2012 Election Thread

[twatts]

Yup. Newt thinks that's just about the most despicable thing imaginable. He also thinks hyperbole is better than sex, Jesus, sliced bread and double rainbows combined.

Typical GOP response...  Don't own up to your faults and be responsible, instead call the people that remark on your own despicable behavior as "despicable".

In plain English:  "The fact that I'm morally destitude and cheated on my wife isn't the issue.  The fact that the media pointed it out to everyone is the issue."

Terry


ETA:  And "Yeah, I'll cheat on my wife at the same time I press to have the President impeached for cheating on his wife".  That's not hypocritical or anything...

[gah]

Yup. Newt thinks that's just about the most despicable thing imaginable. He also thinks hyperbole is better than sex, Jesus, sliced bread and double rainbows combined.

Typical GOP response...  Don't own up to your faults and be responsible, instead call the people that remark on your own despicable behavior as "despicable".

In plain English:  "The fact that I'm morally destitude and cheated on my wife isn't the issue.  The fact that the media pointed it out to everyone is the issue."

Terry


ETA:  And "Yeah, I'll cheat on my wife at the same time I press to have the President impeached for cheating on his wife".  That's not hypocritical or anything...

Reminds me of this clip,  :hereitisyousentimentalbastard What? Hold on dog. Whatchya gonan ask me, in front of my wife and everything?!



re: the capitalism posts, I'm way too exhausted to discuss that sort of thing right now.

[VDB]

In plain English:  "The fact that I'm morally destitude and cheated on my wife isn't the issue.  The fact that the media pointed it out to everyone is the issue."

Pretty much sums it up.

re: the capitalism posts, I'm way too exhausted to discuss that sort of thing right now.

Get some sleep, dood! By the way, I wasn't trying to pick a fight or anything, just exploring the difference of opinion I was picking up on. People can discuss it till the cows come home, but I don't think the world will ever arrive at one single, universally accepted economic theory or preferred system.

[sls.stormyrider]

1- What John King, should have pointed out, imo, that Newt's affairs were occuring at a time when the GOP was touting itself as the party of "family values"

Of course, this type of question was far from despicable when Clinton was a candidate or Prez.

2-I have no problem with Romney being rich, or investing his $ in a way to minimize taxes. I do have a problem, as I've said repeatedly, a system that taxes you less if you make $ on dividends / investments than if you actually work

3-Venture capitalists are a double edge sword. Sometimes, they provide capital to support a business. Sometimes, they buy firms and sell them for parts. I'm not sure I connect the dots the same way Romney does - just cause he was / is a venture capitalist doesn't mean he knows how to create jobs.
Now, if Romney ran a firm that actually created something (other than wealth), that would be a different story

4-Although I believe in a capitalist system, unregulated capitalism is expoitive. the owners will always try their best to get the laborers to work as hard as humanly possible and pay them the least they can get away with. That's why unions and labor laws got started. then, the unions got too much power, and on it goes.
You're correct, though, our current system of corporate rule is far, far worse and doesn't represent a free market

[mbw]

let us not forget newt first discussed terms of a divorce with his first wife while she was in the hospital recovering from surgery having a tumor removed.

[antelope19]

Are we really calling out politicians for their moral compass? C'mon, both parties are equally guilty on this topic, IMO.

[gah]

Are we really calling out politicians for their moral compass? C'mon, both parties are equally guilty on this topic, IMO.

Of course both parties are guilty of this (ex: John Edwards, Bill Clinton, etc), but seeing as how we're discussing the Republican debates, I don't see why we'd be pointing out the moral failings of previous democratic nominees/presidents, or did I miss something?

[UncleEbinezer]

Are we really calling out politicians for their moral compass? C'mon, both parties are equally guilty on this topic, IMO.

Of course both parties are guilty of this (ex: John Edwards, Bill Clinton, etc), but seeing as how we're discussing the Republican debates, I don't see why we'd be pointing out the moral failings of previous democratic nominees/presidents, or did I miss something?

Yeah, you missed something, not everyone is a democrat. 

:ducks:

[Hicks]

Are we really calling out politicians for their moral compass? C'mon, both parties are equally guilty on this topic, IMO.

Of course both parties are guilty of this (ex: John Edwards, Bill Clinton, etc), but seeing as how we're discussing the Republican debates, I don't see why we'd be pointing out the moral failings of previous democratic nominees/presidents, or did I miss something?

Yeah, you missed something, not everyone is a democrat. 

:ducks:

LOL

Once you've impeached someone for getting a beej you've pretty much lost any right to claim that your own affairs are private.

[VDB]

3-Venture capitalists are a double edge sword. Sometimes, they provide capital to support a business. Sometimes, they buy firms and sell them for parts. I'm not sure I connect the dots the same way Romney does - just cause he was / is a venture capitalist doesn't mean he knows how to create jobs.
Now, if Romney ran a firm that actually created something (other than wealth), that would be a different story

Totally agreed. He goes around acting like the factory owner. Of course, we all know that money can help create jobs because lots of businesses need money to launch and grow. So if he's simply claiming that, as a venture capitalist, he knows how jobs are created, that doesn't make him very special.

[mbw]

Are we really calling out politicians for their moral compass? C'mon, both parties are equally guilty on this topic, IMO.

Of course both parties are guilty of this (ex: John Edwards, Bill Clinton, etc), but seeing as how we're discussing the Republican debates, I don't see why we'd be pointing out the moral failings of previous democratic nominees/presidents, or did I miss something?

Yeah, you missed something, not everyone is a democrat. 

:ducks:

LOL

Once you've impeached someone for getting a beej you've pretty much lost any right to claim that your own affairs are private.

[sls.stormyrider]

^^^
looks pretty funny - I'll have to watch the whole thing when I get home

Are we really calling out politicians for their moral compass? C'mon, both parties are equally guilty on this topic, IMO.

Of course both parties are guilty of this (ex: John Edwards, Bill Clinton, etc), but seeing as how we're discussing the Republican debates, I don't see why we'd be pointing out the moral failings of previous democratic nominees/presidents, or did I miss something?

Yeah, you missed something, not everyone is a democrat. 

:ducks:

LOL

Once you've impeached someone for getting a beej you've pretty much lost any right to claim that your own affairs are private.

[kellerb]

^^^
looks pretty funny - I'll have to watch the whole thing when I get home

Are we really calling out politicians for their moral compass? C'mon, both parties are equally guilty on this topic, IMO.

Of course both parties are guilty of this (ex: John Edwards, Bill Clinton, etc), but seeing as how we're discussing the Republican debates, I don't see why we'd be pointing out the moral failings of previous democratic nominees/presidents, or did I miss something?

Yeah, you missed something, not everyone is a democrat. 

:ducks:

LOL

Once you've impeached someone for getting a beej you've pretty much lost any right to claim that your own affairs are private.

A former coworker of mine had this to say:  "Never turn down a blowjob."  He's been married for like 6 years now, so I doubt that motto applies to him anymore.

[runawayjimbo]

^^^
looks pretty funny - I'll have to watch the whole thing when I get home

Are we really calling out politicians for their moral compass? C'mon, both parties are equally guilty on this topic, IMO.

Of course both parties are guilty of this (ex: John Edwards, Bill Clinton, etc), but seeing as how we're discussing the Republican debates, I don't see why we'd be pointing out the moral failings of previous democratic nominees/presidents, or did I miss something?

Yeah, you missed something, not everyone is a democrat. 

:ducks:

LOL

Once you've impeached someone for getting a beej you've pretty much lost any right to claim that your own affairs are private.

A former coworker of mine had this to say:  "Never turn down a blowjob."  He's been married for like 6 years now, so I doubt that motto applies to him anymore.

I take it you're not married, keller? If anything it's even more applicable now.

[kellerb]

^^^
looks pretty funny - I'll have to watch the whole thing when I get home

Are we really calling out politicians for their moral compass? C'mon, both parties are equally guilty on this topic, IMO.

Of course both parties are guilty of this (ex: John Edwards, Bill Clinton, etc), but seeing as how we're discussing the Republican debates, I don't see why we'd be pointing out the moral failings of previous democratic nominees/presidents, or did I miss something?

Yeah, you missed something, not everyone is a democrat. 

:ducks:

LOL

Once you've impeached someone for getting a beej you've pretty much lost any right to claim that your own affairs are private.

A former coworker of mine had this to say:  "Never turn down a blowjob."  He's been married for like 6 years now, so I doubt that motto applies to him anymore.

I take it you're not married, keller? If anything it's even more applicable now.

Well, I meant he's probably never in the position where he gets the offer.  So I think we're thinking the same thing.