Poll
Question:
Did Phish play "Fuck Your Face" because they know about or read week4paug.net?
Option 1: Yes. Obviously.
Option 2: No. It was a coincidence.
Option 3: I'm not sure.
For those that don't know about this yet:
On 07/01/10 in the "Live Fucking Setlist Thread" the theme or word of the night was "Fuck". Not sure how many F-bombs were actually dropped in it's 42 pages, but there were fucking plenty. Someone should count them all.
On 07/02/10 in Charlotte, Phish played the bustout to end all bustouts: "Fuck Your Face" was played for the first time in over 23 years (the last -- and only -- known performance was on 4/29/87 or 1,413 shows ago).
http://week4paug.net/2009-live-setlists-and-post-show-discussions-and-reviews/0701-time-warner-cable-music-pavilion-raleigh-nc-live-setlist-thread/ (http://week4paug.net/2009-live-setlists-and-post-show-discussions-and-reviews/0701-time-warner-cable-music-pavilion-raleigh-nc-live-setlist-thread/)
Please share your thoughts on this..
there was a Fuck Your Face sign in Raleigh. My friend who was in the pit told me about over the weekend. So no, they didn't play that song because of this board.
Quote from: sophist on July 06, 2010, 01:54:19 PM
there was a Fuck Your Face sign in Raleigh. My friend who was in the pit told me about over the weekend. So no, they didn't play that song because of this board.
i've seen more request posters at 3.0 shows for songs that haven't been played than ones that have. so no, that's just one opinion.
Quote from: sophist on July 06, 2010, 01:54:19 PM
there was a Fuck Your Face sign in Raleigh. My friend who was in the pit told me about over the weekend. So no, they didn't play that song because of this board.
Well fuck that. :wtu:
You guys will get the real explanation as soon as gimmetela gets on here with her pics. Be patient.
Quote from: redrum on July 06, 2010, 01:56:18 PM
Quote from: sophist on July 06, 2010, 01:54:19 PM
there was a Fuck Your Face sign in Raleigh. My friend who was in the pit told me about over the weekend. So no, they didn't play that song because of this board.
i've seen more request posters at 3.0 shows for songs that haven't been played than ones that have. so no, that's just one opinion.
But those are for other songs that get played. A Fuck Your Face poster is going to catch the eye of the band more so than most signs. It's not an opinion. It's reality. It's foolish to think that posting a bunch of fuck yous on a message board translates to the ultimate bust out. I don't see the connection at all. None of you were referencing that song or even discussing it in that thread. the whole concept of that thread was to be a bunch of dicks to each other. How is that Fuck Your Face? It's not. sorry, I know the bubble is popped here, but that's the truth. They saw a sign and went out of their way to play that tune.
Quote from: goodabouthood on July 06, 2010, 01:59:46 PM
You guys will get the real explanation as soon as gimmetela gets on here with her pics. Be patient.
FUCK patience, tell me now!!!
Quote from: Hicks on July 06, 2010, 01:57:27 PM
Quote from: sophist on July 06, 2010, 01:54:19 PM
there was a Fuck Your Face sign in Raleigh. My friend who was in the pit told me about over the weekend. So no, they didn't play that song because of this board.
Well fuck that. :wtu:
I remember both Fuck your Face and Vultures being called in one of the Live Setlist threads, just before they were played... and I did thing after reading Raleigh's setlist that the paug was the influence... but I really don't know... but I have my intuition... We rock!!! and PT sucks ass!!!
I'm not gonna find it, but I called Fuck Your Face on the 7/1 LST.
Quote from: sophist on July 06, 2010, 02:00:35 PM
Quote from: redrum on July 06, 2010, 01:56:18 PM
Quote from: sophist on July 06, 2010, 01:54:19 PM
there was a Fuck Your Face sign in Raleigh. My friend who was in the pit told me about over the weekend. So no, they didn't play that song because of this board.
i've seen more request posters at 3.0 shows for songs that haven't been played than ones that have. so no, that's just one opinion.
But those are for other songs that get played. A Fuck Your Face poster is going to catch the eye of the band more so than most signs. It's not an opinion. It's reality. It's foolish to think that posting a bunch of fuck yous on a message board translates to the ultimate bust out. I don't see the connection at all. None of you were referencing that song or even discussing it in that thread. the whole concept of that thread was to be a bunch of dicks to each other. How is that Fuck Your Face? It's not. sorry, I know the bubble is popped here, but that's the truth. They saw a sign and went out of their way to play that tune.
lol. everyone changing their avatar to themselves flipping their middle finger in the air actually made me think "fuck your face"
Why would they read the LST thread though? No offense, but they are just same people (me included) cracking retarded inside jokes every time. It's an awesome way to spend one's night when they aren't at the show, but it's hardly a beacon of knowledge or insight with regards to the actual show. So to me, it just seems ludicrous to think that has any influence on the band, and why wouldn't they take many of the more well thought out ideas to heart within this board?
You guys are confusing cause with correlation.
You really think Fuck Your Face was the ultimate bust out?
Quote from: sophist on July 06, 2010, 02:00:35 PM
Quote from: redrum on July 06, 2010, 01:56:18 PM
Quote from: sophist on July 06, 2010, 01:54:19 PM
there was a Fuck Your Face sign in Raleigh. My friend who was in the pit told me about over the weekend. So no, they didn't play that song because of this board.
i've seen more request posters at 3.0 shows for songs that haven't been played than ones that have. so no, that's just one opinion.
But those are for other songs that get played. A Fuck Your Face poster is going to catch the eye of the band more so than most signs. It's not an opinion. It's reality. It's foolish to think that posting a bunch of fuck yous on a message board translates to the ultimate bust out. I don't see the connection at all. None of you were referencing that song or even discussing it in that thread. the whole concept of that thread was to be a bunch of dicks to each other. How is that Fuck Your Face? It's not. sorry, I know the bubble is popped here, but that's the truth. They saw a sign and went out of their way to play that tune.
No!! That's not what we are referring to Sophist... We are referring to the actual call of Fuck your Face, Vultures and 1 more song all called in the same LST on 7/1... They played 3 unusual songs that were are called in that same LST on 7/2... Amazing coincidence...
Quote from: mattstick on July 06, 2010, 02:10:37 PM
You really think Fuck Your Face was the ultimate bust out?
He did say it. But does he
really think it.....
Mattstick: resident week4paug police
:police:
Quote from: mattstick on July 06, 2010, 02:10:37 PM
You really think Fuck Your Face was the ultimate bust out?
What would you call it? It hasn't been played since 87. I'd say that's pretty fucking huge. What would be bigger to you?
Quote from: sophist on July 06, 2010, 02:09:01 PM
Why would they read the LST thread though? No offense, but they are just same people (me included) cracking retarded inside jokes every time. It's an awesome way to spend one's night when they aren't at the show, but it's hardly a beacon of knowledge or insight with regards to the actual show. So to me, it just seems ludicrous to think that has any influence on the band, and why wouldn't they take many of the more well thought out ideas to heart within this board?
You guys are confusing cause with correlation.
i'm not saying it was DEF this board that caused them to randomly bustout one of the rarest songs in their
catalog.
but i know it's not out of the question & it's absolutely worth discussing even if we had nothing to do with it.
you & i both now there are people on this board that personally know the band & many people in the organization.
it may have been the request poster, it may have been the board, it may have been both, it may have neither.
Quote from: mattstick on July 06, 2010, 02:10:37 PM
You really think Fuck Your Face was the ultimate bust out?
Played only once before on an unknown date at least 23 years ago . . .
I'd say yes.
You guys know the rule...
If you weren't there, it wasn't anything special...
:roll:
Quote from: Hicks on July 06, 2010, 02:15:21 PM
Quote from: mattstick on July 06, 2010, 02:10:37 PM
You really think Fuck Your Face was the ultimate bust out?
Played only once before on an unknown date at least 23 years ago . . .
I'd say yes.
It can't only be about the date since last played. The quality of, and importance of the song to the band's songbook is more important to me. I'd put 2/28/03's Destiny Unbound ahead of Fuck Your Face. FYI McGrupp - I was not at 2/28/03.
Also, the fact that they're making a conscious effort to dust off songs from the wayyyy back catalog kind of diminishes the recent "bust outs" to me.
Quote from: McGrupp on July 06, 2010, 02:13:58 PM
Quote from: mattstick on July 06, 2010, 02:10:37 PM
You really think Fuck Your Face was the ultimate bust out?
He did say it. But does he really think it.....
Mattstick: resident week4paug police
:police:
LOL. seriously.
:::puts arms out for handcuffs to be slapped on:::
i quoted that from phish.net
http://phish.net/news/1278167589 (http://phish.net/news/1278167589)
Quote
F#*$ YOUR FACE
Posted 3 days ago by lumpblockclod - 13 comments - Link: http://phi.sh/p3spx (http://phi.sh/p3spx)
Last night in Charlotte, Phish played the bustout to end all bustouts: "Fuck Your Face" was played for the first time in over 23 years (the last -- and only -- known performance was on 4/29/87 or 1,413 shows ago). Interestingly, Phish also performed an a cappella version of "Proud Mary" during the "YEM" vocal jam. "Mary" was the previous longest-gap record holder when it was played on 3/1/03 for the first time since the very first Phish show (12/2/83 or 1,364 shows). Needless to say, excitement is running high for the last two shows of the tour in Alpharetta. Can "Prep School Hippie" or "Punch Me in the Eye" be far behind?
guess i shoulda used the quoting option the first time. :frustrated:
You kidz and your "if you're not saying what I'm saying you must be an unheady cop" emoticons...
Quote from: mattstick on July 06, 2010, 02:18:33 PM
Quote from: Hicks on July 06, 2010, 02:15:21 PM
Quote from: mattstick on July 06, 2010, 02:10:37 PM
You really think Fuck Your Face was the ultimate bust out?
Played only once before on an unknown date at least 23 years ago . . .
I'd say yes.
It can't only be about the date since last played. The quality of, and importance of the song to the band's songbook is more important to me. I'd put 2/28/03's Destiny Unbound ahead of Fuck Your Face. FYI McGrupp - I was not at 2/28/03.
Also, the fact that they're making a conscious effort to dust off songs from the wayyyy back catalog kind of diminishes the recent "bust outs" to me.
Destiny was played heavily throughout 90-91 though, so there's tons of folks that were seeing them back then that caught it.
This was a song that practically no one had seen before, and even if they had who can remember since the date is totally unconfirmed.
As one of Mike's earlier compositions, I'd say it's historically significant too, and certainly an interesting tune as well.
So all that adds up to a bustout of the highest order in my book.
Quote from: mattstick on July 06, 2010, 02:20:59 PM
You kidz and your "if you're not saying what I'm saying you must be an unheady cop" emoticons...
I'm not calling you a dick, but I do think you have trouble typing the same way you would speak.
Quote from: mattstick on July 06, 2010, 02:20:59 PM
You kidz and your "if you're not saying what I'm saying you must be an unheady cop" emoticons...
but heady or unheady -- are you cop?
by law you have to tell me. (i think)
Quote from: mattstick on July 06, 2010, 02:18:33 PM
Quote from: Hicks on July 06, 2010, 02:15:21 PM
Quote from: mattstick on July 06, 2010, 02:10:37 PM
You really think Fuck Your Face was the ultimate bust out?
Played only once before on an unknown date at least 23 years ago . . .
I'd say yes.
It can't only be about the date since last played. The quality of, and importance of the song to the band's songbook is more important to me. I'd put 2/28/03's Destiny Unbound ahead of Fuck Your Face. FYI McGrupp - I was not at 2/28/03.
Also, the fact that they're making a conscious effort to dust off songs from the wayyyy back catalog kind of diminishes the recent "bust outs" to me.
So according to you, one of their first songs written is less important than one of their more popular songs?
Quote from: Hicks on July 06, 2010, 02:22:17 PM
Quote from: mattstick on July 06, 2010, 02:18:33 PM
Quote from: Hicks on July 06, 2010, 02:15:21 PM
Quote from: mattstick on July 06, 2010, 02:10:37 PM
You really think Fuck Your Face was the ultimate bust out?
Played only once before on an unknown date at least 23 years ago . . .
I'd say yes.
It can't only be about the date since last played. The quality of, and importance of the song to the band's songbook is more important to me. I'd put 2/28/03's Destiny Unbound ahead of Fuck Your Face. FYI McGrupp - I was not at 2/28/03.
Also, the fact that they're making a conscious effort to dust off songs from the wayyyy back catalog kind of diminishes the recent "bust outs" to me.
Destiny was played heavily throughout 90-91 though, so there's tons of folks that were seeing them back then that caught it.
This was a song that practically no one had seen before, and even if they had who can remember since the date is totally unconfirmed.
As one of Mike's earlier compositions, I'd say it's historically significant too, and certainly an interesting tune as well.
So all that adds up to a bustout of the highest order in my book.
This.
Destiny, lol.
Plus Hicks and I called it.
Regardless, this ain't no top 40 phish anymore...
I was worried for a sec there.
Quote from: McGrupp on July 06, 2010, 02:22:46 PM
I'm not calling you a dick, but I do think you have trouble typing the same way you would speak.
And I'm not calling you a w00k, but if you were to suggest that I was the "fun police" because you disagreed with my opinion, I'd tell you to STFU. Cool?
Quote from: Hicks on July 06, 2010, 02:22:17 PM
Destiny was played heavily throughout 90-91 though, so there's tons of folks that were seeing them back then that caught it.
This was a song that practically no one had seen before, and even if they had who can remember since the date is totally unconfirmed.
As one of Mike's earlier compositions, I'd say it's historically significant too, and certainly an interesting tune as well.
So all that adds up to a bustout of the highest order in my book.
I see what you're saying, but Destiny Unbound was the song that people thought would never be played again, at least when I started seeing shows... it's not like there were people waiting for the Fuck Your Face bustout. And while I'm not a fan of Destiny Unbound or Fuck Your Face as songs, I do think Destiny Unbound is a little more interesting.
Quote from: sophist on July 06, 2010, 02:23:33 PM
So according to you, one of their first songs written is less important than one of their more popular songs?
Yes. Are you jonesin' to hear Minkin, And So To Bed? or He Ent To The Bog?
If you go through the first 11 pages of the fuck you 7/1 setlist thread... LLama, Roses are Free, Fuck your Face, Vultures, and Lizards were called... prior to 7/1 being played... and they played all those songs in 2 nights... Can see Sophist's point, but it's definitely weird, thats all...
Quote from: mattstick on July 06, 2010, 02:29:55 PM
Quote from: McGrupp on July 06, 2010, 02:22:46 PM
I'm not calling you a dick, but I do think you have trouble typing the same way you would speak.
And I'm not calling you a w00k, but if you were to suggest that I was the "fun police" because you disagreed with my opinion, I'd tell you to STFU. Cool?
Fun police? No. But you sure do like imposing "the right" (your) opinion on people YOU disagree with. In a 'hetty phish lawz' enforcement kind of way.
I'm sure you're a nice guy in person, but man you sure come off as a dick on the interweb (which is ser biz, no?).
And that's what I was trying to say before.
Quote from: Poster Nutbag on July 06, 2010, 02:32:42 PM
If you go through the first 11 pages of the fuck you 7/1 setlist thread... LLama, Roses are Free, Fuck your Face, Vultures, and Lizards were called... prior to 7/1 being played... and they played all those songs in 2 nights... Can see Sophist's point, but it's definitely weird, thats all...
I went back to the LFST and had a blast...again! Here is what I found.
Quote from: hicks
This, Rage Against Homework is lamers.
Also, Fuck Your Face opener tonight.
And yes, while they did not open with it, I think there were too many stars aligned. As for your friend seeing the sign, I just learned this fact, although I still believe in this conspiracy. Its like whether there was a Lone Shooter or not. I believe (at least I will lie to myself) that week4paug is now the puppet master of Phish.
Quote from: UncleEbinezer on July 06, 2010, 02:38:02 PM
Quote from: Poster Nutbag on July 06, 2010, 02:32:42 PM
If you go through the first 11 pages of the fuck you 7/1 setlist thread... LLama, Roses are Free, Fuck your Face, Vultures, and Lizards were called... prior to 7/1 being played... and they played all those songs in 2 nights... Can see Sophist's point, but it's definitely weird, thats all...
I went back to the LFST and had a blast...again! Here is what I found.
Quote from: rowjimmy
« Reply #44 on: July 01, 2010, 05:26:58 pm »Quote from: rowjimmy on July 01, 2010, 05:09:37 pm
Hey fuck you!
RATM, LOL
Quote from: hicks
This, Rage Against Homework is lamers.
Also, Fuck Your Face opener tonight.
Hey fuck you, that's my quote! :wink:
Quote from: Hicks on July 06, 2010, 02:41:57 PM
Quote from: UncleEbinezer on July 06, 2010, 02:38:02 PM
Quote from: Poster Nutbag on July 06, 2010, 02:32:42 PM
If you go through the first 11 pages of the fuck you 7/1 setlist thread... LLama, Roses are Free, Fuck your Face, Vultures, and Lizards were called... prior to 7/1 being played... and they played all those songs in 2 nights... Can see Sophist's point, but it's definitely weird, thats all...
I went back to the LFST and had a blast...again! Here is what I found.
Quote from: hicks
This, Rage Against Homework is lamers.
Also, Fuck Your Face opener tonight.
Hey fuck you, that's my quote! :wink:
[/quote]
You were right. I was doing something else and my brain lapsed. mod'd
Quote from: Hicks on July 06, 2010, 02:41:57 PM
Hey fuck you, that's my quote! :wink:
Btw, fuck you too!!!! :hereitisyousentimentalbastard
Quote from: UncleEbinezer on July 06, 2010, 02:45:40 PM
Quote from: Hicks on July 06, 2010, 02:41:57 PM
Hey fuck you, that's my quote! :wink:
Btw, fuck you too!!!! :hereitisyousentimentalbastard
What's a few fuck yous amongst friends?
Also,
Trey Monkeystasio #2 : Summer Tickets / Hampton (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j45sZllDnO4#)
^^^ :hereitisyousentimentalbastard :hereitisyousentimentalbastard :hereitisyousentimentalbastard
I was quoting that monkeystasio video post-show to Jphish! Love it!
Quote from: mattstick on July 06, 2010, 02:29:55 PM
Quote from: Hicks on July 06, 2010, 02:22:17 PM
Destiny was played heavily throughout 90-91 though, so there's tons of folks that were seeing them back then that caught it.
This was a song that practically no one had seen before, and even if they had who can remember since the date is totally unconfirmed.
As one of Mike's earlier compositions, I'd say it's historically significant too, and certainly an interesting tune as well.
So all that adds up to a bustout of the highest order in my book.
I see what you're saying, but Destiny Unbound was the song that people thought would never be played again, at least when I started seeing shows... it's not like there were people waiting for the Fuck Your Face bustout. And while I'm not a fan of Destiny Unbound or Fuck Your Face as songs, I do think Destiny Unbound is a little more interesting.
Quote from: sophist on July 06, 2010, 02:23:33 PM
So according to you, one of their first songs written is less important than one of their more popular songs?
Yes. Are you jonesin' to hear Minkin, And So To Bed? or He Ent To The Bog?
I would appreciate it if they played them. Part of me is a huge stats nerd, it's what I love about the band, that they have these rare songs. Are they the best songs in the catalog? No. But I like having them as a possible option, and I appreciate the significance of a bust out like FYF.
As a tune i like it though, I think FYF is a cool song. I dig the main riff and I thought they raged the fuck out of it in Charlotte.
Quote from: McGrupp on July 06, 2010, 02:36:53 PM
Fun police? No. But you sure do like imposing "the right" (your) opinion on people YOU disagree with. In a 'hetty phish lawz' enforcement kind of way.
I'm sure you're a nice guy in person, but man you sure come off as a dick on the interweb (which is ser biz, no?).
And that's what I was trying to say before.
Meh. I asked a question... You assumed the rest. Clearly Hicks, sophist and others were up to the task of discussing it.
Quote from: mattstick on July 06, 2010, 02:55:10 PM
Quote from: McGrupp on July 06, 2010, 02:36:53 PM
Fun police? No. But you sure do like imposing "the right" (your) opinion on people YOU disagree with. In a 'hetty phish lawz' enforcement kind of way.
I'm sure you're a nice guy in person, but man you sure come off as a dick on the interweb (which is ser biz, no?).
And that's what I was trying to say before.
Meh. I asked a question... You assumed the rest. Clearly Hicks, sophist and others were up to the task of discussing it.
Those guys were being civil, I was just straight up being a dick.
At least I can admit when I'm being a dick, right? :hereitisyousentimentalbastard
/me would totally shit in guyforget's hat if they played He Ent To The Bog.
Quote from: rowjimmy on July 06, 2010, 03:03:42 PM
/me would totally shit in guyforget's hat if they played He Ent To The Bog.
/me would be to take the # 1
Quote from: sophist on July 06, 2010, 03:04:28 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on July 06, 2010, 03:03:42 PM
/me would totally shit in guyforget's hat if they played He Ent To The Bog.
/me would be to there to take the A # 1
FYP
i havent listened to fyf yet, but it is a pretty big bustout.
that said, as far as significance in the scene, i gotta agree w/ mattstick that destiny unbound @ 2/28/03 was the biggest phish bustout ever.
you ask anyone who was on tour in the last 90's what the song they wanted them to bring back was, and it was destiny, destiny, destiny. it had lore, it had hype, it had a reputation. second only to a narrated gamehendge, in my opinion.
I get that. I'm not diminishing that either. 796 shows is a huge gap, but FYF was 1413 show gap. I think that speaks volumes, at least in the sense that they brought something out of the wood work that was seemingly impossible to return from a statistical standpoint. It was/is much more likely for a song like Destiny to be played again. I was just as stoked to get my first Destiny on 7/3 as I was about FYF. The only difference though is the pure shock of it, and I guess that is akin to what happened to people at 2/28/03, it must of been shocking.
Destiny = overhyped
FYF = too obscure to even be hyped.
Sitting at home for both... I was more shocked by the FYF bustdown (despite having called for it earlier in the week.)
The likelihood of them ever playing that song again was @ 0% a week ago.
The ultimate bust-out would be Scarlett Begonias->Fire->Fire on the Mountain (w/ one verse of "Fire up the Ganja"). It's not an original, but it would tear the place to shreds.
Quote from: Hicks on July 06, 2010, 03:24:47 PM
Destiny = overhyped
FYF = too obscure to even be hyped.
i dont disagree w/ either of those statements.
and neither affect my previously stated opinion.
they played Demand for august.
I think some people here are psychic and don't know it.
:P
Quote from: blatboom on July 06, 2010, 03:36:10 PM
they played Demand for august.
About that, there can be no doubt.
Quote from: willsteele on July 06, 2010, 03:39:18 PM
I think some people here are psychic and don't know it.
:P
I'm well aware of my psychic abilities.
Quote from: Hicks on July 06, 2010, 03:40:25 PM
Quote from: willsteele on July 06, 2010, 03:39:18 PM
I think some people here are psychic and don't know it.
:P
I'm well aware of my psychic abilities.
I knew you were going to say that.
Quote from: willsteele on July 06, 2010, 03:39:18 PM
I think some people here are psychic psycho and don't know it.
FYP :hereitisyousentimentalbastard
I don't think anybody is reading the Paug but there was definitely some cool synchronicity going on those last few shows between what the board was saying and what the band was playing.
Quote from: blatboom on July 06, 2010, 03:47:40 PM
I don't think anybody is reading the Paug but there was definitely some cool synchronicity going on those last few shows between what the board was saying and what the band was playing.
Kevin knows we exist fwiw.
And don't forget John Mayer! :-D
Quote from: Hicks on July 06, 2010, 03:51:57 PM
Quote from: blatboom on July 06, 2010, 03:47:40 PM
I don't think anybody is reading the Paug but there was definitely some cool synchronicity going on those last few shows between what the board was saying and what the band was playing.
Kevin knows we exist fwiw.
Elaborations plz
Quote from: McGrupp on July 06, 2010, 03:54:23 PM
Quote from: Hicks on July 06, 2010, 03:51:57 PM
Quote from: blatboom on July 06, 2010, 03:47:40 PM
I don't think anybody is reading the Paug but there was definitely some cool synchronicity going on those last few shows between what the board was saying and what the band was playing.
Kevin knows we exist fwiw.
Elaborations plz
When Kevin played the Bozeman Tweezer on a FTA show he said something like "peace to the week4paug family" in his email to Aug.
Quote from: blatboom on July 06, 2010, 03:47:40 PM
I don't think anybody is reading the Paug but there was definitely some cool synchronicity going on those last few shows between what the board was saying and what the band was playing.
Absolutely. I'm still up in the air on this. I believe it's POSSIBLE, but unlikely that any of them are reading the paug. That being said, the synchronicity was insane between both the "Live Fucking Setlist Thread" and the "Love Setlist Thread" from a couple nights later when half of us were all cozy faded and throwing around free love like it was Summer '69 at in upstate NY.
I think you guys have their motivation all wrong.
They clearly saw the thread, realized that we were having more fun than everyone at the show combined, and tried to recreate the unbridled rawefucksomeness for their paying audience.
Also, I didn't see it mentioned elsewhere, but this is obviously why they played RATM too. They didn't have enough time to work up a whole show's worth of songs prominently featuring the word FUCK.
You people are all fucked.
Quote from: mistercharlie on July 06, 2010, 06:00:33 PM
Quote from: Hicks on July 06, 2010, 05:20:20 PM
Quote from: Superfreakie on July 06, 2010, 05:15:53 PM
You people are all fucked.
A-fucking-men.
Hey, Fuck You!
u guys really think they're gona play it again??
sorry, not gona happen.
it was a once in a lifetime type of thing.
Quote from: redrum on July 06, 2010, 06:03:58 PM
Quote from: mistercharlie on July 06, 2010, 06:00:33 PM
Quote from: Hicks on July 06, 2010, 05:20:20 PM
Quote from: Superfreakie on July 06, 2010, 05:15:53 PM
You people are all fucked.
A-fucking-men.
Hey, Fuck You!
u guys really think they're gona play it again??
sorry, not gona happen.
it was a once in a lifetime type of thing.
That's what people said about Destiny Unbound back in '03 when they busted it out.
well fuck.
the one thing that I have learned in seeing 100+ shows is that the band will play whatever the fuck they want to play. As much as the audience plays a role, brings a sign, sleeps with a band member and whispers requests into their ears, the band has no limitations. I think that the first leg of the tour has shown us that they are playing stronger and tighter than last year and that they are having a hell of a good time.
I say let em play shit from the 80's more than the new stuff cause only a % of people will know what the fuck is going on.... and that is what makes the shows exciting- not knowing what is next.
With the Grateful Dead you always knew that Fire on the Mountain was gonna come after Scarlet Begonias. Not the case with Phish.... you never know what will come after Mikes Song and if they will even bother going into Week4Paug.
For myself and my own enjoyment I like the element of surprise & not knowing what I am walking into when I hit up a show
But what the hell do I know....
Quote from: sophist on July 06, 2010, 02:14:50 PM
Quote from: mattstick on July 06, 2010, 02:10:37 PM
You really think Fuck Your Face was the ultimate bust out?
It hasn't been played since 87. I'd say that's pretty fucking huge.
Not to mention it gave us a fucking one-up on Caravan :-D Which is often sought but never fucking achieved.
Fuck yeah!
Quote from: JPhishman on July 06, 2010, 06:59:23 PM
Quote from: sophist on July 06, 2010, 02:14:50 PM
Quote from: mattstick on July 06, 2010, 02:10:37 PM
You really think Fuck Your Face was the ultimate bust out?
It hasn't been played since 87. I'd say that's pretty fucking huge.
Not to mention it gave us a fucking one-up on Caravan :-D Which is often sought but never fucking achieved.
Fuck yeah!
QuoteI beat Caravan at Phish
JPhish and Sophist: 1
Caravan: 200 (give or take)
Quote from: Hicks on July 06, 2010, 07:47:47 PM
JPhish and Sophist: 1
Caravan: 200 (give or take)
it's a what-have-you-done-for-me-lately situation.
Quote from: Hicks on July 06, 2010, 07:47:47 PM
JPhish and Sophist: 1
Caravan: 200 (give or take)
Hey dude, we're off the schnide and it feels good, alright?! :-P
ETA: Fuck you!
Quote from: sharebear on July 06, 2010, 06:20:34 PM
With the Grateful Dead you always knew that Fire on the Mountain was gonna come after Scarlet Begonias. Not the case with Phish.... you never know what will come after Mikes Song and if they will even bother going into Week4Paug.
listen to the :syf: boston garden 9-20-91 show...2nd set.
the crowd reaction when they do help>slip>
FIRE and not franklin's says it all....i'm also thinking of the show when they do hey jude (ontario '93 im thinking)...the place fucking explodes.
phish does that all the time although the crowd reaction may not be the same. its one of the major reasons i consider :phish: as my #1 over :syf: that and they've
always managed to completely fuck my head up, on massive amounts of drugs and completely sober.
i completely agree with ya sharebear ;)
look at it this way, they played FYF!!! :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:
Quote from: tehdead on July 06, 2010, 08:06:54 PM
look at it this way, they played FYF!!! :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:
totally lol...all night and most of the next day my gf kept asking me why i was laughing and what i was saying when i was talking to myself...i was repeating "i cant fucking believe they played fuck your face"
i think the destiny vs FYF discussion is akin to the
GD, with FYF being unbroken chain, and destiny was more like dark star.
destiny as guyforget said was a beloved song that had the hype.
chain was like fyf, in that nobody ever expected them to play it, and also that it lost some of its hype once played b/c it was in the later years of the band......
well, sorta.
anyway, i was @ 2-28-03, but i agree with both camps.
...great. i just proved to myself that i am a gemini once again. :shakehead:
i said some thing before but got rid of it to say something else,
being involved in that monstrosity of vulgarity last friday night and then seeing it happen saturday hit me in a wierd way.
And if you were involved in LFST, and voted no.
just go home
/just sayin
Quote from: tehdead on July 06, 2010, 08:06:54 PM
look at it this way, they played FYF!!! :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:
you've got a strong point here. :-D
Quote from: JustJezmund on July 06, 2010, 09:57:44 PM
And if you were involved in LFST, and voted no.
just go home
/just sayin
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Quote from: !cEm@n $l!m on July 06, 2010, 09:51:13 PM
i think the destiny vs FYF discussion is akin to the
GD, with FYF being unbroken chain, and destiny was more like dark star.
destiny as guyforget said was a beloved song that had the hype.
chain was like fyf, in that nobody ever expected them to play it, and also that it lost some of its hype once played b/c it was in the later years of the band......
well, sorta.
anyway, i was @ 2-28-03, but i agree with both camps.
...great. i just proved to myself that i am a gemini once again. :shakehead:
I was @ the Chain... This (FYF) strikes me as being akin. EXCEPT most people in that venue didn't know what they were hearing the other night. A far greater percentage knew what was up when the Chain happened.
That said I still think the analogy holds up.
Quote from: rowjimmy on July 06, 2010, 10:38:16 PM
Quote from: !cEm@n $l!m on July 06, 2010, 09:51:13 PM
i think the destiny vs FYF discussion is akin to the
GD, with FYF being unbroken chain, and destiny was more like dark star.
destiny as guyforget said was a beloved song that had the hype.
chain was like fyf, in that nobody ever expected them to play it, and also that it lost some of its hype once played b/c it was in the later years of the band......
well, sorta.
anyway, i was @ 2-28-03, but i agree with both camps.
...great. i just proved to myself that i am a gemini once again. :shakehead:
I was @ the Chain... This (FYF) strikes me as being akin. EXCEPT most people in that venue didn't know what they were hearing the other night. A far greater percentage knew what was up when the Chain happened.
That said I still think the analogy holds up.
you realize the danger of agreeing with my insanity? :police:
Quote from: Hicks on July 06, 2010, 10:31:29 PM
Quote from: JustJezmund on July 06, 2010, 09:57:44 PM
And if you were involved in LFST, and voted no.
just go home
/just sayin
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this.
Quote from: !cEm@n $l!m on July 06, 2010, 10:45:39 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on July 06, 2010, 10:38:16 PM
Quote from: !cEm@n $l!m on July 06, 2010, 09:51:13 PM
i think the destiny vs FYF discussion is akin to the
GD, with FYF being unbroken chain, and destiny was more like dark star.
destiny as guyforget said was a beloved song that had the hype.
chain was like fyf, in that nobody ever expected them to play it, and also that it lost some of its hype once played b/c it was in the later years of the band......
well, sorta.
anyway, i was @ 2-28-03, but i agree with both camps.
...great. i just proved to myself that i am a gemini once again. :shakehead:
I was @ the Chain... This (FYF) strikes me as being akin. EXCEPT most people in that venue didn't know what they were hearing the other night. A far greater percentage knew what was up when the Chain happened.
That said I still think the analogy holds up.
you realize the danger of agreeing with my insanity? :police:
I've been hip to your rap for a long time, bro.
Definitely not
I know this because I saw someone on another board post that they were going to play this. They made that post about about two weeks ago
sorry to be a bubble buster
so does this mean there would have to be some prep school hippie discussions before they will play that? I'd be down with a whirl, I believe 12-6-86 is the last version of that song. That would technically beat the FYF bust out wise. As for if people really want to hear it, I doubt it. It's a fun lil' diddy that has a few dated references and a nice section in the middle. Yet another one that caravan's lazy ass has not made it out to see :-P
Quote from: mattstick on July 06, 2010, 02:18:33 PM
Quote from: Hicks on July 06, 2010, 02:15:21 PM
Quote from: mattstick on July 06, 2010, 02:10:37 PM
You really think Fuck Your Face was the ultimate bust out?
Played only once before on an unknown date at least 23 years ago . . .
I'd say yes.
It can't only be about the date since last played. The quality of, and importance of the song to the band's songbook is more important to me. I'd put 2/28/03's Destiny Unbound ahead of Fuck Your Face. FYI McGrupp - I was not at 2/28/03.
Also, the fact that they're making a conscious effort to dust off songs from the wayyyy back catalog kind of diminishes the recent "bust outs" to me.
And I'd put Alumni ahead of it too, because unlike FYF I actually think it was cool because I like the song, not just because they haven't played it in a long time.
Alumni '99 sans Letter to Jimmy Page, or Alumni '10 w/ LTJP?
I cant decide which is more significant, or if they tie, or what. I was particularly happy that they did the LTJP part when they played Alumni this year, as it should just be part of the song, like The Landlady is part of PYITE, or Bundle of Joy is part of Fluffhead.
Also, if youre going to count a song like Alumni Blues, which was played in '99, what about something like Curtis Loew? I bet I could have found more people on lot in the late '90s who would have said Curtis than FYF.
Well, it was only once off, and the time before that was twice in '94 then before that '91. 3 year gap, 5 year gap, 11 year gap. I'm saying that even if they had played Alumni>LTJB>Alumni frequently until '99 then didn't play it until this year I'd still say it was bigger. I think it's more about how important it was, and how good it is. I'd care more if they played it again this tour than if they busted out another '80s tune.
I am personally waiting for them to but out 'I Know A Little'. I love that song and they could play it so well with their current sound. Current gap of 1212 shows.
Quote from: guyforget on July 07, 2010, 05:06:52 AM
Alumni '99 sans Letter to Jimmy Page, or Alumni '10 w/ LTJP?
I cant decide which is more significant, or if they tie, or what. I was particularly happy that they did the LTJP part when they played Alumni this year, as it should just be part of the song, like The Landlady is part of PYITE, or Bundle of Joy is part of Fluffhead.
Also, if youre going to count a song like Alumni Blues, which was played in '99, what about something like Curtis Loew? I bet I could have found more people on lot in the late '90s who would have said Curtis than FYF.
I was pretty pumped to see Curtis Loew and NEVER thought I'd hear that. I was also super excited about Destiny at Fenway and then we get it again at the Gorge and then again at Alpharetta, but the specialness and stigma has kind of diminished for me now. I think FYF was pretty HUGE. A lot of people there knew of the song and a lot didn't. I think there is some lore around FYF. You would have had to really know some stuff about Phish to even know it existed as a song.
And as for the LTJP part, I agree, just call it part of the song. Its exactly like Landlady and for me I didn't "flip my shit" when it happened. Its basically part of the song. So I heard the first LTJP in X years. I was more excited about Alumni. It was funky and fun as hell. Really tight version!
It's funny that we're discussing how excited we "should" be about this bustout.
I'm just excited!!
I know we're all stats nerds, but d00dz, they played face. not played since 87. phish is back!
Except They don't play PYITE without the "Landlady" segments nor did they play LTJP while Alumni was on hiatus (as they did with Landlandy while PYITE was away.)
But they DID play Alumni without LTJP... Thus making that segment totally awesome to see.
Quote from: UncleEbinezer on July 07, 2010, 09:09:08 AM
Quote from: guyforget on July 07, 2010, 05:06:52 AM
Alumni '99 sans Letter to Jimmy Page, or Alumni '10 w/ LTJP?
I cant decide which is more significant, or if they tie, or what. I was particularly happy that they did the LTJP part when they played Alumni this year, as it should just be part of the song, like The Landlady is part of PYITE, or Bundle of Joy is part of Fluffhead.
Also, if youre going to count a song like Alumni Blues, which was played in '99, what about something like Curtis Loew? I bet I could have found more people on lot in the late '90s who would have said Curtis than FYF.
I was pretty pumped to see Curtis Loew and NEVER thought I'd hear that. I was also super excited about Destiny at Fenway and then we get it again at the Gorge and then again at Alpharetta, but the specialness and stigma has kind of diminished for me now. I think FYF was pretty HUGE. A lot of people there knew of the song and a lot didn't. I think there is some lore around FYF. You would have had to really know some stuff about Phish to even know it existed as a song.
And as for the LTJP part, I agree, just call it part of the song. Its exactly like Landlady and for me I didn't "flip my shit" when it happened. Its basically part of the song. So I heard the first LTJP in X years. I was more excited about Alumni. It was funky and fun as hell. Really tight version!
FWIW, I like the LTJP segment a lot more than the Alumni portion of the tune.
What a great quirky funky rocker!
Quote from: McGrupp on July 07, 2010, 10:03:22 AM
but d00dz, they played face. not played since 87. phish is back!
"Back" like better than 09, sure.
"Back" like just as good as 10 years ago, not sure.
Quote from: UncleEbinezer on July 07, 2010, 09:09:08 AM
And as for the LTJP part, I agree, just call it part of the song.
thats what livephish is calling it. "Alumni Blues".
so if it doesnt ever get played again, is there no more LTJP title?
wonder if royalties or legal issues had anything to do with that decision.
they did just pay out on The Rover.
Quote from: mattstick on July 07, 2010, 10:18:12 AM
Quote from: McGrupp on July 07, 2010, 10:03:22 AM
but d00dz, they played face. not played since 87. phish is back!
"Back" like better than 09, sure.
"Back" like just as good as 10 years ago, not sure.
They're back, as in "not broken up anymore and still throwing surprises our way". I said nothing about quality.
But you are right, definitely better than 09.
Quote from: redrum on July 07, 2010, 10:21:44 AM
Quote from: UncleEbinezer on July 07, 2010, 09:09:08 AM
And as for the LTJP part, I agree, just call it part of the song.
thats what livephish is calling it. "Alumni Blues".
so if it doesnt ever get played again, is there no more LTJP title?
wonder if royalties or legal issues had anything to do with that decision.
they did just pay out on The Rover.
No disrespect intended to friends of Caravan but the guys who do LivePhish don't really know shit.
Quote from: rowjimmy on July 07, 2010, 10:45:34 AM
No disrespect intended to friends of Caravan but the guys who do LivePhish don't really know shit.
i was under the impression that phish told them not to label LTJP as its own track.
maybe we can get some insight on this?
did phish acknowledge it anywhere else FTR or twitter or anything?
If you look at livephish.com it is labeled Alumni>LTP>Alumni...
http://www.livephish.com/live-music/0,540/Phish-mp3-flac-download-6-25-2010-Susquehanna-Bank-Center-Camden-NJ.html (http://www.livephish.com/live-music/0,540/Phish-mp3-flac-download-6-25-2010-Susquehanna-Bank-Center-Camden-NJ.html)
Plus, I guess both songs are written by Anastasio alone, so there is no reason to separate tracks for royalties or anything.
Quote from: UncleEbinezer on July 07, 2010, 09:09:08 AM
You would have had to really know some stuff about Phish to even know it existed as a song.
This is why FYF wins. Who cares what the masses talked about or wanted to come back?
FYF is so under the radar that only dudes like me, RJ and Trey Monkestasio talked about it.
A bustout of the highest order leaves 90% of the crowd scratching their heads, while rewarding the truly obsessive fans.
Also, lol at people thinking that Jimmy Page has copywritten his name.
Quote from: Hicks on July 07, 2010, 12:06:38 PM
Quote from: UncleEbinezer on July 07, 2010, 09:09:08 AM
You would have had to really know some stuff about Phish to even know it existed as a song.
This is why FYF wins. Who cares what the masses talked about or wanted to come back?
FYF is so under the radar that only dudes like me, RJ and Trey Monkestasio talked about it.
A bustout of the highest order leaves 90% of the crowd scratching their heads, while rewarding the truly obsessive fans.
Also, lol at people thinking that Jimmy Page has copywritten his name.
THIS
I'm with Hicks. Fuck Your Face wins.
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on July 07, 2010, 12:18:39 PM
I'm with Hicks. Fuck Your Face wins.
I agree - and the only original song left that would beat it as a bigger bustout is Prep School Hippie.
But, even as a cover, Scar->Fire->Fire on the Mountain would be even bigger. It's just so genius!
Quote from: whyweigh4.5 on July 06, 2010, 11:53:40 PM
Definitely not
I know this because I saw someone on another board post that they were going to play this. They made that post about about two weeks ago
sorry to be a bubble buster
I don't know what's lamer, the idea that they planned to play it two weeks ahead of time, or that they told enough people for it to end up on message boards.
Not buying it.
Quote from: Hicks on July 07, 2010, 12:06:38 PM
Also, lol at people thinking that Jimmy Page has copywritten his name.
what "people" thought that?
Quote from: Hicks on July 07, 2010, 12:26:09 PM
Quote from: whyweigh4.5 on July 06, 2010, 11:53:40 PM
Definitely not
I know this because I saw someone on another board post that they were going to play this. They made that post about about two weeks ago
sorry to be a bubble buster
I don't know what's lamer, the idea that they planned to play it two weeks ahead of time, or that they told enough people for it to end up on message boards.
Not buying it.
It might not have been that long ago... memory is foggy. But it was posted at least a week before the show. Luckily I did not read it until after I got home from the show. I cant stand when people post shit like that. Wow.. you heard this... dont post about it. I dont care how cool you think it will make you look that you know somehing, dont post about it and ruin the surprise for everyone else.. ya know. Major dickheadish move I think. Keep it to yourself
Quote from: redrum on July 07, 2010, 12:47:25 PM
Quote from: Hicks on July 07, 2010, 12:06:38 PM
Also, lol at people thinking that Jimmy Page has copywritten his name.
what "people" thought that?
Why else would they have to pay royalties on it?
OK, I found the post. It was on Reality-Tour of all places. They posted it on June 25th
Quote from: redrum on July 07, 2010, 10:21:44 AM
Quote from: UncleEbinezer on July 07, 2010, 09:09:08 AM
And as for the LTJP part, I agree, just call it part of the song.
thats what livephish is calling it. "Alumni Blues".
so if it doesnt ever get played again, is there no more LTJP title?
wonder if royalties or legal issues had anything to do with that decision.
they did just pay out on The Rover.
on livephish it WAS originally labeled Alumni only.
they must have gone back and snuck the LTJP in.
as for this>
Quote from: Hicks on July 07, 2010, 01:00:52 PM
Quote from: redrum on July 07, 2010, 12:47:25 PM
Quote from: Hicks on July 07, 2010, 12:06:38 PM
Also, lol at people thinking that Jimmy Page has copywritten his name.
what "people" thought that?
Why else would they have to pay royalties on it?
i guess i was just making a "generalization" :-o
on what i've heard about them dealing with Frank Zappa & Led Zeppelin copyright issues.
the jimmy page title wasnt there at first.
why else would it not have been there?
Quote from: redrum on July 07, 2010, 01:27:58 PM
Quote from: redrum on July 07, 2010, 10:21:44 AM
Quote from: UncleEbinezer on July 07, 2010, 09:09:08 AM
And as for the LTJP part, I agree, just call it part of the song.
thats what livephish is calling it. "Alumni Blues".
so if it doesnt ever get played again, is there no more LTJP title?
wonder if royalties or legal issues had anything to do with that decision.
they did just pay out on The Rover.
on livephish it WAS originally labeled Alumni only.
they must have gone back and snuck the LTJP in.
as for this>
Quote from: Hicks on July 07, 2010, 01:00:52 PM
Quote from: redrum on July 07, 2010, 12:47:25 PM
Quote from: Hicks on July 07, 2010, 12:06:38 PM
Also, lol at people thinking that Jimmy Page has copywritten his name.
what "people" thought that?
Why else would they have to pay royalties on it?
i guess i was just making a "generalization" :-o
on what i've heard about them dealing with Frank Zappa & Led Zeppelin copyright issues.
the jimmy page title wasnt there at first.
why else would it not have been there?
Quote from: rowjimmy on July 07, 2010, 10:45:34 AM
No disrespect intended to friends of Caravan but the guys who do LivePhish don't really know shit.
Quote from: whyweigh4.5 on July 07, 2010, 01:26:54 PM
OK, I found the post. It was on Reality-Tour of all places. They posted it on June 25th
HOLY SHIT!! now i'm completely baffled!!
HOW THE HELL DID THE BAND KNOW WE WERE GONNA HAVE A LIVE FUCKING SETLIST THREAD ON 7/1 IN JUNE???!!!
Quote from: whyweigh4.5 on July 07, 2010, 01:26:54 PM
OK, I found the post. It was on Reality-Tour of all places. They posted it on June 25th
That's nuts, and it really is disappointing that they would plan it out in advance like that.
Yeah I know. I could understand maybe a day or two ahead so they can polish it off. But that far ahead is... well...
Really? You guys are surprised that they plan out there bustouts ahead of time?
That makes complete sense to me.....
They have to practice them before they play them, right?
I don't think it's the fact that they plan to bust something out. But that they plan to bust it out on a specific date that far ahead
It just seems to me that almost everything in 3.0 has been well planned out ahead of time.
Surely, setlists are written out before shows, and I wouldn't be surprised if they had chose all of their bustouts and new covers before the tour even started.
Things are a bit less spontaneous in the world of phish these days....
oh I totally agree about everything being planned out and I think it's working pretty well. They definitely have the entire shows planned out setlist wise. Which is why sometimes Trey has to, what some may call "horseforce" a jam to get the show back on track. If he didn't then things just wouldnt work
Quote from: whyweigh4.5 on July 07, 2010, 01:49:44 PM
I don't think it's the fact that they plan to bust something out. But that they plan to bust it out on a specific date that far ahead
This.
And planning to play a song within a couple days in advance is one thing, but over a week in advance?
Lame.
I don't know who that guy is that posted it or how credible his inside info is. Could just be a coincidence, a very good good guess. But that would be a huge coincidence I think
I bet they had planned to play "Killing in the Name Of" on the 4th long before a week ahead of time.....
I mean I think Trey could figure out how to play FYF in a couple of hours tops, it's not like it is freakin' Fluffhead or anything.
Thats kind of different though. Playing THAT song on the 4th of July had some meaning to it. I'm not sure what the significance of playing FYF on the 2nd was... if anything at all
Quote from: whyweigh4.5 on July 07, 2010, 02:03:00 PM
Thats kind of different though. Playing THAT song on the 4th of July had some meaning to it.
KEEP IT IN THE POLITICAL THREADS!!!!!!
:wink: (jk)
all I'm saying is that most shows this year had either
a.) a new cover
or
b.) a huge bustout
Which imo, is awesome, and a cool way for the band to keep things fresh. It just wouldn't surprise me that they planned out ahead of time where a lot of these new songs/bustouts would be placed. They obviously had to do this somewhat systematically to ensure that each show had one of these things...
Quote from: redrum on July 07, 2010, 01:29:49 PM
Quote from: whyweigh4.5 on July 07, 2010, 01:26:54 PM
OK, I found the post. It was on Reality-Tour of all places. They posted it on June 25th
HOLY SHIT!! now i'm completely baffled!!
HOW THE HELL DID THE BAND KNOW WE WERE GONNA HAVE A LIVE FUCKING SETLIST THREAD ON 7/1 IN JUNE???!!!
:hereitisyousentimentalbastard