Komen pulls out... No more Planned Parenthood... Bowing to Anti-Abortion Christian polical forces...
Pathetic...
Terry
Quote from: twatts likes ghoti on February 01, 2012, 03:19:02 PM
Komen pulls out... No more Planned Parenthood... Bowing to Anti-Abortion Christian polical forces...
Pathetic...
Terry
Though I am familiar with what you are mentioning here, I have to say... "Komen pulls out... no more abortion" sounds pretty funny.
Quote from: PIE-GUY on February 01, 2012, 03:20:29 PM
Quote from: twatts likes ghoti on February 01, 2012, 03:19:02 PM
Komen pulls out... No more Planned Parenthood... Bowing to Anti-Abortion Christian polical forces...
Pathetic...
Terry
Though I am familiar with what you are mentioning here, I have to say... "Komen pulls out... no more abortion" sounds pretty funny.
I know... A joke is better at starting discussions than a rant sometimes...
Terry
agree on everything above.
fwiw - got this from SK today
QuoteWe have received a lot of messages of concern today regarding our national office's recent decision to halt funding to Planned Parenthood and wanted to take a moment to update our local supporters. This decision was made by Susan G. Komen for the Cure National Headquarters based on new guidelines that prohibit funding to organizations that are under local, state or federal investigation. We at the Massachusetts Affiliate are not part of these overarching decisions.
apparently, Planned Parenthood is under investigation, which doesn't surprise me.
btw, if you think I'm on too many email lists, you are correct.
Quote from: slslbs on February 01, 2012, 05:09:26 PM
agree on everything above.
fwiw - got this from SK today
QuoteWe have received a lot of messages of concern today regarding our national office's recent decision to halt funding to Planned Parenthood and wanted to take a moment to update our local supporters. This decision was made by Susan G. Komen for the Cure National Headquarters based on new guidelines that prohibit funding to organizations that are under local, state or federal investigation. We at the Massachusetts Affiliate are not part of these overarching decisions.
apparently, Planned Parenthood is under investigation, which doesn't surprise me.
btw, if you think I'm on too many email lists, you are correct.
Yeah, they are under investigation. An investigation that will never find anything, do anything, and report anything. Its like charging a person for a crime, never trying them or finding them guilty of anything, but passing them off as a guilty.
I wonder what Komen would do, say if Congress started an investigation into Komen itself, LOL???
Terry
agreed
the investigation is purely political
they could choose to make a stand, but...
No doubt the investigation is political, but should Komen just choose to ignore thier own policy of not funding organizations under Congressional inquiry? How do you know which policies to abide by or ignore?
Quote from: slslbs on February 01, 2012, 05:09:26 PM
btw, if you think I'm on too many email lists, you are correct.
:hereitisyousentimentalbastard
I was thinking that.
So, how big of a bag of popcorn does one need in order to wait for Godwin's law to rear it's ugly head in this thread?
well that's a bummer... being the the service industry I know a lot of girls that use planned parenthood, I myself have been one.
doctors are expensive especially when you work 40-60 hours a week with no insurance, which I'm sure a lot of you feel my pain there.
urgh politics. this is why some days i choose to play ignorant.
Not the first time Komen has pissed people off. They're also known to go after other charities and non-profits over use of the phrase "for the cure," which Komen seems to claim exclusive ownership of... as though anyone except Komen's lawyers gives a damn.
Those Komen people spend an awful lot on advertising anyway...
Fuck 'em.
/me writes another check to Planned Parenthood
Hacked...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/02/susan-g-komen-foundation-website-hacked-planned-parenthood_n_1250647.html
(http://cdn.theatlanticwire.com/img/upload/2012/02/02/tumblr_lyr6vbEXL21qzigb4o1_500.png)
Terry
it's unfortunate
both organizations do good work
ultimately, women will suffer because of this.
Komen caves to political pressure about caving to political pressure.
http://thescoopblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2012/02/komen-apologizes-for-recent-de.html
Quote
Komen apologizes for 'recent decisions,' pledges to continue funding Planned Parenthood
Komen for the Cure just released the following statement from Nancy Brinker and the Susan G. Komen Board of Directors:
Quote
We want to apologize to the American public for recent decisions that cast doubt upon our commitment to our mission of saving women's lives.
The events of this week have been deeply unsettling for our supporters, partners and friends and all of us at Susan G. Komen. We have been distressed at the presumption that the changes made to our funding criteria were done for political reasons or to specifically penalize Planned Parenthood. They were not.
Our original desire was to fulfill our fiduciary duty to our donors by not funding grant applications made by organizations under investigation. We will amend the criteria to make clear that disqualifying investigations must be criminal and conclusive in nature and not political. That is what is right and fair.
Our only goal for our granting process is to support women and families in the fight against breast cancer. Amending our criteria will ensure that politics has no place in our grant process. We will continue to fund existing grants, including those of Planned Parenthood, and preserve their eligibility to apply for future grants, while maintaining the ability of our affiliates to make funding decisions that meet the needs of their communities.
It is our hope and we believe it is time for everyone involved to pause, slow down and reflect on how grants can most effectively and directly be administered without controversies that hurt the cause of women. We urge everyone who has participated in this conversation across the country over the last few days to help us move past this issue. We do not want our mission marred or affected by politics - anyone's politics.
Starting this afternoon, we will have calls with our network and key supporters to refocus our attention on our mission and get back to doing our work. We ask for the public's understanding and patience as we gather our Komen affiliates from around the country to determine how to move forward in the best interests of the women and people we serve.
We extend our deepest thanks for the outpouring of support we have received from so many in the past few days and we sincerely hope that these changes will be welcomed by those who have expressed their concern.
good for them. that clearly was the right thing to do at this point.
Further reading (http://www.alternet.org/story/153989/6_things_you_need_to_know_about_the_komen_foundation_planned_parenthood_controversy?page=entire)
Quote from: V00D00BR3W on February 03, 2012, 03:02:24 PM
Further reading (http://www.alternet.org/story/153989/6_things_you_need_to_know_about_the_komen_foundation_planned_parenthood_controversy?page=entire)
My favorite part was when she quoted a Daily Kos
user's "explosive account of her own research into Komen." That reminded me of this article I saw in the NYT the other day that said "week4paug.net user
V00D00BR3W says 'Newt is a dickbag.'"
I am really struggling to understand why people who are supposedly so concerned about women's health think it's appropriate to vilify an organization that has invested $2B for breast cancer research, education, and support programs. Something about forests and trees.
Quote from: runawayjimbo on February 03, 2012, 04:37:16 PM
I am really struggling to understand why people who are supposedly so concerned about women's health think it's appropriate to vilify an organization that has invested $2B for breast cancer research, education, and support programs. Something about forests and trees.
Are you talking about the Right vilifying PP, or the Left's retaliation towards Komen???
I think its high humour that the Right now complains about the Left's reaction, the partisanship, the politication, etc. when afterall, it was Komen that fired the first shot... No one at PP was talking about how to bring down Komen...
Terry
the best comment I read all day about this was "keep politics out of health care".
I don't understand this quote (from VBs link)
QuoteIn the harshest judgment, the breast-cancer cult serves as an accomplice in global poisoning -- normalizing cancer, prettying it up, even presenting it, perversely, as a positive and enviable experience."
Hopefully, this will be a wake up call for Komen. Lets not put them in the same league as Newt's Superpac, and I hope they've learned to stay out of that territory as well.
Many women have been helped by what they do, and hopefully treatment will continue to improve.
Quote from: twatts likes ghoti on February 03, 2012, 04:43:57 PM
Quote from: runawayjimbo on February 03, 2012, 04:37:16 PM
I am really struggling to understand why people who are supposedly so concerned about women's health think it's appropriate to vilify an organization that has invested $2B for breast cancer research, education, and support programs. Something about forests and trees.
Are you talking about the Right vilifying PP, or the Left's retaliation towards Komen???
I think its high humour that the Right now complains about the Left's reaction, the partisanship, the politication, etc. when afterall, it was Komen that fired the first shot... No one at PP was talking about how to bring down Komen...
Terry
I was referring to the fact that people were (supposedly) vowing never to donate to Komen again and pulling out of the race. As I said earlier, I think the PP "investigation" is complete horseshit as well, but spiting Komen seems pretty counterproductive to me.
Also, I think you may be overstating the impact of a $650,000 grant that covered something like 4% of PP's breast cancer screenings.
Quote from: runawayjimbo on February 03, 2012, 05:02:43 PM
I was referring to the fact that people were (supposedly) vowing never to donate to Komen again and pulling out of the race. As I said earlier, I think the
PP "investigation" is complete horseshit as well, but spiting Komen seems pretty counterproductive to me.
Also, I think you may be overstating the impact of a $650,000 grant that covered something like 4% of PP's breast cancer screenings.
Oh, I thought you were referring to the people that vowed to destroy PP, although it would seem to be pretty counterproductive (at least to me), considering we're only talking about enough money to cover 4% of screenings...
And I didn't state anything about the impact of the money (not sure where you got that???). I honestly think (and have been proven correctly by the flood of donations) that PP will go on unfazed...
Terry
Quote from: twatts likes ghoti on February 03, 2012, 05:14:19 PM
Quote from: runawayjimbo on February 03, 2012, 05:02:43 PM
I was referring to the fact that people were (supposedly) vowing never to donate to Komen again and pulling out of the race. As I said earlier, I think the
PP "investigation" is complete horseshit as well, but spiting Komen seems pretty counterproductive to me.
Also, I think you may be overstating the impact of a $650,000 grant that covered something like 4% of PP's breast cancer screenings.
Oh, I thought you were referring to the people that vowed to destroy PP, although it would seem to be pretty counterproductive (at least to me), considering we're only talking about enough money to cover 4% of screenings...
And I didn't state anything about the impact of the money (not sure where you got that???). I honestly think (and have been proven correctly by the flood of donations) that PP will go on unfazed...
Terry
I assumed when you said "No one at PP was talking about how to bring down Komen" you were implying Komen was intentionally trying to bring down PP by temporarily withholding a relatively insignificant grant (thus the 4% figure). I agree with you
Republicans have been trying to shut down PP, first through trying to defund it last year and now with the trumped up investigation. But I don't think Komen was maliciously trying to destroy PP, especially given there is likely a large intersection of the two constituencies.
My original point was simply that Komen, like PP, has done a lot of good for millions of women and spiting them over their poor handling of the situation is, IMO, pretty fruitless.
Quote from: runawayjimbo on February 03, 2012, 06:05:00 PM
I assumed when you said "No one at PP was talking about how to bring down Komen" you were implying Komen was intentionally trying to bring down PP by temporarily withholding a relatively insignificant grant (thus the 4% figure). I agree with you Republicans have been trying to shut down PP, first through trying to defund it last year and now with the trumped up investigation. But I don't think Komen was maliciously trying to destroy PP, especially given there is likely a large intersection of the two constituencies.
My original point was simply that Komen, like PP, has done a lot of good for millions of women and spiting them over their poor handling of the situation is, IMO, pretty fruitless.
No. I was implying that Handel, who is known for her anti-PP stance and is now VP for Public Policy at K, has an interest in taking down PP. So much so, that others in Leadership roles there resigned in protest to the new policy towards PP.
You are right that the effect of removing K's money from PP does little to reduce the presence of PP, I agree there. But I don't believe this was not malicious. OK, maybe not malicious, but certainly spiteful. I'm not going to try and defend the Public Outrage that ensued, but I certainly don't blame people for what I see as a retaliation to K's intial spiteful act. I think they got what they deserve... YMMV...
Terry
PS I suppose this is all moot now...
Nazis, the whole lot of them.
The outrage at Komen is justified; they've also been gearing up for this for a while: they hired Ari Fleischer (W's old press chief) to advise them on handling the blowback (which turned out to be far stronger than they imagined). They knowingly hired an avowed anti-choice windbag, after all. And they enforced that "nobody under investigation" rule exactly once, against PP, out of 1000s of funding recipients. They made it political, and millions of Americans appreciate what PP does, and now Komen's reaping what they've sown. Unfortunate? Sure, maybe. But they sure as fuck asked for it.
Komen looks to me like a rich lady's hobby--doing good in the most showy, attention-grabbing way. At heart, it's a branding organization. Yes, they raised consciousness about breast cancer. They're also rolling out a promotional pink handgun as the latest addition to their endless tsunami of useless pink plastic swag. I've got no use for that noise.
Quote from: sunrisevt on February 04, 2012, 02:53:58 PM
Komen looks to me like a rich lady's hobby--doing good in the most showy, attention-grabbing way. At heart, it's a branding organization. Yes, they raised consciousness about breast cancer. They're also rolling out a promotional pink handgun as the latest addition to their endless tsunami of useless pink plastic swag. I've got no use for that noise.
I've seen at least one article stating that only 24% of Donations to Komen end up going to actual breast cancer research. They also spend over $1million/year suing other companies for trademark infringement, i.e. people who use pink or "....for the cure" etc without permission.
One time I went to Plan Parenthood and they shoved a q-tip up my wang at a discounted price.
So that was cool.
Quote from: kellerb on February 04, 2012, 05:51:13 PM
Quote from: sunrisevt on February 04, 2012, 02:53:58 PM
Komen looks to me like a rich lady's hobby--doing good in the most showy, attention-grabbing way. At heart, it's a branding organization. Yes, they raised consciousness about breast cancer. They're also rolling out a promotional pink handgun as the latest addition to their endless tsunami of useless pink plastic swag. I've got no use for that noise.
I've seen at least one article stating that only 24% of Donations to Komen end up going to actual breast cancer research. They also spend over $1million/year suing other companies for trademark infringement, i.e. people who use pink or "....for the cure" etc without permission.
That sounds about right. My wife's been complaining about them and their unearned reputation since the late 90s.
Quote from: Hicks on February 04, 2012, 06:21:37 PM
One time I went to Plan Parenthood and they shoved a q-tip up my wang at a discounted price.
So that was cool.
I've had one of those tests; they're not enjoyable. :wtu:
Oh, and.......
Ari Fleischer = King Arrogant Pompous Douchebag the II
Make the world a better place........punch Ari Fleischer in the face.
APNewsBreak: Komen exec quits after funding flap
http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/health/articles/2012/02/07/apnewsbreak_komen_exec_quits_after_funding_flap/?p1=News_links
ATLANTA—A high-ranking official resigned Tuesday from the Susan G. Komen for the Cure breast-cancer charity after a dispute over whether the group should give funding to Planned Parenthood, according to a letter obtained by The Associated Press.
Karen Handel, the charity's vice president for public policy, told Komen officials that she supported the move to cut off funding for Planned Parenthood. She said the discussion started before she arrived at the organization and was approved at the highest levels of the charity.
"I am deeply disappointed by the gross mischaracterizations of the strategy, its rationale, and my involvement in it," Handel said in her letter. "I openly acknowledge my role in the matter and continue to believe our decision was the best one for Komen's future and the women we serve."
Handel said in the letter that the now-abandoned policy was fully vetted by the Komen organization. Its board did not raise any objections when it was presented with the proposed policy in November, Handel said.
Komen Founder and CEO Nancy G. Brinker said she accepted Handel's resignation and wished her well.
"We have made mistakes in how we have handled recent decisions and take full accountability for what has resulted, but we cannot take our eye off the ball when it comes to our mission," Brinker said in a statement. "To do this effectively, we must learn from what we've done right, what we've done wrong and achieve our goal for the millions of women who rely on us."
Officials with Planned Parenthood did not respond to messages seeking comment.
Handel had supported a decision that Komen announced last week to exclude Planned Parenthood, which provides a range of women's health care services including abortions, from future grants for breast-cancer screenings because it was under congressional investigation.
The charity cited a probe backed by anti-abortion groups and launched by Rep. Cliff Stearns, R-Fla., to determine if Planned Parenthood improperly spent public money on abortions. Planned Parenthood says taxpayer money is strictly separated.
The breast cancer charity reversed course after its decision created a three-day firestorm of criticism. Members of Congress and Komen affiliates accused the group's national leadership of bending to pressure from anti-abortion activists. Brinker, denied the decision was driven by pressure from anti-abortion groups.
Until Tuesday, Handel had publicly kept silent about her role in the dispute.
In her letter, she said the controversy surrounding Planned Parenthood was long a concern to Komen officials.
"Neither the decision nor the changes themselves were based on anyone's political beliefs or ideology," Handel said in the letter. Rather, both were based on Komen's mission and how to better serve women, as well as a realization of the need to distance Komen from controversy.
A person with direct knowledge of decision-making at Komen's headquarters in Dallas said the grant-making criteria were adopted with the deliberate intention of targeting Planned Parenthood. The criteria's impact on Planned Parenthood and its status as the focus of government investigations were highlighted in a memo distributed to Komen affiliates in December.
According to the person, who spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of repercussions, a driving force behind the move was Handel, who was hired by Komen last year as vice president for public policy after losing a campaign for governor in Georgia in which she stressed her anti-abortion views and frequently denounced Planned Parenthood.
Brinker, in an interview with MSNBC last week, said Handel didn't have a significant role in the policy change.
Handel, a Republican, ran for Georgia governor in 2010, winning an endorsement from former vice presidential candidate and Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin. Handel then lost a primary runoff to former Georgia Rep. Nathan Deal, who won the general election.
Throughout the campaign, Deal accused Handel of being soft on abortion.
Deal repeatedly attacked Handel over a 2005 vote she took while serving on a metro Atlanta county commission to give more than $400,000 to Planned Parenthood, though not for abortion services. The Georgia affiliate of Planned Parenthood said the money went to a downtown clinic for services such as cervical cancer screenings, testing for sexually transmitted diseases and birth controls.
A longstanding law bans using federal money to pay for abortions except in cases of rape, incest or to protect the health of the mother.