Had to start a new thread im so excited right now, Just got back from the best show of my life.
Honestyly, that second set was likely the best set played since 97-98!
Met up with RJ, Slim, Antelope, Gumbo, and Mandi on page side, we rocked it!!!!
nice dude, glad you had such an amazing night as did EVERYONE else in that building tonight.
can't even fathom what it must be like for all of these first timers to discover phish in all their glory.
QuotePHISH IS FUCKING BACK!!!!!!
Q F M F T.
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on March 08, 2009, 12:59:15 AM
Met up with RJ, Slim, Antelope, Gumbo, and Mandi on page side, we rocked it!!!!
as they prolly told you we metup with them tonight to.
we'll all have to throw down together tomorrow for sure.
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on March 08, 2009, 12:59:15 AM
Had to start a new thread im so excited right now, Just got back from the best show of my life.
Honestyly, that second set was likely the best set played since 97-98!
Met up with RJ, Slim, Antelope, Gumbo, and Mandi on page side, we rocked it!!!!
So I guess that means you've been having a good time? :-D
From what I've heard so far...they're definitely back!
These first two nights have been really good, but I have a feeling that tomorrow night (or tonight I guess now), they are going to really throw it down.
i got some goodies i'm trying to get on youtube right now.
paug meetup & show pics on the way too...
..stay tuned..
DL last night - looks like a fuckin' monster!!!
Quote from: mehead on March 08, 2009, 09:38:53 AM
DL last night - looks like a fuckin' monster!!!
Paper tiger... :wink:
I'll be honest...I didn't really like much of last night's show.
Tonight is gonna be the one that everyone talks about after the run.
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ok, so from the perspective of not being there and not having the energy of a show surrounding me....
i'd say these shows are very meh... night 1 was a butcher shop IMO. fluff & divided both had cringe worthy moments. to their benefit it got better as the night went on, and the YEM was pretty hot.
i'm keeping an open mind, but i'm guessing this 2nd night isn't even the best PH show. as Aug says, paper tiger... yes, its a fantasy set, but there are ZERO jams.
phish ain't back if they can't jam...
sorry to sound negative, but i think this thread and this board need a reality check
I'd say that I'm enjoying the second set of last night a bit more than the second set of Friday. I thought the transition between Piper and Birds was pretty cool. The Wolfman's was pretty textbook, but not altogether unenjoyable.
I think that these shows are best enjoyed as what they are; a warm up for summer tour. The Trey's tone, and and the band's willingness to strive for practiced perfection (it ain't here yet, but you can read the intention in the music) already make the music more enjoyable to me than 2.0.
Ultimately, only time can put these shows into proper perspective imo. The battle between the fluffers and those who have already set the band up for failure (in their minds) has really yet to be decided.
well i hope i don't fall into either of those categories.... i'm all for them being back, but lets not let the emotion of the moment cloud our judgement of the music.
i'm certainly encouraged, and ultimately more excited to see them at alpine, but they are far from the band of even 1999
Quote from: jedifunk on March 08, 2009, 11:04:47 AM
i'm keeping an open mind, but i'm guessing this 2nd night isn't even the best PH show. as Aug says, paper tiger... yes, its a fantasy set, but there are ZERO jams.
Rock and Roll was a HUGE jam. 2nd set Saturday had some really big jams.
Quote from: jedifunk on March 08, 2009, 11:04:47 AM
ok, so from the perspective of not being there and not having the energy of a show surrounding me....
i'd say these shows are very meh... night 1 was a butcher shop IMO. fluff & divided both had cringe worthy moments. to their benefit it got better as the night went on, and the YEM was pretty hot.
i'm keeping an open mind, but i'm guessing this 2nd night isn't even the best PH show. as Aug says, paper tiger... yes, its a fantasy set, but there are ZERO jams.
phish ain't back if they can't jam...
sorry to sound negative, but i think this thread and this board need a reality check
Funk, man!!? They played Fluff better than they have in like over a decade!! I mean, aren't we going to cut the boys some slack here? The main thing I hear is LOVE in their playing again........think about how much anxiety Trey must have had coming back after the past 5 years........I dunno - I wasn't at either show, but all I needed to hear was that there was heart and hope in these shows.........obviously I'm praying that they've established their swagger and synergy by the summer tour, but I'm psyched by what I'm hearing so far.......to me this is a meet and re-greet and a respect of what got them to 1995-2004; chops, heart and focus.......these shows are the sniffing butt stage.
Hopefully by the time we're sharin' one at Alpine in June - these concerns or observations are well in the past - regardless, I really believe this is a far different band than the post-hiatus band or even the one that played most of 2000....i just hear a respectful caution (as they regain confidence not only in Trey, but themselves) instead of a cocky sloppiness...........and the fact that they nailed Fluff as well as they did, after the whole Mike Says No situation proves to me that Trey the Jedi may actually be back home.
much love, Jedi - as always, have some hard-hitting tribal tracks to send to you; FB me, good sir.
Quote from: jedifunk on March 08, 2009, 12:12:41 PM
well i hope i don't fall into either of those categories.... i'm all for them being back, but lets not let the emotion of the moment cloud our judgement of the music.
i'm certainly encouraged, and ultimately more excited to see them at alpine, but they are far from the band of even 1999
I agree with you that some reality checking is in order. I believe that that check is in understanding that these shows cannot be put into any sort of historical order until we see how things develop over summer tour. Themes which may seem insignificant and trite now may develop into great things as time wears on.
In the meantime, I don't see anything wrong with enjoying the excitement of the moment with this understanding firmly in tow.
werd scott, i'll look out for em!
as for the "jams"... i dont see how they can be big jams given the relatively small amount of time spent on each song.
now, i agree that song times don't equal awesome jams, but its a good indicator... i will be listening to last night here in about 10 minutes, so i'll know more soon... but IMO they have yet to "go off" as it were
I was hoping they would be COMPLETELY different this time around.
But, they're not. I've accepted it. And now I'm really enjoying what I'm hearing.
From the first night (mp3s, I wasn't there), Theme, Harry, and YEM all stand out as having been fantastic.
Quote from: nab on March 08, 2009, 12:16:57 PM
Quote from: jedifunk on March 08, 2009, 12:12:41 PM
well i hope i don't fall into either of those categories.... i'm all for them being back, but lets not let the emotion of the moment cloud our judgement of the music.
i'm certainly encouraged, and ultimately more excited to see them at alpine, but they are far from the band of even 1999
I agree with you that some reality checking is in order. I believe that that check is in understanding that these shows cannot be put into any sort of historical order until we see how things develop over summer tour. Themes which may seem insignificant and trite now may develop into great things as time wears on.
In the meantime, I don't see anything wrong with enjoying the excitement of the moment with this understanding firmly in tow.
i kinda knew this was gonna happen, as my comments are certainly against the grain of popular opinion.
and i think it should be clearly noted that i'm excited as anyone here... more so than most probably... i've got a long and glorious history with the band, and they mean a whole lot to me... and i DO hope they succeed in making a full recovery to the glory days...
however, i feel it is my civic duty as a "phan" to listen with a critical ear and call it as i see it... and so far i see it as ok. again, not being there has a huge effect... if i were there i would probably be swept up in the emotion of it all and all the energy.
but i'm not, so i'm being more critical
I agree with jedi here. Seems like these sets are packed with way too many songs. Looks banging on paper, and sure they certainly sound great too, but what I want to hear is the unknown. I'm sure they will eventually, but they haven't really attempted yet to get into that upper atmosphere of music.
They'll probably play Gamehendge tonight. That'll be fuckin awesome. But, as crazy as it sounds, I'd rather hear a 30 minute Jen Dances. Why? Because that'll be a mystery. And that's what I look for when I listen to Phish.
Quote from: danje on March 08, 2009, 12:31:40 PM
They'll probably play Gamehendge tonight.
:roll:
Quote from: danje on March 08, 2009, 12:31:40 PM
I agree with jedi here. Seems like these sets are packed with way too many songs. Looks banging on paper, and sure they certainly sound great too, but what I want to hear is the unknown. I'm sure they will eventually, but they haven't really attempted yet to get into that upper atmosphere of music.
They'll probably play Gamehendge tonight. That'll be fuckin awesome. But, as crazy as it sounds, I'd rather hear a 30 minute Jen Dances. Why? Because that'll be a mystery. And that's what I look for when I listen to Phish.
i agree 100%... they need to stretch that shit out! explore uncharted territory, put themselves out there... all that before i declare that they are back.
i also agree that a 30 min jenny dances would be tits!
Quote from: jedifunk on March 08, 2009, 12:21:44 PM
Quote from: nab on March 08, 2009, 12:16:57 PM
Quote from: jedifunk on March 08, 2009, 12:12:41 PM
well i hope i don't fall into either of those categories.... i'm all for them being back, but lets not let the emotion of the moment cloud our judgement of the music.
i'm certainly encouraged, and ultimately more excited to see them at alpine, but they are far from the band of even 1999
I agree with you that some reality checking is in order. I believe that that check is in understanding that these shows cannot be put into any sort of historical order until we see how things develop over summer tour. Themes which may seem insignificant and trite now may develop into great things as time wears on.
In the meantime, I don't see anything wrong with enjoying the excitement of the moment with this understanding firmly in tow.
i kinda knew this was gonna happen, as my comments are certainly against the grain of popular opinion.
and i think it should be clearly noted that i'm excited as anyone here... more so than most probably... i've got a long and glorious history with the band, and they mean a whole lot to me... and i DO hope they succeed in making a full recovery to the glory days...
however, i feel it is my civic duty as a "phan" to listen with a critical ear and call it as i see it... and so far i see it as ok. again, not being there has a huge effect... if i were there i would probably be swept up in the emotion of it all and all the energy.
but i'm not, so i'm being more critical
I agree. I am a LONG time fan, and their music has meant more than I could possibly explain here.
This weekend is more about the event than the music. None of the jams I have listened to so far have soared. Trey's chops aren't back yet, and the entire collective improv. vibe isn't all there. However, they are practicing. They relearned a bunch of heavy material. Trey's tones is excellent. Page sounds GREAT! (Check Suzy!) We'll see what tonight brings, but I'm expecting more what we're looking for by this summer.
Quote from: jedifunk on March 08, 2009, 12:48:59 PM
Quote from: danje on March 08, 2009, 12:31:40 PM
I agree with jedi here. Seems like these sets are packed with way too many songs. Looks banging on paper, and sure they certainly sound great too, but what I want to hear is the unknown. I'm sure they will eventually, but they haven't really attempted yet to get into that upper atmosphere of music.
They'll probably play Gamehendge tonight. That'll be fuckin awesome. But, as crazy as it sounds, I'd rather hear a 30 minute Jen Dances. Why? Because that'll be a mystery. And that's what I look for when I listen to Phish.
i agree 100%... they need to stretch that shit out! explore uncharted territory, put themselves out there... all that before i declare that they are back.
i also agree that a 30 min jenny dances would be tits!
i think trey's vision was to re-establish the foundation that built the band in the first place.....the hampton shows represent a starting point and I think the setlists reflect a new launchpad built on the solidity of their original, quirky, costume; i'm sure they'll try foam tonight and hopefully an epic Gin to start the 2nd set. I'm just glad they didn't show up and play a 30 minute Piper which was where Trey went to hide so often in '03 and '04 - i saw so many Pipers it makes my head spin........you have 20 minute Piper and a 15 minute Weekapaug which are so much the same tune........the fact they passed on the path of least resistence to bust out stuff they avoided after the first hiatus and were brave enough to do so after so much criticism at least shows me that they're not going to hold anything back,
eventually.......after tonight they get 3 months to review this current weekend and focus on, hopefully, a blistering summer tour.
but hell yeah - i hope tonight they rock some phan's worlds.....and it is hard to have to get pumped over the same staples we've been listening to for 15+ years, but if it's the necessary evil required to get them past the brilliance of the fall '95/fall '97/Big Cypress zenith into new levels of passionate, well-executed, sonic bliss - I'm certainly willing to wait it out........but if we have this talk over a bowl at Alpine, Funk b/c nothing's changed, I know we'll both be pissed:)
I'm praying the show at the Fox in STL - the place i caught my first show in '94 - is something special and I'm hoping the Alpine shows are as great as they generally are, but really i too am hoping for something different as well. Or something at least on par with their best stretches.
wow - i've really missed acting like i know shit about anything regarding phish or how they think - good times are back indeed :-D
ok, so best show since 97/98 was definitely an overstatement on my part but that second set was pretty smokin' nonetheless.....
Quote from: Itwasanexperience on March 08, 2009, 01:09:46 PM
i think trey's vision was to re-establish the foundation that built the band in the first place.....the hampton shows represent a starting point and I think the setlists reflect a new launchpad built on the solidity of their original, quirky, costume;
QFT
Think of this weekend as kind of like '90-'92, laying a foundation for the next phase of improv. So hopefully summer will be a new era to match '93-'95.
Quote from: Hicks on March 08, 2009, 01:43:29 PM
Quote from: Itwasanexperience on March 08, 2009, 01:09:46 PM
i think trey's vision was to re-establish the foundation that built the band in the first place.....the hampton shows represent a starting point and I think the setlists reflect a new launchpad built on the solidity of their original, quirky, costume;
QFT
Think of this weekend as kind of like '90-'92, laying a foundation for the next phase of improv. So hopefully summer will be a new era to match '93-'95.
I agree with that, these setlists are definitly long and chock full of songs but it's not the funk era yet like most expected. But we will see tonite.
Quote from: Hicks on March 08, 2009, 01:43:29 PM
Quote from: Itwasanexperience on March 08, 2009, 01:09:46 PM
i think trey's vision was to re-establish the foundation that built the band in the first place.....the hampton shows represent a starting point and I think the setlists reflect a new launchpad built on the solidity of their original, quirky, costume;
QFT
Think of this weekend as kind of like '90-'92, laying a foundation for the next phase of improv. So hopefully summer will be a new era to match '93-'95.
i could definitely live with that - but if trey is of clear focus and mind, and given that they have previously taken us to the far reaches of the cosmos, sonically, perhaps they now have a road map to somehow go beyond december '95 and nov/dec '97...but I'd take '94 or '95 any day.
Quote from: Itwasanexperience on March 08, 2009, 02:30:57 PM
Quote from: Hicks on March 08, 2009, 01:43:29 PM
Quote from: Itwasanexperience on March 08, 2009, 01:09:46 PM
i think trey's vision was to re-establish the foundation that built the band in the first place.....the hampton shows represent a starting point and I think the setlists reflect a new launchpad built on the solidity of their original, quirky, costume;
QFT
Think of this weekend as kind of like '90-'92, laying a foundation for the next phase of improv. So hopefully summer will be a new era to match '93-'95.
i could definitely live with that - but if trey is of clear focus and mind, and given that they have previously taken us to the far reaches of the cosmos, sonically, perhaps they now have a road map to somehow go beyond december '95 and nov/dec '97...
They're gonna save that for the West Coast tour. :-D
I think everyone is on the same page here.
I agree whole heartedly with jedi on this.
These seem to be feeler shows.
With very little leaving the nest adventure improv.
Not bad shows by any means, just nothing special.
I'll admit I was excited during the second set hoping some fluid segues were happenning,
but there was no real exploring.
It will take time, but you could hear the potential in Ghost, Wolfman's and Weekapaug. I liked the rearranged start to Ghost. Mostly they didn't break out with any new sound, and unfortunately they lack the tighter interplay that defined them in the early 90s. You can hear sloppiness when timing is so important, such as in It's Ice last night and YEM two nights ago. But they definitely are having their moments. It feels like they are trying to get back to the basics, hence the long playlists.
Hopefully tonight is packed with long jams.
i'm almost afraid for long jams now... i just listened to the ghost... what a fucking train wreck that was...
seems like trey is not in tune with everyone else.
I think all of these things are going to get worked out, playing in the studio and playing in front of thousands of people are two very different things, not that I have a great deal of experience in the latter, but with time these issues I think will get ironed out and won't be an issue for them. I don't think PH is anything we have to worry about, but it certainly isn't going to be exactly like the mid-90's, that's what we and they would like to happen, but I don't think it can ever be that again. It's going to be great, just different.
I'm pretty confident the jams are coming. Give it time. I'm sure that the Bonnaroo late night night set will be sick jam after sick jam. I had a dream about that set- the Giant Country Horns were in it :banana:
Quote from: G. Augusto on March 08, 2009, 09:42:29 AM
I'll be honest...I didn't really like much of last night's show.
Tonight is gonna be the one that everyone talks about after the run.
a
You know... I absolutely agree with you. Last night was sick, but... well... okay, Friday night was a straight B+ right across the board. Everything tight, everything spot on, but not a lot of jumping off.
Saturday night, however, had higher highs (Split, Antelope, Ghost) but lower lows. Punch and Hydrogen were botched, which is okay... i can forgive that for nerves and just getting lost in the moments (the Punch intro was pretty tight though) but Piper, I thought, was.... quite blah. Very little energy. We'll have to see how the tapes are. Trey started singing really early, and he tried, but never got the tempo up to where Piper is comfortable.
However, Saturday's first set was absolutely fucking BONKERS. Bonkers, I tell you!!! Red lights all over the place... that was downright evil. Its Ice, Split, and Antelope took us straight to hell and back. That Split was disgusting. I'll never forget the sight of Slim, with his arms out, like... "petting" the music, i guess... i dont even know what to call what he was doing, haha, but it was great. One of my favorite mental snapshots of the weekend.
It is official that we're back in 1995, though... tons and tons of songs per set, and Halley's and Gumbo were each under 5 minutes, if that tells you something, lol.
Quote from: jedifunk on March 08, 2009, 04:22:02 PM
i'm almost afraid for long jams now... i just listened to the ghost... what a fucking train wreck that was...
seems like trey is not in tune with everyone else.
Interesting that you say that, because I agree with you, up until the "change". It was definitely going nowhere fast, and then all of a sudden, they kind of like... just clicked it into gear, and raged the ending. And I quote Birdman "That may be the best thing they've played all weekend."
so after 5 years of waiting i finally got to see phish and i definitely got caught up in the giddiness of it all, especially the fact that i got to be about 15 feet away for the first set but man...i was actually disappointed with some song choice and tightness. PYITE was bad, mexican cousin is on my low low list of songs i wanted to hear and reba, THE one song i was dying to hear live lacked the emotion i was hoping for. I hate to be this critical after this being my first show and given the pressure im sure trey was feeling. I guess maybe i got my hopes up too high. HOWEVER...second set was very enjoyable for me at least i thought ghost was THE best song they played last night and while the length of the jams wasnt up to par with past versions(Mike's was WAY too short) i thought the segues were well done and song choice was great.
Quote from: CovertOps77 on March 08, 2009, 05:14:24 PM
I'm pretty confident the jams are coming. Give it time. I'm sure that the Bonnaroo late night night set will be sick jam after sick jam. I had a dream about that set- the Giant Country Horns were in it :banana:
Who knows what sick guest spots are gunna be in that late nite we will just have to wait
Quote from: jedifunk on March 08, 2009, 04:22:02 PM
i'm almost afraid for long jams now... i just listened to the ghost... what a fucking train wreck that was...
seems like trey is not in tune with everyone else.
I thought it was great.
Lets be patient Im sure the james will come back in time for jones
Quote from: Jezmund420 on March 08, 2009, 07:17:47 PM
Lets be patient Im sure the james will come back in time for jones
Rick James? :-D
Quote from: Hicks on March 08, 2009, 07:19:58 PM
Quote from: Jezmund420 on March 08, 2009, 07:17:47 PM
Lets be patient Im sure the james will come back in time for jones
Rick James? :-D
I don't want want jams anymore, just bring back james 8-)
Quote from: Jezmund420 on March 08, 2009, 07:20:51 PM
Quote from: Hicks on March 08, 2009, 07:19:58 PM
Quote from: Jezmund420 on March 08, 2009, 07:17:47 PM
Lets be patient Im sure the james will come back in time for jones
Rick James? :-D
I don't want want james anymore, just bring back james 8-)
You mean those guys that sang that Laid song?
Indeed
and you are so right i just got to hear them and wow its gonna be a good summer
Quote from: jedifunk on March 08, 2009, 11:04:47 AM
ok, so from the perspective of not being there and not having the energy of a show surrounding me....
i'd say these shows are very meh... night 1 was a butcher shop IMO. fluff & divided both had cringe worthy moments. to their benefit it got better as the night went on, and the YEM was pretty hot.
i'm keeping an open mind, but i'm guessing this 2nd night isn't even the best PH show. as Aug says, paper tiger... yes, its a fantasy set, but there are ZERO jams.
phish ain't back if they can't jam...
sorry to sound negative, but i think this thread and this board need a reality check
yuck. this is what i was afraid of. fwiw, i haven't listened yet.
Quote from: jedifunk on March 08, 2009, 11:04:47 AM
phish ain't back if they can't jam...
we talked about this in the car, today....
i think they were just throwing heavy hitters out, not really jamming.
antelope pointed this out and i agree.
but it was a great two nights for me.
some i'll not forget in a long time....
Quote from: redrum on March 09, 2009, 01:41:59 PM
Quote from: jedifunk on March 08, 2009, 11:04:47 AM
phish ain't back
:roll:
:lol: :lol:
mock it all you want, but i stand by it... i didn't hear anything to make me feel like they are "Back"...
yes, they are playing again, and yes this weekend laid a very very solid foundation for the future, but IMO they are far from back.
and thats OK... i'm cool with that. they need time. think about it, they haven't played or thought about most of these tunes in 5 yrs. thats a long time to forget stuff.
i just think that after a couple listens of the weekend, that they've still got a lot of remembering to do. i felt like they had trouble remembering how most songs even started. i noticed it every night and on at least 70% of the songs... they just didn't even know how to get the songs going. add in the lack of jamming and they've got a ways to go.
in any case, i'm certainly not a hater, and hope against hope that they get back to where they belong... but there was no "it" in the music IMO.
take it for what its worth... especially coming from someone who wasn't there.
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on March 09, 2009, 01:12:47 PM
Quote from: jedifunk on March 08, 2009, 11:04:47 AM
ok, so from the perspective of not being there and not having the energy of a show surrounding me....
i'd say these shows are very meh... night 1 was a butcher shop IMO. fluff & divided both had cringe worthy moments. to their benefit it got better as the night went on, and the YEM was pretty hot.
i'm keeping an open mind, but i'm guessing this 2nd night isn't even the best PH show. as Aug says, paper tiger... yes, its a fantasy set, but there are ZERO jams.
phish ain't back if they can't jam...
sorry to sound negative, but i think this thread and this board need a reality check
yuck. this is what i was afraid of. fwiw, i haven't listened yet.
So, based on one man's opinion out of the thousands that were there and the thousands of us that have listened, all you can muster up is "yuck"...?
Listen to the shows and form your own opinion. These shows weren't nearly as bad as some are making them out to be.
And this...
Quotephish ain't back if they can't jam...
...is just absolute nonsense. It's funny how quick people are to point out the band's weaknesses and even quicker to leave the good points completely alone. "Oh, Trey missed a change" ..."Page had to pull that one out for them" ..."Fish is off in his own world again". Come on. :roll:
Phish didn't even start jamming until around 1994-95 with a few exceptions before then. From 1983-1994(ish), 11+ years, they were a rock band. Not a jam band.
I have no issue with them returning to what they once were and then building upon it and finding their groove again. I mean, it's not as if they just took the last 4.5 years off or anything. The first time I saw them they were a rock band and they rocked my socks off.
Go read some of the setlists prior to 94-95. A 12-15 song first set wasn't uncommon. I'd rather see them rock out then get up there and go right back to post-hiatus wankery. Which is what 95% of post-hiatus was.
5 years ago most of us were heart broken that they were calling it quits. Let's just let them do their thing and be glad they even came back at all.
Quote from: Rich on March 09, 2009, 02:01:49 PM
So, based on one man's opinion out of the thousands that were there and the thousands of us that have listened, all you can muster up is "yuck"...?
Listen to the shows and form your own opinion. These shows weren't nearly as bad as some are making them out to be.
And this...
Quotephish ain't back if they can't jam...
...is just absolute nonsense. It's funny how quick people are to point out the band's weaknesses and even quicker to leave the good points completely alone. "Oh, Trey missed a change" ..."Page had to pull that one out for them" ..."Fish is off in his own world again". Come on. :roll:
Phish didn't even start jamming until around 1994-95 with a few exceptions before then. From 1983-1994(ish), 11+ years, they were a rock band. Not a jam band.
I have no issue with them returning to what they once were and then building upon it and finding their groove again. I mean, it's not as if they just took the last 4.5 years off or anything. The first time I saw them they were a rock band and they rocked my socks off.
Go read some of the setlists prior to 94-95. A 12-15 song first set wasn't uncommon. I'd rather see them rock out then get up there and go right back to post-hiatus wankery. Which is what 95% of post-hiatus was.
5 years ago most of us were heart broken that they were calling it quits. Let's just let them do their thing and be glad they even came back at all.
+K
Quote from: Rich on March 09, 2009, 02:01:49 PM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on March 09, 2009, 01:12:47 PM
Quote from: jedifunk on March 08, 2009, 11:04:47 AM
ok, so from the perspective of not being there and not having the energy of a show surrounding me....
i'd say these shows are very meh... night 1 was a butcher shop IMO. fluff & divided both had cringe worthy moments. to their benefit it got better as the night went on, and the YEM was pretty hot.
i'm keeping an open mind, but i'm guessing this 2nd night isn't even the best PH show. as Aug says, paper tiger... yes, its a fantasy set, but there are ZERO jams.
phish ain't back if they can't jam...
sorry to sound negative, but i think this thread and this board need a reality check
yuck. this is what i was afraid of. fwiw, i haven't listened yet.
So, based on one man's opinion out of the thousands that were there and the thousands of us that have listened, all you can muster up is "yuck"...?
Listen to the shows and form your own opinion. These shows weren't nearly as bad as some are making them out to be.
And this...
Quotephish ain't back if they can't jam...
...is just absolute nonsense. It's funny how quick people are to point out the band's weaknesses and even quicker to leave the good points completely alone. "Oh, Trey missed a change" ..."Page had to pull that one out for them" ..."Fish is off in his own world again". Come on. :roll:
Phish didn't even start jamming until around 1994-95 with a few exceptions before then. From 1983-1994(ish), 11+ years, they were a rock band. Not a jam band.
I have no issue with them returning to what they once were and then building upon it and finding their groove again. I mean, it's not as if they just took the last 4.5 years off or anything. The first time I saw them they were a rock band and they rocked my socks off.
Go read some of the setlists prior to 94-95. A 12-15 song first set wasn't uncommon. I'd rather see them rock out then get up there and go right back to post-hiatus wankery. Which is what 95% of post-hiatus was.
5 years ago most of us were heart broken that they were calling it quits. Let's just let them do their thing and be glad they even came back at all.
I know from experience that jedi and I have very similar tastes when it comes to Phish. If jedi is blase about how the band sounded, than I am confidant that I might feel the same way.
I wasn't heartbroken when they quit 5 years ago, I was happy to see them go, because they had started to suck it, and I did not want to feel compelled to shell out thousands following them around and wasting my time if they weren't going to deliver.
I will definitely hear the shows myself and make my own decision, but based on jedi's analysis and aug's second night analysis I've gone from a "hell yeah" type of feeling to a "oh...ok" type of feeling.
I'm glad that people had a great time at the show...but sometimes being at a show can cloud your judgement as to the quality of the show (Like 10/25/96 when I walked out of Hampton and foolishly declared that it was "DEFINITELY ONE OF THE TEN BEST PHISH SHOWS EVER"...I have obviously revised my opinion...it might not have been one of the best three shows that week.)
Quote from: Rich on March 09, 2009, 02:01:49 PM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on March 09, 2009, 01:12:47 PM
Quote from: jedifunk on March 08, 2009, 11:04:47 AM
ok, so from the perspective of not being there and not having the energy of a show surrounding me....
i'd say these shows are very meh... night 1 was a butcher shop IMO. fluff & divided both had cringe worthy moments. to their benefit it got better as the night went on, and the YEM was pretty hot.
i'm keeping an open mind, but i'm guessing this 2nd night isn't even the best PH show. as Aug says, paper tiger... yes, its a fantasy set, but there are ZERO jams.
phish ain't back if they can't jam...
sorry to sound negative, but i think this thread and this board need a reality check
yuck. this is what i was afraid of. fwiw, i haven't listened yet.
So, based on one man's opinion out of the thousands that were there and the thousands of us that have listened, all you can muster up is "yuck"...?
Listen to the shows and form your own opinion. These shows weren't nearly as bad as some are making them out to be.
And this...
Quotephish ain't back if they can't jam...
...is just absolute nonsense. It's funny how quick people are to point out the band's weaknesses and even quicker to leave the good points completely alone. "Oh, Trey missed a change" ..."Page had to pull that one out for them" ..."Fish is off in his own world again". Come on. :roll:
Phish didn't even start jamming until around 1994-95 with a few exceptions before then. From 1983-1994(ish), 11+ years, they were a rock band. Not a jam band.
I have no issue with them returning to what they once were and then building upon it and finding their groove again. I mean, it's not as if they just took the last 4.5 years off or anything. The first time I saw them they were a rock band and they rocked my socks off.
Go read some of the setlists prior to 94-95. A 12-15 song first set wasn't uncommon. I'd rather see them rock out then get up there and go right back to post-hiatus wankery. Which is what 95% of post-hiatus was.
5 years ago most of us were heart broken that they were calling it quits. Let's just let them do their thing and be glad they even came back at all.
rich - no offense, but its not nosense... its quite logical when you detach your emotion from the situation.
i agree with a lot of what you are saying... yes, back in the day they weren't nearly as jammy as they became in the late 90s... but read what i wrote.
i hardly feel like i'm bashing the band... quite the opposite actually. i think i'm being completely rational. i am happy to see them back and playing... they were certainly tight for 80% of the weekend. and as i've already stated, they've laid a great foundation for the future.
my point really, is all the talk about them being "back" is extremely premature. i don't think that most of what they played would have stood up during 93-95. and thats not the point anyways.
again, i'll i want is for people to remove the emotion when talking about them being "back"...
and i certainly feel i have a right to my opinion... i've well over 150 shows, so i know a thing or two about this band... and when i listen, i conclude that they are certainly not "back"... they are playing again, playing pretty darn well, and it sounds good and is enjoyable to listen to...
but certainly not "back" IMHO.
*disclaimer- take it fwiw, its only my opinion
I have to agree with what Jedi is saying, with the only exception being the DWD and GBOTT. The base is there, they have laid the ground work for what they have to build up on. They were practicing for the past few months, but they were had to relearn how to play 80+ plus songs together, some that they hadn't play in almost a decade together and some that they never had. The jams will come, for me their weakest aspect was their vocals, they sounded very tentative and unsure of themselves when they were singing. Again, that will come back with time. And as far a Phish being back, I think that they totally are, what we were getting in 03-04 I hope we all can agree was not Phish, while this wasn't the Phish of 93-99, it certainly was a hell of a lot better than the Phish that came after their first break.
Quote from: thechad on March 09, 2009, 02:36:57 PM
it certainly was a hell of a lot better than the Phish that came after their first break.
Having not heard the recent shows, I will attest to the Hampton '03 shows being a major fucking let down with the exception of Contact which was 5 minutes of awesome.
agreed.. DWD is pretty tight as is the -> from twist to 2001.
oh and beauty of a broken heart... that shit is TIGHT, i hope that becomes a regular.
that and i really enjoyed undermind.
so see, i definitely enjoyed the music...
How was the Gin?
Last night was my favorite of the weekend. Gin was dope, DWD was by far the best jam of the night. They really seemed to start getting comfortable last night - and I had the most fun.
i would agree with mcgrupp here... from listening to the shows, they seemed to be the most comfortable on night 3, more willing to open up
My personal opinion is that they're on the right track to be back!!! Its pretty obvious IMO what they're doing... They went back to the roots of all these songs to get a handle on playing them again, and the reason I think they played these 3 shows was to get their feet a little wet playing live together again... But from a technical standpoint these shows sound real good even with the lack of jamming which I think will be far more prevalent during the summer tour... They will critque these shows and listen for what they feel needs to be improved in the base of these songs and build them up from there with feeling alot more comfortable jamming within some of these songs... But it seems totally obvious to me that their hearts are back into Phish and the Funk jams will be derived from that inner spirit of their souls again... I really think its going to be a great summer...
Songs I'm glad to see...
Tube
Guelah Papyrus
Fluffhead
Sanity
My Friend My Friend
Quote from: jedifunk on March 09, 2009, 03:13:23 PM
i would agree with mcgrupp here... from listening to the shows, they seemed to be the most comfortable on night 3, more willing to open up
No surprise there though, from 98 on it almost always took them a couple shows to get into the groove of things.
just finished up night 3. definitely the best show, it seems to me. they finally jammed something out, DWD. i thought it sounded great.
it think they really wanted to make the point that they practiced and that they can play all of those songs. which in most cases they could. i agree with jedi that for many of the tunes, there was a certain 'it' factor missing, which is to be expected after such a long break. many times they did 'just' play the song, in a way that lacked a totally cohesive feeling. at different times, all four of them felt like they were just barely keeping up, and they were a few trainwrecks here and there.
but overall, they exceeded expectations. there is much potential in what they showed us. the east coast tour should prove to be awesome... and the west coast tour even better!
well now that I have gotten my head back together and have had a chance to listen to these shows on the ride home from Hampton i guess I have a slightly different few after a second listen...
I have to agree with Jedi that there was very little "it" factor this weekend, but like many of you said I think the jamming and experimenting will come this summer....how are you going to have time to jam when you want to fit 89 songs into 3 days?!
What I was very pleased to hear was some of the tightest phish since pre-hiatus, sure there was a few flubs here and there but they seemed more "human" mistakes that can be fixed with more practice.....not mistakes made simply because trey was strung out. For the most part they made it through some of their more complicated material very well.
also, what was the deal with Cars, Trucks, Buses? Was it a new arrangement or did they just completely blow it? I couldn't figure it out at the time but something didn't feel right...
Brian and Robert had a new arrangement as well.........I was kinda bummed, i liked the "ooh oohs" :-P
Alright guys, glad to hear some discussusion and dissenting opinions about the shows.
HOW GREAT IS IT TO BE TALKING ABOUT CURRENT SHOWS!
I haven't listened to everything yet but I have talked to many people who were there and based off there opinions, opinion from the set lists, and here I have to say that despite the incredibly high crowd energy that sounded remarkable, I am not as sour about missing these shows now.
Seems to me that these shows were statement shows and as commmented on above layed a great foundation for things to come this summer/year. They proved to everyone that they have been practicing, are determined to get back on track, and are all for playing there harder more compositional based material. Imo, I would rather hear a 4-7 song exploratory set then a 17 song set but it would be nice to hear the whole catalogue, no doubt. I mean, when your friends say guelah was the highlight of sat you say hells ya but also sigh in relief knowing it wasn't some epic 20 minute [insert song] jam.
All in all I am more excited for these summers shows and can't wait to get back on the train myself.
and I'm glad I didn't miss a forbin>mockingbird. after seeing nite one setlist I was sure that was happening.
Quote from: Blaise on March 09, 2009, 07:41:43 PM
and I'm glad I didn't miss a forbin>mockingbird. after seeing nite one setlist I was sure that was happening.
everyone there thought the same thing.
Quote from: jedifunk on March 09, 2009, 02:23:59 PM
and i certainly feel i have a right to my opinion... i've well over 150 shows, so i know a thing or two about this band... and when i listen, i conclude that they are certainly not "back"... they are playing again, playing pretty darn well, and it sounds good and is enjoyable to listen to...
but certainly not "back" IMHO.
*disclaimer- take it fwiw, its only my opinion
You definitely have a right to your opinion. Just as I have a right to mine. And while I agree they aren't "back" like you would want them to be, they're definitely back to build upon what they once were. All I'm saying is we should give them time and watch what happens.
Personally I had no expectations going into the Hampton shows. If I had, I may have been let down or I may have been elated. At this point I am neither. But I am certainly not going to say "phish ain't back if they can't jam...". That's both foolish (no offense) and unfair to the band as a whole. They play rock and roll. That's my point. When they reach a comfortable stage to start jamming again,
then we can start the critiquing.
Let them rock for now. I've talked to enough people who loved the shows. People on this very board (names withheld to protect the innocent). :wink:
I respect your opinion, jedi. However, we'll have to agree to disagree right now. That's okay with me. I'd rather agree to disagree than get into a big old pissing match where nobody comes out happy and we end up disliking each other.
Phish is back... let's let them rock our brains, get more practice in before Summer and then blow our minds like they used to. Thank God they're not sloppy like they were post-hiatus. I think they'd like to put that era behind them as much as we would.
Cheers, bro. :beers:
Phish IS back.
Make no mistake about it.
It's only going to get better.
Quote from: mattstick on March 08, 2009, 12:13:34 PM
Quote from: jedifunk on March 08, 2009, 11:04:47 AM
i'm keeping an open mind, but i'm guessing this 2nd night isn't even the best PH show. as Aug says, paper tiger... yes, its a fantasy set, but there are ZERO jams.
Rock and Roll was a HUGE jam. 2nd set Saturday had some really big jams.
No jams on Saturday?!?!?! LMFAO!
I'm listening to Tube from Sunday night.
Good God... they are on fire here!!! HELL YES! :banana:
Focused on show 3 today. The way the tunes were arranged in my ipod, I heard set 2 first. DwD was decent, started off strong and did maintain a little bit of "x" throughout its jam. The transitions from there through Moma Dance were good and provided a nice sequence. One can truly appreciate the lyrical parallels between WMGGW and Phish's return also.
It was nice to hear the band execute Foam flawlessly, while driving I was thinking to myself, "holy s***, 2009 Foam!"
Undermind was a cool reprise esp. after discussions/predictions here.
Maze was good and for those who love Bob Weir will love the LP SBD mix where Trey is mixed over Page so you can hear is rythym improvisations.
I've heard show 1 and must admit it was fun to see their first set unwind here w/ virtual rj updates and pics from LP.
I haven't heard show 2 yet, tomorrow perhaps.
Phish is.
Quote from: caravan2001 on March 09, 2009, 08:27:42 PM
Quote from: mattstick on March 08, 2009, 12:13:34 PM
Quote from: jedifunk on March 08, 2009, 11:04:47 AM
i'm keeping an open mind, but i'm guessing this 2nd night isn't even the best PH show. as Aug says, paper tiger... yes, its a fantasy set, but there are ZERO jams.
Rock and Roll was a HUGE jam. 2nd set Saturday had some really big jams.
No jams on Saturday?!?!?! LMFAO!
Q4T
Quotei'm guessing this 2nd night isn't even the best PH show
Guessing? Come on man. :roll:
Quoteas Aug says, paper tiger... yes, its a fantasy set
Paper tiger? WTF? Fantasy set...?
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y151/dead_ahead/picard_ashamed.jpg)
[kills thread]
2nd night was easily my favorite of the 3
That Limb by Limb rocked!
Man i am digging the full band Backwards Down The Number Line also Beauty of a Broken Heart is pretty killer too
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on March 10, 2009, 01:02:01 AM
2nd night was easily my favorite of the 3
That Limb by Limb rocked!
Same here. :-)
My daughter has been asking me to play Reba over and over again so she can sing the bag it, tag it section. :lol:
It had a few warts but I'm okay with that because I know they'll smooth things out between now and Summer tour.
i think its safe to say the third night was the best, but both of the other nights have their jems as well. i personally loved Taste from night one, i just felt there was great cohesion between all members. for the second night i felt like the SOAM and Rock and Roll really stood out. overall i feel somewhat the same as jedi and everyone else in that they are back, but not to their full potential as seen in the late 90's. im excited to see how they improve after practice at the Jones shows.
Quote from: susep73 on March 09, 2009, 09:04:40 PM
It was nice to hear the band execute Foam flawlessly, while driving I was thinking to myself, "holy s***, 2009 Foam!"
wait, foam? that was a disaster, wasn't it? trey was a mess on that one. or am i getting confused? guess i can listen again, but that stood out as one of the sloppiest, i thought.
Foam was excellent.
Quote from: cactusfan on March 10, 2009, 02:48:09 AM
Quote from: susep73 on March 09, 2009, 09:04:40 PM
It was nice to hear the band execute Foam flawlessly, while driving I was thinking to myself, "holy s***, 2009 Foam!"
wait, foam? that was a disaster, wasn't it? trey was a mess on that one. or am i getting confused? guess i can listen again, but that stood out as one of the sloppiest, i thought.
Wrong.
Foam was on the $$$$.
If you consider it a disaster, you must hate phish :roll: :-P
or you MUST be confused.
yes, the foam was tits... very well executed
I wasn't disappointed with the playing--sure, maybe some of the really complicated sections could have been tighter , but it hasn't been 1988 in over 20 years.
It did seem to me, at the show 2nd night, that the jammed transitions b/w songs might have been a little forced, and that they were a little off with the vocals, but I'm reserving judgment until I listen all the way through.
Among many, many high points for me, Undermind was a treat.
:phish: :phish:
Phish is so back it's readicculus! These shows made me think of the fall of 95 - after the long and often aimless jams of the summer Phish came back and re-focused everything. I love shows with crazy long jams like the Providence Bowie show, but then one of my absolute favorite shows is 10/29/95 in Louisville. There were no "out there" jams at all, yet the show just blew me away from start to finish. Look at this setlist:
Set I: Buried Alive > Poor Heart, Julius, Punch You in the Eye, Cars Trucks Buses, The Horse > Silent in the Morning, Split Open and Melt, NICU, Gumbo, Slave to the Traffic Light, Sweet Adeline
Set II: Makisupa Policeman -> David Bowie, The Mango Song, It's Ice -> Kung -> It's Ice -> Shaggy Dog -> Possum -> Lifeboy, Amazing Grace
Encore: Funky Bitch
Nothing huge there at all... Now look at this one:
Set I: Fluffhead, The Divided Sky, Chalkdust Torture, Sample in a Jar, Stash, I Didn't Know, The Oh Kee Pa Ceremony, Suzy Greenberg, Farmhouse, NICU, Horn, Rift, Train Song, Water in the Sky, The Squirming Coil, David Bowie
Set II: Backwards Down The Number Line, Tweezer, Taste, Possum, Theme from the Bottom, First Tube, Harry Hood, Waste, You Enjoy Myself
Encore: Grind, Bouncing Around the Room, Loving Cup
They could almost be from the same era. I love it!!
BTW, It was great meeting a bunch of you this weekend. Had a freakin' blast! Still have no voice today.
Peace
-Pie Guy
PIE!!!
Good to see you posting, dude!
And, btw, I totally agree. they don't have to stretch to smoke.
haha, word... I saw you Friday night Pie-guy and I was certainly wondering what the shirt was supposed to mean, but I think I've figured it out. You like pie.
Who doesn't!?!?!
PIE!
Glad you stopped by.
Now scram, n00b! :-D
what up PIE-GUY
Quote from: PIE-GUY on March 10, 2009, 09:49:05 AM
but then one of my absolute favorite shows is 10/29/95 in Louisville. There were no "out there" jams at all, yet the show just blew me away from start to finish. Look at this setlist:
Set I: Buried Alive > Poor Heart, Julius, Punch You in the Eye, Cars Trucks Buses, The Horse > Silent in the Morning, Split Open and Melt, NICU, Gumbo, Slave to the Traffic Light, Sweet Adeline
Set II: Makisupa Policeman -> David Bowie, The Mango Song, It's Ice -> Kung -> It's Ice -> Shaggy Dog -> Possum -> Lifeboy, Amazing Grace
Encore: Funky Bitch
http://week4paug.net/index.php?topic=9414.0
PiE-GuY up in the heezy!
welcome to the 'Paug bro, best place on the web.
me n my girl were either 2 seats over or the row in front of you Sunday night.
good times!!!
I'd have to say that they are far from being "back".....yet also far from being "gone".....
They have a LOT of work cut out for them if they want to do this right and keep what respect they do have left.....it wasn't BAD, it wasn't GREAT, but at the same time it wasn't THAT good imho.....
Seriously now...think about this.....Say some other huge band/group got back together after a long time away, and they played as (and I'm using the term loosely here) sloppy as these were (figuratively speeking compared to what we know they are capable of)......Ya, sure you're glad they're back and playing music, etc etc etc.....BUT.....
As fans we are WAY too forgiving at times......
If ANY other band pulled this stunt, we'd be all over their asses for the lackluster performance....but since it's Phish, we're ok with that.....
Sorry, I'm just a grumpy pants here this AM....
and for the record....I hope the folks who got my tix had a good time.....it feels good knowing that I didn't waste em, cuz I know if I had been there I wouldda left after the first night....
It's not like they're slopping all over the place.
Compared to the dogshit from '04 they are better than back.
We won't even count 2003-2004....those years don't even exist....
Compared to those 2 years, a pack of 4 dogs farting into trombones would be more "back" than those years of slop....
Exactly.
And the energy... it's fresher than a lot of 2000.
Quote from: Marmar on March 10, 2009, 10:16:50 AM
Seriously now...think about this.....Say some other huge band/group got back together after a long time away, and they played as (and I'm using the term loosely here) sloppy as these were (figuratively speeking compared to what we know they are capable of)......Ya, sure you're glad they're back and playing music, etc etc etc.....BUT.....
Here's what I think you are missing - The closest comparison I can think of for a "Big Band" to take several years off and then come back playing well without missing a single change or whatever would be Rush. They play complex music that is tight etc... but they also play the same set every night. They practice that set until it is memorized cold. They have never played 3 shows with no repeats in their entire career.
We're talking about basically a 7-set show if you add the encores... all of it was tight as hell. I am really not cutting them that much slack when I say the shows were freakin' stellar. I really think they were.
Dave!
I've been enjoying what I have been hearing so far (through Mikes on Sat). By no means the best, but very good. It's a pretty big undertaking to play 3 3hr + shows and no repeats the first time out.
The jams aren't long, mindbending jams, but
1) this was their first 3 shows,
2)they are clearly listening to each other and allowing things to let loose for short periods of time, examples that come to mind are RnR, Ghost (I also like the set 2 transitions that night), and
3) the length of a jam does not directly correlate how good it is. Even when they were on, there were some jams that didn't do anything for a several choruses before things took hold (ex Tweezer, 12/06/97).
The other thing that came to mind is that there is a high energy level. I got the feeling that they feel like they have something to prove again - both to us and to themselves. As long as they have that attitude, things will progress.
I'll just say it was nice to see them all smiling again. I felt like they were "taking it in" as much as we were. Everyone in the room was having fun.
As for the playing, I thought it was solid. Easily the best I've seen them play since 2000, and I caught a number of shows PH. Obviously, there were a couple points in each night I wished they had taken it all the way out, but IMO, that's not the direction the weekend had been going. Phish nailed Hampton 2009. If you think differently, you're delirious.
Quote from: antelope19 on March 10, 2009, 10:48:20 AM
Phish nailed Hampton 2009. If you think differently, you're delirious.
QFT
Quote from: antelope19 on March 10, 2009, 10:48:20 AM
I'll just say it was nice to see them all smiling again. I felt like they were "taking it in" as much as we were. Everyone in the room was having fun.
I felt the same way, all 4 of them had huge smiles all weekend, and so did I!
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on March 10, 2009, 11:02:15 AM
Quote from: antelope19 on March 10, 2009, 10:48:20 AM
I'll just say it was nice to see them all smiling again. I felt like they were "taking it in" as much as we were. Everyone in the room was having fun.
I felt the same way, all 4 of them had huge smiles all weekend, and so did I!
you ain't kidding ;)
I'd take this show over Saturday in a heartbeat:
06/20/04 - Saratoga Peforming Arts Center, Saratoga Springs, NY
1: Rift, Julius, Bill Bailey Won't You Please Come Home?, Waves, Gumbo, Water in the Sky, Horn, Poor Heart, Drowned
2: Seven Below, Ghost -> Twist, You Enjoy Myself Encore: Good Times Bad Times
Quote from: Marmar on March 10, 2009, 10:24:44 AM
We won't even count 2003-2004....those years don't even exist....
Compared to those 2 years, a pack of 4 dogs farting into trombones would be more "back" than those years of slop....
Summer 03 had some very tight, in-the-moment playing. In a sense, the music of Summer 03 is much better than anything from this weekend. That said, I love the new direction and attitude of 3.0, I wish I was there, and can't wait to hear some shows this summer.
Quote from: Hicks on March 10, 2009, 11:07:08 AM
I'd take this show over Saturday in a heartbeat:
06/20/04 - Saratoga Peforming Arts Center, Saratoga Springs, NY
1: Rift, Julius, Bill Bailey Won't You Please Come Home?, Waves, Gumbo, Water in the Sky, Horn, Poor Heart, Drowned
2: Seven Below, Ghost -> Twist, You Enjoy Myself Encore: Good Times Bad Times
I was at both shows, andn while that SPAC show is really good (Drowned jam at least), I did not leave it with my shirt TOTALLY soaked to the bone.....and I get your point, there was some good stuff in PH despite what Marmar says, but we can;t just compare one show to another. I mean, I thought Hampton ruled face. Was it Binghampton '92? Of course not, but it kicked ass. Was it even 2/28/03? Probably not, but you can;t just compare shows like that, you would go insane. The boys are back and on fire! End thread/
Quote from: Hicks on March 10, 2009, 11:07:08 AM
I'd take this show over Saturday in a heartbeat:
06/20/04 - Saratoga Peforming Arts Center, Saratoga Springs, NY
1: Rift, Julius, Bill Bailey Won't You Please Come Home?, Waves, Gumbo, Water in the Sky, Horn, Poor Heart, Drowned
2: Seven Below, Ghost -> Twist, You Enjoy Myself Encore: Good Times Bad Times
I was there maaan.
still looking for that Gumbo jam.
Quote from: caravan2001 on March 10, 2009, 11:12:16 AM
Quote from: Hicks on March 10, 2009, 11:07:08 AM
I'd take this show over Saturday in a heartbeat:
06/20/04 - Saratoga Peforming Arts Center, Saratoga Springs, NY
1: Rift, Julius, Bill Bailey Won't You Please Come Home?, Waves, Gumbo, Water in the Sky, Horn, Poor Heart, Drowned
2: Seven Below, Ghost -> Twist, You Enjoy Myself Encore: Good Times Bad Times
I was at both shows, andn while that SPAC show is really good (Drowned jam at least), I did not leave it with my shirt TOTALLY soaked to the bone.....and I get your point, there was some good stuff in PH despite what Marmar says, but we can;t just compare one show to another. I mean, I thought Hampton ruled face. Was it Binghampton '92? Of course not, but it kicked ass. Was it even 2/28/03? Probably not, but you can;t just compare shows like that, you would go insane. The boys are back and on fire! End thread/
heh, 2/28/03 and these shows may end up having a lot in common down the road a bit.
Seven Below and Twist are my highlights of 6/20/04.
i like to eat eat eat apples and :banana:.
I was glad they came back, and i can't wait to see them in person. I was not blown away by some totally new sound or jam, but i was happy with the setlists and i have only heard a few flubs here and there. They blew Zeppelin 2.0 out of the fuckin water, tho.
Quote from: Marmar on March 10, 2009, 10:16:50 AM
and for the record....I hope the folks who got my tix had a good time.....it feels good knowing that I didn't waste em, cuz I know if I had been there I wouldda left after the first night....
Sorry to keep harping on this one post, but here's the other point I'd like to make... Would you really have left after night one?!?!
For most of us, I bet, we are like season ticket-holders for our local NFL team. They go even when the team is having an off year (or decade for that matter). If they make the play-offs, even better. If not, oh well.
The excitement of the reunion shows at Hampton made them a bit like the play-offs. No way I would have missed any of it, even if night one was a flub-fest. I would have held onto hope that by night three they would have pulled it together. That they'd be underdogs by then would make me want it even more!
My favorite thing about phish is the jamming and some of my favorite sets are like 5 songs or less. That said, I'm a huge fan their music and love almost all of their songs. I was not at all disappointed by the lack of jamming lengths. This weekend was a triumphant return IMO. I was somewhere in the Page side front 1/4 of the floor for all eighty-some songs and the energy and emotion was remarkable.
:phish:
The only shows you could fairly compare these to are the Hampton 03 run... only they went almost twice as long without playing this time. IMO they show much more potential with these three shows than in 2003. They really had a greatest hits approach with the selection of songs, a little something for everyone - I loved not having to sit through all those bad Undermind songs, and the song Undermind ruled face. Really it was a lot like Hampton 98 with the monster first sets and little jamming. I felt like they were taking themselves seriously again, which will lead to amazing if they keep at it.
:phish:
It's pretty sad that people are down on these shows after performances like Foam, Guelah Papyrus, My Friend My Friend, It's Ice, SO&M, WMGGW...
who's down on these shows? i get the feel that that's what people think about me... i certainly do NOT think these shows were bad.
i just question the overenthused "they're fucking back" mentality.. because when i listen, i feel they are lacking in certain areas that are critical to them "being back"
i've rocked the 3 shows every day since saturday morning... and i think they're great shows for what they are - a glimpse of the future of phish 3.0
but i don't think "they are fucking back"..... YET.
i fully expect them to jump to hyperspace come the summer
Quote from: rowjimmy on March 10, 2009, 10:27:07 AM
Exactly.
And the energy... it's fresher than a lot of 2000.
Energy wise, yes, but playing wise, I would take 2000 any day. But they will get there again.......and for this, I am happy.
Quote from: jedifunk on March 10, 2009, 01:36:50 PM
who's down on these shows? i get the feel that that's what people think about me... i certainly do NOT think these shows were bad.
i just question the overenthused "they're fucking back" mentality.. because when i listen, i feel they are lacking in certain areas that are critical to them "being back"
i've rocked the 3 shows every day since saturday morning... and i think they're great shows for what they are - a glimpse of the future of phish 3.0
but i don't think "they are fucking back"..... YET.
i fully expect them to jump to hyperspace come the summer
100% agreed. I think they are solid shows, but to term them as "amazing" is hyperbole to say the least, IMO.
For the record had I been there I have no doubt that I would have had the time of my life too.
so they're back, just not 'fucking back'
Quote from: blatboom on March 10, 2009, 01:46:17 PM
so they're back, just not 'fucking back'
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Quote from: blatboom on March 10, 2009, 01:46:17 PM
so they're back, just not 'fucking back'
:lol:
This thread is killing me.
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Quote from: jedifunk on March 10, 2009, 01:36:50 PM
who's down on these shows? i get the feel that that's what people think about me... i certainly do NOT think these shows were bad.
i just question the overenthused "they're fucking back" mentality.. because when i listen, i feel they are lacking in certain areas that are critical to them "being back"
i've rocked the 3 shows every day since saturday morning... and i think they're great shows for what they are - a glimpse of the future of phish 3.0
but i don't think "they are fucking back"..... YET.
i fully expect them to jump to hyperspace come the summer
I have no idea why you think I was directing my comment at you... I think all of the points you have made are accurate. We usually see eye to eye on this stuff anyway. The vague use of the word "People" was directed at people that I know/ or met this weekend that love to hate on Phish.
Quote from: PIE-GUY on March 10, 2009, 10:32:06 AM
Quote from: Marmar on March 10, 2009, 10:16:50 AM
Seriously now...think about this.....Say some other huge band/group got back together after a long time away, and they played as (and I'm using the term loosely here) sloppy as these were (figuratively speeking compared to what we know they are capable of)......Ya, sure you're glad they're back and playing music, etc etc etc.....BUT.....
Here's what I think you are missing - The closest comparison I can think of for a "Big Band" to take several years off and then come back playing well without missing a single change or whatever would be Rush. They play complex music that is tight etc... but they also play the same set every night. They practice that set until it is memorized cold. They have never played 3 shows with no repeats in their entire career.
We're talking about basically a 7-set show if you add the encores... all of it was tight as hell. I am really not cutting them that much slack when I say the shows were freakin' stellar. I really think they were.
I dunno what flavor of nugs you been smokin.....but if THAT was stellar to your ears.....yikes.....
Oh?.....that's the only "big band" to take time off?.....Pink Floyd ring a bell?....k then.....Rolling Stones?.....umm.....ya....
And I think it is u who isn't lookin from my vantage point.....Think about how you'd feel goin to see Rush after 5 years and it was SLOPPY.....knowing damn well they have the ability (and the time) to do FAR better.....I don't care about the jams....anyone can jam....we know they can....what I'm interested in, is how well the composed parts will be.....THAT is what will show you if their heart is in it....IF their hearts are in it, they will want those parts to be PERFECT.....listen to the shit leading up to the breaks- hurry and rush thru the composed parts cuz they don't matter, so we can get to the jams and just hang out.....
Like I've stated, I'm not totally disappointed in what went down this weekend.....glad to hear Trey has his tone back, and also is awake the entire time actually playing (and TRYING to play)....kudos on the song selections, playing Phish instead of covers....kudos on taking those huge risks playin those complex songs, that's balls.......ya, I bet the atmosphere was awesome, as it always is at a show.....but once you strip all that away, what are you left with?
<rant>
the writer of this opinion reserves the right to hold reservations about them being "back" until such significant proof is presented to provide proof that this opinion is just like an asshole....everyone's got one, some are just tighter than others...once they've proven to me that they are playing to play again, then my thoughts will change....till then, I'm holding out reservations.....I, like many others, have already been burned twice by these guys and I'm not about to get burned a 3rd time </rant>
Quote from: Marmar on March 10, 2009, 02:24:20 PM
<rant> the writer of this opinion reserves the right to hold reservations about them being "back" until such significant proof is presented to provide proof that this opinion is just like an asshole....everyone's got one, some are just tighter than others...once they've proven to me that they are playing to play again, then my thoughts will change....till then, I'm holding out reservations.....I, like many others, have already been burned twice by these guys and I'm not about to get burned a 3rd time </rant>
When you have to post a disclaimer, you
know this shit's gettin' serious. :-o
Phish 3.0-
"SER Business"
lmao....that would make a GREAT lot shirt....
Phish 3.0
SER Bizness
Quote from: Mr Minor on March 08, 2009, 09:46:04 PM
I think we will need to give it some time before the monster jams reappear. Let :phish: get comfy again and things will grow out of these straight rocking versions. Just like the early nineties, what followed were many years of jams that continually got better and better.
This was my thought on it all during the weekend, whilst listening to shows.
They were smiling and laughing on stage.
That alone says something.
Hypercritical ears will find errors with any band.
Fuck it.
The music was good, not note perfect, but fun for everybody, including the band.
exactly Mr M....that's all I'm doing....am I being super critical on them?...maybe...but only out of history repeating itself......
I'm just not into putting forth the effort if [they] aren't either.....know what I mean?.....I want them to be "fucking back" more than anyone else on this board prolly......it's just like after you've caught yer g/f cheatin on ya for the 2nd time.....well, here we are....Post-Hiatus Phish v3.0....I love it, she just better not cheat on me again and work at making it work.....
Quote from: Marmar on March 10, 2009, 02:44:22 PM
exactly Mr M....that's all I'm doing....am I being super critical on them?...maybe...but only out of history repeating itself......
I'm just not into putting forth the effort if [they] aren't either.....know what I mean?.....I want them to be "fucking back" more than anyone else on this board prolly......it's just like after you've caught yer g/f cheatin on ya for the 2nd time.....well, here we are....Post-Hiatus Phish v3.0....I love it, she just better not cheat on me again and work at making it work.....
:lol:
well...tell me Phish isn't the biggest slut out there!
They are putting forth the effort. Relax and allow it to be revealed to you over the summer.
These shows had a lot that will need adjustment, including Trey nailing the 'Landlady' segment of 'PYITE'.
Kuroda missed a couple obvious cues.
The LP mix sucks differently than before (not enough Fish!)
etc.
But it's all almost new again. The fact that they came out and did what they did shows determination to do more than coast. If they wanted to coast, we'd have had a 25 minute ASIHTOS opener. But no. They re-learned 80+ songs and played them pretty damn well over the course of 3 nights. That's not the work of a group on cruise control.
true.....and only time will tell.....I'm just not about to sit around and listen to people say things like "that was tight" and all the other "hype" that we know we'll be hearing....
basically I'm just sayin that I'm not afraid to dole out a smackdown back to reality when I read some nonsense about stuff like that.....like I said, I'm prolly the one on here wanting them back more than ever, I'm just not prepared to hear things said that are nonsense.....like 4 dogs farting into trombones.....;)
I only got in Sunday. I did not enter expecting miracles. I left satisfied with what I saw and believing that if the commitment continues this band can erase 03/04 and drop jaws.
Its not gonna be 94/97/whatever your favorite year is. 93's not 98, and so on and so on. We cant go back to a certain year of our liking. Nothing was ever the same, anyway. We cringe at sameness.
Phish was always evolving (maybe devolving in some of y/our opinions) and will continue to do so. If the commitment is there, there is always potential to talk about Phish3.0 in the same breaths as 94/97. They are able to play as well if they are determined to do so. Will they play the same? I hope not.
:phish:
Quote from: birdman on March 10, 2009, 07:10:06 AM
Quote from: cactusfan on March 10, 2009, 02:48:09 AM
Quote from: susep73 on March 09, 2009, 09:04:40 PM
It was nice to hear the band execute Foam flawlessly, while driving I was thinking to myself, "holy s***, 2009 Foam!"
wait, foam? that was a disaster, wasn't it? trey was a mess on that one. or am i getting confused? guess i can listen again, but that stood out as one of the sloppiest, i thought.
Wrong.
Foam was on the $$$$.
If you consider it a disaster, you must hate phish :roll: :-P
or you MUST be confused.
hmm, strange. i just listened to foam again. trey screws up plenty in the beginning, and even when he's playing the right notes, it's all a bit forced. once they get to the jam, it gets good.
not that this really matters, there were any number of songs they played 'correctly' without really getting inside of them.
and many songs that kicked ass, like My Friend, which i just listened to and which fucking smokes.
it's kind of hilarious in this thread how even the most cautious mention of a song not being the best ever is jumped on as evidence of a PHISH HATER!
there seems to be a very simple and predictable divide-- those at the shows, and those listening at home. with the exception of marmar, i think it's safe to say that every one of we home listeners would have loved more than anything to have seen the shows and hung out with the rest of you. as ALL have said, the shows are filled with great promise and huge energy and joy, and allayed fears of another '04 disaster.
but being at the shows, the experience must have been far grander than just hearing the recordings. so come on, fellas-- you saw the shows! you're the luckiest of the lucky. just because the unlucky are noting that the shows weren't flawless works of genius doesn't diminish your experience. we'll still be forever envious, okay? promise.
Quote from: Marmar on March 10, 2009, 02:46:45 PM
well...tell me Phish isn't the biggest slut out there!
Phish isn't the biggest slut out there.
I just listened to the Foam and there were a couple sour notes in the beginning but other than it sounded pretty spot on to me, made for an enjoyable lunch break in mi coche.
I think the ability to listen critically is one of the coolest things about the Phish community, so I for one am glad to see that tradition continuing, regardless of what everyone's individual opinions may be.
Quote from: Hicks on March 10, 2009, 04:11:05 PM
I think the ability to listen critically is one of the coolest things about the Phish community, so I for one am glad to see that tradition continuing, regardless of what everyone's individual opinions may be.
qft
Quote from: guyforget on March 10, 2009, 03:13:30 PM
I only got in Sunday. I did not enter expecting miracles. I left satisfied with what I saw and believing that if the commitment continues this band can erase 03/04 and drop jaws.
Hey all,
I didn't get into any of the three, but having listened to the mp3s, I'm with rj and guyforget. Phish is back because - it seems to me - their commitment to "Phish" is back. Judged only on their own merits, I wouldn't describe any of the three shows as more than average. Maybe a bit below? But that's by Phish's own incredible standards. Honestly, I wasn't sure they'd pull it off as successfully as they did. It certainly beat my expectations.
Let them get back into musical shape before demanding more improv. I'm all for "jamming," but length is secondary to execution. No point in playing a song for half an hour just to say you did it.
Last - after spending some serious time with the Ball DVDs and having spent some time on Youtube...CK just went nuts this weekend, lighting songs like a
fan. That's cool, and I'm glad his timing was so sharp. I just kind of hope that it doesn't become a crutch for the band.
$.03
Quote from: rowjimmy on March 10, 2009, 02:51:39 PM
But it's all almost new again. The fact that they came out and did what they did shows determination to do more than coast. If they wanted to coast, we'd have had a 25 minute ASIHTOS opener. But no. They re-learned 80+ songs and played them pretty damn well over the course of 3 nights. That's not the work of a group on cruise control.
Quote from: AlumniGreens on March 10, 2009, 04:46:37 PM
I didn't get into any of the three, but having listened to the mp3s, I'm with rj and guyforget. Phish is back because - it seems to me - their commitment to "Phish" is back. Judged only on their own merits, I wouldn't describe any of the three shows as more than average. Maybe a bit below? But that's by Phish's own incredible standards. Honestly, I wasn't sure they'd pull it off as successfully as they did. It certainly beat my expectations.
QFT
welcome back, Alumni
:beers:
I still have only made it through nights 1 and 2. So far, here are some of my observations:
1) Some scripted passages are off. Chalk it up to 4.5 years off, though and not lack of effort. And I'm guessing they'll actually care about the fact that they were off and work to improve on it.
2) As someone else has stated (rj maybe) the fact that they "re-learned" 80 songs for a 3 night stand and played them pretty well overall is quite impressive. It shows a renewed dedication that we should all be excited about.
3) Page and Mike rocked the weekend. I felt Phish 2.0 too often became Trey-centered, especially with some of the TAB songs that they adopted. That was not the case at all this weekend. Whether it was by design or because Trey was the most rusty of everyone, I really enjoyed a bit of a change to the overall feel.
4) Jams were good, true improv was lacking. I don't think we should've expected differently.
Take this from a different viewpoint too, not just a band getting back together. I'm a lifetime runner, but with work and 2 kids now, I can only run 2 days a week max. Expecting v3.0 to be anywhere near 94 or 97 is as unreasonable as asking me to run a 10K as fast as I did in college. But with practice time and dedication, I could return to some semblance of that. I expect the same from :phish:. If they are as dedicated to making music together as they appear to be, it's just a matter of time til the jams and improv take off.
Quote from: christopherlee711 on March 10, 2009, 06:00:57 PM
Take this from a different viewpoint too, not just a band getting back together. I'm a lifetime runner, but with work and 2 kids now, I can only run 2 days a week max. Expecting v3.0 to be anywhere near 94 or 97 is as unreasonable as asking me to run a 10K as fast as I did in college. But with practice time and dedication, I could return to some semblance of that. I expect the same from :phish:. If they are as dedicated to making music together as they appear to be, it's just a matter of time til the jams and improv take off.
I used almost the same analogy in describing my take on the weekend. I used to cycle. A lot. But it's probably been about 5 years since I did it with any regularity. I've done a few things to try and stay in shape, but not consistently. If you gave me a road bike tomorrow and said, "Okay, AG, here you go. Now go out and do a century." Let's just say it wouldn't be pretty. I'd be ok for the first few miles, but I'd be just about ready for death by 100 (if it hadn't happened already).
Thanks slsbs. Good to be back. Don't know that I'll be posting as much as I used to. I definitely won't be doing anything as ambitious or stupid (or both) as holding a jam vehicle "tournament." :-) But this weekend + Ball DVDs were enough to make me forget about "being over" that Phish band.
If this was any other band - Stones, U2, E Street, doing a 3 show run after a long layoff, the songs wouldn't have been as intricate / technically challenging, and the setlists would have been at least 75% the same for all 3 nights.
but, :phish: aren't just any other band.
they seem committed, they have something to prove again.
looking forward to hearing them prove it
Quote from: slslbs on March 10, 2009, 10:39:25 AM
I've been enjoying what I have been hearing so far (through Mikes on Sat). By no means the best, but very good. It's a pretty big undertaking to play 3 3hr + shows and no repeats the first time out.
The other thing that came to mind is that there is a high energy level. I got the feeling that they feel like they have something to prove again - both to us and to themselves. As long as they have that attitude, things will progress.
I couldn't have said it better! I know a lot of you have seen the boys hundreds of times and know them inside and out, but cant you all just be glad they are all alive and can play!!!! Ive been DIEING to see :phish: and tell you the truth, I could care less if they flubbed the whole show. To see them together
again just is enough in its self. To be able to get that rush of the four of them just having fun is just unexplainable (and ive never seen it live!). Four years ago I and I bet a lot of you would KILL to be able to see/hear the 3 shows they just played. And of course they are not the perfect phish,
yet. Like Slslbs said ive got the feeling, well I know for a fact, they feel they have KNOW they have something to prove! It may take them a couple of shows, so be it. Ive waited this long, whats a few more shows.
or
look at it this way, start looking @ phish as a new band, never heard of them before, they just getting started. and then at the end of all these shows, well all be happier than we were in 90's :-D.
and if that still isnt enough for you then by all means have fun listening to fall '95s and 97's on your computer, while I dance my ass off to the best band to his this earth.
I mean did you guys/gals not see that KILLER LIGHT SHOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
listened to 3rd show again today w/ multiple listens to Undermind, Trey was ripping it up!
Hmmm well for me it's not enough that they are just back playing together again and I would add if that was all we were looking for then there wouldn't be anything from stopping Phish from becoming a nostalgia act like the Stones, Eagles or million other bands that go out on stage and play their greatest hit sets ad nauseum.
Of course I'm not saying that Phish is even in danger of becoming that at the present time, but if folks don't care how they play then that certainly encourages that sort of an atmosphere at their shows.
Quote from: Rich on March 10, 2009, 03:35:33 PM
Quote from: Marmar on March 10, 2009, 02:46:45 PM
well...tell me Phish isn't the biggest slut out there!
Phish isn't the biggest slut out there.
<<<<<<
insert inappropriate Mom joke here>>>>>>
Quote from: Mr Minor on March 10, 2009, 07:54:17 PM
Quote from: Rich on March 10, 2009, 03:35:33 PM
Quote from: Marmar on March 10, 2009, 02:46:45 PM
well...tell me Phish isn't the biggest slut out there!
Phish isn't the biggest slut out there.
<<<<<<insert inappropriate Mom joke here>>>>>>
Warren Haynes is?
Quote from: Hicks on March 10, 2009, 07:36:28 PM
Hmmm well for me it's not enough that they are just back playing together again and I would add if that was all we were looking for then there wouldn't be anything from stopping Phish from becoming a nostalgia act like the Stones, Eagles or million other bands that go out on stage and play their greatest hit sets ad nauseum.
I have to agree here. One of the reasons I fell in love with :phish:to begin with was the fact that their music is alive and unpredictable. If there is a time when they start repeating songs frequently in back-to-back shows, it'll be proof that their desire to create is gone. However, I feel the opposite was shown at Hampton, despite not being the tightest of shows.
DISCLAIMER: When I created this thread I had just gotten back from my 2nd Phish show ever and had likely had the most fun night of my entire life
On the other hand, it is easy to listen back on a show and be critical of every flub, and it is another thing to be at a show and feel the actual energy that was present at said show. My opinion of these shows upon listening back is different than it was when I was experiencing it, but I am going to defer to the actual feelings I received at the shows, and not how it sounds on my computer.....That being said, everyone is entitled to their opinion whether it they were there or not. Everyone likes different aspects Phish, and everyone has different expectations, be they based on tightness, sound, energy or whatever....I am decidedly uncritical, because it would hamper my enjoyment.....I'm just glad they are back, fucking back, or whatever you want to say.....
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on March 10, 2009, 08:43:53 PM
DISCLAIMER: When I created this thread I had just gotten back from my 2nd Phish show ever and had likely had the most fun night of my entire life
:-D
never apologize for enthusiasm :phish:
Quote from: caravan2001 on March 10, 2009, 08:44:42 PM
That being said, everyone is entitled to their opinion whether it they were there or not. Everyone likes different aspects Phish, and everyone has different expectations, be they based on tightness, sound, energy or whatever....I am decidedly uncritical, because it would hamper my enjoyment.....I'm just glad they are back, fucking back, or whatever you want to say.....
Precisely.
Quote from: blatboom on March 10, 2009, 08:45:58 PM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on March 10, 2009, 08:43:53 PM
DISCLAIMER: When I created this thread I had just gotten back from my 2nd Phish show ever and had likely had the most fun night of my entire life
:-D
never apologize for enthusiasm :phish:
:-D
haha, thanks
... listening to the Limb by Limb right now and it's making me pretty darn convinced they're back
It's about the music maaaaaan. :wink:
i dont think there's any doubt they are back... after reading this whole thread ;)
Quote from: jedifunk on March 10, 2009, 08:54:52 PM
i dont think there's any doubt they are back... after reading this whole thread ;)
You read this entire thread...LOL!
a
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on March 10, 2009, 08:43:53 PM
DISCLAIMER: When I created this thread I had just gotten back from my 2nd Phish show ever and had likely had the most fun night of my entire life
im sure ill make another thread just like it when I get to check them out @ alpine, unless I can get a quickly for burgetstown.
and all of you get your, face melting, head exploding, pants shiting, pants all creamy - pictures ready, because its going to happen :lol:!
I know for sure they are going to take teh face of my head.
Quote from: G. Augusto on March 10, 2009, 08:59:40 PM
Quote from: jedifunk on March 10, 2009, 08:54:52 PM
i dont think there's any doubt they are back... after reading this whole thread ;)
You read this entire thread...LOL!
a
ser. i open this thread as i come back to the paug for the first time in a week... i tried reading up to page 5 then i realized that everyone that Didnt go to the show is trying to ruin my incredible buzz.
HA! you cant BRING ME DOWN!@! HAHA!!! :samurai:
My assessment as an armchair listener:
1. Its great that we are actually engaged in a conversation about current Phish concerts, no matter what our opinions are.
2. The Haley's>BOABH blew me out of the water, as did the Undermind, the GBOTT, the Farmhouse, the Suzy, the Piper >Birds transition (o.k. it wasn't that smooth, but I found it original), the Tube, DWD, and the Twist>2001>Moma.
3. BDTNL, It's Ice, Guelah, Foam, Gin, She Still Thinks I Care, Seven Below, Coil, Slave through the end of Encore, are all honorable mentions.
4. I hear flubs in some songs but they don't really distract from my listening experience; I can tell they are playing from the heart and that is 95% of what matters to me.
5. I've never seen such a fuzzy feeling come over this place; its nice to see just what a great thing we have here in the best of times.
Quote from: nab on March 10, 2009, 11:21:00 PM
My assessment as an armchair listener:
1. Its great that we are actually engaged in a conversation about current Phish concerts, no matter what our opinions are.
2. The Haley's>BOABH blew me out of the water, as did the Undermind, the GBOTT, the Farmhouse, the Suzy, the Piper >Birds transition (o.k. it wasn't that smooth, but I found it original), the Tube, DWD, and the Twist>2001>Moma.
3. BDTNL, It's Ice, Guelah, Foam, Gin, She Still Thinks I Care, Seven Below, Coil, Slave through the end of Encore, are all honorable mentions.
4. I hear flubs in some songs but they don't really distract from my listening experience; I can tell they are playing from the heart and that is 95% of what matters to me.
5. I've never seen such a fuzzy feeling come over this place; its nice to see just what a great thing we have here in the best of times.
QFT
that Haley's>BOABH was absolutely rockin!
wasn't a huge fan of that song as a Page tune, but Phish made it work pretty well, I was first disappointed when they dropped into it straight from haleys, but was pleasantly surprised by the end.
Quote from: nab on March 10, 2009, 11:21:00 PM
My assessment as an armchair listener:
1. Its great that we are actually engaged in a conversation about current Phish concerts, no matter what our opinions are.
2. The Haley's>BOABH blew me out of the water, as did the Undermind, the GBOTT, the Farmhouse, the Suzy, the Piper >Birds transition (o.k. it wasn't that smooth, but I found it original), the Tube, DWD, and the Twist>2001>Moma.
3. BDTNL, It's Ice, Guelah, Foam, Gin, She Still Thinks I Care, Seven Below, Coil, Slave through the end of Encore, are all honorable mentions.
4. I hear flubs in some songs but they don't really distract from my listening experience; I can tell they are playing from the heart and that is 95% of what matters to me.
5. I've never seen such a fuzzy feeling come over this place; its nice to see just what a great thing we have here in the best of times.
:clap:
Well said. +k
i can say... i can't wait until the Tennessee show! i am so fackin excited! CAN NOT WAIT TO COMPARE SET LISTS!
Going to just through this out there...
Only 86 days till' summer tour! :-D :phish:
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on March 10, 2009, 11:44:52 PM
Going to just through this out there...
Only 86 days till' summer tour! :-D :phish:
FUCKING AWESOME!!!!
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on March 10, 2009, 11:38:14 PM
wasn't a huge fan of that song as a Page tune, but Phish made it work pretty well, I was first disappointed when they dropped into it straight from haleys, but was pleasantly surprised by the end.
I wouldn't mind hearing what Phish could do with "Heavy Rotation." BOABH wasn't bad at all, though.
ahhhhhh........
I love how you can hear someone cracking up when they start Fluffhead :lol:
I will never forget that moment for the rest of my life, I was so damn close and the smile on the 4 of there faces was a mile wide :-)
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on March 11, 2009, 12:24:39 AM
ahhhhhh........
I love how you can hear someone cracking up when they start Fluffhead :lol:
I will never forget that moment for the rest of my life, I was so damn close and the smile on the 4 of there faces was a mile wide :-)
HA HA!!! That was cool as f**k! Good find, bro. Isn't it cool that you'll never forget that moment? I had a similar experience during my first gig. They played Fee and then segued into Maze. That Maze absolutely ripped my head wide open and I will never forget "that moment".
Good times, brah! +k :mrgreen:
Quote from: Rich on March 10, 2009, 11:39:13 PM
Quote from: nab on March 10, 2009, 11:21:00 PM
My assessment as an armchair listener:
1. Its great that we are actually engaged in a conversation about current Phish concerts, no matter what our opinions are.
2. The Haley's>BOABH blew me out of the water, as did the Undermind, the GBOTT, the Farmhouse, the Suzy, the Piper >Birds transition (o.k. it wasn't that smooth, but I found it original), the Tube, DWD, and the Twist>2001>Moma.
3. BDTNL, It's Ice, Guelah, Foam, Gin, She Still Thinks I Care, Seven Below, Coil, Slave through the end of Encore, are all honorable mentions.
4. I hear flubs in some songs but they don't really distract from my listening experience; I can tell they are playing from the heart and that is 95% of what matters to me.
5. I've never seen such a fuzzy feeling come over this place; its nice to see just what a great thing we have here in the best of times.
:clap:
Well said. +k
I second that. +k
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on March 11, 2009, 12:24:39 AM
ahhhhhh........
I love how you can hear someone cracking up when they start Fluffhead :lol:
I will never forget that moment for the rest of my life, I was so damn close and the smile on the 4 of there faces was a mile wide :-)
Awesome!
Man that was fun.
+K
Quote from: AlumniGreens on March 11, 2009, 12:18:14 AM
I wouldn't mind hearing what Phish could do with "Heavy Rotation."
YES!
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on March 11, 2009, 12:24:39 AM
ahhhhhh........
I love how you can hear someone cracking up when they start Fluffhead :lol:
I will never forget that moment for the rest of my life, I was so damn close and the smile on the 4 of there faces was a mile wide :-)
That's freakin' incredible, wow you guys are lucky to have been there.
:phish: :clap: :phish:
one thought this morning... PAGE WAS ON FIRE!
just my opinion.
Quote from: VA slim on March 11, 2009, 10:47:11 AM
one thought this morning... PAGE WAS ON FIRE!
just my opinion.
x2
I must concur with this statement.
Quote from: VA slim on March 11, 2009, 10:47:11 AM
one thought this morning... PAGE WAS ON FIRE!
just my opinion.
true dat, Page wins MVP for the run.
Quote from: VA slim on March 11, 2009, 10:47:11 AM
one thought this morning... PAGE WAS ON FIRE!
just my opinion a fact.
fyp :-D This fact stands out the more I listen to these shows. Since when did Page own practically every jam. I love it.
Quote from: VA slim on March 11, 2009, 10:47:11 AM
one thought this morning... PAGE WAS ON FIRE!
just my opinion.
Not just
your opinion. Leo takes the cake.
Quote from: Rich on March 11, 2009, 11:48:46 AM
Quote from: VA slim on March 11, 2009, 10:47:11 AM
one thought this morning... PAGE WAS ON FIRE!
just my opinion.
Not just your opinion. Leo takes the cake.
The Chairman was ON :banana: :banana:
IMO, the fact that page was obviously killin it, had a lot to do with trey's interaction with him.
i hadnt heard page so into it in the last decade. i believe that with trey out of his "bubble" the interplay was more 'there' with the entire band and especially page, than it had been since maybe 97/ early 98.
i also thought trey layed back in the pocket more than he had in ages if not ever, which i liked, as well as his refraining from loops and effects which was awesome.
contrary to what some people are saying, i think that they were in fact laying down a foundation for an entirely new "sound". i heard many new approaches and takes on certain sections and jams, and personally i'm very hopeful and excited about what they were doing musically.
Quote from: VA slim on March 11, 2009, 09:48:46 PM
IMO, the fact that page was obviously killin it, had a lot to do with trey's interaction with him.
i hadnt heard page so into it in the last decade. i believe that with trey out of his "bubble" the interplay was more 'there' with the entire band and especially page, than it had been since maybe 97/ early 98.
i also thought trey layed back in the pocket more than he had in ages if not ever, which i liked, as well as his refraining from loops and effects which was awesome.
contrary to what some people are saying, i think that they were in fact laying down a foundation for an entirely new "sound". i heard many new approaches and takes on certain sections and jams, and personally i'm very hopeful and excited about what they were doing musically.
:clap:
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i'm certainly not a hater,
take it for what its worth... especially coming from someone who wasn't there.
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Jealousy is a stinky cologne
Quote from: Rich on March 11, 2009, 01:42:20 AM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on March 11, 2009, 12:24:39 AM
ahhhhhh........
I love how you can hear someone cracking up when they start Fluffhead :lol:
I will never forget that moment for the rest of my life, I was so damn close and the smile on the 4 of there faces was a mile wide :-)
HA HA!!! That was cool as f**k! Good find, bro. Isn't it cool that you'll never forget that moment? I had a similar experience during my first gig. They played Fee and then segued into Maze. That Maze absolutely ripped my head wide open and I will never forget "that moment".
Good times, brah! +k :mrgreen:
To me the moments are what its all about :-D, the good playing just comes as a bonus :-)
Quote from: VA slim on March 11, 2009, 09:48:46 PM
i also thought trey layed back in the pocket more than he had in ages if not ever, which i liked, as well as his refraining from loops and effects which was awesome.
contrary to what some people are saying, i think that they were in fact laying down a foundation for an entirely new "sound". i heard many new approaches and takes on certain sections and jams, and personally i'm very hopeful and excited about what they were doing musically.
Twist came up earlier, and it's probably an example of what you're saying. Compare the start of the Twist jam last weekend (around 2:50) to the Fall '97 LJVMC show (11/23). Everyone's got that one, right? Skip to the start of the jam during that Twist (around 3:45). Last weekend, Trey not only opened space for Mike and Page to fill, he practically forced them to do it. Completely different than 11/23.97.
And it wasn't just that 11/23 was a guitar hero night for Trey. Listen to [picks a random date] 7.10.00. Trey's playing with effects before the last vocal line is over.
Mind you, I'm not exactly criticizing Fall 97 or that Deer Creek Show. I didn't fall on my head since the last time I hung around here :) Just tryin' to point out an example of what slim's describing.
I mentioned something similar a few pages back. I really enjoyed hearing Mike and Page rock the weekend. I've even had to strain some to figure out what Trey's playing sometimes as I've listened to the shows the last few days. That's definitely never been the case before.
honestly though... I am so sick and tired of Ghost being played with distortion during the song proper. Ugh. How fucking PH.
I don't get why Trey just can't turn that shit off. There are some songs that just SHOULDN'T have overdrive... like Ghost, Mike's, YEM, Hood, Piper (intro), Fluffhead. I really want to know what the hell Trey's reasoning behind all that is... like, I can deal with no loops in Ghost (even though thats lame) but when you play it with the tone needed for Chalkdust... no.
sorry, this is harsh... but I just listened to 12/31/98, and Ghost and Mike's are infinitely better when played with a clean tone.
Those older versions of Ghost are definitely better. Hopefully Trey will tone it down for you. Maybe you should write him a letter. :wink:
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i also thought trey layed back in the pocket more than he had in ages if not ever, which i liked, as well as his refraining from loops and effects which was awesome.
me as well although I think a little bit of wha-wha wouldn't have hurt.
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contrary to what some people are saying, i think that they were in fact laying down a foundation for an entirely new "sound". i heard many new approaches and takes on certain sections and jams, and personally i'm very hopeful and excited about what they were doing musically.
indeed, nice perspective.
Quote from: Rich on March 12, 2009, 01:27:36 AM
Those older versions of Ghost are definitely better. Hopefully Trey will tone it down for you. Maybe you should write him a letter. :wink:
You could start a petition. :evil: :-P
Quote from: Rich on March 12, 2009, 01:27:36 AM
Maybe you should write him a letter. :wink:
but then where would Trey post TLDR?
Quote from: jedifunk on March 11, 2009, 09:56:11 PM
Quote from: VA slim on March 11, 2009, 09:48:46 PM
IMO, the fact that page was obviously killin it, had a lot to do with trey's interaction with him.
i hadnt heard page so into it in the last decade. i believe that with trey out of his "bubble" the interplay was more 'there' with the entire band and especially page, than it had been since maybe 97/ early 98.
i also thought trey layed back in the pocket more than he had in ages if not ever, which i liked, as well as his refraining from loops and effects which was awesome.
contrary to what some people are saying, i think that they were in fact laying down a foundation for an entirely new "sound". i heard many new approaches and takes on certain sections and jams, and personally i'm very hopeful and excited about what they were doing musically.
:clap:
:clap: :phish: I agree with this sentiment from listening to the auds, I find they stripped down alot of the playing and focused on getting the chord progressions correct. That different arrangement of Undermind was pretty cool as well. I feel these shows are definitely a step in the right direction.
Quote from: Rich on March 12, 2009, 01:27:36 AM
Those older versions of Ghost are definitely better. Hopefully Trey will tone it down for you. Maybe you should write him a letter. :wink:
Hey, it worked for "People for a Louder Mike" back in the (pre-Modulus) day...
Quote from: VA slim on March 11, 2009, 09:48:46 PM
IMO, the fact that page was obviously killin it, had a lot to do with trey's interaction with him.
i hadnt heard page so into it in the last decade. i believe that with trey out of his "bubble" the interplay was more 'there' with the entire band and especially page, than it had been since maybe 97/ early 98.
i also thought trey layed back in the pocket more than he had in ages if not ever, which i liked, as well as his refraining from loops and effects which was awesome.
contrary to what some people are saying, i think that they were in fact laying down a foundation for an entirely new "sound". i heard many new approaches and takes on certain sections and jams, and personally i'm very hopeful and excited about what they were doing musically.
:clap:
That's my boy, right there.
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on March 12, 2009, 01:05:01 AM
honestly though... I am so sick and tired of Ghost being played with distortion during the song proper. Ugh. How fucking PH.
I don't get why Trey just can't turn that shit off. There are some songs that just SHOULDN'T have overdrive... like Ghost, Mike's, YEM, Hood, Piper (intro), Fluffhead. I really want to know what the hell Trey's reasoning behind all that is... like, I can deal with no loops in Ghost (even though thats lame) but when you play it with the tone needed for Chalkdust... no.
sorry, this is harsh... but I just listened to 12/31/98, and Ghost and Mike's are infinitely better when played with a clean tone.
Quote from: Rich on March 12, 2009, 01:27:36 AM
Those older versions of Ghost are definitely better. Hopefully Trey will tone it down for you. Maybe you should write him a letter. :wink:
You absolutely should write him a letter, Gumbo. Not a petition or even a group appeal or whatever. Just a personal letter that politely explains your request and the reasoning behind it.
Don't ask, Don't get.
Quote from: AlumniGreens on March 12, 2009, 11:11:06 AM
Quote from: Rich on March 12, 2009, 01:27:36 AM
Those older versions of Ghost are definitely better. Hopefully Trey will tone it down for you. Maybe you should write him a letter. :wink:
Hey, it worked for "People for a Louder Mike" back in the (pre-Modulus) day...
Damn good point. :beers:
i'm still lost as to what TLDR means....
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on March 12, 2009, 03:07:44 PM
i'm still lost as to what TLDR means....
Too
Long,
Didn't
Read
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on March 12, 2009, 03:07:44 PM
i'm still lost as to what TLDR means....
T= Too
L= Long
D= Didn't
R= Read
edit: rj beat me to it.
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on March 12, 2009, 03:07:44 PM
i'm still lost as to what TLDR means....
just know it's your middle name around these parts, and what the hell dude? We didn't get to meet up this weekend. That's weak sauce.
Quote from: Sophist on March 12, 2009, 03:13:27 PM
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on March 12, 2009, 03:07:44 PM
i'm still lost as to what TLDR means....
just know it's your middle name around these parts, and what the hell dude? We didn't get to meet up this weekend. That's weak sauce.
Only because you didn't come rock the 'paug section, "mr. I'm with my girlfriend"
Oh, snap!
Quote from: rowjimmy on March 12, 2009, 03:18:38 PM
Quote from: Sophist on March 12, 2009, 03:13:27 PM
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on March 12, 2009, 03:07:44 PM
i'm still lost as to what TLDR means....
just know it's your middle name around these parts, and what the hell dude? We didn't get to meet up this weekend. That's weak sauce.
Only because you didn't come rock the 'paug section, "mr. I'm with my girlfriend"
I should have been with y'all.
Quote from: Sophist on March 12, 2009, 03:26:40 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on March 12, 2009, 03:18:38 PM
Quote from: Sophist on March 12, 2009, 03:13:27 PM
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on March 12, 2009, 03:07:44 PM
i'm still lost as to what TLDR means....
just know it's your middle name around these parts, and what the hell dude? We didn't get to meet up this weekend. That's weak sauce.
Only because you didn't come rock the 'paug section, "mr. I'm with my girlfriend"
I should have been with y'all.
You guys woulda had a great time. We rawk'd.
Quote from: rowjimmy on March 12, 2009, 03:27:09 PM
Quote from: Sophist on March 12, 2009, 03:26:40 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on March 12, 2009, 03:18:38 PM
Quote from: Sophist on March 12, 2009, 03:13:27 PM
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on March 12, 2009, 03:07:44 PM
i'm still lost as to what TLDR means....
just know it's your middle name around these parts, and what the hell dude? We didn't get to meet up this weekend. That's weak sauce.
Only because you didn't come rock the 'paug section, "mr. I'm with my girlfriend"
I should have been with y'all.
You guys woulda had a great time. We rawk'd.
No doubt. Next time, I will be in the paug section, rocking it out with y'all.
Quote from: Sophist on March 12, 2009, 03:29:43 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on March 12, 2009, 03:27:09 PM
Quote from: Sophist on March 12, 2009, 03:26:40 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on March 12, 2009, 03:18:38 PM
Quote from: Sophist on March 12, 2009, 03:13:27 PM
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on March 12, 2009, 03:07:44 PM
i'm still lost as to what TLDR means....
just know it's your middle name around these parts, and what the hell dude? We didn't get to meet up this weekend. That's weak sauce.
Only because you didn't come rock the 'paug section, "mr. I'm with my girlfriend"
I should have been with y'all.
You guys woulda had a great time. We rawk'd.
No doubt. Next time, I will be in the paug section, rocking it out with y'all.
by 2nd set 3rd night, "Section Week4paug" was straight up killing it just as hard (if not harder) than any other crew up in that alien transporter.
hmmm, let's see off the top. . . (remind me if i'm forgetting anyone)
-redrum
-mbird
-birdman
-antelope
-alcohol&coffeebeans
-antelope19
-aug
+1 (aug's bro)
-rowjimmy
-igbo
-PIE-GUY
with special guest appearances by:
-tet
-Whatstheuse?
-McGrupp
-whyweigh (almost...he was pointed out)
so ya, that's how we do.
and i'm pretty much expecting summer meetups and "in-show gatherings" to top this list.
really looking forward to June!!!
:beers:
:phish:
I'd like to meet some 'paug peeps in Mansfield. :beers:
Quote from: susep73 on March 12, 2009, 08:13:10 PM
I'd like to meet some 'paug peeps in Mansfield. :beers:
It'll happen.
apologies up front for not reading the entire thread...and I'm in the "I may be more critical because I wasn't there" camp, but Page's new toy has got to go. I cringe everytime I hear it. Still very excited for summer, but my refreshing-this-site-to-see-RJ's-setlist-updates giddyness has faded after listening to the shows. Some good points...some bad points...but it all works out.
I wish I was hitting summer shows :|...Have to wait for westcoast, unless I fly to the Alpine Saturday show....that might happen...I would do the Fox, but I cant take more vacay....
I really hope they announce those West coast shows before this tour starts..
I actually really liked Page's new synths....... especially during suzy & Twist
Quote from: blatboom on March 12, 2009, 08:54:15 PM
I really hope they announce those West coast shows before this tour starts..
I would sure think/hope so as well.
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on March 11, 2009, 12:24:39 AM
ahhhhhh........
I love how you can hear someone cracking up when they start Fluffhead :lol:
I will never forget that moment for the rest of my life, I was so damn close and the smile on the 4 of there faces was a mile wide :-)
OK, just to add to my last statement of giddyness fading...I just saw that and had a huge giddy smile while pumping my fist and my eyes teared up a bit...so, what can I say...I can't wait for Great Woods.
8-) ok that slave was beautiful 8-)
Quote from: edemille on March 12, 2009, 08:51:43 PM
apologies up front for not reading the entire thread...and I'm in the "I may be more critical because I wasn't there" camp, but Page's new toy has got to go. I cringe everytime I hear it. Still very excited for summer, but my refreshing-this-site-to-see-RJ's-setlist-updates giddyness has faded after listening to the shows. Some good points...some bad points...but it all works out.
So I take it you won't like my avatar either. Well, too bad. :-P
well... i think it looks cool, and its funny....
but if it impedes his playing, then he give it to Fish to play.
Listened to Sunday for the 2nd time today and I think I liked it even better this time around!
the Bathtub and DWD are both fantastic!
the ending to DWD could have gotten better... Fish began kicking into an up-tempo ride cymbol beat, and you NEVER impede a Fish ride groove.
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on March 13, 2009, 12:49:55 AM
the ending to DWD could have gotten better... Fish began kicking into an up-tempo ride cymbol beat, and you NEVER impede a Fish ride groove.
yah, the last 3 min were pretty lame indeed, they should have stopped before that last part
well no, i'm saying they should have kept going, because it was started. I thought it was going to get cool.
but i agree... it would have been more natural for them to have stopped like 3 or 4 minutes before. i immediately knew what you guys were talking about when I listened to it for the first time lol
Almost 5 years guys. Just remember that. For not having played those songs that long I'll take it... warts and all. And my optimistic mind tells me they're only going to get better at it. Think about how many songs they played in those 3 days. They're hungry to get back and rock out. Just like we're hungry to hear them nail that shit down.
Let's have a little faith. 8-)
Well I guess it would be nice.....
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on March 13, 2009, 12:54:24 AM
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on March 13, 2009, 12:49:55 AM
the ending to DWD could have gotten better... Fish began kicking into an up-tempo ride cymbol beat, and you NEVER impede a Fish ride groove.
yah, the last 3 min were pretty lame indeed, they should have stopped before that last part
quit smokin crack guys....the final 3 minutes of DWD are the heat....go back and RE LISTEN.....key word, LISTEN.....then go back to summer 2004 and listen to the hot ailen type jams from SPAC.....notice any resemblence?
I thought the spacey end part of DWD ruled.....It made me feel like a robot....
Quote from: caravan2001 on March 14, 2009, 11:47:55 AM
I thought the spacey end part of DWD ruled.....It made me feel like a robot....
^^^^^^^^^^^^^ :-D
Each time I listen to this DWD, it gets better and better.
Quote from: caravan2001 on March 14, 2009, 11:47:55 AM
I thought the spacey end part of DWD ruled.....It made me feel like a robot....
:-D That's good shit.
not sure where to post this but does anyone know of any information on the light rigs CK used @ Hampton? I've never seen anything like the display he put on.
Quote from: blatboom on March 14, 2009, 06:22:15 PM
not sure where to post this but does anyone know of any information on the light rigs CK used @ Hampton? I've never seen anything like the display he put on.
no info, but I can definitely agree that I have NEVER seen anything like the display he put on!
Quote from: blatboom on March 14, 2009, 06:22:15 PM
not sure where to post this but does anyone know of any information on the light rigs CK used @ Hampton? I've never seen anything like the display he put on.
Heard the same thing from my friends that went... Wish I could've been there cause summer will be all outside...
Quote from: Poster Nutbag on March 14, 2009, 10:35:12 PM
Quote from: blatboom on March 14, 2009, 06:22:15 PM
not sure where to post this but does anyone know of any information on the light rigs CK used @ Hampton? I've never seen anything like the display he put on.
Heard the same thing from my friends that went... Wish I could've been there cause summer will be all outside...
not Knoxville, Asheville or St. Louis :wink:
new Rolling Stone Phish article:
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/3939/rspage1.jpg
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/7018/rspage2.jpg
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/6708/rspage3.jpg
Quote from: blatboom on March 18, 2009, 11:24:17 AM
new Rolling Stone Phish article:
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/3939/rspage1.jpg
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/7018/rspage2.jpg
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/6708/rspage3.jpg
Nice!
Quote from: Hicks on March 18, 2009, 11:24:46 AM
Quote from: blatboom on March 18, 2009, 11:24:17 AM
new Rolling Stone Phish article:
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/3939/rspage1.jpg
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/7018/rspage2.jpg
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/6708/rspage3.jpg
Nice!
some awesome quotes in there.
Quote from: blatboom on March 18, 2009, 11:24:17 AM
new Rolling Stone Phish article:
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/3939/rspage1.jpg
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/7018/rspage2.jpg
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/6708/rspage3.jpg
Thanks BLAT.
awesome. thanks for sharing.
Sweet article, but yet another reminder to me that Phish 3.0 is still a "delicate" entity.
Quote from: blatboom on March 18, 2009, 11:26:01 AM
Quote from: Hicks on March 18, 2009, 11:24:46 AM
Quote from: blatboom on March 18, 2009, 11:24:17 AM
new Rolling Stone Phish article:
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/3939/rspage1.jpg
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/7018/rspage2.jpg
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/6708/rspage3.jpg
Nice!
some awesome quotes in there.
cool article.
Thanks for sharing. I was waiting for this article to come out, as I was standing about 10 feet way from David Fricke the first two nights. It was a little distracting, because every song I kept looking over and checking him out to see if he was digging it. It seemed like he was really enjoying it for the most part, bobbing his head pretty consistently....
Quote from: blatboom on March 18, 2009, 11:24:17 AM
new Rolling Stone Phish article:
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/3939/rspage1.jpg
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/7018/rspage2.jpg
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/6708/rspage3.jpg
awesome, thanks blat...if I could give more than 1 +k in 24 hours, i would :-P
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on March 18, 2009, 03:48:18 PM
Quote from: blatboom on March 18, 2009, 11:24:17 AM
new Rolling Stone Phish article:
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/3939/rspage1.jpg
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/7018/rspage2.jpg
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/6708/rspage3.jpg
awesome, thanks blat...if I could give more than 1 +k in 24 hours, i would :-P
:-D
don't even sweat it. here's one back.
there really are some great quotes in there!
The last paragraph actually got me pretty excited for some new tunes, and new album. Lets hope these new songs force us to get our dancing shows on and boogey down!
I just wanna hear Fish's "Party Time"
Quote from: guyforget on March 18, 2009, 04:02:36 PM
I just wanna hear Fish's "Party Time"
that makes 2 of us :-)
Quote from: jedifunk on March 08, 2009, 11:04:47 AM
phish ain't back if they can't jam...
Phish 3.0: Bringing the song back to the Jam community.
:wink:
Quote from: antelope19 on March 18, 2009, 10:57:04 PM
Quote from: jedifunk on March 08, 2009, 11:04:47 AM
phish ain't back if they can't jam...
Phish 3.0: Bringing the song back to the Jam community.
:wink:
I like that slogan!
I was thinking the other day...
how about a 16-song first set followed by a 5-song second set? or vice versa.
Quote from: blatboom on March 18, 2009, 10:58:57 PM
Quote from: antelope19 on March 18, 2009, 10:57:04 PM
Quote from: jedifunk on March 08, 2009, 11:04:47 AM
phish ain't back if they can't jam...
Phish 3.0: Bringing the song back to the Jam community.
:wink:
I like that slogan!
I was thinking the other day...
how about a 16-song first set followed by a 5-song second set? or vice versa.
I'm actually very anti-5-song sets at this point.
I noticed while listening to the Darien Lake '00 Suzie that there are about ten minutes of wank for 5 minutes of rocktastic sweetness... and that I feel that way about many post '98 jams. I think that Phish needs to relearn how to make their songs powerful again as opposed to focusing on long extended improv.
From the 3 hampton shows, none of my highlights were the extended improvs... Even though I think that up until minute 14 of the DWD, the jam is sweet as hell, and then bores out...
Quote from: blatboom on March 18, 2009, 11:24:17 AM
new Rolling Stone Phish article:
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/3939/rspage1.jpg
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/7018/rspage2.jpg
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/6708/rspage3.jpg
Thanks blat. Just got around to reading that and really like it. +k :-)
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on March 18, 2009, 11:02:05 PM
Quote from: blatboom on March 18, 2009, 10:58:57 PM
Quote from: antelope19 on March 18, 2009, 10:57:04 PM
Quote from: jedifunk on March 08, 2009, 11:04:47 AM
phish ain't back if they can't jam...
Phish 3.0: Bringing the song back to the Jam community.
:wink:
I like that slogan!
I was thinking the other day...
how about a 16-song first set followed by a 5-song second set? or vice versa.
I'm actually very anti-5-song sets at this point.
I noticed while listening to the Darien Lake '00 Suzie that there are about ten minutes of wank for 5 minutes of rocktastic sweetness... and that I feel that way about many post '98 jams. I think that Phish needs to relearn how to make their songs powerful again as opposed to focusing on long extended improv.
From the 3 hampton shows, none of my highlights were the extended improvs... Even though I think that up until minute 14 of the DWD, the jam is sweet as hell, and then bores out...
Haven't listened to the Suzy, but sometimes I think you have to take the wank to get to the rocktastic. If it is truly improv and they are charting new territory in the moment, It might take awhile to bring the heat. All part of the journey for me. Some jams make sense right out the gate while others meander and pick up steam, go backwards, do about everything in between before hitting the point of bliss. That's what I'm chasing.
Re-read your post fauxpa, think I missed your point the first go round. I see what you are saying in regards to Hampton and the band getting their bearing's back.
Quote from: Rich on March 18, 2009, 11:21:47 PM
Quote from: blatboom on March 18, 2009, 11:24:17 AM
new Rolling Stone Phish article:
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/3939/rspage1.jpg
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/7018/rspage2.jpg
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/6708/rspage3.jpg
Thanks blat. Just got around to reading that and really like it. +k :-)
Thanks blat. +k
Good article.
Quote from: noodle on March 18, 2009, 11:26:48 PM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on March 18, 2009, 11:02:05 PM
Quote from: blatboom on March 18, 2009, 10:58:57 PM
Quote from: antelope19 on March 18, 2009, 10:57:04 PM
Quote from: jedifunk on March 08, 2009, 11:04:47 AM
phish ain't back if they can't jam...
Phish 3.0: Bringing the song back to the Jam community.
:wink:
I like that slogan!
I was thinking the other day...
how about a 16-song first set followed by a 5-song second set? or vice versa.
I'm actually very anti-5-song sets at this point.
I noticed while listening to the Darien Lake '00 Suzie that there are about ten minutes of wank for 5 minutes of rocktastic sweetness... and that I feel that way about many post '98 jams. I think that Phish needs to relearn how to make their songs powerful again as opposed to focusing on long extended improv.
From the 3 hampton shows, none of my highlights were the extended improvs... Even though I think that up until minute 14 of the DWD, the jam is sweet as hell, and then bores out...
Haven't listened to the Suzy, but sometimes I think you have to take the wank to get to the rocktastic. If it is truly improv and they are charting new territory in the moment, It might take awhile to bring the heat. All part of the journey for me. Some jams make sense right out the gate while others meander and pick up steam, go backwards, do about everything in between before hitting the point of bliss. That's what I'm chasing.
I think in the IT DVD Page says basically the same thing, that even mid-jam they just have to keep working at it and then they finally arrive at something new and beautiful. I'll take those moments, but I imagine we'll need to wait for them to start gelling again for those moments to happen. I'm quite happy w/ the rocking out they did at Hampton. Not perfect, but heart-felt and energetic.
Quote from: hoodie22 on March 18, 2009, 11:50:28 PM
Quote from: Rich on March 18, 2009, 11:21:47 PM
Quote from: blatboom on March 18, 2009, 11:24:17 AM
new Rolling Stone Phish article:
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/3939/rspage1.jpg
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/7018/rspage2.jpg
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/6708/rspage3.jpg
Thanks blat. Just got around to reading that and really like it. +k :-)
Thanks blat. +k
Good article.
Thank you very much k+
Quote from: nab on March 19, 2009, 12:01:57 AM
Quote from: hoodie22 on March 18, 2009, 11:50:28 PM
Quote from: Rich on March 18, 2009, 11:21:47 PM
Quote from: blatboom on March 18, 2009, 11:24:17 AM
new Rolling Stone Phish article:
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/3939/rspage1.jpg
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/7018/rspage2.jpg
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/6708/rspage3.jpg
Thanks blat. Just got around to reading that and really like it. +k :-)
Thanks blat. +k
Good article.
Thank you very much k+
Awesome reading. Is it just me or do they all feel very open in discussing Trey's issues now? I always felt like before it was this hidden, hush hush thing, nobody wanted to talk about, and it was all speculation, and now, Trey is open about it, so they feel free to be as well. In any case, I appreciate the insight and honesty from everyone.
I just wonder how deep they will get into those issues in the upcoming bio....
Too bad Rolling Stone didnt catch my tramp jump from the top of the building. o well :|
Quote from: caravan2001 on March 19, 2009, 04:30:29 PM
I just wonder how deep they will get into those issues in the upcoming bio....
indeedy...that should be an interesting read
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on March 18, 2009, 11:02:05 PM
Quote from: blatboom on March 18, 2009, 10:58:57 PM
Quote from: antelope19 on March 18, 2009, 10:57:04 PM
Quote from: jedifunk on March 08, 2009, 11:04:47 AM
phish ain't back if they can't jam...
Phish 3.0: Bringing the song back to the Jam community.
:wink:
I like that slogan!
I was thinking the other day...
how about a 16-song first set followed by a 5-song second set? or vice versa.
I'm actually very anti-5-song sets at this point.
I noticed while listening to the Darien Lake '00 Suzie that there are about ten minutes of wank for 5 minutes of rocktastic sweetness... and that I feel that way about many post '98 jams. I think that Phish needs to relearn how to make their songs powerful again as opposed to focusing on long extended improv.
From the 3 hampton shows, none of my highlights were the extended improvs... Even though I think that up until minute 14 of the DWD, the jam is sweet as hell, and then bores out...
basically this is what i've been saying they were doing at hampton. Additionally, i believe they want to relearn/ rebuild the way they approach the improvisations. any time you get a musician in a group doped out they tend to encapsulate themselves and play independently. i think that from 99 on that the group stopped listening equally to one another , and moreso everyone just reacted to trey's lead. the same thing happened with jerry and the dead.
so IMO, it is important that they start from scratch as far as how they build jams and what controls them.
personally i heard a genesis of this at hampton.
Quote from: VA slim on March 19, 2009, 07:40:55 PM
personally i heard a genesis of this at hampton.
Man, I hope thay dont sound like Genesis....
(http://www.collider.com/uploads/imageGallery/Genesis/genesis_band_image.jpg)
Oh, wait.
Never mind. :roll:
:lol:
ask rowjim's neighbors about genesis!
they really didnt get it i think when i pulled some out to spin on their turntable two weeks ago!
I personally love the quote by Fishman in the opening section....
Quote"Our band had driven itself into a ditch. We had to establish credability with people again."
That sums up from 1998-2004. So Hampton was the tow-truck.....lets see if this car is still drivable.....
Quote from: Marmar on March 19, 2009, 07:49:48 PM
I personally love the quote by Fishman in the opening section....
Quote"Our band had driven itself into a ditch. We had to establish credability with people again."
That sums up from 1998-2004. So Hampton was the tow-truck.....lets see if this car is still drivable.....
Heh, nice metaphor.
Quote from: ytowndan on March 19, 2009, 07:52:30 PM
Quote from: Marmar on March 19, 2009, 07:49:48 PM
I personally love the quote by Fishman in the opening section....
Quote"Our band had driven itself into a ditch. We had to establish credability with people again."
That sums up from 1998-2004. So Hampton was the tow-truck.....lets see if this car is still drivable.....
Heh, nice metaphor.
def. could use a new transmission.
Quote from: VA slim on March 19, 2009, 07:55:09 PM
Quote from: ytowndan on March 19, 2009, 07:52:30 PM
Quote from: Marmar on March 19, 2009, 07:49:48 PM
I personally love the quote by Fishman in the opening section....
Quote"Our band had driven itself into a ditch. We had to establish credability with people again."
That sums up from 1998-2004. So Hampton was the tow-truck.....lets see if this car is still drivable.....
Heh, nice metaphor.
def. could use a new transmission.
The lights were definitely working at Hampton, so the battery has some juice in it.
so fluid and filter for the tranny....anything else?
maybe a 4 wheel alignment?
New tires are a must...That way they can turn on a dime.
Quote from: VA slim on March 19, 2009, 07:48:16 PM
:lol:
ask rowjim's neighbors about genesis!
they really didnt get it i think when i pulled some out to spin on their turntable two weeks ago!
That came up last night... They weren't thrilled about the selection but respected your defense of the pick.
Quote from: blatboom on March 18, 2009, 11:24:17 AM
new Rolling Stone Phish article:
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/3939/rspage1.jpg
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/7018/rspage2.jpg
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/6708/rspage3.jpg
Thanks for the read. Good stuff. :-)
Quote from: rowjimmy on March 20, 2009, 07:50:01 AM
Quote from: VA slim on March 19, 2009, 07:48:16 PM
:lol:
ask rowjim's neighbors about genesis!
they really didnt get it i think when i pulled some out to spin on their turntable two weeks ago!
That came up last night... They weren't thrilled about the selection but respected your defense of the pick.
What did he put on? The Lamb?
Quote from: khalpin on March 20, 2009, 08:40:08 AM
Quote from: rowjimmy on March 20, 2009, 07:50:01 AM
Quote from: VA slim on March 19, 2009, 07:48:16 PM
:lol:
ask rowjim's neighbors about genesis!
they really didnt get it i think when i pulled some out to spin on their turntable two weeks ago!
That came up last night... They weren't thrilled about the selection but respected your defense of the pick.
What did he put on? The Lamb?
Of course.
Wish I was there. :cry:
It was a fun evening.
"i know what i like, and i like what i know." :mrgreen:
wow that was a really cool article. I definitely liked the whole bit about Fishman being angry after the breakup, because of Trey telling him that he needed to stop, but instead he just stopped Phish and kept on with everything else.
Also, i found it very interesting that Fishman completely stopped playing drums for a while.
Loved the article though. Kind of sheds some light on the mixed feeling I still have.
Mixed feelings?
Da PHiSH is back man! It's only going to get better!!!
Quote from: rowjimmy on March 20, 2009, 07:50:01 AM
Quote from: VA slim on March 19, 2009, 07:48:16 PM
:lol:
ask rowjim's neighbors about genesis!
they really didnt get it i think when i pulled some out to spin on their turntable two weeks ago!
That came up last night... They weren't thrilled about the selection but respected your defense of the pick.
Even Phil Collins genesis is decent. Boo.
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on March 20, 2009, 08:18:56 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on March 20, 2009, 07:50:01 AM
Quote from: VA slim on March 19, 2009, 07:48:16 PM
:lol:
ask rowjim's neighbors about genesis!
they really didnt get it i think when i pulled some out to spin on their turntable two weeks ago!
That came up last night... They weren't thrilled about the selection but respected your defense of the pick.
Even Phil Collins genesis is decent. Boo.
Not so much, no.
Invisible Touch was decent when I was 10 but, it doesn't hold up.
Quote from: rowjimmy on March 20, 2009, 08:28:35 PM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on March 20, 2009, 08:18:56 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on March 20, 2009, 07:50:01 AM
Quote from: VA slim on March 19, 2009, 07:48:16 PM
:lol:
ask rowjim's neighbors about genesis!
they really didnt get it i think when i pulled some out to spin on their turntable two weeks ago!
That came up last night... They weren't thrilled about the selection but respected your defense of the pick.
Even Phil Collins genesis is decent. Boo.
Not so much, no.
Invisible Touch was decent when I was 10 but, it doesn't hold up.
I'm still into it. But then again, I own all of Phil Collins solo records on vinyl...so maybe I'm just a Phil Collins fluffer ;)
BTW, Land of Confusion is the shit!
there is a BIG difference in "phil collins" genesis of the 70s and phil collins genesis of the mid to late 80s.
i really dig on almost all genesis if i'm in the right mood, but there are some serious heavy hitters put out by the band in the 70s after gabriel left and phil took over the vocals.
I even like the 80s/90s stuff tho...
:-D
Well..I even like "We Can't Dance"
:-D
Do you like Phil Collins? I've been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. Before that, I really didn't understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where Phil Collins' presence became more apparent. I think Invisible Touch was the group's undisputed masterpiece. It's an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums. Christy, take off your robe. Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument. Sabrina, remove your dress. In terms of lyrical craftsmanship, the sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism. Sabrina, why don't you, uh, dance a little. Take the lyrics to Land of Confusion. In this song, Phil Collins addresses the problems of abusive political authority. In Too Deep is the most moving pop song of the 1980s, about monogamy and commitment. The song is extremely uplifting. Their lyrics are as positive and affirmative as anything I've heard in rock. Christy, get down on your knees so Sabrina can see your asshole. Phil Collins' solo career seems to be more commercial and therefore more satisfying, in a narrower way. Especially songs like In the Air Tonight and Against All Odds. Sabrina, don't just stare at it, eat it. But I also think Phil Collins works best within the confines of the group, than as a solo artist, and I stress the word artist. This is Sussudio, a great, great song, a personal favorite.
I will say that "Against All Odds" is possibly the best break up song ever.
Quote from: Hicks on March 20, 2009, 09:27:21 PM
Do you like Phil Collins? I've been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. Before that, I really didn't understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where Phil Collins' presence became more apparent. I think Invisible Touch was the group's undisputed masterpiece. It's an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums. Christy, take off your robe. Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument. Sabrina, remove your dress. In terms of lyrical craftsmanship, the sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism. Sabrina, why don't you, uh, dance a little. Take the lyrics to Land of Confusion. In this song, Phil Collins addresses the problems of abusive political authority. In Too Deep is the most moving pop song of the 1980s, about monogamy and commitment. The song is extremely uplifting. Their lyrics are as positive and affirmative as anything I've heard in rock. Christy, get down on your knees so Sabrina can see your asshole. Phil Collins' solo career seems to be more commercial and therefore more satisfying, in a narrower way. Especially songs like In the Air Tonight and Against All Odds. Sabrina, don't just stare at it, eat it. But I also think Phil Collins works best within the confines of the group, than as a solo artist, and I stress the word artist. This is Sussudio, a great, great song, a personal favorite.
freal???
:-o :? :lol:
(it's from American Psycho)
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on March 20, 2009, 11:27:02 PM
(it's from American Psycho)
:lol: its in my netflix cue....
thank god!!!
edit: had a feeling i was walkin into a tarp
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on March 20, 2009, 11:28:40 PM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on March 20, 2009, 11:27:02 PM
(it's from American Psycho)
:lol: its in my netflix cue....
thank god!!!
edit: had a feeling i was walkin into a tarp
Or a trap even. :-D
Quote from: thechad on March 21, 2009, 12:21:13 AM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on March 20, 2009, 11:28:40 PM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on March 20, 2009, 11:27:02 PM
(it's from American Psycho)
:lol: its in my netflix cue....
thank god!!!
edit: had a feeling i was walkin into a tarp
Or a trap even. :-D
(http://www.acorscadden.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/tarp-30198.jpg)
Quote from: VA slim on March 20, 2009, 09:01:49 PM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on March 20, 2009, 08:56:44 PM
I even like the 80s/90s stuff tho...
:-D
abacab is dope.
Abacab is one hard hitting song. That whole segment of the dirty keyboard solo, Phil beating the shit out of his drums and the ethereal guitar in the background is sick!
Quote from: Hicks on March 20, 2009, 09:27:21 PM
Do you like Phil Collins? I've been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. Before that, I really didn't understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where Phil Collins' presence became more apparent. I think Invisible Touch was the group's undisputed masterpiece. It's an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums. Christy, take off your robe. Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument. Sabrina, remove your dress. In terms of lyrical craftsmanship, the sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism. Sabrina, why don't you, uh, dance a little. Take the lyrics to Land of Confusion. In this song, Phil Collins addresses the problems of abusive political authority. In Too Deep is the most moving pop song of the 1980s, about monogamy and commitment. The song is extremely uplifting. Their lyrics are as positive and affirmative as anything I've heard in rock. Christy, get down on your knees so Sabrina can see your asshole. Phil Collins' solo career seems to be more commercial and therefore more satisfying, in a narrower way. Especially songs like In the Air Tonight and Against All Odds. Sabrina, don't just stare at it, eat it. But I also think Phil Collins works best within the confines of the group, than as a solo artist, and I stress the word artist. This is Sussudio, a great, great song, a personal favorite.
I definitely saw what you did there.
Quote from: cimsm on March 21, 2009, 12:28:19 AM
Quote from: thechad on March 21, 2009, 12:21:13 AM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on March 20, 2009, 11:28:40 PM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on March 20, 2009, 11:27:02 PM
(it's from American Psycho)
:lol: its in my netflix cue....
thank god!!!
edit: had a feeling i was walkin into a tarp
Or a trap even. :-D
(http://www.acorscadden.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/tarp-30198.jpg)
Holy crap! I just woke up the kids, I laughed so hard seeing that pic.
OK........................
BACK TO PHISH IS FUCKING BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So how about them boys........ :-P
Quote from: tehdead on March 21, 2009, 11:47:12 AM
OK........................
BACK TO PHISH IS FUCKING BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So how about them boys........ :-P
ha ha! Yeah, did I order a round of smiles? Doesn't matter, cause that's all they were serving! :-D
Anyone got any knowledge on whether or not they are working on a new album??
It's been reported in the NYTimes and RS that they will be recording a new record with Steve Lillywhite in April.
Lamb Lies Down on Broadway and Selling England By The Pound are two of the worst albums ever released....by any band :roll:
Quote from: caravan2001 on March 21, 2009, 05:37:25 PM
Lamb Lies Down on Broadway and Selling England By The Pound are two of the worst albums ever released....by any band :roll:
I'm assuming those are Lillywhite albums?
Quote from: caravan2001 on March 21, 2009, 05:37:25 PM
Lamb Lies Down on Broadway and Selling England By The Pound are two of the worst albums ever released....by any band :roll:
respectfully disagreed. :-)
Quote from: VA slim on March 21, 2009, 06:56:09 PM
Quote from: caravan2001 on March 21, 2009, 05:37:25 PM
Lamb Lies Down on Broadway and Selling England By The Pound are two of the worst albums ever released....by any band :roll:
respectfully disagreed. :-)
Totally.
Dissing Peter Gabriel era Genesis? I think not. :-P
.
isnt Peter Gabriel gay?
gay as in he'd like you gay?
or
gay as in he'd like you gay?
the other one
Party TIME!
i guess not, really... i was just curious, haha
curious if he was curious. :-D
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on March 22, 2009, 12:26:50 AM
isnt Peter Gabriel gay?
Yes the kind of gay when you get to shag Rosanna Arquette when she was the embodiment of '80s hot.
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on March 22, 2009, 05:04:22 PM
i guess not, really... i was just curious, haha
Curious as in bi-curious? Couldn't help it bro... you kinda walked into that. :wink:
Quote from: Hicks on March 22, 2009, 07:21:25 PM
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on March 22, 2009, 12:26:50 AM
isnt Peter Gabriel gay?
Yes the kind of gay when you get to shag Rosanna Arquette when she was the embodiment of '80s hot.
So, like Toto-gay?
Gold! Pure gold!
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on March 22, 2009, 10:24:03 PM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on March 22, 2009, 03:07:56 AM
Party TIME!
Party TIME!
Party time huh? :evil: Warning... (partially NSFW)
FYI, the band is '45 Grave' and this version of the song was done for the movie and smokes the album version.
Crank it up!
"crunk" it up! :beers:
Bump. 8-)
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on June 08, 2009, 01:25:45 AM
Bump. 8-)
your text you sent me last night was gold.
pure gold. :wtu:
Quote from: alcoholandcoffeebeans on June 08, 2009, 10:55:11 AM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on June 08, 2009, 01:25:45 AM
Bump. 8-)
your text you sent me last night was gold.
pure gold. :wtu:
second that, it was the same one. just checked the tm thread, ha ha, i could tell it was a good set, but then that totally made me jealous... oh well.
Quote from: goodabouthood on June 08, 2009, 11:18:15 AM
Quote from: alcoholandcoffeebeans on June 08, 2009, 10:55:11 AM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on June 08, 2009, 01:25:45 AM
Bump. 8-)
your text you sent me last night was gold.
pure gold. :wtu:
second that, it was the same one. just checked the tm thread, ha ha, i could tell it was a good set, but then that totally made me jealous... oh well.
between him and antelope and RJ i got super jealous...
at least your'e hitting the road this week.... i have to wait till DC!@!!!!
I had to hit this up today because i have never agreed with the thread title as much as i do after now after last night :beers: :banana:
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on March 08, 2009, 12:59:15 AM
Had to start a new thread im so excited right now, Just got back from the best show of my life.
Honestyly, that second set was likely the best set played since 97-98!
Met up with RJ, Slim, Antelope, Gumbo, and Mandi on page side, we rocked it!!!!
just re-reading some of this thread. mainly i cant get over the fact i met :wtu: and dont really remember it.
man i was Fuzuppd @ hampton. :mrgreen:
Quote from: VA slim on June 08, 2009, 07:21:10 PM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on March 08, 2009, 12:59:15 AM
Had to start a new thread im so excited right now, Just got back from the best show of my life.
Honestyly, that second set was likely the best set played since 97-98!
Met up with RJ, Slim, Antelope, Gumbo, and Mandi on page side, we rocked it!!!!
just re-reading some of this thread. mainly i cant get over the fact i met :wtu: and dont really remember it.
man i was Fuzuppd @ hampton. :mrgreen:
:lol:
me and Igbo rolled up on you after 3/7/09 and you ran away from us :lol:
Quote from: blatboom on June 08, 2009, 07:28:22 PM
Quote from: VA slim on June 08, 2009, 07:21:10 PM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on March 08, 2009, 12:59:15 AM
Had to start a new thread im so excited right now, Just got back from the best show of my life.
Honestyly, that second set was likely the best set played since 97-98!
Met up with RJ, Slim, Antelope, Gumbo, and Mandi on page side, we rocked it!!!!
just re-reading some of this thread. mainly i cant get over the fact i met :wtu: and dont really remember it.
man i was Fuzuppd @ hampton. :mrgreen:
:lol:
me and Igbo rolled up on you after 3/7/09 and you ran away from us :lol:
that dude is Scaaarryy! with his cabana shirts and all!
Quote from: VA slim on June 08, 2009, 07:21:10 PM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on March 08, 2009, 12:59:15 AM
Had to start a new thread im so excited right now, Just got back from the best show of my life.
Honestyly, that second set was likely the best set played since 97-98!
Met up with RJ, Slim, Antelope, Gumbo, and Mandi on page side, we rocked it!!!!
just re-reading some of this thread. mainly i cant get over the fact i met :wtu: and dont really remember it.
man i was Fuzuppd @ hampton. :mrgreen:
no worries man, we'll have our chance to meet someday Im sure of it.
Re-reading my first post in this thread makes me feel pretty ridiculous. "best show since 97-98" ?! what was i thinking!
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on June 10, 2009, 12:41:38 AM
Re-reading my first post in this thread makes me feel pretty ridiculous. "best show since 97-98" ?! what was i thinking!
Hey, I think it's better to over-enjoy yourself at the time than not to have as much fun and realize after the fact that you caught an epic performance. Na'mean?
Quote from: VoodooBrew on June 10, 2009, 12:47:33 AM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on June 10, 2009, 12:41:38 AM
Re-reading my first post in this thread makes me feel pretty ridiculous. "best show since 97-98" ?! what was i thinking!
Hey, I think it's better to over-enjoy yourself at the time than not to have as much fun and realize after the fact that you caught an epic performance. Na'mean?
This is sound advisoring.
You guys.....
Phish is back!!!!! :-o :banana:
See you all in 2010!!!!!!
- :wtu:
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on January 01, 2010, 05:05:45 AM
You guys.....
Phish is back!!!!! :-o :banana:
See you all in 2010!!!!!!
- :wtu:
Yes they are and Yes you will!!!! :banana: :mrgreen: :crazy:
who?
Where you at the show tonight?
Quote from: whyweigh4.0 on January 01, 2010, 05:20:52 AM
Where you at the show tonight?
Nope...I wish, you have fun?
Miami '09 is the first time since Raleigh '99 that I've felt "PHISH IS FUCKING BACK!!!!!" Congrats Phish! You are on your way!
Quote from: messengerbird on January 01, 2010, 05:09:09 AM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on January 01, 2010, 05:05:45 AM
You guys.....
Phish is back!!!!! :-o :banana:
See you all in 2010!!!!!!
- :wtu:
Yes they are and Yes you will!!!! :banana: :mrgreen: :crazy:
I'm with these guys. :beers: 2 :phish:
Bump! :wtu:
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on June 16, 2010, 02:15:25 AM
Bump! :wtu:
:hereitisyousentimentalbastard
glad you boys had fun, waiting is not as much fun.
holla
Quote from: VA slim on June 16, 2010, 05:03:32 AM
holla
Two in the mornin and the partys still jumpin
Cause my momma aint home
I got bitches in the living room gettin it on
And, they aint leavin til six in the mornin
Quote from: Superfreakie on June 16, 2010, 05:18:44 AM
Quote from: VA slim on June 16, 2010, 05:03:32 AM
holla
Two in the mornin and the partys still jumpin
Cause my momma aint home
I got bitches in the living room gettin it on
And, they aint leavin til six in the mornin
I got a pocket fulla rubbers and my homeboys do too
Quote from: Superfreakie on June 16, 2010, 05:18:44 AM
Quote from: VA slim on June 16, 2010, 05:03:32 AM
holla
Two in the mornin and the partys still jumpin
Cause my momma aint home
I got bitches in the living room gettin it on
And, they aint leavin til six in the mornin
:laugh: :clap:
Bump. :-D
I've truly never felt more like "Phish is fucking back" than after last nights show.
89, 99, 09.... whatever.... it was just a GREAT fucking Phish show! :wtu:
Sweet bump and I totally agree. BACK!!!
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on August 08, 2010, 04:50:35 PM
I've truly never felt more like "Phish is fucking back" than after last nights show.
89, 99, 09.... whatever.... it was just a GREAT fucking Phish show! :wtu:
saweet show last night but ONE show doesntt mean they're back
Quote from: mehead on August 08, 2010, 06:29:19 PM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on August 08, 2010, 04:50:35 PM
I've truly never felt more like "Phish is fucking back" than after last nights show.
89, 99, 09.... whatever.... it was just a GREAT fucking Phish show! :wtu:
saweet show last night but ONE show doesntt mean they're back
puh-lease, one show?
Its not 95, nor will it ever be again, but this whole summer has proven to me that they are back and only improving.
I for one am pretty excited about the future.
Since I've been listening to phish (getting on 20 yrs now), there has always been the debate between those in attendance vs. those sitting at home. I remember people shitting on just about every show Ive ever been to, all of them. There were haters then and there are haters now.
Stop hating and enjoy yourself, you'll find life is a lot more interesting when you go with the flow rather than look for all the blemishes.
Stop the Hate.
Quote from: birdman on August 08, 2010, 06:41:03 PM
I for one am pretty excited about the future.
Since I've been listening to phish (getting on 20 yrs now), there has always been the debate between those in attendance vs. those sitting at home. I remember people shitting on just about every show Ive ever been to, all of them. There were haters then and there are haters now.
Stop hating and enjoy yourself, you'll find life is a lot more interesting when you go with the flow rather than look for all the blemishes.
Stop the Hate.
Could not agree more BM :clap:
BM, do you know why we're still friends?
Quote from: PIE-GUY on August 08, 2010, 06:48:16 PM
BM, do you know why we're still friends?
All the years of great sex?
With ur hot sisters.
I'm too rational to even notice if she was hot or not.
Quote from: PIE-GUY on August 08, 2010, 07:14:09 PM
I'm too rational to even notice if she was hot or not.
I was talking about her attitude, freak :samurai: :lol:
She parties like a rock star.
She was hanging with ur boy Mark with the long blond hair last I saw her.
Quote from: PIE-GUY on August 08, 2010, 07:17:47 PM
She was hanging with ur boy Mark with the long blond hair last I saw her.
Sounds about right.
But anyway
Phish IS back!
three shows and they just burned it down
I loved it
no TTE :shakehead:
:-D
Quote from: pigflu on August 10, 2010, 01:40:45 AM
no TTE :shakehead:
You make it sound as if it were a bad thing.
No Curtain. :shakehead:
Cities at the Greek was my "phish is fucking back!!!!!!" moment
Quote from: jam> on August 10, 2010, 11:14:12 AM
Cities at the Greek was my "phish is fucking back!!!!!!" moment
yes, agreed. I watched the youtube video that was posted and absolutely loved it.
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on August 10, 2010, 12:14:45 PM
Quote from: birdman on August 08, 2010, 07:12:17 PM
Quote from: PIE-GUY on August 08, 2010, 07:11:37 PM
With ur hot sisters.
Eww.
Sara is a hot shit, no?
Hey Birdman!
I met your sister!
She's hot!
:-D
RULE # 1 :roll: :hereitisyousentimentalbastard
Ps. how old is she? :wink:
Quote from: !cEm@n $l!m on August 10, 2010, 01:38:15 PM
Ps. how old is she? :wink:
I'll answer you exactly how I answerd some Cougar one time when I was asked how old I thought she was......
...
"Old enough to be pretty" :wtu:
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on August 10, 2010, 01:42:22 PM
Quote from: !cEm@n $l!m on August 10, 2010, 01:38:15 PM
Ps. how old is she? :wink:
I'll answer you exactly how I answerd some Cougar one time when I was asked how old I thought she was......
...
Yer making my head hurt.
Quote from: Hicks on August 10, 2010, 01:45:07 PM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on August 10, 2010, 01:42:22 PM
Quote from: !cEm@n $l!m on August 10, 2010, 01:38:15 PM
Ps. how old is she? :wink:
I'll answer you exactly how I answerd some Cougar one time when I was asked how old I thought she was......
...
Yer making my head hurt.
Look man, I took drugs last night. Sentences are hard sometimes.
(but yeah, reading that back is confusing me too)
back on track you druggies!
RULE#1 OF BIRDMAN'S SISTER ASAP OR KYS. :police:
Quote from: redrum on August 10, 2010, 01:57:42 PM
back on track you druggies!
RULE#1 OF BIRDMAN'S SISTER ASAP OR KYS. :police:
she patrols the mountain... on skis in winter, on mountain bike in summer... rough life out there!
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-ash1/v253/199/2/782373124/n782373124_875843_1237.jpg)
Awesome!!
pieguy comin thru..
So... I heard Phish was back or something?
:wtu:
i love how a thread entitled "phish is fucking back" has degraded(?) into posting pictures of member's sisters! :hereitisyousentimentalbastard
EDIT:
haha, RJ beat me to it. :crazy:
Quote from: PIE-GUY on August 10, 2010, 02:06:57 PM
Quote from: redrum on August 10, 2010, 01:57:42 PM
back on track you druggies!
RULE#1 OF BIRDMAN'S SISTER ASAP OR KYS. :police:
she patrols the mountain... on skis in winter, on mountain bike in summer... rough life out there!
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-ash1/v253/199/2/782373124/n782373124_875843_1237.jpg)
was that pic taken after she heard the 8/6 Seven Below?
Where is the 'sister pics' thread anyway? :?
What the hell is going on in here!?!
::birdman scours the net for pics of Pie Guys sister::
phish is ......
wait wait what is this.
<-----this d00d digs women who ski :thumbs up:
this thread is starting to win just a bit more.
Quote from: birdman on August 10, 2010, 04:03:39 PM
What the hell is going on in here!?!
::birdman scours the net for pics of Pie Guys sister::
Dude, I posted the most modest pic I could find... no cleavage or nothin'!
Quote from: PIE-GUY on August 10, 2010, 04:57:24 PM
Quote from: birdman on August 10, 2010, 04:03:39 PM
What the hell is going on in here!?!
::birdman scours the net for pics of Pie Guys sister::
Dude, I posted the most modest pic I could find... no cleavage or nothin'!
:-D
Im actually impressed you were able to find one without cleavage!
You must have dug deep.
:::thread potentially regaining momentum:::
Quote from: PIE-GUY on August 10, 2010, 04:57:24 PM
no cleavage or nothin'!
That's the cruel thing about winter apparel...
Quote from: redrum on August 10, 2010, 05:13:16 PM
:::thread potentially regaining momentum:::
::fingers crossed::
Quote from: birdman on August 10, 2010, 05:11:51 PM
Quote from: PIE-GUY on August 10, 2010, 04:57:24 PM
Quote from: birdman on August 10, 2010, 04:03:39 PM
What the hell is going on in here!?!
::birdman scours the net for pics of Pie Guys sister::
Dude, I posted the most modest pic I could find... no cleavage or nothin'!
:-D
Im actually impressed you were able to find one without cleavage!
You must have dug deep.
I mean, I wasn't looking at
all her facebook pics or nuthin'.
my sister looks just like me, but with less facial hair, so no need to bother
you guys are funny :beers:
Quote from: redrum on August 10, 2010, 05:13:16 PM
:::thread potentially regaining momentum:::
Pie-guy will come through!
Ducks BM's swing.
And since we're talking about sister pics, some friends of mine were checking out this porn star a month or so ago and saying she had worked at a bar here in town. So they told me her name (not her porn name) and sure enough, she's the cousin of one of my close friends. Holy shit, have I been razzin' him ever since.
Quote from: Phishy69 on August 10, 2010, 08:46:01 PM
And since we're talking about sister pics, some friends of mine were checking out this porn star a month or so ago and saying she had worked at a bar here in town. So they told me her name (not her porn name) and sure enough, she's the cousin of one of my close friends. Holy shit, have I been razzin' him ever since.
:hereitisyousentimentalbastard
Quote from: kellerb on August 10, 2010, 06:08:06 PM
my sister looks just like me, but with less facial hair, so no need to bother
ditto. add to that she's a hardcore protestant and never shows ANY skin, and most definitely doesnt have a facebook page.
Quote from: !cEm@n $l!m on August 11, 2010, 01:00:32 PM
Quote from: kellerb on August 10, 2010, 06:08:06 PM
my sister looks just like me, but with less facial hair, so no need to bother
ditto. add to that she's a hardcore protestant and never shows ANY skin, and most definitely doesnt have a facebook page.
See, I told you, but you just didn't listen.
I like the shows Phish played this month.
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on August 12, 2010, 12:43:13 AM
I like the shows Phish played this month.
Myself as well.
How politely you put your expression. :angel:
similar to '09 they sounded like junk in June but lift-off in August! :music:
i love this band.
i love every member.
i couldn't care less if they don't sound like that crazy-insane-batshit-nuts show in the year 19__.
we can see phish, they can bring us together, trey can melt our faces, mike can drop bombs all night long.
i never got to see phish before 3.0 but dammit miami>this summer have been the best times of my life and i'm gonna keep goin as long as they still play.
phish is fucking back. :-D
Quote from: qop24 on August 13, 2010, 03:45:42 PM
i love this band.
i love every member.
i couldn't care less if they don't sound like that crazy-insane-batshit-nuts show in the year 19__.
we can see phish, they can bring us together, trey can melt our faces, mike can drop bombs all night long.
i never got to see phish before 3.0 but dammit miami>this summer have been the best times of my life and i'm gonna keep goin as long as they still play.
phish is fucking back. :-D
I saw them a bunch back while I was in college, and just out. But I missed out on most of the 90s, because of my own naivety. I don't regret this, but if I ever get that time machine, you know where to find me.
After the last few shows, I would agree with most of the positive sentiment. But, I'm not as down on the June shows as much as many. Sloppy and whammied, yes....but not that bad. I'm so impressed by these 4 guys, I hope to be half the musician they are (some day)
I think it's safe to say that they're ophishally going through the motions. It's kind of sad...
Quote from: thelot on August 13, 2010, 08:53:21 PM
I think it's safe to say that they're ophishally going through the motions. It's kind of sad...
Thelot hath spoketh!
Quote from: thelot on August 13, 2010, 08:53:21 PM
I think it's safe to say that they're ophishally going through the motions. It's kind of sad...
Ser? Elaborate
Quote from: whatapiper on August 14, 2010, 01:09:38 AM
Ser? Elaborate
i'll elaborate, ...the motions of being an awesome band.
Every show since they've been back has been cookie cutter. Same jam songs light, rock and roll, drowned, disease, tweezer, piper. Song chaser bust-outs throughout. Similar openers night after night. Some great jams since they've been back, but overall nothing that interesting, minus 10 or so. Phan favorite packed setlists. Playing requests?!? I love phish, but this has been on
my mind for a little bit now. I really don't read phish sites anymore other than phishthoughts, so I'm not sure how other people feel about the current state of phish. The dude from phishthoughts is lovin' it! I don't know, just another opinion. I'm really happy they're back, I just wish the creative juices were flowing. :::end rant:::
Quote from: thelot on August 14, 2010, 07:13:50 AM
Every show since they've been back has been cookie cutter. Same jam songs light, rock and roll, drowned, disease, tweezer, piper. Song chaser bust-outs throughout. Similar openers night after night. Some great jams since they've been back, but overall nothing that interesting, minus 10 or so. Phan favorite packed setlists. Playing requests?!? I love phish, but this has been on
my mind for a little bit now. I really don't read phish sites anymore other than phishthoughts, so I'm not sure how other people feel about the current state of phish. The dude from phishthoughts is lovin' it! I don't know, just another opinion. I'm really happy they're back, I just wish the creative juices were flowing. :::end rant:::
again, please elaborate..what specifically are you looking for? IMO I don;t give a shit about them playing requests - if someone requests Tube and they play Tube then :beerbang:
This argument will never end I guess. I've had my ups and downs about the band since they came back, that is until my little Greek> telluride run with the lady. Ever since my first show in 96 their have been grovels about what the boys are doing, particularly with new material, setlist variation and jamming. Is it ever perfect?.....for everyone?
These 5 shows have given me a new appreciation, they are clearly loving it, a sure sign they are not going through the motions, i.e Trey at Coventry may be a better example. I will elaborate more later, I'm still on the road, now with my son again. iPhone typing is a major pain!....tbc
Quote from: thelot on August 14, 2010, 07:13:50 AM
Every show since they've been back has been cookie cutter. Same jam songs light, rock and roll, drowned, disease, tweezer, piper. Song chaser bust-outs throughout. Similar openers night after night. Some great jams since they've been back, but overall nothing that interesting, minus 10 or so. Phan favorite packed setlists. Playing requests?!? I love phish, but this has been on
my mind for a little bit now. I really don't read phish sites anymore other than phishthoughts, so I'm not sure how other people feel about the current state of phish. The dude from phishthoughts is lovin' it! I don't know, just another opinion. I'm really happy they're back, I just wish the creative juices were flowing. :::end rant:::
you're not alone. I've felt that way as of late. To me, it's cruise control. This is a band that can still take the music anywhere, but they don't. I have argued it's a shift of philosophy, but then the nostalgia of "jamming" once a show is what throws me off. It's just enough to satisfy most of the fanbase.
I can't speak for the thelot, but just playing the songs right isn't enough to me. This was once a band that had balls, and 90% of the time I don't see any balls on them. The only jam so far this leg that deserves attention is the jam out of Simple from the Greek. Where the hell is that energy? Seriously? To pop out the same jam with Drowned each time is super easy, it's not even improvisation to me. It's like Cactusfan said, it's part of the song now. That's going through the motions. Do you guys not remember that when they used to jam Drowned it actually went to different places? The same with Tweezer. With any jam song. They all have their own little worked out jams for the jam tunes now. Sure you can point me to a few exceptions, but overall it's going through the motions night in and night out.
I go through the same damn thing with each show. Get all amped with the setlist -> listen to the show -> wonder why and what the hell everyone is so pumped about. Part of what makes Phish, Phish is the inherent risk within the music. This is the safest they have ever played in their career. As sloppy as Albany II set II is, I'd rather hear that meandering load of shit each night than what they do normally. At least with that set they took a risk and despite failing I respect them for that.
I'm not asking for the sounds of the past to return, I'm asking for the sounds of the future to get here. To find some sound that moves them to inspiration, that guides them past this rut that they are in creatively right now. Because just playing the songs well and rehashing the same jams isn't anything special. A lot of crappy bands can play their songs well, it's about what happens when you let the moment take you and you let go of all inhibitions. That's what separated Phish from the rest of the lot.
IMO, they are only getting better, I'm not sure how that's not obvious. I have nothing but hope for what the future brings. This is still my favorite band, and to me there is nothing more exciting than seeing them. I want a type II haleys first set opener just like the next guy but until then I'll be happy watching them grow again
Leg II has been massively better than leg I in terms of playing so far, so I'm happy with that.
I guess I can sort of see where sophist and thelot are coming from in this way: the band definitely is reacting to the sloppiness of 2.0 (and arguably some before then) and has been generally more conservative over 3.0.
What I don't get is the implied idea that they aren't improving. Maybe you feel they aren't "there" yet or that they aren't improving fast enough; after listening to the first few shows of this leg, I mostly disagree, but I could at least see where you are coming from if that's the case.
But I don't really think it's arguable that they have steadily improved in pretty much every respect (setlist choices, technical proficiency, jamz, etc.) since Hampton. Am I wrong on this? Do some people really think they haven't improved? I'm not being sarcastic, I'm really interested to hear if people disagree with that idea.
I think they have improved a lot in their playing and jamming over the past 2 years. They are having so much fun playing together there is no way they won't continue to improve. I really don't think we'll see consistent 5 song sets ever again. That is not going to happen, so if that's what you are after I think you are going to be disappointed.
Quote from: Hicks on August 14, 2010, 02:09:59 PM
Leg II has been massively better than leg I in terms of playing so far, so I'm happy with that.
seeing a few shows certainly helped my outlook, but I did feel that there were chances taken at telli, particularly between songs/segues. Lots of weird spastic stuff that worked but could have not.....I hope to see more in this direction as well as some fall tour dates out west :evil:
Quote from: spaced on August 14, 2010, 02:43:28 PM
I guess I can sort of see where sophist and thelot are coming from in this way: the band definitely is reacting to the sloppiness of 2.0 (and arguably some before then) and has been generally more conservative over 3.0.
What I don't get is the implied idea that they aren't improving. Maybe you feel they aren't "there" yet or that they aren't improving fast enough; after listening to the first few shows of this leg, I mostly disagree, but I could at least see where you are coming from if that's the case.
But I don't really think it's arguable that they have steadily improved in pretty much every respect (setlist choices, technical proficiency, jamz, etc.) since Hampton. Am I wrong on this? Do some people really think they haven't improved? I'm not being sarcastic, I'm really interested to hear if people disagree with that idea.
I think there was some backsliding during leg I of this year. But I think they are back on track now.
I agree with everything that Hicks is saying.
Quote from: thelot on August 14, 2010, 07:13:50 AM
Every show since they've been back has been cookie cutter. Same jam songs light, rock and roll, drowned, disease, tweezer, piper. Song chaser bust-outs throughout. Similar openers night after night. Some great jams since they've been back, but overall nothing that interesting, minus 10 or so. Phan favorite packed setlists. Playing requests?!? I love phish, but this has been on
my mind for a little bit now. I really don't read phish sites anymore other than phishthoughts, so I'm not sure how other people feel about the current state of phish. The dude from phishthoughts is lovin' it! I don't know, just another opinion. I'm really happy they're back, I just wish the creative juices were flowing. :::end rant:::
Man, I totally feel you. 2009 was the same thing with me: some magic throughout (Camden, Albany2, Miami), but mostly... bland, perfunctory playing.
The start of 2010 was also mostly like that. It got better; they started off with a bang with some really nice stuff sprinkled throughout the first 3 shows, but then they kinda stalled. And I really felt like they were re-experiencing something Mike mentioned in The Phish Book, where, early on, once the band solidified, from like 84-86, they would either do shows where the jams were hot and inspired, but sloppy, or shows where they got all the changes right, but the jams weren't as explosive. Thats what I felt during SPAC; there was a lot of loose slop, but it was bracketed by some really inventive playing, and true exploration.
But once they hit Camden, it all got going, imo, and those loose, goofed shows got REAL crazy. The other shows were tight and accurately played, but rather uninspired and bland.
But dude, you really should listen to these August shows. The Greek is fantastic. Telluride is unfortunately a little underwhelming, but well-played. I haven't gotten to dig into Deer Creek yet, but the Drowned jam is fucking FANTASTIC. Pay Jorgan up the ASS!!!!!!!!!!
Granted, whole shows are stilllllll not quite fully 100% solid and bombastic completely throughout, but really man.... theres some really good fucking shit here. You just gotta listen with an open mind, without any preconceptions, conditions, or caveats.
One of the key things to 2010 Phish is subtley and understatement. Its not completely specifically WHAT is actually being played, but what they're DOING with what they're playing. Like, with the Greek Gin. Its great, but the playing isn't completely 100% together.
However, what gets me off is what the band is DOING, as a whole. Trey is letting himself open to being played by the other guys. Page flutters out some piano shit, and Trey immediately latches on. Its fucking awesome; its the mechanics of the band that what gets me excited now, because I know that, with each show, they're going to get better. And knowing that the band, as a whole, is operating together the way it should is what gets me excited.
They're listening, taking chances, and being inventive. The results aren't always completely 100%, but the attempt is legit, and they mean it. What we've seen so far is the band taking chances, and sometimes its working, and sometimes it kinda falls flat. They know that it will sometimes happen, but they haven't quite figured out the secret to knowing HOW to make it work themselves. Its been a happy accident, and they're getting closer and closer to figuring out how to make it happen INTENTIONALLY.
But really, Trey has come alive so much this month. He's figured out how to build peaks again, and force turnarounds and build tension.
Its so simple, but for the longest time, I could see/hear Trey over-thinking his role, trying to do too much, thinking that there was some magic secret he'd forgotten and was trying to find again. But if you listen to the last few shows, he's given up overthinking, and just playing for what he wants to do, with building tension and release. Its not some secret style of phrasing or notes, its thinking outside of the big picture, with the whole band's movement. Seeing/hearing what Fishman is doing with fills, and then knowing that thats when to latch on and create tension.
He's learned/figured out/realized what the others (specifically Fishman, now) are doing when they are trying to build tension. Before, I don't think he realized that when Fishman starts throwing out fills, that he's trying to build the tension for a turnaround. But NOW he gets it.
Specifically, last night's Julius, the Telluride Mike's Song, the Telluride Sand, the Greek Weekapaug, the Deer Creek Wolfman's, and the Greek Number Line (Page on the piano!!!!).
Again, the results aren't completely there yet, but they know what to do now, and how to do it. Its simply a matter of doing it more and getting better at it. That, and learning to reallllly push and milk the shit out of it, which is something they haven't quite gotten the feeling for, yet.
But seriously man, theres some good shit now. Its legit Phish. Not just Phish playing songs.
omg dude and the Page/Trey interplay on the Creek Jibboo!!!!!!!!!! :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: !!!!!!!!!
my god. This is fucking incredible. Trey leaves space, and Page is just all like "Dooodleee-dah-duh-dooo-deeeee dahhhh" immediately. Its fucking spectacularific. ohhh yeahhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can't believe this shit exists now/again.
I just a better way to phrase what I was saying is that I just don't get the idea that they are "going thru the motions." It just doesn't make sense to me. To me that implies that (a) the general trend is that they aren't improving and (b) that they aren't having fun doing what they're doing. Both of those ideas seem totally crazy to me. Oh well, to each his own I guess... I'm loving the way they are playing since trey largely ditched the whale a few shows ago, so I'm excited about the future.
Quote from: Hicks on August 14, 2010, 02:58:04 PM
I think there was some backsliding during leg I of this year. But I think they are back on track now.
Agreed, I think there were some times like that in 09 as well. I just meant as a general trend.
Quote from: thelot on August 14, 2010, 07:13:50 AM
Similar openers night after night.
Please remove this line from your rant, because in 2010 they have only repeated an opening song twice, being DWD and Chalk Dust Torture... and that is as good as anyone can ever hope IMHO.
Quote from: Hicks on August 14, 2010, 02:09:59 PM
Leg II has been massively better than leg I in terms of playing so far, so I'm happy with that.
Loving the energy and the overall wellness of Phish's playing in leg II...
Let's hope the lesson learned (besides easing up on the whale) is that multi-night stands at each tour stop is better for the band... they get warmed up and loose when they know they're not going anywhere for a couple of days.
Quote from: Poster Nutbag on August 14, 2010, 03:40:33 PM
Quote from: thelot on August 14, 2010, 07:13:50 AM
Similar openers night after night.
Please remove this line from your rant, because in 2010 they have only repeated an opening song twice, being DWD and Chalk Dust Torture... and that is as good as anyone can ever hope IMHO.
In thelot's defense, I believe he is speaking about second set openers......and he is somewhat right. So predictable that up until the Greek, Rock and Roll opened very second set played on a Saturday. As for predictable first set openers, that was 2009. Also consider that when they have strayed from the DWD/Drowned/Rock and Roll opener it means Light will be found in the second slot and that the song that precedes it will be a meaningless 5 minute opener (Halley's Wilson) then a ~^-> into Light. That's what I call formulaic, maybe not in the Rolling Stones sense, but definitely in the Phish sense.
Quote from: Poster Nutbag on August 14, 2010, 03:40:33 PM
Quote from: thelot on August 14, 2010, 07:13:50 AM
Similar openers night after night.
Please remove this line from your rant, because in 2010 they have only repeated an opening song twice, being DWD and Chalk Dust Torture... and that is as good as anyone can ever hope IMHO.
I'm sure they would have opened a deer creek set with DWD as well, but they didn't want me to pass out.
Quote from: Superfreakie on August 14, 2010, 03:53:23 PM
Quote from: Poster Nutbag on August 14, 2010, 03:40:33 PM
Quote from: thelot on August 14, 2010, 07:13:50 AM
Similar openers night after night.
Please remove this line from your rant, because in 2010 they have only repeated an opening song twice, being DWD and Chalk Dust Torture... and that is as good as anyone can ever hope IMHO.
In thelot's defense, I believe he is speaking about second set openers......and he is somewhat right. So predictable that up until the Greek, Rock and Roll opened very second set played on a Saturday. As for predictable first set openers, that was 2009. Also consider that when they have strayed from the DWD/Drowned/Rock and Roll opener it means Light will be found in the second slot and that the song that precedes it will be a meaningless 5 minute opener (Halley's Wilson) then a ~^-> into Light. That's what I call formulaic, maybe not in the Rolling Stones sense, but definitely in the Phish sense.
Definitely true, second set openers have been one of the biggest weak spots. But in
Poster's defense, I think overall setlist unpredictability has been one of the band's strong points in 3.0. There have been more bustouts/rarities/one-off covers than at pretty much any other time in the band's history - '98 is probably the only year that comes close. I'm sure if you looked at overall stats they would back that statement up.
I see what you're saying, but I think that given the number of new songs, rarities, and covers over the past 2 years, there's still a feeling that anything could be played on any given night. Out of all the possible complaints, setlist predictability seems to me like an odd thing to get hung up on.
EDIT: Not saying YOU are getting hung up on it, I just mean in general.
No worries, I'm not as concerned as I was with last year's formulaic approach to everything. This year has definitely tried to address these issues. I have, however, made a list of this year's second set openers just for.......fun :hereitisyousentimentalbastard
6-11-Down with Disease
6-12-Rock and Roll
6-13-Drowned
6-15-Wilson>Seven Below
6-17-Party Time>Down With Disease
6-18-Halleys>Light
6-19-Rock and Roll
6-20-Carini
6-22-Mike's
6-24-Down with Disease
6-25-Chalkdust
6-26-Rock and Roll
6-27-Wilson
6-29-Possum
7-01-Backwards
7-02-Drowned
7-03-Rock and Roll
7-04-Down with Disease
8-05-Disease with Disease
8-06-Rock and Roll
8-07-Wilson>Light
8-09-Down with Disease
8-10-Party Time Mikes
8-12-Drowned
8-13-Halley's>Light
Quote from: whatapiper on August 14, 2010, 12:47:11 PM
Is it ever perfect?.....for everyone?
they are clearly loving it, a sure sign they are not going through the motions
Quote from: Superfreakie on August 14, 2010, 04:30:37 PM
No worries, I'm not as concerned as I was with last year's formulaic approach to everything. This year has definitely tried to address these issues. I have, however, made a list of this year's second set openers just for.......fun :hereitisyousentimentalbastard
6-11-Down with Disease
6-12-Rock and Roll
6-13-Drowned
6-15-Wilson>Seven Below
6-17-Party Time>Down With Disease
6-18-Halleys>Light
6-19-Rock and Roll
6-20-Carini
6-22-Mike's
6-24-Down with Disease
6-25-Chalkdust
6-26-Rock and Roll
6-27-Wilson
6-29-Possum
7-01-Backwards
7-02-Drowned
7-03-Rock and Roll
7-04-Down with Disease
8-05-Disease with Disease
8-06-Rock and Roll
8-07-Wilson>Light
8-09-Down with Disease
8-10-Party Time Mikes
8-12-Drowned
8-13-Halley's>Light
8-5 being the obvious favorite for it's inherent originality :hereitisyousentimentalbastard
Quote from: Superfreakie on August 14, 2010, 04:30:37 PM
No worries, I'm not as concerned as I was with last year's formulaic approach to everything. This year has definitely tried to address these issues. I have, however, made a list of this year's second set openers just for.......fun :hereitisyousentimentalbastard
6-11-Down with Disease
6-12-Rock and Roll
6-13-Drowned
6-15-Wilson>Seven Below
6-17-Party Time>Down With Disease
6-18-Halleys>Light
6-19-Rock and Roll
6-20-Carini
6-22-Mike's
6-24-Down with Disease
6-25-Chalkdust
6-26-Rock and Roll
6-27-Wilson
6-29-Possum
7-01-Backwards
7-02-Drowned
7-03-Rock and Roll
7-04-Down with Disease
8-05-Disease with Disease
8-06-Rock and Roll
8-07-Wilson>Light
8-09-Down with Disease
8-10-Party Time Mikes
8-12-Drowned
8-13-Halley's>Light
interesting data SF :mrgreen:
No way you would have done that with the old keyboard!
Quote from: G. Augusto on August 14, 2010, 04:46:45 PM
No way you would have done that with the old keyboard!
:hereitisyousentimentalbastard
Quote from: G. Augusto on August 14, 2010, 04:46:45 PM
No way you would have done that with the old keyboard!
lolz :-D
I find it interesting that Disease, Drowned and Rock and Roll are always so near each other in proximity. Rock and Roll may be a perfect call for tonight, seeing as Drowned was last night (friday) and today is Saturday.
Holy shit this Creek Gin is fucking balls nuts!!!! OMG TREY GREEOOOOGG!W!!@!@!!!!!!!! PAY JORGAN!!!! yeah! holy crap that was actually very good.
Quote from: Superfreakie on August 14, 2010, 04:30:37 PM
No worries, I'm not as concerned as I was with last year's formulaic approach to everything. This year has definitely tried to address these issues. I have, however, made a list of this year's second set openers just for.......fun :hereitisyousentimentalbastard
6-11-Down with Disease
6-12-Rock and Roll
6-13-Drowned
6-15-Wilson>Seven Below
6-17-Party Time>Down With Disease
6-18-Halleys>Light
6-19-Rock and Roll
6-20-Carini
6-22-Mike's
6-24-Down with Disease
6-25-Chalkdust
6-26-Rock and Roll
6-27-Wilson
6-29-Possum
7-01-Backwards
7-02-Drowned
7-03-Rock and Roll
7-04-Down with Disease
8-05-Disease with Disease
8-06-Rock and Roll
8-07-Wilson>Light
8-09-Sand
8-10-Party Time Mikes
8-12-Drowned
8-13-Halley's>Light
Sand opened 8-9 set 2.
I'll take more
8/13 set 2!!! :banana:
I think tonight was a pinnacle. Top to bottom.
Phish is the single greatest musical act in the history of the human race.
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on October 11, 2010, 04:57:14 AM
Phish is the single greatest musical act in the history of the human race.
drogas tanto?
Quote from: rowjimmy on October 11, 2010, 07:39:46 AM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on October 11, 2010, 04:57:14 AM
Phish is the single greatest musical act in the history of the human race.
drogas tanto?
El niño es tanto con drogas y con drogas no.
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on October 11, 2010, 04:57:14 AM
Phish is the single greatest musical act in the history of the human race.
phuck phish
Quote from: !cEm@n $l!m on October 11, 2010, 10:01:20 AM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on October 11, 2010, 04:57:14 AM
Phish is the single greatest musical act in the history of the human race.
phuck phish
:syf: :syf: :syf: :syf: :syf: :syf: :syf:
:)
uh..... yeah.
:rawk:
:phish:
I'm gonna go on record and state a 'Hell yeah!!'
Quote from: Phishy69 on October 20, 2010, 11:48:59 PM
I'm gonna go on record and state a 'Hell yeah!!'
I second that Motion, and would like to suggest an addendum, "Holy Fucksticks, Batman!!"
utucai wore the best phish shot wotnidht for prehallwoeneen.
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on October 21, 2010, 12:33:00 AM
utucai wore the best phish shot wotnidht for prehallwoeneen.
:?
Dizzzunnnkkkk Thread >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Quote from: The Dude on October 21, 2010, 12:41:33 AM
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on October 21, 2010, 12:33:00 AM
utucai wore the best phish shot wotnidht for prehallwoeneen.
:?
Dizzzunnnkkkk Thread >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
side effects of a real :phish: show may include: :crazy:, excessive :beerbang:, acting under the influence and unnecessary :rockout:
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on October 21, 2010, 12:33:00 AM
utucai wore the best phish shot wotnidht for prehallwoeneen.
best post ever.
Finally.
Finally.
I've waited 61 shows for tonight.
Finally.
:rawk:
Phish is fucking back, Scott. :beers:
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on October 21, 2010, 01:17:36 AM
Finally.
Finally.
I've waited 61 shows for tonight.
Finally.
:clap:
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on October 21, 2010, 01:17:36 AM
Finally.
Finally.
I've waited 61 shows for tonight.
Finally.
No more being envious of the big boys! If anything those sitting on their asses are now envious of you. The first REAL show since their return. :beers:
Quote from: thatfargone on October 21, 2010, 04:38:18 AM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on October 21, 2010, 01:17:36 AM
Finally.
Finally.
I've waited 61 shows for tonight.
Finally.
No more being envious of the big boys! If anything those sitting on their asses are now envious of you. The first REAL show since their return. :beers:
thatfargone is fucking back!!!!
Welcome back d00der!! :beers:
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on October 21, 2010, 01:17:36 AM
Finally.
Finally.
I've waited 61 shows for tonight.
Finally.
yeeehaw!
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on October 21, 2010, 01:17:36 AM
Finally.
Finally.
I've waited 61 shows for tonight.
Finally.
Right on.
My 61st show was 9/15/00.
Quote from: mattstick on October 21, 2010, 09:47:47 AM
My 61st show was 9/15/00.
my 61st show will be after I see 4 more shows. Damn, I've been seeing Phish for 17 years and :wtu: has seen more shows than me in 2 years. But I got to see them in 1.0 fashion. So I think I'm still ahead.
I only know that because it was my last show before the first hiatus. And because it was the single-season home run record # for so long.
charleston night 2 + augusta's reba + utica = yep, the boys are back :rockout:
Quote from: thatfargone on October 21, 2010, 01:10:06 PM
Quote from: mattstick on October 21, 2010, 09:47:47 AM
My 61st show was 9/15/00.
Hetty brah!
My 61st show was 8/17/96 - Clifford Ball night 2 - I know that because I didn't see a single show after that until 12/29/97. That was a 16 month gap with no shows for me.
my 61st show had to be in 99 like matts, not sure which though. probably later than mattsticks because i didnt see a lot of september shows that year, mostly summer and december.
The only reason I knew that was because 9/15/00 was the last show I saw before 12/31/02. And because of Roger Maris' HR record.
Quote from: mistercharlie on October 21, 2010, 09:19:33 AM
thatfargone is fucking back!!!!
Welcome back d00der!! :beers:
hey it was good meeting you thatfar.
i think we bumped into each other last night too (setbreak maybe?)
not sure tho, the temp in that building makes evrything a little hazy..
place was a fucking STEAM BATH. no joke.
Quote from: guyforget on October 21, 2010, 02:11:57 PM
my 61st show had to be in 99 like matts, not sure which though. probably later than mattsticks because i didnt see a lot of september shows that year, mostly summer and december.
2nd night of the Greek was my 61st, Pie Guy, lol, my 2nd show was your 61st!
Quote from: redrum on October 22, 2010, 01:38:28 AM
Quote from: mistercharlie on October 21, 2010, 09:19:33 AM
thatfargone is fucking back!!!!
Welcome back d00der!! :beers:
hey it was good meeting you thatfar.
i think we bumped into each other last night too (setbreak maybe?)
not sure tho, the temp in that building makes evrything a little hazy..
place was a fucking STEAM BATH. no joke.
Yeah! Great meeting you and messengerbird! I tapped you while passing by during set break @ Utica, yeah. I love that place...all the shows used to be like that. I like the steam when it means it was from us getting the fuck down.
I'd just like to say I support the title of this thread now. Thank you
phish never really left (except coventry and a few others), but trey is back which means the PHiSH machine is back in full force.
fall tour 2010 is awesomeness and anybody that still needs or expects more needs to recalibrate their minds.
Quote from: Kilgore_Trout on October 22, 2010, 01:45:21 PM
phish never really left (except coventry and a few others), but trey is back which means the PHiSH machine is back in full force.
fall tour 2010 is awesomeness and anybody that still needs or expects more needs to recalibrate their minds.
I applaud your name (LOVE VONNEGUT!!), but must respectfully disagree with your sentiment. Trey is not "back", nor is the machine in full force. That train is moving in a good direction, but come on. Trey's chops are not what they used to be.
Now Mike, Page, and Fish, well that's a different story.
Also, welcome to the 'paug! :beers:
trey is never gonna be machine gun trey of 1992 if that is what you are looking for. and as much as i like those days it held the rest of the band back, imho. mike has been carrying the band 3.0 and it is obvious. trey can at least keep up for the most part now and is trying to explore now that he has the basics back. 3.0 was average until this tour. they are bringing it big time. i had more fun in charleston the past weekend than i had since maybe hampton 97, fwiw.
to each their own, but the machine is no longer stuck in first gear and the highway is ahead of them to open up the throttle.
thanks for the welcome. :beerbang:
Quote from: Mr Minor on October 22, 2010, 01:58:10 PM
Also, welcome to the 'paug! :beers:
Yes, welcome! :beers:
Quote from: Kilgore_Trout on October 22, 2010, 02:04:55 PM
trey is never gonna be machine gun trey of 1992 if that is what you are looking for. and as much as i like those days it held the rest of the band back, imho. mike has been carrying the band 3.0 and it is obvious. trey can at least keep up for the most part now and is trying to explore now that he has the basics back. 3.0 was average until this tour. they are bringing it big time. i had more fun in charleston the past weekend than i had since maybe hampton 97, fwiw.
to each their own, but the machine is no longer stuck in first gear and the highway is ahead of them to open up the throttle.
thanks for the welcome. :beerbang:
Stop being coherent!
Also, welcome. Tits or GTFO
Quote from: kellerb on October 22, 2010, 06:00:32 PM
Also, welcome. Tits or GTFO
okay i guess, but should i shave my nips first?
my fav vonnegut character is eliot rosewater. :mrgreen:
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on October 22, 2010, 07:30:41 PM
my fav vonnegut character is eliot rosewater. :mrgreen:
but did you vote for him? and have you adapted the new naming system?
Quote from: Kilgore_Trout on October 22, 2010, 07:41:08 PM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on October 22, 2010, 07:30:41 PM
my fav vonnegut character is eliot rosewater. :mrgreen:
but did you vote for him? and have you adapted the new naming system?
no, i've just been blackout drunk for many years giving away money to the poor.
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on October 22, 2010, 07:44:48 PM
Quote from: Kilgore_Trout on October 22, 2010, 07:41:08 PM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on October 22, 2010, 07:30:41 PM
my fav vonnegut character is eliot rosewater. :mrgreen:
but did you vote for him? and have you adapted the new naming system?
no, i've just been blackout drunk for many years giving away money to the poor.
and buying stacks of porn mag/science fiction short stories. i likey.
Quote from: Kilgore_Trout on October 22, 2010, 07:48:25 PM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on October 22, 2010, 07:44:48 PM
Quote from: Kilgore_Trout on October 22, 2010, 07:41:08 PM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on October 22, 2010, 07:30:41 PM
my fav vonnegut character is eliot rosewater. :mrgreen:
but did you vote for him? and have you adapted the new naming system?
no, i've just been blackout drunk for many years giving away money to the poor.
and buying stacks of porn mag/science fiction short stories. i likey.
who told?
You guys are fucked.
Quote from: Phishy69 on October 22, 2010, 11:57:56 PM
You guys are fucked.
then why do you keep pm'ing me for "favre pics" whatever that means......
Phish is fucking back!!!!!!
O.K., not really, but I will say the last few shows have been really solid for 3.0 shows. Definitely an improvement is happening. By the last few I really only mean 22-26th.
I wonder what would happen if they went back to their long practice sessions in the off season. I could only imagine they would start tours with the h33t rather than crap.
Well I am actually looking forward to Halloween shows now...
Quote from: Mr Minor on October 28, 2010, 06:26:37 PM
Phish is fucking back!!!!!!
O.K., not really, but I will say the last few shows have been really solid for 3.0 shows. Definitely an improvement is happening. By the last few I really only mean 22-26th.
I wonder what would happen if they went back to their long practice sessions in the off season. I could only imagine they would start tours with the h33t rather than crap.
Well I am actually looking forward to Halloween shows now...
Sweet Blog.
Quote from: Mr Minor on October 28, 2010, 06:26:37 PM
Phish is fucking back!!!!!!
O.K., not really, but I will say the last few shows have been really solid for 3.0 shows. Definitely an improvement is happening. By the last few I really only mean 22-26th.
I wonder what would happen if they went back to their long practice sessions in the off season. I could only imagine they would start tours with the h33t rather than crap.
Well I am actually looking forward to Halloween shows now...
Broomfield 1 and 2 while not mind blowing were far from crap IMO.
Also, no love for Utica?
Utica is undoubtedly the best of the tour for me.
Quote from: Hicks on October 28, 2010, 06:31:29 PM
Quote from: Mr Minor on October 28, 2010, 06:26:37 PM
Phish is fucking back!!!!!!
O.K., not really, but I will say the last few shows have been really solid for 3.0 shows. Definitely an improvement is happening. By the last few I really only mean 22-26th.
I wonder what would happen if they went back to their long practice sessions in the off season. I could only imagine they would start tours with the h33t rather than crap.
Well I am actually looking forward to Halloween shows now...
Broomfield 1 and 2 while not mind blowing were far from crap IMO.
Also, no love for Utica?
Utica was fun, but not amazing playing. But I will say that being there was probably a blast. But the early shows of this tour were just too much slop for the few moments of sweetness. It's not all crap from those early shows, but these last few shows have been good enough to consider a second listen.
Page in McGrupp on teh 20th was sweet in that funky jam. But Trey goes and f's up the re-entry to McGrupp after the jam. That's my big problem with a lot of these shows.
/just saying
Quote from: G. Augusto on October 28, 2010, 06:29:22 PM
Sweet Blog.
Thanks.
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on October 28, 2010, 06:39:37 PM
Utica is undoubtedly the best of the tour for me.
my favorite for sure.
bump?
Last night was awesome.
i'll be the asshole -
rehearsed jams does not equal "fucking back," in my book.
i listened to last night as quickly as i could (being in the mountain west helps alot), and i think its awesome. i love zeppelin, i love phish, the chalkdust and tweeze medley are awesome, but...
its not "fucking back" material if what we're looking for is improvisational bliss. (and i, for one, am.)
i still love last night, but i'm not breaking out my "fucking back" stamp until they really PROVE it.
Quote from: guyforget on October 31, 2010, 01:38:13 PM
i'll be the asshole -
rehearsed jams does not equal "fucking back," in my book.
i listened to last night as quickly as i could (being in the mountain west helps alot), and i think its awesome. i love zeppelin, i love phish, the chalkdust and tweeze medley are awesome, but...
its not "fucking back" material if what we're looking for is improvisational bliss. (and i, for one, am.)
i still love last night, but i'm not breaking out my "fucking back" stamp until they really PROVE it.
i mostly agree with you. while i'm still waiting for the spontaneity factor, you gotta love last night. i'm not going to complain about something that sounds that good, i'll just hope they continue to build on it
Quote from: guyforget on October 31, 2010, 01:38:13 PM
i'll be the asshole -
rehearsed jams does not equal "fucking back," in my book.
i listened to last night as quickly as i could (being in the mountain west helps alot), and i think its awesome. i love zeppelin, i love phish, the chalkdust and tweeze medley are awesome, but...
its not "fucking back" material if what we're looking for is improvisational bliss. (and i, for one, am.)
i still love last night, but i'm not breaking out my "fucking back" stamp until they really PROVE it.
werd.
do me a favor Guy , since it seems you are pretty much on the level with how i judge phish these days.
shoot me a PM when "IT" actually happens, so i know its safe to listen to shows again.
thx.
Last night's show is a whole lotta awesome.
hate away.
Quote from: rowjimmy on October 31, 2010, 02:18:44 PM
Last night's show is a whole lotta awesome.
hate away.
hate?
why?
I've had fun listening to a lot of shows starting with the Greek. Greek 3, some of the Co shows, Utica, Manchester, and last night come to mind.
That's not the same as listening for critical analysis, writing a seniors thesis, or looking smart on a message board.
Just having fun.
As much fun as I've had listening to some shows (not all) from the 90s.
fwiw, I checked LP archival releases, many well regarded shows from 94-5 have 0 or 1 tune that clocks in over 15 min.
so yea, I'd like more jams- and I won't say there totally fucking back until they have fewer off nights (but they had those in 1.0 too), but there's plenty to like.
if you look for fuck ups and things to hate,you'll find it.
whatever you're into
They are at the very least "mostly" back.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_VLIWfH-j2Fo/S4_EaqLIBHI/AAAAAAAAC2c/lnPR7WwuIzc/s320/MiracleMax.jpg)
Quote from: Hicks on October 31, 2010, 02:36:45 PM
They are at the very least "mostly" back.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_VLIWfH-j2Fo/S4_EaqLIBHI/AAAAAAAAC2c/lnPR7WwuIzc/s320/MiracleMax.jpg)
to blaaave
Quote from: slslbs on October 31, 2010, 02:36:35 PM
fwiw, I checked LP archival releases, many well regarded shows from 94-5 have 0 or 1 tune that clocks in over 15 min.
This is kinda how I feel. They're back to what they did in '93. They are playing shows almost on par with that year.
Quote from: mistercharlie on October 31, 2010, 02:39:22 PM
Quote from: slslbs on October 31, 2010, 02:36:35 PM
fwiw, I checked LP archival releases, many well regarded shows from 94-5 have 0 or 1 tune that clocks in over 15 min.
This is kinda how I feel. They're back to what they did in '93. They are playing shows almost on par with that year.
Dunno bout that. 93 is in my top three years evar.
Quote from: Hicks on October 31, 2010, 02:41:57 PM
Quote from: mistercharlie on October 31, 2010, 02:39:22 PM
Quote from: slslbs on October 31, 2010, 02:36:35 PM
fwiw, I checked LP archival releases, many well regarded shows from 94-5 have 0 or 1 tune that clocks in over 15 min.
This is kinda how I feel. They're back to what they did in '93. They are playing shows almost on par with that year.
Dunno bout that. 93 is in my top three years evar.
mine, too. might actually be my overall favorite and i wouldn't say they're quite back to playing at that level (consistently anyway, they have reached highs that rival some '93 shit). if they aren't "fucking back" just yet, they are certainly well on their way
Love 93.
Not there - yet
getting there.
The one thing that I've really been noticing about these shows and the thing that has really been lacking is they aren't playing with sense of urgency. Back in 1.0 it felt they were forcing themselves to hold back, but it was because people's heads would start to explode, now that sense of urgency is gone from their playing, it just feels like they're holding themselves back because they've lost their confidence.
I think its funny how peeps say Phish is back or Phish is '93. Phish are what they are today. I've accepted who they are and realize they will never be who they were in the past. Phish is back in the sense of yes they are playing shows and performing again but Phish, the consistent improvisational juggernaut are not.
Phish playing with creativity and a sense of fun and adventure is a good thing.
Last not was NOT one of those 'safe' shows that we've been seeing all year.
Quote from: rowjimmy on October 31, 2010, 03:47:57 PM
Phish playing with creativity and a sense of fun and adventure is a good thing.
Last not was NOT one of those 'safe' shows that we've been seeing all year.
yep.
Quote from: susep73 on October 31, 2010, 03:42:57 PM
I think its funny how peeps say Phish is back or Phish is '93. Phish are what they are today. I've accepted who they are and realize they will never be who they were in the past. Phish is back in the sense of yes they are playing shows and performing again but Phish, the consistent improvisational juggernaut are not.
:clap:
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on October 31, 2010, 05:08:07 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on October 31, 2010, 03:47:57 PM
Phish playing with creativity and a sense of fun and adventure is a good thing.
Last not was NOT one of those 'safe' shows that we've been seeing all year.
yep.
I'd like to think they're moving in that direction
if you guys can't get into the Type II moments from Utica and Manchester, however small they are, then you should stop trying.
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on October 31, 2010, 07:52:59 PM
if you guys can't get into the Type II moments from Utica and Manchester, however small they are, then you should stop trying.
LOL @ "type II moments"
Whatever you're taking, please pass my way. Stop reaching kid. It's not there.
I have a very important announcement to make later today or maybe tomorrow.
:wtu:
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on November 01, 2010, 09:47:15 AM
I have a very important announcement to make later today or maybe tomorrow.
:wtu:
Do tell...
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on November 01, 2010, 09:47:15 AM
I have a very important announcement to make later today or maybe tomorrow.
:wtu:
Are you pregnant? :mrgreen:
Breakfast soon?
Quote from: birdman on November 01, 2010, 10:24:59 AM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on November 01, 2010, 09:47:15 AM
I have a very important announcement to make later today or maybe tomorrow.
:wtu:
Are you pregnant? :mrgreen:
Breakfast soon?
whoa whoa whoa,
wuts going in on here?
btw, bman u missed 1st round of brkfast, but i recommend the french toast & bacon if u havent had it yet. Its a win.
Will do on the bacon.
Quote from: birdman on November 01, 2010, 10:51:13 AM
Will do on the bacon.
u heading back down now?
i'm thinking of getting another turkey/gravy/mashed/stuffing/cranberry plate b4 i roll out..
Finally, I can officially endorse this thread! :music:
Also sorry I missed breakfast and meeting up with u guys....
I really want to see shows. I really need to see shows. I'M FUCKING DYING HERE PEOPLE!!
Goddamn the fucking bureaucracies, their paperwork and red tape.
Quote from: redrum on November 01, 2010, 10:32:46 AM
Quote from: birdman on November 01, 2010, 10:24:59 AM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on November 01, 2010, 09:47:15 AM
I have a very important announcement to make later today or maybe tomorrow.
:wtu:
Are you pregnant? :mrgreen:
Breakfast soon?
whoa whoa whoa,
wuts going in on here?
btw, bman u missed 1st round of brkfast, but i recommend the french toast & bacon if u havent had it yet. Its a win.
Red stays up all night to get first dibs on the breakky buffet.
Quote from: Caravan2001 on November 01, 2010, 01:52:29 PM
Also sorry I missed breakfast and meeting up with u guys....
sorry we missed each other too.
guess it wasn't meant to be yet..
nye msg?
either way glad you made it out todd.
i thought the LF album killed.
btw, pics were taken at todays final breakfast.
gettin some pics up now..
So :wtu:, did you drink out of a dog dish all weekend, or just for that meal?
Quote from: kellerb on November 01, 2010, 10:54:50 PM
So :wtu:, did you drink out of a dog dish all weekend, or just for that meal?
dino boogie vid uploading now...
(and its not just that he drank out of a doggie dish its
what he drank)
:hereitisyousentimentalbastard
"I'M SOOOOOOO HUUUUUNNNGGGRRRRRRRYYYYYYYY"
(one bite into hamburger)
"I can't eat it this......." :wtu:=(http://images.zaazu.com/img/vomit-boy01-vomit-puke-sick-smiley-emoticon-000652-medium.gif)
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on November 02, 2010, 12:54:40 AM
:hereitisyousentimentalbastard
"I'M SOOOOOOO HUUUUUNNNGGGRRRRRRRYYYYYYYY"
(one bite into hamburger)
"I can't eat it this......." :wtu:=(http://images.zaazu.com/img/vomit-boy01-vomit-puke-sick-smiley-emoticon-000652-medium.gif)
:lol:
good stuff
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on November 01, 2010, 09:47:15 AM
I have a very important announcement to make later today or maybe tomorrow.
:wtu:
Duder!
I wish Paul was back. The sound is pretty thin and digital these days.
Quote from: mattstick on November 02, 2010, 03:58:51 PM
I wish Paul was back. The sound is pretty thin and digital these days.
No shit, and dude can't even keep the mics from feeding back...after almost 2 years. At least once a show there is an extremely bush league sound issue.
Quote from: JPhishman on November 02, 2010, 04:19:43 PM
Quote from: G. Augusto on November 02, 2010, 03:58:09 PM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on November 01, 2010, 09:47:15 AM
I have a very important announcement to make later today or maybe tomorrow.
:wtu:
Duder!
:?
still waiting.....
i asked WTU what it was when we were leavin the AC hotel and he had no idea what i was talkin about, i think that he had no recollection of posting this lol
(oh no! no caps or a period!!!)
Quote from: qop24 on November 02, 2010, 04:35:07 PM
Quote from: JPhishman on November 02, 2010, 04:19:43 PM
Quote from: G. Augusto on November 02, 2010, 03:58:09 PM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on November 01, 2010, 09:47:15 AM
I have a very important announcement to make later today or maybe tomorrow.
:wtu:
Duder!
:?
still waiting.....
i asked WTU what it was when we were leavin the AC hotel and he had no idea what i was talkin about, i think that he had no recollection of posting this lol
ummm, maybe i'm wrong but i think the annoucement is rather obvious.... :roll:
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on November 02, 2010, 09:04:03 PM
Quote from: qop24 on November 02, 2010, 04:35:07 PM
Quote from: JPhishman on November 02, 2010, 04:19:43 PM
Quote from: G. Augusto on November 02, 2010, 03:58:09 PM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on November 01, 2010, 09:47:15 AM
I have a very important announcement to make later today or maybe tomorrow.
:wtu:
Duder!
:?
still waiting.....
i asked WTU what it was when we were leavin the AC hotel and he had no idea what i was talkin about, i think that he had no recollection of posting this lol
ummm, maybe i'm wrong but i think the annoucement is rather obvious.... :roll:
SSIA?
Quote from: mistercharlie on November 02, 2010, 09:05:19 PM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on November 02, 2010, 09:04:03 PM
Quote from: qop24 on November 02, 2010, 04:35:07 PM
Quote from: JPhishman on November 02, 2010, 04:19:43 PM
Quote from: G. Augusto on November 02, 2010, 03:58:09 PM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on November 01, 2010, 09:47:15 AM
I have a very important announcement to make later today or maybe tomorrow.
:wtu:
Duder!
:?
still waiting.....
i asked WTU what it was when we were leavin the AC hotel and he had no idea what i was talkin about, i think that he had no recollection of posting this lol
ummm, maybe i'm wrong but i think the annoucement is rather obvious.... :roll:
SSIA?
now your're thinkin.
every time i see this thread title i want to make a butt sex joke....
/just sayin
Quote from: guyforget on November 03, 2010, 04:15:15 AM
every time i see this thread title i want to make a butt sex joke....
/just sayin
'All right we're gonna play house. Do you want to be the Husband or the Wife?'...
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on March 08, 2009, 12:59:15 AM
Had to start a new thread im so excited right now, Just got back from the best show of my life.
Honestyly, that second set was likely the best set played since 97-98!
Bump....
Looking forward to more of these this Summer.... :wink:
Quote from: G. Augusto on May 13, 2011, 08:09:12 PM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on March 08, 2009, 12:59:15 AM
Had to start a new thread im so excited right now, Just got back from the best show of my life.
Honestyly, that second set was likely the best set played since 97-98!
Bump....
Looking forward to more of these this Summer.... :wink:
:-D
Don't worry, I'll be here to entertain you all summer long. :wtu:
Bless you, Scotty.
Quote from: sunrisevt on May 14, 2011, 06:10:57 AM
Bless you, Scotty.
Love the enthusiasm, keep it up man.
bump
the show had its moments, but that was brutal.
Trey has botched every Coil since '95, so it's no big deal.
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on May 28, 2011, 12:22:59 PM
Trey has botched every Coil since '95, so it's no big deal.
:-D
yeah but for some reason a botch in '95 sounds 100 times better than a botch in 2011.
Quote from: blatboom on May 28, 2011, 01:44:03 PM
yeah but for some reason a botch in '95 sounds 100 times better than a botch in 2011.
Context, man, context.
A botch during a fire show is mad forgivable in my book.
Quote from: phil on May 28, 2011, 02:11:36 PM
Quote from: blatboom on May 28, 2011, 01:44:03 PM
yeah but for some reason a botch in '95 sounds 100 times better than a botch in 2011.
Context, man, context.
A botch during a fire show is mad forgivable in my book.
depends on where it is in the song, a botch like starlake 09 bowie, is just unexceptable even during a fire show. If they botch something in the beginning and pull thru then it can be alright. Still disrupts the flow of the show, IMO
Quote from: emayPhishyMD on May 28, 2011, 04:33:50 PM
Quote from: phil on May 28, 2011, 02:11:36 PM
Quote from: blatboom on May 28, 2011, 01:44:03 PM
yeah but for some reason a botch in '95 sounds 100 times better than a botch in 2011.
Context, man, context.
A botch during a fire show is mad forgivable in my book.
depends on where it is in the song, a botch like starlake 09 bowie, is just unexceptable even during a fire show. If they botch something in the beginning and pull thru then it can be alright. Still disrupts the flow of the show, IMO
Almost as unacceptable as your spelling. :-D
Signed. Phish is fucking back.
"brad said we missed a couple of changes? Haha. I could care less. That room was hopping. It's all about that energy. To me last night was rockin!"
/with apologies... I know that's not te quote, but you get h idea.
So should I quit my job?
Quote from: danje on May 29, 2011, 02:36:10 AM
So should I quit my job?
regardless of the phish, i say 'yes'
Last night's show has made me even more excited for UIC!
Quote from: rowjimmy on May 29, 2011, 09:22:29 AM
Quote from: danje on May 29, 2011, 02:36:10 AM
So should I quit my job?
In THIS economy?
You are forgetting when you figure in opportunity cost, its not such a terrible idea.
i have been putting off a decision on SBIX tix but if these reports continue to roll in, I may have to bight the bullet and go.
Quote from: PIE-GUY on May 29, 2011, 02:02:47 AM
Signed. Phish is fucking back.
"brad said we missed a couple of changes? Haha. I could care less. That room was hopping. It's all about that energy. To me last night was rockin!"
/with apologies... I know that's not te quote, but you get h idea.
I want more bittersweet motel footage!
Quote from: roggae on May 29, 2011, 10:03:08 AM
Quote from: PIE-GUY on May 29, 2011, 02:02:47 AM
Signed. Phish is fucking back.
"brad said we missed a couple of changes? Haha. I could care less. That room was hopping. It's all about that energy. To me last night was rockin!"
/with apologies... I know that's not te quote, but you get h idea.
I want more bittersweet motel footage!
Deluxe Blu-Ray edition with bonus footage that Todd Phillips was too clueless to include.
Quote from: rowjimmy on May 29, 2011, 10:55:13 AM
Quote from: roggae on May 29, 2011, 10:03:08 AM
Quote from: PIE-GUY on May 29, 2011, 02:02:47 AM
Signed. Phish is fucking back.
"brad said we missed a couple of changes? Haha. I could care less. That room was hopping. It's all about that energy. To me last night was rockin!"
/with apologies... I know that's not te quote, but you get h idea.
I want more bittersweet motel footage!
Deluxe Blu-Ray edition with bonus footage that Todd "i'm here for the gangbang" Phillips was too clueless to include.
Fyp
anyone read phishthoughts today?
Quote from: whatapiper on May 29, 2011, 02:11:15 PM
anyone read phishthoughts today?
He definitely thinks Phish is back! :wink:
Quote from: whatapiper on May 29, 2011, 02:11:15 PM
anyone read phishthoughts today?
The show was good... but damn that takes fluffing to a whole new level.
Quote from: McGrupp on May 29, 2011, 02:24:14 PM
Quote from: whatapiper on May 29, 2011, 02:11:15 PM
anyone read phishthoughts today?
The show was good... but damn that takes fluffing to a whole new level.
Dude fluff's like its his job... Also his insane amounts of adjectives always get me too.
Quote from: McGrupp on May 29, 2011, 02:24:14 PM
Quote from: whatapiper on May 29, 2011, 02:11:15 PM
anyone read phishthoughts today?
The show was good... but damn that takes fluffing to a whole new level.
I haven't listened to either show yet, but I had to stop reading after the 5th sentence when he said this:
Quote from: Mr. Minor
Phish let us in on a secret: they are as good, if not better, than at any point in their career.
Quote from: runawayjimbo on May 29, 2011, 02:31:26 PM
Quote from: McGrupp on May 29, 2011, 02:24:14 PM
Quote from: whatapiper on May 29, 2011, 02:11:15 PM
anyone read phishthoughts today?
The show was good... but damn that takes fluffing to a whole new level.
I haven't listened to either show yet, but I had to stop reading after the 5th sentence when he said this:
Quote from: Mr. Minor
Phish let us in on a secret: they are as good, if not better, than at any point in their career.
I stopped after the first night's review when he said something like "Phish met their fans on the astral plane".
Dude is as clueless as ever.
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on May 29, 2011, 02:32:22 PM
Quote from: runawayjimbo on May 29, 2011, 02:31:26 PM
Quote from: McGrupp on May 29, 2011, 02:24:14 PM
Quote from: whatapiper on May 29, 2011, 02:11:15 PM
anyone read phishthoughts today?
The show was good... but damn that takes fluffing to a whole new level.
I haven't listened to either show yet, but I had to stop reading after the 5th sentence when he said this:
Quote from: Mr. Minor
Phish let us in on a secret: they are as good, if not better, than at any point in their career.
I stopped after the first night's review when he said something like "Phish met their fans on the astral plane".
I stopped reading his crap last year. Statistically speaking, I find the paug to be a much better sampling, it's scientifically significant.
dude is writing a book! http://phishthoughtsbook.com/ :beerbang:
Quote from: Hicks on May 29, 2011, 02:36:23 PM
Dude is as clueless as ever.
my wife told me this morning, "i read on phishthoughts phish played their best show ever last night." :hereitisyousentimentalbastard
::I'm all about phish being back or getting back or on tour or whatever :-P , the above post in no way undermines the excitement of any former poster(s)::
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on May 29, 2011, 02:45:04 PM
dude is writing a book! http://phishthoughtsbook.com/ :beerbang:
is wtu gonna be his editor?
:shakehead:
Quote from: goodabouthood on May 29, 2011, 02:49:03 PM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on May 29, 2011, 02:45:04 PM
dude is writing a book! http://phishthoughtsbook.com/ :beerbang:
is wtu gonna be his editor?
:shakehead:
You misspelled "Gumbo"
Fluffhead would be the appropriate title imo
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on May 29, 2011, 02:49:31 PM
Quote from: goodabouthood on May 29, 2011, 02:49:03 PM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on May 29, 2011, 02:45:04 PM
dude is writing a book! http://phishthoughtsbook.com/ :beerbang:
is wtu gonna be his editor?
:shakehead:
You misspelled "Gumbo"
I've been drinking. sorry. :hereitisyousentimentalbastard
pretty sure Gumbo is writing the forward
Quote from: whatapiper on May 29, 2011, 02:53:30 PM
pretty sure Gumbo is writing the forward
:desperately awaits a rowjimmy prediction of how that might read:
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on May 29, 2011, 02:45:04 PM
dude is writing compiling a book of crappy words he's already written.
Fyp
Quote from: whatapiper on May 29, 2011, 02:53:30 PM
pretty sure Gumbo is writing the forward
As it happens, I've acquired an advanced copy.
Dudes.
Back in the day or so I'm told cos I was like in grade school, Phish destroyed America and Europe and even a little bit of Japan and shit was amazing. Trey could take the stage, pull one string and be all bawannnga bwang bwop bop and kids would come to life die and jizz themselfs all in the time it took for those notes to fly out of the speakers. You could just hear the Camden Chalkdust in almost every show and no fuckin body could touch what they were doing. Mike was beating the audience about the ears with walloping galumphs of bass beauty and Fish could play 128th notes with his right hand wile keeping straight 5/8 time with his feet and left hand. and Ohmyfucking gahhhhh!!!!!HDHSfhosfhskhfs!@!!!!
Paaaaaaayyyyyy Joooooorgan ripped the world apart when he was playing the piano and stitching it back together.
That was the greatest music ever made. Fucking Mozart was a hack. I mena not a hack cos clearly, if you know anything about music dude knew what was up did you know that he invented the practice of downtuning a violin? and he also invented the modern piano concerto mostly because he wanted to show his own badassed chops. bitches were all swooning cos of that and corsets. corsets are crazy hot and i mean that in the way like sexy and temperature cos my girlfriend, when she brings me chicken wings after the shows she sometimes wears one but not in the summer cos its way unsafe to pass out when you're driving cos one second you're crusing along and BLAMMO! fucking dead. Not cool.
So now it's 2011.
Phish has taken all of that amazing awesom e and quintuple tripled it and mashed it with the sloppy gobbldeygook of ph which was so inspired and misunderstood by fake fans who just pretended to like phish and now they can come out and blaaarrrrggghhhh111!!@@ wtfbbqapplesauce!!!!@@!#!#s chit gets fucking real and i mean real like crazy real like on the real world and shit like that. All you people need to do is just stop oyour little add brains and listen for a second and you'll hear it. You'll be sitting there and sudden;y find yourself all guuh! omgimapoolofjizzandshitandwtfimflyingwithapinkunicorn!WRH)U2)23DH#DH30hd!!!
Or you could read this fucking book and you'll see what's up.
Quote from: rowjimmy on May 29, 2011, 03:18:58 PM
Quote from: whatapiper on May 29, 2011, 02:53:30 PM
pretty sure Gumbo is writing the forward
As it happens, I've acquired an advanced copy.
Dudes.
Back in the day or so I'm told cos I was like in grade school, Phish destroyed America and Europe and even a little bit of Japan and shit was amazing. Trey could take the stage, pull one string and be all bawannnga bwang bwop bop and kids would come to life die and jizz themselfs all in the time it took for those notes to fly out of the speakers. You could just hear the Camden Chalkdust in almost every show and no fuckin body could touch what they were doing. Mike was beating the audience about the ears with walloping galumphs of bass beauty and Fish could play 128th notes with his right hand wile keeping straight 5/8 time with his feet and left hand. and Ohmyfucking gahhhhh!!!!!HDHSfhosfhskhfs!@!!!!
Paaaaaaayyyyyy Joooooorgan ripped the world apart when he was playing the piano and stitching it back together.
That was the greatest music ever made. Fucking Mozart was a hack. I mena not a hack cos clearly, if you know anything about music dude knew what was up did you know that he invented the practice of downtuning a violin? and he also invented the modern piano concerto mostly because he wanted to show his own badassed chops. bitches were all swooning cos of that and corsets. corsets are crazy hot and i mean that in the way like sexy and temperature cos my girlfriend, when she brings me chicken wings after the shows she sometimes wears one but not in the summer cos its way unsafe to pass out when you're driving cos one second you're crusing along and BLAMMO! fucking dead. Not cool.
So now it's 2011.
Phish has taken all of that amazing awesom e and quintuple tripled it and mashed it with the sloppy gobbldeygook of ph which was so inspired and misunderstood by fake fans who just pretended to like phish and now they can come out and blaaarrrrggghhhh111!!@@ wtfbbqapplesauce!!!!@@!#!#s chit gets fucking real and i mean real like crazy real like on the real world and shit like that. All you people need to do is just stop oyour little add brains and listen for a second and you'll hear it. You'll be sitting there and sudden;y find yourself all guuh! omgimapoolofjizzandshitandwtfimflyingwithapinkunicorn!WRH)U2)23DH#DH30hd!!!
Or you could read this fucking book and you'll see what's up.
Pure genius. :clap:
Quote from: rowjimmy on May 29, 2011, 03:18:58 PM
Quote from: whatapiper on May 29, 2011, 02:53:30 PM
pretty sure Gumbo is writing the forward
As it happens, I've acquired an advanced copy.
Dudes.
Back in the day or so I'm told cos I was like in grade school, Phish destroyed America and Europe and even a little bit of Japan and shit was amazing. Trey could take the stage, pull one string and be all bawannnga bwang bwop bop and kids would come to life die and jizz themselfs all in the time it took for those notes to fly out of the speakers. You could just hear the Camden Chalkdust in almost every show and no fuckin body could touch what they were doing. Mike was beating the audience about the ears with walloping galumphs of bass beauty and Fish could play 128th notes with his right hand wile keeping straight 5/8 time with his feet and left hand. and Ohmyfucking gahhhhh!!!!!HDHSfhosfhskhfs!@!!!!
Paaaaaaayyyyyy Joooooorgan ripped the world apart when he was playing the piano and stitching it back together.
That was the greatest music ever made. Fucking Mozart was a hack. I mena not a hack cos clearly, if you know anything about music dude knew what was up did you know that he invented the practice of downtuning a violin? and he also invented the modern piano concerto mostly because he wanted to show his own badassed chops. bitches were all swooning cos of that and corsets. corsets are crazy hot and i mean that in the way like sexy and temperature cos my girlfriend, when she brings me chicken wings after the shows she sometimes wears one but not in the summer cos its way unsafe to pass out when you're driving cos one second you're crusing along and BLAMMO! fucking dead. Not cool.
So now it's 2011.
Phish has taken all of that amazing awesom e and quintuple tripled it and mashed it with the sloppy gobbldeygook of ph which was so inspired and misunderstood by fake fans who just pretended to like phish and now they can come out and blaaarrrrggghhhh111!!@@ wtfbbqapplesauce!!!!@@!#!#s chit gets fucking real and i mean real like crazy real like on the real world and shit like that. All you people need to do is just stop oyour little add brains and listen for a second and you'll hear it. You'll be sitting there and sudden;y find yourself all guuh! omgimapoolofjizzandshitandwtfimflyingwithapinkunicorn!WRH)U2)23DH#DH30hd!!!
Or you could read this fucking book and you'll see what's up.
It's funny cause it's true.
"crazy real like on the real world"
:cry:
i especially love the 2nd paragraph :clap:
:clap: :clap: :clap:
@@ wtfbbqapplesauce!!!
:hereitisyousentimentalbastard
its the typewriter font that really pushes it over :-D
Quote from: gumbo
Dudes.
Back in the day or so I'm told cos I was like in grade school, Phish destroyed America and Europe and even a little bit of Japan and shit was amazing. Trey could take the stage, pull one string and be all bawannnga bwang bwop bop and kids would come to life die and jizz themselfs all in the time it took for those notes to fly out of the speakers. You could just hear the Camden Chalkdust in almost every show and no fuckin body could touch what they were doing. Mike was beating the audience about the ears with walloping galumphs of bass beauty and Fish could play 128th notes with his right hand wile keeping straight 5/8 time with his feet and left hand. and Ohmyfucking gahhhhh!!!!!HDHSfhosfhskhfs!@!!!!
Paaaaaaayyyyyy Joooooorgan ripped the world apart when he was playing the piano and stitching it back together.
That was the greatest music ever made. Fucking Mozart was a hack. I mena not a hack cos clearly, if you know anything about music dude knew what was up did you know that he invented the practice of downtuning a violin? and he also invented the modern piano concerto mostly because he wanted to show his own badassed chops. bitches were all swooning cos of that and corsets. corsets are crazy hot and i mean that in the way like sexy and temperature cos my girlfriend, when she brings me chicken wings after the shows she sometimes wears one but not in the summer cos its way unsafe to pass out when you're driving cos one second you're crusing along and BLAMMO! fucking dead. Not cool.
So now it's 2011.
Phish has taken all of that amazing awesom e and quintuple tripled it and mashed it with the sloppy gobbldeygook of ph which was so inspired and misunderstood by fake fans who just pretended to like phish and now they can come out and blaaarrrrggghhhh111!!@@ wtfbbqapplesauce!!!!@@!#!#s chit gets fucking real and i mean real like crazy real like on the real world and shit like that. All you people need to do is just stop oyour little add brains and listen for a second and you'll hear it. You'll be sitting there and sudden;y find yourself all guuh! omgimapoolofjizzandshitandwtfimflyingwithapinkunicorn!WRH)U2)23DH#DH30hd!!!
Or you could read this fucking book and you'll see what's up.
Gumbo: never change.
I can't wait until I get the chance to mention Mike's "walloping galumphs of bass beauty". :hereitisyousentimentalbastard
brilliant rj :clap:
rj wins.
Quote from: kellerb on May 29, 2011, 05:23:39 PM
Quote from: gumbo
Dudes.
Back in the day or so I'm told cos I was like in grade school, Phish destroyed America and Europe and even a little bit of Japan and shit was amazing. Trey could take the stage, pull one string and be all bawannnga bwang bwop bop and kids would come to life die and jizz themselfs all in the time it took for those notes to fly out of the speakers. You could just hear the Camden Chalkdust in almost every show and no fuckin body could touch what they were doing. Mike was beating the audience about the ears with walloping galumphs of bass beauty and Fish could play 128th notes with his right hand wile keeping straight 5/8 time with his feet and left hand. and Ohmyfucking gahhhhh!!!!!HDHSfhosfhskhfs!@!!!!
Paaaaaaayyyyyy Joooooorgan ripped the world apart when he was playing the piano and stitching it back together.
That was the greatest music ever made. Fucking Mozart was a hack. I mena not a hack cos clearly, if you know anything about music dude knew what was up did you know that he invented the practice of downtuning a violin? and he also invented the modern piano concerto mostly because he wanted to show his own badassed chops. bitches were all swooning cos of that and corsets. corsets are crazy hot and i mean that in the way like sexy and temperature cos my girlfriend, when she brings me chicken wings after the shows she sometimes wears one but not in the summer cos its way unsafe to pass out when you're driving cos one second you're crusing along and BLAMMO! fucking dead. Not cool.
So now it's 2011.
Phish has taken all of that amazing awesom e and quintuple tripled it and mashed it with the sloppy gobbldeygook of ph which was so inspired and misunderstood by fake fans who just pretended to like phish and now they can come out and blaaarrrrggghhhh111!!@@ wtfbbqapplesauce!!!!@@!#!#s chit gets fucking real and i mean real like crazy real like on the real world and shit like that. All you people need to do is just stop oyour little add brains and listen for a second and you'll hear it. You'll be sitting there and sudden;y find yourself all guuh! omgimapoolofjizzandshitandwtfimflyingwithapinkunicorn!WRH)U2)23DH#DH30hd!!!
Or you could read this fucking book and you'll see what's up.
Gumbo: never change.
:hereitisyousentimentalbastard
Strangely, it kind of makes me want to listen to Mozart today.
Interesting quote from Wikipedia:
QuoteMozart wrote the solo viola part for his Sinfonia Concertante a semitone lower, with the viola strings to be tuned a semitone higher to D♭, A♭, E♭, B♭. A common practice of the time, changing the pitch of the open strings was primarily intended to make the viola sound louder, and so better discernible in the symphonic orchestra: indeed, increasing the tension in a string, not only sharpens the pitch, but also makes it sound louder, the loudest sound being obtained just before breaking. Other viola concerti employing this type of scordatura were written by Carl Stamitz, Johann Baptist Vaňhal, Johann Andreas Amon, Jiří Družecký, Johannes Matthias Sperger and Johann Georg Hermann Voigt.[1] Source: Riley, Maurice W. (1991). The History of the Viola, Volume II. Ann Arbor, Michigan: Braun-Brumfield. pp. 138–143.
Gumbo don't lie.
All facts, all the time.
Quoteblaaarrrrggghhhh111!!@@ wtfbbqapplesauce!!!!@@!#!#s chit gets fucking real
FACT.
Quote from: rowjimmy on May 30, 2011, 05:11:47 PM
All facts, all the time.
Copyright infringement.
:police:
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on May 30, 2011, 11:20:08 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on May 30, 2011, 05:11:47 PM
All facts, all the time.
Copyright infringement.
:police:
The release was one of journalistic interest and not-for-profit.
No judge would find against me.
Besides, you should pay me for editing. Look how much better it flows without the Black Metal tangent.
Quote from: rowjimmy on May 31, 2011, 07:36:24 AM
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on May 30, 2011, 11:20:08 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on May 30, 2011, 05:11:47 PM
All facts, all the time.
Copyright infringement.
:police:
The release was one of journalistic interest and not-for-profit.
No judge would find against me.
Besides, you should pay me for editing. Look how much better it flows without the Black Metal tangent.
black metal?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOxban5lPOI&feature=related
Quote from: whatthecello42 on May 30, 2011, 03:32:51 PM
Interesting quote from Wikipedia:
QuoteMozart wrote the solo viola part for his Sinfonia Concertante a semitone lower, with the viola strings to be tuned a semitone higher to D♭, A♭, E♭, B♭. A common practice of the time, changing the pitch of the open strings was primarily intended to make the viola sound louder, and so better discernible in the symphonic orchestra: indeed, increasing the tension in a string, not only sharpens the pitch, but also makes it sound louder, the loudest sound being obtained just before breaking. Other viola concerti employing this type of scordatura were written by Carl Stamitz, Johann Baptist Vaňhal, Johann Andreas Amon, Jiří Družecký, Johannes Matthias Sperger and Johann Georg Hermann Voigt.[1] Source: Riley, Maurice W. (1991). The History of the Viola, Volume II. Ann Arbor, Michigan: Braun-Brumfield. pp. 138–143.
Is this proof of Mozart's use of a proto-whale call technique?
Quote from: jam> on May 31, 2011, 12:58:45 PM
Quote from: whatthecello42 on May 30, 2011, 03:32:51 PM
Interesting quote from Wikipedia:
QuoteMozart wrote the solo viola part for his Sinfonia Concertante a semitone lower, with the viola strings to be tuned a semitone higher to D♭, A♭, E♭, B♭. A common practice of the time, changing the pitch of the open strings was primarily intended to make the viola sound louder, and so better discernible in the symphonic orchestra: indeed, increasing the tension in a string, not only sharpens the pitch, but also makes it sound louder, the loudest sound being obtained just before breaking. Other viola concerti employing this type of scordatura were written by Carl Stamitz, Johann Baptist Vaňhal, Johann Andreas Amon, Jiří Družecký, Johannes Matthias Sperger and Johann Georg Hermann Voigt.[1] Source: Riley, Maurice W. (1991). The History of the Viola, Volume II. Ann Arbor, Michigan: Braun-Brumfield. pp. 138–143.
Is this proof of Mozart's use of a proto-whale call technique?
Not at all. It just means that Mozart utilized alternate tunings.
PHISH IS FUCKING BACK!!!!@!@!@!@$#$##@!!!
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on May 31, 2011, 11:00:49 PM
PHISH IS FUCKING BACK!!!!@!@!@!@$#$##@!!!
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on May 31, 2011, 12:21:30 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on May 31, 2011, 07:36:24 AM
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on May 30, 2011, 11:20:08 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on May 30, 2011, 05:11:47 PM
All facts, all the time.
Copyright infringement.
:police:
The release was one of journalistic interest and not-for-profit.
No judge would find against me.
Besides, you should pay me for editing. Look how much better it flows without the Black Metal tangent.
black metal?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOxban5lPOI&feature=related
:crazy: :crazy: :rawk: :rawk: :crazy: :crazy:
:beerbang: :beerbang: :rawk: :rawk: :crazy: :crazy: :rawk: :rawk: :beerbang: :beerbang:
:crazy: :crazy: :rawk: :rawk: :crazy: :crazy:
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on May 31, 2011, 01:30:54 PM
Quote from: jam> on May 31, 2011, 12:58:45 PM
Quote from: whatthecello42 on May 30, 2011, 03:32:51 PM
Interesting quote from Wikipedia:
QuoteMozart wrote the solo viola part for his Sinfonia Concertante a semitone lower, with the viola strings to be tuned a semitone higher to D♭, A♭, E♭, B♭. A common practice of the time, changing the pitch of the open strings was primarily intended to make the viola sound louder, and so better discernible in the symphonic orchestra: indeed, increasing the tension in a string, not only sharpens the pitch, but also makes it sound louder, the loudest sound being obtained just before breaking. Other viola concerti employing this type of scordatura were written by Carl Stamitz, Johann Baptist Vaňhal, Johann Andreas Amon, Jiří Družecký, Johannes Matthias Sperger and Johann Georg Hermann Voigt.[1] Source: Riley, Maurice W. (1991). The History of the Viola, Volume II. Ann Arbor, Michigan: Braun-Brumfield. pp. 138–143.
Is this proof of Mozart's use of a proto-whale call technique?
Not at all. It just means that Mozart utilized alternate tunings.
Yeah, but he didn't invent it. Scordatura, as it is called, was around before his time. Anyway, I say Page should learn the glass harmonica: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dE_MZzvigd4
I'd love to hear that amplified in an arena or ampitheather, more interesting than a theremin IMO.
why not
... to Colorado for a 3 night run.
I think Phish played very well this entire second leg. I saw a ton of jams that I enjoyed the hell out of. BEST BAND EVA! :wtu:
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on September 05, 2011, 03:35:07 PM
I think Phish played very well this entire second leg. I saw a ton of jams that I enjoyed the hell out of. BEST BAND EVA! :wtu:
Scotty - Playin' it safe since 'o9.
I heard from a friend that the 3 nights in CO were probably the best hes seen/heard this summer.
Any thoughts?? I haven't listened to them yet..
Quote from: sMILEy on September 07, 2011, 01:22:52 PM
I heard from a friend that the 3 nights in CO were probably the best hes seen/heard this summer.
Any thoughts?? I haven't listened to them yet..
i thought they were a solid 3 shows with highlights from each night. Tweezer was groovy greatness!
I preferred Chicago as a 3 night run -- partly because the energy there made Dick's Sporting Goods seem like a quiet library. Hard to get that bottled up energy in a 20K+ soccer stadium.
Still, no jam has topped the Gorge R&R though...
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on September 07, 2011, 02:01:24 PM
Quote from: sMILEy on September 07, 2011, 01:22:52 PM
I heard from a friend that the 3 nights in CO were probably the best hes seen/heard this summer.
Any thoughts?? I haven't listened to them yet..
i thought they were a solid 3 shows with highlights from each night. Tweezer was groovy greatness!
I preferred Chicago as a 3 night run -- partly because the energy there made Dick's Sporting Goods seem like a quiet library. Hard to get that bottled up energy in a 20K+ soccer stadium.
Still, no jam has topped the Gorge R&R though...
Listened to that last night to confirm and it is still pretty easily the sickest jam of the summer IMO.
Obviously agreed that the energy at UIC was way higher, but I would take any of the three nights at Dicks over the third night of UIC so I gotta say I think Dicks was the run of the year.
YEAH PHISH!!!
:phish:
Quote from: sMILEy on September 07, 2011, 01:22:52 PM
I heard from a friend that the 3 nights in CO were probably the best hes seen/heard this summer.
Any thoughts?? I haven't listened to them yet..
There is a place where you can find all kinds of thoughts:
http://week4paug.net/index.php?board=44.0
/just sayin'
I've caught shows on every 3.0 tour, and these past 3 Dick's shows were a pretty significant step above anything this noob has seen.
if UIC and Dicks could become the baseline, i'd sign this thread.
im giving the edge from this summer to dicks though, based on liking any of the 3 nights from CO more than the 3rd night of UIC.
As for UIC I really dig the element set reba > alumni from night one, DWD yem haha let it loose slave > rocky top from second night, third night second set was a rager :rawk:
As for CO I def feel like the energy was 1/5 of what it was at UIC. The first night is complete :crazy: I still cant believe they did an S show. The simple jam the sally and suzy>scents were top notch! Then the Sabatoge encore, it was just what that crowd needed to get to the energy level it should have been at all night. The second night CO was alright, felt like they started off alright, then the funky bitch > wolfmans part of the first set is :rawk: Llama >ffefy is why I see :phish: two of my top songs, never thought I would see them segued like that. Third night, was fun maze, gin, ghost, guyfoget, piper. All stellar versions.
Its hard to decide which run is better for me. I had so much fun at UIC and CO was an awesome personal experience for me. Musically, I think CO is a little better, UIC would be a 90% CO would be 94%, but from experience and being there UIC takes the cake! :beerbang: :rawk:
well, indoors vs. outdoors is definitely a factor that we all understand. its why fall tour was always the favorite.
Quote from: guyforget on September 08, 2011, 01:26:24 PM
well, indoors vs. outdoors is definitely a factor that we all understand. its why fall tour was always the favorite.
breaking out the cords and hoodies, crisp cool air in the lots, rambunctious indoor shows = win.
Quote from: guyforget on September 08, 2011, 01:26:24 PM
well, indoors vs. outdoors is definitely a factor that we all understand. its why fall tour was always the favorite.
This is true. I enjoyed the fuck outta CO though, and musically it is better, IMO.
Found this thread buried DEEEEEEEEEP.
Just bumping it just in case the band decides to play a show that doesn't sound like every show they've played since Hampton.
Quote from: Augustus on June 16, 2012, 03:33:31 PM
Found this thread buried DEEEEEEEEEP.
Just bumping it just in case the band decides to play a show that doesn't sound like every show they've played since Hampton.
:clap:
can we create some sort of board algorithm that reroutes every Gumbo post to this thread?
Quote from: blatboom on June 16, 2012, 07:15:59 PM
can we create some sort of board algorithm that reroutes every Gumbo post to this thread?
k+
Quote from: blatboom on June 16, 2012, 07:15:59 PM
can we create some sort of board algorithm that reroutes every Gumbo post to this thread?
The band is giving us what we've all been waiting for.
Deal with it.
Quote from: Augustus on June 16, 2012, 03:33:31 PM
Found this thread buried DEEEEEEEEEP.
Just bumping it just in case the band decides to play a show that doesn't sound like every show they've played since Hampton.
14 MINUTE BIRDS!!!!!!!!! WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT!?!
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on June 16, 2012, 07:20:15 PM
14 MINUTE BIRDS!!!!!!!!! WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT!?!
Gamehendge set.
Quote from: susep on June 16, 2012, 07:33:28 PM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on June 16, 2012, 07:20:15 PM
14 MINUTE BIRDS!!!!!!!!! WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT!?!
Gamehendge set.
meh, they still played first-set songs in the first set :|
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on June 16, 2012, 07:20:15 PM
Quote from: Augustus on June 16, 2012, 03:33:31 PM
Found this thread buried DEEEEEEEEEP.
Just bumping it just in case the band decides to play a show that doesn't sound like every show they've played since Hampton.
14 MINUTE BIRDS!!!!!!!!! WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT!?!
All 4 band members to be on the same page.
Yeah, Trey. I am looking at you, dude.
It's not the length of the song, but the notes you play.
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on June 16, 2012, 07:20:15 PM
Quote from: Augustus on June 16, 2012, 03:33:31 PM
Found this thread buried DEEEEEEEEEP.
Just bumping it just in case the band decides to play a show that doesn't sound like every show they've played since Hampton.
14 MINUTE BIRDS!!!!!!!!! WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT!?!
a blowjob?
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on June 16, 2012, 07:20:15 PM
Quote from: Augustus on June 16, 2012, 03:33:31 PM
Found this thread buried DEEEEEEEEEP.
Just bumping it just in case the band decides to play a show that doesn't sound like every show they've played since Hampton.
14 MINUTE BIRDS!!!!!!!!! WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT!?!
'ZACTLY! PHISH 4.0 IS FUCKING HERE! SO STEP UP OR STEP OFF!!1!!!1!!!
Quote from: Superfreakie on June 17, 2012, 03:01:14 AM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on June 16, 2012, 07:20:15 PM
Quote from: Augustus on June 16, 2012, 03:33:31 PM
Found this thread buried DEEEEEEEEEP.
Just bumping it just in case the band decides to play a show that doesn't sound like every show they've played since Hampton.
14 MINUTE BIRDS!!!!!!!!! WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT!?!
a blowjob?
That or enough quality playing that we don't notice a flub or two.
When Phish was at its peaks, they didn't play perfectly. They played awesomely enough that one dropped note was insignificant in the face of all the other amazing playing. One jam per night is not gonna do that.
Quote from: rowjimmy on June 17, 2012, 08:05:20 AM
Quote from: Superfreakie on June 17, 2012, 03:01:14 AM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on June 16, 2012, 07:20:15 PM
Quote from: Augustus on June 16, 2012, 03:33:31 PM
Found this thread buried DEEEEEEEEEP.
Just bumping it just in case the band decides to play a show that doesn't sound like every show they've played since Hampton.
14 MINUTE BIRDS!!!!!!!!! WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT!?!
a blowjob?
That or enough quality playing that we don't notice a flub or two.
When Phish was at its peaks, they didn't play perfectly. They played awesomely enough that one dropped note was insignificant in the face of all the other amazing playing. One attempted jam per night is not gonna do that.
FYP.
Quote from: Marmar on June 17, 2012, 08:59:48 AM
Quote from: rowjimmy on June 17, 2012, 08:05:20 AM
Quote from: Superfreakie on June 17, 2012, 03:01:14 AM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on June 16, 2012, 07:20:15 PM
Quote from: Augustus on June 16, 2012, 03:33:31 PM
Found this thread buried DEEEEEEEEEP.
Just bumping it just in case the band decides to play a show that doesn't sound like every show they've played since Hampton.
14 MINUTE BIRDS!!!!!!!!! WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT!?!
a blowjob?
That or enough quality playing that we don't notice a flub or two.
When Phish was at its peaks, they didn't play perfectly. They played awesomely enough that one dropped note was insignificant in the face of all the other amazing playing. One attempted jam per night is not gonna do that.
FYP.
I approve of this edit.
heh...they're so back no one is bothering to do a LST for nite 3....:clap:
Quote from: Marmar on June 17, 2012, 09:10:45 PM
heh...they're so back no one is bothering to do a LST for nite 3....:clap:
I'm a big WOTC fan though.
I agree...this one is actually movin....
Listening to last night's Divided Sky and I gotta say: phucking back!
Quote from: PIE-GUY on June 21, 2012, 10:45:28 AM
Listening to last night's Divided Sky and I gotta say: phucking back!
Listening to that roar in the pit last night was pretty special.
so.....
Quote from: Undermind on June 24, 2012, 11:34:12 AM
so.....
Dont call the cows home yet but the boys have played three in a row
You guys really think nTelos 2 was above average?
Seemed pretty standard to me except for Dog Log and Hood.
Quote from: Hicks on June 24, 2012, 11:38:52 AM
You guys really think nTelos 2 was above average?
Seemed pretty standard to me except for Dog Log and Hood.
Yup Tweezer loops. I love tweezer loops! Maybe they swayed me!
Quote from: Undermind on June 24, 2012, 11:41:05 AM
Quote from: Hicks on June 24, 2012, 11:38:52 AM
You guys really think nTelos 2 was above average?
Seemed pretty standard to me except for Dog Log and Hood.
Yup Tweezer loops. I love tweezer loops! Maybe they swayed me!
Eh, listened to that Tweezer twice, seemed fairly aimless to me.
Quote from: Hicks on June 24, 2012, 11:50:47 AM
Quote from: Undermind on June 24, 2012, 11:41:05 AM
Quote from: Hicks on June 24, 2012, 11:38:52 AM
You guys really think nTelos 2 was above average?
Seemed pretty standard to me except for Dog Log and Hood.
Yup Tweezer loops. I love tweezer loops! Maybe they swayed me!
Eh, listened to that Tweezer twice, seemed fairly aimless to me.
I agree on the Tweezer, love the loops though! I feel like that Hood sequence was light on good things to come and without nTelos 2 there would be no 6/22
Quote from: whatapiper on June 24, 2012, 12:17:54 PM
Quote from: Hicks on June 24, 2012, 11:50:47 AM
Quote from: Undermind on June 24, 2012, 11:41:05 AM
Quote from: Hicks on June 24, 2012, 11:38:52 AM
You guys really think nTelos 2 was above average?
Seemed pretty standard to me except for Dog Log and Hood.
Yup Tweezer loops. I love tweezer loops! Maybe they swayed me!
Eh, listened to that Tweezer twice, seemed fairly aimless to me.
I agree on the Tweezer, love the loops though! (http:///22)
agreed.
The blogosphere is coming around to my side of this whole argument...
Phish IS back...
http://www.glidemagazine.com/hiddentrack/postcards-why-this-was-the-best-phish-tour-in-a-decade/ (http://www.glidemagazine.com/hiddentrack/postcards-why-this-was-the-best-phish-tour-in-a-decade/)
QuotePostcards: Why This Was The Best Phish Tour In A Decade
This past weekend, at the Saratoga Performing Arts Center (SPAC), I can confidently say that Phish concluded their best tour (or at least, first leg of one), since at least 2003. Coming out of the gates with a top effort at Worcester's Centrum a month earlier, the band did not let up – at all – throughout the next 18 shows. Combining some elements that make Phish, well...Phish, the fearsome foursome of Trey Anastasio, Page McConnell, Mike Gordon and Jon Fishman crafted a riveting frame of music that certainly has fans a buzz about the possibilities for the remainder of the year.
[All Photos by Joe Ringus From June 30 - Alpine]
Allow me to take a look at a few aspects that I feel truly set this tour apart from any other of the modern Phish era.
Bustouts
One of the easiest things to notice about Leg 1 of 2012′s Summer Tour was the number of "bustouts" that the band played. Generating buzz from a Rolling Stone article before the band hit the road, McConnell mentioned the band wanted to play "over 200 songs" this summer. Little did we know the depths of the repertoire the boys would dig into to accomplish this feat – and all during the first leg! From Shaggy Dog at Riverbend to the mega-bustout of Skin it Back (first since 1988) at Jones Beach on July 3, the impossible again seemed possible – which, is one of my favorite aspects of Phish. Expect the unexpected. This was something that the band was lacking in with their "safe" setlist choices since the return in '09, save a few exceptions. But, with a steady slew of rarities gracing the setlists, the band was primed to do what they do best: knock your socks off.
Now, not only did they break out the Pledge and Windex by taking these songs off the dusty shelves, but they also played them exceptionally well! The aforementioned Skin it Back (which definitely sounded like Spanish Moon to start) at Jones Beach was not only an awesome effort for the first time in public in 24 years, but was also a great 10-minute jam that set the tone for the final five shows, all in New York, of the summer's first leg. It was also one of the best show openers we've heard in quite some time.
The band also dug deep and recalled their Halloween shows of past, playing most of The Velvet Underground's Loaded at various points, including the first renditions of Head Held High and Sweet Jane since 10/31/98. Jones Beach also saw Phish perform The Beatles' Happiness is a Warm Gun for the first time since 10/31/94, which admittedly seems like a lifetime ago. But, it was bustouts like these, amongst many others, that showed the band was truly determined to make a statement this summer and show everyone that they – above everyone else – still remembered where they came from and what got them here.
Concise, Purposeful Jamming
While the days of 30+ minute jams may be gone forever, that's not a terribly bad thing. The more "mature" (and sober) Phish of the modern era has had a knack of packing a powerful punch of "more killer, less filler" in many of the jams they have been playing. While there are numerous individual jams we could look at to prove this point, I only need to look at one song: Sand. The song of the tour in my mind, Sand has become the quintessential example of what modern day Phish – and their jamming – has become. Layering their textured grooves that define the song, along with skipping the foreplay and getting right to the point, each and every version of Sand this summer absolutely blew the hinges off. And I doubt any version eclipsed 12 or 15 minutes – tops.
With only two songs the whole first leg that topped 20 minutes (the only two versions of You Enjoy Myself – another point that blows my mind), the band got down to business nightly with less noodling and more focus. Hell, I even remember thinking during "normal" songs this summer that certain versions were exceptional standouts. The version of Ocelot, for example from June 7th in Worcester led me to tweet: "That cougar had some TEETH." We can also look at one of the most lauded versions and jams of the summer to further prove this point: Atlantic City's Birds of A Feather – a jam that clocked in at a healthy, but not overwhelming 14:40, the song not only sprouted wings and flew on a different course than usual. But it took a turn into the cosmic outreaches of space, which shows me that Phish can still go "deep," as I often referred to it with friends this year, when they want to.
Also of note is the strength of opening nights of early tour versus late tour. The first show of this summer still ranks in my top two or three of 2012. The Ghost > Boogie On Reggae Woman > If I Could segment represents such a fluid piece of improvisation and jamming. The band came out of the gates firing, much as they have in early spots since the return show in Hampton. The Ghost from Worcester is incredible and the Boogie On was one of the best versions I've ever heard, having plenty of extra mustard in its funk. Where one moster jam used to dominate a show, the modern day band uses two or three songs to pack just as powerful a punch. It's like more bang for your buck and keeps the energy at an all-time high, instead of lulls and darker spaces in the action. It just goes to show that when the band puts their mind to it, and practices, they can deliver from the start, a la Bethel last year and Worcester this year.
The last example that I want to point out about "jamming" is more from a "mash-up" perspective. Several times through the first 20 shows of the year, the band interjected themes, quotes or full songs at several points throughout the second set, often leading to a perfect bookending type of show. The second night of Bader Field in Atlantic City was one example. A complete juxtaposition from the first night of the run, Phish opened the final frame of this show with the Talking Heads' Crosseyed and Painless and managed to mash it up/quote it no less than three or four more times throughout the second set and encore that evening.
Also, after opening the very first show of the tour with Buried Alive, Trey closed the second set with a proper reprise of the song, setting a tone and recurring theme for the summer. The second night of SPAC also saw the first take on Blister in the Sun since Barcelona '98, and found the band singing the first verse several times throughout yet another playful set. Keeping the full attention of the fans with such moves, while segueing in and out of anything they chose, these sets remained amongst my favorite of the summer for the fluidity and effort that the band put into them from start to finish.
In short, Phish delivered a number of complete efforts that not only made for great shows as they happened, but will hold up on tape as complete, concise jams and sets – a promising sign for the future of the band in the modern era.
Playfulness/Humor
One of the other aspects that has always made Phish Phish is their inside jokes, playfulness and often off-the-wall sense of humor. Remember getting the Doniac Schivice in the mail announcing the Great Went festival in Limestone, Maine? "An easy drive from any direction" was the tag line, with a single red line tracing the one road that led to the absolute tip of the state. Still hysterical to me after all these years. Well, some of that playfulness still rings true today.
Even in the few shows that will end up being the least talked about this tour for the musical aspects, like Portsmouth's first night, the band made up for it in other ways: namely, humor. Having Fishman "tuck" his dress into his boxers, and as the tour went on calling him "Friar Tuck," as well as incorporating "tucking" into some vocal jams and in other playful ways, Phish again built on a theme that allowed them to be their regular, goofy selves. And while they might not, at times, have been blowing a jam apart, they settled for chastising the audience who came onstage that night with "You suck at tucking!," among others examples at which one couldn't help but smile.
More examples of the "fun" returning were Trey taking a lightsaber from the crowd in Portsmouth during the tucking show and playing his guitar with it during Maze, Kenny Rogers joining the band at Bonnaroo for a debut rendition of The Gambler and other hi-jinx over the past month. In short, another reason that Phish is one of the most lovable, creative, prankster-esque bands still around.
Overall, the Summer 2012 combined much more than these three aspects. But, they were, in my mind, three of the biggest reasons that Phish regained a sense of self and delivered their best tour since at least 2003, if not 2000. While many may be cringing that I am calling this "the best tour in a decade," I'd like to point out that I saw every single Phish show from '00 through Asheville in '09, including all of "2.0." I was there, and witnessed some of the most intense jamming the band ever performed. However, with this tour, the band packed a punch and didn't wander for 15 minutes just to deliver five minutes of GLORY. Instead they got there in a quicker, more consise way. Apples and oranges for sure, but call this modern era the more "mature" Phish. I love both, and for different reasons.
The highlights from the first leg of Phish Summer Tour 2012 are plentiful, and I can by no means capture them all in a single column, but I am confident that no matter which shows you seek out, you will like what Phish – the modern day band that has evolved in front of our eyes over the past month – has to offer.
I never doubted ya PG, I'm still beating myself up for not making it to SPAC.
"Best tour in 10 years" doesn't have much competition. Whether or not that tour was better than Summer '03 is debatable too.
A lot of what he's talking about has been happening throughout 3.ohhhh - covers, concise jams, humor, etc.
4.0 starts with leg II this summer!
Sweet!
Now wait another 4 years and band might actually jam and not be so sloppy!
Quote from: mattstick on July 11, 2012, 02:40:10 PM
"Best tour in 10 years" doesn't have much competition. Whether or not that tour was better than Summer '03 is debatable too.
A lot of what he's talking about has been happening throughout 3.ohhhh - covers, concise jams, humor, etc.
He does mention that Summer 03 could be considered better, which is the case for me, I think they have yet to top that tour.
But I think there is a fairly good case for this leg being the strongest yet of 3.0.
Every "big" jam this year ends the same way, why aren't more people talking about this?
Type II territory then done 1:30 later..
Quote from: antelope19 on July 11, 2012, 02:53:29 PM
4.0 starts with leg II this summer!
if anything 3.1 or 3.05 :wink:
Quote from: Hicks on July 11, 2012, 05:14:09 PM
Quote from: mattstick on July 11, 2012, 02:40:10 PM
"Best tour in 10 years" doesn't have much competition. Whether or not that tour was better than Summer '03 is debatable too.
A lot of what he's talking about has been happening throughout 3.ohhhh - covers, concise jams, humor, etc.
He does mention that Summer 03 could be considered better, which is the case for me, I think they have yet to top that tour.
But I think there is a fairly good case for this leg being the strongest yet of 3.0.
I totally skimmed the article while at work, but I agree with you.
One of the biggest problems with 3.0 has been the fact that they seem to be moving forward, then it's the same old again next time out.
I would also like to point out that we don't differentiate between 95 and 99 with 1.4 and 1.7 or anything stupid like that, so this 4.0 and 3.1 stuff is ridic
Quote from: GBL on July 11, 2012, 08:44:15 PM
Every "big" jam this year ends the same way, why aren't more people talking about this?
Type II territory then done 1:30 later..
This is a great articulation of my only real complaint.
Quote from: GBL on July 11, 2012, 08:44:15 PM
Every "big" jam this year ends the same way, why aren't more people talking about this?
Type II territory then done 1:30 later..
yup, like the KDF from Spac, preety straight forward reading, finally goes into some tasty group improv in the last 2-3 minutes w/ Mike playing some nostalgic jam lines(listen) but ultimately dissolves.
Quote from: mattstick on July 11, 2012, 08:50:05 PM
Quote from: Hicks on July 11, 2012, 05:14:09 PM
Quote from: mattstick on July 11, 2012, 02:40:10 PM
"Best tour in 10 years" doesn't have much competition. Whether or not that tour was better than Summer '03 is debatable too.
A lot of what he's talking about has been happening throughout 3.ohhhh - covers, concise jams, humor, etc.
He does mention that Summer 03 could be considered better, which is the case for me, I think they have yet to top that tour.
But I think there is a fairly good case for this leg being the strongest yet of 3.0.
I totally skimmed the article while at work, but I agree with you.
One of the biggest problems with 3.0 has been the fact that they seem to be moving forward, then it's the same old again next time out.
I would also like to point out that we don't differentiate between 95 and 99 with 1.4 and 1.7 or anything stupid like that, so this 4.0 and 3.1 stuff is ridic
:hereitisyousentimentalbastard
I would agree. I was totally kidding.
Quote from: susep on July 11, 2012, 08:48:41 PM
Quote from: antelope19 on July 11, 2012, 02:53:29 PM
4.0 starts with leg II this summer!
if anything 3.1 or 3.05 :wink:
I'd be a much bigger fan of Phish 3.14159.
Quote from: PIE-GUY on July 11, 2012, 09:20:29 PM
Quote from: Wolfmansbrother on July 11, 2012, 09:15:03 PM
Quote from: susep on July 11, 2012, 08:48:41 PM
Quote from: antelope19 on July 11, 2012, 02:53:29 PM
4.0 starts with leg II this summer!
if anything 3.1 or 3.05 :wink:
I'd be a much bigger fan of Phish 3.14159.
I like pie.
(http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/pictrough/pictrough0908/pictrough090800183/5333427-asian-woman-rolling-dough-making-pie-smiling-at-camera-with-flour-on-her-face-square.jpg)
Quote from: roggae on July 11, 2012, 08:52:09 PM
Quote from: GBL on July 11, 2012, 08:44:15 PM
Every "big" jam this year ends the same way, why aren't more people talking about this?
Type II territory then done 1:30 later..
This is a great articulation of my only real complaint.
Let's rage Dick's, bro.. Seriously
Quote from: susep on July 11, 2012, 09:02:56 PM
Quote from: GBL on July 11, 2012, 08:44:15 PM
Every "big" jam this year ends the same way, why aren't more people talking about this?
Type II territory then done 1:30 later..
yup, like the KDF from Spac, preety straight forward reading, finally goes into some tasty group improv in the last 2-3 minutes w/ Mike playing some nostalgic jam lines(listen) but ultimately dissolves.
And those 2-3 minutes are why we are all here
Quote from: GBL on July 11, 2012, 09:45:37 PM
Quote from: susep on July 11, 2012, 09:02:56 PM
Quote from: GBL on July 11, 2012, 08:44:15 PM
Every "big" jam this year ends the same way, why aren't more people talking about this?
Type II territory then done 1:30 later..
yup, like the KDF from Spac, preety straight forward reading, finally goes into some tasty group improv in the last 2-3 minutes w/ Mike playing some nostalgic jam lines(listen) but ultimately dissolves.
And those 2-3 minutes are why we are all here
Just listened to this and that's what I was talking about elsewhere. As long as you don't mind getting blue balled while in a space suit while laying on your back on top of a rocket ready to be launched into outer space, you'll be ok with what Phish is doing nowdays. That's what happened there. Everyone was ready, countdown started, and Trey called off the launch due to bad weather (or some such nonsense).
Anyone that thinks summer 2012 was the best tour in the last ten years is either a fucking moron or a n00b of the most epic proportions. I just finished watching 3/1/2003, and I laughed the whole way to the bank. Jesus, I just .... I don't know what to make of how phans rationalize this shit at times.
Quote from: sophist on July 12, 2012, 12:29:15 AM
Anyone that thinks summer 2012 was the best tour in the last ten years is either a fucking moron or a n00b of the most epic proportions. I just finished watching 3/1/2003, and I laughed the whole way to the bank. Jesus, I just .... I don't know what to make of how phans rationalize this shit at times.
Always thought Greensboro was a bit underrated, that Piper is wicked.
Quote from: sophist on July 12, 2012, 12:29:15 AM
Anyone that thinks summer 2012 was the best tour in the last ten years is either a fucking moron or a n00b of the most epic proportions. I just finished watching 3/1/2003, and I laughed the whole way to the bank. Jesus, I just .... I don't know what to make of how phans rationalize this shit at times.
Oh hai Gumbo!
Quote from: Hicks on July 12, 2012, 12:57:40 AM
Quote from: sophist on July 12, 2012, 12:29:15 AM
Anyone that thinks summer 2012 was the best tour in the last ten years is either a fucking moron or a n00b of the most epic proportions. I just finished watching 3/1/2003, and I laughed the whole way to the bank. Jesus, I just .... I don't know what to make of how phans rationalize this shit at times.
Always thought Greensboro was a bit underrated, that Piper is wicked.
Qft. Loved being there and still re-visit from time to time.
Quote from: sophist on July 12, 2012, 12:29:15 AM
Anyone that thinks summer 2012 was the best tour in the last ten years is either a fucking moron or a n00b of the most epic proportions. I just finished watching 3/1/2003, and I laughed the whole way to the bank. Jesus, I just .... I don't know what to make of how phans rationalize this shit at times.
Could you be trying to justify to yourself for missing out on these shows? :wink:
Quote from: GBL on July 11, 2012, 09:44:19 PM
Let's rage Dick's, bro.. Seriously
Seriously, use the preview button before making posts with the words DICK.
And also, 3/1/03 was pretty dope show. Piper is really sweet all the way through Boogie On in particular.
i wanna rage dicks with all you guys.
Phish isn't back.....they're still a long way from being back.....but, I will say that there are more and more moments within a show where glimpses of their former selves can't help but to rear their ugly heads.....
If they were just more consistant I think.....if the consistancy was there more then we wouldn't be having this debate on if they are back or not.....until then.....
Quote from: Marmar on July 12, 2012, 12:20:31 PM
Phish isn't back.....they're still a long way from being back.....but, I will say that there are more and more moments within a show where glimpses of their former selves can't help but to rear their ugly heads.....
If they were just more consistant I think.....if the consistancy was there more then we wouldn't be having this debate on if they are back or not.....until then.....
Agreed, for every 7-8 there's a 7-4. . .
Exactly....that's all I've been sayin from the get-go of their "return"......that's where my "h8red" stems from. There's just not enough consistancy from show to show.....hell, even from song to song WITHIN a show.....I've seen bad shows, but that's exactly what they were, BAD shows......now it's like they can rip the snot outta a song or two, then shit the bed diarhea style for the next couple only to rage a few more.....
I honestly could care less about the type II/type I debates just as long as they are consistantly playing well in the context of each show, and progressing within the context of a tour......and IMHO, this is really the first tour I've heard since their return where, with a few exceptions, each show progressed to a higher level of consistancy.....I understand the repeats (takes the fear of fucking up something else outta the equation) and the song selections (easy songs are hard to fuck up!)....But there is still a little bit of inconsistancy within the context of each show that needs to be addressed before stating "PHISH IS FUCKING BACK!"......
They are definitely making the steps in the right direction though.....and for that, :clap: :phish:
I was going to craft a snarky metaphorical post last night but got sidetracked (stupid parenting responsibilities.)
Since then, Marmar has pretty much covered my actual point.
Quote from: rowjimmy on July 12, 2012, 01:11:51 PM
I was going to craft a snarky metaphorical post last night but got sidetracked (stupid parenting responsibilities.)
Since then, Marmar has pretty much covered my actual point.
but we would still like the daily dose of sarcasm, please.
*****DISCLAIMER: THIS IS 10 YEARS OLD*****
Just saw this on another board, didn't really know where to put this
10 years ago today:
Quote
----Original Message-----
From: PHISH UPDATE [mailto:phishupdate@phish.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 6:46 PM
Subject: PHISH TO PLAY FOUR CONCERTS
====================================================
P H I S H U P D A T E
** August 14, 2002 **
http://www.phish.com
===================================================
PHISH TO PLAY FOUR CONCERTS
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
PHISH returns to the stage after an extended hiatus for four concerts
beginning with a three-set concert at Madison Square Garden in New
York City on December 31, 2002. Following that show, they will perform
three nights at the Hampton Coliseum in Hampton, Virginia, January 2,
3 and 4, 2003. The band plans to schedule additional tour dates
later in 2003 and will likely record an album sometime next year as
well.
A limited number of tickets are available directly through PHISH
TICKET-BY-MAIL's secure online ticketing system at
http://www.phishtickets.rlc.net for a four day ordering period period
beginning Thursday, September 5, at 6:00 PM, EST and ending Sunday
night, September 8, at 6:00 PM.
Tickets go on sale to the public for the December 31 concert on
Friday, September 20 at 10 am via www.ticketmaster.com or charge by
phone by calling 212.307.7171 or 212.307.7200. Tickets for the
January 2, 3 and 4 concerts go on sale to the public on Saturday,
September 21 at 10 am via www.ticketmaster.com or charge by phone by
calling 757.671.8100, 804.262.8100, 757.872.8100 or 540.343.8100.
There will be no outlet sales offered for any of these shows. There is
a TWO ticket limit for all shows.
Quote from: antelope19 on August 14, 2012, 11:55:10 AM
Just saw this on another board, didn't really know where to put this
10 years ago today:
Quote
----Original Message-----
From: PHISH UPDATE [mailto:phishupdate@phish.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 6:46 PM
Subject: PHISH TO PLAY FOUR CONCERTS
====================================================
P H I S H U P D A T E
** August 14, 2002 **
http://www.phish.com
===================================================
PHISH TO PLAY FOUR CONCERTS
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
PHISH returns to the stage after an extended hiatus for four concerts
beginning with a three-set concert at Madison Square Garden in New
York City on December 31, 2002. Following that show, they will perform
three nights at the Hampton Coliseum in Hampton, Virginia, January 2,
3 and 4, 2003. The band plans to schedule additional tour dates
later in 2003 and will likely record an album sometime next year as
well.
A limited number of tickets are available directly through PHISH
TICKET-BY-MAIL's secure online ticketing system at
http://www.phishtickets.rlc.net for a four day ordering period period
beginning Thursday, September 5, at 6:00 PM, EST and ending Sunday
night, September 8, at 6:00 PM.
Tickets go on sale to the public for the December 31 concert on
Friday, September 20 at 10 am via www.ticketmaster.com or charge by
phone by calling 212.307.7171 or 212.307.7200. Tickets for the
January 2, 3 and 4 concerts go on sale to the public on Saturday,
September 21 at 10 am via www.ticketmaster.com or charge by phone by
calling 757.671.8100, 804.262.8100, 757.872.8100 or 540.343.8100.
There will be no outlet sales offered for any of these shows. There is
a TWO ticket limit for all shows.
i read this without seeing the year and got on the phone to start booking a hampton hotel room. I'm an idiot.
:hereitisyousentimentalbastard
I added a disclaimer so no one else gets on the phone and books every hotel in the hampton area
I was jumping for joy when I saw this. I remember it feeling like my team had won the Super Bowl.
Quote from: PIE-GUY on August 14, 2012, 12:06:26 PM
I was jumping for joy when I saw this. I remember it feeling like my tea, had won the Super Bowl.
Me too, except I was living in Richmond at the time and was broke as a joke. We didn't have the internets at the house, so I was in the middle of the public library, trying not to yell, when I saw this a day or 2 later
Quote from: antelope19 on August 14, 2012, 12:04:17 PM
:hereitisyousentimentalbastard
I added a disclaimer so no one else gets on the phone and books every hotel in the hampton area
I not much of a reader. I skim, but it seems i'm not very good at that either.
Quote from: PIE-GUY on August 14, 2012, 12:06:26 PM
I was jumping for joy when I saw this. I remember it feeling like my team had won the Super Bowl.
That's about how I felt when they announced the '09 hampton shows. I went running up and down the hall of my dorm banging on everyone's door to spread the good news.
Quote from: phil on August 14, 2012, 12:15:30 PM
Quote from: PIE-GUY on August 14, 2012, 12:06:26 PM
I was jumping for joy when I saw this. I remember it feeling like my team had won the Super Bowl.
That's about how I felt when they announced the '09 hampton shows. I went running up and down the hall of my dorm banging on everyone's door to spread the good news.
you were still in diapers when they announced 2.0, right?
Quote from: antelope19 on August 14, 2012, 12:17:12 PM
Quote from: phil on August 14, 2012, 12:15:30 PM
Quote from: PIE-GUY on August 14, 2012, 12:06:26 PM
I was jumping for joy when I saw this. I remember it feeling like my team had won the Super Bowl.
That's about how I felt when they announced the '09 hampton shows. I went running up and down the hall of my dorm banging on everyone's door to spread the good news.
you were still in diapers when they announced 2.0, right?
I was thirteen, but yes, I was still in diapers (long story)
12/31/02 still the hardest F'in phish ticket ever.
Quote from: anthrax on August 14, 2012, 12:47:07 PM
12/31/02 still the hardest F'in phish ticket ever.
was it really a harder ticket than 3/6/09?
Quote from: PIE-GUY on August 14, 2012, 12:52:30 PM
Quote from: anthrax on August 14, 2012, 12:47:07 PM
12/31/02 still the hardest F'in phish ticket ever.
was it really a harder ticket than 3/6/09?
that was a tough one too, but a reunion on new years eve in nyc made it even tougher
Quote from: anthrax on August 14, 2012, 12:59:42 PM
Quote from: PIE-GUY on August 14, 2012, 12:52:30 PM
Quote from: anthrax on August 14, 2012, 12:47:07 PM
12/31/02 still the hardest F'in phish ticket ever.
was it really a harder ticket than 3/6/09?
that was a tough one too, but a reunion on new years eve in nyc made it even tougher
A guy showed me $1000 cash money for my 3/6/09 ticket...
I said no.
I got Phish lotto tickets for both 12/31/02 and 3/6/9.
My sense is that 12/31/02 was a tougher ticket, but it's difficult to measure.
I still live by if you want in, you get in. I must have a horseshoe up my ass or something, because I have had no trouble getting tickets to shows I want and not paying more than face, with one exception and when we spread the cost over the 3 nights for 3 people it was like $10 extra.
Quote from: UncleEbinezer on August 14, 2012, 01:18:04 PM
I must have a horseshoe up my ass or something
That sounds...less than comfortable
Quote from: phil on August 14, 2012, 01:23:54 PM
Quote from: UncleEbinezer on August 14, 2012, 01:18:04 PM
I must have a horseshoe up my ass or something
That sounds...less than comfortable
It gets me into shows...
Smaller venue and the opening night of the reunion run - I'd say 3/6 is easily the tougher of the two tickets.
Weren't they both the "opening night to a reunion run"? I'll see your "smaller venue" and raise you the fact that '02 was New Years Eve in New York City.......
:-)
Quote from: antelope19 on August 14, 2012, 01:45:22 PM
Weren't they both the "opening night to a reunion run"? I'll see your "smaller venue" and raise you the fact that '02 was New Years Eve in New York City.......
:-)
Is it a reunion if they are still together? I'd say no.
Quote from: anthrax on August 14, 2012, 12:47:07 PM
12/31/02 still the hardest F'in phish ticket ever.
Still the only time I hit the lotto. I couldn't make it but I traded for nights 2 and 3 in Hampton.
Quote from: sophist on August 14, 2012, 02:30:30 PM
Quote from: antelope19 on August 14, 2012, 01:45:22 PM
Weren't they both the "opening night to a reunion run"? I'll see your "smaller venue" and raise you the fact that '02 was New Years Eve in New York City.......
:-)
Is it a reunion if they are still together? I'd say no.
I guess they were together, but on an indefinite hiatus. Still technically a "reunion" of sorts IMO.
Quote from: rowjimmy on August 14, 2012, 01:07:16 PM
A guy showed me $1000 cash money for my 3/6/09 ticket...
THAT'S CRAZY!
Quote from: anthrax on August 14, 2012, 04:02:26 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on August 14, 2012, 01:07:16 PM
A guy showed me $1000 cash money for my 3/6/09 ticket...
THAT'S CRAZY!
Totally random, but one of the things I remember most about it is how absolutely perfect the weather was.
Yep, it was unseasonably warm for march in the mid-Atlantic.
Quote from: anthrax on August 14, 2012, 12:47:07 PM
12/31/02 still the hardest F'in phish ticket ever.
I pulled a ticket on ticketmaster the day before 12/31/02, I tried multiple times a day everyday. I couldn't believe it, I ran into the kitchen to my brother, who was excited b/c he knew there was no way my parents were going to let me go to phish at MSG (I'm from NY) alone on NYE, being a 16 year old girl, I was convinced I could make it work, but I had to give it to my brother. But he got me into phish and took me to all my first shows that year...except miami '03, which i went to and he didn't.
Quote from: kellerb on August 14, 2012, 06:00:36 PM
Quote from: UncleEbinezer on August 14, 2012, 01:24:50 PM
Quote from: phil on August 14, 2012, 01:23:54 PM
Quote from: UncleEbinezer on August 14, 2012, 01:18:04 PM
I must have a horseshoe up my ass or something
That sounds...less than comfortable
It gets me into shows...
clop clop clop clop
HOLY SHIT! BWWWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! :hereitisyousentimentalbastard :hereitisyousentimentalbastard :hereitisyousentimentalbastard
Quote from: hoodie22 on August 14, 2012, 08:48:26 PM
Quote from: anthrax on August 14, 2012, 12:47:07 PM
12/31/02 still the hardest F'in phish ticket ever.
I pulled a ticket on ticketmaster the day before 12/31/02, I tried multiple times a day everyday. I couldn't believe it, I ran into the kitchen to my brother, who was excited b/c he knew there was no way my parents were going to let me go to phish at MSG (I'm from NY) alone on NYE, being a 16 year old girl, I was convinced I could make it work, but I had to give it to my brother. But he got me into phish and took me to all my first shows that year...except miami '03, which i went to and he didn't.
Also, very cool. Way to hook up your older bro.
Quote from: V00D00BR3W on July 15, 2013, 11:03:29 AM
In one of the most symbolic moments in recent years, Trey came out for the second set of Sunday night's show at Merriweather wearing a t-shirt!
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on May 31, 2011, 11:00:49 PM
PHISH IS FUCKING BACK!!!!@!@!@!@$#$##@!!!
What, no takers?
Quote from: V00D00BR3W on August 01, 2013, 07:22:46 PM
What, no takers?
Prove it.........Do it again, Boys, and maybe we'll believe........
Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me, you can't get fooled again!
I love Phish
I love going to see them live
And I relisten to shows I was at and shows I was not at
Do the math
(Your equation might be different, but I don't give a fuck about that)
:phish:
phish still sucks until they play Lincoln.
It's nice to see that so many feel that they showed up, even if that doesn't mean "back"
Quote from: VA $l!m on August 01, 2013, 11:18:21 PM
phish still sucks until they play Lincoln.
I loved you in Lincoln.
Quote from: PG on August 02, 2013, 01:19:22 AM
Quote from: VA $l!m on August 01, 2013, 11:18:21 PM
phish still sucks until they play Lincoln.
I loved you in Lincoln.
I thought he needed more beard; to each his own.
Quote from: Superfreakie on August 02, 2013, 01:57:32 AM
Quote from: PG on August 02, 2013, 01:19:22 AM
Quote from: VA $l!m on August 01, 2013, 11:18:21 PM
phish still sucks until they play Lincoln.
I loved you in Lincoln.
I thought he needed more beard; to each his own.
That Four Scores gag was total bullshit.
I'm Happy :-D :phish: :clap:
WELL?!?!?! Are they back?
Honestly, I don't know if they are back, if they've been back, or if they're never coming back, all I know is I've fallen in love with this band all over again in the last week. That is all.
Quote from: gah on October 26, 2013, 08:40:40 AM
WELL?!?!?! Are they back?
Honestly, I don't know if they are back, if they've been back, or if they're never coming back, all I know is I've fallen in love with this band all over again in the last week. That is all.
:clap:
x2.
WTF are we doing awake?
Quote from: sunrisevt on October 26, 2013, 09:09:26 AM
WTF are we doing awake?
lines blow off strippers asses, hopefully.
Quote from: sunrisevt on October 26, 2013, 09:09:26 AM
x2.
WTF are we doing awake?
Honestly, my calf muscle cramped up in my sleep. It's really painful. That's what woke me up.
drink more beer gotta stay hydrated
Quote from: mbw on October 26, 2013, 09:19:15 AM
Quote from: sunrisevt on October 26, 2013, 09:09:26 AM
WTF are we doing awake?
lines blow off strippers asses, hopefully.
Quote from: blatboom on October 26, 2013, 09:35:04 AM
drink more beer gotta stay hydrated
Quote from: PG on October 26, 2013, 09:24:30 AM
Quote from: sunrisevt on October 26, 2013, 09:09:26 AM
x2.
WTF are we doing awake?
Honestly, my calf muscle cramped up in my sleep. It's really painful. That's what woke me up.
ALL signs of a good night.
I'm just barely not tripping. Slept @ my brother in law's folks house--they run an in-home preschool, there's toys and miniature stuff all over. Had to pee like fifty times b/w 2 & 5 am. Coffee and cake w/ gramma, yes please.
Quote from: gah on October 26, 2013, 08:40:40 AM
all I know is I've fallen in love with this band all over again in the last week. That is all.
glad to have you back.
now, get your ass to new york city for new years eve. that is all.
I wrote a blog post that is largely a review of Hampton but the beginning and end bits are more about my relationship with Phish and if Phish is, indeed back.
Short version: Maybe
http://rowjimmy.net/?p=1313
There are also some lovely pictures that I didn't take if reading isn't your thing.
Quote from: rowjimmy on October 30, 2013, 09:07:12 AM
I wrote a blog post that is largely a review of Hampton but the beginning and end bits are more about my relationship with Phish and if Phish is, indeed back.
Short version: Maybe
http://rowjimmy.net/?p=1313
There are also some lovely pictures that I didn't take if reading isn't your thing.
Look at the pretty lights!!
Quote from: PG on October 30, 2013, 09:13:37 AM
Quote from: rowjimmy on October 30, 2013, 09:07:12 AM
I wrote a blog post that is largely a review of Hampton but the beginning and end bits are more about my relationship with Phish and if Phish is, indeed back.
Short version: Maybe
http://rowjimmy.net/?p=1313
There are also some lovely pictures that I didn't take if reading isn't your thing.
Look at the pretty lights!!
As a behind the stage/eyes-closed-dancer type, these lighting pics fascinate me. I never notice this stuff in the shows.
Quote from: rowjimmy on October 30, 2013, 09:18:57 AM
Quote from: PG on October 30, 2013, 09:13:37 AM
Quote from: rowjimmy on October 30, 2013, 09:07:12 AM
I wrote a blog post that is largely a review of Hampton but the beginning and end bits are more about my relationship with Phish and if Phish is, indeed back.
Short version: Maybe
http://rowjimmy.net/?p=1313
There are also some lovely pictures that I didn't take if reading isn't your thing.
Look at the pretty lights!!
As a behind the stage/eyes-closed-dancer type, these lighting pics fascinate me. I never notice this stuff in the shows.
I'm with you... It's funny because I had floor tickets for the two DCU shows last weekend, so I spent both first sets mostly on the floor before heading back behind the stage with the paug crew (where I really belong). I thought going in that I'd get more into the light show being down there, but instead I spent the whole time down there spinning in circles barely looking at the stage.
In fact, the only time in recent years I've really gotten into watching the lights was at the ACL Fest gig. Something about being in Zilker Park where I've seen so many great sets from so many different bands and different genres made me watch Phish from an outsider's perspective that night. Plus it was my 100th show and I was just really reflective all night.
I missed this thread, look forward to giving your writeup a proper read tonight RJ.
I have to say, I've not been this into the band in some time. Whether that is because of their recent shows, my personal experience in Woosta or because others are getting more onboard, but I like it. Great to have ya back GAH!!!
And I second the notion of behind the stage view, this is the way I want to experience Phish from now or at least when possible. Thanks PG for showing me the way.
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on October 30, 2013, 09:52:18 AM
I missed this thread, look forward to giving your writeup a proper read tonight RJ.
I have to say, I've not been this into the band in some time. Whether that is because of their recent shows, my personal experience in Woosta or because others are getting more onboard, but I like it. Great to have ya back GAH!!!
And I second the notion of behind the stage view, this is the way I want to experience Phish from now or at least when possible. Thanks PG for showing me the way.
BM and I are not rookies.
One thing I kinda regret about Hampton is I didn't move around much. Was pretty much straight back, lower part of balcony, all three nights. Certainly not a bad spot by any means, and we had a crew with us, but definitely not the best use of three nights of GA access. I would like to experience behind the stage at some point.
Yeah I rocked behind or low beside the stage all weekend. Igbo and Blat & the Mrs' sat roughly straight back on Sunday night and I did go visit them but I didn't like the mix. Trey was too shrill.
Mike's zone was fucking boomtownTM and behind Page offers the only real view at what he's doing.
Quote from: rowjimmy on October 30, 2013, 10:14:28 AM
Yeah I rocked behind or low beside the stage all weekend. Igbo and Blat & the Mrs' sat roughly straight back on Sunday night and I did go visit them but I didn't like the mix. Trey was too shrill.
Mike's zone was fucking boomtownTM and behind Page offers the only real view at what he's doing.
Mike zone/Boomtown...I like it.
Behind the stage is a solid spot, floor is fun, but like others I spend 90% of a show with my eyes closed so for me it's really about the sound, I always enjoying being as close to the sbd as possible because I figure that's where it's going to sound best. I started near it every night in Hampton but then ended up all over the floor.
I spent a majority of the weekend moving around and made a concerted effort to go behind the stage to spend some time with the paug crew and I had never really spent any time back there in all my years seeing concerts. I was shocked at what a different experience it was. The lights, the sound, the volume of said sound, the energy. It was like two completely different shows/bands, if you follow me. With that said, I kind of wish I had stayed in one place for more of the show on Saturday. I found myself often distracted and on the move for alot of Saturday night. Admittedly, my buzz was 10x what it was on Saturday night compared to Friday night as I was the DD on Friday and as we all know, that certainly contributes to the experience as well. I blame the jalapeno IPA. :wink:
I really enjoy behind the stage, more of a concentrated feel, everyone is watching the show and the sound is crisp and perfect.
I also enjoy being lower rows on the first ring, its fun to watch people behind the stage
20 Years Later from last night.
http://youtu.be/gCUDj9zWTjs (http://youtu.be/gCUDj9zWTjs)
Let me say this about Trey's playing in the last year or so... What I've noticed (and this video is a PRIME example), is that Trey's right hand is greatly improved. He's playing more rhythm and less lead, but even when he plays big leads he's doing great right had work. I've never thought of him as a great right-hand guitarist before. He's always been an impressive left-hand guitarist - playing machine gun notes all over the fretboard, etc. These days, I'm loving his rhythm skills.
I don't know if that makes sense to anyone else, but think about Pete Townshend. He has always been a great right-hand guitarist... one of the best ever, really. It's why I still go back and listen to Tommy every so often. Pete's acoustic work on that album is a thing to behold. It's all right-hand stuff, though. His left hand is not all over the place playing tons of notes.
Jimmy Page was great with both. Trey has always been good at both, but he was great with the left in the past and, I think, he is great with the right these days. The left has it's moments, too, but in 3.0 those moments are fewer.
Quote from: antelope19 on October 30, 2013, 10:22:10 AM
I blame the jalapeno IPA. :wink:
One day I need to make a beer with those peppers that Homer ate that made him trip.
Quote from: V00D00BR3W on October 30, 2013, 10:51:38 AM
Quote from: antelope19 on October 30, 2013, 10:22:10 AM
I blame the jalapeno IPA. :wink:
One day I need to make a beer with those peppers that Homer ate that made him trip.
The Merciless Pepper of Quetzalacatenango, aka The Guatemalan Insanity Pepper, grown deep in the jungle primeval by the inmates of a Guatemalan insane asylum.
Quote from: mistercharlie on October 30, 2013, 11:10:36 AM
Quote from: V00D00BR3W on October 30, 2013, 10:51:38 AM
Quote from: antelope19 on October 30, 2013, 10:22:10 AM
I blame the jalapeno IPA. :wink:
One day I need to make a beer with those peppers that Homer ate that made him trip.
The Merciless Pepper of Quetzalacatenango, aka The Guatemalan Insanity Pepper, grown deep in the jungle primeval by the inmates of a Guatemalan insane asylum.
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Quote from: PG on October 30, 2013, 10:29:00 AM
20 Years Later from last night.
http://youtu.be/gCUDj9zWTjs (http://youtu.be/gCUDj9zWTjs)
Let me say this about Trey's playing in the last year or so... What I've noticed (and this video is a PRIME example), is that Trey's right hand is greatly improved. He's playing more rhythm and less lead, but even when he plays big leads he's doing great right had work. I've never thought of him as a great right-hand guitarist before. He's always been an impressive left-hand guitarist - playing machine gun notes all over the fretboard, etc. These days, I'm loving his rhythm skills.
I don't know if that makes sense to anyone else, but think about Pete Townshend. He has always been a great right-hand guitarist... one of the best ever, really. It's why I still go back and listen to Tommy every so often. Pete's acoustic work on that album is a thing to behold. It's all right-hand stuff, though. His left hand is not all over the place playing tons of notes.
Jimmy Page was great with both. Trey has always been good at both, but he was great with the left in the past and, I think, he is great with the right these days. The left has it's moments, too, but in 3.0 those moments are fewer.
In recent years, as I've delved into the work of guys like Kottke and Fahey, (on top of Garcia) I've learned to listen closely to exactly what you're talking about. Trey's always been strong with both hands but his rhythm playing has really been coming through this tour.
Quote from: rowjimmy on October 30, 2013, 11:14:58 AM
Quote from: PG on October 30, 2013, 10:29:00 AM
20 Years Later from last night.
http://youtu.be/gCUDj9zWTjs (http://youtu.be/gCUDj9zWTjs)
Let me say this about Trey's playing in the last year or so... What I've noticed (and this video is a PRIME example), is that Trey's right hand is greatly improved. He's playing more rhythm and less lead, but even when he plays big leads he's doing great right had work. I've never thought of him as a great right-hand guitarist before. He's always been an impressive left-hand guitarist - playing machine gun notes all over the fretboard, etc. These days, I'm loving his rhythm skills.
I don't know if that makes sense to anyone else, but think about Pete Townshend. He has always been a great right-hand guitarist... one of the best ever, really. It's why I still go back and listen to Tommy every so often. Pete's acoustic work on that album is a thing to behold. It's all right-hand stuff, though. His left hand is not all over the place playing tons of notes.
Jimmy Page was great with both. Trey has always been good at both, but he was great with the left in the past and, I think, he is great with the right these days. The left has it's moments, too, but in 3.0 those moments are fewer.
In recent years, as I've delved into the work of guys like Kottke and Fahey, (on top of Garcia) I've learned to listen closely to exactly what you're talking about. Trey's always been strong with both hands but his rhythm playing has really been coming through this tour.
Trey's been pulling some great right-hand peaks that are very similar to Garcia peaks in tunes like Morning Dew. I love that shit... those great Morning Dews where Garcia's right hand is moving as fast the blades in an electric razor are some of my favorite Garcia moments. Trey's had a bunch of those type of peaks this year.
Quote from: PG on October 30, 2013, 11:26:16 AM
Quote from: rowjimmy on October 30, 2013, 11:14:58 AM
Quote from: PG on October 30, 2013, 10:29:00 AM
20 Years Later from last night.
http://youtu.be/gCUDj9zWTjs (http://youtu.be/gCUDj9zWTjs)
Let me say this about Trey's playing in the last year or so... What I've noticed (and this video is a PRIME example), is that Trey's right hand is greatly improved. He's playing more rhythm and less lead, but even when he plays big leads he's doing great right had work. I've never thought of him as a great right-hand guitarist before. He's always been an impressive left-hand guitarist - playing machine gun notes all over the fretboard, etc. These days, I'm loving his rhythm skills.
I don't know if that makes sense to anyone else, but think about Pete Townshend. He has always been a great right-hand guitarist... one of the best ever, really. It's why I still go back and listen to Tommy every so often. Pete's acoustic work on that album is a thing to behold. It's all right-hand stuff, though. His left hand is not all over the place playing tons of notes.
Jimmy Page was great with both. Trey has always been good at both, but he was great with the left in the past and, I think, he is great with the right these days. The left has it's moments, too, but in 3.0 those moments are fewer.
In recent years, as I've delved into the work of guys like Kottke and Fahey, (on top of Garcia) I've learned to listen closely to exactly what you're talking about. Trey's always been strong with both hands but his rhythm playing has really been coming through this tour.
Trey's been pulling some great right-hand peaks that are very similar to Garcia peaks in tunes like Morning Dew. I love that shit... those great Morning Dews where Garcia's right hand is moving as fast the blades in an electric razor are some of my favorite Garcia moments. Trey's had a bunch of those type of peaks this year.
Interesting you say that, because I've felt that Trey has fallen back on that "trick" more often this era in order to cover for a lack of dexterity in his left hand (or lack of ideas) relative to his younger self. That's been my theory anyway. We've heard it a lot in modern-era Slaves, for example, where the peak is just fast strumming as opposed to intricate and deliberately constructed peaking lead lines of old.
That's not to say I think it's a bad technique or can't be well executed. But I've wondered if Trey's always been doing it for the "right" reasons.
How old is Trey? 50ish?
Lack of left hand technique is BS imho......Its damage from the opiate addiction. Listen to all the greats that have had that addiction pre and post recovery to spot the difference. Anyone who says it's "age" related is full of manure....considering the likes of Satriani, Vai, King (not BB), Santana.....Those guys can still RIP THE SHIT out of left hand technique and they are just as old if not older than Trey.....
It's lack of disciplined practice coupled with nerve/coordination damage from the opiates....You've mentioned Garcia. PERFECT example except he also had carpel tunnel on top of it.
Fan picking is a crutch for the most part, imho.
I don't really hear much difference in Trey's right hand except for the fact that he's laying low most of the time. His right hand is what makes him what he is. Maybe revisit some early-mid 90's shows and you'll see that his right hand has ALWAYS been a strong point.....the main difference being that his left USED TO be able to keep up with the right......aka Machine Gunning. To me, his right hand technique is something I strongly try to emulate with my own playing. His pick attack is the shit dreams are made of. His pick accuracy and speed is (was) top shelf. He totally could have been a member of Slayer back in the day.....and would have fit very well in Frank Zappas band with his dexterity in both hands. Nowadays, you just notice the right hand more because it's covering for what he can no longer do with the left like he used to. I also think this is where the whale comes in....it's covering his shortfalls in dexterity.
I certainly wouldn't say that Trey's chops are today the same as they were 20 years ago, but every now and then he'll rip off some lines or a sequence that's just as impressive as what his younger self was capable of. I'm no guitarologist so I may be full of hooey here, but I'd think that means his hand is *physically* capable of playing fast, dextrous shit, it's just that with less practice it doesn't come as easily, as often, and so what we hear these days is muscle memory kicking in from time to time.
Quote from: V00D00BR3W on November 18, 2013, 09:52:50 AM
I certainly wouldn't say that Trey's chops are today the same as they were 20 years ago, but every now and then he'll rip off some lines or a sequence that's just as impressive as what his younger self was capable of. I'm no guitarologist so I may be full of hooey here, but I'd think that means his hand is *physically* capable of playing fast, dextrous shit, it's just that with less practice it doesn't come as easily, as often, and so what we hear these days is muscle memory kicking in from time to time.
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No. That's not the case at all. 20 years ago Trey was one of the best guitarists ever. Trey in 2013 is lucky to be in the top 200 good currently touring guitarist list.
Quote from: V00D00BR3W on November 18, 2013, 09:52:50 AM
I certainly wouldn't say that Trey's chops are today the same as they were 20 years ago, but every now and then he'll rip off some lines or a sequence that's just as impressive as what his younger self was capable of. I'm no guitarologist so I may be full of hooey here, but I'd think that means his hand is *physically* capable of playing fast, dextrous shit, it's just that with less practice it doesn't come as easily, as often, and so what we hear these days is muscle memory kicking in from time to time.
I'd love to hear a single example of any 3.0 playing where Trey showcases technical prowess that even begins to approach any of his fluidity from pre-hiatus. Somehow, between September 2000 and December 2002, he lost a bunch of ability. I do not believe this was a conscious choice (to lay low and shred less) but a complete inability to play as he used to play. I'd argue that in 2.0, he played with more authority compared to nowadays, but it was mostly slopville all the time. His leads were muddy and sloppy and lacked the attack and precision he used to have.
I have no idea what happened. Occasionally he'll play something in a composed section (like the runs in mockingbird) that gives me a sense that he has the ability to play better but it never manifests itself in fluid playing during improvisation or leads.
His playing seems better for sure, but it really isn't even close to what it once was. Like I said recently, this most clearly shows up in really horrible solos out of DWD where he insists or banging out really cheesy hammer-ons that sound like I did in my first year of playing guitar. Like, play something more lyrical that doesn't require technique - please stop with those fucking hammer-ons.
Quote from: Itsnotanexperience on November 18, 2013, 10:02:54 AM
Quote from: V00D00BR3W on November 18, 2013, 09:52:50 AM
I certainly wouldn't say that Trey's chops are today the same as they were 20 years ago, but every now and then he'll rip off some lines or a sequence that's just as impressive as what his younger self was capable of. I'm no guitarologist so I may be full of hooey here, but I'd think that means his hand is *physically* capable of playing fast, dextrous shit, it's just that with less practice it doesn't come as easily, as often, and so what we hear these days is muscle memory kicking in from time to time.
I'd love to hear a single example of any 3.0 playing where Trey showcases technical prowess that even begins to approach any of his fluidity from pre-hiatus. Somehow, between September 2000 and December 2002, he lost a bunch of ability. I do not believe this was a conscious choice (to lay low and shred less) but a complete inability to play as he used to play. I'd argue that in 2.0, he played with more authority compared to nowadays, but it was mostly slopville all the time. His leads were muddy and sloppy and lacked the attack and precision he used to have.
I have no idea what happened. Occasionally he'll play something in a composed section (like the runs in mockingbird) that gives me a sense that he has the ability to play better but it never manifests itself in fluid playing during improvisation or leads.
His playing seems better for sure, but it really isn't even close to what it once was. Like I said recently, this most clearly shows up in really horrible solos out of DWD where he insists or banging out really cheesy hammer-ons that sound like I did in my first year of playing guitar. Like, play something more lyrical that doesn't require technique - please stop with those fucking hammer-ons.
Exactly. I'd make the argument, put on 12/11/97, that's how it should sound. Just a blazing assortment of awesome, where he completely dominates the fret board up and down the neck like a guitar god.
^^^I agree with most all of this.
I don't have an opinion about Trey's physical dexterity as it may or may not be affecting his instrumental prowess--I'm inclined to think that the confidence/self-consciousness issues might play as big a role in his hesitant/dicked-up playing here & there as does any physical/neural deficit from age and health. I also don't think his playing is so very lacking as many of you do.
What I do really like, though, and what helps keep me so interested in new :phish: jams now, is that his playing in 3.0 is to my ear more spacious, more patient, maybe more mature, than it was 20 years ago. Basically, he's playing fewer notes, and he's now fully matured into that practice. He talked about it in the Charlie Rose interview in 2004 I think, or maybe in the interviews in the IT fest dvd. And Mike was obviously talking about it in the gun shop in Bittersweet Motel, and it was discussed in the interviews in The Phish Book--that they had to learn to play fewer notes in order to fill big rooms (read: arenas). The upshot of this, now that they've fully adjusted to this and other realities, is that there's more room for the other band members to shine.
I know I'm not saying anything new here; it's well-travelled ground for this crowd. But I really, really dig it. I've heard Trey's rock peak a million times, I love it like I love beer. But I can't live on beer alone, sadly.
Quote from: Itsnotanexperience on November 18, 2013, 10:02:54 AM
Quote from: V00D00BR3W on November 18, 2013, 09:52:50 AM
I certainly wouldn't say that Trey's chops are today the same as they were 20 years ago, but every now and then he'll rip off some lines or a sequence that's just as impressive as what his younger self was capable of. I'm no guitarologist so I may be full of hooey here, but I'd think that means his hand is *physically* capable of playing fast, dextrous shit, it's just that with less practice it doesn't come as easily, as often, and so what we hear these days is muscle memory kicking in from time to time.
I'd love to hear a single example of any 3.0 playing where Trey showcases technical prowess that even begins to approach any of his fluidity from pre-hiatus. Somehow, between September 2000 and December 2002, he lost a bunch of ability. I do not believe this was a conscious choice (to lay low and shred less) but a complete inability to play as he used to play. I'd argue that in 2.0, he played with more authority compared to nowadays, but it was mostly slopville all the time. His leads were muddy and sloppy and lacked the attack and precision he used to have.
I have no idea what happened. Occasionally he'll play something in a composed section (like the runs in mockingbird) that gives me a sense that he has the ability to play better but it never manifests itself in fluid playing during improvisation or leads.
His playing seems better for sure, but it really isn't even close to what it once was. Like I said recently, this most clearly shows up in really horrible solos out of DWD where he insists or banging out really cheesy hammer-ons that sound like I did in my first year of playing guitar. Like, play something more lyrical that doesn't require technique - please stop with those fucking hammer-ons.
Well.....there are SOME moments in 2004 where its like "WHOA"......few and far between but "WHOA". That was also the time the opiates were heavily circulating thru his bloodstream......revisit Coventry. Totally wasted till SOAMelt and then pulls off an amazingly good jam. Then quits the opiates, and look at what happened......speed and dexterity are severely compromised......fast forward to today, and lack of disciplined practice only amplifies that fact. I would be willing to bet the farm on this fact: If Trey practiced, like REALLY practiced, he'd be able to
play like his younger self again.....
Let me just clarify my statement......
By saying "playing like his younger self" I am stating that the dexterity issues would resolve and that, in turn, would revive his ability to play more fluid/melodic lines. I'm not making this statement wishing for the frenetic/crazy/20minute machine gun solos of yesteryear......I make the statement wishing for more fluid/easily expressed/melodic/accurate playing on his part in the context of the songs being played NOW.
Quote from: sophist on November 18, 2013, 10:00:50 AM
Quote from: V00D00BR3W on November 18, 2013, 09:52:50 AM
I certainly wouldn't say that Trey's chops are today the same as they were 20 years ago, but every now and then he'll rip off some lines or a sequence that's just as impressive as what his younger self was capable of. I'm no guitarologist so I may be full of hooey here, but I'd think that means his hand is *physically* capable of playing fast, dextrous shit, it's just that with less practice it doesn't come as easily, as often, and so what we hear these days is muscle memory kicking in from time to time.
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No. That's not the case at all. 20 years ago Trey was one of the best guitarists ever. Trey in 2013 is lucky to be in the top 200 good currently touring guitarist list.
You're making a generality, which I believe I already addressed:
Quote from: V00D00BR3W on November 18, 2013, 09:52:50 AM
I certainly wouldn't say that Trey's chops are today the same as they were 20 years ago
I'm literally talking about isolated moments. Like, queue up the 10/23/13 Rock and Roll (http://www.phishtracks.com/shows/2013-10-23/rock-and-roll) and check out 7:25-7:32. There are other examples that have popped up over the last five years as well. Just a few, brief, shining seconds where it does not seem, to my ears, that Trey's left hand has permanently, irretrievably lost any semblance of elite-level physicality. That's my point.
I'd say you're showing a lack of music knowledge if you think that stands anywhere near Trey 20 years ago. All due respect, but the clip you picked is crap. It's a 3 note hammer-on, using the whammy pedal. That's using effects to mask shitty technique and lack of proficiency. 20 years ago, he would have blasted out some complex arpeggio that runs the length of the fret board. In it of itself requiring a vast understanding of music theory, balls that fit in a wheel barrow, and god like precision to pull it off.
That's the fucking difference. He is unable to do that now. He doesn't think musically anymore and it shows. It's not the intelligent musician he once was, and that comes down to disciplined practice. There's hardly any if at all, playing the changes, or going outside the standard scale box when he solos. What originally made think how fucking incredible Trey was in the 90's. There wasn't a limit to what he could do. There's only limits now.
Just admit it, Ramz, you hate music.
Quote from: sophist on November 18, 2013, 11:20:53 AM
I'd say you're showing a lack of music knowledge
I did say I'm not a guitarist, so I freely admit I'm only reacting to what I perceive through my layman's ears.
Quote from: sophist on November 18, 2013, 11:20:53 AM
It's not the intelligent musician he once was, and that comes down to disciplined practice.
Soooo that's basically what I'm saying:
Quote from: V00D00BR3W on November 18, 2013, 09:52:50 AM
I'd think that means his hand is *physically* capable of playing fast, dextrous shit, it's just that with less practice it doesn't come as easily, as often
This all started with a comment that opiate use has damaged Trey's nerves and that's why his left hand sucks, and now I believe everyone's saying he could be better if he just practiced.
So basically everyone agrees with me. 8-)
I will say that the 11/2/13 DWD is a great example of Trey doing what he can now, well. Tasty leads out of the composed section and a nice blend into the jam. I just hope he maintains this in the future.
I'm not convinced he would be better with practice (for leads) but agree it wouldn't hurt one bit:)
Well, I think we're gonna find out if he plays better with practice at the upcoming MSG run. Recording this new album, regardless of how you feel about it, is probably the closest thing they've had to practice in years.
Quote from: antelope19 on November 18, 2013, 12:16:35 PM
Well, I think we're gonna find out if he plays better with practice at the upcoming MSG run. Recording this new album, regardless of how you feel about it, is probably the closest thing they've had to practice in years.
True, although it (Joy) did little to prop up his chops in 2009.
One last thought as some of us lament the loss of trey-shred is the fact that he pulled off some highly flashy playing without sounding like a shred-head idiot. That was pure genius in itself.
Quote from: Itsnotanexperience on November 18, 2013, 12:19:15 PM
One last thought as some of us lament the loss of trey-shred is the fact that he pulled off some highly flashy playing without sounding like a shred-head idiot. That was pure genius in itself.
This is what I appreciate in 3.0 in general. I love "shredding Trey" guitar but I love "pulsing atmospheric" Trey moving in & around the other musicians, too. I can hear that, and see balance and maturity in the entity of :phish: .
Quote from: Itsnotanexperience on November 18, 2013, 12:17:53 PM
Quote from: antelope19 on November 18, 2013, 12:16:35 PM
Well, I think we're gonna find out if he plays better with practice at the upcoming MSG run. Recording this new album, regardless of how you feel about it, is probably the closest thing they've had to practice in years.
True, although it (Joy) did little to prop up his chops in 2009.
Joy didn't really require chops...
I haven't listened to a note of Wingsuit yet so I can't speak for that.
Quote from: McGrupp on November 18, 2013, 03:24:26 PM
I haven't listened to a note of Wingsuit yet so I can't speak for that.
Wish I could say the same...
Quote from: McGrupp on November 18, 2013, 03:24:26 PM
Quote from: Itsnotanexperience on November 18, 2013, 12:17:53 PM
Quote from: antelope19 on November 18, 2013, 12:16:35 PM
Well, I think we're gonna find out if he plays better with practice at the upcoming MSG run. Recording this new album, regardless of how you feel about it, is probably the closest thing they've had to practice in years.
True, although it (Joy) did little to prop up his chops in 2009.
Joy didn't really require chops...
I haven't listened to a note of Wingsuit yet so I can't speak for that.
No, and nor will Wingsuit - but if the point is that practice in preparation for recording may help out Trey's overall ability, I don't see any recent precedent to support that.
Quote from: McGrupp on November 18, 2013, 03:24:26 PM
Quote from: Itsnotanexperience on November 18, 2013, 12:17:53 PM
Quote from: antelope19 on November 18, 2013, 12:16:35 PM
Well, I think we're gonna find out if he plays better with practice at the upcoming MSG run. Recording this new album, regardless of how you feel about it, is probably the closest thing they've had to practice in years.
True, although it (Joy) did little to prop up his chops in 2009.
Joy didn't really require chops...
I see you've completely blocked TTE from your memory, good for you.
Quote from: sunrisevt on November 18, 2013, 12:55:34 PM
Quote from: Itsnotanexperience on November 18, 2013, 12:19:15 PM
One last thought as some of us lament the loss of trey-shred is the fact that he pulled off some highly flashy playing without sounding like a shred-head idiot. That was pure genius in itself.
This is what I appreciate in 3.0 in general. I love "shredding Trey" guitar but I love "pulsing atmospheric" Trey moving in & around the other musicians, too. I can hear that, and see balance and maturity in the entity of :phish: .
I get that and I agree, however, I think what some of us are missing isn't just the raging solos of DwD (12/11/97, 9/12/00) but the overall flow of solos like he played in the 6/30/00 Halley's or the 7/22/97 Taste (obviously countless examples - these are the first coming to mind today). Think of the overall flow of Trey's playing in the 1/1/00 DwD - after the main solo it's just gorgeous, relatively easy to play, melody and vibe.........does he get there now? Occasionally, but rarely is it quite as sublime. I find that in spots, I can hear Trey thinking about what to play instead of playing a line with authority. Chops help, but there's still something missing in his execution.
But to give credit where it is due, that 11/2 DwD is fucking great.
The Dick's Gin from September comes to mind as an example of him coming somewhat close to Trey of the past but falling way short. I honestly love that Gin but compared to a standard Gin from even 2000, it's not the same deal.
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Well, I think we're gonna find out if he plays better with practice at the upcoming MSG run. Recording this new album, regardless of how you feel about it, is probably the closest thing they've had to practice in years.
True, although it (Joy) did little to prop up his chops in 2009.
Joy didn't really require chops...
I haven't listened to a note of Wingsuit yet so I can't speak for that.
No, and nor will Wingsuit - but if the point is that practice in preparation for recording may help out Trey's overall ability, I don't see any recent precedent to support that.
I would think that simply playing together, no matter the material, can only help them.
I'm with Ramz on the Trey stuff overall. Archive releases are big reminders of previous Jedi greatness and we aren't talking just technical brilliance alone - there was a fire in Trey I so rarely hear in him anymore that I still hear in other older players today (metheny always comes to mind and truly one of Trey's early influences.....Zappa) - of course neither of those two had a drug problem and perhaps the opiates fucked Trey up permanently. I do love this band and what they are up to more and more the past year but will always miss Trey of old. His Jedi mind tricks may have been icing on a much larger cake but I fucking love me some fucking icing.
Quote from: Itsnotanexperience on November 18, 2013, 08:44:26 PM
I'm with Ramz on the Trey stuff overall. Archive releases are big reminders of previous Jedi greatness and we aren't talking just technical brilliance alone - there was a fire in Trey I so rarely hear in him anymore that I still hear in other older players today (metheny always comes to mind and truly one of Trey's early influences.....Zappa) - of course neither of those two had a drug problem and perhaps the opiates fucked Trey up permanently. I do love this band and what they are up to more and more the past year but will always miss Trey of old. His Jedi mind tricks may have been icing on a much larger cake but I fucking love me some fucking icing.
agreed with everything thats been said in this.
his jedi-ness really does show on archival releases esp these summer/fall/winter 95 releases. He just knew the material SO well from playing it so frequently that he could do some masterful stuff with it. He knew the ins and outs and timing on every composed piece and knew exactly when and how to throw in licks and shreds when he wanted.
He really was/is a master of improvisation and a master on the guitar.
Phish used to be Treys band. I feel He controlled all aspects of the music.
Over the last 20 years he's stepped back more and more from that role.
I think what we hear now is a more mature band where each member is on equall footing in controlling the direction of music. It's not worse. It's just evolved.
Quote from: birdman on November 18, 2013, 09:03:46 PM
Phish used to be Treys band. I feel He controlled all aspects of the music.
Over the last 20 years he's stepped back more and more from that role.
I think what we hear now is a more mature band where each member is on equall footing in controlling the direction of music. It's not worse. It's just evolved.
It's like a new band built on top of the old one.
Yeah def feel like all the members collaborate more on the Phish material now then before.
It used to be each of the members brought something musically to the jams and to the style/types of songs they played or covered. But Trey still called the shots on what songs to play/how to play it since I feel like him and tom were writing most the songs then. Or trey was at least writing all the music for them.
Nowadays they are all coming together as a group and collaborating and writing the music together. They def try to spread the music around and have each member contribute something. It also prob helps trey out more since he doesnt have as much responsibility with the music as he used to and can kind just sit back and ride for some of the songs.
Quote from: rowjimmy on November 18, 2013, 09:08:27 PM
Quote from: birdman on November 18, 2013, 09:03:46 PM
Phish used to be Treys band. I feel He controlled all aspects of the music.
Over the last 20 years he's stepped back more and more from that role.
I think what we hear now is a more mature band where each member is on equall footing in controlling the direction of music. It's not worse. It's just evolved.
It's like a new band built on top of the old one.
Exactly.
I'm sorry for those who missed those early years. But I've been there. I like where the band is now.
Quote from: birdman on November 18, 2013, 09:46:32 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on November 18, 2013, 09:08:27 PM
Quote from: birdman on November 18, 2013, 09:03:46 PM
Phish used to be Treys band. I feel He controlled all aspects of the music.
Over the last 20 years he's stepped back more and more from that role.
I think what we hear now is a more mature band where each member is on equall footing in controlling the direction of music. It's not worse. It's just evolved.
It's like a new band built on top of the old one.
Exactly.
I'm sorry for those who missed those early years. But I've been there. I like where the band is now.
Exactly....Seems like most people that were there feel the same way too. At least all the people I know.
Quote from: birdman on November 18, 2013, 09:46:32 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on November 18, 2013, 09:08:27 PM
Quote from: birdman on November 18, 2013, 09:03:46 PM
Phish used to be Treys band. I feel He controlled all aspects of the music.
Over the last 20 years he's stepped back more and more from that role.
I think what we hear now is a more mature band where each member is on equall footing in controlling the direction of music. It's not worse. It's just evolved.
It's like a new band built on top of the old one.
Exactly.
I'm sorry for those who missed those early years. But I've been there. I like where the band is now.
This really says it all. Not that I saw 95 shreddage but I'm loving what they're doing lately, leaves me wanting more.
FUCKING BACK!!!!!!!!
Also...
(http://www.ziakayakoutfitters.com/images/logos/ogrlogo.jpg)
Here is my buddy lawnmemo's recent take on young Trey vs. old Trey:
http://lawnmemo.com/a-love-rekindled-my-fall-tour-crush-on-trey/
Quote from: birdman on November 18, 2013, 09:46:32 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on November 18, 2013, 09:08:27 PM
Quote from: birdman on November 18, 2013, 09:03:46 PM
Phish used to be Treys band. I feel He controlled all aspects of the music.
Over the last 20 years he's stepped back more and more from that role.
I think what we hear now is a more mature band where each member is on equall footing in controlling the direction of music. It's not worse. It's just evolved.
It's like a new band built on top of the old one.
Exactly.
I'm sorry for those who missed those early years. But I've been there. I like where the band is now.
This makes me happy. I think a lot of people get caught up in the past. I think some of the criticism in the last 10 years is fair, there were some rough spots, but they're where they are now, which I think is a great place...they're clearly really happy and together. Sure, it's not the same as it was in 1995 (and I only have experience from that time through recordings), but its not 1995, its 2013 and I think what they're doing now is pretty damn good and they're all really in it, which I love. Just my .02.
I'm coming up on a quarter century soon - how time flies - and the funny thing about Phish is that, no matter how hard I try not to, they keep tricking me into having a good time.
Am I in the right place? Where'd all the hate go?
Quote from: Undermind on November 19, 2013, 05:48:35 AM
Am I in the right place? Where'd all the hate go?
HEY, FUCK YOU!
:wink:
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Quote from: Undermind on November 19, 2013, 05:48:35 AM
Am I in the right place? Where'd all the hate go?
HEY, FUCK YOU!
:wink:
thanks... that's more what I am looking for from here :)
Quote from: Superfreakie on November 19, 2013, 02:08:23 AM
I'm coming up on a quarter century soon - how time flies - and the funny thing about Phish is that, no matter how hard I try not to, they keep tricking me into having a good time.
:frustrated:
or...................... :roll:
:-)
Nope--the appropriate responses to sf here include :music: :rockout: :banana: :clap: :crazy: :smoke: :beers: :beerbang: and :rawk:.
That is all.
Would be nice of them to work out the proper way to end Taste.
Quote from: Itsnotanexperience on November 20, 2013, 04:09:22 PM
Would be nice of them to work out the proper way to end Taste.
in an era of pet peeves, that may be my own personal peeviest. they've yet to play a single version of Taste in 3.0 that didn't have a screwed up ending.
Quote from: cactusfan on November 21, 2013, 01:00:53 AM
Quote from: Itsnotanexperience on November 20, 2013, 04:09:22 PM
Would be nice of them to work out the proper way to end Taste.
in an era of pet peeves, that may be my own personal peeviest. they've yet to play a single version of Taste in 3.0 that didn't have a screwed up ending.
Taste is one thing
But not having one
really good and unique Mike's or YEM is another thing
Quote from: GBL on November 21, 2013, 01:22:07 AM
Quote from: cactusfan on November 21, 2013, 01:00:53 AM
Quote from: Itsnotanexperience on November 20, 2013, 04:09:22 PM
Would be nice of them to work out the proper way to end Taste.
in an era of pet peeves, that may be my own personal peeviest. they've yet to play a single version of Taste in 3.0 that didn't have a screwed up ending.
Taste is one thing
But not having one really good and unique Mike's or YEM is another thing
MSG 09 YEM passes that test IMO. Still one of my fav cuts of 3.0.
Quote from: JPhishman on November 21, 2013, 02:48:51 AM
Quote from: GBL on November 21, 2013, 01:22:07 AM
Quote from: cactusfan on November 21, 2013, 01:00:53 AM
Quote from: Itsnotanexperience on November 20, 2013, 04:09:22 PM
Would be nice of them to work out the proper way to end Taste.
in an era of pet peeves, that may be my own personal peeviest. they've yet to play a single version of Taste in 3.0 that didn't have a screwed up ending.
Taste is one thing
But not having one really good and unique Mike's or YEM is another thing
MSG 09 YEM passes that test IMO. Still one of my fav cuts of 3.0.
this. the msg 10 yem isnt bad either.
reading composed section was a trainwreck.
a couple other yems I remember were pretty good. The MPP 2010 YEM. MPP 2013 YEM
Camden 2010 yem wasnt bad either.
but they all are the same record. So how do they really pass that test? Listenable? Sure. Interesting? Nope.
Quote from: sophist on November 21, 2013, 10:16:53 AM
but they all are the same record. So how do they really pass that test? Listenable? Sure. Interesting? Nope.
Yeah, pretty much. The band made it through the composed and jam sections without any
major flubs or miscues.
Jam might not have gone anywhere, but it wasnt a trainwreck or a false start.
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Quote from: Itsnotanexperience on November 20, 2013, 04:09:22 PM
Would be nice of them to work out the proper way to end Taste.
in an era of pet peeves, that may be my own personal peeviest. they've yet to play a single version of Taste in 3.0 that didn't have a screwed up ending.
Compared to the composed sections in Bowie, Reba and YEM alone, it's EASY. And it's one of my favorite things they used to play............I don't think it's asking too much to spend some time working it out.
The 8 minute Mike's are something else entirely. That song only really works as a vehicle to an end-of-world, barn-burning jam. It's not supposed to be Mike's>Stranglehold>end.
Quote from: Itsnotanexperience on November 22, 2013, 11:49:07 AM
The 8 minute Mike's are something else entirely. That song only really works as a vehicle to an end-of-world, barn-burning jam. It's not supposed to be Mike's>Stranglehold>end.
I call bullshit.
Go back to the beginning.
Mike's Song works just fine as a short piece, a part of the whole Mike's Groove or, as they called it in the 80's, "Total Mike's".
Quote from: rowjimmy on November 22, 2013, 11:49:51 AM
Quote from: Itsnotanexperience on November 22, 2013, 11:49:07 AM
The 8 minute Mike's are something else entirely. That song only really works as a vehicle to an end-of-world, barn-burning jam. It's not supposed to be Mike's>Stranglehold>end.
I call bullshit.
Go back to the beginning.
Maybe not the very beginning but:
http://www.phishtracks.com/shows/1987-08-21/mike-s-song
And here's a 12 minute version from 1988:
http://www.phishtracks.com/shows/1988-08-03
Quote from: Hicks on November 22, 2013, 12:08:40 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on November 22, 2013, 11:49:51 AM
Quote from: Itsnotanexperience on November 22, 2013, 11:49:07 AM
The 8 minute Mike's are something else entirely. That song only really works as a vehicle to an end-of-world, barn-burning jam. It's not supposed to be Mike's>Stranglehold>end.
I call bullshit.
Go back to the beginning.
Maybe not the very beginning but:
http://www.phishtracks.com/shows/1987-08-21/mike-s-song
And here's a 12 minute version from 1988:
http://www.phishtracks.com/shows/1988-08-03
I'm not saying they never extended it, I'm saying that it wasn't always the rule or even required for awesomeness.
Try this:
http://www.phishtracks.com/shows/1989-05-28/mike-s-song-i-am-hydrogen-weekapaug-groove
Mikes ends in fewer than 8 minutes and if you say it doesn't rip then you hate Phish.
or this: http://www.phishtracks.com/shows/1989-03-12/mike-s-song
6:47
Time isn't everything.
Plenty of incredible versions of Mike's are <8 minutes. Lot's of 94 versions clock in at 5-6 minutes.
the difference is, they used to bring you to hell in back in those 6 minutes. Now, Trey just does a mini-rawk solo for 6 minutes.
Looks like the last jammed Mikes was 2/21/03 (but that jam is garbage to my ears) so I'm going to say the last legitimately jammed Mikes was 7/14/00
Mikes hasn't been the same since 96.
Quote from: birdman on November 22, 2013, 12:40:15 PM
Mikes hasn't been the same since 96.
I'd say 98 but yeah, these days it's almost pissbreak status.
:shakehead:
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on November 22, 2013, 12:38:44 PM
Plenty of incredible versions of Mike's are <8 minutes. Lot's of 94 versions clock in at 5-6 minutes.
the difference is, they used to bring you to hell in back in those 6 minutes. Now, Trey just does a mini-rawk solo for 6 minutes.
Looks like the last jammed Mikes was 2/21/03 (but that jam is garbage to my ears) so I'm going to say the last legitimately jammed Mikes was 7/14/00
pretty much 100% spot on here (albeit, I like 2/21/03).
Quote from: sophist on November 22, 2013, 01:01:47 PM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on November 22, 2013, 12:38:44 PM
Plenty of incredible versions of Mike's are <8 minutes. Lot's of 94 versions clock in at 5-6 minutes.
the difference is, they used to bring you to hell in back in those 6 minutes. Now, Trey just does a mini-rawk solo for 6 minutes.
Looks like the last jammed Mikes was 2/21/03 (but that jam is garbage to my ears) so I'm going to say the last legitimately jammed Mikes was 7/14/00
pretty much 100% spot on here (albeit, I like 2/21/03).
co-signed
Microjams guys, microjams.
Also....take into consideration that there's quite a few "prime" Mike's that are 10+ that are a waste of time.....delay loop jams and stuff.....so after you cut the nonsense, you're left with about 7-10 minutes of worthy material.....
juss sayin
Mike's used to be a statement.
You knew you were in for a long ride of awesomeness.
Hampton '97 and Nassau '98 show openers come to mind.
I'm a big fan of the Summer '98 versions.
As for recent short versions, 7-7-00 and Alpine 'o4 rip.
It's all been downhill since they stopped using the tramps on Mike's :roll:
Quote from: Caravan2001 on November 22, 2013, 08:12:55 PM
It's all been downhill since they stopped using the tramps on Mike's :roll:
and insane amounts of fog
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Quote from: Caravan2001 on November 22, 2013, 08:12:55 PM
It's all been downhill since they stopped using the tramps on Mike's :roll:
and insane amounts of fog
you know it bro!
Quote from: Caravan2001 on November 22, 2013, 08:54:28 PM
Quote from: anthrax on November 22, 2013, 08:28:01 PM
Quote from: Caravan2001 on November 22, 2013, 08:12:55 PM
It's all been downhill since they stopped using the tramps on Mike's :roll:
and insane amounts of fog
you know it bro!
Running around the stage with the megaphone was the last good thing ever.
Quote from: rowjimmy on November 22, 2013, 09:15:52 PM
Quote from: Caravan2001 on November 22, 2013, 08:54:28 PM
Quote from: anthrax on November 22, 2013, 08:28:01 PM
Quote from: Caravan2001 on November 22, 2013, 08:12:55 PM
It's all been downhill since they stopped using the tramps on Mike's :roll:
and insane amounts of fog
you know it bro!
Running around the stage with the megaphone was the last good thing ever.
Well, let's not forget about tiny hats :roll:
Quote from: Caravan2001 on November 22, 2013, 10:04:07 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on November 22, 2013, 09:15:52 PM
Quote from: Caravan2001 on November 22, 2013, 08:54:28 PM
Quote from: anthrax on November 22, 2013, 08:28:01 PM
Quote from: Caravan2001 on November 22, 2013, 08:12:55 PM
It's all been downhill since they stopped using the tramps on Mike's :roll:
and insane amounts of fog
you know it bro!
Running around the stage with the megaphone was the last good thing ever.
Well, let's not forget about tiny hats :roll:
Tiny hats are simply incidental heralds of the coming end times.
Quote from: JPhishman on November 21, 2013, 02:48:51 AM
Quote from: GBL on November 21, 2013, 01:22:07 AM
Quote from: cactusfan on November 21, 2013, 01:00:53 AM
Quote from: Itsnotanexperience on November 20, 2013, 04:09:22 PM
Would be nice of them to work out the proper way to end Taste.
in an era of pet peeves, that may be my own personal peeviest. they've yet to play a single version of Taste in 3.0 that didn't have a screwed up ending.
Taste is one thing
But not having one really good and unique Mike's or YEM is another thing
MSG 09 YEM passes that test IMO. Still one of my fav cuts of 3.0.
I'm gonna check it out and ill report back
Quote from: Hicks on November 22, 2013, 12:08:40 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on November 22, 2013, 11:49:51 AM
Quote from: Itsnotanexperience on November 22, 2013, 11:49:07 AM
The 8 minute Mike's are something else entirely. That song only really works as a vehicle to an end-of-world, barn-burning jam. It's not supposed to be Mike's>Stranglehold>end.
I call bullshit.
Go back to the beginning.
Maybe not the very beginning but:
http://www.phishtracks.com/shows/1987-08-21/mike-s-song
And here's a 12 minute version from 1988:
http://www.phishtracks.com/shows/1988-08-03
Screw length....I get it. Point is that 3.0 Mike's lack any decent development into previously mind-bending territory.
Quote from: Augustus on November 22, 2013, 08:10:18 PM
Mike's used to be a statement.
You knew you were in for a long ride of awesomeness.
Hampton '97 and Nassau '98 show openers come to mind.
I'm a big fan of the Summer '98 versions.
As for recent short versions, 7-7-00 and Alpine 'o4 rip.
Forgot about that alpine '04 version - indeed a ripper from one of the phinest 2.0 weekends.
In honor of last night's show..
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on March 08, 2009, 12:59:15 AM
Honestyly, that second set was likely the best set played since 97-98!
Fucking Fuego
Wooooohooooooo! :wtu:
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on July 27, 2014, 10:46:17 PM
Wooooohooooooo! :wtu:
I love this kid! He got a "Tweezerfest" in his eyes!!
Quote from: PG on July 27, 2014, 10:48:44 PM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on July 27, 2014, 10:46:17 PM
Wooooohooooooo! :wtu:
I love this kid! He got a "Tweezerfest" in his eyes!!
He probably got some in his hair.
Dudes. This show was soooo gooooddd.
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on July 28, 2014, 12:03:56 AM
Dudes. This show was soooo gooooddd.
yessss!!!
still high off that MPP sunday show! so much energy
well, this goes somewhere, anyway, and this thread seemed like a reasonable choice. i guess he didn't realize he was writing out a piece of phish setlist history.
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/horse.png)
http://xkcd.com/1418/
Quote from: cactusfan on September 22, 2014, 03:15:51 AM
well, this goes somewhere, anyway, and this thread seemed like a reasonable choice. i guess he didn't realize he was writing out a piece of phish setlist history.
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/horse.png)
http://xkcd.com/1418/
May the horse be with you? Big Red won't like that.
No LST last night!
Everyone was clearly living in the moment and too swept up to paug and THAT, my friends, is how I know that Phish is Fucking Back!
or something.
Maybe not.
ymmv
never mind
How is it even remotely possible that this band I've been seeing for 23 years just blew me away again?
Quote from: PGLHAH on November 01, 2014, 04:18:02 AM
How is it even remotely possible that this band I've been seeing for 23 years just blew me away again?
Yeah buddy! Yeah phish! :wtu:
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on November 01, 2014, 06:16:40 AM
Quote from: PGLHAH on November 01, 2014, 04:18:02 AM
How is it even remotely possible that this band I've been seeing for 23 years just blew me away again?
Yeah buddy! Yeah phish! :wtu:
We are the champions my friend!
Quote from: Hicks on November 01, 2014, 10:12:57 AM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on November 01, 2014, 06:16:40 AM
Quote from: PGLHAH on November 01, 2014, 04:18:02 AM
How is it even remotely possible that this band I've been seeing for 23 years just blew me away again?
Yeah buddy! Yeah phish! :wtu:
We are the champions my friend!
everyone's a winner! :crazy:
Wasn't sure where to post this, so here it is...
https://mobile.twitter.com/TomMarshall111/status/564621860768591872/photo/1 (https://mobile.twitter.com/TomMarshall111/status/564621860768591872/photo/1)
Quote from: PGLHAH on February 08, 2015, 10:24:46 PM
Wasn't sure where to post this, so here it is...
https://mobile.twitter.com/TomMarshall111/status/564621860768591872/photo/1 (https://mobile.twitter.com/TomMarshall111/status/564621860768591872/photo/1)
HE SHOULD BE LEARNING JERRY'S LICKS!!!!!
that's what the week before is for
Thought this was the appropriate place to say that upon reviewing my musical adventures of 2014 my favorite weekends of the year both involved that band from Vermont. First weekend of jazzfest and Halloween in Vegas topped a whole lot of other cool shit for me including Jamcruise 12, bear creek, catskill chill, NW string summit, What the Festival, Aura, and others. Seeing Phish at jazzfest and all the other great music and food and everything that comes with NOLA really can't be topped. Vegas Halloween as we've all agreed was a glorious celebration that exceeded all expectations.
So there you have it.
The :phish: have still got it. Pretty interested to see what 2015 brings. I've got to get out and see at least a few.
Quote from: JPhishman on February 14, 2015, 12:37:26 AM
Thought this was the appropriate place to say that upon reviewing my musical adventures of 2014 my favorite weekends of the year both involved that band from Vermont. First weekend of jazzfest and Halloween in Vegas topped a whole lot of other cool shit for me including Jamcruise 12, bear creek, catskill chill, NW string summit, What the Festival, Aura, and others. Seeing Phish at jazzfest and all the other great music and food and everything that comes with NOLA really can't be topped. Vegas Halloween as we've all agreed was a glorious celebration that exceeded all expectations.
So there you have it.
The :phish: have still got it. Pretty interested to see what 2015 brings. I've got to get out and see at least a few.
damn dog! living the dream! I didn't have all the adventures you had but I agree. Phish was my favorite musical event of 2014.
Vegas was the shiz. I agree with everything you're saying, but in some ways I am like, how can they top it? No need for me to go ever again. But that's what I have been saying since '90 and they always redeem themselves. Fuckers.
Quote from: Caravan2001 on February 14, 2015, 09:57:57 PM
Vegas was the shiz. I agree with everything you're saying, but in some ways I am like, how can they top it? No need for me to go ever again. But that's what I have been saying since '90 and they always redeem themselves. Fuckers.
It's exactly why we keep going.
Quote from: JPhishman on February 14, 2015, 12:37:26 AM
Thought this was the appropriate place to say that upon reviewing my musical adventures of 2014 my favorite weekends of the year both involved that band from Vermont. First weekend of jazzfest and Halloween in Vegas topped a whole lot of other cool shit for me including Jamcruise 12, bear creek, catskill chill, NW string summit, What the Festival, Aura, and others. Seeing Phish at jazzfest and all the other great music and food and everything that comes with NOLA really can't be topped. Vegas Halloween as we've all agreed was a glorious celebration that exceeded all expectations.
So there you have it.
The :phish: have still got it. Pretty interested to see what 2015 brings. I've got to get out and see at least a few.
Yb!
Yeah buddy!
Halloween and the Merriweather show this summer were some of the most fun Phish I've ever seen.
The boys still got "it".... "It's" few and far between these days, no doubt, but it's there and always will be as long as they continue, IMO. Best band Eva!!!! :wtu:
MPP was unreal. My face is still on that lawn somewhere.
Quote from: antelope19 on February 15, 2015, 11:04:56 PM
MPP was unreal. My face is still on that lawn somewhere.
I just wish I could go back and listen to that show and be as blown away as I was when I was there.
Because it's pretty sloppy.
But yeah that was a fun fucking night and I'm pretty sure I walked away thinking that was the best set I've seen them play, no doubts.
Twas a very good night from start to finish. Wasnt expecting that at all and agreed the energy was higher and the playing "seemed" higher during the show. But after being there, it still kinda brings back goosebumps when re-listening, esp during the tweeprise, you just like know its coming and caps off the mayhem that was the tweezer set.
Just tried to book the Sheraton for the rumored dates and its full!! Fuck!
The weekend before is booked too! :frustrated:
the return to tweezer jam between GBOTT and Waitin All night is pretty nice stuff
It's finally over.
Dude. I cannot wait to hear what's in store for summer tour!!!
Quote from: PGLHAH on July 06, 2015, 02:02:16 AM
Dude. I cannot wait to hear what's in store for summer tour!!!
I, for one, hope that Cream Puff War finds its way into Phish rotation.
Quote from: mistercharlie on July 06, 2015, 05:56:37 AM
Quote from: PGLHAH on July 06, 2015, 02:02:16 AM
Dude. I cannot wait to hear what's in store for summer tour!!!
I, for one, hope that Cream Puff War finds its way into Phish rotation.
Totally!
Quote from: EdBanky on July 06, 2015, 01:59:21 AM
It's finally over.
until Cactus goes on Meyerdead terr this fall :)
I'd be surprised if it's not the best tour of 3.0.
Trey sounds the best he has in 10-15 years IMO.
super excited for this and for any new tunes, covers, big jams, etc.
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on July 06, 2015, 03:44:38 PM
I'd be surprised if it's not the best tour of 3.0.
Trey sounds the best he has in 10-15 years IMO.
I was thinking the same thing this weekend -- possibly the best since end of 2000. (I say that having not listened back to any of these shows. I know the live experience can sometimes, uh, distort one's perspective.)
And by 'live experience', you mean droogz.
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on July 07, 2015, 12:29:37 PM
And by 'live experience', you mean droogz.
That or shitty sound.
Or the drugs making you focus too hard on the shitty sound.
Quote from: McGrupp on July 07, 2015, 12:31:14 PM
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on July 07, 2015, 12:29:37 PM
And by 'live experience', you mean droogz.
That or shitty sound.
Or the drugs making you focus too hard on the shitty sound.
pretty much explains my hate-hate relationship with most of 3.0 :hereitisyousentimentalbastard :hereitisyousentimentalbastard :hereitisyousentimentalbastard
Quote from: McGrupp on July 07, 2015, 12:31:14 PM
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on July 07, 2015, 12:29:37 PM
And by 'live experience', you mean droogz.
That or shitty sound.
Or the drugs making you focus too hard on the shitty sound.
It does seem to cut both ways.
Quote from: V00D00BR3W on July 07, 2015, 11:53:46 AM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on July 06, 2015, 03:44:38 PM
I'd be surprised if it's not the best tour of 3.0.
Trey sounds the best he has in 10-15 years IMO.
I was thinking the same thing this weekend -- possibly the best since end of 2000. (I say that having not listened back to any of these shows. I know the live experience can sometimes, uh, distort one's perspective.)
Last night i listened/watched some of the highlights from friday and saturday and have come to the conclusion they were FUN!
Ahem.
Best.
Of.
3.
0.
I apologize if this article has already been posted, but if not, it's perfect for this thread. Thoughts?
https://medium.com/the-phish-from-vermont/this-time-s-gonna-be-different-6c189c04963c
People love the Phish from Vermont on FB ...
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Quote from: cleech74 on August 11, 2015, 01:53:30 AM
I apologize if this article has already been posted, but if not, it's perfect for this thread. Thoughts?
https://medium.com/the-phish-from-vermont/this-time-s-gonna-be-different-6c189c04963c
good read. thanks for posting.
QuoteWith the rhythm section of the GD50 band being so much looser than Phish's, I detected some frustration on Trey's part in that many of the ideas he introduced at the GD50 shows were not picked up on.
After watching him play with Phish this summer I sense a greater appreciation on his part for his Phish band-mates and the chemistry that they have developed over the last 30 years. And in particular the last 5.
interesting perspective. certainly makes sense to me.
Very interesting. I'm seriously having a hard time focusing on work this week. Can't wait for Sunday!
Quote from: antelope19 on August 11, 2015, 07:50:03 PM
Very interesting. I'm seriously having a hard time focusing on work this week. Can't wait for Sunday!
see you this weekend neely!! lets slang back some bohs sunday :beerbang:
Quote from: cleech74 on August 11, 2015, 01:53:30 AM
I apologize if this article has already been posted, but if not, it's perfect for this thread. Thoughts?
https://medium.com/the-phish-from-vermont/this-time-s-gonna-be-different-6c189c04963c
thanks, i enjoyed that read.
I'm excited to give some of this tour a listen! A staff member the rehab I just left was a phan and he hit up Nashville, ATL, and Blossom and raved about all of them. He was saying they're super on point.
Can y'all give me some suggestions on what recent shows I should listen to? I haven't listened to anything since 2011 (besides the Tahoe Tweezer)
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Agreed.
So I'm through Raleigh as of right now. I have to say this is the most consistent tour of this era in my humble opinion. There are multiple runs of shows where they just catch such a nice stride and they have really built upon themselves. This is also the first tour of this era where one sound doesn't dominant the jamming. We had the plinko, and then the "evolution" of the I > IV jams in '13 and '14. This is Phish being Phish to me, it can get morbidly dark, and then turn the fucking corner to hit the majestic and melodic place. It's light and darkness like it should be. In addition to this, they've relearned some of the more classical structures and musical concepts that once set them above and beyond any other band, like tension and release, syncopation style rhythms, modulations at the drop of a dime, etc. They can play Reba right. I mean, shit, that's just fucking awesome that every version this tour has actual tension and release in it. Mike's song is actually deep with sonic structures and textures again. That Raleigh's Mike's while short, is fucking heavy and dark in nature. Ghost is finally a jam vehicle again, where they can go a lot of different places. I love how the Atlanta Ghost is melodic and smooth and the Raleigh Ghost is very heavy and demonic sounding. The Atlanta Tweezer is incredibly thematic and out there, and the Blossom Tweezer morphs from thematic to a melodic hose.
They are playing with purpose and energy like I haven't seen or heard in a really long time. I love it. It took fucking long enough :roll: :evil:
I will take this incarnation of the band.
They've finally won Sophist over, they must be back.
SER! I am so glad that there is some solid playing and growth with the boys. I was so over the past few years and the stale playing. The AV2 show really felt like Sunday church to me, left feeling refreshed and happy. I only hope this continues and I can see em again soon.
this from that medium post ...
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After seeing over 100 shows I sometimes wonder "what song am I chasing now?" At some point I stopped chasing songs altogether and starting focusing on jams as most tour vets do. Now I chase shows and not songs. It doesn't matter to me what Phish plays anymore — it's all about how they play it.
this is totally me these days ... i might not know fuego the way others do, but if that jam out of it is hawt, i'm all over it.
and this ...
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I also found that Phish tended to dwell on a particular musical idea for longer in the past than they do now. This is probably simply due to the fact that they latch on to musical idea faster than the used to (read: their ears have improved) Another reason why they may be crystallizing motifs more rapidly these days is because the motifs are being articulated more clearly and with less "searching" from each member than previously required. Thus they are not only arriving at their musical destinations faster due to each member being more in touch with his inner voice, but each of those inner voices has matured to the point of more clearly speaking to each other musically. What I am trying to say here is that Phish is peaking in their improvisational efficiency and clarity right now. If your goal is to receive direct musical communication from the band — there has NEVER been a better time than right now.
this bothered me up until VERY recently ... one of my biggest gripes actually, but this totally makes sense ... very few jams stick to a theme for more than a few minutes. again this bothered me, but when i think about it, i also get just as annoyed by 1.0 jams where they stay in the same groove for too long (wolfmans heavy metal jam 11.30.97 clearly springs to mind here)...
this was a good article ...
I just skimmed this whole thread. Holy shit. So interesting to watch what was a very slow uphill climb back to being "fucking back." The different rationalizations throughout the years that we had to have to suffice for what was mediocre Phish. I also forgot this whole thread started because of 3/7/09. I'm fucking terrified to listen to that show now. I tried every anniversary of the reunion run to get through those three shows on tape or video, and I couldn't ever do it. Looking back now, it was special to be there, but what a fucking long, strange, disjointed journey it has been for Phish. I'm finally listening to the MPP run, and I couldn't be happier with their progress. I love where the band is at right now.
I think it can pretty much be summed up - Trey without the chops = meh Phish. At least to me. I think that was the game changer this summer. He relearned guitar and how to be the leader of the band.
Quote from: sophist on August 27, 2015, 09:57:06 AM
I also forgot this whole thread started because of 3/7/09. I'm fucking terrified to listen to that show now.
Best show since 97 brah! :wtu:
I recently deleted a bunch of 09-11 shows from my hd, it felt good.
Quote from: Hicks on August 27, 2015, 11:51:07 AM
I recently deleted a bunch of 09-11 shows from my hd, it felt good.
Just curious, which did you keep?
Quote from: Hicks on August 27, 2015, 11:51:07 AM
I recently deleted a bunch of 09-11 shows from my hd, it felt good.
whaaa??? people still keep copies of shows?
Quote from: jedifunk on August 27, 2015, 12:33:48 PM
Quote from: Hicks on August 27, 2015, 11:51:07 AM
I recently deleted a bunch of 09-11 shows from my hd, it felt good.
whaaa??? people still keep copies of shows?
Look, you've been out of the loop for a while.
Try not to let anything surprise you.
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Quote from: jedifunk on August 27, 2015, 12:33:48 PM
Quote from: Hicks on August 27, 2015, 11:51:07 AM
I recently deleted a bunch of 09-11 shows from my hd, it felt good.
whaaa??? people still keep copies of shows?
Look, you've been out of the loop for a while.
Try not to let anything surprise you.
:hereitisyousentimentalbastard
#truth #wisdom
i did just recently find out that the band phish got back together
Quote from: phil on August 27, 2015, 12:19:30 PM
Quote from: Hicks on August 27, 2015, 11:51:07 AM
I recently deleted a bunch of 09-11 shows from my hd, it felt good.
Just curious, which did you keep?
Since I don't have time to listen to complete shows anymore, mostly what I did was to trim the fat and keep a couple highlights from each show. Although there were some that didn't really have anything worth saving.
Quote from: jedifunk on August 27, 2015, 12:33:48 PM
Quote from: Hicks on August 27, 2015, 11:51:07 AM
I recently deleted a bunch of 09-11 shows from my hd, it felt good.
whaaa??? people still keep copies of shows?
Why wouldn't I? They are in better quality than what I can stream from phishtracks or wherever.
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Quote from: jedifunk on August 27, 2015, 12:33:48 PM
Quote from: Hicks on August 27, 2015, 11:51:07 AM
I recently deleted a bunch of 09-11 shows from my hd, it felt good.
whaaa??? people still keep copies of shows?
Why wouldn't I? They are in better quality than what I can stream from phishtracks or wherever.
Exactly. If I like something I want to listen to it on high res FLACS on my home system.
Quote from: jam> on August 27, 2015, 01:31:15 PM
Quote from: Hicks on August 27, 2015, 01:23:29 PM
Quote from: jedifunk on August 27, 2015, 12:33:48 PM
Quote from: Hicks on August 27, 2015, 11:51:07 AM
I recently deleted a bunch of 09-11 shows from my hd, it felt good.
whaaa??? people still keep copies of shows?
Why wouldn't I? They are in better quality than what I can stream from phishtracks or wherever.
Exactly. If I like something I want to listen to it on high res FLACS on my home system.
i'm glad people are willing to tell themselves they can hear a difference ... and/or that the slight upgrade in quality is worth all that storage space & time to catalog
:hereitisyousentimentalbastard
access & ease of use are my main priorities in 2015, and the fact that i can have any jam ever at my fingertips all the time is worth the slight downgrade in audio quality
Quote from: jedifunk on August 27, 2015, 03:56:26 PM
Quote from: jam> on August 27, 2015, 01:31:15 PM
Quote from: Hicks on August 27, 2015, 01:23:29 PM
Quote from: jedifunk on August 27, 2015, 12:33:48 PM
Quote from: Hicks on August 27, 2015, 11:51:07 AM
I recently deleted a bunch of 09-11 shows from my hd, it felt good.
whaaa??? people still keep copies of shows?
Why wouldn't I? They are in better quality than what I can stream from phishtracks or wherever.
Exactly. If I like something I want to listen to it on high res FLACS on my home system.
i'm glad people are willing to tell themselves they can hear a difference ... and/or that the slight upgrade in quality is worth all that storage space & time to catalog
:hereitisyousentimentalbastard
access & ease of use are my main priorities in 2015, and the fact that i can have any jam ever at my fingertips all the time is worth the slight downgrade in audio quality
If you can't tell that many of the phishtracks sources sound like dog balls, not to mention the annoying gaps between tracks, I dunno what to tell you.
Anyway, collecting music/curating my collection is my hobby, I enjoy it.
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Quote from: jedifunk on August 27, 2015, 03:56:26 PM
Quote from: jam> on August 27, 2015, 01:31:15 PM
Quote from: Hicks on August 27, 2015, 01:23:29 PM
Quote from: jedifunk on August 27, 2015, 12:33:48 PM
Quote from: Hicks on August 27, 2015, 11:51:07 AM
I recently deleted a bunch of 09-11 shows from my hd, it felt good.
whaaa??? people still keep copies of shows?
Why wouldn't I? They are in better quality than what I can stream from phishtracks or wherever.
Exactly. If I like something I want to listen to it on high res FLACS on my home system.
i'm glad people are willing to tell themselves they can hear a difference ... and/or that the slight upgrade in quality is worth all that storage space & time to catalog
:hereitisyousentimentalbastard
access & ease of use are my main priorities in 2015, and the fact that i can have any jam ever at my fingertips all the time is worth the slight downgrade in audio quality
If you can't tell that many of the phishtracks sources sound like dog balls, not to mention the annoying gaps between tracks, I dunno what to tell you.
Anyway, collecting music/curating my collection is my hobby, I enjoy it.
i agree that the pause between tracks is annoying, but my listening habits typically don't follow a set, so that is less an issue.
as for sound quality, perhaps its how i listen to phish these days ... from my laptop, or phone via bluetooth to my car or small portable speaker ... nothing of a high enough quality i suppose to hear much of a difference.
also, for 95% of the phish catalog, its one aud source vs another ... its only the 2.0 and above that there are soundboards and i don't listen to a lot of those shows.
like i said, my top concerns are access & ease of use ... streaming takes care of that
Quote from: Hicks on August 27, 2015, 04:14:59 PM
Quote from: jedifunk on August 27, 2015, 03:56:26 PM
Quote from: jam> on August 27, 2015, 01:31:15 PM
Quote from: Hicks on August 27, 2015, 01:23:29 PM
Quote from: jedifunk on August 27, 2015, 12:33:48 PM
Quote from: Hicks on August 27, 2015, 11:51:07 AM
I recently deleted a bunch of 09-11 shows from my hd, it felt good.
whaaa??? people still keep copies of shows?
Why wouldn't I? They are in better quality than what I can stream from phishtracks or wherever.
Exactly. If I like something I want to listen to it on high res FLACS on my home system.
i'm glad people are willing to tell themselves they can hear a difference ... and/or that the slight upgrade in quality is worth all that storage space & time to catalog
:hereitisyousentimentalbastard
access & ease of use are my main priorities in 2015, and the fact that i can have any jam ever at my fingertips all the time is worth the slight downgrade in audio quality
If you can't tell that many of the phishtracks sources sound like dog balls, not to mention the annoying gaps between tracks, I dunno what to tell you.
Anyway, collecting music/curating my collection is my hobby, I enjoy it.
Amen to that!
Jedifunks' got bronchitis.
I think he should first get checked by a neurologist
Quote from: mbw on August 27, 2015, 06:11:36 PM
Jedifunks' got bronchitis.
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Quote from: Buffalo Budd on August 27, 2015, 09:44:19 PM
Quote from: mbw on August 27, 2015, 06:11:36 PM
Jedifunks' got bronchitis.
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:clap:
Quote from: jedifunk on August 28, 2015, 10:14:18 AM
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on August 27, 2015, 09:44:19 PM
Quote from: mbw on August 27, 2015, 06:11:36 PM
Jedifunks' got bronchitis.
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:clap:
Brilliant! :hereitisyousentimentalbastard
this magna CDT is blissfuL!!
I love how they have been jamming out CDT ill take that anyday
Quote from: emayPhishyMD on September 01, 2015, 03:53:56 PM
this magna CDT is blissfuL!!
I love how they have been jamming out CDT ill take that anyday
it is interesting how they'll play it straight with the ending proper then jam it. The TX, AV and MB versions all feature nice improv. AV is my favorite of the 3.
It was a long 2 days
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Fuck yeah phish!
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Fuck yeah phish!
Seriously.
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Fuck yeah phish!
Seriously.
Bump
Bump
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I love dping shows with RJ'S. Good people that guy. Sgo7ld check into dizzunk thread. This is going to be a shit show of plane ride l.
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I love dping shows with RJ'S. Good people that guy. Sgo7ld check into dizzunk thread. This is going to be a shit show of plane ride l.
Brilliant.
Holy shit.
Had an awesome time hanging with the paug crew, especially on Saturday when things "got weird".
Sorry I didn't get a chance to say goodbye to everyone but PG and Anthrax, I was pretty out of it by the end of the third set last night.
PAUG 4 LYFE.
:phish: :phish: :phish: :phish: :phish: :phish: :phish: :phish: :phish: :phish: :phish: :phish: :phish: :phish: :phish: :phish: :phish: :phish: :phish: :phish: :phish: :phish: :phish: :phish:
50% off LivePhish downloads today only. does not include 3 set shows. either way great time pull the trigger on those SBDs you've been eyeing, includes the Live Bait series.
Bump! :wtu: :wtu: :sbw: :wtu: :rockout:
Sometims, every now and then....
I almost forget that Phish once, "wasn't anymore"
The year was 2004. Trey couldn't have been more sure that "this is the end".
What a high-ass. Thank god he was not high enough to make such a definitively, idiotic statement stay true.
Long live the Phish. These guys are just something else.
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on May 07, 2017, 08:54:32 PM
Sometims, every now and then....
I almost forget that Phish once, "wasn't anymore"
The year was 2004. Trey couldn't have been more sure that "this is the end".
What a high-ass. Thank god he was not high enough to make such a definitively, idiotic statement stay true.
Long live the Phish. These guys are just something else.
Twice! Both times sucked.
amen
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on May 07, 2017, 08:54:32 PM
Sometims, every now and then....
I almost forget that Phish once, "wasn't anymore"
The year was 2004. Trey couldn't have been more sure that "this is the end".
What a high-ass. Thank god he was not high enough to make such a definitively, idiotic statement stay true.
Long live the Phish. These guys are just something else.
yeah, 2001-03 was a pretty dark time, and then 05-06 were worse (thanks to the droogz). I'm glad my wife came along and saved me and then the Phishes came back.
Quote from: mistercharlie on May 09, 2017, 05:33:10 AM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on May 07, 2017, 08:54:32 PM
Sometims, every now and then....
I almost forget that Phish once, "wasn't anymore"
The year was 2004. Trey couldn't have been more sure that "this is the end".
What a high-ass. Thank god he was not high enough to make such a definitively, idiotic statement stay true.
Long live the Phish. These guys are just something else.
yeah, 2001-03 was a pretty dark time, and then 05-06 were worse (thanks to the droogz). I'm glad my wife came along and saved me and then the Phishes came back.
Let me just say that if Phish was touring heavily in the summer of 2006 there is a strong possibility I would have sold everything and hopped on tour after my divorce. It would have been amazing and really unhealthy. I may actually be alive today thanks to Phish not touring at that time in my life.
Quote from: PIE-GUY on May 09, 2017, 01:08:42 PM
Quote from: mistercharlie on May 09, 2017, 05:33:10 AM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on May 07, 2017, 08:54:32 PM
Sometims, every now and then....
I almost forget that Phish once, "wasn't anymore"
The year was 2004. Trey couldn't have been more sure that "this is the end".
What a high-ass. Thank god he was not high enough to make such a definitively, idiotic statement stay true.
Long live the Phish. These guys are just something else.
yeah, 2001-03 was a pretty dark time, and then 05-06 were worse (thanks to the droogz). I'm glad my wife came along and saved me and then the Phishes came back.
Let me just say that if Phish was touring heavily in the summer of 2006 there is a strong possibility I would have sold everything and hopped on tour after my divorce. It would have been amazing and really unhealthy. I may actually be alive today thanks to Phish not touring at that time in my life.
I like imagining wook Dave though
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Quote from: mistercharlie on May 09, 2017, 05:33:10 AM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on May 07, 2017, 08:54:32 PM
Sometims, every now and then....
I almost forget that Phish once, "wasn't anymore"
The year was 2004. Trey couldn't have been more sure that "this is the end".
What a high-ass. Thank god he was not high enough to make such a definitively, idiotic statement stay true.
Long live the Phish. These guys are just something else.
yeah, 2001-03 was a pretty dark time, and then 05-06 were worse (thanks to the droogz). I'm glad my wife came along and saved me and then the Phishes came back.
Let me just say that if Phish was touring heavily in the summer of 2006 there is a strong possibility I would have sold everything and hopped on tour after my divorce. It would have been amazing and really unhealthy. I may actually be alive today thanks to Phish not touring at that time in my life.
I like imagining wook Dave though
I concur.
Summer 2016 was weak overall however the jams they did play were money. The Light from Mansfield is a great example. Overall its been up and down in 3.0, still great they came back despite the inconsistencies. They still are my favorite band. Long live the Phish!
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Quote from: mistercharlie on May 09, 2017, 05:33:10 AM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on May 07, 2017, 08:54:32 PM
Sometims, every now and then....
I almost forget that Phish once, "wasn't anymore"
The year was 2004. Trey couldn't have been more sure that "this is the end".
What a high-ass. Thank god he was not high enough to make such a definitively, idiotic statement stay true.
Long live the Phish. These guys are just something else.
yeah, 2001-03 was a pretty dark time, and then 05-06 were worse (thanks to the droogz). I'm glad my wife came along and saved me and then the Phishes came back.
Let me just say that if Phish was touring heavily in the summer of 2006 there is a strong possibility I would have sold everything and hopped on tour after my divorce. It would have been amazing and really unhealthy. I may actually be alive today thanks to Phish not touring at that time in my life.
I like imagining wook Dave though
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Quote from: EdBanky on May 09, 2017, 03:28:15 PM
Quote from: PIE-GUY on May 09, 2017, 01:08:42 PM
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Quote from: WhatstheUse? on May 07, 2017, 08:54:32 PM
Sometims, every now and then....
I almost forget that Phish once, "wasn't anymore"
The year was 2004. Trey couldn't have been more sure that "this is the end".
What a high-ass. Thank god he was not high enough to make such a definitively, idiotic statement stay true.
Long live the Phish. These guys are just something else.
yeah, 2001-03 was a pretty dark time, and then 05-06 were worse (thanks to the droogz). I'm glad my wife came along and saved me and then the Phishes came back.
Let me just say that if Phish was touring heavily in the summer of 2006 there is a strong possibility I would have sold everything and hopped on tour after my divorce. It would have been amazing and really unhealthy. I may actually be alive today thanks to Phish not touring at that time in my life.
I like imagining wook Dave though
i remember that guy well
That picture brings a sense of happiness to me that I can't quite explain.
You look like.... someone I'd be friends with.
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on May 09, 2017, 08:01:07 PM
That picture brings a sense of happiness to me that I can't quite explain.
You look like.... someone I'd be friends with.
you would've hated me then. I smelled really bad.
That is fantastic!!
Quote from: PIE-GUY on May 09, 2017, 08:02:44 PM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on May 09, 2017, 08:01:07 PM
That picture brings a sense of happiness to me that I can't quite explain.
You look like.... someone I'd be friends with.
you would've hated me then. I smelled really bad.
I remember that guy well
Quote from: PIE-GUY on May 09, 2017, 08:02:44 PM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on May 09, 2017, 08:01:07 PM
That picture brings a sense of happiness to me that I can't quite explain.
You look like.... someone I'd be friends with.
you would've hated me then. I smelled really bad.
Buddy, everyone I love smells bad. :sbw:
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Quote from: WhatstheUse? on May 09, 2017, 08:01:07 PM
That picture brings a sense of happiness to me that I can't quite explain.
You look like.... someone I'd be friends with.
you would've hated me then. I smelled really bad.
I remember that guy well
and you were so clean back then... :roll: :sbw:
Who was dirtier?
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:clap:
Ya feel me
Second show of tour and we're bumping this thread.
Love it.
I haven't had a chance to listen yet but I always approve of this thread being bumped! :banana:
Quote from: rowjimmy on July 16, 2017, 03:30:11 PM
Second show of tour and we're bumping this thread.
Love it.
and this guy was all jaded not long ago :wink:
Quote from: ph92 on July 16, 2017, 05:20:47 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on July 16, 2017, 03:30:11 PM
Second show of tour and we're bumping this thread.
Love it.
and this guy was all jaded not long ago :wink:
Been a few years now, actually.
going to be a great summer. Wish I could do more of the Baker's Dozen now. Cant wait to hear what boils up during the two mid week shows.
Quote from: emayPhishyCO on July 16, 2017, 07:21:59 PM
going to be a great summer. Wish I could do more of the Baker's Dozen now. Cant wait to hear what boils up during the two mid week shows.
I know. I wish I could do more.
Your move, jimbo.
it makes me happy to see this thread get bumped after almost every show.
:wtu:
I still hate them for ignoring Europe.
Cool if we post here mid-show?
if only for just one night, yeah it happened.
Quote from: justjezmund on July 25, 2017, 11:20:55 PM
if only for just one night, yeah it happened.
Sunday was outstanding too.
:rawk:
Time to announce a festy
Quote from: EdBanky on July 25, 2017, 11:34:52 PM
:rawk:
Time to announce a festy
Let's get that roll call going.
I'm in
Quote from: Hicks on July 25, 2017, 11:25:06 PM
Quote from: justjezmund on July 25, 2017, 11:20:55 PM
if only for just one night, yeah it happened.
Sunday was outstanding too.
I posted here during Sunday's show because jimbo told me he was ready to. So I say again...your move, jimbo.
2x 30 min jams in a night....bump this bitch!
Quote from: justjezmund on July 25, 2017, 11:20:55 PM
if only for just one night, yeah it happened.
Fuck yeah! That happened!
Double bump!
Phish is fucking back y'all!!!!! Wooooooohooooooooo!
I thought I would NEVER see a phish show but tonight was #199 of them. Fuck yes phish!
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on July 26, 2017, 01:59:52 AM
Double bump!
Phish is fucking back y'all!!!!! Wooooooohooooooooo!
I thought I would NEVER see a phish show but tonight was #199 of them. Fuck yes phish!
Fucks yeah!
Hi.
yeah
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on July 26, 2017, 01:59:52 AM
Double bump!
Phish is fucking back y'all!!!!! Wooooooohooooooooo!
I thought I would NEVER see a phish show but tonight was #199 of them. Fuck yes phish!
30 MINUTE LAWN BOY :banana: :rockout: :banana:
Quote from: shoreline99 on July 26, 2017, 08:48:10 AM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on July 26, 2017, 01:59:52 AM
Double bump!
Phish is fucking back y'all!!!!! Wooooooohooooooooo!
I thought I would NEVER see a phish show but tonight was #199 of them. Fuck yes phish!
30 MINUTE LAWN BOY :banana: :rockout: :banana:
Quote from: emay on July 26, 2017, 12:25:47 AM
2x 30 min jams in a night....bump this bitch!
insane. :crazy:
Was that a dream? My only webcast of the run so far, I was in complete tears at the end of that lawn boy, holy shit, so pumped for those last three shows!
Quote from: pcr3 on July 26, 2017, 12:14:12 AM
Quote from: Hicks on July 25, 2017, 11:25:06 PM
Quote from: justjezmund on July 25, 2017, 11:20:55 PM
if only for just one night, yeah it happened.
Sunday was outstanding too.
I posted here during Sunday's show because jimbo told me he was ready to. So I say again...your move, jimbo.
Consider it bumped. The boys are back.
4 songs in a row (an hour long) going type 2 tonight... wow just wow!
meh
ive spent the last two years listening to every phish show in order. relistening to many songs, shows, and tours along the way. when you look at and really compare the setlists, song lengths, fuck ups, off nights, on nights, jamz, etc, etc, over the entirety of their career so far... in my opinion, phish never went anywhere that they had to come "back" from. :phish:
Quote from: willsteele on July 27, 2017, 12:25:26 PM
ive spent the last two years listening to every phish show in order. relistening to many songs, shows, and tours along the way. when you look at and really compare the setlists, song lengths, fuck ups, off nights, on nights, jamz, etc, etc, over the entirety of their career so far... in my opinion, phish never went anywhere that they had to come "back" from. :phish:
Coventry says no.
Whatever happened between Miami 03 and Vegas 04 required them to come back from something...
HA! i may have skipped coventry. :roll:
i look at it like a jam... it may start off great, meander around a bit, hit a wall, come back together, peak, lose steam, peak again, etc. there is good and bad. and really fucking blissfully good. but it cant be that way the entire time.
Vegas '04 called to shit on your parade too.
Bump
And the jams keep coming
Just now getting into the CDT jam and WOW!!!
These are the 1st shows in a while that I can see myself keeping and going back to listen to, after the next tour.
Wish I was there
fall tour, I hope
I'm thinking it's time to lock this thread.
Quote from: rowjimmy on August 03, 2017, 07:27:47 AM
I'm thinking it's time to lock this thread.
Pretty much.
Rumor has it that a big announcement after Dicks is in store for us....
not good.
Quote from: Marmar on August 06, 2017, 08:05:52 AM
Rumor has it that a big announcement after Dicks is in store for us....
not good.
:|
NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I figured the "oh no, the band did something big, now they're gonna breakup/hiatus" rumors would be around soon.
I just figured they wouldn't come around in force until after BD.
Seriously?
Quote from: Marmar on August 06, 2017, 08:05:52 AM
Rumor has it that a big announcement after Dicks is in store for us....
not good.
More MSG?
That's the worst news I've heard in a while, not what I wanted to read on my last day at the dozen, I hope you are wrong!
Quote from: nab on August 06, 2017, 12:24:14 PM
I figured the "oh no, the band did something big, now they're gonna breakup/hiatus" rumors would be around soon.
I just figured they wouldn't come around in force until after BD.
This.
I'm not buying it.
Yet.
:cry: :cry: :cry:
Best. Band. Ever.
I love these guys
Trey's back...
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I love these guys
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Best. Band. Ever.
It bears repeating...In case you missed it the first time (all caps for emphasis)
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I LOVE THESE GUYS
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BEST. BAND. EVER.
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It bears repeating...In case you missed it the first time (all caps for emphasis)
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I LOVE THESE GUYS
Quote from: Gol D. Roger on August 07, 2017, 09:49:07 AM
BEST. BAND. EVER.
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I LOVE THESE GUYS
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BEST. BAND. EVER.
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I LOVE THESE GUYS
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BEST... BAND... EVER!!!
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I LOVE THESE GUYS
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BEST... BAND... EVER!!!
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I LOVE THESE GUYS
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BEST... BAND... EVER!!!
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I LOVE THESE GUYS
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BEST... BAND... EVER!!!
Well, I think this is warranted.
I'm prepared to admit that they may, in fact, be back.
Quote from: Hicks on July 01, 2019, 12:22:37 AM
I'm prepared to admit that they may, in fact, be back.
:hereitisyousentimentalbastard
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Shared this with my wife, and we have both been laughing for a completely irrational number of minutes with this gif. Well played!
***LUV*** this thread :wtu:
Quote from: sunrisevt on July 01, 2019, 01:05:08 AM
Quote from: Hicks on July 01, 2019, 12:22:37 AM
I'm prepared to admit that they may, in fact, be back.
:hereitisyousentimentalbastard
:hereitisyousentimentalbastard
I've been told they fuck
Hi there
Even if it is only 2 -3 times a tour, they still let us know they can throw down when they want to.
YES! :rawk: :rawk: :rawk: :rawk: :rawk:
What a band :samurai:
HEYO! :music: :banana: :rawk:
:clap:
Read this on the Steve Hoffman Music Forums...
A buddy has been suggesting this for awhile: Phish 3.0 ended w the Bakers Dozen and we're well into the 4.0 era. There is very little resemblance between the band now and say, 2012- 2014. Look at all the old classics not played this past wkend: YEM, Wilson, Fluff,. Bowie, Antelope, Runaway Jim, Reba, Carini, etc. The band is all about moving forward w the GOTF, Kasvot Växt, TAB material, etc and not looking backwards. 4.0: the 'Everything's Right' era. While I applaud and respect the band for this, it got a bit heavy handed for me over the weekend. But anyway, an interesting theory or view on where the band is at.
You'll never get everyone to agree but with some hindsight one might look back at the last 2 years and consider it different a new era..
If I was in charge of such things, I'd say 4.0 began with summer 2015.
Pointing out songs they didn't play over a 3 night run doesn't say much to me--they played all of those songs over the past summer--it's more about their sound and how it's been changing, albeit much more slowly than it changed during the '90s.
Because of the slow change, it's hard to draw a bright line separating eras, but to my ears, 2105 marked a notable change that they've since been building on.
When I listen to Phish of the past decade, I find I'm drawn to what they've been playing since 2015 far more than anything prior to that (with exceptions, to be sure).
I agree with the sentiment, but it won't be 4.0 until they come back from a future hiatus (which I hope doesn't happen).
I put them at hotfix 3.5.2 right now...
In the light of day this idea is just stupid, if 93 and 99 are both considered 1.0, 2014 and and 2017 can't be noted any differently.
Quote from: mattstick on September 06, 2019, 10:18:23 AM
In the light of day this idea is just stupid, if 93 and 99 are both considered 1.0, 2014 and and 2017 can't be noted any differently.
Or 83 and 99 for that matter.
It's a temporal/organizational designation scheme, not an artistic one.
Humans like sorting and naming! Don't deny us that pleasure.
Trey thinks 2.0 started in the late 90s.
Quote from: rowjimmy on September 06, 2019, 01:18:58 PM
Trey thinks 2.0 started in the late 90s.
Trey was on a LOT of drugs, too... enough that he thought Fuckerpants was a good idea.
3.0, 4.0 whateves.
What I do know is that many songs from the most recent crop are being jammed out to a point where they are frequently the highlights of the show. The Mohegan Beneath the Sea of Stars, the Dicks ER > Mercury and of course the Alpine Ruby Waves to name a few examples. It's a pretty exciting development, because I'm pretty sure this is the first time it's happened consistently since 2.0.
Quote from: Hicks on September 06, 2019, 05:02:54 PM
3.0, 4.0 whateves.
What I do know is that many songs from the most recent crop are being jammed out to a point where they are frequently the highlights of the show. The Mohegan Beneath the Sea of Stars, the Dicks ER > Mercury and of course the Alpine Ruby Waves to name a few examples. It's a pretty exciting development, because I'm pretty sure this is the first time it's happened consistently since 2.0.
I am totally in support of this path personally. I noticed it this Summer and at first was a little turned off but how do you fault a band for exploring new territory with what they're into right now. That Ruby Waves from Alpine has gotten more repeat plays from me than anything else in 3.0. A close second would be the Bethel Waves soundcheck.
For the last 25 years, I've liked it when phish plays phish songs.
Quote from: anthrax on September 06, 2019, 10:28:09 PM
For the last 25 years, I've liked it when phish plays phish songs.
Get a haircut, hippie.
Hello.
Guess what?
duh
I figured we'd see this thread pop back up.
i'm nervous for tonight and i'll only be watching from the couch. i love these guys!
Quote from: anthrax on December 31, 2019, 09:43:36 AM
i'm nervous for tonight and i'll only be watching from the couch. i love these guys!
Get ready for frickin lazer beams
Quote from: mbw on December 31, 2019, 09:56:33 AM
Quote from: anthrax on December 31, 2019, 09:43:36 AM
i'm nervous for tonight and i'll only be watching from the couch. i love these guys!
Get ready for frickin lazer beams
oh, i'm ready!!
Fuck it! The boyz are back baby! Last night was that feeling I've forgot! :phish: :music: :wtu: :sbw:
Last night was indeed backish.
They felt on from the get go last night. First set was no sloucher and that Chalkdust just kept giving.
last night felt like a 2.0 show to me. Just fire, and hunger. Not super rehearsed but the intent was there, so i can forgive it. I haven't seen Trey this hungry in a while.
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on August 01, 2021, 04:44:40 PM
last night felt like a 2.0 show to me. Just fire, and hunger. Not super rehearsed but the intent was there, so i can forgive it. I haven't seen Trey this hungry in a while.
This is not crazy talk, tbh.
Couldn?t agree more. Well said.
Quote from: rowjimmy on August 01, 2021, 07:41:06 PM
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on August 01, 2021, 04:44:40 PM
last night felt like a 2.0 show to me. Just fire, and hunger. Not super rehearsed but the intent was there, so i can forgive it. I haven't seen Trey this hungry in a while.
This is not crazy talk, tbh.
Fuckin' NOTED!
Quote from: antelope19 on August 01, 2021, 08:10:01 PM
Couldn?t agree more. Well said.
Dude, STFU already.
Quote from: rowjimmy on August 01, 2021, 07:41:06 PM
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on August 01, 2021, 04:44:40 PM
last night felt like a 2.0 show to me. Just fire, and hunger. Not super rehearsed but the intent was there, so i can forgive it. I haven't seen Trey this hungry in a while.
This is not crazy talk, tbh.
The internet just broke
I mean, they're crushing it so far. rusty AF at times but that's the :phish: from vermont sometimes.
Quote from: sunrisevt on August 01, 2021, 09:12:52 PM
Quote from: antelope19 on August 01, 2021, 08:10:01 PM
Couldn?t agree more. Well said.
Dude, STFU already.
Shit we still do that here?! Some things never change.
Also the guys just continue to kill it tonight too.
In deep voice: ?yeah?
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Quote from: WhatstheUse? on August 01, 2021, 09:56:36 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on August 01, 2021, 07:41:06 PM
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on August 01, 2021, 04:44:40 PM
last night felt like a 2.0 show to me. Just fire, and hunger. Not super rehearsed but the intent was there, so i can forgive it. I haven't seen Trey this hungry in a while.
This is not crazy talk, tbh.
The internet just broke
34 minute Tweezer says "What's up?"
Yup this is is fuckin IT!!
https://www.instagram.com/p/CSDlDu8HiSI (https://www.instagram.com/p/CSDlDu8HiSI)
Quote from: PIE-GUY on August 01, 2021, 11:03:08 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CSDlDu8HiSI (https://www.instagram.com/p/CSDlDu8HiSI)
OMG
FTR, they are FUCKING BACK!!!!!!!
Dudes. That Tweezer just kept on groovin! I couldn?t believe how hard they kept pushin that. Twist shot off like a cannon as well. By the end of Piper.. Farmhouse/Waste was just the perfect cloud to land on.
Trey really seems full of musical ideas this tour. Other than Arkansas, he really hasn?t been Horse-Forcing segues or awkwardly ending jams at all
You guys, in honor of Phish not sucking, I say we allow Lope to post without telling him to STFU.
Maybe on a trial basis.
Quote from: rowjimmy on August 02, 2021, 10:18:40 PM
You guys, in honor of Phish not sucking, I say we allow Lope to post without telling him to STFU.
Maybe on a trial basis.
Let's not get carried away...
Quote from: Caravan2001 on August 02, 2021, 10:27:18 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on August 02, 2021, 10:18:40 PM
You guys, in honor of Phish not sucking, I say we allow Lope to post without telling him to STFU.
Maybe on a trial basis.
Let's not get carried away...
I mean, if he makes more than one post a month, we?ll consider it. But come on!
Quote from: PIE-GUY on August 02, 2021, 11:34:41 PM
Quote from: Caravan2001 on August 02, 2021, 10:27:18 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on August 02, 2021, 10:18:40 PM
You guys, in honor of Phish not sucking, I say we allow Lope to post without telling him to STFU.
Maybe on a trial basis.
Let's not get carried away...
I mean, if he makes more than one post a month, we?ll consider it. But come on!
Let's see how Nashville goes.
I'll tell you who's back, Trey's tone. :music:
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on August 03, 2021, 09:49:23 AM
I'll tell you who's back, Trey's tone. :music:
Yeah man
Quote from: rowjimmy on August 01, 2021, 07:40:21 PM
Tone?
You wanna talk about tone?
We are talking about tone.
https://treysguitarrig.com/2021/08/01/treys-new-trainwreck-the-special-guest-amps-revealed/
Quote from: rowjimmy on August 03, 2021, 09:50:41 AM
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on August 03, 2021, 09:49:23 AM
I'll tell you who's back, Trey's tone. :music:
Yeah man
Quote from: rowjimmy on August 01, 2021, 07:40:21 PM
Tone?
You wanna talk about tone?
We are talking about tone.
https://treysguitarrig.com/2021/08/01/treys-new-trainwreck-the-special-guest-amps-revealed/
Cleanest tone ever?? Sounds fantastic to these ears, for sure.
Quote from: rowjimmy on August 03, 2021, 09:50:41 AM
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on August 03, 2021, 09:49:23 AM
I'll tell you who's back, Trey's tone. :music:
Yeah man
Quote from: rowjimmy on August 01, 2021, 07:40:21 PM
Tone?
You wanna talk about tone?
We are talking about tone.
https://treysguitarrig.com/2021/08/01/treys-new-trainwreck-the-special-guest-amps-revealed/
Yup. What took him so long? Also, less ballads so far.
so is there anything left standing of deer creek after they torched that fucker last night?
:wtu:
Haven't heard a note yet... but a 48 minute Soul Planet!?! FuqYah! :beerbang:
4.0 slaps
Yeah you could say that. Wow what a summer.
Quote4.0 slaps
Understatement of the summer. :music:
Truly one of the best tours in the past twenty years. 2015 was the last time I felt they were on a real hot streak, but I think this summer matched or topped that.
Some stinker shows spread throughout, but that's phish/life. I feel both Alpharetta shows, Nashville N2, Deer Creek 1, both Shoreline, and Dicks N3 had all the elements that make up a great phish show. Creative setlist/flow, solid jams and a bit of humor/weirdness/goofing around.
Sad it's over!
QuoteSad it's over!
Sad I still haven't seen a show since Charleston.Sofa King excited for Vegas.
Quote from: PIE-GUY on September 06, 2021, 11:40:51 PMQuoteSad it's over!
Sad I still haven't seen a show since Charleston.
Sofa King excited for Vegas.
It's been since 2019-12-30 for me... Cannot WAIT for Vegas.
Quote from: rowjimmy on September 07, 2021, 10:31:24 AMQuote from: PIE-GUY on September 06, 2021, 11:40:51 PMQuoteSad it's over!
Sad I still haven't seen a show since Charleston.
Sofa King excited for Vegas.
It's been since 2019-12-30 for me... Cannot WAIT for Vegas.
It's been since last week at Shoreline for me... but--and I can say with absolute certainty that I have never before written this next sentence with regards to anything at all, ever--
I can't wait for Sacramento.
sad its over indeed, but ill be back on the train in 6 weeks & 3 days though! :pbjtime:
I really wanna catch Phoenix and chula
Quote from: anthrax on September 07, 2021, 06:28:15 PMI really wanna catch Phoenix and chula
Join us. You won't regret it.
Quote from: rowjimmy on September 07, 2021, 10:31:24 AMQuote from: PIE-GUY on September 06, 2021, 11:40:51 PMQuoteSad it's over!
Sad I still haven't seen a show since Charleston.
Sofa King excited for Vegas.
It's been since 2019-12-30 for me... Cannot WAIT for Vegas.
It's been since 2019-11-30 for me...
CANNOT wait for Vegas.
Did you listen to that Carini encore from SF??
Quote from: rowjimmy on October 17, 2021, 09:11:30 PMDid you listen to that Carini encore from SF??
Not yet
Quote from: nab on October 18, 2021, 01:02:01 AMQuote from: rowjimmy on October 17, 2021, 09:11:30 PMDid you listen to that Carini encore from SF??
Not yet
Yer missin' out.
Also I'm knee deep in his Set Your Soul Free jam from last night's 4-song set two right now and holy shit.
I concur with all this.
¡Esta mierda está en fuego!
Quote¡Esta mierda está en fuego!
my spanish is questionable, but does that mean "this shit is on fire"?
QuoteQuote¡Esta mierda está en fuego!
my spanish is questionable, but does that mean "this shit is on fire"?
yes, it does!
Quote from: rowjimmy on October 18, 2021, 08:35:48 AMQuote from: nab on October 18, 2021, 01:02:01 AMQuote from: rowjimmy on October 17, 2021, 09:11:30 PMDid you listen to that Carini encore from SF??
Not yet
Yer missin' out.
Also I'm knee deep in his Set Your Soul Free jam from last night's 4-song set two right now and holy shit.
Since I didn't want to make a mistake as drastic as missing out, I put it on as soon as I read this post.
I can confirm that it does indeed deliver.
This band is tearin' it UP! Tonight was killer!!! :samurai:
The haters are in shambles
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on October 24, 2021, 05:47:32 AMThis band is tearin' it UP! Tonight was killer!!! :samurai:
I can't remember the last time I was this excited for a run. Vegas baby!
QuoteQuoteThis band is tearin' it UP! Tonight was killer!!! :samurai:
I can't remember the last time I was this excited for a run. Vegas baby!
Yes yes yes.
They're sounding the best they have since 2000, IMO.
Busting out 15 minute jams left and right, having fun while also kicking total ass, this is gonna be one long crescendo until sunday!
having fun while also kicking total ass, that's the dream folks, and the dream is reality
YEM. Point taken
Do you even Tweezerfest?
signed. Every night is getting jams, different and amazing jams. Last night was so raging. So psyched for Vegas.
Quote from: emay on October 25, 2021, 12:48:32 PMsigned. Every night is getting jams, different and amazing jams. Last night was so raging. So psyched for Vegas.
ARF ARF ARF
QuoteQuotesigned. Every night is getting jams, different and amazing jams. Last night was so raging. So psyched for Vegas.
ARF ARF ARF
my guy. see you in a couple days :pbjtime: :beers: ARF ARF
reporting for duty, sir
:samurai:
:beerbang:
Yup :sbw:
:music:
I concur.
Can't wait to give set 2 a spin.
:wtu: Yes please.
While I surely realize I "missed the boat"... this tour has given me such a completely satisfied feeling that I haven't quite felt before. When people look back 10-20-30 years from now, I really do think this year will stand out.
Of the past 8 shows I saw... I'd maaaybe rank one of them as "below average" (Santa Barbara) but I feel the other 7 stand amongst some of the strongest I've seen. Never have I seen that consistency!
Lastly... am I crazy or did I go 8 shows without a DWD?! That's gotta be a first...
Maybe I'm crazy, but 2021 has been the high point of phish since 3.0.
Quote from: Bobafett on November 02, 2021, 09:41:31 AMMaybe I'm crazy, but 2021 has been the high point of phish since 3.0.
It seems likely this winter might see some deep comparative listening to whole sets, shows, & runs from fall 2013, summer 2015, and 2021.
Quote from: Bobafett on November 02, 2021, 09:41:31 AMMaybe I'm crazy, but 2021 has been the high point of phish since 3.0.
You're not crazy.
They are indeed at a high point. This tour was just simply amazing. Idk the last time I felt this way about the band. Even after 5 days in Vegas we were talking about how we could literally keep going to more shows this week, mentally. From SF through SoCal and Vegas, it felt like a story unfolding with something different every night. SF had a strong start with intricate jams, the jammed NICU and teases at NICU, tweezerfest madness in LA and our intergalactic dance party in Veagas. I feel like even when they started up a repeat from a couple shows ago, no one cared, we were ready to hear them blow the wheels off whatever jam vehicle they wanted to play. The jams sounded so...fresh, every night. I love this band
4-song second set, anyone?
Quote4-song second set, anyone?
Mmm... Tasty!
Last night absolutely slayed. Easily the best Mexico show to date and on par with where they were last fall, IMO. Super creative and patient jamming.
Not a dull moment other than a lackluster Antelope, but by that point is was all gravy baby!
finally listening to the 2nd set now, really really good
Longest sand ever! 34 mins! About to fire it up now.
Quote from: emay on June 06, 2022, 11:27:58 AMLongest sand ever! 34 mins! About to fire it up now.
I think you'll agree it delivers.
Quote from: emay on June 06, 2022, 11:27:58 AMLongest sand ever! 34 mins! About to fire it up now.
But--is it? Now that QT isn't a song? Hmm...
In any case, this one is badass, checked it out late last night.
QuoteQuoteLongest sand ever! 34 mins! About to fire it up now.
But--is it? Now that QT isn't a song? Hmm...
In any case, this one is badass, checked it out late last night.
Oh yeah true, phish.net gods have spoken
RIP Deer Creek
Sorry, Mr. Charlie. Hope you enjoyed your final run there. Phish burned that shit to the ground.
I heard people saying this run was meh
Quote from: GBL on June 06, 2022, 01:28:29 PMI heard people saying this run was meh
That does sound like something people would say.
:hereyougoyousentimentalbastar
been watching alot of videos of this tour.
Definitely seems like a good one.
i love deer creek :phish: :phish: :phish:
Quote from: anthrax on June 06, 2022, 03:34:07 PMi love deer creek :phish: :phish: :phish:
As a native to NE sheds like SPAC & Great Woods, with their congestion and asshole security, I'll say this venue fucking owns. Also the shows fucking ruled.
Solid tour all around. After 3 somewhat mediocre events ie NYE, Mexico, and MSG, Phish was back flexing their improvisational muscles. For starters go back to the Orange Beach Chalk Dust. Also opening with huge, jammy tunes this tour. Short but sweet.
There was no NYE, unless you meant Halloween
Quote from: GBL on June 06, 2022, 08:53:43 PMThere was no NYE, unless you meant Halloween
sure there was.
Quotei love deer creek :phish: :phish: :phish:
Me, too. It's the only place I saw Jerry play ever. It's real special.
Fucking epic set II last night in AC.
Sound the alarms!
Quote from: rowjimmy on August 06, 2022, 09:44:22 AMFucking epic set II last night in AC.
Sound the alarms!
Looks good on paper, that's for sure! I look forward to listening!
AC1 (via recording) is stupendous. Fluid, energetic, improvisationally muscular. Dig it.
AC3 was great imo, ending of Wave of Hope was 🔥🔥🔥
That was fun.
My brain hurts. A lot.
N1 was Good.....N2 I was too spun to enjoy at all (still had a blast).....N3 was GOOD.
Quote from: Marmar on August 08, 2022, 04:46:24 PMI was too spun to enjoy at all (still had a blast)
Ah yes, the ever-so-rare unenjoyable good time.
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on August 08, 2022, 05:24:54 PMQuote from: Marmar on August 08, 2022, 04:46:24 PMI was too spun to enjoy at all (still had a blast)
Ah yes, the ever-so-rare unenjoyable good time.
Wendell is my witness....
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on August 08, 2022, 05:24:54 PMQuote from: Marmar on August 08, 2022, 04:46:24 PMI was too spun to enjoy at all (still had a blast)
Ah yes, the ever-so-rare unenjoyable good time.
:hereyougoyousentimentalbastar
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on August 08, 2022, 05:24:54 PMQuote from: Marmar on August 08, 2022, 04:46:24 PMI was too spun to enjoy at all (still had a blast)
Ah yes, the ever-so-rare unenjoyable good time.
I seem to recall a certain hotel room in Atlantic City during the earliest hours of November, 2010 ...
>:D
Oh, no denying. It's a thing. I've lived it.
Quote from: sunrisevt on August 09, 2022, 01:35:09 AMQuote from: WhatstheUse? on August 08, 2022, 05:24:54 PMQuote from: Marmar on August 08, 2022, 04:46:24 PMI was too spun to enjoy at all (still had a blast)
Ah yes, the ever-so-rare unenjoyable good time.
I seem to recall a certain hotel room in Atlantic City during the earliest hours of November, 2010 ...
dino boogie?
I thought it was the Burger King
All of the above, and then some.
Triscuit'd
Guys, I think I might be ready to say that "Phish is Fucking Back" now.
Quote from: mattstick on August 11, 2022, 12:46:47 PMGuys, I think I might be ready to say that "Phish is Fucking Back" now.
:willynilly:
Quote from: mattstick on August 11, 2022, 12:46:47 PMGuys, I think I might be ready to say that "Phish is Fucking Back" now.
Better late than never, but 2022 still isn't touching 2021.
Anyway, glad you had fun!
Quote from: Hicks on August 11, 2022, 02:27:45 PMQuote from: mattstick on August 11, 2022, 12:46:47 PMGuys, I think I might be ready to say that "Phish is Fucking Back" now.
Better late than never, but 2022 still isn't touching 2021.
Anyway, glad you had fun!
TRUF!
Quote from: mattstick on August 11, 2022, 12:46:47 PMGuys, I think I might be ready to say that "Phish is Fucking Back" now.
You can just whisper
"In Canada" at the end. Then its true no matter how they play.
Hello.
Not feeling this run. The first night 2nd set got hot for a bit and the 2nd night was a short banger. Other than that the highlights are few and far between.
Idk jams every night. Prob best set of tour (N2) plus two big bust outs icculus & thunderhead (!). Couple songs haven't played all summer (no quarter, fee). Seems like recipe for pretty good run. Honesty best one I saw out of the week on tour back east. Actually switched some stuff up for this run.
I'm going to have to side with emay on this one. The way they laid those 4 nights out are a thing of beauty. I've only listened to half of it but what I've heard made me pretty jealous of the peeps that were there.
Quote from: emay on September 10, 2022, 10:08:14 PMIdk jams every night. Prob best set of tour (N2) plus two big bust outs icculus & thunderhead (!). Couple songs haven't played all summer (no quarter, fee). Seems like recipe for pretty good run. Honesty best one I saw out of the week on tour back east. Actually switched some stuff up for this run.
Yeah, I agree. Attendance bias aside, and earlier tour highlights aside, I think this was the most consistent stand of the whole summer. There were some great jams and real standouts throughout the summer but I felt like throughout the tour things would peter out in the 4th quarter or a strong first set would be followed by a meh second set. Dick's was pretty solid the whole way through even without a Blossom Free or other 30 minute set maker. Thought it was all very good. The one set show still my fave.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_je2H_iJD8&t=1191s
20 minutes into this thing had me thinking about this thread :willynilly:
I've been deliberately avoiding tour so far, so that I can go into Wilmington (see ISO thread pls :D ) fresh, or not biased by ripcords and too much GOTF, and there they go destroying Alpharetta as usual.
Wilmington is gonna get plenty of heat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdjboAhQNSw
^^^They should have played thru set break. Seems like omebody dropped the ball on that one.
Quote from: anthrax on July 20, 2023, 01:42:32 PM^^^They should have played thru set break. Seems like omebody dropped the ball on that one.
There was a very small percentage chance of rain at show time. That squall formed really quick.
Seems like it was fine when they left the stage. kicked up during break, caused a short delay and then they played for 45mins before having to bail.
At ~2hours of music they got about as much music in as some of the one-set rain delayed shows from last year.
Ten years to the day since Northerly.
Quote from: rowjimmy on July 20, 2023, 02:38:00 PMSeems like it was fine when they left the stage. kicked up during break, caused a short delay and then they played for 45mins before having to bail.
At ~2hours of music they got about as much music in as some of the one-set rain delayed shows from last year.
Ten years to the day since Northerly.
Don't remind me! That was such a buzzkill!!
Quote from: anthrax on July 20, 2023, 03:15:21 PMQuote from: rowjimmy on July 20, 2023, 02:38:00 PMSeems like it was fine when they left the stage. kicked up during break, caused a short delay and then they played for 45mins before having to bail.
At ~2hours of music they got about as much music in as some of the one-set rain delayed shows from last year.
Ten years to the day since Northerly.
Don't remind me! That was such a buzzkill!!
Remind me, please? What happened there?
Quote from: sunrisevt on July 20, 2023, 04:50:16 PMQuote from: anthrax on July 20, 2023, 03:15:21 PMQuote from: rowjimmy on July 20, 2023, 02:38:00 PMSeems like it was fine when they left the stage. kicked up during break, caused a short delay and then they played for 45mins before having to bail.
At ~2hours of music they got about as much music in as some of the one-set rain delayed shows from last year.
Ten years to the day since Northerly.
Don't remind me! That was such a buzzkill!!
Remind me, please? What happened there?
The band was forced offstage during fuckerpants.
Absolutely wild experience in Wilmington. Phish jamming in the rain, jamming it away during Chalk Dust, we thought for good, it returned, weathering it, apparently deciding to play through it until the utmost. Water streaming off the speakers and lights. Page getting progressively buried in tarps. It was fully raining on the band under that roof, water flying off Fishman's cymbals. Never seen anything like it. At last someone came to tell Trey it was time to call it—-the lightning was on top of us. Fishman refusing to leave the stage, classic. "Taylor Swift didn't quit!" Then he seemed to have gotten the lightning memo and was like "Oh, that's a different story."
Nigh apocalyptic scene. Helluva night to take acid. Everyone got absolutely soaked to the bone, scattered and fleeing while someone over the PA told us to evacuate the venue—-as if we needed the instructions. We poured into the streets. The park ... I wish it a speedy recovery. We walked the 1.8 miles back to our Airbnb chilly and sodden, and it rained on us one last time a half mile out as we smoked the last joint that had stayed safe and dry inside the plastic bag in my pocket.
Unforgettable.
Quote from: PIE-GUY on July 20, 2023, 05:18:49 PMQuote from: sunrisevt on July 20, 2023, 04:50:16 PMQuote from: anthrax on July 20, 2023, 03:15:21 PMQuote from: rowjimmy on July 20, 2023, 02:38:00 PMSeems like it was fine when they left the stage. kicked up during break, caused a short delay and then they played for 45mins before having to bail.
At ~2hours of music they got about as much music in as some of the one-set rain delayed shows from last year.
Ten years to the day since Northerly.
Don't remind me! That was such a buzzkill!!
Remind me, please? What happened there?
The band was forced offstage during fuckerpants.
I mean, if there's a good time for it to happen...
Quote from: VDB on July 20, 2023, 08:02:09 PMAbsolutely wild experience in Wilmington. Phish jamming in the rain, jamming it away during Chalk Dust, we thought for good, it returned, weathering it, apparently deciding to play through it until the utmost. Water steaming off the speakers and lights. Page getting progressively buried in tarps. It was fully raining on the band under that roof, water flying off Fishman's cymbals. Never seen anything like it. At last someone came to tell Trey it was time to call it—-the lightning was on top of us. Fishman refusing to leave the stage, classic. "Taylor Swift didn't quit!" Then he seemed to have gotten the lightning memo and was like "Oh, that's a different story."
Nigh apocalyptic scene. Helluva night to take acid. Everyone got absolutely soaked to the bone, scattered and fleeing while someone over the PA told us to evacuate the venue—-as if we needed the instructions. We poured into the streets. The park ... I wish it a speedy recovery. We walked the 1.8 miles back to our Airbnb chilly and sodden, and it rained on us one last time a half mile out as we smoked the last joint that had stayed safe and dry inside the plastic bag in my pocket.
Unforgettable.
Damn! I was wondering how you faired. Sounds like you made the best out of the situation. Acid helps.
Obviously, a bummer overall, but dealing with those type situations on L are always an unforgettable experience.
Honestly, hard to even call it a bummer the way things turned out. It was intense, unique, surprising, fun. We all had high hopes for N2 after the musical bummer that was N1 (although at least the grass was dry and the weather was beautiful), and things were going pretty well in that regard, and we did get some quality jamming out of CDT and Oblivion. You can't control Mother Nature--always a humbling lesson to be reminded of--but watching the band refuse to yield to her was truly a sight to see. Definitely one of the more pronounced dramatic arcs to any day or run of Phish I've been on. We dried off at the rental house and immediately drank a bottle of fine champagne.
welp... Can we lock this thread or what?
Phish is here. they've been here for a while and they are kicking ass.
I mean, if you like the love and light material, you've gotta be on the fucking moon right now. And if you don't, there's still plenty to keep you interested night after night. this Summer tour had a little thing I like to call consistency.
That's the thing that was elusive in the mid-3.0 days.
Indeed! Great shows at the garden every night. Caught 5 of the 7. Many highlights.
Don't call it a comeback, they've been here for years.
don't lock the thread!
I thought we all loved when someone gets all mahl'd out and posts here after a show??
Quote from: GBL on August 08, 2023, 06:16:01 PMdon't lock the thread!
I thought we all loved when someone gets all mahl'd out and posts here after a show??
I was joking to make a point, man.
Yooooo! The chaldust tonight was the real deal! Yeah boys! :pbjtime:
i feel like they are using mexico as a warm up for the sphere where they'll just basically jam the entire run.
5th Longest tune of all time last night with that Chalk Dust. And it's good.
Longest Chalk Dust to date, as well.
8th longest tune of all time on Thursday with Wave of Hope.
Also good.
Also, both shows hold up as whole shows.
Axilla II is the shit.
Loved Wave of Hope too, and Birds, and that whole second set, really.
Haven't heard the chalkdust yet.
They're back!
Again!
AGAIN??!!
what i miss this time :o
Hole-E Fawk! That's some hot shit!!!
The wife is out, so I threw the show on the big screen through the good system and danced my ass off! That CDT is something otherworldly! Watching Trey grin while playing with that loop pedal was a true joy to watch.
Holy shit this might be the best jamming of 3.0. This is weird, Mexico is usually really bad haha. This is incredible. And Trey's tone is AWESOME.
Both Wave of Hope and Chalkdust are fucking legit. Absolutely legit. These jams are monsters.
Damn just listened to Axilla II from N2. What a wild outro jam, Phish unhinged!
Actually watched the CDT in its entirety last night. Glad to see and hear them pushing the limits still. Listening to Birds as I type, :o
Quote from: susep on February 26, 2024, 02:55:17 PMDamn just listened to Axilla II from N2. What a wild outro jam, Phish unhinged!
looked wild too
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