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Title: TSA Thread
Post by: VDB on November 18, 2010, 10:25:55 AM
It's been hot in the news recently, and against my better judgment I've been allowing myself to get all worked up over the latest TSA controversy -- the porno scanners & molestation that passes for airport security these days.

Here's the latest story I've read (http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2010/10/for-the-first-time-the-tsa-meets-resistance/65390/), a fairly amusing account in which the writer chatted up some TSA screeners about the new pat-down technique. The TSA, in recent days, has repeatedly reiterated its rote stance that the pat-down is not "punitive" for people who opt out of having nude pictures taken of themselves. Yet according to this guy's conversation with those agents, the procedure is absolutely designed to embarrass, humiliate and inconvenience travelers into always opting for the machine.

I last flew on Nov. 4, when I got a backscatter scan plus a pat-down that felt like it might have been somewhere between the old-style tame pat-down and the new balls-grabbing one you've been hearing about. Though maybe it actually was the new method and it turned out to be not quite as cripplingly terrible as you're lead to believe. I fly again next week.

Share your TSA horror stories and gripes here.
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: nab on November 18, 2010, 10:29:49 AM
I haven't flown in a plane since 1988.


I'm sure the experience would be quite different today. :crazy:
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: rowjimmy on November 18, 2010, 01:51:17 PM
http://wdbo.com/localnews/2010/11/sanford-airport-to-opt-out-of.html (http://wdbo.com/localnews/2010/11/sanford-airport-to-opt-out-of.html)

"The backlash continues over those new TSA screening measures, and now one Central Florida airport has decided to go with a private security screening firm.

Orlando Sanford International Airport has decided to opt out from TSA screening.
"All of our due diligence shows it's the way to go," said Larry Dale, the director of the Sanford Airport Authority. "You're going to get better service at a better price and more accountability and better customer service.""

(follow the link for more)

Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: VDB on November 18, 2010, 02:58:10 PM
^ I like to hear that.

I don't like to hear this:

QuoteThe TSA points out that even if an airport decides to use a private firm for security, the screeners still must follow TSA guidelines. That would include using enhanced pat-downs and the full-body scanners if they are installed at the airport.

Really we need to re-evaluate airport security from the ground up, not keep piling stupid crap on top of stupid crap.
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: rowjimmy on November 18, 2010, 03:16:42 PM
The thing that astounds me is that they aren't trying to implement this for rail travel.

Also astounding? this:
(http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2010/11/500x_tsa-humor-2.jpg)
That's a view of a workstation in TSA offices at the Indianapolis International Airport.

Look at the desktop background.

Now look at this:
(http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2010/11/500x_tsa-humor-book.jpg)

Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: VDB on November 18, 2010, 05:02:15 PM
Wow. Wow. That is just spectacularly stupid and unprofessional. What moron ever thought for a second that's a good thing to put right there? Christ.

As for rail travel, are you saying this should be implemented there or you're just surprised it hasn't been? Of course the thing about trains is you can't exactly divert them from their course and plow them into a skyscraper, so the only issue is how much do we want to protect against the risk of harm coming to a relatively large number of people jammed into a confined area. Well, if that's the sole determinant of whether a place gets put on lockdown, you might as well install x-ray machines and crotch-gropers at every mall, stadium, subway station, church and tourist attraction in America.
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: rowjimmy on November 18, 2010, 06:02:38 PM
I ride a train everyday that runs underneath the US Capitol grounds.

I'm surprised that, if they were serious about protecting people and property, they haven't implemented this shit for rail...

Not that I want it. I really think that the security measures in place for rail are more than adequate and, not remotely invasive.
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: PIE-GUY on November 18, 2010, 06:38:13 PM
As someone who travels a lot, I have to say the xray scanners freak me out... The pilots union thinks there is risk of radiation. So far I've only been in one airport that even had the machines and I didn't end up having to go through it.

Still, if they put them in the Austin airport, I'll end up exposing myself to radiation a few times a month. Would I rather be groped? Perhaps.

But, more than anything, I really think they have gone too far. The xray is the equivalent to a strip search, imo.

Anyway, it pisses me off way more than having to remove my shoes.
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: StCarl on November 18, 2010, 07:41:43 PM
You touch my junk and I'm going to have you arrested.
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: rowjimmy on November 18, 2010, 08:58:16 PM
Quote from: StCarl on November 18, 2010, 07:41:43 PM
You touch my junk and I'm going to have you arrested.

If you refuse to allow them to see you naked or to touch your junk then you will be on the hook for up to $10k in civil penalties and you'll miss your flight.

This is where I draw the line.

You're going to walk me through a metal detector? fine.

You're going to require that I expose myself or allow groping? and have the fucking nerve to FINE ME is I say no fucking way? The terrorists win.
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: Tomapella on November 18, 2010, 11:27:12 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on November 18, 2010, 03:16:42 PM
The thing that astounds me is that they aren't trying to implement this for rail travel.

Also astounding? this:
(http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2010/11/500x_tsa-humor-2.jpg)
That's a view of a workstation in TSA offices at the Indianapolis International Airport.

Guess where I'm gonna be flying from a few weeks from now.  *sigh*

Can you get fined for pretending you like it?
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: aphineday on November 18, 2010, 11:36:05 PM
I know a ton of pilots who have refused the body scan, and a number of them got pretty vocal after the new patdowns were implemented. This is a violation of our rights as American citizens, and an abuse of power on the part of the TSA. Absoultely insane. The union is going to hit this, and hit it hard. I can't imagine that things will stay the same for very long.
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: Superfreakie on November 19, 2010, 01:00:23 AM
Quote from: nab on November 18, 2010, 10:29:49 AM
I haven't flown in a plane since 1988.

Seriously? Wow, that's amazing. I think from '88 to now I've flown close to a 1000 times.
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: VDB on November 19, 2010, 10:17:07 AM
Quote from: rowjimmy on November 18, 2010, 06:02:38 PM
I ride a train everyday that runs underneath the US Capitol grounds.

Yes, good point, I hadn't thought of that kind of situation. I was referring more to your basic, city-to-city train service. Pray no one tries to detonate a bomb under the Capitol any time soon.

Quote from: rowjimmy on November 18, 2010, 06:02:38 PM
I'm surprised that, if they were serious about protecting people and property, they haven't implemented this shit for rail...

That's why it's as much a charade as anything else. Imagine airport-style screening for Metro. No way, you might as well not have the transit system at all, because it would become completely useless for people who need fast, easy, twice-daily transportation.

You know, in places like Israel, you hear all the time about bombs on buses and at nightclubs, etc., because that's where people congregate and it's easy to get explosives there. But people still take the bus or go out because it's easy and desirable/necessary to do so. It's an unfortunate fact, but a reality that as long as there are crazy motherfuckers in the world, we're going to have to accept some risks in order to enjoy the conveniences and comforts we expect to have in a free society.
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: rowjimmy on November 19, 2010, 10:30:35 AM
For the record... I wasn't talking about the subway.

Southbound trains from DC's Union Station depart via a tunnel system that carries them underground until they are beyond the capitol and the mall. I ride this every day.
(http://www.dcnrhs.org/_/rsrc/1282401461610/in-the-news/virginiarailwayexpressbeginsoperatingnewlocomotive/vre-at-alexandria-2.jpg)
(not taken @ Union Station)
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: VDB on November 19, 2010, 10:51:58 AM
Cancer surviving flight attendant told to remove prosthetic breast during pat-down (http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13536352)
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: aphineday on November 19, 2010, 11:44:04 AM
Quote from: V00D00BR3W on November 19, 2010, 10:51:58 AM
Cancer surviving flight attendant told to remove prosthetic breast during pat-down (http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13536352)
Is this bullshit?
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: rowjimmy on November 19, 2010, 12:01:37 PM
Quote from: aphineday on November 19, 2010, 11:44:04 AM
Quote from: V00D00BR3W on November 19, 2010, 10:51:58 AM
Cancer surviving flight attendant told to remove prosthetic breast during pat-down (http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13536352)
Is this bullshit?

Doesn't appear to be bullshit.
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: aphineday on November 19, 2010, 12:09:08 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on November 19, 2010, 12:01:37 PM
Quote from: aphineday on November 19, 2010, 11:44:04 AM
Quote from: V00D00BR3W on November 19, 2010, 10:51:58 AM
Cancer surviving flight attendant told to remove prosthetic breast during pat-down (http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13536352)
Is this bullshit?
Doesn't appear to be bullshit.
Now that I'm smart enough to figure out that it's a link, I agree. Wow, just wow.
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: rowjimmy on November 19, 2010, 12:10:23 PM
FYP.

Yeah. That's fucked up.
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: sls.stormyrider on November 19, 2010, 05:23:06 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on November 19, 2010, 12:10:23 PM
FYP.

Yeah. That's fucked up.

wow.

this is going a bit too far.
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: kellerb on November 19, 2010, 05:57:43 PM
We could fix this whole issue by requiring the TSA to only hire Hot Chicks.
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: aphineday on November 19, 2010, 08:06:40 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on November 19, 2010, 12:10:23 PM
FYP.

Yeah. That's fucked up.
thx
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: zimbra on November 19, 2010, 09:03:32 PM
Quote from: V00D00BR3W on November 19, 2010, 10:51:58 AM
Cancer surviving flight attendant told to remove prosthetic breast during pat-down (http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13536352)
That's messed up on so many different levels.
My aunt who is a breast cancer survivor would have literally brought the wraith of hell upon these people if this would have happened to her.  She is an artist and owner of a  liquor store in my hometown aka very opinionated liberal stuck in a conservative bible belt... She is the nicest lady ever until you piss her off.


Quote from: kellerb on November 19, 2010, 05:57:43 PM
We could fix this whole issue by requiring the TSA to only hire Hot Chicks.

Well played sir.   :hereitisyousentimentalbastard
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: ph92 on November 20, 2010, 03:18:00 PM
I did hear someone say in the today I hate thread the new TSA pat down is called "gaterape". I had not heard about this new pat down procedure, I really hope I don't have to endure either this coming Wednesday when I have to fly to NJ for thanks giving. That will make me a very unhappy camper.

Quote from: rowjimmy on November 18, 2010, 03:16:42 PM
That's a view of a workstation in TSA offices at the Indianapolis International Airport.

Look at the desktop background.

Now look at this:
(http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2010/11/500x_tsa-humor-book.jpg)
That is completely and utterly fucked up. Fuck the TSA, I feel like they are more shitty and annoying then cops.
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: WhatstheUse? on November 20, 2010, 03:29:56 PM
I have an extreme fear of flying and everything that surrounds it.

Therefore, any amount of security is fine with me.  Makes me feel safer.

I do understand the frustrations w/ invasion of privacy, but for me personally, I have no issues with it.
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: PIE-GUY on November 20, 2010, 03:35:33 PM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on November 20, 2010, 03:29:56 PM
I have an extreme fear of flying and everything that surrounds it.

Therefore, any amount of security is fine with me.  Makes me feel safer.

I do understand the frustrations w/ invasion of privacy, but for me personally, I have no issues with it.

You have no issues with recorded video of your naked self being stored on a hard drive that some jackhole TSA agent making $28K per year has access to? That's crazy to me.
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: ph92 on November 20, 2010, 03:43:32 PM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on November 20, 2010, 03:29:56 PM
I have an extreme fear of flying and everything that surrounds it.

Therefore, any amount of security is fine with me.  Makes me feel safer.

I do understand the frustrations w/ invasion of privacy, but for me personally, I have no issues with it.
I see your point here, but when it comes to people who go on business trips and have to fly maybe 2 round trips a week, they can't deal with that kind of shit. My dad has said that he has missed a flight because of the new x-ray.

I just think the security is so ridiculous, just because like under 100 people out of the history of commercial flying have hijacked a plane or brought on a bomb or a weapon (and keep in mind this is 100 vs the hundreds of thousands of flights that happen around the world every week). The money and time and inconvenience put into security is just ridiculous.
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: kellerb on November 20, 2010, 03:44:03 PM
Quote from: PIE-GUY on November 20, 2010, 03:35:33 PM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on November 20, 2010, 03:29:56 PM
I have an extreme fear of flying and everything that surrounds it.

Therefore, any amount of security is fine with me.  Makes me feel safer.

I do understand the frustrations w/ invasion of privacy, but for me personally, I have no issues with it.

You have no issues with recorded video of your naked self being stored on a hard drive that some jackhole TSA agent making $28K per year has access to? That's crazy to me.

We could fix this whole issue by putting that Joe guy who runs Girls Gone Wild in charge of the naked-xray machine.

Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: WhatstheUse? on November 20, 2010, 03:56:45 PM
Quote from: PIE-GUY on November 20, 2010, 03:35:33 PM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on November 20, 2010, 03:29:56 PM
I have an extreme fear of flying and everything that surrounds it.

Therefore, any amount of security is fine with me.  Makes me feel safer.

I do understand the frustrations w/ invasion of privacy, but for me personally, I have no issues with it.

You have no issues with recorded video of your naked self being stored on a hard drive that some jackhole TSA agent making $28K per year has access to? That's crazy to me.

Correct.  I have no issues with that.

I clearly see why people do have issues with it -- but for me, all the added security just gives me a sense of safety.  I understand that my fear in completely irrational, but that doesn't stop it from occurring.
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: redrum on November 20, 2010, 04:08:22 PM
phish conquered my fear of flying.
i used to refuse to fly... but when i found out that red rocks > shoreline > gorge was at the other end of my last flight, i was like "ok, lets go".
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: PIE-GUY on November 20, 2010, 04:15:59 PM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on November 20, 2010, 03:56:45 PM
Quote from: PIE-GUY on November 20, 2010, 03:35:33 PM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on November 20, 2010, 03:29:56 PM
I have an extreme fear of flying and everything that surrounds it.

Therefore, any amount of security is fine with me.  Makes me feel safer.

I do understand the frustrations w/ invasion of privacy, but for me personally, I have no issues with it.

You have no issues with recorded video of your naked self being stored on a hard drive that some jackhole TSA agent making $28K per year has access to? That's crazy to me.

Correct.  I have no issues with that.

I clearly see why people do have issues with it -- but for me, all the added security just gives me a sense of safety.  I understand that my fear in completely irrational, but that doesn't stop it from occurring.

Killed in car accidents   42,116*
Killed by the common flu   20,000*
Killed by murders   15,517*
Killed in airline crashes   120 (1)
Killed by lightning strikes   90*
Killed by Anthrax   5

(1) Annual average over 19 year period.
*Average annual totals in United States.
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: ytowndan on November 20, 2010, 04:37:47 PM
Quote from: PIE-GUY on November 20, 2010, 04:15:59 PM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on November 20, 2010, 03:56:45 PM
Quote from: PIE-GUY on November 20, 2010, 03:35:33 PM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on November 20, 2010, 03:29:56 PM
I have an extreme fear of flying and everything that surrounds it.

Therefore, any amount of security is fine with me.  Makes me feel safer.

I do understand the frustrations w/ invasion of privacy, but for me personally, I have no issues with it.

You have no issues with recorded video of your naked self being stored on a hard drive that some jackhole TSA agent making $28K per year has access to? That's crazy to me.

Correct.  I have no issues with that.

I clearly see why people do have issues with it -- but for me, all the added security just gives me a sense of safety.  I understand that my fear in completely irrational, but that doesn't stop it from occurring.

Killed in car accidents   42,116*
Killed by the common flu   20,000*
Killed by murders   15,517*
Killed in airline crashes   120 (1)
Killed by lightning strikes   90*
Killed by Anthrax   5

(1) Annual average over 19 year period.
*Average annual totals in United States.

I have an extreme fear of flying as well, but sometimes it can't be avoided.  And when I do have to suck it up and fly somewhere, those numbers are what keep me sane. 
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: WhatstheUse? on November 20, 2010, 05:11:00 PM
The numbers don't mean shit when I'm having an uncontrollable anxiety attack as the plane takes off....
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: blatboom on November 20, 2010, 05:35:04 PM
fucking phobias.  how do they work?
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: PIE-GUY on November 20, 2010, 05:59:47 PM
Here's the other major problem with the scanners, imo. They're made by the same company that made the "puffers" which were ditched after they spent millions on them and were proven ineffective...  a company who has hired Micheal Chertoff to help them sell to the government... this is from the NYTimes.com:

Quote* In 2008, former U.S. Department of Homeland Security secretary Michael Chertoff authored a 38 page report warning of terrorists exploiting our security deficiencies – including air travel ...
    * After the [Christmas Day] 'bombing attempt' Chertoff made a flurry of media appearances suggesting that the "attempted bombing incident" could have been avoided if all airports were using full body scanners.
    * The Washington Post printed an article on January 1, 2010, calling Chertoff out for using his government credentials to promote a product that benefits his clients. It was revealed that Rapiscan Systems, the manufacturer of the naked body scanner Chertoff was recommending, was a client of Chertoff's security consulting agency.
    * Rapiscan has since received over $250 million in scanner orders.

Chertoff is an ass... he graduated from my high-school, too.
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: sls.stormyrider on November 20, 2010, 06:11:35 PM
Quote from: PIE-GUY on November 20, 2010, 04:15:59 PM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on November 20, 2010, 03:56:45 PM
Quote from: PIE-GUY on November 20, 2010, 03:35:33 PM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on November 20, 2010, 03:29:56 PM
I have an extreme fear of flying and everything that surrounds it.

Therefore, any amount of security is fine with me.  Makes me feel safer.

I do understand the frustrations w/ invasion of privacy, but for me personally, I have no issues with it.

You have no issues with recorded video of your naked self being stored on a hard drive that some jackhole TSA agent making $28K per year has access to? That's crazy to me.

Correct.  I have no issues with that.

I clearly see why people do have issues with it -- but for me, all the added security just gives me a sense of safety.  I understand that my fear in completely irrational, but that doesn't stop it from occurring.

Killed in car accidents   42,116*
Killed by the common flu   20,000*
Killed by murders   15,517*
Killed in airline crashes   120 (1)
Killed by lightning strikes   90*
Killed by Anthrax   5

(1) Annual average over 19 year period.
*Average annual totals in United States.

the issue isn't plane crashes, it's terrorists bombing planes and preventable deaths.
I don't want to get blown up, so I don't mind the scanners, as long as they block the face out.
If I flew a lot, though, I'd have issues with the radiation exposure.
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: PIE-GUY on November 20, 2010, 06:24:13 PM
If every airport had scanners, I would have been subject to unwanted radiation no less than 10 times in the last 30 days... and that is not an exaggeration. I travel a lot!

x-rays are useful but dangerous tools. They should be used sparingly and only when absolutely necessary. I have a history of cancer in my family... skin cancer, prostate cancer... I do not need to increase my chances.

As for being groped as my only alternative... fuck you. I am 90% convinced that the "enhanced screening" techniques introduced last week were merely publicity to drive people to use the scanners rather than the alternative.

You cannot legislate crazy people out of existence. Somebody is going to get through airport security somewhere and take down a plane no matter what security measures are in place. I hate to say that, but it's true. x-ray every bag, make every person walk through a metal detector, keep your eyes open for anything out of the ordinary and do your best. Leer at or grab every set of genitals wanting to travel by air? You're out of your fucking mind.

That's my opinion.
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: blatboom on November 20, 2010, 06:31:07 PM
Don't touch my junk.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/18/AR2010111804494.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/18/AR2010111804494.html)
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: VDB on November 20, 2010, 06:52:39 PM
Quote from: blatboom on November 20, 2010, 06:31:07 PM
Don't touch my junk.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/18/AR2010111804494.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/18/AR2010111804494.html)

I don't think Charles Krauthammer ever has to worry about someone wanting to touch his junk.
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: blatboom on November 20, 2010, 07:09:13 PM
for those who have a hard time reading words..


"Don't Touch My Junk" Man to TSA agent - Don't touch my junk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3lbnSLalWQ#ws)
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: sls.stormyrider on November 20, 2010, 07:24:36 PM
Quote from: PIE-GUY on November 20, 2010, 06:24:13 PM
If every airport had scanners, I would have been subject to unwanted radiation no less than 10 times in the last 30 days... and that is not an exaggeration. I travel a lot!

x-rays are useful but dangerous tools. They should be used sparingly and only when absolutely necessary. I have a history of cancer in my family... skin cancer, prostate cancer... I do not need to increase my chances.

As for being groped as my only alternative... fuck you. I am 90% convinced that the "enhanced screening" techniques introduced last week were merely publicity to drive people to use the scanners rather than the alternative.


You cannot legislate crazy people out of existence. Somebody is going to get through airport security somewhere and take down a plane no matter what security measures are in place. I hate to say that, but it's true. x-ray every bag, make every person walk through a metal detector, keep your eyes open for anything out of the ordinary and do your best. Leer at or grab every set of genitals wanting to travel by air? You're out of your fucking mind.

That's my opinion.
I think you're right on both points
I'd like to know what the rad exposure is on those things
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: danje on November 20, 2010, 07:36:51 PM
Fuck TSA.
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: Bobafett on November 21, 2010, 05:49:49 AM
just saw video on cnn of an 8 yr old being strip searched.   give me a fuckin break. 
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: sls.stormyrider on November 21, 2010, 09:46:19 AM
from SNL last night

TSA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcqI3tCSf-s#ws)
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: rowjimmy on November 23, 2010, 07:46:09 AM
(http://www.smbc-comics.com/images/donttouch.gif)
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: ph92 on November 23, 2010, 02:12:52 PM
Let me get this straight before I hop on my plane tomorrow.

Is this the procedure in every airport now? Or is it just international/big airports? I think I might take some radiation real quick instead of the uhh grabbing.
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: PIE-GUY on November 23, 2010, 02:25:34 PM
Quote from: phishhead92 on November 23, 2010, 02:12:52 PM
Let me get this straight before I hop on my plane tomorrow.

Is this the procedure in every airport now? Or is it just international/big airports? I think I might take some radiation real quick instead of the uhh grabbing.

Most airports do not yet have the scanners... if they have them, you can see them from a mile away since they're huge machines... also, even where they have them, they typically don't have enough of them for every line to funnel into one... you should be able to pick a line with no scanner... if you pick a line with a scanner, you have to empty everything from your pockets (as opposed to just metal objects) and remove your belt, walk into the machine and raise your hands over your head like someone has a gun to your back, and stand there waiting for some perv to pass judgment on the size of your Johnson... if you refuse to enter the scanner you will be subject to an "enhanced" pat-down which will include someone touching your John Thomas through your pants. Either way, someone will pass judgment on the size of your Peter.
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: ph92 on November 23, 2010, 02:31:49 PM
Quote from: PIE-GUY on November 23, 2010, 02:25:34 PM
Quote from: phishhead92 on November 23, 2010, 02:12:52 PM
Let me get this straight before I hop on my plane tomorrow.

Is this the procedure in every airport now? Or is it just international/big airports? I think I might take some radiation real quick instead of the uhh grabbing.

Most airports do not yet have the scanners... if they have them, you can see them from a mile away since they're huge machines... also, even where they have them, they typically don't have enough of them for every line to funnel into one... you should be able to pick a line with no scanner... if you pick a line with a scanner, you have to empty everything from your pockets (as opposed to just metal objects) and remove your belt, walk into the machine and raise your hands over your head like someone has a gun to your back, and stand there waiting for some perv to pass judgment on the size of your Johnson... if you refuse to enter the scanner you will be subject to an "enhanced" pat-down which will include someone touching your John Thomas through your pants. Either way, someone will pass judgment on the size of your Peter.
There  are alot of names of men in the last sentence...

Anyway, well that a relief, I will be flying out of the Newport, KY airport so I HIGHLY doubt there are any there. But coming home I'm going through Newark, NJ so that will probably have one. I'll just try and get in the non-scanner line.

This shit also makes me annoyed cause I have a quick little system when I travel and go through security. And now I have to deal with this bullshit and figure out a new system.
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: rowjimmy on November 23, 2010, 02:40:59 PM
http://gizmodo.com/5696160/why-the-tsa-could-lead-us-to-public-rebellion-or-a-terrorist-attack (http://gizmodo.com/5696160/why-the-tsa-could-lead-us-to-public-rebellion-or-a-terrorist-attack)
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: VDB on November 23, 2010, 03:09:58 PM
This just might be the worst TSA-related sentence I've read yet:

QuoteA retired special education teacher on his way to a wedding in Orlando, Fla., said he was left humiliated, crying and covered with his own urine after an enhanced pat-down by TSA officers recently at Detroit Metropolitan Airport.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40291856/ns/travel-news (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40291856/ns/travel-news)
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: kellerb on November 23, 2010, 03:20:05 PM
Quote from: V00D00BR3W on November 23, 2010, 03:09:58 PM
This just might be the worst TSA-related sentence I've read yet:

QuoteA retired special education teacher and bladder cancer survivor on his way to a wedding in Orlando, Fla., said he was left humiliated, crying and covered with his own urine after an enhanced pat-down by TSA officers recently at Detroit Metropolitan Airport.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40291856/ns/travel-news (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40291856/ns/travel-news)

FYP
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: VDB on November 23, 2010, 03:34:36 PM
Quote from: kellerb on November 23, 2010, 03:20:05 PM
Quote from: V00D00BR3W on November 23, 2010, 03:09:58 PM
This just might be the worst TSA-related sentence I've read yet:

QuoteA retired special education teacher and bladder cancer survivor on his way to a wedding in Orlando, Fla., said he was left humiliated, crying and covered with his own urine after an enhanced pat-down by TSA officers recently at Detroit Metropolitan Airport.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40291856/ns/travel-news (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40291856/ns/travel-news)

FYP

Notice: that detail is not included in the lead of the story. Yeah, it's a little extra sensationalist, and I betcha the writer knew exactly what she was doing.
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: rowjimmy on November 23, 2010, 03:36:14 PM
http://mytsahorrorstory.com/ (http://mytsahorrorstory.com/)
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: ph92 on November 23, 2010, 05:45:41 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on November 23, 2010, 03:36:14 PM
http://mytsahorrorstory.com/ (http://mytsahorrorstory.com/)
Like honestly these stories are just gonna keep popping up left and right and they can't have all the media on the TSA just be extremely negative. I feel like give it a year or so and they will change procedures or something. Its causing too many problems and complaints.

Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: zimbra on November 23, 2010, 05:55:34 PM
Quote from: V00D00BR3W on November 23, 2010, 03:34:36 PM
Quote from: kellerb on November 23, 2010, 03:20:05 PM
Quote from: V00D00BR3W on November 23, 2010, 03:09:58 PM
This just might be the worst TSA-related sentence I've read yet:

QuoteA retired special education teacher and bladder cancer survivor on his way to a wedding in Orlando, Fla., said he was left humiliated, crying and covered with his own urine after an enhanced pat-down by TSA officers recently at Detroit Metropolitan Airport.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40291856/ns/travel-news (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40291856/ns/travel-news)

FYP

Notice: that detail is not included in the lead of the story. Yeah, it's a little extra sensationalist, and I betcha the writer knew exactly what she was doing.

Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: alcoholandcoffeebeans on November 23, 2010, 10:29:45 PM
if you're flying out of cincy, which i'm pretty sure you are...

they were implementing this stuff this week.

good luck!
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: ph92 on November 24, 2010, 02:31:06 AM
Quote from: alcoholandcoffeebeans on November 23, 2010, 10:29:45 PM
if you're flying out of cincy, which i'm pretty sure you are...

they were implementing this stuff this week.

good luck!
Yeah, but the airport is in Newport.... But shit, damnit that sucks.

I hope I don't get that line for sure.
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: VDB on November 24, 2010, 03:44:48 PM
What a letdown. The checkpoint we just went through didn't even have the new scanners for me to opt out of. Should've gone through the checkpoint that I know has em. So much for all the hubbub; it took all of 3 mins to go through security.
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: WhatstheUse? on November 24, 2010, 04:02:27 PM
I'm on the airplane right now.  I fucking hate airplanes.

but security was a breeze in Boston.  Saw the scanners but they weren't even using them.

I was slightly disappointed because I was hoping SOMEONE would get to see my x-ray wiener :cry:
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: qop24 on November 24, 2010, 04:08:25 PM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on November 24, 2010, 04:02:27 PM
I'm on the airplane right now.  I fucking hate airplanes.

but security was a breeze in Boston.  Saw the scanners but they weren't even using them.

I was slightly disappointed because I was hoping SOMEONE would get to see my x-ray wiener :cry:

but that would also require a microscope, there just isn't enough funding for both!
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: PIE-GUY on November 24, 2010, 05:52:35 PM
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs591.ash2/154337_1624212518953_1045707784_1646243_7638363_n.jpg)
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: mattstick on November 25, 2010, 03:03:32 PM

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101124/13360812013/tsa-demonstration-gropings-backfires-congress.shtml (http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101124/13360812013/tsa-demonstration-gropings-backfires-congress.shtml)

TSA 'Demonstration' Of Gropings Backfires In Congress
from the oops dept

Apparently the TSA went to Capitol Hill this week to "demonstrate" the new groping pat downs to prove to folks in Congress that they're really not so bad. The only problem? Those watching the gropings seemed to get exactly the opposite sense:

He said that several House staffers were uncomfortable and averted their eyes when the TSA demonstrated an enhanced pat-down in the room of 200 people.

"The dumbest part: they did two pat-down demonstrations -- male on male, and female on female," the House staffer said. And they used a young female TSA volunteer "and in front of a room of 200 people, they touched her breasts and her buttocks. People were averting their eyes. The TSA was trying to demonstrate 'this is not so bad,' but it made people so uncomfortable to watch, that people were averting their eyes."

"They shot themselves in the foot," the staffer continued.


Now, will those in Congress actually do anything about all this? It's really amazing how frequently the TSA and its supporters insist that the gropings "aren't so bad." It really suggests a huge disconnect between what they're doing and what people consider "bad" to be.
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: emay on November 25, 2010, 04:35:08 PM
flying from charlotte > bmore, there was no trouble, not even body scanners or anything.
Doubt it will be like that bmore > char though
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: rowjimmy on November 25, 2010, 09:25:48 PM
Quote from: emayPhishyMD on November 25, 2010, 04:35:08 PM
flying from charlotte > bmore, there was no trouble, not even body scanners or anything.
Doubt it will be like that bmore > char though

BWI has the scanners...
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: ph92 on November 26, 2010, 12:08:58 AM
::Walked up to security::
::Lady checks my pass and ID::
TSA Lady: Sir would you like to use our new scanning method? (The line is totally vacant)
Me: Do I have to? I have seen the news and it makes me uncomfortable.
TSA: No, but we are randomly choosing people to go through it.

So of course I take off my shoes, my belt, empty my pockets, take out my laptop and my liquids bag. Throw them on the belt....

TSA: Sir, would you please step over to this line please?

I just took the 7 second radiation, wasn't that bad. But I still don't like it. I'm not a homophobe but, I still don't like dudes checking out my Johnson.

There was a girl in front of me getting the "enhanced" pat-down. I think if girls wear underwire bras they have to get the pat down, so that sucks. But she was getting her titties and ass grabbed. When I got over to grab my stuff she starts singing this song.

BED INTRUDER SONG!!! (now on iTunes) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMtZfW2z9dw#)

Classic :-D

Too bad I took too long grabbing my shit, she was not bad. :-D Also the fact that she talked to me randomly is a plus haha. Oh well.
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: ytowndan on November 26, 2010, 01:08:18 AM
 :hereitisyousentimentalbastard

That's great!  I remember seeing the original report when it happened, but I never saw the remix.   :clap:
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: VDB on November 29, 2010, 09:40:41 AM
Quote from: rowjimmy on November 25, 2010, 09:25:48 PM
Quote from: emayPhishyMD on November 25, 2010, 04:35:08 PM
flying from charlotte > bmore, there was no trouble, not even body scanners or anything.
Doubt it will be like that bmore > char though

BWI has the scanners...

Made it through BWI Saturday night without having to visit the scanner. I figured it'd be a lock but at the checkpoint for D concourse they were running mostly metal detectors. Kinda disappointing, I was looking forward to insisting on a pat-down this trip.  :-o Maybe next month...
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: Buffalo Budd on November 29, 2010, 11:46:49 AM
I fly about once a month (twice if you include the return flight) and have only been subjected to the scanner once.  I thought it was fun, I got nothing to be ashamed of  :mrgreen:

Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: VDB on November 29, 2010, 12:10:01 PM
TSA Opt-Out Day A Hilarious Non-Issue (But Were The Machines Turned Off To Pevent A Scene?) (http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/11/29/tsa-opt-out-day-a-hilarious-non-issue-but-were-the-machines-turned-off-to-pevent-a-scene/)

QuoteIt's pretty clear that the so-called Opt Out Day was a failure of XFL proportions, but the reason (http://www.prisonplanet.com/drudge-fought-the-tsa-and-drudge-won.html) it was a failure may actually because the TSA simply wanted to avoid a scene. Twitter was full of reports saying that those silly machines were turned off just to expedite holiday travel.

It wasn't just Twitter. The Atlanta Journal-Constitution said that were was "limited, if any, use of the controversial full-body scanners" at the big airport down there.

Same deal at Newark International Airport in New Jersey: scanners were largely turned off, meaning that people never even had the chance to opt-out of anything.

(excerpt)


If this is true, then how absurd is it that the TSA would first institute these measures, and then vigorously defend them, on the basis of their absolute necessity, and then simply abandon them because the traveling public, who apparently can be trusted no more than they can be reliably and effectively profiled, complained..
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: ph92 on November 29, 2010, 12:20:34 PM
Quote from: V00D00BR3W on November 29, 2010, 12:10:01 PM
TSA Opt-Out Day A Hilarious Non-Issue (But Were The Machines Turned Off To Pevent A Scene?) (http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/11/29/tsa-opt-out-day-a-hilarious-non-issue-but-were-the-machines-turned-off-to-pevent-a-scene/)

QuoteIt's pretty clear that the so-called Opt Out Day was a failure of XFL proportions, but the reason (http://www.prisonplanet.com/drudge-fought-the-tsa-and-drudge-won.html) it was a failure may actually because the TSA simply wanted to avoid a scene. Twitter was full of reports saying that those silly machines were turned off just to expedite holiday travel.

It wasn't just Twitter. The Atlanta Journal-Constitution said that were was "limited, if any, use of the controversial full-body scanners" at the big airport down there.

Same deal at Newark International Airport in New Jersey: scanners were largely turned off, meaning that people never even had the chance to opt-out of anything.

(excerpt)


If this is true, then how absurd is it that the TSA would first institute these measures, and then vigorously defend them, on the basis of their absolute necessity, and then simply abandon them because the traveling public, who apparently can be trusted no more than they can be reliably and effectively profiled, complained..
Because they are hypocrites.

Also I didn't know about Newark shutting them off till I got there and went through security. It was nice, they are all lined up down this hall (instead of side by side like usual) and they sent me down the hall. Low and behold the millimeter wave machine line was gated off and no one was in there.
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: rowjimmy on November 30, 2010, 08:17:02 AM
Today's Shirt.Woot: TSAnta Claus
(http://sale.images.woot.com/TSAnta_ClausnhxDetail.png)
http://shirt.woot.com/ (http://shirt.woot.com/)
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: justjezmund on November 30, 2010, 08:35:06 AM
I have no problem with flying, never have.  But i am pretty much never doing it again.  I'll take a covered wagon cross the oregon trail before i support this shit ever again.


fuck planes.
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: rowjimmy on November 30, 2010, 02:35:18 PM
http://www.elliott.org/blog/tsa-agents-return-confiscated-baby-food-after-mom-pulls-out-ipad/ (http://www.elliott.org/blog/tsa-agents-return-confiscated-baby-food-after-mom-pulls-out-ipad/)
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: justjezmund on November 30, 2010, 04:55:35 PM
utterly ridiculous.  Ive come to a conslusion about TSA agents after flying a few times sine 9/11 and seeing these new videos.  TSA = typical sexless asshole. 
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: PIE-GUY on November 30, 2010, 04:59:28 PM
the inconsistency is somewhat atrocious... but perhaps on purpose.
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: kellerb on November 30, 2010, 11:04:55 PM
Quote from: JustJezmund on November 30, 2010, 04:55:35 PM
utterly ridiculous.  Ive come to a conslusion about TSA agents after flying a few times sine 9/11 and seeing these new videos.  TSA = typical sexless asshole.

My asshole is mostly sexless.  I don't follow your meaning
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: justjezmund on November 30, 2010, 11:21:22 PM
Quote from: kellerb on November 30, 2010, 11:04:55 PM
Quote from: JustJezmund on November 30, 2010, 04:55:35 PM
utterly ridiculous.  Ive come to a conslusion about TSA agents after flying a few times sine 9/11 and seeing these new videos.  TSA = typical sexless asshole.

My asshole is mostly sexless.  I don't follow your meaning


thats about as corny as the poop that comes out of it. :roll:
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: rowjimmy on December 02, 2010, 10:13:51 AM
Stripped in Oklahoma City Airport Security (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zFi18ioqYk#ws)

http://gizmodo.com/5703878/the-most-stupid-tsa-action-to-date-defies-belief (http://gizmodo.com/5703878/the-most-stupid-tsa-action-to-date-defies-belief)
QuoteShe got down to her lingerie while going through airport security and still got a pat down. Twice.
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: alcoholandcoffeebeans on December 02, 2010, 02:34:36 PM
 :-D

http://www.deadseriousnews.com/?p=573 (http://www.deadseriousnews.com/?p=573)
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: sophist on December 02, 2010, 02:38:24 PM
Quote from: alcoholandcoffeebeans on December 02, 2010, 02:34:36 PM
:-D

http://www.deadseriousnews.com/?p=573 (http://www.deadseriousnews.com/?p=573)
That's how you fight terrorism. 
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: ph92 on December 02, 2010, 05:02:19 PM
Quote from: sophist on December 02, 2010, 02:38:24 PM
Quote from: alcoholandcoffeebeans on December 02, 2010, 02:34:36 PM
:-D

http://www.deadseriousnews.com/?p=573 (http://www.deadseriousnews.com/?p=573)
That's how you fight terrorism. 
HAHAHHAAHA That is too fucking funy!!
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: Tomapella on December 03, 2010, 12:45:52 PM
I honestly feel bad for both of them.  Mr. Cummings, indeed.
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: rowjimmy on December 07, 2010, 02:16:36 PM
You know that article was satire, right?

meanwhile:

(http://www.lamebook.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/seniors2.png)
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: sunrisevt on December 07, 2010, 02:33:58 PM
Quote from: kellerb on November 30, 2010, 11:04:55 PM
Quote from: JustJezmund on November 30, 2010, 04:55:35 PM
utterly ridiculous.  Ive come to a conslusion about TSA agents after flying a few times sine 9/11 and seeing these new videos.  TSA = typical sexless asshole.

My asshole is mostly sexless.  I don't follow your meaning

You're being disingenuous, keller--you know as well as we do that you're far from typical.
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: kellerb on December 07, 2010, 03:25:09 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on December 07, 2010, 02:16:36 PM
You know that article was satire, right?

meanwhile:

(http://www.lamebook.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/seniors2.png)

Hey, isn't that future-WTU?  The one that we saw in the lot suckin' on balloons?
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: guyforget on December 11, 2010, 03:48:07 AM
wtf???

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/11/us/11plane.html?_r=2&hp (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/11/us/11plane.html?_r=2&hp)
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: aphineday on December 11, 2010, 01:01:21 PM
Quote from: guyforget on December 11, 2010, 03:48:07 AM
wtf???

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/11/us/11plane.html?_r=2&hp (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/11/us/11plane.html?_r=2&hp)
I have to choose my words carefully here being a very public place and all, but I'll say this: It's unfortunate, but where there is a will, there is a way.
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: iamhydroJen on December 11, 2010, 01:23:58 PM
Quote from: guyforget on December 11, 2010, 03:48:07 AM
wtf???

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/11/us/11plane.html?_r=2&hp (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/11/us/11plane.html?_r=2&hp)

"I suspect," he said, "that there will be a lot of scrutiny into this."
^^Ya think?

My roommate told me about this last night!  I wonder how TSA will respond considering they've already gotten into fondling people in security lines...
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: guyforget on December 11, 2010, 01:24:36 PM
and thats what makes all of this interest in touching balls and removing prosthetic breasts so ridiculous. 

what happens when someone blows themself up in the line for the tsa checkpoint?  lets get some checkpoints for these checkpoints! 
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: rowjimmy on December 11, 2010, 09:47:12 PM
Quote from: guyforget on December 11, 2010, 01:24:36 PM
and thats what makes all of this interest in touching balls and removing prosthetic breasts so ridiculous. 

what happens when someone blows themself up in the line for the tsa checkpoint?  lets get some checkpoints for these checkpoints!

We could cordon off an area approx. five miles from the airport and setup a single point of entry. That'll keep the planes safe.

Of course everybody who lives and works inside the zone will have to gtfo so we can bulldoze those areas to make it easier for the TSA to see the zone from the new watchtowers.

Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: guyforget on December 12, 2010, 03:30:24 AM
i heard that in europe, everyone on airplanes is naked anyway.  ive never been, but i hope to some day. 
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: ytowndan on December 12, 2010, 03:58:37 AM
Quote from: rowjimmy on December 11, 2010, 09:47:12 PM
Quote from: guyforget on December 11, 2010, 01:24:36 PM
and thats what makes all of this interest in touching balls and removing prosthetic breasts so ridiculous. 

what happens when someone blows themself up in the line for the tsa checkpoint?  lets get some checkpoints for these checkpoints!

We could cordon off an area approx. five miles from the airport and setup a single point of entry. That'll keep the planes safe.

Of course everybody who lives and works inside the zone will have to gtfo so we can bulldoze those areas to make it easier for the TSA to see the zone from the new watchtowers.

I don't think that's quite enough to insure our safety.  We'll have to add one more additional checkpoint 1.5 miles up the road were we can conduct "initial profiling" to weed out suspicious characters, and then we've got ourselves an awesome air-travel security system!
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: DoW on December 12, 2010, 08:00:23 AM
Quote from: ytowndan on December 12, 2010, 03:58:37 AM
Quote from: rowjimmy on December 11, 2010, 09:47:12 PM
Quote from: guyforget on December 11, 2010, 01:24:36 PM
and thats what makes all of this interest in touching balls and removing prosthetic breasts so ridiculous. 

what happens when someone blows themself up in the line for the tsa checkpoint?  lets get some checkpoints for these checkpoints!

We could cordon off an area approx. five miles from the airport and setup a single point of entry. That'll keep the planes safe.

Of course everybody who lives and works inside the zone will have to gtfo so we can bulldoze those areas to make it easier for the TSA to see the zone from the new watchtowers.

I don't think that's quite enough to insure our safety.  We'll have to add one more additional checkpoint 1.5 miles up the road were we can conduct "initial profiling" to weed out suspicious characters, and then we've got ourselves an awesome air-travel security system!
you guys are going about this all wrong.

the government should just pack your bags for you, drive you to the airport and do the same for you on the return flight.

they can check your person as you enter the limo service they provide.

the solution is so simple.  call your governmental representations.  make it happen.
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: rowjimmy on December 12, 2010, 02:40:33 PM
Quote from: ytowndan on December 12, 2010, 03:58:37 AM
Quote from: rowjimmy on December 11, 2010, 09:47:12 PM
Quote from: guyforget on December 11, 2010, 01:24:36 PM
and thats what makes all of this interest in touching balls and removing prosthetic breasts so ridiculous. 

what happens when someone blows themself up in the line for the tsa checkpoint?  lets get some checkpoints for these checkpoints!

We could cordon off an area approx. five miles from the airport and setup a single point of entry. That'll keep the planes safe.

Of course everybody who lives and works inside the zone will have to gtfo so we can bulldoze those areas to make it easier for the TSA to see the zone from the new watchtowers.

I don't think that's quite enough to insure our safety.  We'll have to add one more additional checkpoint 1.5 miles up the road were we can conduct "initial profiling" to weed out suspicious characters, and then we've got ourselves an awesome air-travel security system!

Sounds good. We'll also need to implement this for busses and trains as, once the airplanes are safe the terrorisms will look for easier targets. Of course, in order to protect the busses, private vehicles won't be allowed on the roadways.
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: PIE-GUY on December 14, 2010, 11:28:02 AM
This is pretty funny... read the reviews of the product!!

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002CYTL2/ref=cm_sw_r_fa_dp_4w4bnb1SX50X3 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002CYTL2/ref=cm_sw_r_fa_dp_4w4bnb1SX50X3)

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41G9WA5NRDL.jpg)
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: VDB on December 15, 2010, 02:46:29 PM
Quote from: PIE-GUY on December 14, 2010, 11:28:02 AM
This is pretty funny... read the reviews of the product!!

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002CYTL2/ref=cm_sw_r_fa_dp_4w4bnb1SX50X3 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002CYTL2/ref=cm_sw_r_fa_dp_4w4bnb1SX50X3)

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41G9WA5NRDL.jpg)

Now I've seen everything.
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: sls.stormyrider on December 20, 2010, 01:30:23 PM
Quote from: guyforget on December 12, 2010, 03:30:24 AM
i heard that in europe, everyone on airplanes is naked anyway.  ive never been, but i hope to some day.

I'll let you know soon.



one can only hope
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: VDB on December 20, 2010, 04:28:27 PM
Quote from: slslbs on December 20, 2010, 01:30:23 PM
Quote from: guyforget on December 12, 2010, 03:30:24 AM
i heard that in europe, everyone on airplanes is naked anyway.  ive never been, but i hope to some day.

I'll let you know soon.



one can only hope

Watch out when the hot naked chick next to you reaches up to press her call button. BAM. Armpit hair all up in yo face.
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: sls.stormyrider on December 20, 2010, 06:00:38 PM
no problem.
I'll just bend down a little and try and reach some other hair.
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: sls.stormyrider on December 22, 2010, 08:10:23 PM
well, just got back from Europe and I can verify that in fact no one, not even the French women, were naked on the plane.

also, security wasn't much different than before. no body scanners, no hand jobs. just a lot more stuff to do ahead of time like make sure your full name, dob, and passport # are registered. that and the baggage size and weight restrictions were the only changes.
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: guyforget on December 23, 2010, 01:17:56 AM
im glad you had a safe trip, slslbs.

but, i am crushed by your report.  crushed.
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: antelope19 on December 23, 2010, 01:36:58 PM
Quote from: guyforget on December 23, 2010, 01:17:56 AM
im glad you had a safe trip, slslbs.

but, i am crushed by your report.  crushed.

:cry:

Doesn't even seem worth the trip. 
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: Buffalo Budd on December 23, 2010, 01:46:47 PM
Quote from: slslbs on December 22, 2010, 08:10:23 PM
well, just got back from Europe and I can verify that in fact no one, not even the French women, were naked on the plane.

also, security wasn't much different than before. no body scanners, no hand jobs. just a lot more stuff to do ahead of time like make sure your full name, dob, and passport # are registered. that and the baggage size and weight restrictions were the only changes.
Booooooo!
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: rowjimmy on December 23, 2010, 07:31:20 PM
Most concerning is the lack of hand jobs.
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: sls.stormyrider on December 23, 2010, 10:22:07 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on December 23, 2010, 07:31:20 PM
Most concerning is the lack of hand jobs.

If you've seen those guys at TSA (American and French versions), you would be happy to go without.
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: rowjimmy on December 27, 2010, 09:34:20 AM
Quote from: slslbs on December 23, 2010, 10:22:07 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on December 23, 2010, 07:31:20 PM
Most concerning is the lack of hand jobs.

If you've seen those guys at TSA (American and French versions), you would be happy to go without.

So, it's a staffing issue, huh?
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: StCarl on January 26, 2011, 02:18:03 PM
Jesse Ventura Sues TSA in Pat-Down Smackdown
http://kstp.com/news/stories/s1940324.shtml (http://kstp.com/news/stories/s1940324.shtml)

In a complaint filed Monday morning in the U.S. District Court for Minnesota, Ventura is suing the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and its secretary, Janet Napolitano, as well as the Transportation Security Administration (TSA), and its administrator, John Pistole.

Ventura accuses the agencies of violating his "basic rights to privacy and dignity, and his right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures," after he received a pat-down by a TSA agent at the Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport in November 2010.

Ventura, who said he has a titanium implant after hip replacement surgery in 2008, alleges the pat-down included "warrantless, non-suspicion-based offensive touching, gripping and rubbing of the genital and other sensitive areas of his body," which, the lawsuit contends, met "the definition for an unlawful sexual assault."
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: fauxpaxfauxreal on January 26, 2011, 02:19:52 PM
I think the real issue isn't the invasiveness of full body scans, but rather the lack of security at private airports (Some of which fly planes that are identical to commerical jetliners.)
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: rowjimmy on January 26, 2011, 03:06:54 PM
Quote from: StCarl on January 26, 2011, 02:18:03 PM
Jesse Ventura Sues TSA in Pat-Down Smackdown
http://kstp.com/news/stories/s1940324.shtml (http://kstp.com/news/stories/s1940324.shtml)

In a complaint filed Monday morning in the U.S. District Court for Minnesota, Ventura is suing the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and its secretary, Janet Napolitano, as well as the Transportation Security Administration (TSA), and its administrator, John Pistole.

Ventura accuses the agencies of violating his "basic rights to privacy and dignity, and his right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures," after he received a pat-down by a TSA agent at the Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport in November 2010.

Ventura, who said he has a titanium implant after hip replacement surgery in 2008, alleges the pat-down included "warrantless, non-suspicion-based offensive touching, gripping and rubbing of the genital and other sensitive areas of his body," which, the lawsuit contends, met "the definition for an unlawful sexual assault."
:clap:
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: VDB on February 01, 2011, 11:15:52 PM
TSA testing new software to make body scanners less intrusive. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41372969/ns/travel-news/)

So, instead of producing a nudie x-ray pic, the scanner will alert an agent if it detects an object, and then you get patted down.

Of course, this does nothing to address the issues of:

1. Invasive hand pat-downs when an object is detected
2. Potential health risks of exposure to x-rays

Frankly, the thought of some agent in a remote room seeing a grayscale negative of my junk was always the least of my objections.
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: VDB on March 28, 2011, 02:36:56 PM
Whistle-blowing witch grounded by TSA
Wiccan is fired after complaint about casting spells — and after she complained about lax security at the airport  (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41959553/ns/business-us_business/)

Even setting aside the specific dispute at the center of this story, this article contains enough other tidbits to make me not feel any better about TSA or the people who work there...
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: VDB on April 19, 2011, 01:49:27 PM
Ten years after 9/11, airport security still not getting it
When my safety scissors were taken away, it hit me: We're stuck with this nonsense permanently, aren't we?

http://www.salon.com/news/air_travel/index.html?story=/tech/col/smith/2011/04/19/airport_security (http://www.salon.com/news/air_travel/index.html?story=/tech/col/smith/2011/04/19/airport_security)
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: ph92 on April 21, 2011, 01:46:35 PM
Quote from: V00D00BR3W on March 28, 2011, 02:36:56 PM
Whistle-blowing witch grounded by TSA
Wiccan is fired after complaint about casting spells — and after she complained about lax security at the airport  (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41959553/ns/business-us_business/)

Even setting aside the specific dispute at the center of this story, this article contains enough other tidbits to make me not feel any better about TSA or the people who work there...
Wow, that is some fucked up shit.

Quote from: V00D00BR3W on April 19, 2011, 01:49:27 PM
Ten years after 9/11, airport security still not getting it
When my safety scissors were taken away, it hit me: We're stuck with this nonsense permanently, aren't we?

http://www.salon.com/news/air_travel/index.html?story=/tech/col/smith/2011/04/19/airport_security (http://www.salon.com/news/air_travel/index.html?story=/tech/col/smith/2011/04/19/airport_security)
And that's what I've been thinking since Orange Alert has been in effect since 2001. Who decides when that level goes down, and what happens if it ever does? Probably nothing, flying is just going to be a huge pain in the ass in the future. I mean this sucks now, but I can't imagine what might come in the future.
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: UncleEbinezer on April 21, 2011, 01:49:08 PM
Quote from: phishhead92 on April 21, 2011, 01:46:35 PM
Quote from: V00D00BR3W on March 28, 2011, 02:36:56 PM
Whistle-blowing witch grounded by TSA
Wiccan is fired after complaint about casting spells — and after she complained about lax security at the airport  (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41959553/ns/business-us_business/)

Even setting aside the specific dispute at the center of this story, this article contains enough other tidbits to make me not feel any better about TSA or the people who work there...
Wow, that is some fucked up shit.

Quote from: V00D00BR3W on April 19, 2011, 01:49:27 PM
Ten years after 9/11, airport security still not getting it
When my safety scissors were taken away, it hit me: We're stuck with this nonsense permanently, aren't we?

http://www.salon.com/news/air_travel/index.html?story=/tech/col/smith/2011/04/19/airport_security (http://www.salon.com/news/air_travel/index.html?story=/tech/col/smith/2011/04/19/airport_security)
And that's what I've been thinking since Orange Alert has been in effect since 2001. Who decides when that level goes down, and what happens if it ever does? Probably nothing, flying is just going to be a huge pain in the ass in the future. I mean this sucks now, but I can't imagine what might come in the future.

At least its Orange and not Bright Orange or even Blaze orange.  WOW we would be in trouble.
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: ytowndan on April 21, 2011, 05:15:07 PM
Quote from: UncleEbinezer on April 21, 2011, 01:49:08 PM
Quote from: phishhead92 on April 21, 2011, 01:46:35 PM
Quote from: V00D00BR3W on March 28, 2011, 02:36:56 PM
Whistle-blowing witch grounded by TSA
Wiccan is fired after complaint about casting spells — and after she complained about lax security at the airport  (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41959553/ns/business-us_business/)

Even setting aside the specific dispute at the center of this story, this article contains enough other tidbits to make me not feel any better about TSA or the people who work there...
Wow, that is some fucked up shit.

Quote from: V00D00BR3W on April 19, 2011, 01:49:27 PM
Ten years after 9/11, airport security still not getting it
When my safety scissors were taken away, it hit me: We're stuck with this nonsense permanently, aren't we?

http://www.salon.com/news/air_travel/index.html?story=/tech/col/smith/2011/04/19/airport_security (http://www.salon.com/news/air_travel/index.html?story=/tech/col/smith/2011/04/19/airport_security)
And that's what I've been thinking since Orange Alert has been in effect since 2001. Who decides when that level goes down, and what happens if it ever does? Probably nothing, flying is just going to be a huge pain in the ass in the future. I mean this sucks now, but I can't imagine what might come in the future.

At least its Orange and not Bright Orange or even Blaze orange.  WOW we would be in trouble.

Haven't you heard?  We're changing the terror alert system. (http://video.teamcoco.com/video/conan.jsp?oid=249280&eref=sharethisUrl) 
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: Bobafett on April 21, 2011, 05:37:52 PM
So i recently flied and forgot to put in my report.

While in MS, i bought 2 grams of some nice stuff, maybe a 6.5 out of 10, which trust me is good for MS.  The whole plan was to smoke a little while fishing, then i was going to kick it with Farmer and his wife and kids, eat some shrooms and smoke it all in a fat blunt.  Ok, so i thought i did.

While going thru the airport in Birmingham, the TSA lady ran my laptop case thru twice, i made eye contact and smiled with my southern gentleman style and moved right along.  I get back to my room and plug in the laptop, when what falls out?  A fuckin bag of weed.  granted it was only a bowls worth, but damn.  I had it on me the whole trip thru Houston and Denver!  Now I am certainly thankful that i didn't go directly to jail, but seriously.
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: PIE-GUY on April 21, 2011, 05:41:36 PM
Quote from: Bobafett on April 21, 2011, 05:37:52 PM
So i recently flied and forgot to put in my report.

While in MS, i bought 2 grams of some nice stuff, maybe a 6.5 out of 10, which trust me is good for MS.  The whole plan was to smoke a little while fishing, then i was going to kick it with Farmer and his wife and kids, eat some shrooms and smoke it all in a fat blunt.  Ok, so i thought i did.

While going thru the airport in Birmingham, the TSA lady ran my laptop case thru twice, i made eye contact and smiled with my southern gentleman style and moved right along.  I get back to my room and plug in the laptop, when what falls out?  A fuckin bag of weed.  granted it was only a bowls worth, but damn.  I had it on me the whole trip thru Houston and Denver!  Now I am certainly thankful that i didn't go directly to jail, but seriously.
. It wasn't a bomb. Should be fine. ;-)
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: VDB on May 11, 2012, 09:42:36 AM
QuoteOfficials say an 18-month-old girl was mistakenly pulled off a JetBlue flight before it left Fort Lauderdale because airline employees thought her name was on the U.S. no-fly list.

  An airline employee boarded the Newark, N.J.-bound flight before it departed Tuesday evening, telling the family their toddler was on the federal list that includes thousands of known or suspected terrorists.

  JetBlue on Thursday blamed the problem on a computer glitch, saying employees were following proper protocol. The U.S. Transportation Security Administration says the girl never was flagged by the agency.

  The child's parents told ABC affiliate WPBF they believe they were targeted because they are of Middle Eastern descent and the mother wears a hijab.

  The family was cleared to re-board. But they declined, saying they were too embarrassed.

You mean to tell me that accepting the premise that an 18 month old could plausibly belong on a no-fly list is considered "proper protocol"??

via (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/05/10/toddler-reportedly-yanked-from-flight-in-no-fly-list-mix-up/?test=latestnews#ixzz1uZIUAYgs)
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: runawayjimbo on May 11, 2012, 04:34:13 PM
Quote from: V00D00BR3W on May 11, 2012, 09:42:36 AM
QuoteOfficials say an 18-month-old girl was mistakenly pulled off a JetBlue flight before it left Fort Lauderdale because airline employees thought her name was on the U.S. no-fly list.

  An airline employee boarded the Newark, N.J.-bound flight before it departed Tuesday evening, telling the family their toddler was on the federal list that includes thousands of known or suspected terrorists.

  JetBlue on Thursday blamed the problem on a computer glitch, saying employees were following proper protocol. The U.S. Transportation Security Administration says the girl never was flagged by the agency.

  The child's parents told ABC affiliate WPBF they believe they were targeted because they are of Middle Eastern descent and the mother wears a hijab.

  The family was cleared to re-board. But they declined, saying they were too embarrassed.

You mean to tell me that accepting the premise that an 18 month old could plausibly belong on a no-fly list is considered "proper protocol"??

via (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/05/10/toddler-reportedly-yanked-from-flight-in-no-fly-list-mix-up/?test=latestnews#ixzz1uZIUAYgs)

Bureaucracy is the best.
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: VDB on May 15, 2012, 10:01:13 AM
One good thing about Fox News is they always post plenty of anti-TSA stories.

Henry Kissinger subjected to TSA pat-down at New York airport (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/05/14/henry-kissinger-subjected-to-tsa-pat-down-at-new-york-airport/?test=latestnews#ixzz1uwjowaVF)

TSA subjects 7-year-old with cerebral palsy to aggressive pat down, family misses flight (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/25/tsa-subjects-7-year-old-with-ceberal-palsy-to-aggressive-pat-down-family-misses/%20?intcmp=obnetwork#ixzz1uwjuoray)

TSA defends pat-down of 4-year-old at Kansas airport (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/25/tsa-defends-pat-down-4-year-old-at-kansas-airport/?intcmp=related)

TSA screeners charged in Los Angeles drug trafficking probe (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/25/tsa-screeners-charged-in-los-angeles-drug-trafficking-probe/?intcmp=related#ixzz1uwkaWpMJ)

GOP lawmaker slaps away TSA agent's hand during pat down -- agent claims assault (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/04/25/gop-lawmaker-on-tsa-pat-down-touched-me-in-my-private-parts-and-it-hurt/?intcmp=related#ixzz1uwlLhtZQ)
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: rowjimmy on July 20, 2012, 10:36:34 AM
A man who stripped naked to protest security screenings at the Portland International Airport was exercising his right to free speech, a court ruled Wednesday.

more info (no pictures) - > http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/07/19/157052260/court-rules-portlands-naked-traveler-protected-by-law
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: emay on July 20, 2012, 11:46:11 AM
Quote from: rowjimmy on July 20, 2012, 10:36:34 AM
A man who stripped naked to protest security screenings at the Portland International Airport was exercising his right to free speech, a court ruled Wednesday.

more info (no pictures) - > http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/07/19/157052260/court-rules-portlands-naked-traveler-protected-by-law

:clap:
Congrats to that man.
Quote"'I was mostly motivated by the absurdity of it all. The irony that they want to see me naked, but I don't get to take off my clothes off,' he said. 'You have all these machines that pretend to do it.'"
That is a great point right there.
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: ytowndan on July 21, 2012, 03:32:25 AM
Awesome!  :clap:
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: aphineday on July 21, 2012, 01:37:29 PM
Quote from: ytowndan on July 21, 2012, 03:32:25 AM
Awesome!  :clap:
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: VDB on January 18, 2013, 05:19:42 PM
TSA to junk naked body airport scanners (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/01/18/tsa-junks-naked-body-airport-scanners/)

I do have to give props (as much as it pains me) to that savvy foxnews.com headline writer for deftly referencing the "don't touch my junk" incident.
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: VDB on March 05, 2013, 02:43:38 PM
TSA to allow pocket knives, golf clubs, hockey sticks back on planes. (http://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/flights/2013/03/05/tsa-knives/1964941/)
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: sls.stormyrider on March 05, 2013, 10:35:40 PM
but not your own water or coffee
Title: Re: TSA Thread
Post by: twatts on March 06, 2013, 12:29:31 AM
"I hate the NRA, the CIA, the TSA..."  There's a new Green Day song waiting to be released on MTV...

Terry