1994, but after dissecting this one, it wins at being the worst of the ones I've heard
12/31/95
12/31/99
12/31/97
12/31/94
12/31/98
12/31/03
12/31/96
12/31/09
12/31/10
12/31/11
You've never heard 12/31/93?
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_gZEKCBxNWlY/SrhPxgDrxSI/AAAAAAAAAr8/NjiG7SauBXs/s400/scanners+head+explosion.jpg)
'pauging privileges should be temporarily suspended until this gets corrected
Quote from: slslbs on January 03, 2012, 01:36:16 PM
Quote from: Hicks on January 03, 2012, 01:26:07 PM
Quote from: sophist on January 03, 2012, 01:18:31 PM
I haven't heard a nye show prior to 1994, but after dissecting this one, it wins at being the worst of the ones I've heard
12/31/95
12/31/99
12/31/97
12/31/94
12/31/98
12/31/03
12/31/96
12/31/09
12/31/10
12/31/11
You've never heard 12/31/93?
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_gZEKCBxNWlY/SrhPxgDrxSI/AAAAAAAAAr8/NjiG7SauBXs/s400/scanners+head+explosion.jpg)
'pauging privileges should be temporarily suspended until this gets corrected
12/30/03 second set had some of the most cringe-worthy moments I've ever witnessed first hand. There you have it my best attempt at adding to the discussion.
Quote from: Hicks on January 03, 2012, 01:26:07 PM
Quote from: sophist on January 03, 2012, 01:18:31 PM
I haven't heard a nye show prior to 1994, but after dissecting this one, it wins at being the worst of the ones I've heard
12/31/95
12/31/99
12/31/97
12/31/94
12/31/98
12/31/03
12/31/96
12/31/09
12/31/10
12/31/11
You've never heard 12/31/93?
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_gZEKCBxNWlY/SrhPxgDrxSI/AAAAAAAAAr8/NjiG7SauBXs/s400/scanners+head+explosion.jpg)
Also, 98 beats 97 by a mile in my book.
Agreed on both.
Aside from the Weekapaug, '97 doesn't do much for me.
Check that Maze for lack of ideas.
I was waiting for a NYE poll. 98 would definitely be very close to the top
Quote from: slslbs on January 03, 2012, 01:47:16 PM
I was waiting for a NYE poll. 98 would definitely be very close to the top
Freal, show is ridiculously underrated.
Quote from: slslbs on January 03, 2012, 01:47:16 PM
I was waiting for a NYE poll. 98 would definitely be very close to the top
Those first two sets are so solid.
But, this was back when Mike's, Ghost and Tweezer were still about making statements.
I will say that the "gag" for '98 was bunk.
Pyrotechnics?
I guess the real gag was the 1999 opener with the dancers.
That's how you start a show!
Quote from: Augustus on January 03, 2012, 01:52:29 PM
I will say that the "gag" for '98 was bunk.
Pyrotechnics?
I guess the real gag was the 1999 opener with the dancers.
That's how you start a show!
Totally. That 1999 couldn't have been a more perfect choice.
Care to elaborate on the 98 gag? Im not familiar/forgot...
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on January 03, 2012, 02:04:11 PM
Quote from: Augustus on January 03, 2012, 01:52:29 PM
I will say that the "gag" for '98 was bunk.
Pyrotechnics?
I guess the real gag was the 1999 opener with the dancers.
That's how you start a show!
Totally. That 1999 couldn't have been a more perfect choice.
Care to elaborate on the 98 gag? Im not familiar/forgot...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQndI3I1Nc4
After thinking about the topic a bit, I sort of see where some people are coming from. Although a discussion is always going to include criticism of a show if deemed necessary, there is no need to post the same criticism multiple times in the thread.
I blame my actions on having 2 moe. shows to transfer yesterday because I forgot my SD card reader at home when I went to ME.
Carry on your fluffing and I'll only post one hateful comment per show in the summer ;)
I don't think I offended anyone but my apologies if I did.
It's funny when people say that "you had to be there".
I've done a bunch of NYE at MSG and no energy in that room is gonna make this show (or run) sound good.
Quote from: Augustus on January 03, 2012, 02:27:05 PM
It's funny when people say that "you had to be there".
I've done a bunch of NYE at MSG and no energy in that room is gonna make this show (or run) sound good.
on the other hand, I wasn't at any of them. I'll take it on faith that everyone there had a great time, and have no problem with that.
When I listen to a show like 12/31/95 or 98 (or 93 or 94), you can't help but dance around. you didn't have to be there to get it, although I'm sure it would have been that much better if I was.
as an aside, I've been to more than one show that I love when I was there, heard it a couple times on playback, and won't listen to again.
Quote from: slslbs on January 03, 2012, 03:15:15 PM
Quote from: Augustus on January 03, 2012, 02:27:05 PM
It's funny when people say that "you had to be there".
I've done a bunch of NYE at MSG and no energy in that room is gonna make this show (or run) sound good.
on the other hand, I wasn't at any of them. I'll take it on faith that everyone there had a great time, and have no problem with that.
When I listen to a show like 12/31/95 or 98 (or 93 or 94), you can't help but dance around. you didn't have to be there to get it, although I'm sure it would have been that much better if I was.
as an aside, I've been to more than one show that I love when I was there, heard it a couple times on playback, and won't listen to again.
Exactly, and really this where my beef with 3.0 lies.
The Phish I love was great for home listening too, and I think that getting into the band via tapes is a HUGE part of what the band and the culture that surrounds them has always been about.
It's just kind of sad that you can't get that same experience from 3.0.
Quote from: slslbs on January 03, 2012, 01:36:16 PM
Quote from: Hicks on January 03, 2012, 01:26:07 PM
Quote from: sophist on January 03, 2012, 01:18:31 PM
I haven't heard a nye show prior to 1994, but after dissecting this one, it wins at being the worst of the ones I've heard
12/31/95
12/31/99
12/31/97
12/31/94
12/31/98
12/31/03
12/31/96
12/31/09
12/31/10
12/31/11
You've never heard 12/31/93?
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_gZEKCBxNWlY/SrhPxgDrxSI/AAAAAAAAAr8/NjiG7SauBXs/s400/scanners+head+explosion.jpg)
'pauging privileges should be temporarily suspended until this gets corrected
ser. , i'm the slacker round these parts and i've even heard that one!
Quote from: VA $l!m on January 03, 2012, 03:17:39 PM
Quote from: slslbs on January 03, 2012, 01:36:16 PM
Quote from: Hicks on January 03, 2012, 01:26:07 PM
Quote from: sophist on January 03, 2012, 01:18:31 PM
I haven't heard a nye show prior to 1994, but after dissecting this one, it wins at being the worst of the ones I've heard
12/31/95
12/31/99
12/31/97
12/31/94
12/31/98
12/31/03
12/31/96
12/31/09
12/31/10
12/31/11
You've never heard 12/31/93?
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_gZEKCBxNWlY/SrhPxgDrxSI/AAAAAAAAAr8/NjiG7SauBXs/s400/scanners+head+explosion.jpg)
'pauging privileges should be temporarily suspended until this gets corrected
ser. , i'm the slacker round these parts and i've even heard that one!
Quote from: Hicks on January 03, 2012, 03:17:32 PM
Quote from: slslbs on January 03, 2012, 03:15:15 PM
Quote from: Augustus on January 03, 2012, 02:27:05 PM
It's funny when people say that "you had to be there".
I've done a bunch of NYE at MSG and no energy in that room is gonna make this show (or run) sound good.
on the other hand, I wasn't at any of them. I'll take it on faith that everyone there had a great time, and have no problem with that.
When I listen to a show like 12/31/95 or 98 (or 93 or 94), you can't help but dance around. you didn't have to be there to get it, although I'm sure it would have been that much better if I was.
as an aside, I've been to more than one show that I love when I was there, heard it a couple times on playback, and won't listen to again.
Exactly, and really this where my beef with 3.0 lies.
The Phish I love was great for home listening too, and I think that getting into the band via tapes is a HUGE part of what the band and the culture that surrounds them has always been about.
It's just kind of sad that you can't get that same experience from 3.0.
I have two "you had to be there" shows...12-31-1995 and 09-29-2000.
That's the thing with 3.0, tho. People just HATE when you bash the show that they traveled to, spent insane amounts of money on tickets for, took vacation time, used flight points on and spent $90 on schwag beer and $100 on drugs to only have to log on to week4paug and see couch surfers bash "their" show.
for some reason, I don't think you had to convince anyone who wasn't there that 12-31-95 was a great show.
Quote from: slslbs on January 03, 2012, 04:10:29 PM
for some reason, I don't think you had to convince anyone who wasn't there that 12-31-95 was a great show.
Surprisingly, there are a lot of haters.
:?
did they hate all of fall 95 (ie the folks who stopped listening after 93) or just NYE
I've said it before, but on tape I prefer 98 over 95.
::ducks::
::heads straight to spreadsheet and downloads 12/31/93::
::passes go but does not collect $200 lot dollars::
^^
paug status restored
Quote from: Hicks on January 03, 2012, 04:35:12 PM
I've said it before, but on tape I prefer 98 over 95.
::ducks::
^^^
paug status removed
Quote from: Augustus on January 03, 2012, 04:48:58 PM
Quote from: Hicks on January 03, 2012, 04:35:12 PM
I've said it before, but on tape I prefer 98 over 95.
::ducks::
^^^
paug status removed
I'm surprised RJ even let that post through.
Quote from: Hicks on January 03, 2012, 05:00:14 PM
Quote from: Augustus on January 03, 2012, 04:48:58 PM
Quote from: Hicks on January 03, 2012, 04:35:12 PM
I've said it before, but on tape I prefer 98 over 95.
::ducks::
^^^
paug status removed
meh
Heard the paug sucks these days anyhow.
Nothing but negative reviews of shitty shows.
Quote from: sophist on January 03, 2012, 04:44:04 PM
::heads straight to spreadsheet and downloads 12/31/93::
::passes go but does not collect $200 lot dollars::
prepare for yem rawk peak face meltage.
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on January 03, 2012, 05:16:51 PM
Quote from: sophist on January 03, 2012, 04:44:04 PM
::heads straight to spreadsheet and downloads 12/31/93::
::passes go but does not collect $200 lot dollars::
prepare for yem rawk peak face meltage.
He's really gonna hate 3.0 now.
Quote from: Augustus on January 03, 2012, 03:22:13 PM
Quote from: Hicks on January 03, 2012, 03:17:32 PM
Quote from: slslbs on January 03, 2012, 03:15:15 PM
Quote from: Augustus on January 03, 2012, 02:27:05 PM
It's funny when people say that "you had to be there".
I've done a bunch of NYE at MSG and no energy in that room is gonna make this show (or run) sound good.
on the other hand, I wasn't at any of them. I'll take it on faith that everyone there had a great time, and have no problem with that.
When I listen to a show like 12/31/95 or 98 (or 93 or 94), you can't help but dance around. you didn't have to be there to get it, although I'm sure it would have been that much better if I was.
as an aside, I've been to more than one show that I love when I was there, heard it a couple times on playback, and won't listen to again.
Exactly, and really this where my beef with 3.0 lies.
The Phish I love was great for home listening too, and I think that getting into the band via tapes is a HUGE part of what the band and the culture that surrounds them has always been about.
It's just kind of sad that you can't get that same experience from 3.0.
I have two "you had to be there" shows...12-31-1995 and 09-29-2000.
That's the thing with 3.0, tho. People just HATE when you bash the show that they traveled to, spent insane amounts of money on tickets for, took vacation time, used flight points on and spent $90 on schwag beer and $100 on drugs to only have to log on to week4paug and see couch surfers bash "their" show.
Agreed, but for a nugget like 8/14/09 every now and then, I'll still make the drive once a year or so. I've said before that JB2 of Summer 2010 was the turning point for me. Tour closer and the boys phoned it in. I even got roped into driving to Great Woods this summer after I said I wasn't going to go; although i had a good time with friends the show was average 3.0.
Don't think I'd pony up $500 or more to get STEAMED at MSG, but if a ticket landed in my lap and I was going with some paugers I'd hit it up. Live show is a live show.
Quote from: Augustus on January 03, 2012, 03:22:13 PM
Quote from: Hicks on January 03, 2012, 03:17:32 PM
Quote from: slslbs on January 03, 2012, 03:15:15 PM
Quote from: Augustus on January 03, 2012, 02:27:05 PM
It's funny when people say that "you had to be there".
I've done a bunch of NYE at MSG and no energy in that room is gonna make this show (or run) sound good.
on the other hand, I wasn't at any of them. I'll take it on faith that everyone there had a great time, and have no problem with that.
When I listen to a show like 12/31/95 or 98 (or 93 or 94), you can't help but dance around. you didn't have to be there to get it, although I'm sure it would have been that much better if I was.
as an aside, I've been to more than one show that I love when I was there, heard it a couple times on playback, and won't listen to again.
Exactly, and really this where my beef with 3.0 lies.
The Phish I love was great for home listening too, and I think that getting into the band via tapes is a HUGE part of what the band and the culture that surrounds them has always been about.
It's just kind of sad that you can't get that same experience from 3.0.
I have two "you had to be there" shows...12-31-1995 and 09-29-2000.
That's the thing with 3.0, tho. People just HATE when you bash the show that they traveled to, spent insane amounts of money on tickets for, took vacation time, used flight points on and spent $90 on schwag beer and $100 on drugs to only have to log on to week4paug and see couch surfers bash "their" show.
This is pretty much the point I've been trying to make this whole time, but in fewer words. Thanks aug.
And as shoreline said, a live show is a live show. I know the word is sort of a joke around here at this point, but phish shows are fun! They're a party band, and always have been... Just sometimes the music has been better than other times...
Quote from: McGrupp on January 03, 2012, 09:06:59 PM
Quote from: Augustus on January 03, 2012, 03:22:13 PM
Quote from: Hicks on January 03, 2012, 03:17:32 PM
Quote from: slslbs on January 03, 2012, 03:15:15 PM
Quote from: Augustus on January 03, 2012, 02:27:05 PM
It's funny when people say that "you had to be there".
I've done a bunch of NYE at MSG and no energy in that room is gonna make this show (or run) sound good.
on the other hand, I wasn't at any of them. I'll take it on faith that everyone there had a great time, and have no problem with that.
When I listen to a show like 12/31/95 or 98 (or 93 or 94), you can't help but dance around. you didn't have to be there to get it, although I'm sure it would have been that much better if I was.
as an aside, I've been to more than one show that I love when I was there, heard it a couple times on playback, and won't listen to again.
Exactly, and really this where my beef with 3.0 lies.
The Phish I love was great for home listening too, and I think that getting into the band via tapes is a HUGE part of what the band and the culture that surrounds them has always been about.
It's just kind of sad that you can't get that same experience from 3.0.
I have two "you had to be there" shows...12-31-1995 and 09-29-2000.
That's the thing with 3.0, tho. People just HATE when you bash the show that they traveled to, spent insane amounts of money on tickets for, took vacation time, used flight points on and spent $90 on schwag beer and $100 on drugs to only have to log on to week4paug and see couch surfers bash "their" show.
This is pretty much the point I've been trying to make this whole time, but in fewer words. Thanks aug.
And as shoreline said, a live show is a live show. I know the word is sort of a joke around here at this point, but phish shows are fun! They're a party band, and always have been... Just sometimes the music has been better than other times...
This is true, I always have a good time. That being said, there are often times in 3.0 that my buzz gets killed by aborted jams (or just lack of jams in general). I still go back, but damn.
Quote from: Fluffhead234508 on January 01, 2012, 06:09:55 PM
I used to be jealous of the phans who got to see Phish back in the 90s, but now I think the veterans should be jealous of the noobs, we actually get to enjoy the shows. Last night was, simply put, the greatest experience of my entire life. I do not care that they didn't take any risks. I do not care that they didn't jam. I do not care that they played Alaska and Velvet in the 3rd set. What I do care about is everyone in my section hugging each other during fluffhead. I care about seeing Lawn Boy and realizing how special of a song it is to experience live. I care about the smiles on Trey and Mike's faces as they ran around the stage in the 3rd set. Most importantly, I care that I live in a world where I get to experience this superhuman artistic experience. Thank you Phish
Dude, you've got to explain this one to me. This is hilarious! Please help me understand what it is I'm supposed to be jealous of and what exactly do you mean that you actually get to enjoy the shows.
One of the most dumbfounding things I have ever read - anywhere.
:roll:
Quote from: mehead on January 03, 2012, 10:45:47 PM
Quote from: Fluffhead234508 on January 01, 2012, 06:09:55 PM
I used to be jealous of the phans who got to see Phish back in the 90s, but now I think the veterans should be jealous of the noobs, we actually get to enjoy the shows. Last night was, simply put, the greatest experience of my entire life. I do not care that they didn't take any risks. I do not care that they didn't jam. I do not care that they played Alaska and Velvet in the 3rd set. What I do care about is everyone in my section hugging each other during fluffhead. I care about seeing Lawn Boy and realizing how special of a song it is to experience live. I care about the smiles on Trey and Mike's faces as they ran around the stage in the 3rd set. Most importantly, I care that I live in a world where I get to experience this superhuman artistic experience. Thank you Phish
Dude, you've got to explain this one to me. This is hilarious! Please help me understand what it is I'm supposed to be jealous of and what exactly do you mean that you actually get to enjoy the shows.
One of the most dumbfounding things I have ever read - anywhere.
:roll:
Yeah...
Quote from: McGrupp on January 03, 2012, 11:07:04 PM
Quote from: mehead on January 03, 2012, 10:45:47 PM
Quote from: Fluffhead234508 on January 01, 2012, 06:09:55 PM
I used to be jealous of the phans who got to see Phish back in the 90s, but now I think the veterans should be jealous of the noobs, we actually get to enjoy the shows. Last night was, simply put, the greatest experience of my entire life. I do not care that they didn't take any risks. I do not care that they didn't jam. I do not care that they played Alaska and Velvet in the 3rd set. What I do care about is everyone in my section hugging each other during fluffhead. I care about seeing Lawn Boy and realizing how special of a song it is to experience live. I care about the smiles on Trey and Mike's faces as they ran around the stage in the 3rd set. Most importantly, I care that I live in a world where I get to experience this superhuman artistic experience. Thank you Phish
Dude, you've got to explain this one to me. This is hilarious! Please help me understand what it is I'm supposed to be jealous of and what exactly do you mean that you actually get to enjoy the shows.
One of the most dumbfounding things I have ever read - anywhere.
:roll:
Yeah...
In defense of Fluffhead1234 or whatever#, my most favorite GD experience in person of all the GD shows I caught from 89 to 95, and I am embarrassed to admit this, is Shoreline '95 third night. It's a trainwreck of a show on tape, a total fucking disaster. Jerry couldn't play a note to save his life. But tears fell from the speakers that night. I finally got backstage, like real backstage, was flying on a thumbprint that well......, was winning at life, had the hottest California girlfriend EVAH, and in my state it sounded like the greatest GD show ever played. The emotions that show brought forth, I will take to my grave. For a very small sliver of time, the universe revealed itself to me and I understood its magic. If you asked me to give up all the GD shows/experiences I caught live, save for one, it would be Shoreline '95. Keep in mind, I saw caught pretty decent GD shows. Perception is everything, reality means nothing.
Oh, I'm loaded drunk right now. This post took me an hour to write.
Quote from: Superfreakie on January 04, 2012, 12:07:52 AM
Quote from: McGrupp on January 03, 2012, 11:07:04 PM
Quote from: mehead on January 03, 2012, 10:45:47 PM
Quote from: Fluffhead234508 on January 01, 2012, 06:09:55 PM
I used to be jealous of the phans who got to see Phish back in the 90s, but now I think the veterans should be jealous of the noobs, we actually get to enjoy the shows. Last night was, simply put, the greatest experience of my entire life. I do not care that they didn't take any risks. I do not care that they didn't jam. I do not care that they played Alaska and Velvet in the 3rd set. What I do care about is everyone in my section hugging each other during fluffhead. I care about seeing Lawn Boy and realizing how special of a song it is to experience live. I care about the smiles on Trey and Mike's faces as they ran around the stage in the 3rd set. Most importantly, I care that I live in a world where I get to experience this superhuman artistic experience. Thank you Phish
Dude, you've got to explain this one to me. This is hilarious! Please help me understand what it is I'm supposed to be jealous of and what exactly do you mean that you actually get to enjoy the shows.
One of the most dumbfounding things I have ever read - anywhere.
:roll:
Yeah...
In defense of Fluffhead1234 or whatever#, my most favorite GD experience in person of all the GD shows I caught from 89 to 95, and I am embarrassed to admit this, is Shoreline '95 third night. It's a trainwreck of a show on tape, a total fucking disaster. Jerry couldn't play a note to save his life. But tears fell from the speakers that night. I finally got backstage, like real backstage, was flying on a thumbprint that well......, was winning at life, had the hottest California girlfriend EVAH, and in my state it sounded like the greatest GD show ever played. The emotions that show brought forth, I will take to my grave. For a very small sliver of time, the universe revealed itself to me and I understood its magic. If you asked me to give up all the GD shows/experiences I caught live, save for one, it would be Shoreline '95. Keep in mind, I saw caught pretty decent GD shows. Perception is everything, reality means nothing.
Oh, I'm loaded drunk right now. This post took me an hour to write.
Gonna go ahead and quote this one for posterity just in case you are tempted to delete it. :laugh:
Also, something tells me this Fluffhead guy was not on a thumbprint at MSG.
Quote from: sophist on January 03, 2012, 04:50:34 PM
Quote from: Augustus on January 03, 2012, 04:48:58 PM
Quote from: Hicks on January 03, 2012, 04:35:12 PM
I've said it before, but on tape I prefer 98 over 95.
::ducks::
^^^
paug status removed
I'm surprised RJ even let that post through.
Too busy reeling from your ridiculous revelation. Glad to see you're on top of that problem.
Ikki, on the other hand, he's just gonna go right ahead and be wrong and I can't stop him.
Quote from: mehead on January 03, 2012, 10:45:47 PM
Quote from: Fluffhead234508 on January 01, 2012, 06:09:55 PM
I used to be jealous of the phans who got to see Phish back in the 90s, but now I think the veterans should be jealous of the noobs, we actually get to enjoy the shows. Last night was, simply put, the greatest experience of my entire life. I do not care that they didn't take any risks. I do not care that they didn't jam. I do not care that they played Alaska and Velvet in the 3rd set. What I do care about is everyone in my section hugging each other during fluffhead. I care about seeing Lawn Boy and realizing how special of a song it is to experience live. I care about the smiles on Trey and Mike's faces as they ran around the stage in the 3rd set. Most importantly, I care that I live in a world where I get to experience this superhuman artistic experience. Thank you Phish
Dude, you've got to explain this one to me. This is hilarious! Please help me understand what it is I'm supposed to be jealous of and what exactly do you mean that you actually get to enjoy the shows.
One of the most dumbfounding things I have ever read - anywhere.
:roll:
Pretty sure what he's saying is that he's glad he's able to enjoy all eras of phish, rather than only accepting one version of the band.
Quote from: Superfreakie on January 04, 2012, 12:07:52 AM
Quote from: McGrupp on January 03, 2012, 11:07:04 PM
Quote from: mehead on January 03, 2012, 10:45:47 PM
Quote from: Fluffhead234508 on January 01, 2012, 06:09:55 PM
I used to be jealous of the phans who got to see Phish back in the 90s, but now I think the veterans should be jealous of the noobs, we actually get to enjoy the shows. Last night was, simply put, the greatest experience of my entire life. I do not care that they didn't take any risks. I do not care that they didn't jam. I do not care that they played Alaska and Velvet in the 3rd set. What I do care about is everyone in my section hugging each other during fluffhead. I care about seeing Lawn Boy and realizing how special of a song it is to experience live. I care about the smiles on Trey and Mike's faces as they ran around the stage in the 3rd set. Most importantly, I care that I live in a world where I get to experience this superhuman artistic experience. Thank you Phish
Dude, you've got to explain this one to me. This is hilarious! Please help me understand what it is I'm supposed to be jealous of and what exactly do you mean that you actually get to enjoy the shows.
One of the most dumbfounding things I have ever read - anywhere.
:roll:
Yeah...
In defense of Fluffhead1234 or whatever#, my most favorite GD experience in person of all the GD shows I caught from 89 to 95, and I am embarrassed to admit this, is Shoreline '95 third night. It's a trainwreck of a show on tape, a total fucking disaster. Jerry couldn't play a note to save his life. But tears fell from the speakers that night. I finally got backstage, like real backstage, was flying on a thumbprint that well......, was winning at life, had the hottest California girlfriend EVAH, and in my state it sounded like the greatest GD show ever played. The emotions that show brought forth, I will take to my grave. For a very small sliver of time, the universe revealed itself to me and I understood its magic. If you asked me to give up all the GD shows/experiences I caught live, save for one, it would be Shoreline '95. Keep in mind, I saw caught pretty decent GD shows. Perception is everything, reality means nothing.
Oh, I'm loaded drunk right now. This post took me an hour to write.
I'm gonna go ahead and +k you right now.
Quote from: shoreline99 on January 04, 2012, 09:27:51 AM
Quote from: Superfreakie on January 04, 2012, 12:07:52 AM
Quote from: McGrupp on January 03, 2012, 11:07:04 PM
Quote from: mehead on January 03, 2012, 10:45:47 PM
Quote from: Fluffhead234508 on January 01, 2012, 06:09:55 PM
I used to be jealous of the phans who got to see Phish back in the 90s, but now I think the veterans should be jealous of the noobs, we actually get to enjoy the shows. Last night was, simply put, the greatest experience of my entire life. I do not care that they didn't take any risks. I do not care that they didn't jam. I do not care that they played Alaska and Velvet in the 3rd set. What I do care about is everyone in my section hugging each other during fluffhead. I care about seeing Lawn Boy and realizing how special of a song it is to experience live. I care about the smiles on Trey and Mike's faces as they ran around the stage in the 3rd set. Most importantly, I care that I live in a world where I get to experience this superhuman artistic experience. Thank you Phish
Dude, you've got to explain this one to me. This is hilarious! Please help me understand what it is I'm supposed to be jealous of and what exactly do you mean that you actually get to enjoy the shows.
One of the most dumbfounding things I have ever read - anywhere.
:roll:
Yeah...
In defense of Fluffhead1234 or whatever#, my most favorite GD experience in person of all the GD shows I caught from 89 to 95, and I am embarrassed to admit this, is Shoreline '95 third night. It's a trainwreck of a show on tape, a total fucking disaster. Jerry couldn't play a note to save his life. But tears fell from the speakers that night. I finally got backstage, like real backstage, was flying on a thumbprint that well......, was winning at life, had the hottest California girlfriend EVAH, and in my state it sounded like the greatest GD show ever played. The emotions that show brought forth, I will take to my grave. For a very small sliver of time, the universe revealed itself to me and I understood its magic. If you asked me to give up all the GD shows/experiences I caught live, save for one, it would be Shoreline '95. Keep in mind, I saw caught pretty decent GD shows. Perception is everything, reality means nothing.
Oh, I'm loaded drunk right now. This post took me an hour to write.
I'm gonna go ahead and +k you right now.
Seriously. Reading that post was more fun than listening to this show.
I had one of the best nights of my life on 6/21/09. I'd never say it was a good show.
Quote from: Hicks on January 03, 2012, 04:35:12 PM
I've said it before, but on tape I prefer 98 over 95.
::ducks::
/signed.
personally 97, 98, 99 are my fav 3 years before everything else.
and then i will 94 and 93 before i'll get to 95.
just taste.
Quote from: VA $l!m on January 04, 2012, 11:01:52 AM
Quote from: Hicks on January 03, 2012, 04:35:12 PM
I've said it before, but on tape I prefer 98 over 95.
::ducks::
/signed.
personally 97, 98, 99 are my fav 3 years before everything else.
and then i will 94 and 93 before i'll get to 95.
just taste.
so
97
98
99
94
93
95
Does not compute
Quote from: birdman on January 04, 2012, 12:04:56 PM
Quote from: VA $l!m on January 04, 2012, 11:01:52 AM
Quote from: Hicks on January 03, 2012, 04:35:12 PM
I've said it before, but on tape I prefer 98 over 95.
::ducks::
/signed.
personally 97, 98, 99 are my fav 3 years before everything else.
and then i will 94 and 93 before i'll get to 95.
just taste.
so
97
98
99
94
93
95
Does not compute
Unless it's a top ten list - letterman style - where your counting down to number one.
this conversation just keeps on going... i guess this show is good for something.
then of course there is the ultimate phish 'you had to be there' show, cypress. say anything bad about that one and people who attended bring out the machetes.
one of my favorite phish experiences was Roseland. but i sure don't ever listen to that show anymore, since it's rather dull overall. but at the time, well... my brain was cronenberging all over the place, for all kinds of reasons.
NYE '95 is full of great stuff, and some slop. NYE '93 > NYE '95.
Quote from: birdman on January 04, 2012, 12:04:56 PM
Quote from: VA $l!m on January 04, 2012, 11:01:52 AM
Quote from: Hicks on January 03, 2012, 04:35:12 PM
I've said it before, but on tape I prefer 98 over 95.
::ducks::
/signed.
personally 97, 98, 99 are my fav 3 years before everything else.
and then i will 94 and 93 before i'll get to 95.
just taste.
so
97
98
99
94
93
95
Does not compute
no, i wasnt putting those in order, but since you asked... its honestly hard for me to qualify. there are different perspectives on how i 'rate' the years. there's things like overall "sound or style" vs. overall "playing"...
honestly these days 99 is the 'sound' i prefer the most, but there is alot less consistency compared to 97.
i dunno, its really hard to quantify one year being my "favorite" over another.
i guess the two main distinctions for me would be either overall favorite "year of shows" or overall favorite "style" from those years.
in that case stlye-wise i can definitely rate as the following:
1. 99
2. 98
3. 97
4. 94
5. 93
6. 95
then favorite "year of shows" as a whole:
1.97
2.98
3.99
4.94
5.95
5.93
haha, something like that :roll: :-P
Quote from: McGrupp on January 04, 2012, 03:40:08 PM
Quote from: cactusfan on January 04, 2012, 01:16:03 PM
NYE '93 > NYE '95.
I've always thought this.
::ducks::
:: waits till dirty is on the ground tthen drills him with red playground ball::
NYE '95 is a top 10 show for me.
i figured out what it is...i had fun and enjoyed the show because...wait for it......i don't expect much from phish. i know right? it sounds sad, but i've gotten so much from them over the years that i've had my fill. all i want anymore is for them to seem to have a good time and to see other folks enjoy them. there are other musicians that i feel the same way about. the black crowes are one example. phil lesh is another. i actually felt that way about LCD soundsystem until JM disbanded that little gig. i don't expect the members of pink floyd to rock my face with new riffs and jamzzzzzzz. i know we've beaten and eaten this dead horse but i've no where else to discuss this stuff.
Quote from: Lifeboy on January 04, 2012, 05:34:53 PM
NYE '95 is a top 10 show for me.
And the award for most unnecessarily inane post goes to. . .
Quote from: roggae on January 04, 2012, 06:27:47 PM
i figured out what it is...i had fun and enjoyed the show because...wait for it......i don't expect much from phish. i know right? it sounds sad, but i've gotten so much from them over the years that i've had my fill. all i want anymore is for them to seem to have a good time and to see other folks enjoy them. there are other musicians that i feel the same way about. the black crowes are one example. phil lesh is another. i actually felt that way about LCD soundsystem until JM disbanded that little gig. i don't expect the members of pink floyd to rock my face with new riffs and jamzzzzzzz. i know we've beaten and eaten this dead horse but i've no where else to discuss this stuff.
I fully respect your opinion, but does no other music move you that you'd rather see?
you'd rather see a band that you "don't expect much" from that other bands if you are seeing music?
for me, there is so much music to see. hopefully you find it someday too.
in all honesty, some free shows or $5 or $10 bands moved me more than the mansfield phish show this year. I don't regret going to the mansfield phish show (because it still made me feel better after a long day of work) but I don't regret seeing a bunch of other music this year instead of chasing "the" show.
I can respect people saying that there is no place they'd rather be than a Phish show. I've said that many times, including 2.0 shows. nowadays though, it just isn;t even close to being the case.
Quote from: bvaz on January 04, 2012, 07:15:23 PM
Quote from: roggae on January 04, 2012, 06:27:47 PM
i figured out what it is...i had fun and enjoyed the show because...wait for it......i don't expect much from phish. i know right? it sounds sad, but i've gotten so much from them over the years that i've had my fill. all i want anymore is for them to seem to have a good time and to see other folks enjoy them. there are other musicians that i feel the same way about. the black crowes are one example. phil lesh is another. i actually felt that way about LCD soundsystem until JM disbanded that little gig. i don't expect the members of pink floyd to rock my face with new riffs and jamzzzzzzz. i know we've beaten and eaten this dead horse but i've no where else to discuss this stuff.
I fully respect your opinion, but does no other music move you that you'd rather see?
you'd rather see a band that you "don't expect much" from that other bands if you are seeing music?
for me, there is so much music to see. hopefully you find it someday too.
in all honesty, some free shows or $5 or $10 bands moved me more than the mansfield phish show this year. I don't regret going to the mansfield phish show (because it still made me feel better after a long day of work) but I don't regret seeing a bunch of other music this year instead of chasing "the" show.
I can respect people saying that there is no place they'd rather be than a Phish show. I've said that many times, including 2.0 shows. nowadays though, it just isn;t even close to being the case.
at my age? nope. i mean i'd go see holy ghost but i dont think they have much to give besides what they've given so far. i'd still rather be surrounded by the weirdos at phish shows.
something is wrong with me...
Quote from: roggae on January 04, 2012, 08:31:01 PM
Quote from: bvaz on January 04, 2012, 07:15:23 PM
Quote from: roggae on January 04, 2012, 06:27:47 PM
i figured out what it is...i had fun and enjoyed the show because...wait for it......i don't expect much from phish. i know right? it sounds sad, but i've gotten so much from them over the years that i've had my fill. all i want anymore is for them to seem to have a good time and to see other folks enjoy them. there are other musicians that i feel the same way about. the black crowes are one example. phil lesh is another. i actually felt that way about LCD soundsystem until JM disbanded that little gig. i don't expect the members of pink floyd to rock my face with new riffs and jamzzzzzzz. i know we've beaten and eaten this dead horse but i've no where else to discuss this stuff.
I fully respect your opinion, but does no other music move you that you'd rather see?
you'd rather see a band that you "don't expect much" from that other bands if you are seeing music?
for me, there is so much music to see. hopefully you find it someday too.
in all honesty, some free shows or $5 or $10 bands moved me more than the mansfield phish show this year. I don't regret going to the mansfield phish show (because it still made me feel better after a long day of work) but I don't regret seeing a bunch of other music this year instead of chasing "the" show.
I can respect people saying that there is no place they'd rather be than a Phish show. I've said that many times, including 2.0 shows. nowadays though, it just isn;t even close to being the case.
at my age? nope. i mean i'd go see holy ghost but i dont think they have much to give besides what they've given so far. i'd still rather be surrounded by the weirdos at phish shows.
something is wrong with me...
pretty much the same for me.
Quote from: roggae on January 04, 2012, 08:31:01 PM
Quote from: bvaz on January 04, 2012, 07:15:23 PM
Quote from: roggae on January 04, 2012, 06:27:47 PM
i figured out what it is...i had fun and enjoyed the show because...wait for it......i don't expect much from phish. i know right? it sounds sad, but i've gotten so much from them over the years that i've had my fill. all i want anymore is for them to seem to have a good time and to see other folks enjoy them. there are other musicians that i feel the same way about. the black crowes are one example. phil lesh is another. i actually felt that way about LCD soundsystem until JM disbanded that little gig. i don't expect the members of pink floyd to rock my face with new riffs and jamzzzzzzz. i know we've beaten and eaten this dead horse but i've no where else to discuss this stuff.
I fully respect your opinion, but does no other music move you that you'd rather see?
you'd rather see a band that you "don't expect much" from that other bands if you are seeing music?
for me, there is so much music to see. hopefully you find it someday too.
in all honesty, some free shows or $5 or $10 bands moved me more than the mansfield phish show this year. I don't regret going to the mansfield phish show (because it still made me feel better after a long day of work) but I don't regret seeing a bunch of other music this year instead of chasing "the" show.
I can respect people saying that there is no place they'd rather be than a Phish show. I've said that many times, including 2.0 shows. nowadays though, it just isn;t even close to being the case.
at my age? nope. i mean i'd go see holy ghost but i dont think they have much to give besides what they've given so far. i'd still rather be surrounded by the weirdos at phish shows.
something is wrong with me...
hmmm. I've read this twice and still don't get it. considering you are 1 year older than me, you also made me think about whether I am doing life all wrong.
oh well, not my concern I guess and you still enjoy it without enjoying it.
Quote from: VA $l!m on January 04, 2012, 08:32:35 PM
Quote from: roggae on January 04, 2012, 08:31:01 PM
Quote from: bvaz on January 04, 2012, 07:15:23 PM
Quote from: roggae on January 04, 2012, 06:27:47 PM
i figured out what it is...i had fun and enjoyed the show because...wait for it......i don't expect much from phish. i know right? it sounds sad, but i've gotten so much from them over the years that i've had my fill. all i want anymore is for them to seem to have a good time and to see other folks enjoy them. there are other musicians that i feel the same way about. the black crowes are one example. phil lesh is another. i actually felt that way about LCD soundsystem until JM disbanded that little gig. i don't expect the members of pink floyd to rock my face with new riffs and jamzzzzzzz. i know we've beaten and eaten this dead horse but i've no where else to discuss this stuff.
I fully respect your opinion, but does no other music move you that you'd rather see?
you'd rather see a band that you "don't expect much" from that other bands if you are seeing music?
for me, there is so much music to see. hopefully you find it someday too.
in all honesty, some free shows or $5 or $10 bands moved me more than the mansfield phish show this year. I don't regret going to the mansfield phish show (because it still made me feel better after a long day of work) but I don't regret seeing a bunch of other music this year instead of chasing "the" show.
I can respect people saying that there is no place they'd rather be than a Phish show. I've said that many times, including 2.0 shows. nowadays though, it just isn;t even close to being the case.
at my age? nope. i mean i'd go see holy ghost but i dont think they have much to give besides what they've given so far. i'd still rather be surrounded by the weirdos at phish shows.
something is wrong with me...
pretty much the same for me.
I feel bad for you guys. As someone of about the same age, I'm the exact opposite. I want to experience as much different live music as possible. If that ever stops I'd rather eat a fucking bullet.
Pretty sure the people that know that there is a universe of incredible music outside of Phish are doing it right.
Quote from: Hicks on January 04, 2012, 09:01:44 PM
Pretty sure the people that know that there is a universe of incredible music outside of Phish are doing it right.
This.
In the next twelve weeks, I'm going to
Akron/Family
Radiohead
Tool
Railroad Earth
Yonder Mountain String band
Dark Star Orchestra
Dr. Dog
The War on Drugs
Quote from: sophist on January 04, 2012, 09:37:20 PM
Quote from: Hicks on January 04, 2012, 09:01:44 PM
Pretty sure the people that know that there is a universe of incredible music outside of Phish are doing it right.
This.
In the next twelve weeks, I'm going to
Akron/Family
Radiohead
Tool
Railroad Earth
Yonder Mountain String band
Dark Star Orchestra
Dr. Dog
The War on Drugs
You'll make it to 3 of those shows. Mark it.
I wish I could find another band that could do it for me like Phish does.
Perhaps a band that tours all the time, is cheaper, and is not a shadow of their former selves...
Really.... I wish. I haven't found music that excites me as much as Phish since... well, when I discovered Phish.
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on January 05, 2012, 02:30:10 AM
I wish I could find another band that could do it for me like Phish does.
Perhaps a band that tours all the time, is cheaper, and is not a shadow of their former selves...
Really.... I wish. I haven't found music that excites me as much as Phish since... well, when I discovered Phish.
I always have been one to go out and see other music, but having gone through 2 hiatuses really helped.
it doesn't need to be a "band." it could be a variety of music. being limited to weekend shows mainly, I can see music every weekend of the year within a 3 hour drive (just throwing a number out there) and be completely content.
as much as Phish has moved me to love music, Phish has also moved me to love other music. I am sure a lot the of the GD fans in here can add to that.
it really is to each their own. if it ain't broke, don't fix it. if Phish is doing the job, then there is no reason to look for something else.
my original comment was in response to a post about not having much expectations from Phish shows but going anyway. there really is so much great music out there.
the best way I can sum it up is going to clubs and bars and seeing other bands may not bring "the" show every night, but everyone is chasing "the" phish show that isn't coming either.
the only thing to add is Phish is not going to be around forever. be ready for that because it's going to suck when you go searching for the void.
Quote from: bvaz on January 05, 2012, 05:47:28 AM
as much as Phish has moved me to love music, Phish has also moved me to love other music.
This is so true, they have turned me on to tons of music I may have never heard of or gotten into.
Quote from: McGrupp on January 05, 2012, 12:51:17 AM
Quote from: sophist on January 04, 2012, 09:37:20 PM
Quote from: Hicks on January 04, 2012, 09:01:44 PM
Pretty sure the people that know that there is a universe of incredible music outside of Phish are doing it right.
This.
In the next twelve weeks, I'm going to
Akron/Family
Radiohead
Tool
Railroad Earth
Yonder Mountain String band
Dark Star Orchestra
Dr. Dog
The War on Drugs
You'll make it to 3 of those shows. Mark it.
They're all in Atlanta.
music is so overrated.
Just realize the truth that classical music is way better than everything else. I got into it early on, then a bunch of other things, then it eventually led me to Phish. Just sayin...
(What was Trey studying while writing Junta?)
Quote from: bvaz on January 05, 2012, 02:36:53 PM
Quote from: susep on January 05, 2012, 02:33:44 PM
Quote from: whatthecello42 on January 05, 2012, 02:26:33 PM
(What was Trey studying while writing Junta?)
Bach et al...
what was he listening to when he wrote Joy?
Bieber.
(http://www.thebarnpresents.com/wp-content/uploads/treybiebs.jpg)
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on January 05, 2012, 08:11:34 AM
Quote from: bvaz on January 05, 2012, 05:47:28 AM
as much as Phish has moved me to love music, Phish has also moved me to love other music.
This is so true, they have turned me on to tons of music I may have never heard of or gotten into.
absolutely. Phish made me fall in love with ALL music. They taught me the endless possibilities of improvisation and opened my mind to SO much new music. I just haven't found anything that can hit me in the same way since.
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on January 05, 2012, 03:59:48 PM
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on January 05, 2012, 08:11:34 AM
Quote from: bvaz on January 05, 2012, 05:47:28 AM
as much as Phish has moved me to love music, Phish has also moved me to love other music.
This is so true, they have turned me on to tons of music I may have never heard of or gotten into.
absolutely. Phish made me fall in love with ALL music. They taught me the endless possibilities of improvisation and opened my mind to SO much new music. I just haven't found anything that can hit me in the same way since.
...that's what she said
Quote from: sophist on January 05, 2012, 09:34:36 AM
Quote from: McGrupp on January 05, 2012, 12:51:17 AM
Quote from: sophist on January 04, 2012, 09:37:20 PM
Quote from: Hicks on January 04, 2012, 09:01:44 PM
Pretty sure the people that know that there is a universe of incredible music outside of Phish are doing it right.
This.
In the next twelve weeks, I'm going to
Akron/Family
Radiohead
Tool
Railroad Earth
Yonder Mountain String band
Dark Star Orchestra
Dr. Dog
The War on Drugs
You'll make it to 3 of those shows. Mark it.
They're all in Atlanta.
MAYBE 4.
I know you and plans. :wink:
I'll bet you $10 you don't make it to all of those shows. I need pictures of the stubs to prove it.
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on January 05, 2012, 03:59:48 PM
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on January 05, 2012, 08:11:34 AM
Quote from: bvaz on January 05, 2012, 05:47:28 AM
as much as Phish has moved me to love music, Phish has also moved me to love other music.
This is so true, they have turned me on to tons of music I may have never heard of or gotten into.
absolutely. Phish made me fall in love with ALL music. They taught me the endless possibilities of improvisation and opened my mind to SO much new music. I just haven't found anything that can hit me in the same way since.
I understand that statement, but it sort of sucks.
just to clarify my eaely morning unclear post. Phish defiitely opened the door for other music while they were great. really starting in 2010 is when I needed something new to look forward to.
Phish's good years moved towards listening to other stuff and now Phish's bad years (in my opinion which really means nothing) has made me listen to other stuff to fill the void that Phsih has already left me.
as said as I find your statement :wtu:, I find mine equally as sad.
I've always liked moe. (but always slightly less than I do now) and had that option but its lately that all these smaller bands are starting to influence my listening. not one individually can fill that void but collectively, it works.
choosing strange creek over bethel was one of the best decisions I made last year. that weekend was so moving to me musically that although the bethel shows were actually pretty decent, it wouldn't have impacted me the same way.
Quote from: bvaz on January 05, 2012, 05:02:58 PM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on January 05, 2012, 03:59:48 PM
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on January 05, 2012, 08:11:34 AM
Quote from: bvaz on January 05, 2012, 05:47:28 AM
as much as Phish has moved me to love music, Phish has also moved me to love other music.
This is so true, they have turned me on to tons of music I may have never heard of or gotten into.
absolutely. Phish made me fall in love with ALL music. They taught me the endless possibilities of improvisation and opened my mind to SO much new music. I just haven't found anything that can hit me in the same way since.
I understand that statement, but it sort of sucks.
just to clarify my eaely morning unclear post. Phish defiitely opened the door for other music while they were great. really starting in 2010 is when I needed something new to look forward to.
Phish's good years moved towards listening to other stuff and now Phish's bad years (in my opinion which really means nothing) has made me listen to other stuff to fill the void that Phsih has already left me.
as said as I find your statement :wtu:, I find mine equally as sad.
I've always liked moe. (but always slightly less than I do now) and had that option but its lately that all these smaller bands are starting to influence my listening. not one individually can fill that void but collectively, it works.
choosing strange creek over bethel was one of the best decisions I made last year. that weekend was so moving to me musically that although the bethel shows were actually pretty decent, it wouldn't have impacted me the same way.
well said, bvaz. Although I have always chose going to a Phish show over any other show, lately I've been leaning towards seeing other bands I like instead. Indeed, there's nothing like a Phish show, but they are always a bit more expensive than seeing just about any other band, and I feel like it's getting to where it's just not worth it anymore.
I was packed and ready to go to UM on the 30th and 31st, but my ride overslept and didn't answer my calls ( need less to say I was pissed :frustrated:). Anyway, when I think about it now, had I made those shows, I would have been completely happy with my decision.
That said, I will still fork up the scrilla to travel to shows that aren't ridiculously far (DC > Alpine, Chicago, and anywhere else close to the central US) Let's just hope it happens.
Definitely relevant to the discussion... and sort of what I've been saying just said much more eloquently...
http://www.glidemagazine.com/hiddentrack/hitting-the-trunk-road-phish-nye/ (http://www.glidemagazine.com/hiddentrack/hitting-the-trunk-road-phish-nye/)
QuoteHitting The Trunk Road: Phish NYE
Written by David Schultz on 01.05.2012
To close out 2011, Phish returned to Madison Square Garden for a quickly sold-out set of four shows. Given that you are reading this column on this particular site, you are probably well aware of that fact as Hidden Track has been known to be partial to the boys from Vermont and may have written a few stories about the jamband poster-boys over the last few years. Unlike this fine section of the Web, the mainstream musical press tends to treat Phish, their penchant for selling out arenas on multiple dates and ability to anchor their own festivals with a bemused sense of admiration. They acknowledge the band's accomplishments while condescendingly mocking its underpinnings. In a world where the music industry seems to have lost its ability to relate to its consumers, what does Phish do that no other band seems capable of doing and why can't they seem to get any respect outside of its wide circle of friends?
[All Photos by Rob Chapman]
More than most bands, Phish fans draw sustenance from the camaraderie of their brethren, whether at the arena or sitting at home. It's this devotion that elicits much of the mockery from Williamsburg and other non-Phish loving quarters. Attempts of fans to "review" any show or describe the experience aren't helping matters...or advancing the field of music criticism. For any band that changes their set list on a daily basis, reviewing a single show tends to have the same effect of describing a snowstorm by writing about one of its snowflakes.
The fact that it's not a fruitful endeavor doesn't stop people from trying. If you scour the Internet, for every insightful and objective review of a Phish show, there are fifty that amount to nothing more than glorified diary entries, filled with self-referential dialogue and comparisons of the You Enjoy Myself from that night with another one the writer heard eight years ago. These types of reviews are fine if you happen to know the person, completely useless if they're a stranger. You never quite hear Deerhunter fans talking about shows in this manner. Then again, when have you ever seen two Deerhunter fans violate the hipster code and talk to each other at a show?
Phish's fervent following draws inevitable comparisons to that of the Grateful Dead, another band that befuddled the mainstream press. However, it's rare to find those that followed Jerry Garcia in his prime that savor or foster the association and there's little intersection between the two fanbases. Where Dead fans skewed towards the inclusive, Phish fans tend to tip towards the exclusive: mention a Run Like An Antelope you saw in Colorado and it's more likely someone will tell you of a BETTER one they saw in California rather than say "cool." Subtle differences over egalitarianism aside, those that come to Phish shows find themselves surrounded by people that understand the concert experience. Whether it's your seat or not, there's room for everybody (and given the number of people that like the shuffle around to sit with their friends, there usually is room for everybody) and the communal sharing and levels of trust amongst strangers would put Baby Boomers to shame. To a person, Phish fans enjoy the music with an unparalleled enthusiasm. If you don't think the crowd affects how you walk away from a show, you've never been part of a truly exceptional audience.
What prompts this response could probably be traced to the essence of what draws anyone to a specific band or a certain musician. Only cyborgs and WASPs have gone through life without having the experience where a certain chorus, guitar solo, rhythm or melody grabs something in their soul and won't let go. It can manifest itself in the simple focused head bob or, if alone, a full-blown air guitar freakout or Rerun-quality dance steps.
Like a Na'vi bonding with another entity through their Rasta dreads, once this simpatico is established, it's pretty much a lifelong bond and the feeling is always susceptible to repetition upon demand. When put into the Phish context, cynics would point out that it's just a reaction to the drugs. (Presumably, without drugs, Phish fans would be more inclined to Michael Buble or Clap Your Hands Say Yeah). Those cynics may not be wrong; drugs surely do not weaken the connection nor lessen the chances of reviving that rush. What draws all these people to Phish is the band's ability to consistently deliver this feeling to their fans on a reliable basis. When you hear someone talk about it being a bad show, they likely aren't talking about the musicianship or the songs, they're talking about the lack of that connection during the show. When Phish fans staged a mini-uprising after Trey Anastasio released Shine, the howl had as much as to do with the music's ability to establish that connection as it did with the fact that it wasn't a Phish album.
Even the most amateur psychoanalyst could dissertate on the attachments anyone has for the music of their youth and it would not be a losing wager to gamble that 95% of the sold-out crowd at Madison Square Garden or any other show equates Phish's music with their younger days, regardless of when they occurred. Ultimately, what makes the relationship between Phish and their fans a sustainable success is that, when not on hiatus, Phish has no qualms about playing the songs their fans love, regardless of their shelf life. If you think that's just common sense, think back to Kurt Cobain's abject refusal to play Smells Like Teen Spirit for those who might have enjoyed hearing it. For music cognoscenti, embracing the past, much less succeeding by revisiting it, offends their natural instincts to see music pushed forward and break new ground. With periodic new albums and fresh material, no one could credibly accuse Phish of getting lost in the attics of their vast catalog. By not forgetting that their music possesses meaning for those who listen to it, Phish refuses to neglect the connection they've established with their fans. By not unseemly exploiting the relationship, they assure that the connection will last.
Quote from: PIE-GUY on January 06, 2012, 12:51:08 AM
Definitely relevant to the discussion... and sort of what I've been saying just said much more eloquently...
http://www.glidemagazine.com/hiddentrack/hitting-the-trunk-road-phish-nye/ (http://www.glidemagazine.com/hiddentrack/hitting-the-trunk-road-phish-nye/)
Quote
Phish's fervent following draws inevitable comparisons to that of the Grateful Dead, another band that befuddled the mainstream press. However, it's rare to find those that followed Jerry Garcia in his prime that savor or foster the association and there's little intersection between the two fanbases. Where Dead fans skewed towards the inclusive, Phish fans tend to tip towards the exclusive: mention a Run Like An Antelope you saw in Colorado and it's more likely someone will tell you of a BETTER one they saw in California rather than say "cool." Subtle differences over egalitarianism aside, those that come to Phish shows find themselves surrounded by people that understand the concert experience. Whether it's your seat or not, there's room for everybody (and given the number of people that like the shuffle around to sit with their friends, there usually is room for everybody) and the communal sharing and levels of trust amongst strangers would put Baby Boomers to shame. To a person, Phish fans enjoy the music with an unparalleled enthusiasm. If you don't think the crowd affects how you walk away from a show, you've never been part of a truly exceptional audience.
Bingo.
Thanks for the quote, I wouldn't have found or looked for this if you hadn't brought it here. +k
Quote from: McGrupp on January 05, 2012, 04:54:18 PM
Quote from: sophist on January 05, 2012, 09:34:36 AM
Quote from: McGrupp on January 05, 2012, 12:51:17 AM
Quote from: sophist on January 04, 2012, 09:37:20 PM
Quote from: Hicks on January 04, 2012, 09:01:44 PM
Pretty sure the people that know that there is a universe of incredible music outside of Phish are doing it right.
This.
In the next twelve weeks, I'm going to
Akron/Family
Radiohead
Tool
Railroad Earth
Yonder Mountain String band
Dark Star Orchestra
Dr. Dog
The War on Drugs
You'll make it to 3 of those shows. Mark it.
They're all in Atlanta.
MAYBE 4.
I know you and plans. :wink:
I'll bet you $10 you don't make it to all of those shows. I need pictures of the stubs to prove it.
Deal.
P.S.
I already have purchased my tickets for
Radiohead
Tool
Dr. Dog
Akron/Family
::finds cheapest ticket for fifth show::
Quote from: sophist on January 06, 2012, 08:23:40 AM
P.S.
I already have purchased my tickets for
Radiohead
Tool
Dr. Dog
Akron/Family
That lineup alone has me drooling.
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on January 06, 2012, 09:14:48 AM
Quote from: sophist on January 06, 2012, 08:23:40 AM
P.S.
I already have purchased my tickets for
Radiohead
Tool
Dr. Dog
Akron/Family
That lineup alone has me drooling.
I know. I'm so pumped about the music coming through. Akron is in 8 days, my first time seeing them too. I am so pumped that I finally get to see these guys, and the tickets were $12. Are you shitting me? Amazing. Dr. Dog tickets were $25.
I liked this line the best.
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Attempts of fans to "review" any show or describe the experience aren't helping matters...or advancing the field of music criticism. For any band that changes their set list on a daily basis, reviewing a single show tends to have the same effect of describing a snowstorm by writing about one of its snowflakes.
Thanks for sharing.
Quote from: goodabouthood on January 06, 2012, 10:05:35 AM
I liked this line the best.
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Attempts of fans to "review" any show or describe the experience aren't helping matters...or advancing the field of music criticism. For any band that changes their set list on a daily basis, reviewing a single show tends to have the same effect of describing a snowstorm by writing about one of its snowflakes.
Thanks for sharing.
snowstorms are for noobs, it's all about the flakes
The one in California was better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcP7YSUKPp8
Quote from: danje on January 07, 2012, 07:01:06 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcP7YSUKPp8
HOLY SHIT! That's fucking great! :hereitisyousentimentalbastard
Is that summer of 89 in the background?
Awesome
Having found myself justifying/defending/understanding 2011 Phish this past summer, I just listened to this run straight through and there is little question that it is a steaming pile of shit. Musically, it is a straight up fucking embarrassment. I'm stunned they thought this would be lapped up by the fans. And there is no fucking way some of the members in the band are not only cognizant of this but disappointed. As proud musicians, you cannot tell me that was acceptable. And if you're not going to jam, fine, but then be tight. Sadly, there are flubs in nearly every single song, change, peak and segue. It's freakin' goddamn clown show. Book four nights at MSG, put a mill in your pocket and practice what i would guess was only for a week prior, if that. Wow. Well, I'm sure it was a party and a half, and, regardless of stumbles, I would of loved to have been there, but still. Good Lord man. The worst playing I have heard from them since 2009, and they shit the bed in 2009 (barring the extended discombobulated jams that I can't stomach due to Trey and Fish's inability to find the one beat).
I don't get it....
Do you like the shows or not?
Quote from: Superfreakie on January 10, 2012, 09:17:49 PM
Having found myself justifying/defending/understanding 2011 Phish this past summer, I just listened to this run straight through and there is little question that it is a steaming pile of shit. Musically, it is a straight up fucking embarrassment. I'm stunned they thought this would be lapped up by the fans. And there is no fucking way some of the members in the band are not only cognizant of this but disappointed. As proud musicians, you cannot tell me that was acceptable. And if you're not going to jam, fine, but then be tight. Sadly, there are flubs in nearly every single song, change, peak and segue. It's freakin' goddamn clown show. Book four nights at MSG, put a mill in your pocket and practice what i would guess was only for a week prior, if that. Wow. Well, I'm sure it was a party and a half, and, regardless of stumbles, I would of loved to have been there, but still. Good Lord man. The worst playing I have heard from them since 2009, and they shit the bed in 2009 (barring the extended discombobulated jams that I can't stomach due to Trey and Fish's inability to find the one beat).
As much as it pains me to say it, I completely agree with you. I'm sure I would've had a fucking blast and the time of my life had I been there, just like I'm sure everyone did, but these shows are indeed a flat-out embarrassment on tape. Some of the worst shit I've heard in 3.0, although that's not saying too much.
Sorry, I'll put the haterade down now...
Quote from: Augustus on January 10, 2012, 09:23:15 PM
I don't get it....
Do you like the shows or not?
:-D lol, I had to read it a few times before I realized he
didn't like it. He wasn't very clear about it.
These shows made me glad I was able to attend Dick's.
but this guy right here seems to think it is all some joke....personally, I wouldn't be laughing, I'd be embarrassed. Youtube won't frame the vid link below in my post, because it is at a certain spot in the song, but it highlights my gripe. How is this funny? Ah, whatever, had a blast in Essex.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcXOFt4J1Es#t=2m40s
Quote from: Superfreakie on January 10, 2012, 09:41:56 PM
but this guy right here seems to think it is all some joke....personally, I wouldn't be laughing, I'd be embarrassed. Youtube won't frame the vid link below in my post, because it is at a certain spot in the song, but it highlights my gripe. How is this funny? Ah, whatever, had a blast in Essex.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcXOFt4J1Es#t=2m40s
YIKES!! :shakehead: How did I miss this?
I wish I had never seen that.
He's clearly embarassed.
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on January 10, 2012, 09:56:01 PM
He's clearly embarassed.
I think the point is that there was clearly a time where this would of pissed Trey off, and he would of gone off to practice and regain his ability to play his own music versus making a theatrical moment out of it. There is nothing wrong with him finding humor in the moment, I think its after the fact that he went on to continue to butcher other versions of that song since that moment.
I forgive him.
Mere bump in the road. I thought there was a lot of good that came of this past year. I stayed away from the NYE thread as I had not yet listened to the shows. Having now listened, I'm just really surprised in the drop off during this four show run. Bump in the road I guess.
I dunno, I feel like if you haven't realized what phish is right now after 3 years of pretty much the same stuff (with some ups and downs), no matter what, you're missing the point.
To me, phish is a great band, generally speaking. As long as those 4 dudes are playing music together, there will be some sort of magic - whether it be in the crowd, the music, or just in the air, there is magic at a phish show - nobody can deny that.
But clearly, the priorities of the respective members of the band are all over the place, and 'Phish' as we tend to love, is not a major focal point of the 4 guys that comprise it. Fishman is starting a farmer's market, Trey has teenagers, Mike is focused on his own band, and Page has a kid on the way. The last 2-3 years have been fun, but at this point it's very clear to me that phish isn't a priority of theirs.
As phish fans, don't we reserve the right to bitch about them not putting 100% effort in? Of course! But, at the same time, we have the right to love what they do because we love the band.
Divided we seem to stand... but we're all fans when it comes down to it.
Of course we would all love for phish to be rehearsing all the time and blowing our minds every single night, but it's simply not happening. So don't go see a phish show if you're expecting them to sound like they did in the 90's. Go to a phish show to hear phish songs and see those four guys playing music together. There will be good shows and bad shows, good moments and bad moments, but it's almost surprising to me when people say how much a 3.0 show sucks, when it's really been the same stuff since Hampton.
Yeah, I'm drunk and rambling.
Anyway, Phish are good musicians and I think seeing them play a concert is pretty awesome. But if you're not into it, don't buy a ticket. Plain and simple. And many of us don't. I'm definitely not saying 'don't listen to it' or 'don't criticize it', because this band was built off of criticism - just don't be surprised if they play a bad show or don't seem really connected improv-wise, because to me there are very obvious reasons why they are playing the way they are playing right now.
:tte:
:wtu:
resists urge to post.
what I am happy about for "me" is that I can have the time of my life when not at a phish show.
in the end it doesn't really matter as long as we are all having the time fo our lives.
To summarize: some Phish is better than no Phish. And right now we are only getting some Phish. If, at some point, the band's priorities change and they decide to focus on Phish again, and we get back to having lots of Phish, then it will be better than the current state of getting some Phish.
(lots of :phish:)>(some :phish:)>(no :phish:)
agree with everything said
each of us can take it or leave it
my problem, philosophically, is they're getting paid good $ to do this. They're supposed to be professionals. This is their job.
How many of us can tell our employer - I'm just not into this today, I'm not going to be putting the effort in. but, I'll show up and you should pay me.
Quote from: slslbs on January 11, 2012, 08:36:31 AM
agree with everything said
each of us can take it or leave it
my problem, philosophically, is they're getting paid good $ to do this. They're supposed to be professionals. This is their job.
How many of us can tell our employer - I'm just not into this today, I'm not going to be putting the effort in. but, I'll show up and you should pay me.
this.
Quote from: sophist on January 11, 2012, 09:10:33 AM
Quote from: slslbs on January 11, 2012, 08:36:31 AM
agree with everything said
each of us can take it or leave it
my problem, philosophically, is they're getting paid good $ to do this. They're supposed to be professionals. This is their job.
How many of us can tell our employer - I'm just not into this today, I'm not going to be putting the effort in. but, I'll show up and you should pay me.
this.
While I completely agree, this analogy might be how Trey sees it. You're a business man. In your youth you built a construction company. Started off with one house, built it from scratch using every dime you had as well as borrowing from your parents. You found tenants for the house after some difficulty and nearly losing your shirt. From there you built two houses and so on. Eventually the company grew to such a size that it employed many of your close friends and relatives but the stress of managing the expectations became enormous. So you went public, hired a board and management team. Now, you own 51% of the company. You no longer build houses but direct a little here and there. The quality of your houses is not what it used to be, as those in charge focus solely on the bottom line. However, you wake up every day without a care in the world and the ability to do whatever you choose at any given moment in time. Pretty sweet!
trey = brett favre
/thread
Quote from: PIE-GUY on January 11, 2012, 08:25:25 AM
To summarize: some Phish is better than no Phish. And right now we are only getting some Phish. If, at some point, the band's priorities change and they decide to focus on Phish again, and we get back to having lots of Phish, then it will be better than the current state of getting some Phish.
(lots of :phish:)>(some :phish:)>(no :phish:)
exactly!
Quote from: bvaz on January 11, 2012, 09:56:12 AM
trey = brett favre
He wears Wranglers?
I did not know that.
Quote from: sophist on January 10, 2012, 10:01:24 PM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on January 10, 2012, 09:56:01 PM
He's clearly embarassed.
I think the point is that there was clearly a time where this would of pissed Trey off, and he would of gone off to practice and regain his ability to play his own music versus making a theatrical moment out of it. There is nothing wrong with him finding humor in the moment, I think its after the fact that he went on to continue to butcher other versions of that song since that moment.
Very True and I remember that time. It seemed to matter a little more to him, which makes me sad because it matters to me/us, otherwise we wouldn't be posting here. But the very true comeback to this was said well in :
Quote from: PIE-GUY on January 11, 2012, 08:25:25 AM
To summarize: some Phish is better than no Phish. And right now we are only getting some Phish. If, at some point, the band's priorities change and they decide to focus on Phish again, and we get back to having lots of Phish, then it will be better than the current state of getting some Phish.
(lots of :phish:)>(some :phish:)>(no :phish:)
Point & Case.
Keep lowering the bar dudes!
So true.
Phish was so much better when we didn't need excuses to enjoy them.
We all wish they were playing better. Every one of us here. Even the biggest of fluffers (probably me) are aware that they are incredibly far from what they used to be in the 90's.
Yet many of us still enjoy the music. It's definitely not bad music. I would in fact call it good music. YEM is still a great song. As are the majority of the other songs they continue to play.
Quote from: mattstick on January 11, 2012, 04:42:33 PM
Keep lowering the bar dudes!
We didn't,
they did musically. We're choosing if we wanna go for the ride or not and that in itself is just a sad thing or at least for me and for most of you it seems. It hurts a shitload. In my life with Phish I had never really even had to think about if I do or don't until 3.0 and it sucks. Either go or don't.
I'm getting sick of the old school vs new school argument. Nt against anyone here but I think I need to clarify some of my position.
I don't expect them to play like they did in December '95. I expect them to play to the level to make it worth the hassle to go to shows. The lottery is a farce because of the scalpers. I pretty much always get shut out. To have a 10 am Friday TM sale means I have to make sure I have no meetings and don't get interrupted. As an example, at 6 pm I will be packing up what I tried to start at 1215 (my lunch when it is supposed to be quiet) because I got interrupted so many times today.
Then I need to get the time off from work. If I'm using my vacation time, I want the shows to be worth it.
Now let me vent about the tapers section. I got lucky this year and got 12/29 taper tickets. Out iof all the tapers tickets available, 8 of us had tickets and a couple had to go through a hassle to even get one. That means the rest went to non-tapers. I don't even care because I expect that from people nowadays. I really do know how much people suck. What bugs me is the same guy who was born in 1975 (same year as me) said he is entitled to a taper ticket because he taped for 10 years before he gave it up. I don't know. I was there with a couple long time phish tapers who don't know him and he is not really that old. It's possible but it is more likely a lie. And then others bragged about how they got tapers tickets because they know they are going to get a good seat and the guy legitimately felt unfortunate that he only got tapers tickets for 2 of the 4 nights. My jaw dropped in amazement. I purposely don't even talk to people I don't know in the section because it is not worth the frustration but these are people that seek me out to tell me these things.
On the other hand, I leave NY and go to moe. and see 2 shows for $80 (or maybe slightly higher this year). New years eve night I get in a little after doors because I was having a couple beers at the bar and people actually moved over a few seats so that I can set up my mic stand where they saw me the night before. I can also get tickets when I want and most shows are GA so I don't need to worry about taper vs non-taper tickets. And for me, I actually enjoy their music, but understand that not everyone does.
Everyone I've had the pleasure of meeting here has truly been a pleasure to meet. But the general crowd at phish sucks and it has truly become a hassle to see shows. So yeah, I want the music to be better than it has been.
Epic bvaz meltdown
I dunno, no offense but it does kind of bug me when wtu says that Phish is the best band touring today, I really don't know how someone could objectively say that about a band that some nights cannot even get through all of their own songs without significant mistakes.
I think at one point Phish were the best band touring, but they've fallen off so much from that I just don't get how anyone could still think that.
No band that I know of that is touring right now gets me off as well as Phish does.
Quote from: Hicks on January 11, 2012, 05:41:53 PM
I dunno, no offense but it does kind of bug me when wtu says that Phish is the best band touring today, I really don't know how someone could objectively say that about a band that some nights cannot even get through all of their own songs without significant mistakes.
I think at one point Phish were the best band touring, but they've fallen off so much from that I just don't get how anyone could still think that.
Who do you think the best touring bands are these days, I'm curious?
I stand by my statement that Phish is still the best touring band today. I haven't found that level of improvisational connectivity anywhere else (excluding Jazz). It's not like I'm musically retarded -- I've studied music for the majority of my lifetime. Phish is fucking talented. Incredibly talented.
The mistakes don't bother me too much, everyone's human. I know I fuck up in my band more than Trey fucks with Phish. It's in the moment, and then it passes. Trey has always made mistakes. It's all about improvisation for me and I don't see any bands that improvise quite like Phish. Yes, there are bands like Bela Fleck than can wrap musical circles around Phish, but the don't have the "IT" factor that I find in Phish. If a band can't improvise in a live setting, I'm usually not that impressed. There are definite exceptions, but that's what gets me off. Iron & Wine is cool, I've seen him numerous times..... but he would be way cooler if there were crazy improvisational aspects to every song. Who wants to go see a band play exactly what it sounds like on the album? Some of the concerts that I have attended like that have bored me to tears... even bands that I really liked.
Then there are bands like Akron/Family or Animal Collective. Both bands that I really like and have a lot of respect for. Are they creating newer/fresher more creative music? Debatable, but yes, probably. They surely are harnessing technology in a way Phish is not and doing "new" things with music. That's pretty cool....
.... but they sure aren't as talented as Phish or as connected musically, imo. Neither of the drummers from those bands impress me (cue Sophist to defend AC drumming) Fishman could run circles around then.
basically....
Quote from: danje on January 11, 2012, 06:00:01 PM
No band that I know of that is touring right now gets me off as well as Phish does.
There is no band quite like Phish, that is a fact.
But in terms of "best band touring", I would say that Radiohead, MMJ, Wilco, Sigur Ros and Arcade Fire (::ducks::) are all better live bands at this point.
If improv is all that does it for you then I guess Phish is where it's at, even though their improv is a mere shell of what it was before.
But for me improv is only a small part of what makes a band a great live act, and I would go so far as to say a band can put on an incredible show with absolutely no improv at all.
Quote from: Hicks on January 11, 2012, 06:29:49 PM
But for me improv is only a small part of what makes a band a great live act, and I would go so far as to say a band can put on an incredible show with absolutely no improv at all.
That's Phish these days.
Except...they are sloppy.
study music your whole life or not, it is all opinion. and I've said it many times and mean it that I respect your opinion. but "best" is still an opinion. just like a "good" shows and a show that "sucks" is an opinion.
you make an argument that phish is still making good music. I make my argument that in 3.0 only one song has been named on this board as a top 30 of their staple songs. this again is of course opinion.
they have added not much to their catalouge. this is again opinion.
you say bands don't improvise. are you telling me that umphreys or bisco doesn't improvise? I can sort of deal with umphreys and don't like bisco but I would not go as far as saying they don't improvise. I just don't like their music or their sound.
I'm really not knocking the people that are enjoying this. I'm happy for them. but there are a lot of valid points in this thread about why some of us aren't getting off on phish and it not just saying the "shows suck." Im understand it is just our opinion but everything you guys are saying is just opinion too.
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on January 11, 2012, 06:20:59 PM
Some of the concerts that I have attended like that have bored me to tears... even bands that I really liked.
true
dat. It's happened to me a couple of times.
Like :wtu:, I'm all about improvisation, even though I don't feel the same way anymore about going far out of my way and spending a great sum of money to see Phish. I LOVE the GD, moe., UM, and I even dig some older Bisco and SCI, because their main focal point is improvisation. That's what gets me off. That's why I like the music I like.
I will still go to Phish shows that are relatively close, and don't cost
too much because even though they are at arguably their least musically creative point in their career, there's still nothing like a Phish show, and until I find another band/show that gives me
that feeling, I'm probably going to choose a Phish show over any other show 9/10 times.
Quote from: Hicks on January 11, 2012, 06:29:49 PM
There is no band quite like Phish, that is a fact.
But in terms of "best band touring", I would say that Radiohead, MMJ, Wilco, Sigur Ros and Arcade Fire (::ducks::) are all better live bands at this point.
If improv is all that does it for you then I guess Phish is where it's at, even though their improv is a mere shell of what it was before.
But for me improv is only a small part of what makes a band a great live act, and I would go so far as to say a band can put on an incredible show with absolutely no improv at all.
I guess that is where we differ. Improvisation is what does it for me.
I
really enjoy 3/5 of those bands. MMJ and Arcade Fire don't do a thing for me. I would really like to catch Sigur Ros live.
It just doesn't do much for me when a band goes and plays 25 songs in the same order in the same exact way night after night. You joke (well... not really joke) that Phish does not improvise anymore but simply isn't true. They do improvise. There are aspects of full band improvisation in nearly every song. Just a basic 46 Days rawk jam contains music made "in the moment." Fishman is only playing exactly what he is playing in that moment because of what the other members are playing in that moment. It is a mere shell of what it was -- but it's still there.
I'm not trying to convince anyone that Phish is still the BEST BAND EVA. I'm just explaining why
I think they are. Just like Hicks finds it strange that I still luv 3.0 Phish, I find it strange when people completely dismiss the music they are currently making. They are fantastic musicians. Mike Gordon is at the top of his game, imo. Page and Fishman sound great as well. And Trey, well, he can still play runs that make my spine tingle like @ 5:18 into this video >>>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrvD3pd6eyo
The thing is, I'm in love with Phish's catalog of tunes, the way they perform them, etc. I can't say the same for other talented and improvisation-heavy bands like UM, moe. (still not sure who the shit they are), Bisco (musical AIDS if you ask me), etc.
I'll continue to go to Phish shows because they play the songs that speak to my soul, regardless of whether Trey fucks up a few songs here and there. Like scott and others were getting at, there's something about this band that I can't quite put my finger on that just simply does it for me. I've not experienced that with any other band. I felt this way when I started getting into Phish, during the break-up years and under the assumption that I'd never see them play. For about 6 months up until the New Years run, I wasn't listening to a lot of Phish. Sure, those shows were lackluster at best, but they got me listening hard to phish again and inspired me to go back and re-listen to some of my favorite shows. So even though the shows themselves were not anything to write home about, a lot of good came of them (for me at least) and that's why I view them in a positive light
/sb
I don't think I said Phish doesn't improvise, in fact I think I said that they are one of the better acts out there if improv is your thing.
But I will say that I don't think that inserting the same rock peaks into every song is a very high level of improv.
Quote from: phil on January 11, 2012, 07:18:33 PM
moe. (still not sure who the shit they are)
the only reason I'm not smiting you is because you used the proper lowercase and proper period punctuation in their name. :wink:
Quote from: danje on January 11, 2012, 06:00:01 PM
No band that I know of that is touring right now gets me off as well as Phish does.
I agree 100%. That's why, to me, they are the best band touring right now. No band even comes close to moving me in a live setting like the way Phish does. Like just about everyone here, I've seen some amazing Phish shows and some shitty Phish shows. I'll take any Phish show over any band touring right now. That's why I keep spending time, money, and resources on Phish.
Basically everyone is losing their minds over a 4 show run coming off a 3.5 month break. uic 1-2 and dicks proved they can still get into a good groove with enough shows. those shows weren't sloppy either. plus gorge rocknroll and Tahoe light jamz were better than anything at msg.
problem is their lack of preparation and the fact that it was msgnye run with high expectations. and trey seemed to completely mail it in musically and in his setlist choices.
there will probably be some redemption ..... :phish: :rockout:
But it doesn't seem they will ever tour heavily enough or at least spend time together to be really special again. still a good time usually.
Oh, this thread again
Quote from: kellerb on January 11, 2012, 09:55:20 PM
Oh, this thread again
The free popcorn is hard to ignore.
Wanted to chime in on this thread..
I will never stop seeing Phish (hopefully)..
:smoke: :beers: :beerbang: :rockout: :music: :wtu: :wtu: :wtu:
my main point about 3.0 is Trey's guitar playing. he simply doesn't have his previous technique or attack esp. in tunes like Split Open and Melt, Stash, Maze and others. Not only do they not jam well collectively, Trey has regressed as a guitarist to the point of he can't play his own catalog of tunes.
Quote from: susep on January 12, 2012, 07:56:12 AM
my main point about 3.0 is Trey's guitar playing. he simply doesn't have his previous technique or attack esp. in tunes like Split Open and Melt, Stash, Maze and others. Not only do they not jam well collectively, Trey has regressed as a guitarist to the point of he can't play his own catalog of tunes.
Yes, this is upsetting and very true. However, I do love them and really hope Trey and the band can improve in these major ways you just mentioned.
Quote from: susep on January 12, 2012, 07:56:12 AM
my main point about 3.0 is Trey's guitar playing. he simply doesn't have his previous technique or attack esp. in tunes like Split Open and Melt, Stash, Maze and others. Not only do they not jam well collectively, Trey has regressed as a guitarist to the point of he can't play his own catalog of tunes.
...yup.
It will be interesting to see how many "more of the same" tours and shows people need to see before the "I had fun" crowd finds other bands or activities to spend their money on.
Quote from: mattstick on January 12, 2012, 10:02:03 AM
It will be interesting to see how many "more of the same" tours and shows people need to see before the "I had fun" crowd finds other bands or activities to spend their money on.
I think us talking about it is already making it happen as many of us are either saying it or thinking it, which is sort of new to my mind not sure about you guys. But there will always be younger people who weren't there for their peak playing years and this is what it is and it's ok for them and Phish will always sellout MSG for NYE no matter what.
Quote from: mattstick on January 12, 2012, 10:02:03 AM
It will be interesting to see how many "more of the same" tours and shows people need to see before the "I had fun" crowd finds other bands or activities to spend their money on.
If someone consistently had fun over the past few years, why would they stop?
Oh, right, because they are going to be enlightened...or something... :roll:
Quote from: mattstick on January 12, 2012, 10:02:03 AM
It will be interesting to see how many "more of the same" tours and shows people need to see before the "I had fun" crowd finds other bands or activities to spend their money on.
I pretty much decided to move on after 2003. Doesn't mean I hate the band, I will continue to listen to shows and when feasible, I will travel to see them. But there are just lots of other vital bands out there that deserve my time and money.
I guess I don't get off on trashing them when they've given us such incredible music for so many years. I'm happy that they are still trying to do their thing, however marginal that is in comparison to their former selves. I wasn't part of any message boards back in 03-04, so I was out of the loop, but I would hope this same hatred was spewing out back then because it doesn't deserve any more praise than 3.0 imo (save a few shows in 2003).
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Quote from: mattstick on January 12, 2012, 10:02:03 AM
It will be interesting to see how many "more of the same" tours and shows people need to see before the "I had fun" crowd finds other bands or activities to spend their money on.
I pretty much decided to move on after 2003. Doesn't mean I hate the band, I will continue to listen to shows and when feasible, I will travel to see them. But there are just lots of other vital bands out there that deserve my time and money.
I guess I don't get off on trashing them when they've given us such incredible music for so many years. I'm happy that they are still trying to do their thing, however marginal that is in comparison to their former selves. I wasn't part of any message boards back in 03-04, so I was out of the loop, but I would hope this same hatred was spewing out back then because it doesn't deserve any more praise than 3.0 imo (save a few shows in 2003).
Amen brother but I moved on after '04, and yes the hatred was around in 2.0 but I dont know on the boards only from the lots and from what little touring there was. But they could jam the fuck out of anything which kept me on the edge but they did f-up every Divided...lol
Quote from: RabeldyNugs on January 12, 2012, 09:33:52 AM
Quote from: susep on January 12, 2012, 07:56:12 AM
my main point about 3.0 is Trey's guitar playing. he simply doesn't have his previous technique or attack esp. in tunes like Split Open and Melt, Stash, Maze and others. Not only do they not jam well collectively, Trey has regressed as a guitarist to the point of he can't play his own catalog of tunes.
Yes, this is upsetting and very true. However, I do love them and really hope Trey and the band can improve in these major ways you just mentioned.
Of course, we all love them and hope they (Trey) get their shit together but it's been 3 years and in IMO this NYE run nails it down that it isn't going to happen.
If I want to do some dr00gz and booze it up w/ my buds and have a good time, I will do that right at home listening to some 1.0. It's no longer worth the time, gas and hotel $$, etc. The fact that I didn't even contemplate going to the GW show this past summer proves where I stand with them. If they were to come back to CCCC I would probably go cuz it's a short drive from my house.
Quote from: RabeldyNugs on January 12, 2012, 10:59:30 AM
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on January 12, 2012, 10:40:19 AM
Quote from: mattstick on January 12, 2012, 10:02:03 AM
It will be interesting to see how many "more of the same" tours and shows people need to see before the "I had fun" crowd finds other bands or activities to spend their money on.
I pretty much decided to move on after 2003. Doesn't mean I hate the band, I will continue to listen to shows and when feasible, I will travel to see them. But there are just lots of other vital bands out there that deserve my time and money.
I guess I don't get off on trashing them when they've given us such incredible music for so many years. I'm happy that they are still trying to do their thing, however marginal that is in comparison to their former selves. I wasn't part of any message boards back in 03-04, so I was out of the loop, but I would hope this same hatred was spewing out back then because it doesn't deserve any more praise than 3.0 imo (save a few shows in 2003).
Amen brother but I moved on after '04, and yes the hatred was around in 2.0 but I dont know on the boards only from the lots and from what little touring there was. But they could jam the fuck out of anything which kept me on the edge but they did f-up every Divided...lol
Yeah there was plenty of hate on the boards during 2.0.
Personally I find the music of that era (for the most part) to be more interesting than 3.0.
Quote from: Hicks on January 12, 2012, 11:05:23 AM
Quote from: RabeldyNugs on January 12, 2012, 10:59:30 AM
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on January 12, 2012, 10:40:19 AM
Quote from: mattstick on January 12, 2012, 10:02:03 AM
It will be interesting to see how many "more of the same" tours and shows people need to see before the "I had fun" crowd finds other bands or activities to spend their money on.
I pretty much decided to move on after 2003. Doesn't mean I hate the band, I will continue to listen to shows and when feasible, I will travel to see them. But there are just lots of other vital bands out there that deserve my time and money.
I guess I don't get off on trashing them when they've given us such incredible music for so many years. I'm happy that they are still trying to do their thing, however marginal that is in comparison to their former selves. I wasn't part of any message boards back in 03-04, so I was out of the loop, but I would hope this same hatred was spewing out back then because it doesn't deserve any more praise than 3.0 imo (save a few shows in 2003).
Amen brother but I moved on after '04, and yes the hatred was around in 2.0 but I dont know on the boards only from the lots and from what little touring there was. But they could jam the fuck out of anything which kept me on the edge but they did f-up every Divided...lol
Yeah there was plenty of hate on the boards during 2.0.
Personally I find the music of that era (for the most part) to be more interesting than 3.0.
THIS. IMO it's not even close.
UIC and Dick's were pretty worthwhile runs, IMO.
Quote from: mehead on January 12, 2012, 11:09:54 AM
Quote from: Hicks on January 12, 2012, 11:05:23 AM
Quote from: RabeldyNugs on January 12, 2012, 10:59:30 AM
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on January 12, 2012, 10:40:19 AM
Quote from: mattstick on January 12, 2012, 10:02:03 AM
It will be interesting to see how many "more of the same" tours and shows people need to see before the "I had fun" crowd finds other bands or activities to spend their money on.
I pretty much decided to move on after 2003. Doesn't mean I hate the band, I will continue to listen to shows and when feasible, I will travel to see them. But there are just lots of other vital bands out there that deserve my time and money.
I guess I don't get off on trashing them when they've given us such incredible music for so many years. I'm happy that they are still trying to do their thing, however marginal that is in comparison to their former selves. I wasn't part of any message boards back in 03-04, so I was out of the loop, but I would hope this same hatred was spewing out back then because it doesn't deserve any more praise than 3.0 imo (save a few shows in 2003).
Amen brother but I moved on after '04, and yes the hatred was around in 2.0 but I dont know on the boards only from the lots and from what little touring there was. But they could jam the fuck out of anything which kept me on the edge but they did f-up every Divided...lol
Yeah there was plenty of hate on the boards during 2.0.
Personally I find the music of that era (for the most part) to be more interesting than 3.0.
THIS. IMO it's not even close.
Agreed. You had a far better chance of seeing something original and interesting and about the same chance of seeing absolute shit.
Quote from: danje on January 12, 2012, 11:18:55 AM
UIC and Dick's were pretty worthwhile runs, IMO.
I thought UIC was pretty good, but I still don't get the love of Dick's (no homo)
^^Yeah, I know alot of people feel that way. I'm in the camp that would prefer a semi-nailed composed section to a meandering jam but that is just personal preference. I found in 2003 and especially 2004, they stumbled through the meat of their songs just to get to the jam, where they opened it up.
Sorry, not trying to start another argument inside the current one.
so, what were the highlights of this show? Oh, yeah, that' right........ :shakehead:
Quote from: runawayjimbo on January 12, 2012, 11:21:24 AM
Quote from: mehead on January 12, 2012, 11:09:54 AM
Quote from: Hicks on January 12, 2012, 11:05:23 AM
Quote from: RabeldyNugs on January 12, 2012, 10:59:30 AM
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on January 12, 2012, 10:40:19 AM
Quote from: mattstick on January 12, 2012, 10:02:03 AM
It will be interesting to see how many "more of the same" tours and shows people need to see before the "I had fun" crowd finds other bands or activities to spend their money on.
I pretty much decided to move on after 2003. Doesn't mean I hate the band, I will continue to listen to shows and when feasible, I will travel to see them. But there are just lots of other vital bands out there that deserve my time and money.
I guess I don't get off on trashing them when they've given us such incredible music for so many years. I'm happy that they are still trying to do their thing, however marginal that is in comparison to their former selves. I wasn't part of any message boards back in 03-04, so I was out of the loop, but I would hope this same hatred was spewing out back then because it doesn't deserve any more praise than 3.0 imo (save a few shows in 2003).
Amen brother but I moved on after '04, and yes the hatred was around in 2.0 but I dont know on the boards only from the lots and from what little touring there was. But they could jam the fuck out of anything which kept me on the edge but they did f-up every Divided...lol
Yeah there was plenty of hate on the boards during 2.0.
Personally I find the music of that era (for the most part) to be more interesting than 3.0.
THIS. IMO it's not even close.
Agreed. You had a far better chance of seeing something original and interesting and about the same chance of seeing absolute shit.
Quote from: danje on January 12, 2012, 11:18:55 AM
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on January 12, 2012, 12:09:30 PM
Quote from: kellerb on January 12, 2012, 11:32:28 AM
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Oh, this thread again
And yet, you keep coming back for more. :evil:
Lol. I think it's just many are more upset after now 3 yrs back mixed with this lackluster NYE MSG run and they are realizing many new things with their feelings for the boys we've all known and loved since day1.
Just wanted to let everyone know that not only do I know more about music than all of you, but my opinion is more correct than yours.
Carry on!
eta: I also have better reasons than you do for feeling the way I do about Phish.
Quote from: McGrupp on January 12, 2012, 12:33:57 PM
Just wanted to let everyone know that not only do I know more about music than all of you, but my opinion is more correct than yours.
Carry on!
eta: I also have better reasons than you do for feeling the way I do about Phish.
MINE IS BIGGER
Quote from: McGrupp on January 12, 2012, 12:33:57 PM
Just wanted to let everyone know that not only do I know more about music than all of you, but my opinion is more correct than yours.
Carry on!
eta: I also have better reasons than you do for feeling the way I do about Phish.
False.
Quote from: McGrupp on January 12, 2012, 12:33:57 PM
Just wanted to let everyone know that not only do I know more about music than all of you, but my opinion is more correct than yours.
Carry on!
eta: I also have better reasons than you do for feeling the way I do about Phish.
Damnit! I was just gonna post this! :hereitisyousentimentalbastard :hereitisyousentimentalbastard
:clap:
FTR...The 12-28 Cities was better when it was called the 06-17-2004 Moma Dance.
Quote from: Augustus on January 12, 2012, 04:53:15 PM
FTR...The 12-28 Cities was better when it was called the 06-17-2004 Moma Dance.
and the jam was longer than 2 mins.
The band's been recycling jam segments for decades. I know I mentioned this years ago in another thread: I saw a published musicology paper on Miles' late 60s-early 70s bands, and the author identified something like 50 improv themes in the hundred-some concerts recorded.
Quote from: sunrisevt on January 13, 2012, 07:53:30 AM
The band's been recycling jam segments for decades. I know I mentioned this years ago in another thread: I saw a published musicology paper on Miles' late 60s-early 70s bands, and the author identified something like 50 improv themes in the hundred-some concerts recorded.
Is your point that Miles had more or less themes than post-hiatus phish?
It might actually be a similar output. So Miles was basicly quoting 50 different song themes from his huge collection of music from his huge career (in which he virtually reinvented the face of jazz a handful of times), during a highly-criticised coke-ridden somewhat stagnant but very interesting point in his career, which really ended up being the end of jazz as a modernist quest to new relevant sounds.
Quote from: mattstick on January 12, 2012, 10:02:03 AM
It will be interesting to see how many "more of the same" tours and shows people need to see before the "I had fun" crowd finds other bands or activities to spend their money on.
Probably a lot. Perfect example: people still go to cubs games like crazy.
Quote from: McGrupp on January 12, 2012, 12:33:57 PM
Just wanted to let everyone know that not only do I know more about music than all of you, but my opinion is more correct than yours.
Carry on!
eta: I also have better reasons than you do for feeling the way I do about Phish.
This is exactly what this thread has become.
Quote from: roggae on January 13, 2012, 09:51:29 AM
Quote from: mattstick on January 12, 2012, 10:02:03 AM
It will be interesting to see how many "more of the same" tours and shows people need to see before the "I had fun" crowd finds other bands or activities to spend their money on.
Probably a lot. Perfect example: people still go to cubs games like crazy.
That's me... I'm a season ticket holder. I may not go to every game, but I try to hit a few every season even when they're losing. I'm talking about Phish, of course.
Quote from: PIE-GUY on January 13, 2012, 10:04:06 AM
Quote from: roggae on January 13, 2012, 09:51:29 AM
Quote from: mattstick on January 12, 2012, 10:02:03 AM
It will be interesting to see how many "more of the same" tours and shows people need to see before the "I had fun" crowd finds other bands or activities to spend their money on.
Probably a lot. Perfect example: people still go to cubs games like crazy.
That's me... I'm a season ticket holder. I may not go to every game, but I try to hit a few every season even when they're losing. I'm talking about Phish, of course.
Exactly.
I think most people have already made up their minds about 3.0 at this point. Those of us going and having fun, and enjoying the music (me, PIE-GUY, Birdman, Phil etc.) will continue to go and have fun.
Those of you not going out of your way to see them (mehead or Aug for example) will likely continue that route.
Quote from: jam> on January 13, 2012, 09:44:13 AM
Quote from: sunrisevt on January 13, 2012, 07:53:30 AM
The band's been recycling jam segments for decades. I know I mentioned this years ago in another thread: I saw a published musicology paper on Miles' late 60s-early 70s bands, and the author identified something like 50 improv themes in the hundred-some concerts recorded.
Is your point that Miles had more or less themes than post-hiatus phish?
It might actually be a similar output. So Miles was basicly quoting 50 different song themes from his huge collection of music from his huge career (in which he virtually reinvented the face of jazz a handful of times), during a highly-criticised coke-ridden somewhat stagnant but very interesting point in his career, which really ended up being the end of jazz as a modernist quest to new relevant sounds.
My point (that repeating a theme in various improvisations isn't necessarily a weakness in the music) was a response to Aug's comment about the 12/28 Cities.
Quote from: sunrisevt on January 13, 2012, 01:24:27 PM
Quote from: jam> on January 13, 2012, 09:44:13 AM
Quote from: sunrisevt on January 13, 2012, 07:53:30 AM
The band's been recycling jam segments for decades. I know I mentioned this years ago in another thread: I saw a published musicology paper on Miles' late 60s-early 70s bands, and the author identified something like 50 improv themes in the hundred-some concerts recorded.
Is your point that Miles had more or less themes than post-hiatus phish?
It might actually be a similar output. So Miles was basicly quoting 50 different song themes from his huge collection of music from his huge career (in which he virtually reinvented the face of jazz a handful of times), during a highly-criticised coke-ridden somewhat stagnant but very interesting point in his career, which really ended up being the end of jazz as a modernist quest to new relevant sounds.
My point (that repeating a theme in various improvisations isn't necessarily a weakness in the music) was a response to Aug's comment about the 12/28 Cities.
Cool. Interesting reference. Keep 'em coming. Cheers!
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on January 13, 2012, 01:18:51 PM
Quote from: PIE-GUY on January 13, 2012, 10:04:06 AM
Quote from: roggae on January 13, 2012, 09:51:29 AM
Quote from: mattstick on January 12, 2012, 10:02:03 AM
It will be interesting to see how many "more of the same" tours and shows people need to see before the "I had fun" crowd finds other bands or activities to spend their money on.
Probably a lot. Perfect example: people still go to cubs games like crazy.
That's me... I'm a season ticket holder. I may not go to every game, but I try to hit a few every season even when they're losing. I'm talking about Phish, of course.
Exactly.
I think most people have already made up their minds about 3.0 at this point. Those of us going and having fun (me, PIE-GUY, Birdman, Phil etc.) will continue to go and have fun.
Those of you not going out of your way to see them (mehead or Aug for example) will likely continue that route.
I knew you wouldn't go to less shows this year. :evil:
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That was funny.
Almost as cool a story as pie and jphish(?) running into fish and asking for the alumni blues. Except this was funnier.