08/15 - Long Beach Arena - Long Beach, CA -Post Show Discussion and Review

[antelope19]

He wants to be your roots rock guitar god

he is anti-guitar god in his ambitions right now.

I'm confused.

It's not confusing at all.  Roots Rock is about song writing, not shredding solos.  That's Trey.  Springsteen isn't known for his shred, he's known for writing shit that connects people with "every-man" lyrics, this is Trey.  He wants to be this singer/song writer, not the habitual psychedelic mind fuck captain that he once was.

I agree with this 100%

[Gumbo72203]

You guys are nuts, lol. 

Trey doesn't have to let 25 minute jams happen.  They happen because he wants them to.  They also don't happen when he doesn't want them to. 

Point being: Trey is a manic scatter-brain.  His interests change, ALL THE TIME.  This Rock and Roll happened, because Trey wanted to captain a spaceship from the stage.  BG2.2 happened because Trey wanted to keep blasting through songs. 

From a performance standpoint, they offer HUGELY different perspectives and methods of approach.  The latter is actually harder in a way, because you have to make every note count, and you go for the jugular all the time; its a full-on assault all the time, taking no time to explore.

And in a way, THAT is more exploratory.  You get ONE chance to come up with the goods.  Are you going to be on?  Ready for take-off?  In command?  Because if you're REALLY in command, you don't need any time to explore to come up with a good theme or idea.  It just happens instantly. 

Granted, thats not what I prefer myself, but there is something to be said for that type of approach, especially from a band whose most lauded accomplishments onstage were composed and created with, out of, and by ludiscrously long lengths of time (11/29/97 Jim, Cypress).


I think what they're doing right now is good for them:  they're going for the extremes, with super length, and super shortness.  Each type of set, as a musician, will have a completely different flow and feel. 

I mean, imagine being in their shoes.  In 1997, if Mike's Song was the 3rd song of a 2nd set, they would probably think "Okay, we maybe have time for like...  what, 4-5 more?"  Now, Mike's Song can be the 5th song of a set, and they'll still play 7 more. 

They're doing this, so that they can get a better grip on their capabilities, and get a better sense of command over the repetoire, setlist, and selection.  If they know how to make a Tweezer be 16 minutes long and interesting again, thats going to factor into how they approach the rest of the set. 

Also, look at the cycle of lengths that certain songs have been going through.  Ghost went from being routinely 15+, to routinely under 6.  Now, its back to normal.  Its REALLY easy to get bored with a song, and let it get stale, and you simply run out of ideas with it.  And the only thing is time away from it, both in performance of the song and its frequency in the rotation. 

So, I really don't remember what kind of point I was trying to make.  I'll let you guys figure that one out.  Let me know what you come up with, because I'll probably maybe agree with half of what you said I half-agree with, or definitely half-agree with everything you agreed more-than-half with.  Or you could go tackle a hot chick into a pool.  That'd be pretty awesome.

[blatboom]

You guys are nuts, lol.

I know right lol

[blatboom]

Trey doesn't have to let 25 minute jams happen.  They happen because he wants them to.  They also don't happen when he doesn't want them to.

maybe Trey should ask the other 75% of the band if they wanna jam some time

[barnesy305]

Trey doesn't have to let 25 minute jams happen.  They happen because he wants them to.  They also don't happen when he doesn't want them to.

maybe Trey should ask the other 75% of the band if they wanna jam some time

Mom will move the Volvo out of the garage and everything.

[Gumbo72203]

Trey doesn't have to let 25 minute jams happen.  They happen because he wants them to.  They also don't happen when he doesn't want them to.

maybe Trey should ask the other 75% of the band if they wanna jam some time

*sigh*  He doesn't ask, because he already knows what their answer is going to be......   :-(

[mbw]

Trey doesn't have to let 25 minute jams happen.  They happen because he wants them to.  They also don't happen when he doesn't want them to.

maybe Trey should ask the other 75% of the band if they wanna jam some time

*sigh*  He doesn't ask, because he already knows what their answer is going to be......   :-(

i'm glad you know what trey is thinking so well.

[VDB]

Trey doesn't have to let 25 minute jams happen.  They happen because he wants them to.  They also don't happen when he doesn't want them to. 

I agree with this. This band has demonstrated enough times that they can still jam at will these days. And when they don't, it's usually TA who pulls out the rug, although sometimes it's JF.

*sigh*  He doesn't ask, because he already knows what their answer is going to be......   :-(

Not sure what this means. MG seems to always be down to jam, and PM is just down for whatever.


edit: stupid me reviewing songs that weren't from this show...

[rowjimmy]

I think the biggest problem with Trey's tone is mostly coming from his right hand.

Runner up being his left.

[gah]

I think the biggest problem with Trey's tone is mostly coming from his right hand.

Runner up being his left.

I can't be sure, but I'd say it's one or the other. Definitely.

[Gumbo72203]

whichever forearm is least muscular, is the problem hand. 


he needs a shakeweight. 

[danje]

He's picking the strings to his guitar too hard.

[kellerb]

He's picking the strings to his guitar too hard NOT ENOUGH.

[rowjimmy]

He's picking the wrong strings to his guitar too often.

[Gumbo72203]

So, this Ghost might be the best all year.