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Title: I just couldn't resist
Post by: antelope19 on November 03, 2006, 08:59:09 AM
You may, or may not support the war.  I am not saying that I do or don't but this was too good.  John Kerry is officially an ASS!!!!!  At least those guys still have a sense of humor about it all. 
Title: Re: I just couldn't resist
Post by: antelope19 on November 03, 2006, 09:00:28 AM
I am sure this'll stir the pot a little today, with elections coming up and all.  But seriously, I didn;t mean this as an attack on anyone, I just thought it was hilarious.   :-D
Title: Re: I just couldn't resist
Post by: gimmetela on November 03, 2006, 09:10:25 AM
I think it's hilarious.  I did canvassing in Asheville before the 2004 elections for the democratic party (I HATE THE BUSH EMPIRE--sorry if that offends.)  Of course, Kerry being the less numb of two numbnuts.  I appreciate that he was trying to "joke" but maybe he should have read the joke as it was written--not wing it.  And to take it a step further how effin funny is this retarded war in IRAQ?  I wish that our generation was just as driven as those weirdos from the 60's...drugs, sex, rock and roll--and a big dash of domestic and foreign policy change.

I'm glad that at least those guys in IRAK have a sense of humor still...I hope they all make it home safely.
Title: Re: I just couldn't resist
Post by: tet on November 03, 2006, 09:14:20 AM
Thought this was hilarious when I spotted this elsewhere last night - Kerry is a douchebag for what he did this week... :samurai:
Title: Re: I just couldn't resist
Post by: sophist on November 03, 2006, 09:50:42 AM
^i saw that on drudge the other day, pretty funny.  I actually heard that group of guys is from Georgia.
Title: Re: I just couldn't resist
Post by: crnl4bn on November 03, 2006, 12:16:44 PM
i think we all know what kerry was insinuating with his remarks...

have we forgotten that kerry has actually served militarily overseas while in vietnam.  bush, due to his father's political clout in D.C., recieved the equivalent of a "legal draft-dodge."

I HIGHLY recommend watching this -> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4147909712727312850&q=bush+family+fortunes

with that said, i am neither a democrat or republican. The Federalist papers show us how political parties are formed and ultimately, that if given a form of government, a populus, and a minute amount of time they are an inevitability. 

Democrat or republican, it doesn't matter, they are two sides of the same coin. Both parties are equally influenced not by their constituency, but by big budget lobbyists, special interest groups, corporate pressure, and self-beneficial actions which further individual careers.  Both parties campaign on platforms that seem ideal and favorable to society at the local, state, and federal level.  Congress, in my eyes, is nothing but theatrics, smoke and mirrors..

Personally, I have found that the libertarian party generally has candidates whose views are parallel with my own.

I saw a pole this morning...
On average, 60% of americans feel that their current elected officials are doing a good job.
This got me thinking...
I wonder what percentage of people from that 60% actually know from day to day how their encumbants are voting on certain issues?  Is this 60% of the population informed enough to logically make up their minds on such an important question? 

By this, I mean...
1) What percentage of the population checks daily to see how their senator or house rep. is voting.
2) What percentage of the population is involved politically with their local government (do they attend city council meetings, do they voice their opinions during these meetings, are they activistic locally)?
3) What percentage of the eligable population is registered to vote?
4) What percentage of the registered population actually vote?

Americans, in general, let personal happiness and a false-sense of security disuade their interest in politics...

Quote from: phan003 on November 03, 2006, 09:50:42 AM
^i saw that on drudge the other day, pretty funny.  I actually heard that group of guys is from Georgia.

they probably are from georgia. Ft. Benning is in GA and its a relatively large base.
Title: Re: I just couldn't resist
Post by: Guyute on November 03, 2006, 02:10:11 PM
John Kerry is such a tool.  The Democratic party told him to go home and stop trying to help.  He is the plagued right now and no one wants him on their side.  He did more to hurt the Dems in 1 statement than anything else during the campaign.
Title: Re: I just couldn't resist
Post by: nab on November 03, 2006, 02:15:04 PM
Who honestly believes that Kerry speaks for the dems anyway?
Title: Re: I just couldn't resist
Post by: susep on November 03, 2006, 02:16:45 PM
Bush and Kerry are cousins; I'm sure Kerry is a member of Bohemian Grove.
Title: Re: I just couldn't resist
Post by: crnl4bn on November 03, 2006, 02:28:00 PM
Quote from: susep73 on November 03, 2006, 02:16:45 PM
Bush and Kerry are cousins; I'm sure Kerry is a member of Bohemian Grove.

they were also frat brothers (Skull & Bones) @ yale...
Title: Re: I just couldn't resist
Post by: Hicks on November 03, 2006, 02:42:41 PM
So he botched a joke, big deal.  Anybody with any brains in their head knows he's a miserable excuse for a leader. 

This whole thing is just being blown out of proportion to distract from the fact that the 109th Congress was one of the worst ever in terms of actual accomplishments. 
Title: Re: I just couldn't resist
Post by: sophist on November 03, 2006, 02:47:04 PM
QuoteI saw a pole this morning...


Americans, in general, let personal happiness and a false-sense of security disuade their interest in politics...

:clap:
I think that the majority of Americans are clueless, they can identify the people from American Idol before their local politican.  It scares me to think that we are heading in this direction. 


Title: Re: I just couldn't resist
Post by: susep on November 03, 2006, 02:48:24 PM
Quote from: ikki on November 03, 2006, 02:42:41 PM
So he botched a joke, big deal.  Anybody with any brains in their head knows he's a miserable excuse for a leader. 

This whole thing is just being blown out of proportion to distract from the fact that the 109th Congress was one of the worst ever in terms of actual accomplishments. 

agreed
Title: Re: I just couldn't resist
Post by: Hicks on November 03, 2006, 02:57:33 PM
And when I say he's a miserable excuse for a leader, I mean Kerry.  I'm no fan of his watered down brand of liberalism.
Title: Re: I just couldn't resist
Post by: susep on November 03, 2006, 03:04:16 PM
Quote from: ikki on November 03, 2006, 02:57:33 PM
And when I say he's a miserable excuse for a leader, I mean Kerry.  I'm no fan of his watered down brand of liberalism.

I'm no fan of this version of reality.  When and where the U.S. jumped off the tracks is to be debated.  The question is when will we turn "it" around?
Title: Re: I just couldn't resist
Post by: Hicks on November 03, 2006, 03:12:44 PM
Quote from: susep73 on November 03, 2006, 03:04:16 PM
Quote from: ikki on November 03, 2006, 02:57:33 PM
And when I say he's a miserable excuse for a leader, I mean Kerry.  I'm no fan of his watered down brand of liberalism.

I'm no fan of this version of reality.  When and where the U.S. jumped off the tracks is to be debated.  The question is when will we turn "it" around?

Agreed, I really do believe a Democratic Congress will at least restore some semblance of checks and balances.  Maybe I'm being totally naive, but you've got to hold out hope that a functional government isn't totally out of reach. 
Title: Re: I just couldn't resist
Post by: sophist on November 03, 2006, 03:13:49 PM
Quote from: ikki on November 03, 2006, 02:57:33 PM
And when I say he's a miserable excuse for a leader, I mean Kerry.  I'm no fan of his watered down brand of liberalism.
so you want someone more liberal?

who would you say is a pure liberal?
Title: Re: I just couldn't resist
Post by: Hicks on November 03, 2006, 03:16:08 PM
Quote from: phan003 on November 03, 2006, 03:13:49 PM
Quote from: ikki on November 03, 2006, 02:57:33 PM
And when I say he's a miserable excuse for a leader, I mean Kerry.  I'm no fan of his watered down brand of liberalism.
so you want someone more liberal?

who would you say is a pure liberal?

I don't claim to know what a "pure liberal" is, but I'll say this:  I would have much preferred to have been voting for Al Gore's re-election than for Kerry in 2004.  I think Al Gore would have been a good if not great president. 
Title: Re: I just couldn't resist
Post by: susep on November 03, 2006, 03:17:52 PM
Quote from: ikki on November 03, 2006, 03:16:08 PM
Quote from: phan003 on November 03, 2006, 03:13:49 PM
Quote from: ikki on November 03, 2006, 02:57:33 PM
And when I say he's a miserable excuse for a leader, I mean Kerry.  I'm no fan of his watered down brand of liberalism.
so you want someone more liberal?

who would you say is a pure liberal?

I don't claim to know what a "pure liberal" is, but I'll say this:  I would have much preferred to have been voting for Al Gore's re-election than for Kerry in 2004.  I think Al Gore would have been a good if not great president. 

certainly better then this prez/admin.
Title: Re: I just couldn't resist
Post by: sophist on November 03, 2006, 03:20:10 PM
 :-o
no Hillary ? 



I'd disagree susep73. 



I wouldn't want kerry in office ever.  I'd rather have bush than kerry any day of the week(even with what we all know now). 
Title: Re: I just couldn't resist
Post by: susep on November 03, 2006, 03:22:18 PM
5 years after 9/11 we haven't found Bin Laden but rather we're entrenched in an oil rich country that's petering on total anarchy because of our occupation.
Title: Re: I just couldn't resist
Post by: susep on November 03, 2006, 03:23:42 PM
Quote from: phan003 on November 03, 2006, 03:20:10 PM
:-o
no Hillary ? 



I'd disagree susep73. 



I wouldn't want kerry in office ever.  I'd rather have bush than kerry any day of the week(even with what we all know now). 

Nader would have been a great president.
Title: Re: I just couldn't resist
Post by: converse29 on November 03, 2006, 03:27:33 PM
Nader is so much smarter then Bush and would have brought(most likely :-D) sanity to this country.
Title: Re: I just couldn't resist
Post by: Hicks on November 03, 2006, 03:27:50 PM
My real problem with Kerry is that he seems to take stands based on electability and not principle.

You'd rather have Bush though?

Do you agree that Bush is one of the worst President's all time?  Bush is causing problems within this country that will take a long time to correct, especially in terms of the worth of our dollar with regards to foreign debt. That's my opinion, so really just about anything would be better. 
Title: Re: I just couldn't resist
Post by: Hicks on November 03, 2006, 03:28:58 PM
Quote from: susep73 on November 03, 2006, 03:23:42 PM
Quote from: phan003 on November 03, 2006, 03:20:10 PM
:-o
no Hillary ? 



I'd disagree susep73. 



I wouldn't want kerry in office ever.  I'd rather have bush than kerry any day of the week(even with what we all know now). 

Nader would have been a great president.

Disagree, Nader was too much of an outsider and wouldn't have been able to work with Dems to accomplish anything. 

Not that it matters, Nader never even got 5% of the national vote.
Title: Re: I just couldn't resist
Post by: sophist on November 03, 2006, 03:30:31 PM
Quote5 years after 9/11 we haven't found Bin Laden but rather we're entrenched in an oil rich country that's petering on total anarchy because of our occupation.

so Kerry or Gore would of found bin laden?
I don't think so......
Kerry would of asked for a Global Coalition and that would of been the end of it.  His obsession with global acceptance is disturbing,  never in the history of our country have we asked for global acceptance.  We didn't seek the acceptance of Europe after Pearl Harbor, we got our shit together and rolled.

Gore would of invaded like Bush did, but it wouldn't of been so soon.

QuoteDo you agree that Bush is one of the worst President's all time?  Bush is causing problems within this country that will take a long time to correct, especially in terms of the worth of our dollar with regards to foreign debt. That's my opinion, so really just about anything would be better.
yes i do.
Title: Re: I just couldn't resist
Post by: converse29 on November 03, 2006, 03:31:14 PM
Nader can communicate with pretty much anybody...so he would have found ways to reach the dems.
Title: Re: I just couldn't resist
Post by: susep on November 03, 2006, 03:32:47 PM
Quote from: ikki on November 03, 2006, 03:28:58 PM
Quote from: susep73 on November 03, 2006, 03:23:42 PM
Quote from: phan003 on November 03, 2006, 03:20:10 PM
:-o
no Hillary ? 



I'd disagree susep73. 



I wouldn't want kerry in office ever.  I'd rather have bush than kerry any day of the week(even with what we all know now). 

Nader would have been a great president.

Disagree, Nader was too much of an outsider and wouldn't have been able to work with Dems to accomplish anything. 

Not that it matters, Nader never even got 5% of the national vote.

I disagree, Nader would have been the perfect shakedown for what this country needs.  His ideas/policies cut through partisan thinking.  
Title: Re: I just couldn't resist
Post by: Hicks on November 03, 2006, 03:33:44 PM
Quote from: phan003 on November 03, 2006, 03:30:31 PM
Quote5 years after 9/11 we haven't found Bin Laden but rather we're entrenched in an oil rich country that's petering on total anarchy because of our occupation.

so Kerry or Gore would of found bin laden?
I don't think so......
Kerry would of asked for a Global Coalition and that would of been the end of it.  His obsession with global acceptance is disturbing,  never in the history of our country have we asked for global acceptance.  We didn't seek the acceptance of Europe after Pearl Harbor, we got our shit together and rolled.

Gore would of invaded like Bush did, but it wouldn't of been so soon.

QuoteDo you agree that Bush is one of the worst President's all time?  Bush is causing problems within this country that will take a long time to correct, especially in terms of the worth of our dollar with regards to foreign debt. That's my opinion, so really just about anything would be better.
yes i do.

Personally I think Gore would have stayed committed in the Afghanistan/ Pakistan region and this MAY have lead to Bin Laden capture.

He certainly wouldn't have gotten involved in an unnecessary and unwinnable conflict in Iraq.

So if you think Bush is one of the worst ever, and you think he would be better than Kerry, then it follows that Kerry would have been the absolute worst ever?  That's a bit of a logical stretch if you axe me. 
Title: Re: I just couldn't resist
Post by: susep on November 03, 2006, 03:35:02 PM
Quote from: phan003 on November 03, 2006, 03:30:31 PM
Quote5 years after 9/11 we haven't found Bin Laden but rather we're entrenched in an oil rich country that's petering on total anarchy because of our occupation.

so Kerry or Gore would of found bin laden?
I don't think so......

Do you think 9/11 would have happened if Bush had not been elected?
Title: Re: I just couldn't resist
Post by: Hicks on November 03, 2006, 03:35:38 PM
Quote from: susep73 on November 03, 2006, 03:32:47 PM
Quote from: ikki on November 03, 2006, 03:28:58 PM
Quote from: susep73 on November 03, 2006, 03:23:42 PM
Quote from: phan003 on November 03, 2006, 03:20:10 PM
:-o
no Hillary ? 



I'd disagree susep73. 



I wouldn't want kerry in office ever.  I'd rather have bush than kerry any day of the week(even with what we all know now). 

Nader would have been a great president.

Disagree, Nader was too much of an outsider and wouldn't have been able to work with Dems to accomplish anything. 

Not that it matters, Nader never even got 5% of the national vote.

I disagree, Nader would have been the perfect shakedown for what this country needs.  His ideas/policies cut through partisan thinking. 

We can agree to disagee, but I think that viewpoint is pretty naive considering the realities of Washington politics. 

Nader is way too detail oriented to be an effective leader, IMO.  90% of the President's job is dealing with abstracts and not the actual nitty gritty of problems.
Title: Re: I just couldn't resist
Post by: sophist on November 03, 2006, 03:36:39 PM
yes. 9/11 was the result of terrorists not the bush white house
Title: Re: I just couldn't resist
Post by: susep on November 03, 2006, 03:40:43 PM
Quote from: ikki on November 03, 2006, 03:35:38 PM
We can agree to disagee, but I think that viewpoint is pretty naive considering the realities of Washington politics. 

Nader is way too detail oriented to be an effective leader, IMO.  90% of the President's job is dealing with abstracts and not the actual nitty gritty of problems.

wrong, being an effective leader is having the ability to simultaneously see large, small and, the unseen.  The presidents job is to execute.  A privledge Bush has abused too much.
Title: Re: I just couldn't resist
Post by: sophist on November 03, 2006, 03:43:24 PM
^agreed
Title: Re: I just couldn't resist
Post by: Hicks on November 03, 2006, 03:44:13 PM
Quote from: phan003 on November 03, 2006, 03:43:24 PM
^agreed

So you think Nader would've been a great President?
Title: Re: I just couldn't resist
Post by: Guyute on November 03, 2006, 04:42:14 PM
Quote from: phan003 on November 03, 2006, 03:20:10 PM
:-o
no Hillary ? 



I'd disagree susep73. 



I wouldn't want kerry in office ever.  I'd rather have bush than kerry any day of the week(even with what we all know now). 

I really believe that Kerry would have been even worse than the sorry execuse that is there now as well.
Title: Re: I just couldn't resist
Post by: Guyute on November 03, 2006, 04:43:26 PM
Quote from: ikki on November 03, 2006, 03:44:13 PM
Quote from: phan003 on November 03, 2006, 03:43:24 PM
^agreed

So you think Nader would've been a great President?

Of what, the alfalfa eating society?  He is such a nutjob.  He doesn't have a grasp of what it takes to lead a nation, only how to point out flaws in what is being done.
Title: Re: I just couldn't resist
Post by: mattstick on November 03, 2006, 05:25:11 PM
November 3, 2006
Op-Ed Columnist
Insulting Our Troops, and Our Intelligence

By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
George Bush, Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld think you're stupid. Yes, they do.

They think they can take a mangled quip about President Bush and Iraq by John Kerry — a man who is not even running for office but who, unlike Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney, never ran away from combat service — and get you to vote against all Democrats in this election.

Every time you hear Mr. Bush or Mr. Cheney lash out against Mr. Kerry, I hope you will say to yourself, "They must think I'm stupid." Because they surely do.

They think that they can get you to overlook all of the Bush team's real and deadly insults to the U.S. military over the past six years by hyping and exaggerating Mr. Kerry's mangled gibe at the president.

What could possibly be more injurious and insulting to the U.S. military than to send it into combat in Iraq without enough men — to launch an invasion of a foreign country not by the Powell Doctrine of overwhelming force, but by the Rumsfeld Doctrine of just enough troops to lose? What could be a bigger insult than that?

What could possibly be more injurious and insulting to our men and women in uniform than sending them off to war without the proper equipment, so that some soldiers in the field were left to buy their own body armor and to retrofit their own jeeps with scrap metal so that roadside bombs in Iraq would only maim them for life and not kill them? And what could be more injurious and insulting than Don Rumsfeld's response to criticism that he sent our troops off in haste and unprepared: Hey, you go to war with the army you've got — get over it.

What could possibly be more injurious and insulting to our men and women in uniform than to send them off to war in Iraq without any coherent postwar plan for political reconstruction there, so that the U.S. military has had to assume not only security responsibilities for all of Iraq but the political rebuilding as well? The Bush team has created a veritable library of military histories — from "Cobra II" to "Fiasco" to "State of Denial" — all of which contain the same damning conclusion offered by the very soldiers and officers who fought this war: This administration never had a plan for the morning after, and we've been making it up — and paying the price — ever since.

And what could possibly be more injurious and insulting to our men and women in Iraq than to send them off to war and then go out and finance the very people they're fighting against with our gluttonous consumption of oil? Sure, George Bush told us we're addicted to oil, but he has not done one single significant thing — demanded higher mileage standards from Detroit, imposed a gasoline tax or even used the bully pulpit of the White House to drive conservation — to end that addiction. So we continue to finance the U.S. military with our tax dollars, while we finance Iran, Syria, Wahhabi mosques and Al Qaeda madrassas with our energy purchases.

Everyone says that Karl Rove is a genius. Yeah, right. So are cigarette companies. They get you to buy cigarettes even though we know they cause cancer. That is the kind of genius Karl Rove is. He is not a man who has designed a strategy to reunite our country around an agenda of renewal for the 21st century — to bring out the best in us. His "genius" is taking some irrelevant aside by John Kerry and twisting it to bring out the worst in us, so you will ignore the mess that the Bush team has visited on this country.

And Karl Rove has succeeded at that in the past because he was sure that he could sell just enough Bush cigarettes, even though people knew they caused cancer. Please, please, for our country's health, prove him wrong this time.

Let Karl know that you're not stupid. Let him know that you know that the most patriotic thing to do in this election is to vote against an administration that has — through sheer incompetence — brought us to a point in Iraq that was not inevitable but is now unwinnable.

Let Karl know that you think this is a critical election, because you know as a citizen that if the Bush team can behave with the level of deadly incompetence it has exhibited in Iraq — and then get away with it by holding on to the House and the Senate — it means our country has become a banana republic. It means our democracy is in tatters because it is so gerrymandered, so polluted by money, and so divided by professional political hacks that we can no longer hold the ruling party to account.

It means we're as stupid as Karl thinks we are.

I, for one, don't think we're that stupid. Next Tuesday we'll see.
Title: Re: I just couldn't resist
Post by: Hicks on November 03, 2006, 06:17:58 PM
Great column by Friedman, but I still find it hard to forgive him for beating the Iraq war drum in 02-03, and I think he may have supported it as recently as 2005.
Title: Re: I just couldn't resist
Post by: August on November 03, 2006, 06:28:44 PM
just want to post once in this thread.
politix aint my thing.

a
Title: Re: I just couldn't resist
Post by: sls.stormyrider on November 03, 2006, 09:15:39 PM
interesting thread.

QuoteGreat column by Friedman, but I still find it hard to forgive him for beating the Iraq war drum in 02-03, and I think he may have supported it as recently as 2005.

great column, and interesting point ikki. I remember even Joel Klein said that Saddam's got to go on the Larry King show in the run up to the war. Of course, he was being fed the same lies by the administration that we all were.

BTW - Stat of Denial is a great read, although get prepared to get very angry ( even angrier than you already are) at the current admin.
Title: Re: I just couldn't resist
Post by: sophist on November 03, 2006, 10:59:39 PM
Quote from: ikki on November 03, 2006, 03:44:13 PM
Quote from: phan003 on November 03, 2006, 03:43:24 PM
^agreed

So you think Nader would've been a great President?
I was agreeing with susep73.  I honestly couldn't tell you if Nader would of been a great president.  He could of gone either way in terms of success or failure.
Title: Re: I just couldn't resist
Post by: sophist on November 03, 2006, 11:03:13 PM
QuoteLet Karl know that you're not stupid. Let him know that you know that the most patriotic thing to do in this election is to vote against an administration that has — through sheer incompetence — brought us to a point in Iraq that was not inevitable but is now unwinnable.

:clap:  :clap:
Title: Re: I just couldn't resist
Post by: cactusfan on November 04, 2006, 12:06:09 AM
that's the best column friedman has ever written.
in the thrilling land of the political blogosphere there's actually a term now that denotes a period of time, six months, a 'friedman.'
based on the number of times over the years the iraq war has dragged on that friedman has written that within six months we'll know if it's time to get out/time to stay/time to have elections/whatever. everything is always six months away for that guy.

as to whether 9/11 would have happend with gore in office, possibly not. the bush admin totally dismantled and distrusted the clinton's anti-terrorism team. bushco didn't even get started on dealing with those issues until the summer-- late summer, post-vacation. with gore acting as a continuation of the previous admin, and not being so painfully blindered to reality as was (is) bushco, it's entirely possible that assessments with titles like 'bin laden determined to strike inside US' (sorry for paraphrase) might have not been summarily dismissed. of course we'll never know...

as for the kerry flap-- what can be said? kerry's always been a dope, he made a dumb joke at the expense of the president but fucked up the wording. and as the repugs see everything slipping away a week before the election, they act as they always act: ignore the issues and attack anyone available. it's desperate and sad.

i think the damage done to our country by this admin cannot yet be fathomed. the justification for, acceptance of, and ultimately legalization of torture may be the most appalling act of violence ever committed against what this unique country used to stand for. truly, it sickens me.
Title: Re: I just couldn't resist
Post by: sls.stormyrider on November 04, 2006, 07:35:26 AM
Obviously, we'll neven know if 9/11 would've happened if Gore was elected, but we do know that Bush didn't really even know who bin Laden was until late that summer. Many didn't know who he was until after 9/11. They were blaming Iraq.

Quotethe bush admin totally dismantled and distrusted the clinton's anti-terrorism team.
yep
We have all heard of the famous security briefing from 8/01 that was ignored. One month before that, 7/01, the CIA was picking up a lot of traffic. Tenet went to meet with Rice and told her he was afraid something was gonna happen-this was like the traffic they were picking up before the millenium. He thought something should be done. She essentially blew  him off (paraphrased from -Woodward, state of denial).

the same people who criticized Clinton for letting this happen were the same people who thought his bombing of Kenya and Afghanistan to go after Bin Laden in response to the USS Cole and embassy incidents  was merely deflecting attention from Monicagate (wag the dog). Obviosusly, Clinton was not making this up-he may have been able to do more if he didn't politically hurt himself with Monica
Title: Re: I just couldn't resist
Post by: susep on November 04, 2006, 08:19:39 AM
Instead of regurgitating old news lets focus on the specifics of 9/11.  I'm convinced that even Ken Starr was an arm of the same beast that manipulated 9/11.  The neo-cons couldn't wait and started playing dirty.
Title: Re: I just couldn't resist
Post by: Hicks on November 04, 2006, 03:08:29 PM
Quote from: cactusfan on November 04, 2006, 12:06:09 AM
i think the damage done to our country by this admin cannot yet be fathomed. the justification for, acceptance of, and ultimately legalization of torture may be the most appalling act of violence ever committed against what this unique country used to stand for. truly, it sickens me.

Well said cactusfan, maybe people will understand just how destructive Bush truly was a few years from now when we are wiping our asses with our worthless dollars, and asking China to protect us from the real threat of North Korea.     :|
Title: Re: I just couldn't resist
Post by: ucusty on November 04, 2006, 06:53:59 PM
politicians suck
Title: Re: I just couldn't resist
Post by: crnl4bn on November 04, 2006, 08:26:42 PM


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