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Title: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Undermind on December 30, 2010, 11:44:03 PM
Phish
12/30/2010
Madison Square Garden
New York, NY



Set I:
Cities, Chalk Dust Torture, Gumbo, Quinn the Eskimo, Halley's Comet> Camel Walk, Maze, Driver, Bathtub Gin@, Fat Man in the Bathtub, Timber (Jerry), Golgi Apparatus, Character Zero



Set II:
Tweezer> Light> Theme From the Bottom> My Friend My Friend, Axilla, Fluffhead, Boogie on Reggae Woman> 2001, Suzy Greenberg


E:
Run Like an Antelope, Tweezer Reprise


@ First Bathtub Gin at MSG
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: mbw on December 30, 2010, 11:46:21 PM
never done heard a bad note.  good shite!
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: nab on December 30, 2010, 11:46:26 PM
The bowing and extended endings.......
























































































humor
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: zimbra on December 30, 2010, 11:47:04 PM
I liked that show a lot.  Trey sounded great and fishman during the first set as well.  See you guys tomorrow, i'm going to play pool and get fucking hammered!
:clap:
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Revi
Post by: Buffalo Budd on December 30, 2010, 11:47:13 PM
G'night folks, was a slice.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: mbw on December 30, 2010, 11:48:14 PM
the PPV was too cool.

oh, and .....phish bows.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: phillyphan on December 30, 2010, 11:49:06 PM
Sick, SICK show!!!!!! :-o
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Undermind on December 30, 2010, 11:49:17 PM
from Aug:

Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: ytowndan on December 30, 2010, 11:49:20 PM
I think I'll listen to this one again.  :-D
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: mehead on December 30, 2010, 11:49:41 PM
look forward to listening to the first set as I missed most of it...looks solid on paper
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: mbw on December 30, 2010, 11:50:55 PM
oh, and......no gamehenge yet....
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: nab on December 30, 2010, 11:50:58 PM
Quote from: Undermind on December 30, 2010, 11:49:17 PM
from Aug:


Nice shot
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: blatboom on December 30, 2010, 11:52:11 PM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on December 30, 2010, 11:50:55 PM
oh, and......no gamehenge yet....
It's happening.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: gainesvillegreen on December 30, 2010, 11:52:12 PM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on December 30, 2010, 11:50:55 PM
oh, and......no gamehenge yet....

Love ya chi-town, but let's not even go in that direction.

Looks like a good show, only Driver and possibly Theme as slows songs. How was the Theme > My Friend? Did they nail it? Has that ever been paired before?
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: nab on December 30, 2010, 11:53:05 PM
Quote from: gainesvillegreen on December 30, 2010, 11:52:12 PM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on December 30, 2010, 11:50:55 PM
oh, and......no gamehenge yet....

Love ya chi-town, but let's not even go in that direction.

Looks like a good show, only Driver and possibly Theme as slows songs. How was the Theme > My Friend? Did they nail it? Has that ever been paired before?

That was nailed from my windowpane
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: mehead on December 30, 2010, 11:53:26 PM
Quote from: blatboom on December 30, 2010, 11:52:11 PM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on December 30, 2010, 11:50:55 PM
oh, and......no gamehenge yet....
It's happening.

ssshhhhhhhhh












































pass it on
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: ytowndan on December 30, 2010, 11:55:12 PM
Quote from: nab on December 30, 2010, 11:53:05 PM
Quote from: gainesvillegreen on December 30, 2010, 11:52:12 PM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on December 30, 2010, 11:50:55 PM
oh, and......no gamehenge yet....

Love ya chi-town, but let's not even go in that direction.

Looks like a good show, only Driver and possibly Theme as slows songs. How was the Theme > My Friend? Did they nail it? Has that ever been paired before?

That was nailed from my windowpane

Yep.  It definitely did not make me cringe.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Poster Nutbag on December 30, 2010, 11:55:19 PM
Quote from: blatboom on December 30, 2010, 11:52:11 PM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on December 30, 2010, 11:50:55 PM
oh, and......no gamehenge yet....
It's happening.

on 1/1/11... really just doesn't seem hard core enough, but we shall see... Considering that I am already disappointed with my choice of hitting the AC Halloween run instead of waiting it out to catch this run, the odds of it happening went up a few notches...
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: mbw on December 30, 2010, 11:59:56 PM
Quote from: Poster Nutbag on December 30, 2010, 11:55:19 PM
Quote from: blatboom on December 30, 2010, 11:52:11 PM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on December 30, 2010, 11:50:55 PM
oh, and......no gamehenge yet....
It's happening.

on 1/1/11... really just doesn't seem hard core enough

what would be harder core brah?
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: blatboom on December 31, 2010, 12:01:04 AM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on December 30, 2010, 11:59:56 PM
Quote from: Poster Nutbag on December 30, 2010, 11:55:19 PM
Quote from: blatboom on December 30, 2010, 11:52:11 PM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on December 30, 2010, 11:50:55 PM
oh, and......no gamehenge yet....
It's happening.

on 1/1/11... really just doesn't seem hard core enough

what would harder core brah?

NYE.  but they're saving it for 1/1.  who's fucking idea was that anyway??
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Superfreakie on December 31, 2010, 12:02:35 AM
Quote from: blatboom on December 31, 2010, 12:01:04 AM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on December 30, 2010, 11:59:56 PM
Quote from: Poster Nutbag on December 30, 2010, 11:55:19 PM
Quote from: blatboom on December 30, 2010, 11:52:11 PM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on December 30, 2010, 11:50:55 PM
oh, and......no gamehenge yet....
It's happening.

on 1/1/11... really just doesn't seem hard core enough

what would harder core brah?

NYE.  but they're saving it for 1/1.  who's fucking idea was that anyway??

Trey's
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Poster Nutbag on December 31, 2010, 12:02:49 AM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on December 30, 2010, 11:59:56 PM
Quote from: Poster Nutbag on December 30, 2010, 11:55:19 PM
Quote from: blatboom on December 30, 2010, 11:52:11 PM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on December 30, 2010, 11:50:55 PM
oh, and......no gamehenge yet....
It's happening.

on 1/1/11... really just doesn't seem hard core enough

what would harder core brah?

This is true, unless it was unplanned at some show that was nasty as hell to get too... The day is a good choice, as good as any, if not better...
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: gainesvillegreen on December 31, 2010, 12:02:50 AM
Quote from: blatboom on December 31, 2010, 12:01:04 AM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on December 30, 2010, 11:59:56 PM
Quote from: Poster Nutbag on December 30, 2010, 11:55:19 PM
Quote from: blatboom on December 30, 2010, 11:52:11 PM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on December 30, 2010, 11:50:55 PM
oh, and......no gamehenge yet....
It's happening.

on 1/1/11... really just doesn't seem hard core enough

what would harder core brah?

NYE.  but they're saving it for 1/1.  who's fucking idea was that anyway??

Not Wilson's, so I doubt he's going to show  :-)

Was the LP stream really good? I tried seeing the encore presentation but to no avail. Worth the money?
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Superfreakie on December 31, 2010, 12:03:46 AM
Quote from: gainesvillegreen on December 31, 2010, 12:02:50 AM
Quote from: blatboom on December 31, 2010, 12:01:04 AM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on December 30, 2010, 11:59:56 PM
Quote from: Poster Nutbag on December 30, 2010, 11:55:19 PM
Quote from: blatboom on December 30, 2010, 11:52:11 PM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on December 30, 2010, 11:50:55 PM
oh, and......no gamehenge yet....
It's happening.

on 1/1/11... really just doesn't seem hard core enough

what would harder core brah?

NYE.  but they're saving it for 1/1.  who's fucking idea was that anyway??

Not Wilson's, so I doubt he's going to show  :-)

Was the LP stream really good? I tried seeing the encore presentation but to no avail. Worth the money?

stream is gold
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: mbw on December 31, 2010, 12:04:07 AM
Quote from: blatboom on December 31, 2010, 12:01:04 AM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on December 30, 2010, 11:59:56 PM
Quote from: Poster Nutbag on December 30, 2010, 11:55:19 PM
Quote from: blatboom on December 30, 2010, 11:52:11 PM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on December 30, 2010, 11:50:55 PM
oh, and......no gamehenge yet....
It's happening.

on 1/1/11... really just doesn't seem hard core enough

what would harder core brah?

NYE.  but they're saving it for 1/1.  who's fucking idea was that anyway??

oh, i thought he meant like, 06/something/something....or another cool date that only comes along once in a lifetime which they have never played before....
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: gainesvillegreen on December 31, 2010, 12:05:27 AM
Quote from: Superfreakie on December 31, 2010, 12:03:46 AM
Quote from: gainesvillegreen on December 31, 2010, 12:02:50 AM
Quote from: blatboom on December 31, 2010, 12:01:04 AM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on December 30, 2010, 11:59:56 PM
Quote from: Poster Nutbag on December 30, 2010, 11:55:19 PM
Quote from: blatboom on December 30, 2010, 11:52:11 PM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on December 30, 2010, 11:50:55 PM
oh, and......no gamehenge yet....
It's happening.

on 1/1/11... really just doesn't seem hard core enough

what would harder core brah?

NYE.  but they're saving it for 1/1.  who's fucking idea was that anyway??

Not Wilson's, so I doubt he's going to show  :-)

Was the LP stream really good? I tried seeing the encore presentation but to no avail. Worth the money?

stream is gold

Good to hear. I may spring for this on Sunday night.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: G. Augusto on December 31, 2010, 12:05:58 AM
Fun show!
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: mbw on December 31, 2010, 12:07:54 AM
Quote from: G. Augusto on December 31, 2010, 12:05:58 AM
Fun show!

b00m, haterz!
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: twatts on December 31, 2010, 12:08:30 AM
(http://www.lanceta.es/jimi-hendrix/cover/band_of_gypsys_1997_domestic.jpg) = 1/1/11
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: blatboom on December 31, 2010, 12:11:05 AM
I don't get the doubters.  I mean it definitely could not go down like that... but when none of the songs have been played with only 2 shows to go, how can you completely rule it out?  it all seems so clear
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: mehead on December 31, 2010, 12:11:13 AM
Quote from: G. Augusto on December 31, 2010, 12:05:58 AM
Fun show!

:beers:
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: gainesvillegreen on December 31, 2010, 12:22:13 AM
Quote from: blatboom on December 31, 2010, 12:11:05 AM
I don't get the doubters.  I mean it definitely could not go down like that... but when none of the songs have been played with only 2 shows to go, how can you completely rule it out?  it all seems so clear

They haven't played anything off of Undermind either. Should I not rule out a complete performance of that album on 1/1/11?

I'll be the FIRST to throw a pie in my own face if it goes down, but I'm not running to the store to buy one at the moment.  :wink:
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: ytowndan on December 31, 2010, 12:22:16 AM
Quote from: blatboom on December 31, 2010, 12:11:05 AM
I don't get the doubters.  I mean it definitely could not go down like that... but when none of the songs have been played with only 2 shows to go, how can you completely rule it out?  it all seems so clear

I dig your optimism, and I too am hoping for it, but let's get through tomorrow's three sets with none of the tunes.  Then I'll possibly hold my breath. 
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: PIE-GUY on December 31, 2010, 01:07:21 AM
fun show. that is all. If you missed it, I am sorry for you. I enjoyed it.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Caravan2001 on December 31, 2010, 01:21:15 AM
Quote from: PIE-GUY on December 31, 2010, 01:07:21 AM
fun show. that is all. If you missed it, I am sorry for you. I enjoyed it.

Thanks for the sympathy pie guy, I'm sorry for me too  :|
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: aphineday on December 31, 2010, 01:42:06 AM
Shit was great. Loved the stream, loved the LST. I'm drunk, and ready to re-listen to this! PHISH!
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Multibeast12 on December 31, 2010, 02:04:03 AM
18 minute Tweezer has got me really pumped to Listen.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: justjezmund on December 31, 2010, 03:02:07 AM
Quote from: G. Augusto on December 31, 2010, 12:05:58 AM
Fun show!

yeah that.  Back home now to work at nine at do it all over again.  HOLLA!!
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: zimbra on December 31, 2010, 03:10:03 AM
Quote from: Multibeast12 on December 31, 2010, 02:04:03 AM
18 minute Tweezer has got me really pumped to Listen.

I loved it during the stream, can't wait to re-listen!
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: redrum on December 31, 2010, 03:31:32 AM
Quote from: G. Augusto on December 31, 2010, 12:05:58 AM
Fun show!

fully.

met up with wtu, sophist, pie, aug, & his bro & saw just jez in the hall for a quik minute.

<<--conductor'd  :smoke:

2nd set was tight.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: G. Augusto on December 31, 2010, 05:31:36 AM
Quote from: JustJezmund on December 31, 2010, 03:02:07 AM
Quote from: G. Augusto on December 31, 2010, 12:05:58 AM
Fun show!

yeah that.  Back home now to work at nine at do it all over again.  HOLLA!!

Yep.
Got work at 6.
Maybe I'll nap later...
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: WhatstheUse? on December 31, 2010, 06:05:10 AM
Best band Eva!
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: mistercharlie on December 31, 2010, 07:58:13 AM
Looks like it was a good show. I had to take a miss on the PPV because I have the flu and used Nyquill to hibernate from the time I got off work yesterday until just a few minutes ago. 18 hours of 'sleep', and I still feel like shit.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: rowjimmy on December 31, 2010, 08:35:20 AM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on December 31, 2010, 12:07:54 AM
Quote from: G. Augusto on December 31, 2010, 12:05:58 AM
Fun show!

b00m, haterz!

Haven't seen any hate for this show in here or the LST.


/just sayin'
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Buffalo Budd on December 31, 2010, 08:39:59 AM
Quote from: G. Augusto on December 31, 2010, 05:31:36 AM
Quote from: JustJezmund on December 31, 2010, 03:02:07 AM
Quote from: G. Augusto on December 31, 2010, 12:05:58 AM
Fun show!

yeah that.  Back home now to work at nine at do it all over again.  HOLLA!!

Yep.
Got work at 6.
Maybe I'll nap later...
Work at 6  :-o
Nice job Aug, you're a trooper.
Nice to hear everyone had a good time, seems like a fun show with a bit of everything.  All this talk about the live stream, I'm gonna have to shell out for the 1/1/11 show.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: mistercharlie on December 31, 2010, 08:40:51 AM
Quote from: rowjimmy on December 31, 2010, 08:35:20 AM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on December 31, 2010, 12:07:54 AM
Quote from: G. Augusto on December 31, 2010, 12:05:58 AM
Fun show!

b00m, haterz!

Haven't seen any hate for this show in here or the LST.


/just sayin'

I hate this show because I missed it.  :roll:
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Undermind on December 31, 2010, 08:47:37 AM
Quote from: zimbra on December 31, 2010, 03:10:03 AM
Quote from: Multibeast12 on December 31, 2010, 02:04:03 AM
18 minute Tweezer has got me really pumped to Listen.

I loved it during the stream, can't wait to re-listen!

same here.  Page was nasty during this too.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: qop24 on December 31, 2010, 09:07:08 AM
Very much approved of the show, as well as the quality of the stream, totally worth it imo, also liked watching it before the show started when people were filling the place up. I'm a fan of the bathtub gin, tweezer, antelope, and I'm glad they played some Little Feat again!
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Hicks on December 31, 2010, 11:01:05 AM
Ha me and Caravan estimated that Tweezer at about 12 minutes, probably because we were eating during the beginning though. . .  most definitely the show highlight.

I hate to burst bubbles but Trey botched the ascending riff in Theme as usual.

Fluffhead was about 99% nailed though.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: PIE-GUY on December 31, 2010, 11:07:56 AM
Quote from: rowjimmy on December 31, 2010, 08:35:20 AM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on December 31, 2010, 12:07:54 AM
Quote from: G. Augusto on December 31, 2010, 12:05:58 AM
Fun show!

b00m, haterz!

Haven't seen any hate for this show in here or the LST.


/just sayin'

we ran into Thatfargone on the streets of Manhattan post-show last night and he was already hatin' like a hater-McHates-a-lot.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: thatfargone on December 31, 2010, 11:10:52 AM
Quote from: rowjimmy on December 31, 2010, 08:35:20 AM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on December 31, 2010, 12:07:54 AM
Quote from: G. Augusto on December 31, 2010, 12:05:58 AM
Fun show!

b00m, haterz!

Haven't seen any hate for this show in here or the LST.


/just sayin'

You rang?

Seriously I was not too fond of this show.  Not because it was bad, but because it was the night I finally got 3.0

Phish played.

I had fun.

FUCK! is that all there is left??? :cry:
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: redrum on December 31, 2010, 11:15:36 AM
 :roll:
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Buffalo Budd on December 31, 2010, 11:16:29 AM
 :roll:
^^^Not sure what you expect.  How many shows have you seen this year?  You'd think you would have figured it out by now.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: thatfargone on December 31, 2010, 11:47:23 AM
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on December 31, 2010, 11:16:29 AM
:roll:
^^^Not sure what you expect.  How many shows have you seen this year?  You'd think you would have figured it out by now.

At this point, way more than most of you guys.  :|


Sorry I don't fluff everything.  What are you and Red rolling your eyes at exactly?
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: tet on December 31, 2010, 11:51:03 AM
Amazing show!!  Pics to come (had SICKEST seats I've had in a loooooong time), but unfortunately none of my brief run-in with JustJezmund - great to see you!! #1fail=  :frustrated:
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: mattstick on December 31, 2010, 12:22:18 PM

I won't fluff this show - it was good, not great.

Phish is a good band, they play good shows, but let's not pour unnecessary praise on a show that had a few highlights and a lot of average stuff.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: danje on December 31, 2010, 12:25:09 PM
I really liked this show. The Maze peaked really hard. The Tweezer went deep finally, but you tell Trey was having trouble keeping up. Light was terrible - hurt my ears. Great fucking encore.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Hicks on December 31, 2010, 12:25:10 PM
Quote from: mattstick on December 31, 2010, 12:22:18 PM

I won't fluff this show - it was good, not great.

Phish is a good band, they play good shows, but let's not pour unnecessary praise on a show that had a few highlights and a lot of average stuff.

Truth. 
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: mattstick on December 31, 2010, 12:28:56 PM

Antelope was terrible.  Trey going through the motions, I don't think he nailed one section.

Page just destroyed 2001.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: aphineday on December 31, 2010, 12:31:36 PM
Quote from: mattstick on December 31, 2010, 12:22:18 PM

I won't fluff this show - it was good, not great.

Phish is a good band, they play good shows, but let's not pour unnecessary praise on a show that had a few highlights and a lot of average stuff.
This is mostly true, but I would add that PHISH IS PLAYING SHOWS. Although they may not be what everyone deems the best shows ever, some people may in fact feel that they are getting there again, and that's okay too! I think we miss the fact that people who attended (or heard a great stream) might fluff a little bit more because it's so fresh. I mean I know we talk about the bias of the "I was at that show" mentality, but I think it's hard for anyone to listen critically until ALL of that fluff is out of your mind. Being completely honest: at this specific moment, I am completely enthralled by the Hood and Stash from 12.28. Will this change? Probably, but for now I'm glad I can find happiness with where this band is. Again, I'm pretty much agreeing with you Matt, but trying to perceive from all angles as well. /end soapbox
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: redrum on December 31, 2010, 12:37:33 PM
Quote from: Hicks on December 31, 2010, 12:25:10 PM
Quote from: mattstick on December 31, 2010, 12:22:18 PM

I won't fluff this show - it was good, not great.

Phish is a good band, they play good shows, but let's not pour unnecessary praise on a show that had a few highlights and a lot of average stuff.

Truth.

band/crowd had more energy 2nd set then i've seen in a while.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Superfreakie on December 31, 2010, 12:50:08 PM
Quote from: danje on December 31, 2010, 12:25:09 PM
The Tweezer went deep finally, but you tell Trey was having trouble keeping up. Light was terrible - hurt my ears.

While I have not listened to the first set yet, Trey had trouble keeping up the entire second set. Go back and watch the Tweezer, there were periods where he simply stopped playing because he had no clue what to play. His playing/chops were much stronger this fall tour. And with the video stream, we were able to see up close the sheepish grins he was giving his band mates when he would screw up, what a joke. I must then question the preparation that went into this run. Is it possible, as some have suggested, that he is ill right now? The Theme was ugly and disjointed. Period. And he spent the majority of the Tweezer lost and out of sync, especially with Fishman. The Light was beyond horrendous, it did absolutely nothing and went nowhere. Thankfully, there were some musical highlights in the second set, courteously brought to you by Mr Keyboard Player (see:2001, Suzy). However, to say they are "getting there again", in my opinion, pisses on a large body of their work in which they did get there. Is it still the greatest party on earth? Absolutely. Would I want to be anywhere else but at a Phish show? No. Will I be watching the webcast tonight? Fuck yeah! But if you are looking for musical creativity in the way of jamming coming from four all star musicians, last night was a BIG fucking fail.   
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Superfreakie on December 31, 2010, 12:56:30 PM
^^^
and to add some support to my argument, Mr. Miner, the fluffer of all fluffer panned last night's show. That should say something. Here:

http://phishthoughts.com/ (http://phishthoughts.com/)
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Hicks on December 31, 2010, 12:57:21 PM
I mean really anyone who thought the Theme was anywhere close to nailed just wasn't listening to the music.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Buffalo Budd on December 31, 2010, 01:01:46 PM
Quote from: thatfargone on December 31, 2010, 11:47:23 AM
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on December 31, 2010, 11:16:29 AM
:roll:
^^^Not sure what you expect.  How many shows have you seen this year?  You'd think you would have figured it out by now.

At this point, way more than most of you guys.  :|


Sorry I don't fluff everything.  What are you and Red rolling your eyes at exactly?
I've only listened to the 1st set (as well as the sharty stream for 2nd set last night) and absolutely loved it as much or more than any 3.0 show.  I was making a point by asking how many shows you've seen this year because I know you've seen more than anyone on the boards (save possibly RR).  The point I was trying to make was if you know they're not going to pull off a 90's calibre show (which everyone knows) then what are you comparing it to.  Because it definitely one-upped anything on the 'ween run IMO.  If I was there, I would have been pumped to see that show, I thought it was well played and touched on alot of components I look for at a Phish show.  Mind you I have yet to listen to the Tweezer in it's entirety so I'll get back to you on that.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Multibeast12 on December 31, 2010, 01:09:08 PM
That Theme ending was terrible. Like really really bad. But is the PPV stream, is that for only the show and then after you can't watch it anymore?
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: sophist on December 31, 2010, 01:16:55 PM
I dug last night.  I had a great time raging with George, Scott, Chris, and Dave.  Crazy fucking night in the city.  Full review and story once I remember how to function again. 

We're at Hotel Pennsylvania getting ready to begin our pre-show rage.


Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: WhatstheUse? on December 31, 2010, 01:19:45 PM
Last night was some of the wildest crowd energy I've ever experienced.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: McGrupp on December 31, 2010, 01:20:26 PM
Werd to last night.

thatfargone - you're nuts, bro  :wink:

can't wait to get back in there tonight - such a treat to see phish play in that room. what a glorious place.

catch ya later!
-fleethound
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Buffalo Budd on December 31, 2010, 01:33:49 PM
Glad you dudes had a good time, I need to see a show with you guys, sounds like you know how to have fun.  Eagerly anticipates a full review from Sophist.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: roggae on December 31, 2010, 01:34:33 PM
Quote from: thatfargone on December 31, 2010, 11:47:23 AM
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on December 31, 2010, 11:16:29 AM
:roll:
^^^Not sure what you expect.  How many shows have you seen this year?  You'd think you would have figured it out by now.

At this point, way more than most of you guys.  :|


Sorry I don't fluff everything.  What are you and Red rolling your eyes at exactly?

Does it ever get boring posting how much you dislike Phish now?  I mean they are what they are. Maybe I the jerk for liking them. I mean it's not the same thing as fall 1997 but I'm not 22 years old anymore either nor do I wear ill fitting clothes and carry a jar of drugs around with me.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Buffalo Budd on December 31, 2010, 01:38:37 PM
Quote from: roggae on December 31, 2010, 01:34:33 PM
I mean it's not the same thing as fall 1997 but I'm not 22 years old anymore either nor do I wear ill fitting clothes and carry a jar of drugs around with me.
That was the exact point I was trying to get across.  Thank you for expressing myself.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: G. Augusto on December 31, 2010, 01:46:46 PM
Show was a blast with great MSG energy.
Brought my buddy who hadn't seen a show since MSG '94.
Sixteen years to the day!
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: G. Augusto on December 31, 2010, 01:47:50 PM
Oh yeah....you cAn hear say Jennifer Dances right before Tweezer.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: gainesvillegreen on December 31, 2010, 01:56:28 PM
Quote from: G. Augusto on December 31, 2010, 01:47:50 PM
Oh yeah....you cAn hear say Jennifer Dances right before Tweezer.

Yes, you can! Made me lulz.

Like the Chalkdust and Gumbo. Listened to the second set and like moments in the Tweezer, thought the MFMF was well done. I like how they are melting into the next song (theme to mfmf, boogie into 2001), reminds of days of old. Sure, I'd like segues, but it is cool nonetheless. There are definitely some low moments too, but I think it is an improvement over the Worcester shows. Looking forward to seeing what tonight brings.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: ytowndan on December 31, 2010, 02:12:32 PM
Quote from: G. Augusto on December 31, 2010, 01:47:50 PM
Oh yeah....you cAn hear say Jennifer Dances right before Tweezer.

That was funny.

I can't wait until TTE becomes a "joke" to Trey as well.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Buffalo Budd on December 31, 2010, 02:16:50 PM
Quote from: G. Augusto on December 31, 2010, 01:46:46 PM
Show was a blast with great MSG energy.
Brought my buddy who hadn't seen a show since MSG '94.
Sixteen years to the day!
I'd love to hear his review, that's quite the gap.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: zimbra on December 31, 2010, 03:20:26 PM
I thought Trey was lacking in the Tweezer a bit, Page played great in the Also Sprach Zarathustra, and I loved Jon's playing throughout the whole night.  I got into the stream right at the intro to Bathtub, had fun during it as well. 

And to everybody saying Trey botched Theme, isn't this expected by now?

/just sayin'
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: rowjimmy on December 31, 2010, 03:30:40 PM
This was my first show listened to in a month and a half.

It didn't suck.

Seriously, though, it's a pretty standard decent 3.0 show (as opposed to a standard sucky 3.0 show. You decide which are which.) Page stood out as mvp. His work in 2001 was particularly noticed by myself while driving today. The Tweezer won;t get any superlatives other than my suspicion that it was probably a lot of fun for dancing at the show. It's neither bad nor great though one informant suggested that it was "Good for lsd." Maybe he just likes drugs.

So yeah.

That is all.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Caravan2001 on December 31, 2010, 03:36:30 PM
After 3 listens to this show, I have to say it is good.  I love the Tweezer.  The whole first set is solid, fat Man in the bathtub is hot and so is Maze and the Gin.  Not a mind blowing show, but pretty freaking awesome.  A lot of peeps that were there were saying it was the show of the year.  I disagree, but think it is a great show nonetheless...I would have been dancing my ass off for sure....
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: sls.stormyrider on December 31, 2010, 04:13:28 PM
listening now
strong 3.0 show.

lots of good posts in this thread.

For me I'm training myself to just enjoy them for what they are. The way  the band is playing now, listening with a critical ear just takes away enjoyment. There are very few, if any, 3.0 shows I'll be going back to in the same way I go back to 1.0 shows.

Bottom line:  :phish: = fun
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Caravan2001 on December 31, 2010, 04:20:58 PM
Quote from: slslbs on December 31, 2010, 04:13:28 PM
listening now
strong 3.0 show.

lots of good posts in this thread.

For me I'm training myself to just enjoy them for what they are. The way  the band is playing now, listening with a critical ear just takes away enjoyment. There are very few, if any, 3.0 shows I'll be going back to in the same way I go back to 1.0 shows.

Bottom line:  :phish: = fun

This...
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Superfreakie on December 31, 2010, 05:04:08 PM
Quote from: Caravan2001 on December 31, 2010, 03:36:30 PM
A lot of peeps that were there were saying it was the show of the year.

Ridiculous, but that's what the dr00gs and being there will do to one's judgment. Off the top of my head, I can think of nearly 10 shows this past year that beat it like a rented mule.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Caravan2001 on December 31, 2010, 05:20:50 PM
Quote from: Superfreakie on December 31, 2010, 05:04:08 PM
Quote from: Caravan2001 on December 31, 2010, 03:36:30 PM
A lot of peeps that were there were saying it was the show of the year.

Ridiculous, but that's what the dr00gs and being there will do to one's judgment. Off the top of my head, I can think of nearly 10 shows this past year that beat it like a rented mule.

Maybe, but I disagree (respectfully) with you on the Tweezer....I just watched it again on the stream rip, and I think Trey is contributing....He seems to me like he is listening and try to interject some color, rather than straight wailing over the jam...For sure, he is not shredding, but I think the whole band is really hooking up during that Tweezer rather than it being the "trey" show....I'm not saying this the best Tweezer ever, but I'll take it, especially compared to a lot of the 8 minute Tweezers from the summer......just my 2 cents...But enough about yesterday, that's old news!  Tonight is going to PWN!!!!!
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: susep on December 31, 2010, 05:36:30 PM
Quote from: slslbs on December 31, 2010, 04:13:28 PM
For me I'm training myself to just enjoy them for what they are.

me as well, not always easy but I'm trying.  haven't listened to a note of last night, looking forward to tonight!
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: blatboom on December 31, 2010, 06:09:51 PM
loved the Tweezer.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: zimbra on December 31, 2010, 06:12:23 PM
Quote from: Caravan2001 on December 31, 2010, 05:20:50 PM
Quote from: Superfreakie on December 31, 2010, 05:04:08 PM
Quote from: Caravan2001 on December 31, 2010, 03:36:30 PM
A lot of peeps that were there were saying it was the show of the year.

Ridiculous, but that's what the dr00gs and being there will do to one's judgment. Off the top of my head, I can think of nearly 10 shows this past year that beat it like a rented mule.

Maybe, but I disagree (respectfully) with you on the Tweezer....I just watched it again on the stream rip, and I think Trey is contributing....He seems to me like he is listening and try to interject some color, rather than straight wailing over the jam...For sure, he is not shredding, but I think the whole band is really hooking up during that Tweezer rather than it being the "trey" show....I'm not saying this the best Tweezer ever, but I'll take it, especially compared to a lot of the 8 minute Tweezers from the summer......just my 2 cents...But enough about yesterday, that's old news!  Tonight is going to PWN!!!!!

12/31/1995!!
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Poster Nutbag on January 02, 2011, 04:46:25 PM
Quote from: Caravan2001 on December 31, 2010, 03:36:30 PM
After 3 listens to this show, I have to say it is good.  I love the Tweezer.  The whole first set is solid, fat Man in the bathtub is hot and so is Maze and the Gin.  Not a mind blowing show, but pretty freaking awesome.  A lot of peeps that were there were saying it was the show of the year.  I disagree, but think it is a great show nonetheless...I would have been dancing my ass off for sure....

All of this totally!! This show was an energy rager, so much just really get funky ass down too... and would also like to mention that Trey was in the zone with the lyrics to My Friend My Friend, and it just heightened the effects of that song really nicely... 
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: susep on January 02, 2011, 05:40:08 PM
loving this Timber. :music:
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: thatfargone on January 03, 2011, 12:35:52 PM
Quote from: Caravan2001 on December 31, 2010, 04:20:58 PM
Quote from: slslbs on December 31, 2010, 04:13:28 PM
listening now
strong 3.0 show.

lots of good posts in this thread.

For me I'm training myself to just enjoy them for what they are. The way  the band is playing now, listening with a critical ear just takes away enjoyment. There are very few, if any, 3.0 shows I'll be going back to in the same way I go back to 1.0 shows.

Bottom line:  :phish: = fun

This...

...is EXACTLY the problem with this band right now.  At this point after seeing 30+ 3.0 shows and doing all the traveling, all I know is that this band is happy playing and the audience is just as happy to listen.  Which is the whole problem.  Its not that this band can't jam anymore, it because there is no expectation from the crowd.  In the 90's we went to a show and expected greatness every single night, that expectation has been replaced with , "they played, I had fun"  That is why the band doesn't jam IMO....no one fucking listens anymore....we applaud mistakes, dance to crap and ignore every single problem with ourselves and this band when in attendance.  We get drunk as hell, dose and eat molly like its fucking food and are happy to just be there.  And when they play like crap, we have a great time.  Then if you try to get into a critical debate about the music you offend someone or they tell you to not expect anything anymore.

This show was OK, they tried to do something with the Tweezer and it may have worked on some diminished level of what they were once capable of but then as they started up Light with every intention to going further, the audience died, and all their energy seemed spent on hating on 3.0 and the new songs and no one even seemed to know that Light has proven to be a great jumping off point and we ended up with one of the least interesting and shortest 3.0 Lights yet....and RIGHT back into the RAWK.

Why doesn't the band jam on a night to night basis?  Because no one listens or is just too fucked up to notice how bad it is.  Why should the band put any effort into difficult group improvisation when the majority of the crowd walks away remembering how awesome Character Zero and Tweezer Reprise was.  They don't jam because no responds to it.  At this point it really only seems (with a few exceptions) that the crowd only responds to the band playing louder and harder.  Why all the rock peak jamming???...because that's all that is expected and thats all that is responded to.

So yeah, I expect more.  Sorry this band used to be fucking awesome for that exact reason.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Superfreakie on January 03, 2011, 12:43:41 PM
Quote from: thatfargone on January 03, 2011, 12:35:52 PM
...is EXACTLY the problem with this band right now.  At this point after seeing 30+ 3.0 shows and doing all the traveling, all I know is that this band is happy playing and the audience is just as happy to listen.  Which is the whole problem.  Its not that this band can't jam anymore, it because there is no expectation from the crowd.  In the 90's we went to a show and expected greatness every single night, that expectation has been replaced with , "they played, I had fun"  That is why the band doesn't jam IMO....no one fucking listens anymore....we applaud mistakes, dance to crap and ignore every single problem with ourselves and this band when in attendance.  We get drunk as hell, dose and eat molly like its fucking food and are happy to just be there.  And when they play like crap, we have a great time.  Then if you try to get into a critical debate about the music you offend someone or they tell you to not expect anything anymore.

This show was OK, they tried to do something with the Tweezer and it may have worked on some diminished level of what they were once capable of but then as they started up Light with every intention to going further, the audience died, and all their energy seemed spent on hating on 3.0 and the new songs and no one even seemed to know that Light has proven to be a great jumping off point and we ended up with one of the least interesting and shortest 3.0 Lights yet....and RIGHT back into the RAWK.

Why doesn't the band jam on a night to night basis?  Because no one listens or is just too fucked up to notice how bad it is.  Why should the band put any effort into difficult group improvisation when the majority of the crowd walks away remembering how awesome Character Zero and Tweezer Reprise was.  They don't jam because no responds to it.  At this point it really only seems (with a few exceptions) that the crowd only responds to the band playing louder and harder.  Why all the rock peak jamming???...because that's all that is expected and thats all that is responded to.

So yeah, I expect more.  Sorry this band used to be fucking awesome for that exact reason.

This is a truly awesome post. Couldn't of said it better.  :clap:

But just one tiny note. The night they took it out deep in Albany (whether you feel it worked or not) the crowd went beserker (from what I gather listening to the tapes). So some people like it.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: thatfargone on January 03, 2011, 12:48:29 PM
Yes, some.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: qop24 on January 03, 2011, 02:53:01 PM
Quote from: thatfargone on January 03, 2011, 12:35:52 PM
all I know is that this band is happy playing and the audience is just as happy to listen.  Which is the whole problem. 

I totally understand your position (while I disagree) but this quote is pretty damn funny out of context.



I get it. They had their career peak a while ago and don't play the same insane, long, out-there jams anymore, we only catch fleeting glimpses in 3.0 .

Do I give a shit? A resounding "kinda" . Sure, I really wish I could go back in time 15 years and see the crazy shows that occured, but I can't. I have the blessing and curse to have been born just a year or 2 too late to any 90's shows - curse because I obviously didn't get to experience it as it happened but blessing because I can't be converted to become angry fan who refuses to accept that "hey, at least they are still playing better shows than anyone else (assuming phish is your thing, duh.) , and phish shows are fun."

Yeah, that's about exactly what you consider to be "the problem" with 3.0, but I'm sorry that just makes no sense. If you don't like what they are doing now, fine. No one is making you go.

And for the part that I know I'm going to get endless shit for from most:

I love rock. Rock peaks are high energy and fun. Easy, yeah. Accessible, yeah. Fun, for me, absolutely. Don't get me wrong, I want frequent, epic jams as much as the next guy, but they haven't started doing that again yet. They still provide high energy levels and excitement, they aren't "going through the motions" NEARLY as much as other artists do at later career stages. Someone go see Bob Dylan and tell me that's what Phish is doing.  

While I understand longing for days that have come and gone, I'm happy that I have the ability to go to the best party on the planet, repeatedly. I don't care if the 10/30 zeppelin set wasn't an hour long Jim. I had the best hour of my life and I'm stickin to that.




Sorry, I keep forgetting that Coventry was an AMAZING way to end a phenomenon, and life was so much better when we all thought that our favorite band was gone.



/end rant
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: cactusfan on January 04, 2011, 01:21:31 AM
^^^^^
+k for pointing out the moronic argument above.

which i think we can summarize as "the fans who aren't me totally suck and totally ruined phish! wahhh!"

because back in the '90s everyone in the crowd was so reverential, it's what allowed the band to jam. now they can't jam because the crowd cheers the rock songs! it all makes perfect sense!

i think we can all agree that the one thing phish isn't doing is playing the music they want to play the way they want to play it. no chance of that! indeed, they must be in it for the money, or responding to bad fan cheering, or lazy, or bored, or lacking sufficient musical ability to play what, in a total coincidence, WE want them to play. the nerve of these guys!

this of course makes them a 'nostalgia act.' hence the two new albums in the past year, the songs from which they play at every show. which shows we complain about because--wait for it--they don't sound like the old awesome shows used to sound like.

only, wait. how is that nostalgia again? oh, right, it's nostalgia because they don't play the way we want them to play and it sounds like a good insult.


i'm as bummed as the rest of everybody else that there are no more jams. fall tour blew as far i'm concerned. but it's that way because phish is doing something different now, and i have a hard time believing that they're doing it for any reason other than that it's what they want to do.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: WhatstheUse? on January 04, 2011, 01:25:38 AM
^^^YEP.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: thatfargone on January 04, 2011, 04:41:53 PM
Quote from: cactusfan on January 04, 2011, 01:21:31 AM
^^^^^
+k for pointing out the moronic argument above.

which i think we can summarize as "the fans who aren't me totally suck and totally ruined phish! wahhh!"

because back in the '90s everyone in the crowd was so reverential, it's what allowed the band to jam. now they can't jam because the crowd cheers the rock songs! it all makes perfect sense!

i think we can all agree that the one thing phish isn't doing is playing the music they want to play the way they want to play it. no chance of that! indeed, they must be in it for the money, or responding to bad fan cheering, or lazy, or bored, or lacking sufficient musical ability to play what, in a total coincidence, WE want them to play. the nerve of these guys!

this of course makes them a 'nostalgia act.' hence the two new albums in the past year, the songs from which they play at every show. which shows we complain about because--wait for it--they don't sound like the old awesome shows used to sound like.

only, wait. how is that nostalgia again? oh, right, it's nostalgia because they don't play the way we want them to play and it sounds like a good insult.


i'm as bummed as the rest of everybody else that there are no more jams. fall tour blew as far i'm concerned. but it's that way because phish is doing something different now, and i have a hard time believing that they're doing it for any reason other than that it's what they want to do.

If thats how you read it Cactus, fine by me.  But you totally miss my point...which is we collectively, as an audience in 2010, expected very little, and in turn got very little back.  I know many here feel 2009 was better and I suggest it is for this exact reason. I feel the fans expected and demanded more as they came back to touring and playing as a group than we do now.  All most of the audience wants these days is a party.  And even if they play bad, well...at least we got fucked up on drugs and barely noticed.

And qop...there is nothing wrong with the rock, but thats all they are really consistently good at anymore and sorry, thats sad.

And Scotty, do you REALLY want to get involved in this discussion? :roll:
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: mbw on January 04, 2011, 04:46:11 PM
Quote from: thatfargone on January 04, 2011, 04:41:53 PM
And Scotty, do you REALLY want to get involved in this discussion? :roll:

it appears he does.  that cool with you?
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: thatfargone on January 04, 2011, 04:51:18 PM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on January 04, 2011, 04:46:11 PM
Quote from: thatfargone on January 04, 2011, 04:41:53 PM
And Scotty, do you REALLY want to get involved in this discussion? :roll:

it appears he does.  that cool with you?

Yeah it is...I hope he does. :lol:  I'm just sure he probably doesn't.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: cactusfan on January 04, 2011, 07:38:17 PM
Quote from: thatfargone on January 04, 2011, 04:41:53 PM
Quote from: cactusfan on January 04, 2011, 01:21:31 AM
^^^^^
+k for pointing out the moronic argument above.

which i think we can summarize as "the fans who aren't me totally suck and totally ruined phish! wahhh!"

because back in the '90s everyone in the crowd was so reverential, it's what allowed the band to jam. now they can't jam because the crowd cheers the rock songs! it all makes perfect sense!

i think we can all agree that the one thing phish isn't doing is playing the music they want to play the way they want to play it. no chance of that! indeed, they must be in it for the money, or responding to bad fan cheering, or lazy, or bored, or lacking sufficient musical ability to play what, in a total coincidence, WE want them to play. the nerve of these guys!

this of course makes them a 'nostalgia act.' hence the two new albums in the past year, the songs from which they play at every show. which shows we complain about because--wait for it--they don't sound like the old awesome shows used to sound like.

only, wait. how is that nostalgia again? oh, right, it's nostalgia because they don't play the way we want them to play and it sounds like a good insult.


i'm as bummed as the rest of everybody else that there are no more jams. fall tour blew as far i'm concerned. but it's that way because phish is doing something different now, and i have a hard time believing that they're doing it for any reason other than that it's what they want to do.

If thats how you read it Cactus, fine by me.  But you totally miss my point...which is we collectively, as an audience in 2010, expected very little, and in turn got very little back.  I know many here feel 2009 was better and I suggest it is for this exact reason. I feel the fans expected and demanded more as they came back to touring and playing as a group than we do now.  All most of the audience wants these days is a party.  And even if they play bad, well...at least we got fucked up on drugs and barely noticed.

And qop...there is nothing wrong with the rock, but thats all they are really consistently good at anymore and sorry, thats sad.

And Scotty, do you REALLY want to get involved in this discussion? :roll:

ah, now i understand. you're saying that all people who go to phish shows, including everyone here, just wants a party, doesn't care about the music at all, and, through a kind of mind-meld with the band, let them know that, thereby allowing the band to do what they secretly always wanted to do, which is to push themselves not at all and play short songs with rock peaks in them and not play the long, difficult jams of the past, which they were only goaded into playing back then by our stringent demands for no partying and our laser-like focus on the music. glad you cleared that up for me.

Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: redrum on January 04, 2011, 09:04:07 PM
wasnt feelin this thread before.
now i might be startin to..
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: sunrisevt on January 04, 2011, 09:46:18 PM
I believe cactusfan took pwnership of it.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: WhatstheUse? on January 04, 2011, 10:19:14 PM
Phish sucks now and I blame myself!  :cry: :wtu: :cry:

If only I had not liked their mediocre 3.0 shows so much!!!! WHYYYYYYY!!!!!
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: sunrisevt on January 04, 2011, 10:26:51 PM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on January 04, 2011, 10:19:14 PM
Phish sucks now and I blame myself!  :cry: :wtu: :cry:

If only I had not liked their mediocre 3.0 shows so much!!!! WHYYYYYYY!!!!!

And now you know why all of us old-timers hate you so, Scotty.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: WhatstheUse? on January 04, 2011, 10:28:56 PM
Quote from: sunrisevt on January 04, 2011, 10:26:51 PM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on January 04, 2011, 10:19:14 PM
Phish sucks now and I blame myself!  :cry: :wtu: :cry:

If only I had not liked their mediocre 3.0 shows so much!!!! WHYYYYYYY!!!!!

And now you know why all of us old-timers hate you so, Scotty.

From now on I will not dance or smile during Phish shows.

That way, if Trey spots me during the show, he will know I am disappointed in him and will begin to play better.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Lifeboy on January 04, 2011, 10:35:50 PM
 :clap:
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: sunrisevt on January 04, 2011, 10:35:56 PM
Fuck, don't bother--it's ruined.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: WhatstheUse? on January 04, 2011, 10:39:37 PM
Quote from: sunrisevt on January 04, 2011, 10:35:56 PM
Fuck, don't bother--it's ruined.

You're right.

Ever since the band saw how psyched thatfargone was @ Utica... they knew they could keep playing mediocre shows and everyone would accept it  :|
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Poster Nutbag on January 04, 2011, 10:46:15 PM
Quote from: sunrisevt on January 04, 2011, 09:46:18 PM
I believe cactusfan took pwnership of it.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: mbw on January 04, 2011, 11:02:57 PM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on January 04, 2011, 10:28:56 PM
Quote from: sunrisevt on January 04, 2011, 10:26:51 PM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on January 04, 2011, 10:19:14 PM
Phish sucks now and I blame myself!  :cry: :wtu: :cry:

If only I had not liked their mediocre 3.0 shows so much!!!! WHYYYYYYY!!!!!

And now you know why all of us old-timers hate you so, Scotty.

From now on I will not dance or smile during Phish shows.

That way, if Trey spots me during the show, he will know I am disappointed in him and will begin to play better.

he told you not to get involved, and now look, you've gone and made a fool of yourself ripped him a new one.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: mattstick on January 05, 2011, 08:18:32 AM

This thread has taken a weird turn, but I believe thatfargone has a legit point. 

People scream during the a capella numbers now, they go crazy and throw glowsticks during quiet parts of songs - I suspect the band feels that we (as an audience) are less in tune with the music than the "good old days".

Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Buffalo Budd on January 05, 2011, 08:23:53 AM
^^^But people were pulling that shit back in 97 as well so I guess I can't buy that methodology.  It's been a travelling circus for close to 20 years where 95% of the people are partying, some more than others, but everyone is having a good time.  I don't feel this has anything to do with the direction of 3.0.  Just my opinion.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: mattstick on January 05, 2011, 08:34:54 AM
Nope, it's definitely different now from '97.  The first "glowstick war" after The Great Went was 12/13/97 Harry Hood.

In AC people were chucking glowsticks around and yelling at the top of their lungs during the quiet part of Guelah Papyrus.  It's a little out of control now - I don't like it very much, personally.  The whole crowd at the Phish show feels disrespectful to me now - it's a very different culture in the crowd, and I think the band can tell.

That said, I think the biggest influence on the current sound is Trey's sobriety.  He now gets off (in the rock n' roll sense) on the big rock peak.  This release is probably a lot like drugs for him.

I should be really clear, I don't want a regression to a past sound.  I want to hear them grow, change and explore new sounds... combine that with predictable (and IMO, lame) setlists, and that's what's been boring about the playing over the last year and a half.

I really don't get how some of you have managed to see so many shows in the past year without getting burnt out. 

Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Buffalo Budd on January 05, 2011, 09:14:54 AM
Quote from: mattstick on January 05, 2011, 08:34:54 AM
That said, I think the biggest influence on the current sound is Trey's sobriety.  He now gets off (in the rock n' roll sense) on the big rock peak.  This release is probably a lot like drugs for him.
This seems more plausible to me than the crowd's behaviour and I do feel we're not going to see the ambient jams like we did back at the end of the 90's.  I think that was more conducive to the headspace of the band at that time.

And I guess since I only see about 2 - 4 shows a year, I still get off on Phish these days.  They are still the most exciting live show I've ever seen and the freak show that follows them along adds to the flavour that is Phish IMO.  I'm just happy they are still creating music (whether groundbreaking or not) as no other band can take me to that place that  :phish: does.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: qop24 on January 05, 2011, 09:33:44 AM
Quote from: mattstick on January 05, 2011, 08:34:54 AM
In AC people were chucking glowsticks around and yelling at the top of their lungs during the quiet part of Guelah Papyrus.  It's a little out of control now - I don't like it very much, personally.  The whole crowd at the Phish show feels disrespectful to me now - it's a very different culture in the crowd, and I think the band can tell.

I get what you are saying esp with the different culture of the crowd, but were you at AC? I was just a couple rows back page-side when that Guelah pause happened and it started off normal, but the energy of the room just kept building and building, and a pretty awesome applause/glowstick war occured.

Was this disrespectful? The huge smiles on their faces (especially Trey's) at just absorbing the obvious joy in the room make me think otherwise. I personally see those pause>cheerfest/glowstick wars as kind of a respect for the band.

If I were on stage and paused a song and the crowd gradually got really excited and showed me how much they love my music, I'd think it was a sign of major respect.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: mattstick on January 05, 2011, 09:39:08 AM

Yes, I was there, I thought it was really, really lame.  The crowd should be attentive to what the band is playing on-stage, not throwing glowsticks and cheering for no reason.

The silences in these songs are not an opportunity to cheer, they have a significance in the song.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: PIE-GUY on January 05, 2011, 09:41:56 AM
Quote from: mattstick on January 05, 2011, 09:39:08 AM

Yes, I was there, I thought it was really, really lame.  The crowd should be attentive to what the band is playing on-stage, not throwing glowsticks and cheering for no reason.

The silences in these songs are not an opportunity to cheer, they have a significance in the song.

boy, you're sounding like a really fun guy.

The eruption of crowd energy during Guelah was surprising and very cool. If that annoys you, I can see why you are burned out on Phish these days.

MRFMTD.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: mattstick on January 05, 2011, 09:44:38 AM

I think of myself as a pretty fun guy - but throwing glowsticks around is fun if you're like 13 years old.  Adults have fun at concerts by listening and enjoying the music, dancing and once again, listening.

Do you people go to the symphony and start cheering in the quiet parts, maybe throwing shit around?
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: birdman on January 05, 2011, 09:47:21 AM
Quote from: mattstick on January 05, 2011, 09:39:08 AM



The silences in these songs are not an opportunity to cheer, they have a significance in the song.

Give me a fucking break. No one should cheer during the Divided pause? lol.
The crowd is not influencing the direction of the music.
Lets face it these guys used to lock themselves in a room and jam for countless hours on end. DAY AFTER DAY. YEAR AFTER YEAR. They do not, can not, will not prepare like this ever again.
Phish 3.0 is what it is and it will never be what it once was.

The crowd has always talked, some people go to party, some to just listen.
Get over your super heady attitudes and enjoy yourself. Fuck. If you dont like it DONT GO.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: mattstick on January 05, 2011, 09:51:23 AM

Geez, a bunch of uptight people around here can't handle an opinion today...

I don't think my attitude is "super heady", I think being critical of the crowd and what the band is doing is my right, given the costs of tickets and travelling to a show, or tuning into a webcast.

So you stand there and scream at the top of your lungs during the pause in Divided Sky?  That's your right, I would prefer it if people were silent.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: birdman on January 05, 2011, 09:55:37 AM
Quote from: mattstick on January 05, 2011, 09:51:23 AM

Geez, a bunch of uptight people around here can't handle an opinion today...

I don't think my attitude is "super heady", I think being critical of the crowd and what the band is doing is my right, given the costs of tickets and travelling to a show, or tuning into a webcast.

So you stand there and scream at the top of your lungs during the pause in Divided Sky?  That's your right, I would prefer it if people were silent.

I respect your right to that opinion, but you're in the obviously in the minority. If people want to yell, more power to em. If you dont like it get some noise canceling earplugs and shove them as deep in your ears as you can during the silent parts and enjoy yourself some peace and quiet. Im going to scream and yell and get off like 99% of the crowd.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: willsteele on January 05, 2011, 09:55:39 AM
Quote from: mattstick on January 05, 2011, 09:51:23 AM

So you stand there and scream at the top of your lungs during the pause in Divided Sky?  That's your right, I would prefer it if people were silent.


Agreed.  But it ain't gonna happen so we just deal.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: qop24 on January 05, 2011, 09:56:08 AM
I think birdman knows what's up



We have 2 options for pauses:

1.) "whoaaa maaaan....it's totally silent now, it's like the whole world just came together in peace because of this divided sky....whoaa.....oh shiiit, am I talking out loud and ruining it now????"


2.) Pause. Brief moment of silence. Someone chucks a glowstick. Cheering starts building. Building....Building....Room lights up with glowsticks in a frenzy of joy and energy. Trey smiles big time, Page looks around smiling, Mike stands in his usual stoic manner, and Fish is thinking about who the fuck knows what. Trey hits a note and life goes back to normal.


to each their own
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: PIE-GUY on January 05, 2011, 09:58:30 AM
Honestly, I've never thrown a glowstick in my life... that said, I've been known to bring hundreds of balloons into a show to help bring up the party mood of the room. I "get" the sentiment of getting excited and throwing things around to add to the excitement.

this whole discussion reminds me of the old "a cappella with no mics" days... as annoying as an excited "WOOHOO" could be when you're trying to hear the band sing, the readicculus "SSSSSHHHHHHH" from people trying to quiet the "woohoo" guy was far more annoying.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: willsteele on January 05, 2011, 10:02:40 AM
I like when people cheer during a cappela stuff...  it just reinforces my belief that barbershop IS as bad ass as I think it is.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: mattstick on January 05, 2011, 10:03:14 AM
Have you ever seen those people who run around at GA & festival shows picking up glowsticks, just so they can throw like 30 at once?

Those people are not listening to the show.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: redrum on January 05, 2011, 10:03:58 AM
awww man, if only mattstick coulda heard the "loudest horn on the block" that i was blowing during the divided pause, he woulda been so pissed. oh wait, you can just faintly hear it in the distance on the stream if you turn it up really really loud.
it was the best. from what i could tell, everyone in our section loved it as it got big smiles, and fist pumps.
it also seemed like trey looked over at us and it made him smile a couple times.

the cute girl from cali sitting next to us was telling me at setbreak that it got the whole place to cheer even louder.
you woulda hated it dood!!
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Buffalo Budd on January 05, 2011, 10:04:52 AM
Quote from: birdman on January 05, 2011, 09:47:21 AM
The crowd is not influencing the direction of the music.
Lets face it these guys used to lock themselves in a room and jam for countless hours on end. DAY AFTER DAY. YEAR AFTER YEAR. They do not, can not, will not prepare like this ever again. Phish 3.0 is what it is and it will never be what it once was.

The crowd has always talked, some people go to party, some to just listen.
Get over your super heady attitudes and enjoy yourself. Fuck. If you dont like it DONT GO.
Birdman hit the nail right on the head.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: PIE-GUY on January 05, 2011, 10:06:25 AM
Quote from: mattstick on January 05, 2011, 10:03:14 AM
Have you ever seen those people who run around at GA & festival shows picking up glowsticks, just so they can throw like 30 at once?

Those people are not listening to the show.

but again, spending even a moment of your time at the show bemoaning these people means you're not listening for that moment. Why let it bother you? Enjoy the show.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: redrum on January 05, 2011, 10:06:57 AM
Quote from: mattstick on January 05, 2011, 10:03:14 AM
Have you ever seen those people who run around at GA & festival shows picking up glowsticks, just so they can throw like 30 at once?

Those people are not listening to the show.

but they are having fun.
who cares? i'm listening..
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: antelope19 on January 05, 2011, 10:12:06 AM
I usually pick up the glowsticks that land at my feet and throw them as high and far as I possibly can.   :|
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: redrum on January 05, 2011, 10:13:36 AM
Quote from: antelope19 on January 05, 2011, 10:12:06 AM
I usually pick up the glowsticks that land at my feet and throw them as high and far as I possibly can.   :|

you prolly scream during divided too.  :roll:
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: antelope19 on January 05, 2011, 10:14:14 AM
Quote from: redrum on January 05, 2011, 10:13:36 AM
Quote from: antelope19 on January 05, 2011, 10:12:06 AM
I usually pick up the glowsticks that land at my feet and throw them as high and far as I possibly can.   :|

you prolly scream during divided too.  :roll:

I prefer the vuvuzela(sp?) myself.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: qop24 on January 05, 2011, 10:17:21 AM
Perhaps we should all have horns of different pitches and keys, so during the pauses we can play our own little song.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: redrum on January 05, 2011, 10:18:26 AM
(http://cdn.pastemagazine.com/www/articles/vuvuzela.jpg?1277128293)
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: mbw on January 05, 2011, 10:21:52 AM
http://www.vuvuzela-time.co.uk/week4paug.net (http://www.vuvuzela-time.co.uk/week4paug.net)
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: qop24 on January 05, 2011, 10:25:21 AM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on January 05, 2011, 10:21:52 AM
http://www.vuvuzela-time.co.uk/week4paug.net (http://www.vuvuzela-time.co.uk/week4paug.net)

:hereitisyousentimentalbastard :clap:
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: redrum on January 05, 2011, 10:26:34 AM
 :hereitisyousentimentalbastard :hereitisyousentimentalbastard

:clap:
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: birdman on January 05, 2011, 11:01:48 AM
Thats great! :-D
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: mbw on January 05, 2011, 11:04:04 AM
you guys need to stay up on tet's PSA's

http://week4paug.net/public-service-announcements/new-beta-website-check-it-out (http://week4paug.net/public-service-announcements/new-beta-website-check-it-out!/)!/
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: WhatstheUse? on January 05, 2011, 12:48:53 PM
Hating on the AC Guelah pause?

BAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH......... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.....

That's a complete celebration of life.  It's part of why I go to Phish shows. The band LOVED it.

LoL.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: mbw on January 05, 2011, 01:00:45 PM
have people ever been silent during guelah or divided pauses?  no.
that would be weird.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: redrum on January 05, 2011, 01:05:15 PM
QUIET DOWN ALL OF YOU, I'M TRYING TO HEAR THE SILENT TREEEEEEES!!!!
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Hicks on January 05, 2011, 01:24:04 PM
I'm with tfg and Matt.

I mean defending glowstick wars, really?  I thought that debate was settled in 1998.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: birdman on January 05, 2011, 01:25:17 PM
Quote from: Hicks on January 05, 2011, 01:24:04 PM
I'm with tfg and Matt.

I mean defending glowstick wars, really?  I thought that debate was settled in 1998.
Apparently no one got the memo
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: redrum on January 05, 2011, 01:29:00 PM
i must inquire wilson....
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: mattstick on January 05, 2011, 01:32:57 PM

This is pretty hilarious - if we don't love everything about Phish 3.0 we "can't have fun", or there is something wrong with us.

Fluffers unite!  and PT >>>>
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: qop24 on January 05, 2011, 01:34:31 PM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on January 05, 2011, 12:48:53 PM
Hating on the AC Guelah pause?

BAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH......... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.....

That's a complete celebration of life.  It's part of why I go to Phish shows. The band LOVED it.

LoL.

This.

and yeah I have mixed feelings about glowsticks too (wars can be fun to watch, but a stray glowstick nailing you while you are in the zone sucks) but what I care about is the celebration as WTU puts it
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: sophist on January 05, 2011, 01:35:54 PM
I think glowsticks suck. 


Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: qop24 on January 05, 2011, 01:38:53 PM
Quote from: mattstick on January 05, 2011, 01:32:57 PM

This is pretty hilarious

I guess that makes sense since you were voted least funny

:evil:
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: rowjimmy on January 05, 2011, 01:50:55 PM
Quote from: sophist on January 05, 2011, 01:35:54 PM
I think glowsticks suck.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: mattstick on January 05, 2011, 01:55:02 PM

Seriously, Glowsticks suck.  Fluffers, check yourselves.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: PIE-GUY on January 05, 2011, 01:59:02 PM
Quote from: mattstick on January 05, 2011, 01:32:57 PM

This is pretty hilarious - if we don't love everything about Phish 3.0 we "can't have fun", or there is something wrong with us.

Fluffers unite!  and PT >>>>

It's not that I'm fluffing anything, but you are complaining about shit that has been there since day 1 of seeing Phish. If you can't ignore some idiot "gathering" glowsticks from the ground so he can toss them in the air at a "peak" moment, then there may be something wrong with you.

It's like complaining loudly about the guys on the street that try to hand you fliers instead of just ignoring them and walking on.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Buffalo Budd on January 05, 2011, 01:59:36 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on January 05, 2011, 01:50:55 PM
Quote from: sophist on January 05, 2011, 01:35:54 PM
I think glowsticks suck.
I agree completely but does it make or break a show to me?  Definitely not.  Does it affect the band's performance?  Only if a jackass beans one of the members with one.  If they wanted it to stop, they would have everyone frisked at the gate for glowstick contraband and plead with phans to not bring them.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: mattstick on January 05, 2011, 02:02:40 PM
Quote from: PIE-GUY on January 05, 2011, 01:59:02 PM
Quote from: mattstick on January 05, 2011, 01:32:57 PM

This is pretty hilarious - if we don't love everything about Phish 3.0 we "can't have fun", or there is something wrong with us.

Fluffers unite!  and PT >>>>

It's not that I'm fluffing anything, but you are complaining about shit that has been there since day 1 of seeing Phish. If you can't ignore some idiot "gathering" glowsticks from the ground so he can toss them in the air at a "peak" moment, then there may be something wrong with you.

It's like complaining loudly about the guys on the street that try to hand you fliers instead of just ignoring them and walking on.

Remember, that's not how this discussion started.  It morphed into a discussion of whether or not glowsticks are enjoyable, and my answer is they're not.

I can, and do ignore these people - but it's much more difficult to enjoy ignore these days because the level of respect for the band has declined over the years.

Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Hicks on January 05, 2011, 02:03:35 PM
It's a lot easier to ignore all that stuff when the music coming from the PA is better.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: mattstick on January 05, 2011, 02:07:45 PM
Quote from: Hicks on January 05, 2011, 02:03:35 PM
It's a lot easier to ignore all that stuff when the music coming from the PA is better.

Agreed.   Not much else to talk about with this show...
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: gainesvillegreen on January 05, 2011, 02:10:28 PM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on January 05, 2011, 10:21:52 AM
http://www.vuvuzela-time.co.uk/week4paug.net (http://www.vuvuzela-time.co.uk/week4paug.net)

That's sweet. +k
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: PIE-GUY on January 05, 2011, 02:13:47 PM
Quote from: mattstick on January 05, 2011, 02:02:40 PM
the level of respect for the band has declined over the years.

I guess my point is that I completely disagree with this. Again, do you really think that the crowds at Nectar's weren't "chatty?"

There have always been and will always be annoying people at shows. It's not better or worse now.

Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: gainesvillegreen on January 05, 2011, 02:14:41 PM
Quote from: PIE-GUY on January 05, 2011, 01:59:02 PM
Quote from: mattstick on January 05, 2011, 01:32:57 PM

This is pretty hilarious - if we don't love everything about Phish 3.0 we "can't have fun", or there is something wrong with us.

Fluffers unite!  and PT >>>>

It's not that I'm fluffing anything, but you are complaining about shit that has been there since day 1 of seeing Phish. If you can't ignore some idiot "gathering" glowsticks from the ground so he can toss them in the air at a "peak" moment, then there may be something wrong with you.

It's like complaining loudly about the guys on the street that try to hand you fliers instead of just ignoring them and walking on.

Possibly, but they generally don't hit you in the head with said flyers, and they certainly don't accidentally end up in someone's anus.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Hicks on January 05, 2011, 02:19:39 PM
Quote from: gainesvillegreen on January 05, 2011, 02:14:41 PM
Quote from: PIE-GUY on January 05, 2011, 01:59:02 PM
Quote from: mattstick on January 05, 2011, 01:32:57 PM

This is pretty hilarious - if we don't love everything about Phish 3.0 we "can't have fun", or there is something wrong with us.

Fluffers unite!  and PT >>>>

It's not that I'm fluffing anything, but you are complaining about shit that has been there since day 1 of seeing Phish. If you can't ignore some idiot "gathering" glowsticks from the ground so he can toss them in the air at a "peak" moment, then there may be something wrong with you.

It's like complaining loudly about the guys on the street that try to hand you fliers instead of just ignoring them and walking on.

Possibly, but they generally don't hit you in the head with said flyers, and they certainly don't accidentally end up in someone's anus.

Do tell.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: sophist on January 05, 2011, 02:19:57 PM
Quote from: gainesvillegreen on January 05, 2011, 02:14:41 PM
Quote from: PIE-GUY on January 05, 2011, 01:59:02 PM
Quote from: mattstick on January 05, 2011, 01:32:57 PM

This is pretty hilarious - if we don't love everything about Phish 3.0 we "can't have fun", or there is something wrong with us.

Fluffers unite!  and PT >>>>

It's not that I'm fluffing anything, but you are complaining about shit that has been there since day 1 of seeing Phish. If you can't ignore some idiot "gathering" glowsticks from the ground so he can toss them in the air at a "peak" moment, then there may be something wrong with you.

It's like complaining loudly about the guys on the street that try to hand you fliers instead of just ignoring them and walking on.

Possibly, but they generally don't hit you in the head with said flyers, and they certainly don't accidentally end up in someone's anus.
HEY NOW.  That was one time, a long time ago.  I was in a weird place, "experimenting," and trying find myself. 
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: mattstick on January 05, 2011, 02:21:44 PM
Quote from: PIE-GUY on January 05, 2011, 02:13:47 PM
Quote from: mattstick on January 05, 2011, 02:02:40 PM
the level of respect for the band has declined over the years.

I guess my point is that I completely disagree with this. Again, do you really think that the crowds at Nectar's weren't "chatty?"

There have always been and will always be annoying people at shows. It's not better or worse now.

I agree that there have always been chatty people at shows, but the acceptability of doing things that shouldn't be acceptable certainly has changed. 

At one point people waited until the Hood jam to throw glowsticks, I remember being surprised that people were chucking glowsticks around during Antelope at Deer Creek '98.  Now you can't even get through the opener without them flying.

If I had my way, I'd kill the "Hood chant" too. 
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: qop24 on January 05, 2011, 02:21:49 PM
Quote from: gainesvillegreen on January 05, 2011, 02:14:41 PM

Possibly, but they generally don't hit you in the head with said flyers, and they certainly don't accidentally end up in someone's anus.

I'll do w/e it takes to go see a Phish show.


Although I'm starting to think that a few people here would rather have glowsticks in their anus than see Phish. (Why not have both?)
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: qop24 on January 05, 2011, 02:27:42 PM
Quote from: sophist on January 05, 2011, 02:26:36 PM
I'm pretty sure Sprobeck has it both ways. 


(too far?)


Keep pushing, you have a few more inches of room left.










(too far?)
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: sophist on January 05, 2011, 02:29:38 PM
Quote from: qop24 on January 05, 2011, 02:27:42 PM
Quote from: sophist on January 05, 2011, 02:26:36 PM
I'm pretty sure Sprobeck has it both ways. 


(too far?)


Keep pushing, you have a few more inches of room left.










(too far?)
quick on the draw there.  I just removed that post.   :hereitisyousentimentalbastard
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Superfreakie on January 05, 2011, 02:31:32 PM
Glowsticks into anuses. Paug, you never cease to amaze.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: sophist on January 05, 2011, 02:33:40 PM
Quote from: Superfreakie on January 05, 2011, 02:31:32 PM
Glowsticks into anuses. Paug, you never cease to amaze stimulate me.
fyp.   :wink:
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: qop24 on January 05, 2011, 02:41:08 PM
Quote from: sophist on January 05, 2011, 02:29:38 PM
Quote from: qop24 on January 05, 2011, 02:27:42 PM
Quote from: sophist on January 05, 2011, 02:26:36 PM
I'm pretty sure Sprobeck has it both ways. 


(too far?)


Keep pushing, you have a few more inches of room left.










(too far?)
quick on the draw there.  I just removed that post.   :hereitisyousentimentalbastard

It was a setup! Way to make ME look like the ass  :wink:
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: McGrupp on January 05, 2011, 02:50:00 PM
I'm glad I caught up on the last few posts of this thread, because I was about to give up...
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: PIE-GUY on January 05, 2011, 02:57:15 PM
Quote from: mattstick on January 05, 2011, 02:21:44 PM

If I had my way, I'd kill the "Hood chant" too.

This is how I used to feel about the clapping in Stash. Then I gave up and decided not to let any of that crap bother me anymore. You will never see me clap in Stash nor chant in Hood nor throw a glowstick.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: sophist on January 05, 2011, 03:16:11 PM
Quote from: PIE-GUY on January 05, 2011, 02:57:15 PM
Quote from: mattstick on January 05, 2011, 02:21:44 PM

If I had my way, I'd kill the "Hood chant" too.

This is how I used to feel about the clapping in Stash. Then I gave up and decided not to let any of that crap bother me anymore. You will never see me clap in Stash nor chant in Hood nor throw a glowstick.
x2
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Poster Nutbag on January 05, 2011, 05:04:06 PM
This is my take on glow-sticks and glow-rings... Hate glow-sticks and love to see the glow-rings fly!! Sorry for all you people that don't enjoy them and especially for the tapers that have to deal with them bouncing off their mics from time to time, but I do feel they add greatly to the ambiance and heighten the vibe!! It's visible and interactive with the band... I also remember it being mentioned in another interview with one member of the band, either Trey or Fishman can't remember, but I do really enjoy them... Just really wish it was only the glow-rings and people would take the time to connect them all the way it was for the most part in the late 90's...

Quote
It's official. The heads of security at MSG and the DCU Center in Woosta have confirmed that thin glow sticks will be permitted at every single show of the New Year's run. Thick glow 'rods' may be confiscated but Show Sticks are good to go!"I think that the glow-rings, the kind that fit together in the little plastic insert, they're great. They look great flying around up there... Get thousands and millions of those little ringed ones. They're thin. They couldn't hurt a fly. Throw them around. They'll look amazing. They really will. But I think everyone's against the thick, plastic ones."

Chris Kuroda Interview w/JamBands.com

Make it rain!
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: birdman on January 05, 2011, 05:49:44 PM
Chris Kuroda obviously hates jams.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: mattstick on January 05, 2011, 05:54:26 PM
I very much doubt that Chris wrote that.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Superfreakie on January 05, 2011, 06:00:05 PM
Quote from: mattstick on January 05, 2011, 05:54:26 PM
I very much doubt that Chris wrote that.

the interview with jambands is legit, quite long and included technical discussion about lighting and technology BUT it was written in 2009 (sept 30). here is the interview, it's decent:

http://www.jambands.com/features/2009/09/30/looking-into-the-light-with-chris-kuroda/ (http://www.jambands.com/features/2009/09/30/looking-into-the-light-with-chris-kuroda/) 
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Lifeboy on January 05, 2011, 06:08:36 PM
You will never see me clap, chant, or throw glowsticks, but I sure as hell think it looks cool when there are hundreds of them flying through the air at once.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: kellerb on January 05, 2011, 06:43:53 PM
One time before a show, I had to tell a friend from texas (not pie-guy) that it wasn't proper to go "WOOOOOO" until the lights dimmed.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: G. Augusto on January 05, 2011, 06:46:17 PM
Quote from: kellerb on January 05, 2011, 06:43:53 PM
One time before a show, I had to tell a friend from texas (not pie-guy) that it wasn't proper to go "WOOOOOO" until the lights dimmed.

Did he tell you not to faint once they hit the stage?
HEY YO!
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Revi
Post by: Buffalo Budd on January 05, 2011, 07:10:19 PM
Quote from: G. Augusto on January 05, 2011, 06:46:17 PM
Quote from: kellerb on January 05, 2011, 06:43:53 PM
One time before a show, I had to tell a friend from texas (not pie-guy) that it wasn't proper to go "WOOOOOO" until the lights dimmed.

Did he tell you not to faint once they hit the stage?
HEY YO!
:hereitisyousentimentalbastard
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: sunrisevt on January 05, 2011, 07:40:54 PM
Quote from: Superfreakie on January 05, 2011, 06:00:05 PM
Quote from: mattstick on January 05, 2011, 05:54:26 PM
I very much doubt that Chris wrote that.

the interview with jambands is legit, quite long and included technical discussion about lighting and technology BUT it was written in 2009 (sept 30). here is the interview, it's decent:

http://www.jambands.com/features/2009/09/30/looking-into-the-light-with-chris-kuroda/ (http://www.jambands.com/features/2009/09/30/looking-into-the-light-with-chris-kuroda/)

I'm pretty sure Kuroda's remarks abut glowsticks were uttered considerably earlier that 2009--like late 90s or early 00s.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: sophist on January 05, 2011, 07:41:18 PM
Quote from: G. Augusto on January 05, 2011, 06:46:17 PM
Quote from: kellerb on January 05, 2011, 06:43:53 PM
One time before a show, I had to tell a friend from texas (not pie-guy) that it wasn't proper to go "WOOOOOO" until the lights dimmed.

Did he tell you not to faint once they hit the stage?
HEY YO!
BURN!
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Superfreakie on January 05, 2011, 08:11:47 PM
Quote from: sophist on January 05, 2011, 07:41:18 PM
Quote from: G. Augusto on January 05, 2011, 06:46:17 PM
Quote from: kellerb on January 05, 2011, 06:43:53 PM
One time before a show, I had to tell a friend from texas (not pie-guy) that it wasn't proper to go "WOOOOOO" until the lights dimmed.

Did he tell you not to faint once they hit the stage?
HEY YO!
BURN!

I can see the smoke from here.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: thatfargone on January 06, 2011, 12:29:31 PM
Wow Cactus, really twisting what I'm saying huh?  Nothing better to do? Kinda sad. :shakehead:

Matt thanks for actually getting my point and providing some support.  I have meet and raged shows with many of you guys this past year. Everyone here that has spent any amount of time with me knows I fucking love every minute of every show I am at.  Sorry that I'm one of the few that doesn't think that every show is awesome or that I am satisfied with mediocre playing.  Or that just because I ate doses that shit was awesome.

Also realize that I know how fucked up many of you are at shows, there of some of you that have their face in their hands so spun they have no idea what is going.  I have actually been asked by some of you if a set was good or not because you were so spun.  Its easy to enjoy mediocrity and walk out of a show talking about how awesome it was when you don't remember it.  Shit, I ran in to a group of you after this show and all you had to say is how on LSD that 2nd set was awesome...sorry it wasn't, I was spun too.  Many of you seem to think you cannot have fun and be critical at the same time...that some how if you don't fluff a show that you don't belong there or should stay at home.  This is a band that thrived on expectation at one time.

And for the record glowsticks suck and so does yelling at quiet parts, just shows how much less interested the crowd is these days...and Pie Guy, you know damn well things are worse now.  Sure there were assholes in the 90's no doubt about that...but come on, to say its about the same is embarrassing.  The critical listeners are a minority now, so yeah...if me and Matt are in the minority, its because we still expect more and probably listen more and get less fucked up as many of you so we can actually tell if a bad show was bad.  I dose at shows, just not every night like a lot of the kids these days...when you let your mind recover...many of you would realize that things aren't that awesome.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Hicks on January 06, 2011, 12:45:20 PM
Also, there's a huge difference in talking over a band playing at a no cover bar and at a show that people paid $60+ to get into.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: cactusfan on January 06, 2011, 01:17:18 PM
Quote from: thatfargone on January 06, 2011, 12:29:31 PM
Wow Cactus, really twisting what I'm saying huh?  Nothing better to do? Kinda sad. :shakehead:

Matt thanks for actually getting my point and providing some support.  I have meet and raged shows with many of you guys this past year. Everyone here that has spent any amount of time with me knows I fucking love every minute of every show I am at.  Sorry that I'm one of the few that doesn't think that every show is awesome or that I am satisfied with mediocre playing.  Or that just because I ate doses that shit was awesome.

Also realize that I know how fucked up many of you are at shows, there of some of you that have their face in their hands so spun they have no idea what is going.  I have actually been asked by some of you if a set was good or not because you were so spun.  Its easy to enjoy mediocrity and walk out of a show talking about how awesome it was when you don't remember it.  Shit, I ran in to a group of you after this show and all you had to say is how on LSD that 2nd set was awesome...sorry it wasn't, I was spun too.  Many of you seem to think you cannot have fun and be critical at the same time...that some how if you don't fluff a show that you don't belong there or should stay at home.  This is a band that thrived on expectation at one time.

And for the record glowsticks suck and so does yelling at quiet parts, just shows how much less interested the crowd is these days...and Pie Guy, you know damn well things are worse now.  Sure there were assholes in the 90's no doubt about that...but come on, to say its about the same is embarrassing.  The critical listeners are a minority now, so yeah...if me and Matt are in the minority, its because we still expect more and probably listen more and get less fucked up as many of you so we can actually tell if a bad show was bad.  I dose at shows, just not every night like a lot of the kids these days...when you let your mind recover...many of you would realize that things aren't that awesome.

do you actually read what you write here? you keep saying i've misinterpreted you, and then you say the exact same thing again. dude, it's okay: WE GET IT.

you're the best phish fan ever. you know what you're supposed to do, and when you're supposed to do it. you take drugs too, but you take them CORRECTLY. understood. you love being at shows--but you, unlike the rest of us, are able to be critical afterwards. and a good thing, too! why, without your voice here, no one would ever criticize anything about these shows.

the fans used to be SO COOL. no one did drugs the wrong way, no one partied, all were reverently silent at the points in the show they were supposed to be. it was a magical time when unicorns walked the earth and dreams came true.

and now, these damn kids don't get it! why, phish could piss in their ears and they'd like it! excuse me, they could piss in OUR ears, for it is WE (thatfargone excepted) who are among the worst offenders, with our incessant fluffing of everything phish does. it's a goddamn festival of blowjobs around here after every show!

so yeah, man. keep it up. i'm glad only you and mattstick (i hope you're okay being drafted into this, mattstick) are able to listen more critically than everyone else here, and can let us know important things like how shows with the most guyute teases are totally the best.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: antelope19 on January 06, 2011, 01:20:28 PM
 :hereitisyousentimentalbastard

:Insert popcorn eating gif here:
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: nab on January 06, 2011, 01:27:24 PM
Quote from: antelope19 on January 06, 2011, 01:20:28 PM
:hereitisyousentimentalbastard

:Insert popcorn eating gif here:


Pulls up seat next to antelope  (http://www.gatortraks.com/forum/Smileys/classic/1974_eating_popcorn.gif)
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: qop24 on January 06, 2011, 01:36:49 PM
Quote from: cactusfan on January 06, 2011, 01:17:18 PM
it's a goddamn festival of blowjobs around here after every show!

so THAT'S why they hate phish shows now
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: nab on January 06, 2011, 01:44:22 PM

Quote from: cactusfan on January 06, 2011, 01:17:18 PM
it's a goddamn festival of blowjobs around here after every show!

sigd'
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Buffalo Budd on January 06, 2011, 01:44:41 PM
 :roll: Here we go.
TFG, I was with ya till you rattled off how Paugers can't handle their drugs.  Do you think you're Albert Hoffman or something, give me a break.  I'm pretty sure it was you that posted about having your own drug problems awhile back. 
I'd say 1/3 to 1/2 of the shows I've seen over the years I was completely sober.  Not even alcohol or  :smoke: at the Went and I think I puffed a little at Lemonwheel.  I loved every second of it.  I guess I am a fluffer but I enjoy what this band does and where they take me.  The only time I've ever been genuinely disappointed was at Coventry and I was definitely under a few influences there.  I would take 3.0 playing anyday over most of what I've heard in 2.0 (I may be in the minority here).  Sure an extended jam here or there would be (is) sweet but I'm not gonna write the band off when they don't jam out 75% of their tunes.  Like it for what it is or just stay home for the love of God.  Telling people they do too many drugs for a Phish show is like saying someone ate too much at an all-you-can-eat buffet.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Hicks on January 06, 2011, 01:46:50 PM
Personally I'm just here for the blowjob fest, I could give two shits about Phish.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Festival of Blow Jobs
Post by: mbw on January 06, 2011, 01:49:42 PM
i propose this new thread naming scheme  ^^^
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: McGrupp on January 06, 2011, 01:53:18 PM
Quote from: thatfargone on January 06, 2011, 12:29:31 PM
Wow Cactus, really twisting what I'm saying huh?  Nothing better to do? Kinda sad. :shakehead:

Matt thanks for actually getting my point and providing some support.  I have meet and raged shows with many of you guys this past year. Everyone here that has spent any amount of time with me knows I fucking love every minute of every show I am at.  Sorry that I'm one of the few that doesn't think that every show is awesome or that I am satisfied with mediocre playing.  Or that just because I ate doses that shit was awesome.

Also realize that I know how fucked up many of you are at shows, there of some of you that have their face in their hands so spun they have no idea what is going.  I have actually been asked by some of you if a set was good or not because you were so spun.  Its easy to enjoy mediocrity and walk out of a show talking about how awesome it was when you don't remember it.  Shit, I ran in to a group of you after this show and all you had to say is how on LSD that 2nd set was awesome...sorry it wasn't, I was spun too.  Many of you seem to think you cannot have fun and be critical at the same time...that some how if you don't fluff a show that you don't belong there or should stay at home.  This is a band that thrived on expectation at one time.

And for the record glowsticks suck and so does yelling at quiet parts, just shows how much less interested the crowd is these days...and Pie Guy, you know damn well things are worse now.  Sure there were assholes in the 90's no doubt about that...but come on, to say its about the same is embarrassing.  The critical listeners are a minority now, so yeah...if me and Matt are in the minority, its because we still expect more and probably listen more and get less fucked up as many of you so we can actually tell if a bad show was bad.  I dose at shows, just not every night like a lot of the kids these days...when you let your mind recover...many of you would realize that things aren't that awesome.

TFG - So...you're trying to tell me that everything isn't better on LSD?

:?

:mrgreen:
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: antelope19 on January 06, 2011, 01:55:10 PM
God Damn you all!  I'm having a really difficult time holding it together at work.  This shit is too funny.....
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: danje on January 06, 2011, 01:55:46 PM
True story: I got way too spun at NYE and during the third set I was convinced Trey had relapsed and what we were witnessing was Coventry bad.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Hicks on January 06, 2011, 01:56:04 PM
Quote from: McGrupp on January 06, 2011, 01:53:18 PM
Quote from: thatfargone on January 06, 2011, 12:29:31 PM
Wow Cactus, really twisting what I'm saying huh?  Nothing better to do? Kinda sad. :shakehead:

Matt thanks for actually getting my point and providing some support.  I have meet and raged shows with many of you guys this past year. Everyone here that has spent any amount of time with me knows I fucking love every minute of every show I am at.  Sorry that I'm one of the few that doesn't think that every show is awesome or that I am satisfied with mediocre playing.  Or that just because I ate doses that shit was awesome.

Also realize that I know how fucked up many of you are at shows, there of some of you that have their face in their hands so spun they have no idea what is going.  I have actually been asked by some of you if a set was good or not because you were so spun.  Its easy to enjoy mediocrity and walk out of a show talking about how awesome it was when you don't remember it.  Shit, I ran in to a group of you after this show and all you had to say is how on LSD that 2nd set was awesome...sorry it wasn't, I was spun too.  Many of you seem to think you cannot have fun and be critical at the same time...that some how if you don't fluff a show that you don't belong there or should stay at home.  This is a band that thrived on expectation at one time.

And for the record glowsticks suck and so does yelling at quiet parts, just shows how much less interested the crowd is these days...and Pie Guy, you know damn well things are worse now.  Sure there were assholes in the 90's no doubt about that...but come on, to say its about the same is embarrassing.  The critical listeners are a minority now, so yeah...if me and Matt are in the minority, its because we still expect more and probably listen more and get less fucked up as many of you so we can actually tell if a bad show was bad.  I dose at shows, just not every night like a lot of the kids these days...when you let your mind recover...many of you would realize that things aren't that awesome.

TFG - So...you're trying to tell me that everything isn't better on LSD?

:?

:mrgreen:

Sounds like you've never been to a bullfight on acid.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Festival of Blow Jobs
Post by: qop24 on January 06, 2011, 01:59:29 PM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on January 06, 2011, 01:49:42 PM
i propose this new thread naming scheme  ^^^

I approve.


And I'm def. with Buffalo Budd, yeah I've indulged at a Phish show. Half of them. The other half, maybe one beer was consumed, and no  :smoke:

My g/f has also been with me for every show (15) and has consumed something other than alcohol once.

I know a lot of other people who are the same way, and yeah obviously a lot of people take way too many drugs at shows, but don't tell me it didn't happen 15 years ago. Hell, the band members were wasted at shows then ,and we all know that Trey was all about the dr00gs for a while there.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: McGrupp on January 06, 2011, 02:00:29 PM
Quote from: Hicks on January 06, 2011, 01:56:04 PM
Quote from: McGrupp on January 06, 2011, 01:53:18 PM
Quote from: thatfargone on January 06, 2011, 12:29:31 PM
Wow Cactus, really twisting what I'm saying huh?  Nothing better to do? Kinda sad. :shakehead:

Matt thanks for actually getting my point and providing some support.  I have meet and raged shows with many of you guys this past year. Everyone here that has spent any amount of time with me knows I fucking love every minute of every show I am at.  Sorry that I'm one of the few that doesn't think that every show is awesome or that I am satisfied with mediocre playing.  Or that just because I ate doses that shit was awesome.

Also realize that I know how fucked up many of you are at shows, there of some of you that have their face in their hands so spun they have no idea what is going.  I have actually been asked by some of you if a set was good or not because you were so spun.  Its easy to enjoy mediocrity and walk out of a show talking about how awesome it was when you don't remember it.  Shit, I ran in to a group of you after this show and all you had to say is how on LSD that 2nd set was awesome...sorry it wasn't, I was spun too.  Many of you seem to think you cannot have fun and be critical at the same time...that some how if you don't fluff a show that you don't belong there or should stay at home.  This is a band that thrived on expectation at one time.

And for the record glowsticks suck and so does yelling at quiet parts, just shows how much less interested the crowd is these days...and Pie Guy, you know damn well things are worse now.  Sure there were assholes in the 90's no doubt about that...but come on, to say its about the same is embarrassing.  The critical listeners are a minority now, so yeah...if me and Matt are in the minority, its because we still expect more and probably listen more and get less fucked up as many of you so we can actually tell if a bad show was bad.  I dose at shows, just not every night like a lot of the kids these days...when you let your mind recover...many of you would realize that things aren't that awesome.

TFG - So...you're trying to tell me that everything isn't better on LSD?

:?

:mrgreen:

Sounds like you've never been to a bullfight on acid.

I could totally be into that... I mean, I'm usually way too critical of bullfighters, but with a head full of acid I'm sure I wouldn't notice if they missed a step...

As long as thatfargone is there afterwards to tell me if it was really any good, I'm fine.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Festival of Blow Jobs
Post by: McGrupp on January 06, 2011, 02:01:30 PM
Quote from: qop24 on January 06, 2011, 01:59:29 PM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on January 06, 2011, 01:49:42 PM
i propose this new thread naming scheme  ^^^

I approve.


And I'm def. with Buffalo Budd, yeah I've indulged at a Phish show. Half of them. The other half, maybe one beer was consumed, and no  :smoke:

My g/f has also been with me for every show (15) and has consumed something other than alcohol once.

I know a lot of other people who are the same way, and yeah obviously a lot of people take way too many drugs at shows, but don't tell me it didn't happen 15 years ago. Hell, the band members were wasted at shows then ,and we all know that Trey was all about the dr00gs for a while there.

Trey? Drugs? Noooo....
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Festival of Blow Jobs
Post by: qop24 on January 06, 2011, 02:03:50 PM
Quote from: McGrupp on January 06, 2011, 02:01:30 PM
Quote from: qop24 on January 06, 2011, 01:59:29 PM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on January 06, 2011, 01:49:42 PM
i propose this new thread naming scheme  ^^^

I approve.


And I'm def. with Buffalo Budd, yeah I've indulged at a Phish show. Half of them. The other half, maybe one beer was consumed, and no  :smoke:

My g/f has also been with me for every show (15) and has consumed something other than alcohol once.

I know a lot of other people who are the same way, and yeah obviously a lot of people take way too many drugs at shows, but don't tell me it didn't happen 15 years ago. Hell, the band members were wasted at shows then ,and we all know that Trey was all about the dr00gs for a while there.

Trey? Drugs? Noooo....

shocking, I know

People named Trey never do drugs....
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Festival of Blow Jobs
Post by: McGrupp on January 06, 2011, 02:05:20 PM
Quote from: qop24 on January 06, 2011, 02:03:50 PM
Quote from: McGrupp on January 06, 2011, 02:01:30 PM
Quote from: qop24 on January 06, 2011, 01:59:29 PM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on January 06, 2011, 01:49:42 PM
i propose this new thread naming scheme  ^^^

I approve.


And I'm def. with Buffalo Budd, yeah I've indulged at a Phish show. Half of them. The other half, maybe one beer was consumed, and no  :smoke:

My g/f has also been with me for every show (15) and has consumed something other than alcohol once.

I know a lot of other people who are the same way, and yeah obviously a lot of people take way too many drugs at shows, but don't tell me it didn't happen 15 years ago. Hell, the band members were wasted at shows then ,and we all know that Trey was all about the dr00gs for a while there.

Trey? Drugs? Noooo....

shocking, I know

People named Trey never do drugs....

:lol:
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: rowjimmy on January 06, 2011, 02:19:45 PM
Drugs are illegal.

/just sayin'
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: McGrupp on January 06, 2011, 02:21:22 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on January 06, 2011, 02:19:45 PM
Drugs are illegal.

/just sayin'

RJ comin in with tha FAX!
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Buffalo Budd on January 06, 2011, 02:30:25 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on January 06, 2011, 02:19:45 PM
Drugs are illegal.

/just sayin'
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Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: redrum on January 06, 2011, 02:41:35 PM
here's my question for this thread:

do you think the pause in divided would be as long as it is if the place was silent?
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: qop24 on January 06, 2011, 02:43:18 PM
Quote from: redrum on January 06, 2011, 02:41:35 PM
here's my question for this thread:

do you think the pause in divided would be as long as it is if the place was silent?

louder cheering / more excitement = longer pauses imo

we need a poll!
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: sunrisevt on January 06, 2011, 02:43:58 PM
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Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: PIE-GUY on January 06, 2011, 02:44:26 PM
Quote from: thatfargone on January 06, 2011, 12:29:31 PM
Wow Cactus, really twisting what I'm saying huh?  Nothing better to do? Kinda sad. :shakehead:

Matt thanks for actually getting my point and providing some support.  I have meet and raged shows with many of you guys this past year. Everyone here that has spent any amount of time with me knows I fucking love every minute of every show I am at.  Sorry that I'm one of the few that doesn't think that every show is awesome or that I am satisfied with mediocre playing.  Or that just because I ate doses that shit was awesome.

Also realize that I know how fucked up many of you are at shows, there of some of you that have their face in their hands so spun they have no idea what is going.  I have actually been asked by some of you if a set was good or not because you were so spun.  Its easy to enjoy mediocrity and walk out of a show talking about how awesome it was when you don't remember it.  Shit, I ran in to a group of you after this show and all you had to say is how on LSD that 2nd set was awesome...sorry it wasn't, I was spun too.  Many of you seem to think you cannot have fun and be critical at the same time...that some how if you don't fluff a show that you don't belong there or should stay at home.  This is a band that thrived on expectation at one time.

And for the record glowsticks suck and so does yelling at quiet parts, just shows how much less interested the crowd is these days...and Pie Guy, you know damn well things are worse now.  Sure there were assholes in the 90's no doubt about that...but come on, to say its about the same is embarrassing.  The critical listeners are a minority now, so yeah...if me and Matt are in the minority, its because we still expect more and probably listen more and get less fucked up as many of you so we can actually tell if a bad show was bad.  I dose at shows, just not every night like a lot of the kids these days...when you let your mind recover...many of you would realize that things aren't that awesome.

1. on the point you called me out with: I respectfully disagree. I have seen Phish in 800 person clubs, 1500 person theaters, 5000 person outdoor venues, 20K person arenas and sheds, 50-80K person festivals, you name it. I've also been seeing them for nearly 20 years (starting in 1992) and I truly think you are wrong. The crowd is not worse and the complaints I hear on this board regarding crowds "not listening" I have heard since the very beginning of my days seeing phish. My point is simply that you have to be able to ignore that bullshit and enjoy the show... complaining about it is just like the loud shushers in the old days. Your "SSSHHHHSHSHHSH" is far more annoying than the random "woohoo" when the band wants and needs quiet for an a capella number.

2. I don't think you have to fluff the boys to make a point about how good the shows are these days. None of the shows i have seen in the last 10 years fall into my "top-10 of all time" list. I have no expectation that Phish will play a show that is better than the greats I saw in the mid-90's. That said, I like how they are playing right now. I really do. I like it better than I liked how they were playing between 1998 and 2004. It's what I like. I didn't really care for the predictable wide open 2nd set ambient jam that became Phish's MO in those years. To me it reeked of the predictable "Drums>Space" of the Dead's latter years.

If once every 10 shows a song really opens up and goes into type II mode it is surprising and exciting... and I would be really happy if it was a show I attended. If it starts happening every night, I think I will lose interest.

3. As for drugs at shows, I have taken to tequila as my sole drug at shows these days. I find it keeps me clear headed but loose and "unpredictable." It also allows me to dance without my seriously aging joints screaming in pain.  :wink:
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Hicks on January 06, 2011, 02:46:23 PM
Quote from: redrum on January 06, 2011, 02:41:35 PM
here's my question for this thread:

do you think the pause in divided would be as long as it is if the place was silent?

Dunno, but that would be awesome.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: birdman on January 06, 2011, 02:48:42 PM
WTU to PG "Good for you"
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: PIE-GUY on January 06, 2011, 02:49:47 PM
Quote from: birdman on January 06, 2011, 02:48:42 PM
WTU to PG "Good for you"

NYE notwithstanding...   :angel:
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: McGrupp on January 06, 2011, 02:55:12 PM
Quote from: PIE-GUY on January 06, 2011, 02:44:26 PM
It also allows me to dance without my seriously aging joints screaming in pain.  :wink:

Walking downstairs < Walking upstairs, right?  :wink:

Quote from: birdman on January 06, 2011, 02:48:42 PM
WTU to PG "Good for you"

:hereitisyousentimentalbastard

One of WTU's top 3 quotes of the week.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: WhatstheUse? on January 06, 2011, 02:59:24 PM
Quote from: McGrupp on January 06, 2011, 02:55:12 PM
Quote from: birdman on January 06, 2011, 02:48:42 PM
WTU to PG "Good for you"

:hereitisyousentimentalbastard

One of WTU's top 3 quotes of the week.
:hereitisyousentimentalbastard :hereitisyousentimentalbastard :hereitisyousentimentalbastard

"Are they jamming?"
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: PIE-GUY on January 06, 2011, 03:00:34 PM
Quote from: McGrupp on January 06, 2011, 02:55:12 PM
Quote from: PIE-GUY on January 06, 2011, 02:44:26 PM
It also allows me to dance without my seriously aging joints screaming in pain.  :wink:

Walking downstairs < Walking upstairs, right?  :wink:

Quote from: birdman on January 06, 2011, 02:48:42 PM
WTU to PG "Good for you"

:hereitisyousentimentalbastard

One of WTU's top 3 quotes of the week.

up there with "That Kill Devil Falls was rockin'!"
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: McGrupp on January 06, 2011, 03:02:28 PM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on January 06, 2011, 02:59:24 PM
Quote from: McGrupp on January 06, 2011, 02:55:12 PM
Quote from: birdman on January 06, 2011, 02:48:42 PM
WTU to PG "Good for you"

:hereitisyousentimentalbastard

One of WTU's top 3 quotes of the week.
:hereitisyousentimentalbastard :hereitisyousentimentalbastard :hereitisyousentimentalbastard

"Are they jamming?"

On 12/27 during the end of Cool It Down...

WTU: Are they jamming?  :wtu:
Phish: ::abruptly ends song::  :tte:

Epic timing - drummers have it.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: JPhishman on January 06, 2011, 03:03:40 PM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on January 06, 2011, 02:59:24 PM
Quote from: McGrupp on January 06, 2011, 02:55:12 PM
Quote from: birdman on January 06, 2011, 02:48:42 PM
WTU to PG "Good for you"

:hereitisyousentimentalbastard

One of WTU's top 3 quotes of the week.
:hereitisyousentimentalbastard :hereitisyousentimentalbastard :hereitisyousentimentalbastard

"Are they jamming?"

:hereitisyousentimentalbastard

and "Tell the paug! Add it to the legacy!"

The funny part is, for those you that haven't heard yet, what he wanted to add to the legacy is that he knows they are gonna play Heavy Things when Trey starts the one-note loop. 

:hereitisyousentimentalbastard

Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: McGrupp on January 06, 2011, 03:05:14 PM
The LEGACY!
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: JPhishman on January 06, 2011, 03:09:48 PM
Quote from: McGrupp on January 06, 2011, 03:02:28 PM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on January 06, 2011, 02:59:24 PM
Quote from: McGrupp on January 06, 2011, 02:55:12 PM
Quote from: birdman on January 06, 2011, 02:48:42 PM
WTU to PG "Good for you"

:hereitisyousentimentalbastard

One of WTU's top 3 quotes of the week.
:hereitisyousentimentalbastard :hereitisyousentimentalbastard :hereitisyousentimentalbastard

"Are they jamming?"

On 12/27 during the end of Cool It Down...

WTU: Are they jamming?  :wtu:
Phish: ::abruptly ends song::  :tte:

Epic timing - drummers have it.

"Don't ask questions like that Scott"
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: WhatstheUse? on January 06, 2011, 03:12:00 PM
The people need to know...
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: sophist on January 06, 2011, 03:25:15 PM
I love how Joe tries to bring the hetty status.  Dude only saw 18 1.0 shows, the remainder (50 something total have all been 3.0 shows).  Yes, I'm pulling stats.  Joe, we're friends, but in this instance, I am seriously telling you to fuck off.  You sound like a pretentious douche.  You want to remain my friend, don't talk down to me about my experience or my opinion. 

Yes, I said that Tweezer was awesome on acid because it was a very psychedelic Tweezer.  It's known fact that you don't like psychedelic music.  Your opinion isn't a fact num nuts.  I was on high on drugs so I'm wrong? but you were also high on drugs and somehow right?  Laugh out fucking loud.  I'm going to need to see the logic chart on that one bud.    You preach to all of us, but at the same time it's fucking laughable how you walk around like you've read the fucking braphecy and seem to know the best Phish.  You don't.  I don't care when you saw your first show, 18 1.0 shows isn't shit. 

I'll even point out here how I've schooled your ass on many occasions with regard to music, the most hilarious being Animal Collective.  Oh how fucking wrong you were on that.  Just like you're wrong here.  It's okay, I know you won't ever listen to this show again, so the point of discussing this is moot with you. 

Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: sophist on January 06, 2011, 03:27:44 PM
Quote from: PIE-GUY on January 06, 2011, 02:49:47 PM
Quote from: birdman on January 06, 2011, 02:48:42 PM
WTU to PG "Good for you"

NYE notwithstanding...   :angel:
I forgot about that.  Fucking epic quote. 
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: qop24 on January 06, 2011, 03:30:45 PM
Ima need more popcorn.


This thread is seriously delivering.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Buffalo Budd on January 06, 2011, 03:32:23 PM
Quote from: birdman on January 06, 2011, 02:48:42 PM
WTU to PG "Good for you"
:hereitisyousentimentalbastard
That's hilarious.

And 'mmmmmmmmm, tequila'.  Any preference there PG?  Are you a Patron connoiseur or straight up Cuervo guy?
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: nab on January 06, 2011, 03:37:34 PM
Quote from: qop24 on January 06, 2011, 03:30:45 PM
Ima need more popcorn.


This thread is seriously delivering.


(http://1389blog.com/pix/alarmed-popcorn-smiley.png)






I do believe that this run has started the airing of grievances at the 'paug. 
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: qop24 on January 06, 2011, 03:40:18 PM
Quote from: Abraham Lincoln
"Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure."
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: antelope19 on January 06, 2011, 03:42:02 PM
Quote from: nab on January 06, 2011, 03:37:34 PM
Quote from: qop24 on January 06, 2011, 03:30:45 PM
Ima need more popcorn.


This thread is seriously delivering.


(http://1389blog.com/pix/alarmed-popcorn-smiley.png)






I do believe that this run has started the airing of grievances at the 'paug.

I GOT ALOT OF PROBLEMS WITH YOU PEOPLE!!!!!
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: PIE-GUY on January 06, 2011, 03:55:12 PM
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on January 06, 2011, 03:32:23 PM
Quote from: birdman on January 06, 2011, 02:48:42 PM
WTU to PG "Good for you"
:hereitisyousentimentalbastard
That's hilarious.

And 'mmmmmmmmm, tequila'.  Any preference there PG?  Are you a Patron connoiseur or straight up Cuervo guy?

My first choice is always Herradura Blanco (silver), but I will settle for Patron Silver in it's absence.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Buffalo Budd on January 06, 2011, 03:56:42 PM
Quote from: PIE-GUY on January 06, 2011, 03:55:12 PM
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on January 06, 2011, 03:32:23 PM
Quote from: birdman on January 06, 2011, 02:48:42 PM
WTU to PG "Good for you"
:hereitisyousentimentalbastard
That's hilarious.

And 'mmmmmmmmm, tequila'.  Any preference there PG?  Are you a Patron connoiseur or straight up Cuervo guy?

My first choice is always Herradura Blanco (silver), but I will settle for Patron Silver in it's absence.
I can't get Herradura around here but have tried it once.  I'm sure your selection of Tequila is quite a bit larger in Texas.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: sophist on January 06, 2011, 04:01:39 PM
I'm listening to this Tweezer again, and it's even better than I remember (I'm sober now too).  The interplay is great.  Trey shows more patience here then he has almost all of 3.0.  The way Page fills the gap between the beats is kind of 95 esque.  It's in 4/4, but they're playing with the sub beats of this.  This isn't something they've really done at all in 3.0.  I really like how Trey hammers on the chords with the volume and tremello.  It's got this pulsing feel to it.  Shit's dope to me. 
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: PIE-GUY on January 06, 2011, 04:05:08 PM
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on January 06, 2011, 03:56:42 PM
Quote from: PIE-GUY on January 06, 2011, 03:55:12 PM
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on January 06, 2011, 03:32:23 PM
Quote from: birdman on January 06, 2011, 02:48:42 PM
WTU to PG "Good for you"
:hereitisyousentimentalbastard
That's hilarious.

And 'mmmmmmmmm, tequila'.  Any preference there PG?  Are you a Patron connoiseur or straight up Cuervo guy?

My first choice is always Herradura Blanco (silver), but I will settle for Patron Silver in it's absence.
I can't get Herradura around here but have tried it once.  I'm sure your selection of Tequila is quite a bit larger in Texas.

Depends where you go, but no bar around here is without at least the basics. A good bar has at least 10+ tequilas to choose from. Most Mexican places have many more than that.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Hicks on January 06, 2011, 04:07:24 PM
Quote from: sophist on January 06, 2011, 04:01:39 PM
I'm listening to this Tweezer again, and it's even better than I remember (I'm sober now too).  The interplay is great.  Trey shows more patience here then he has almost all of 3.0.  The way Page fills the gap between the beats is kind of 95 esque.  It's in 4/4, but they're playing with the sub beats of this.  This isn't something they've really done at all in 3.0.  I really like how Trey hammers on the chords with the volume and tremello.  It's got this pulsing feel to it.  Shit's dope to me.

That's funny, I just listened to it again and I thought it was pretty good, but not great.

The Ghost from NYE definitely crushes it in my book.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: JPhishman on January 06, 2011, 04:11:23 PM
Quote from: Hicks on January 06, 2011, 04:07:24 PM
Quote from: sophist on January 06, 2011, 04:01:39 PM
I'm listening to this Tweezer again, and it's even better than I remember (I'm sober now too).  The interplay is great.  Trey shows more patience here then he has almost all of 3.0.  The way Page fills the gap between the beats is kind of 95 esque.  It's in 4/4, but they're playing with the sub beats of this.  This isn't something they've really done at all in 3.0.  I really like how Trey hammers on the chords with the volume and tremello.  It's got this pulsing feel to it.  Shit's dope to me.

That's funny, I just listened to it again and I thought it was pretty good, but not great.

The Ghost from NYE definitely crushes it in my book.

Yeah I've listened to it prob 4-5 times and I don't find it to be all that enthralling.  :| Wish I did.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: G. Augusto on January 06, 2011, 04:13:22 PM
Quote from: sophist on January 06, 2011, 03:25:15 PMDude only saw 18 1.0 shows

LoL
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: redrum on January 06, 2011, 04:13:28 PM
so what have we learned so far?

glowsticks: bad
silence: good
drugs: illegal
blowjob fest: always good
thread: delivering
wtu legacy: lives on
"your opinion": wrong
"my opinion": right

am i missing anything here?
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: G. Augusto on January 06, 2011, 04:14:09 PM
Quote from: redrum on January 06, 2011, 04:13:28 PM
so what have we learned so far?

glowsticks: bad
silence: good
drugs: illegal
blowjob fest: always good
thread: delivering
wtu legacy: lives on
"your opinion": wrong
"my opinion": right

am i missing anything here?

18 1.0 shows.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: redrum on January 06, 2011, 04:15:54 PM
 :hereitisyousentimentalbastard
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: JPhishman on January 06, 2011, 04:16:22 PM
Quote from: redrum on January 06, 2011, 04:13:28 PM
so what have we learned so far?

glowsticks: bad
silence: good
drugs: illegal
blowjob fest: always good
thread: delivering
wtu legacy: lives on
"your opinion": wrong
"my opinion": right

am i missing anything here?

:hereitisyousentimentalbastard  :clap:
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: antelope19 on January 06, 2011, 04:19:17 PM
Quote from: redrum on January 06, 2011, 04:13:28 PM
so what have we learned so far?

glowsticks: bad
silence: good
drugs: illegal
blowjob fest: always good
thread: delivering
wtu legacy: lives on
"your opinion": wrong
"my opinion": right

am i missing anything here?

Thank you for the Cliffs Notes.   :-D
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: qop24 on January 06, 2011, 04:27:51 PM
Quote from: redrum on January 06, 2011, 04:13:28 PM
so what have we learned so far?

glowsticks: bad
silence: good
drugs: illegal
blowjob fest: always good
thread: delivering
wtu legacy: lives on
"your opinion": wrong
"my opinion": right

am i missing anything here?


fun: bad



can't forget that one, that started it all
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: birdman on January 06, 2011, 04:38:29 PM
Quote from: redrum on January 06, 2011, 04:13:28 PM
so what have we learned so far?

glowsticks: bad
silence: good
drugs: illegal
blowjob fest: always good
thread: delivering
wtu legacy: lives on
"your opinion": wrong
"my opinion": right

am i missing anything here?

You forgot Ugly, Lazy, and Disrespectful.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: mbw on January 06, 2011, 04:47:20 PM
Quote from: birdman on January 06, 2011, 04:38:29 PM
Quote from: redrum on January 06, 2011, 04:13:28 PM
so what have we learned so far?

glowsticks: bad
silence: good
drugs: illegal
blowjob fest: always good
thread: delivering
wtu legacy: lives on
"your opinion": wrong
"my opinion": right

am i missing anything here?

You forgot Ugly, Lazy, and Disrespectful.

Shut up bitch, go fix me a turkey pot pie!
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: PIE-GUY on January 06, 2011, 04:59:00 PM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on January 06, 2011, 04:47:20 PM
Quote from: birdman on January 06, 2011, 04:38:29 PM
Quote from: redrum on January 06, 2011, 04:13:28 PM
so what have we learned so far?

glowsticks: bad
silence: good
drugs: illegal
blowjob fest: always good
thread: delivering
wtu legacy: lives on
"your opinion": wrong
"my opinion": right

am i missing anything here?

You forgot Ugly, Lazy, and Disrespectful.

Shut up bitch, go fix me a turkey pot pie!

mmmm... pie...
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: WhatstheUse? on January 06, 2011, 05:40:45 PM
I really enjoy the latter half of this Tweezer jam.  Good interplay, good listening, good music.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: cactusfan on January 06, 2011, 06:43:27 PM
mmm, pie...

so, right. was this a thread about a show?

mostly i hang around here for the blowjobs, but speaking of the tweezer, i think it's pretty good. there's a nice groove they find there for awhile. yet what i don't like is the feeling that it ends early. which is kind of odd, since it's plenty long, and there are many great tweezers shorter than this one. it's just that these days it often seems that no matter the length of the jam, they're not sure where it goes. and then it ends. and it doesn't have the feel of the best jams, which when they're over you feel like you've heard something with a beginning, middle and end.

this may sound crazy, but a really good '10 tweezer is the one from 6/26. which at the time we were deep in the middle of all whale, all the time, so i think it passed everyone by. but now that you've not listened to any whale for months, check this one out. if you imagine trey had just busted out the whale for this one song, it actually works as an unusual effect. and there's a nice build and a real ending.

Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: McGrupp on January 06, 2011, 06:47:02 PM
Quote from: cactusfan on January 06, 2011, 06:43:27 PM
this may sound crazy, but a really good '10 tweezer is the one from 6/26. which at the time we were deep in the middle of all whale, all the time, so i think it passed everyone by. but now that you've not listened to any whale for months, check this one out. if you imagine trey had just busted out the whale for this one song, it actually works as an unusual effect. and there's a nice build and a real ending.

I've never bothered trying to bring up this tweezer, mainly because of the amount of hatred for this show (what is it with 3.0 and MPP?) - but yes, I've always thought of this as a pretty good (and psychedelic) tweezer.

Picture me, somewhere near the back of the lawn at MPP, cross legged and pulling grass out of the ground, with a grimace across my face, for 17 minutes. That was this tweezer for me.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: G. Augusto on January 06, 2011, 06:48:40 PM
My favorite version of 46 Days is from Merriweather 2010.
Full of whale, but still one of my favorite 3.0 jams.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: McGrupp on January 06, 2011, 06:55:39 PM
Quote from: G. Augusto on January 06, 2011, 06:48:40 PM
My favorite version of 46 Days is from Merriweather 2010.
Full of whale, but still one of my favorite 3.0 jams.

It's a good one.

http://week4paug.net/the-ophishial-week4paug-net-show-club/round-eleven-sign-up-now!/msg532192/#msg532192 (http://week4paug.net/the-ophishial-week4paug-net-show-club/round-eleven-sign-up-now!/msg532192/#msg532192)

edit to add: link-fail... copy/paste?
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: sophist on January 06, 2011, 06:56:11 PM
Quote from: McGrupp on January 06, 2011, 06:47:02 PM
Quote from: cactusfan on January 06, 2011, 06:43:27 PM
this may sound crazy, but a really good '10 tweezer is the one from 6/26. which at the time we were deep in the middle of all whale, all the time, so i think it passed everyone by. but now that you've not listened to any whale for months, check this one out. if you imagine trey had just busted out the whale for this one song, it actually works as an unusual effect. and there's a nice build and a real ending.

I've never bothered trying to bring up this tweezer, mainly because of the amount of hatred for this show (what is it with 3.0 and MPP?) - but yes, I've always thought of this as a pretty good (and psychedelic) tweezer.

Picture me, somewhere near the back of the lawn at MPP, cross legged and pulling grass out of the ground, with a grimace across my face, for 17 minutes. That was this tweezer for me.
I distinctly remember you, Scott, Blat, and I blaring it post show around 2am and thinking it sounded even better than at the show. 

I also remember that a week later at Alpharetta Scott and I were calling the Alpharetta one the sister version to this one. 
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: McGrupp on January 06, 2011, 06:57:33 PM
Quote from: sophist on January 06, 2011, 06:56:11 PM
Quote from: McGrupp on January 06, 2011, 06:47:02 PM
Quote from: cactusfan on January 06, 2011, 06:43:27 PM
this may sound crazy, but a really good '10 tweezer is the one from 6/26. which at the time we were deep in the middle of all whale, all the time, so i think it passed everyone by. but now that you've not listened to any whale for months, check this one out. if you imagine trey had just busted out the whale for this one song, it actually works as an unusual effect. and there's a nice build and a real ending.

I've never bothered trying to bring up this tweezer, mainly because of the amount of hatred for this show (what is it with 3.0 and MPP?) - but yes, I've always thought of this as a pretty good (and psychedelic) tweezer.

Picture me, somewhere near the back of the lawn at MPP, cross legged and pulling grass out of the ground, with a grimace across my face, for 17 minutes. That was this tweezer for me.
I distinctly remember you, Scott, Blat, and I blaring it post show around 2am and thinking it sounded even better than at the show. 

I also remember that a week later at Alpharetta Scott and I were calling the Alpharetta one the sister version to this one.

Was me at MPP this summer the first instance of anyone getting "conductor'd"?
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: sophist on January 06, 2011, 07:06:08 PM
Quote from: McGrupp on January 06, 2011, 06:57:33 PM
Quote from: sophist on January 06, 2011, 06:56:11 PM
Quote from: McGrupp on January 06, 2011, 06:47:02 PM
Quote from: cactusfan on January 06, 2011, 06:43:27 PM
this may sound crazy, but a really good '10 tweezer is the one from 6/26. which at the time we were deep in the middle of all whale, all the time, so i think it passed everyone by. but now that you've not listened to any whale for months, check this one out. if you imagine trey had just busted out the whale for this one song, it actually works as an unusual effect. and there's a nice build and a real ending.

I've never bothered trying to bring up this tweezer, mainly because of the amount of hatred for this show (what is it with 3.0 and MPP?) - but yes, I've always thought of this as a pretty good (and psychedelic) tweezer.

Picture me, somewhere near the back of the lawn at MPP, cross legged and pulling grass out of the ground, with a grimace across my face, for 17 minutes. That was this tweezer for me.
I distinctly remember you, Scott, Blat, and I blaring it post show around 2am and thinking it sounded even better than at the show. 

I also remember that a week later at Alpharetta Scott and I were calling the Alpharetta one the sister version to this one.

Was me at MPP this summer the first instance of anyone getting "conductor'd"?
Yes.  You were # 1 and the person to coin the nickname and the verbage.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Revi
Post by: Buffalo Budd on January 06, 2011, 07:08:35 PM
Quote from: cactusfan on January 06, 2011, 06:43:27 PM

mostly i hang around here for the blowjobs,
Seeing as this board is made up of 99.5% males, I'm disturbed by this comment.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Revi
Post by: kellerb on January 06, 2011, 09:40:53 PM
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on January 06, 2011, 07:08:35 PM
Quote from: cactusfan on January 06, 2011, 06:43:27 PM

mostly i hang around here for the blowjobs,
Seeing as this board is made up of 99.5% males, I'm disturbed by this comment.

I have more bad news for you.  It's your turn.  Sunrise will show you to your station.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Revi
Post by: Buffalo Budd on January 06, 2011, 09:51:31 PM
 :crazy:
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Revi
Post by: Lifeboy on January 06, 2011, 10:30:42 PM
Quote from: kellerb on January 06, 2011, 09:40:53 PM
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on January 06, 2011, 07:08:35 PM
Quote from: cactusfan on January 06, 2011, 06:43:27 PM

mostly i hang around here for the blowjobs,
Seeing as this board is made up of 99.5% males, I'm disturbed by this comment.

I have more bad news for you.  It's your turn.  Sunrise will show you to your station.

:hereitisyousentimentalbastard
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: blatboom on January 06, 2011, 10:49:19 PM
Quote from: sophist on January 06, 2011, 06:56:11 PM
Quote from: McGrupp on January 06, 2011, 06:47:02 PM
Quote from: cactusfan on January 06, 2011, 06:43:27 PM
this may sound crazy, but a really good '10 tweezer is the one from 6/26. which at the time we were deep in the middle of all whale, all the time, so i think it passed everyone by. but now that you've not listened to any whale for months, check this one out. if you imagine trey had just busted out the whale for this one song, it actually works as an unusual effect. and there's a nice build and a real ending.

I've never bothered trying to bring up this tweezer, mainly because of the amount of hatred for this show (what is it with 3.0 and MPP?) - but yes, I've always thought of this as a pretty good (and psychedelic) tweezer.

Picture me, somewhere near the back of the lawn at MPP, cross legged and pulling grass out of the ground, with a grimace across my face, for 17 minutes. That was this tweezer for me.
I distinctly remember you, Scott, Blat, and I blaring it post show around 2am and thinking it sounded even better than at the show. 

I also remember that a week later at Alpharetta Scott and I were calling the Alpharetta one the sister version to this one.

lol, I just kept wanting to hear like the first 10 seconds of that Tweezer jam.  nastay
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: susep on January 06, 2011, 11:15:45 PM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on January 06, 2011, 05:40:45 PM
I really enjoy the latter half of this Tweezer jam.  Good interplay, good listening, good music.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: WhatstheUse? on January 07, 2011, 03:09:55 AM
Quote from: blatboom on January 06, 2011, 10:49:19 PM
Quote from: sophist on January 06, 2011, 06:56:11 PM
Quote from: McGrupp on January 06, 2011, 06:47:02 PM
Quote from: cactusfan on January 06, 2011, 06:43:27 PM
this may sound crazy, but a really good '10 tweezer is the one from 6/26. which at the time we were deep in the middle of all whale, all the time, so i think it passed everyone by. but now that you've not listened to any whale for months, check this one out. if you imagine trey had just busted out the whale for this one song, it actually works as an unusual effect. and there's a nice build and a real ending.

I've never bothered trying to bring up this tweezer, mainly because of the amount of hatred for this show (what is it with 3.0 and MPP?) - but yes, I've always thought of this as a pretty good (and psychedelic) tweezer.

Picture me, somewhere near the back of the lawn at MPP, cross legged and pulling grass out of the ground, with a grimace across my face, for 17 minutes. That was this tweezer for me.
I distinctly remember you, Scott, Blat, and I blaring it post show around 2am and thinking it sounded even better than at the show. 

I also remember that a week later at Alpharetta Scott and I were calling the Alpharetta one the sister version to this one.

lol, I just kept wanting to hear like the first 10 seconds of that Tweezer jam.  nastay

lol.  That 94ish evil Trey riff that he plays once, then abandons!!!
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: McGrupp on January 07, 2011, 03:12:23 AM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on January 07, 2011, 03:09:55 AM
Quote from: blatboom on January 06, 2011, 10:49:19 PM
Quote from: sophist on January 06, 2011, 06:56:11 PM
Quote from: McGrupp on January 06, 2011, 06:47:02 PM
Quote from: cactusfan on January 06, 2011, 06:43:27 PM
this may sound crazy, but a really good '10 tweezer is the one from 6/26. which at the time we were deep in the middle of all whale, all the time, so i think it passed everyone by. but now that you've not listened to any whale for months, check this one out. if you imagine trey had just busted out the whale for this one song, it actually works as an unusual effect. and there's a nice build and a real ending.

I've never bothered trying to bring up this tweezer, mainly because of the amount of hatred for this show (what is it with 3.0 and MPP?) - but yes, I've always thought of this as a pretty good (and psychedelic) tweezer.

Picture me, somewhere near the back of the lawn at MPP, cross legged and pulling grass out of the ground, with a grimace across my face, for 17 minutes. That was this tweezer for me.
I distinctly remember you, Scott, Blat, and I blaring it post show around 2am and thinking it sounded even better than at the show. 

I also remember that a week later at Alpharetta Scott and I were calling the Alpharetta one the sister version to this one.

lol, I just kept wanting to hear like the first 10 seconds of that Tweezer jam.  nastay

lol.  That 94ish evil Trey riff that he plays once, then abandons!!!

so dirty and evil.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: rowjimmy on January 07, 2011, 08:01:43 AM
I listened to the Tweezer from this show on 12/31 as I drove to see my Mother for her birthday. the kids were asleep in the back seats and it's a nice country drive so I was able to zone out to it. I liked the groove the lock on to but I want more motion from my Tweezers.I decided that it was 'ok' but was probably a ton of fun at the show and really good for dancing- especially if on illegal drugs.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Buffalo Budd on January 07, 2011, 08:15:12 AM
Quote from: rowjimmy on January 07, 2011, 08:01:43 AM
I listened to the Tweezer from this show on 12/31 as I drove to see my Mother for her birthday. the kids were asleep in the back seats and it's a nice country drive so I was able to zone out to it. I liked the groove the lock on to but I want more motion from my Tweezers.I decided that it was 'ok' but was probably a ton of fun at the show and really good for dancing- especially if on illegal drugs.
:wtu:
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: thatfargone on January 07, 2011, 01:55:00 PM
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on January 06, 2011, 01:44:41 PM
  Like it for what it is or just stay home for the love of God.

Seriously is that really what all our discussions about shows is going to be about, like it or leave it??? 

I'm not going to comment about anyone's specific drug use, and haven't  Some use too much, this is a fact....many that use too much would even admit it.  Hell, at my age and situation...even I can admit I have too much fun for what would be considered a "contributing member of society"  But, when it seems to be basis of show reviews over the music, it's pretty sad.  Shouldn't we discuss music first and partying 2nd if thats how we all say we approach this band?  Shit, re-read the actual music discussion about this show...the people that like it barely have anything to say and the reasons for being critical of this show are abundant.  Yet, here we are talking about drugs and fans which seems to be the dividing line on peoples thoughts on this show.  That is sad.  We used to be able to decide how good shows were on how well they played, not the amount of drugs in our heads at the show.  Didn't we? :|
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: sophist on January 07, 2011, 01:59:27 PM
Your brought the habits of other people into this, not us.  That makes a difference.  When you use the actions of people as justifications for your own arguments, it's going to spark this sort of conversation.  Clearly you can see that your "point" is a product of your own actions and not a true reflection of the scene. 
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: qop24 on January 07, 2011, 02:02:12 PM
^^ beat me to it
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Buffalo Budd on January 07, 2011, 02:13:44 PM
I kinda knew that was gonna be the one phrase out of my rebuttal that you were gonna take offense to.  Look, I really don't care if you go to every show in 3.0.  All I'm pointing out is how ridiculous it seems when you rip on 98% of the shows that you pay hard earned money to attend.  And then go on to say that the rest of us are too f#@!ed up to know the difference between good music and slop.  I'm trying to tell you, don't bother going to shows if you're expecting to hear Phish in their prime.  They're just not there and may never be.  Appreciate them for what they are.  You obviously think they're good enough to spend thousands of dollars criss-crossing the country catching shows.  It really blows my mind.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: sophist on January 07, 2011, 02:17:30 PM
I'd also add that a lot of the drug talk in this thread is people joking around.  I can say with the utmost certainty that the people I saw all three nights with couldn't of given two shits if they walked in sober or walked in spun.  No one around me went hunting for drugs or took time away from the show to find drugs.  So stop acting like Phish dropped off a bunch tickets at a crack house and a bunch of addicts showed up. 
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: Bobafett on January 07, 2011, 02:36:18 PM
throw the crack in the pool and watch em squirm!
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: WhatstheUse? on January 07, 2011, 03:00:24 PM
Joe, you crack me up.  :hereitisyousentimentalbastard
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: tet on January 07, 2011, 03:56:51 PM
well, i loved this show - the Tweezer was ripping, as was pretty much everything else.  not the most technically-perfect show in history, but the vibe, energy, and song choices were fantastic.

here are some shots from my INSANELY good seats:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/dan_s/sets/72157625716429076/with/5310895044/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dan_s/sets/72157625716429076/with/5310895044/)
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: willsteele on January 07, 2011, 04:46:16 PM
Quote from: tet on January 07, 2011, 03:56:51 PM
well, i loved this show - the Tweezer was ripping, as was pretty much everything else.  not the most technically-perfect show in history, but the vibe, energy, and song choices were fantastic.

here are some shots from my INSANELY good seats:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/dan_s/sets/72157625716429076/with/5310895044/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dan_s/sets/72157625716429076/with/5310895044/)

Fuck those are nice.  Good pics yo.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: gainesvillegreen on January 07, 2011, 05:20:14 PM
Quote from: tet on January 07, 2011, 03:56:51 PM
well, i loved this show - the Tweezer was ripping, as was pretty much everything else.  not the most technically-perfect show in history, but the vibe, energy, and song choices were fantastic.

here are some shots from my INSANELY good seats:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/dan_s/sets/72157625716429076/with/5310895044/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dan_s/sets/72157625716429076/with/5310895044/)

Nice tet. Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: cactusfan on January 07, 2011, 05:21:11 PM
Quote from: thatfargone on January 07, 2011, 01:55:00 PM
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on January 06, 2011, 01:44:41 PM
  Like it for what it is or just stay home for the love of God.

Seriously is that really what all our discussions about shows is going to be about, like it or leave it??? 

I'm not going to comment about anyone's specific drug use, and haven't  Some use too much, this is a fact....many that use too much would even admit it.  Hell, at my age and situation...even I can admit I have too much fun for what would be considered a "contributing member of society"  But, when it seems to be basis of show reviews over the music, it's pretty sad.  Shouldn't we discuss music first and partying 2nd if thats how we all say we approach this band?  Shit, re-read the actual music discussion about this show...the people that like it barely have anything to say and the reasons for being critical of this show are abundant.  Yet, here we are talking about drugs and fans which seems to be the dividing line on peoples thoughts on this show.  That is sad.  We used to be able to decide how good shows were on how well they played, not the amount of drugs in our heads at the show.  Didn't we? :|

:?

i'd love to know from what planet you're sending these dispatches.

anyhow, i give up responding.

back to the blowjobs!
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: tet on January 07, 2011, 05:21:51 PM
Quote from: cactusfan on January 07, 2011, 05:21:11 PM
Quote from: thatfargone on January 07, 2011, 01:55:00 PM
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on January 06, 2011, 01:44:41 PM
  Like it for what it is or just stay home for the love of God.

Seriously is that really what all our discussions about shows is going to be about, like it or leave it??? 

I'm not going to comment about anyone's specific drug use, and haven't  Some use too much, this is a fact....many that use too much would even admit it.  Hell, at my age and situation...even I can admit I have too much fun for what would be considered a "contributing member of society"  But, when it seems to be basis of show reviews over the music, it's pretty sad.  Shouldn't we discuss music first and partying 2nd if thats how we all say we approach this band?  Shit, re-read the actual music discussion about this show...the people that like it barely have anything to say and the reasons for being critical of this show are abundant.  Yet, here we are talking about drugs and fans which seems to be the dividing line on peoples thoughts on this show.  That is sad.  We used to be able to decide how good shows were on how well they played, not the amount of drugs in our heads at the show.  Didn't we? :|

:?

i'd love to know from what planet you're sending these dispatches.

anyhow, i give up responding.

back to the blowjobs!

give him a break... he didn't know that he was thatfargone...
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: McGrupp on January 07, 2011, 07:25:33 PM
I'd like to reiterate what Ramsay said - most of the "drug talk" on this board is purely joking, or reminiscing of good times had at shows. Joe, do you really think that the music is not the reason we're all here, on this forum?

Sure, phish shows are a blast, and quite the party. Hell, maybe you and mattstick would like it if everyone was quiet and sitting down the entire show, but I'll be the first to admit that I love every aspect of the phish scene - the people, the smells, the noises, the chatter around me, yes the drugs too.

The music? That's a given for me. Isn't that obvious? Do I have to sit down and analyze each show to prove to you (or other fans) that I'm worthy? Sure, we have probably all taken the party a little too far at times. Sure, I probably also do too many drugs. And yes, I do think that drugs enhance the music (but are absolutely not necessary).

Jeez, see now I feel like I'm defending my god-given right to put whatever the fuck I want to in my body. I shouldn't have to defend that, OR my status as a "dedicated fan" - to ANYONE. Because phish is my fucking sanctuary. It's my happy place. I know you understand this, Joe. So what's the problem here? Daddy issues? Don't make me go all psych-major on your ass.  :wink:

Anyway, I guess my main point is that if you think I or anyone else that you have met from this board and chilled with are at phish shows for the "wrong reasons", you need to get to know us better.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Revi
Post by: Buffalo Budd on January 07, 2011, 07:32:42 PM
Quote from: tet on January 07, 2011, 03:56:51 PM
well, i loved this show - the Tweezer was ripping, as was pretty much everything else.  not the most technically-perfect show in history, but the vibe, energy, and song choices were fantastic.

here are some shots from my INSANELY good seats:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/dan_s/sets/72157625716429076/with/5310895044/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dan_s/sets/72157625716429076/with/5310895044/)
Nice shots tet +K
In fact, making that Mike and Trey bromance shot my avatar.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: willsteele on January 07, 2011, 09:35:46 PM
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on January 07, 2011, 07:32:42 PM
Quote from: tet on January 07, 2011, 03:56:51 PM
well, i loved this show - the Tweezer was ripping, as was pretty much everything else.  not the most technically-perfect show in history, but the vibe, energy, and song choices were fantastic.

here are some shots from my INSANELY good seats:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/dan_s/sets/72157625716429076/with/5310895044/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dan_s/sets/72157625716429076/with/5310895044/)
Nice shots tet +K
In fact, making that Mike and Trey bromance shot my avatar.

Its a very tender moment.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: sunrisevt on January 08, 2011, 08:25:56 AM
Quote from: thatfargone on January 07, 2011, 01:55:00 PM
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on January 06, 2011, 01:44:41 PM
  Like it for what it is or just stay home for the love of God.

Seriously is that really what all our discussions about shows is going to be about, like it or leave it??? 

I'm not going to comment about anyone's specific drug use, and haven't  Some use too much, this is a fact....many that use too much would even admit it.  Hell, at my age and situation...even I can admit I have too much fun for what would be considered a "contributing member of society"  But, when it seems to be basis of show reviews over the music, it's pretty sad.  Shouldn't we discuss music first and partying 2nd if thats how we all say we approach this band?  Shit, re-read the actual music discussion about this show...the people that like it barely have anything to say and the reasons for being critical of this show are abundant.  Yet, here we are talking about drugs and fans which seems to be the dividing line on peoples thoughts on this show.  That is sad.  We used to be able to decide how good shows were on how well they played, not the amount of drugs in our heads at the show.  Didn't we? :|

First, THIS:
Quote from: sophist on January 07, 2011, 01:59:27 PM
Your brought the habits of other people into this, not us.  That makes a difference.  When you use the actions of people as justifications for your own arguments, it's going to spark this sort of conversation.  Clearly you can see that your "point" is a product of your own actions and not a true reflection of the scene. 

And now, I'll also point out that you told us that the actions of the audience (the 'paug "fluffers" being the chief culprits) are a major factor in the band not pushing themselves, resting on their laurels, whatever the fuck it is you're so sure they're doing instead of what you KNOW they should be doing. Now you complain about the topic of conversation you started.


thatfargone, lol.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: WhatstheUse? on January 08, 2011, 02:40:00 PM
Quote from: McGrupp on January 07, 2011, 07:25:33 PM
if you think I or anyone else that you have met from this board and chilled with are at phish shows for the "wrong reasons", you need to get to know us better.

Seriously.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: antelope19 on January 08, 2011, 02:43:58 PM
Quote from: McGrupp on January 07, 2011, 07:25:33 PM
I'd like to reiterate what Ramsay said - most of the "drug talk" on this board is purely joking, or reminiscing of good times had at shows. Joe, do you really think that the music is not the reason we're all here, on this forum?

Sure, phish shows are a blast, and quite the party. Hell, maybe you and mattstick would like it if everyone was quiet and sitting down the entire show, but I'll be the first to admit that I love every aspect of the phish scene - the people, the smells, the noises, the chatter around me, yes the drugs too.

The music? That's a given for me. Isn't that obvious? Do I have to sit down and analyze each show to prove to you (or other fans) that I'm worthy? Sure, we have probably all taken the party a little too far at times. Sure, I probably also do too many drugs. And yes, I do think that drugs enhance the music (but are absolutely not necessary).

Jeez, see now I feel like I'm defending my god-given right to put whatever the fuck I want to in my body. I shouldn't have to defend that, OR my status as a "dedicated fan" - to ANYONE. Because phish is my fucking sanctuary. It's my happy place. I know you understand this, Joe. So what's the problem here? Daddy issues? Don't make me go all psych-major on your ass.  :wink:

Anyway, I guess my main point is that if you think I or anyone else that you have met from this board and chilled with are at phish shows for the "wrong reasons", you need to get to know us better.

I could do without the smells.  Its called a shower people!   :wink:

Seriously though, well said. 
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: rowjimmy on January 10, 2011, 09:03:18 AM
Quote from: antelope19 on January 08, 2011, 02:43:58 PM
Quote from: McGrupp on January 07, 2011, 07:25:33 PM
I'd like to reiterate what Ramsay said - most of the "drug talk" on this board is purely joking, or reminiscing of good times had at shows. Joe, do you really think that the music is not the reason we're all here, on this forum?

Sure, phish shows are a blast, and quite the party. Hell, maybe you and mattstick would like it if everyone was quiet and sitting down the entire show, but I'll be the first to admit that I love every aspect of the phish scene - the people, the smells, the noises, the chatter around me, yes the drugs too.

The music? That's a given for me. Isn't that obvious? Do I have to sit down and analyze each show to prove to you (or other fans) that I'm worthy? Sure, we have probably all taken the party a little too far at times. Sure, I probably also do too many drugs. And yes, I do think that drugs enhance the music (but are absolutely not necessary).

Jeez, see now I feel like I'm defending my god-given right to put whatever the fuck I want to in my body. I shouldn't have to defend that, OR my status as a "dedicated fan" - to ANYONE. Because phish is my fucking sanctuary. It's my happy place. I know you understand this, Joe. So what's the problem here? Daddy issues? Don't make me go all psych-major on your ass.  :wink:

Anyway, I guess my main point is that if you think I or anyone else that you have met from this board and chilled with are at phish shows for the "wrong reasons", you need to get to know us better.

I could do without the smells.  Its called a shower people!   :wink:

Seriously though, you guys stink.

FYP.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: roggae on January 10, 2011, 10:38:31 AM
Quote from: PIE-GUY on January 05, 2011, 09:41:56 AM
Quote from: mattstick on January 05, 2011, 09:39:08 AM

Yes, I was there, I thought it was really, really lame.  The crowd should be attentive to what the band is playing on-stage, not throwing glowsticks and cheering for no reason.

The silences in these songs are not an opportunity to cheer, they have a significance in the song.

boy, you're sounding like a really fun guy.

The eruption of crowd energy during Guelah was surprising and very cool. If that annoys you, I can see why you are burned out on Phish these days.

MRFMTD.

I agree with pie. The wife and i loved the pause. I dont throw glowsticks but it was pretty cool the energy people were eminating during that pause. If you have to throw a glowing object to get there, go for it.  I also take A LOT of drugs.

Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: McGrupp on January 14, 2011, 10:09:43 PM
I thought this would be an appropriate thread to mention that I'm going over to thatfargone's house tomorrow to have a 3.0 phish "listening party".  :-D

Drugs may or may not be involved.

I find this amusing.

Will report back.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Revi
Post by: Buffalo Budd on January 14, 2011, 10:38:01 PM
Quote from: McGrupp on January 14, 2011, 10:09:43 PM
I thought this would be an appropriate thread to mention that I'm going over to thatfargone's house tomorrow to have a 3.0 phish "listening party".  :-D

Drugs may or may not be involved.

I find this amusing.

Will report back.
Tell him we said 'hey' and we'll see him this Summer.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Revi
Post by: Superfreakie on January 14, 2011, 10:39:35 PM
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on January 14, 2011, 10:38:01 PM
Quote from: McGrupp on January 14, 2011, 10:09:43 PM
I thought this would be an appropriate thread to mention that I'm going over to thatfargone's house tomorrow to have a 3.0 phish "listening party".  :-D

Drugs may or may not be involved.

I find this amusing.

Will report back.
Tell him we said 'hey'.

Tell him I say hi as well!
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Revi
Post by: blatboom on January 14, 2011, 10:40:37 PM
Quote from: Superfreakie on January 14, 2011, 10:39:35 PM
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on January 14, 2011, 10:38:01 PM
Quote from: McGrupp on January 14, 2011, 10:09:43 PM
I thought this would be an appropriate thread to mention that I'm going over to thatfargone's house tomorrow to have a 3.0 phish "listening party".  :-D

Drugs may or may not be involved.

I find this amusing.

Will report back.
Tell him we said 'hey'.

Tell him I say hi as well!

Tell him I said 'drugs'.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Revi
Post by: mbw on January 14, 2011, 10:42:52 PM
Quote from: blatboom on January 14, 2011, 10:40:37 PM
Quote from: Superfreakie on January 14, 2011, 10:39:35 PM
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on January 14, 2011, 10:38:01 PM
Quote from: McGrupp on January 14, 2011, 10:09:43 PM
I thought this would be an appropriate thread to mention that I'm going over to thatfargone's house tomorrow to have a 3.0 phish "listening party".  :-D

Drugs may or may not be involved.

I find this amusing.

Will report back.
Tell him we said 'hey'.

Tell him I say hi as well!

Tell him I said 'drugs'.

be sure to bring glow sticks.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Revi
Post by: kellerb on January 15, 2011, 03:42:53 AM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on January 14, 2011, 10:42:52 PM
Quote from: blatboom on January 14, 2011, 10:40:37 PM
Quote from: Superfreakie on January 14, 2011, 10:39:35 PM
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on January 14, 2011, 10:38:01 PM
Quote from: McGrupp on January 14, 2011, 10:09:43 PM
I thought this would be an appropriate thread to mention that I'm going over to thatfargone's house tomorrow to have a 3.0 phish "listening party".  :-D

Drugs may or may not be involved.

I find this amusing.

Will report back.
Tell him we said 'hey'.

Tell him I say hi as well!

Tell him I said 'drugs'.

be sure to bring glow sticks.

I'll be doing the hood chant slightly out of rhythm, and clapping the wrong amount of times in stash, in my heart.  Also, on drugs.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Revi
Post by: Superfreakie on January 15, 2011, 09:14:07 AM
Quote from: kellerb on January 15, 2011, 03:42:53 AM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on January 14, 2011, 10:42:52 PM
Quote from: blatboom on January 14, 2011, 10:40:37 PM
Quote from: Superfreakie on January 14, 2011, 10:39:35 PM
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on January 14, 2011, 10:38:01 PM
Quote from: McGrupp on January 14, 2011, 10:09:43 PM
I thought this would be an appropriate thread to mention that I'm going over to thatfargone's house tomorrow to have a 3.0 phish "listening party".  :-D

Drugs may or may not be involved.

I find this amusing.

Will report back.
Tell him we said 'hey'.

Tell him I say hi as well!

Tell him I said 'drugs'.

be sure to bring glow sticks.

I'll be doing the hood chant slightly out of rhythm, and clapping the wrong amount of times in stash, in my heart.  Also, on drugs.

while we're at it, we might as well have one immense 'paug sing-a-long. Preferably to Tweezer so that we can scat the jam in unison.
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Revi
Post by: birdman on January 15, 2011, 09:18:40 AM
Quote from: Superfreakie on January 15, 2011, 09:14:07 AM
Quote from: kellerb on January 15, 2011, 03:42:53 AM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on January 14, 2011, 10:42:52 PM
Quote from: blatboom on January 14, 2011, 10:40:37 PM
Quote from: Superfreakie on January 14, 2011, 10:39:35 PM
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on January 14, 2011, 10:38:01 PM
Quote from: McGrupp on January 14, 2011, 10:09:43 PM
I thought this would be an appropriate thread to mention that I'm going over to thatfargone's house tomorrow to have a 3.0 phish "listening party".  :-D

Drugs may or may not be involved.

I find this amusing.

Will report back.
Tell him we said 'hey'.

Tell him I say hi as well!

Tell him I said 'drugs'.

be sure to bring glow sticks.

I'll be doing the hood chant slightly out of rhythm, and clapping the wrong amount of times in stash, in my heart.  Also, on drugs.

while we're at it, we might as well have one immense 'paug sing-a-long. Preferably to Tweezer so that we can scat the jam in unison.
We had a huge paug sing along in manchester this fall. Most astounding was the accapella "free bird". I swear it sounded like we had at least a six guitar attack. (oh the poor neighbors)
Title: Re: 12/30 - Madison Square Garden - New York, NY - Post-Show Discussion and Review
Post by: gah on February 08, 2011, 02:44:23 PM
First listen thru on this, and the Tweezer jam > Light is hawt!

eta: well the tweezer jam was, the transition wasn't anything special.