Offers to seed in return for having your requests filled will go along way. Not offers to keep sharing what we seed, or even offers to seed stuff that we dont have. There are other people out there who may not have it, but would like to. And you can help them. So if you plan to ISO here, try to seed stuff in return. If you havent noticed there are other people coming around who are also well known seeders around bt.etree.org. Your requests have a higher chance of being fulfilled if you become an active contributer. Think about it... if you have questions about seeding torrents on your own you can find a wealth of information by using google (http://google.com), or, post your questions here.
I 2nd this!!!!
It gets real old, seeing people who just registered for the sole purpose of ISOing. At least make an attempt to seed something or see if you have anything anyone whats.
But I understand, I was once like you. So lets get some more seeds going. Share the wealth. Enjoy the music.
If you ISO once and we seed your show; and then you ISO again and dont offer to seed anything, you stand little chance.
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How does one seed a show? Is it just opening the window of a completed BT? If so, no problem, I can seed....
I re-seed for the "stranded" on etree all the time. But I'm also happy to help out here with anything I can. I don't have any fancy program for converting WAV > SHN but here's my list, if I can help any project in any way let me know. I have not posted any 2000 > 2004 PHiSH and lots of other shows I've downloaded / burned recently to my list, so it will be updated soon with lots more stuff. I've not posted source info for many shows but I can email it to you...
db.etree.org/dirty%20sanchez
Some people create torrents and seed shows themselves and some people re-seed what they downloaded when needed. Both are great practices and I encourage anyone to participate in both.
Really the bottom line is that this board is here for a community to interact and not for the people who started or who contribute to the week4paug.net cause to fulfill everyone's ISOs. There are like 5 of us, and even between us we dont have *every* show in circulation, and we dont have alot of time either.
I am more apt to notice a post to this forum if its made by a name I recognize as a contributor. If you come to this forum with the intention of fulfilling someones ISOs you will find that your ISOs get more attention as well. Even so, you may request a show that none of us have.... thats where more users comes into play.... and thats a whole new topic.
Quote from: guyforgetOffers to seed in return for having your requests filled will go along way. Not offers to keep sharing what we seed, or even offers to seed stuff that we dont have. There are other people out there who may not have it, but would like to. And you can help them. So if you plan to ISO here, try to seed stuff in return.
Quote from: guyforgetI am more apt to notice a post to this forum if its made by a name I recognize as a contributor. If you come to this forum with the intention of fulfilling someones ISOs you will find that your ISOs get more attention as well.
I couldn't agree more with this. Take a recent example. I seeded a show for someone that they had been looking for, apparently for a good while. In turn, I wrote the person and asked if they had a list so that maybe they could seed something for me. They in turn told me that they have limited harddrive space and because of it were not able to seed. What? I then explained it takes the same amount of HD space to leech as it does to seed and then explained the simple steps to seeding a show. In response, they admitted that they "don't know how to seed and that if I post to this forum someone else will definitely hook me up." Nice attitude to have!
I used that one situation as an example, but it is becoming more evident to me that there are way too many leeches around here and not enough seeders.
The obvious bottom line is that people seem to be too ignorant to try and figure out how to seed for others. This goes for the people who try and justify their contribution to the community by saying that they "re-seed" and never learn how to create and start a seed of their own. That is definitely a positive thing and something that is needed, but more people need to learn how to seed. There are definitely a good number of seeders already out there, but there should be more and the reason there are not more is that these people are apparently too lazy or ignorant to learn.
Anyway, I just wanted to say that I agree 100% with
guyforget's assertions and that if you expect to get people to respond to your ISO's, you should make sure you have a list and that you can seed a show for someone else and not always be a leech.
If anyone reading this wants to know how to seed, there are instructions here (http://bt.etree.org/upload.php). If you are having trouble and still have questions, send me an email or PM and I will gladly help you out.
I would be happy to seed something...but i will be honest, i have no clue what im doing. on etree im basically a leech...i download a show, burn it, and then delete the file from my computer in order to free up space. but if someone could help me out, maybe give a quick tutorial, id love to share some shows.
Quote from: phishead153I would be happy to seed something...but i will be honest, i have no clue what im doing. on etree im basically a leech...i download a show, burn it, and then delete the file from my computer in order to free up space. but if someone could help me out, maybe give a quick tutorial, id love to share some shows.
Start with the link in the last paragraph of my last post and if you cannot figure it out and have questions, let me know and I will help. You should definitely start on your own
(and that link is very good, so I wouldn't point you there if I didn't feel like you had a good chance of figuring it out from there; when I first decided to seed that link did the trick and I didn't have any help from anyone) so that you have at least half an idea of what's going on so that if/when you ask questions, you will have a semblance of what you are doing. Seeding a show really is a short process. There are minimal steps and it is not very hard.
alright thanks man...ill read up
I've grabbed hundreds of shows off bt.etree.org in the past. I recently started visiting this board and see that I was able to fill a lot of ISO and/or Re-Seed requests. It is very easy to upload a show via etree. There is something to say as well to the satisfaction of seeing over 200 completes on a show you seeded that you may have grabbed off the same site within the year.
Keep in mind that there were around 3 "Project xx" running at the same time. It is quite easy to miss a show especially if you were away for a few days.
I want to help/give back since The Iguana helped me with my request for 12/31/96 FM>DAT for my brother and nephew, but doing so may require some assistance here, too. I have at least a couple DAT sources (maybe more, I need to look around some more) that do not seem to circulate. The problem is I can't do DAT>CDR transfers anymore since my HHb 800 went down.
I have a MSC>DAT of 2/19/93 but there is bad diginoise in Loving Cup. Would someone want to try to transfer this and either try to smooth/pencil the diginoise (if possible), patch this source w/ the AUD for that song, or Matrix it?
I also have a MSC>Cass.>DAT of 4/21/92 that I would love to have on CDR (and is apprently an upgrade to what circulates). It cuts in Maze and does not include the encores, but they could be added from the AUD that circulates. Would anyone want to transfer/tackle this as well? I would like to give back/help, as I love the idea of this place and I am glad to have stumbled in here recently! If anyone can help w/ these, please give me a holler! :-D
I first want to say that what you all do between this site and bt.etree is awesome. You have helped me to truly be able to experience my favorite band!! I am new to this site, but have grabbed a lot of shows from bt.etree. Similar to many responses that I have seen posted, I would absolutely love to seed any of the shows that I have grabbed but anytime that I start trying to figure out the process of seeding I get very confused. A few users have sent me links of pages that contain tutorials - but I sometimes get lost in the language of the instructions. Perhaps someone could start a forum to help explain the process to some of us who would love to share but get lost in the steps. I think there are many of us in that situation.
So count me in as someone who always keeps his seed window open until I've achieved a high ratio, but does not know how to re-seed a show. I want to be able to hook someone up with a reseed request, seeing as though I've grabbed maybe 75% of all Phish shows in the past 7-8 months, thanks to a blazing fast connection and 3TBs of extra HD space. Anyway,
I have a couple questions:
(1) For some FLAC shows I have deleted the fingerprint text files because, at the time, I didn't know what it was and was trying to de-clutter. Does that mean I can't re-seed those shows?
(2) For shows I downloaded in SHN format, I have since converted to FLAC and possibly deleted the MD5 checksum files. So that presents two problems which I'm not sure can be remedied: how do I know which shows were originally SHN so I can convert them back to SHN for reseeding purposes, and does the lack of MD5 files mean I can't reseed?
Quote from: digs5446 on January 13, 2010, 04:56:58 PM
(1) For some FLAC shows I have deleted the fingerprint text files because, at the time, I didn't know what it was and was trying to de-clutter. Does that mean I can't re-seed those shows?
Not necessarily. If you know what shn ID they are you can just go to that specific db page and copy/paste the ffps into a new text file, or just download the ffp checksum files and include them.
If you don't know what shn ID they are, you can use trader's little helper to generate new ffps. Copy one of the new ffp lines and paste it into the "Find any source" box on http://db.etree.org (http://db.etree.org). That will find the exact shn ID you're looking for.
In both cases make sure you verify the ffp's, to make sure the files weren't altered in any way.
Quote from: digs5446 on January 13, 2010, 04:56:58 PM
(2) For shows I downloaded in SHN format, I have since converted to FLAC and possibly deleted the MD5 checksum files. So that presents two problems which I'm not sure can be remedied: how do I know which shows were originally SHN so I can convert them back to SHN for reseeding purposes, and does the lack of MD5 files mean I can't reseed?
Maybe I'm wrong, and if I am someone please tell me, but I don't think you can go SHN > WAV > FLAC then back into SHN and still have the original checksums. I don't think they'll match. And if that's the case, I'd just keep those for your personal collection and not share them.
What I'd recommend is that you start keeping your filesets the same way they were when you downloaded them. Archive them on DVD or an external HD, and then do whatever you want for your own listening purposes. That way you'll have a copy of the original fileset that you can share down the line.
ytowndan - OK so i have no clue how you do multiple quotes like that, so I will just say:
I know which shnid's all of my downloads are, whether the torrent was labeled that way or i can refer to the lineage in the text file and match it up in the db with the proper shnid. So no worries there.
"In both cases make sure you verify the ffp's, to make sure the files weren't altered in any way."
Not sure how one does that. Please advise.
"What I'd recommend is that you start keeping your filesets the same way they were when you downloaded them. Archive them on DVD or an external HD, and then do whatever you want for your own listening purposes. That way you'll have a copy of the original fileset that you can share down the line."
The tricky thing with that is that I definitely want to keep a FLAC copy of shows that were originally in SHN so i can listen to them on my portable (FLAC-enabled) and be able to click and play the files through my PC speakers...which I don't think you can do w/ SHN files, can you?
I guess the option most helpful to others would be to archive all the SHNs I proceed to get from this point forward onto dual-layer DVDs or something...that way I have a re-seedable file and the converted FLACs on my PC.
Thanks for the info, I really really appreciate it. I think there are lots of folks who really do want to be more helpful with seeding...and may be decent enough with computers, but this whole torrent/multiple formats/checksums/etc business can be pretty heavy for the uninitiated. Even though there are "how to" guides out there, they're usually still not dumbed down enough to be helpful to us simple folk :cry:
For verifying checksum files (.ffp .md5) I recommend grabbing trader's little helper.
http://tlh.easytree.org/ (http://tlh.easytree.org/)
Grab the checksum file(s) off of the database, and replace the checksum files you already have in your folder with the new ones from the database. Then just open the program, drag and drop the checksum file, and hit verify. You'll see the program running/reading through the files for that folder. It's making sure the data in the checksum file matches the data in the actual shn/flac files. If it verifies then you know that what you have is identical to the original fileset, and it's good to seed.
As far as playing shn files on your PC, you have 2 options. Winamp and Foobar. They both have shn plugins. I'd recommend foobar, because it's more lightweight, and it's shn plugin is better than winamp's. It'll allow you to seek (ff or rw) through the old shn files that don't have seek tables (many of the older shn filesets don't). Winamp's shn plugin will not allow that.
wow, thanks ytowndan! never knew SHNs were click-playable. :beers:
EDIT - just installed Foobar and the SHN plug-in, can't tell you how nice it is to click a SHN file and listen right away! I know I must sound a few years behind. Definitely going to keep a seperate archive of the SHNs i download in the future so I can help people out with reseeds. Cheers.
dan- I've tried the flac>wav>shn>>>>>>flac and have not gotten the same FFp, not sure if there is a trick to making it happen but I'd prefer people dont do that. After all it's unnecessary steps...
Quote from: disco on January 14, 2010, 12:57:15 AM
dan- I've tried the flac>wav>shn>>>>>>flac and have not gotten the same FFp, not sure if there is a trick to making it happen but I'd prefer people dont do that. After all it's unnecessary steps...
Thanks, John. Like I said, I wasn't sure, but I didn't think that would work. Thanks for clarifying.
Quote from: ytowndan on January 14, 2010, 01:29:28 AM
Quote from: disco on January 14, 2010, 12:57:15 AM
dan- I've tried the flac>wav>shn>>>>>>flac and have not gotten the same FFp, not sure if there is a trick to making it happen but I'd prefer people dont do that. After all it's unnecessary steps...
Thanks, John. Like I said, I wasn't sure, but I didn't think that would work. Thanks for clarifying.
FLAC>WAV>SHN>WAV>FLAC
and/or
SHN>WAV>FLAC>WAV>SHN
both of the above scenarios
should work, as both FLAC and SHN format are lossless and the audio is not changed with either format. however, there are several reasons why original checksums wouldn't pass if everything isn't done exactly the same.
let's just look at SHN>WAV>FLAC>WAV>SHN, for example.
header info. the SHN format kept whataver non-standard header info might have been present in the original WAV file. the FLAC format always strips non-standard header info upon compression. So if the original SHN file had non-standard header info, which was then removed when converting to FLAC, it won't be there when converted back to SHN.
Or, maybe the original SHN didn't have seek tables appended, and the new SHN file does has seek tables appended.
Or, maybe there were sector-boundary errors (SBE's) with the original SHN files, and when encoded to FLAC the box "fix SBE's" was checked, so now that is fixed and different. All of these things would result in different md5's of the whole file, although the audio content is the same.
so, all this said, while it should be
possible to do several sets of conversions with no change to the files, there are many things that could make the end outcome different from the original. I'm sure there are more than what I listed above, and therefore, it's definitely not recommended to do. but it certainly is possible, under the right circumstances.