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Started by bluecaravan521, September 29, 2008, 10:30:31 AM

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bluecaravan521

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-rodda/muslim-children-gassed-at_b_130076.html


Friday, September 26th ended a week in which thousands of copies of Obsession: Radical Islam's War Against the West -- the fear-mongering, anti-Muslim documentary being distributed by the millions in swing states via DVDs inserted in major newspapers and through the U.S. mail -- were distributed by mail in Ohio. The same day, a "chemical irritant" was sprayed through a window of the Islamic Society of Greater Dayton, where 300 people were gathered for a Ramadan prayer service. The room that the chemical was sprayed into was the room where babies and children were being kept while their mothers were engaged in prayers. This, apparently, is what the scare tactic political campaigning of John McCain's supporters has led to -- Americans perpetrating a terrorist attack against innocent children on American soil.

I read the story as reported by the Dayton Daily News, but this was after I had received an email written by a friend of some of the victims of these American terrorists. The matter of fact news report in the Dayton paper didn't come close to conveying the horrific impact of this unthinkable act like the email I had just read, so I asked the email's author for permission to share what they had written. The author was with one of the families from the mosque -- a mother and two of the small children who were in the room that was gassed -- the day after the attack occurred.
Quote
    "She told me that the gas was sprayed into the room where the babies and children were being kept while their mothers prayed together their Ramadan prayers. Panicked mothers ran for their babies, crying for their children so they could flee from the gas that was burning their eyes and throats and lungs. She grabbed her youngest in her arms and grabbed the hand of her other daughter, moving with the others to exit the building and the irritating substance there.

    "The paramedic said the young one was in shock, and gave her oxygen to help her breathe. The child couldn't stop sobbing.

    "This didn't happen in some far away place -- but right here in Dayton, and to my friends. Many of the Iraqi refugees were praying together at the Mosque Friday evening. People that I know and love.

    "I am hurt and angry. I tell her this is not America. She tells me this is not Heaven or Hell -- there are good and bad people everywhere.

    "She tells me that her daughters slept with her last night, the little one in her arms and sobbing throughout the night. She tells me she is afraid, and will never return to the mosque, and I wonder what kind of country is this where people have to fear attending their place of worship?"

    "The children come into the room, and tell me they want to leave America and return to Syria, where they had fled to from Iraq. They say they like me, ... , and other American friends -- but they are too afraid and want to leave. Should a 6 and 7 year old even have to contemplate the safety of their living situation?

    "Did the anti-Muslim video circulating in the area have something to do with this incident, or is that just a bizarre coincidence? Who attacks women and children?

    "What am I supposed to say to them? My words can't keep them safe from what is nothing less than terrorism, American style. Isn't losing loved ones, their homes, jobs, possessions and homeland enough? Is there no place where they can be safe?

    "She didn't want me to leave her tonight, but it was after midnight, and I needed to get home and write this to my friends. Tell me -- tell me -- what am I supposed to say to them?"

When acting as a representative of Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF), the 501(c)3 non-profit organization that I work for, I cannot engage in political activities. The distribution of Obsession, however, although a political campaign scheme, clearly crosses over into the mission of MRFF. So, I'm going to make two statements here -- one in my capacity as MRFF's Research Director, and another as an individual whose disgust at the vile campaign tactics of John McCain's supporters completely boiled over when I opened up the email about children being gassed.

My statement as MRFF's Research Director:

The presidential campaign edition of the Obsession DVD, produced and currently being distributed by the Clarion Fund, carries the endorsement of the chair of the counter-terrorism department of the U.S. Naval War College, using the name and authority of an official U.S. military institution not only to validate an attack the religion of Islam, but to influence a political campaign. For these reasons, this endorsement has been included in MRFF's second lawsuit against the Department of Defense, which was filed on September 25 in the Federal District Court in Kansas.

My opinion as an individual and thoroughly appalled human being:

John McCain has a moral obligation to publicly censure the Clarion Fund; to denounce the inflammatory, anti-Muslim message of Obsession; and to do everything in his power to stop any further campaign activities by his supporters that have the potential to incite violence.

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What the fuck!!! What is this country going to? This is disgusting.
Information is not knowledge. Knowledge is not wisdom. Wisdom is not truth. Truth is not beauty. Beauty is not love. Love is not music. Music is the best...

Mr Minor

This is sad. 

I didn't realize the first amendment was so easily overlooked.

Maybe people just believe that if we can't beat the terrorists, we should just join them.  I feel sad to be associated as fellow Americans with the people responsible for this.

Here's the article from The Dayton Daily News:

http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/2008/09/27/ddn092608evacweb.html?cxtype=rss&cxsvc=7&cxcat=16

Phunkaddict

I'm fighting off tears right now. This is absolutely disgusting....
And The Light Is Growing Brighter Now

sophist

Quote from: bluecaravan521 on September 29, 2008, 10:30:31 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-rodda/muslim-children-gassed-at_b_130076.html


Friday, September 26th ended a week in which thousands of copies of Obsession: Radical Islam's War Against the West -- the fear-mongering, anti-Muslim documentary being distributed by the millions in swing states via DVDs inserted in major newspapers and through the U.S. mail -- were distributed by mail in Ohio. The same day, a "chemical irritant" was sprayed through a window of the Islamic Society of Greater Dayton, where 300 people were gathered for a Ramadan prayer service. The room that the chemical was sprayed into was the room where babies and children were being kept while their mothers were engaged in prayers. This, apparently, is what the scare tactic political campaigning of John McCain's supporters has led to -- Americans perpetrating a terrorist attack against innocent children on American soil.

I read the story as reported by the Dayton Daily News, but this was after I had received an email written by a friend of some of the victims of these American terrorists. The matter of fact news report in the Dayton paper didn't come close to conveying the horrific impact of this unthinkable act like the email I had just read, so I asked the email's author for permission to share what they had written. The author was with one of the families from the mosque -- a mother and two of the small children who were in the room that was gassed -- the day after the attack occurred.
Quote
    "She told me that the gas was sprayed into the room where the babies and children were being kept while their mothers prayed together their Ramadan prayers. Panicked mothers ran for their babies, crying for their children so they could flee from the gas that was burning their eyes and throats and lungs. She grabbed her youngest in her arms and grabbed the hand of her other daughter, moving with the others to exit the building and the irritating substance there.

    "The paramedic said the young one was in shock, and gave her oxygen to help her breathe. The child couldn't stop sobbing.

    "This didn't happen in some far away place -- but right here in Dayton, and to my friends. Many of the Iraqi refugees were praying together at the Mosque Friday evening. People that I know and love.

    "I am hurt and angry. I tell her this is not America. She tells me this is not Heaven or Hell -- there are good and bad people everywhere.

    "She tells me that her daughters slept with her last night, the little one in her arms and sobbing throughout the night. She tells me she is afraid, and will never return to the mosque, and I wonder what kind of country is this where people have to fear attending their place of worship?"

    "The children come into the room, and tell me they want to leave America and return to Syria, where they had fled to from Iraq. They say they like me, ... , and other American friends -- but they are too afraid and want to leave. Should a 6 and 7 year old even have to contemplate the safety of their living situation?

    "Did the anti-Muslim video circulating in the area have something to do with this incident, or is that just a bizarre coincidence? Who attacks women and children?

    "What am I supposed to say to them? My words can't keep them safe from what is nothing less than terrorism, American style. Isn't losing loved ones, their homes, jobs, possessions and homeland enough? Is there no place where they can be safe?

    "She didn't want me to leave her tonight, but it was after midnight, and I needed to get home and write this to my friends. Tell me -- tell me -- what am I supposed to say to them?"

When acting as a representative of Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF), the 501(c)3 non-profit organization that I work for, I cannot engage in political activities. The distribution of Obsession, however, although a political campaign scheme, clearly crosses over into the mission of MRFF. So, I'm going to make two statements here -- one in my capacity as MRFF's Research Director, and another as an individual whose disgust at the vile campaign tactics of John McCain's supporters completely boiled over when I opened up the email about children being gassed.

My statement as MRFF's Research Director:

The presidential campaign edition of the Obsession DVD, produced and currently being distributed by the Clarion Fund, carries the endorsement of the chair of the counter-terrorism department of the U.S. Naval War College, using the name and authority of an official U.S. military institution not only to validate an attack the religion of Islam, but to influence a political campaign. For these reasons, this endorsement has been included in MRFF's second lawsuit against the Department of Defense, which was filed on September 25 in the Federal District Court in Kansas.

My opinion as an individual and thoroughly appalled human being:

John McCain has a moral obligation to publicly censure the Clarion Fund; to denounce the inflammatory, anti-Muslim message of Obsession; and to do everything in his power to stop any further campaign activities by his supporters that have the potential to incite violence.

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What the fuck!!! What is this country going to? This is disgusting.
How do you know they were McCain supporters  :?
Yes, this incident sucks, but seems like biased reporting in that implication. 
Can we talk about the Dead?  I'd love to talk about the fucking Grateful Dead, for once, can we please discuss the Grateful FUCKING Dead!?!?!?!

JimmyWilson

Hmm, lets see, which party is it that time and again uses the fear of Islamic Terrorists to gin up support for nonsensical wars?

Oh yeah, the GOP.   :roll:

rowjimmy

Which party has supporters that are attempting to associate the opposition candidate with a negative image of Islam?

I seem to recall hearing cries of "Osama Obama" from redneck McCain supporters that drove by as I waited in line for an Obama rally on Saturday...

Mr Minor

Quote from: Sophist on September 29, 2008, 11:26:38 AM
Quote from: bluecaravan521 on September 29, 2008, 10:30:31 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-rodda/muslim-children-gassed-at_b_130076.html


Friday, September 26th ended a week in which thousands of copies of Obsession: Radical Islam's War Against the West -- the fear-mongering, anti-Muslim documentary being distributed by the millions in swing states via DVDs inserted in major newspapers and through the U.S. mail -- were distributed by mail in Ohio. The same day, a "chemical irritant" was sprayed through a window of the Islamic Society of Greater Dayton, where 300 people were gathered for a Ramadan prayer service. The room that the chemical was sprayed into was the room where babies and children were being kept while their mothers were engaged in prayers. This, apparently, is what the scare tactic political campaigning of John McCain's supporters has led to -- Americans perpetrating a terrorist attack against innocent children on American soil.

I read the story as reported by the Dayton Daily News, but this was after I had received an email written by a friend of some of the victims of these American terrorists. The matter of fact news report in the Dayton paper didn't come close to conveying the horrific impact of this unthinkable act like the email I had just read, so I asked the email's author for permission to share what they had written. The author was with one of the families from the mosque -- a mother and two of the small children who were in the room that was gassed -- the day after the attack occurred.
Quote
    "She told me that the gas was sprayed into the room where the babies and children were being kept while their mothers prayed together their Ramadan prayers. Panicked mothers ran for their babies, crying for their children so they could flee from the gas that was burning their eyes and throats and lungs. She grabbed her youngest in her arms and grabbed the hand of her other daughter, moving with the others to exit the building and the irritating substance there.

    "The paramedic said the young one was in shock, and gave her oxygen to help her breathe. The child couldn't stop sobbing.

    "This didn't happen in some far away place -- but right here in Dayton, and to my friends. Many of the Iraqi refugees were praying together at the Mosque Friday evening. People that I know and love.

    "I am hurt and angry. I tell her this is not America. She tells me this is not Heaven or Hell -- there are good and bad people everywhere.

    "She tells me that her daughters slept with her last night, the little one in her arms and sobbing throughout the night. She tells me she is afraid, and will never return to the mosque, and I wonder what kind of country is this where people have to fear attending their place of worship?"

    "The children come into the room, and tell me they want to leave America and return to Syria, where they had fled to from Iraq. They say they like me, ... , and other American friends -- but they are too afraid and want to leave. Should a 6 and 7 year old even have to contemplate the safety of their living situation?

    "Did the anti-Muslim video circulating in the area have something to do with this incident, or is that just a bizarre coincidence? Who attacks women and children?

    "What am I supposed to say to them? My words can't keep them safe from what is nothing less than terrorism, American style. Isn't losing loved ones, their homes, jobs, possessions and homeland enough? Is there no place where they can be safe?

    "She didn't want me to leave her tonight, but it was after midnight, and I needed to get home and write this to my friends. Tell me -- tell me -- what am I supposed to say to them?"

When acting as a representative of Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF), the 501(c)3 non-profit organization that I work for, I cannot engage in political activities. The distribution of Obsession, however, although a political campaign scheme, clearly crosses over into the mission of MRFF. So, I'm going to make two statements here -- one in my capacity as MRFF's Research Director, and another as an individual whose disgust at the vile campaign tactics of John McCain's supporters completely boiled over when I opened up the email about children being gassed.

My statement as MRFF's Research Director:

The presidential campaign edition of the Obsession DVD, produced and currently being distributed by the Clarion Fund, carries the endorsement of the chair of the counter-terrorism department of the U.S. Naval War College, using the name and authority of an official U.S. military institution not only to validate an attack the religion of Islam, but to influence a political campaign. For these reasons, this endorsement has been included in MRFF's second lawsuit against the Department of Defense, which was filed on September 25 in the Federal District Court in Kansas.

My opinion as an individual and thoroughly appalled human being:

John McCain has a moral obligation to publicly censure the Clarion Fund; to denounce the inflammatory, anti-Muslim message of Obsession; and to do everything in his power to stop any further campaign activities by his supporters that have the potential to incite violence.

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What the fuck!!! What is this country going to? This is disgusting.
How do you know they were McCain supporters  :?
Yes, this incident sucks, but seems like biased reporting in that implication. 

I posted the link to the original story so it could be read sans bias.  If that's possible from a newspaper. 
But is huffingtonpost.com a place to get unbiased info?  I kind of felt the original article still depicts the maliciousness of the incident, regardless from which camp the support came.

Phunkaddict

http://clarionfund.org/  -  says it's non-partisan (is it code orange yet).

In this link is a link to watch the trailer or a 12 min version of: Obsession: Radical Islam's War Against the West

My Grandmother has been educated from a number of directions, including many Conservative McCain supporters through e-mail, That Barak Obama is indeed a Muslim terrorist. Not just once, repeatedly for the last 2 years. About the time when clarion fund was started. No one is dumb enough to actually link these claims to McCain directly. An intelligent human would laugh at such claims, but guess what, MILLIONS of Americans believe it. This video is being widely distributed in swing states a month before election day. I call it political terrorism, given the message being widespread about Obama.
And The Light Is Growing Brighter Now

sophist

Quote from: JimmyWilson on September 29, 2008, 11:48:15 AM
Hmm, lets see, which party is it that time and again uses the fear of Islamic Terrorists to gin up support for nonsensical wars?

Oh yeah, the GOP.   :roll:
The republican party has individuals that do such acts, not the party as a whole.  Your point is an informal logical fallacy (hasty generalization).  It is like stating all liberals love socialism, which isn't true.  You have no direct connection to McCain in this example, therefore it is a faulty assertion. 
Quote from: rowjimmy on September 29, 2008, 11:51:14 AM
Which party has supporters that are attempting to associate the opposition candidate with a negative image of Islam?

I seem to recall hearing cries of "Osama Obama" from redneck McCain supporters that drove by as I waited in line for an Obama rally on Saturday...
Same example as above, those are individuals acting out of ignorance who have no connection to the McCain campaign. 

Bottom line, it is stupid and ignorant people who hold radical opinions.  This is a super minority of conservatives.  Do you really think most conservative people are capable of terrorism?    Both of you guys infer this point.


Can we talk about the Dead?  I'd love to talk about the fucking Grateful Dead, for once, can we please discuss the Grateful FUCKING Dead!?!?!?!

rowjimmy

Quote from: Sophist on September 29, 2008, 01:41:32 PM
Quote from: JimmyWilson on September 29, 2008, 11:48:15 AM
Hmm, lets see, which party is it that time and again uses the fear of Islamic Terrorists to gin up support for nonsensical wars?

Oh yeah, the GOP.   :roll:
The republican party has individuals that do such acts, not the party as a whole.  Your point is an informal logical fallacy (hasty generalization).  It is like stating all liberals love socialism, which isn't true.  You have no direct connection to McCain in this example, therefore it is a faulty assertion. 
Quote from: rowjimmy on September 29, 2008, 11:51:14 AM
Which party has supporters that are attempting to associate the opposition candidate with a negative image of Islam?

I seem to recall hearing cries of "Osama Obama" from redneck McCain supporters that drove by as I waited in line for an Obama rally on Saturday...
Same example as above, those are individuals acting out of ignorance who have no connection to the McCain campaign. 

Bottom line, it is stupid and ignorant people who hold radical opinions.  This is a super minority of conservatives.  Do you really think most conservative people are capable of terrorism?    Both of you guys infer this point.




Notice that I indicated that it was "supporters" of McCain rather than McCain operatives?

I think that you are, perhaps, too sheltered from redneck America. Lots of people believe this stuff.




Seriously, people take what they hear on Fox News as the gospel...

twatts

Quote from: Sophist on September 29, 2008, 01:41:32 PM
Do you really think most conservative people are capable of terrorism?    Both of you guys infer this point.


Actually, they inferred that republicans are capable of terrorism.  Neither says the word "conservative".
Oh! That! No, no, no, you're not ready to step into The Court of the Crimson King. At this stage in your training an album like that could turn you into an evil scientist.

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I want better than average skill
I want a million dollar bill
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sophist

Quote from: rowjimmy on September 29, 2008, 02:56:39 PM
Quote from: Sophist on September 29, 2008, 01:41:32 PM
Quote from: JimmyWilson on September 29, 2008, 11:48:15 AM
Hmm, lets see, which party is it that time and again uses the fear of Islamic Terrorists to gin up support for nonsensical wars?

Oh yeah, the GOP.   :roll:
The republican party has individuals that do such acts, not the party as a whole.  Your point is an informal logical fallacy (hasty generalization).  It is like stating all liberals love socialism, which isn't true.  You have no direct connection to McCain in this example, therefore it is a faulty assertion. 
Quote from: rowjimmy on September 29, 2008, 11:51:14 AM
Which party has supporters that are attempting to associate the opposition candidate with a negative image of Islam?

I seem to recall hearing cries of "Osama Obama" from redneck McCain supporters that drove by as I waited in line for an Obama rally on Saturday...
Same example as above, those are individuals acting out of ignorance who have no connection to the McCain campaign. 

Bottom line, it is stupid and ignorant people who hold radical opinions.  This is a super minority of conservatives.  Do you really think most conservative people are capable of terrorism?    Both of you guys infer this point.




Notice that I indicated that it was "supporters" of McCain rather than McCain operatives?

I think that you are, perhaps, too sheltered from redneck America. Lots of people believe this stuff.




Seriously, people take what they hear on Fox News as the gospel...

Dude.  
a) I live further south than you and grew up in Georgia
b) attended college in the most conservative city in the south (look up Kennesaw, GA)
c) use to be associated with that crowd (republicans)

I'm more than familiar with the sub sects of the party.  It is a very small percentage of the conservative base that gets such attention and it is amplified just as the protesters at the RNC were made out to be representative of the whole liberal base.  
Quote from: twatts on September 29, 2008, 03:00:09 PM
Quote from: Sophist on September 29, 2008, 01:41:32 PM
Do you really think most conservative people are capable of terrorism?    Both of you guys infer this point.


Actually, they inferred that republicans are capable of terrorism.  Neither says the word "conservative".
I'd argue most republicans are conservative, while most conservatives aren't republican.  Conservative is a wider description than republican. 
Can we talk about the Dead?  I'd love to talk about the fucking Grateful Dead, for once, can we please discuss the Grateful FUCKING Dead!?!?!?!

twatts

Quote from: Sophist on September 29, 2008, 03:05:43 PM

I'd argue most republicans are conservative, while most conservatives aren't republican.  Conservative is a wider description than republican. 


That means there will be Republicans, that are perfectly capable of terrorism, that are not conservatives. 

I think that was the earlier point, that there are people, that vote Republican, that are willing to commit terrorist acts.  McCain doesn't suggest these actions, but the idea that there are parts of the "Republican Party" (however officially or unofficially) that would suggest these actions, and that reflects upon the entire party.  Sure McCain has nothing to do with this action, but he will be the one to bear the brunt of the criticism. 

Its circumstantial inference, but when a staunchly right-wing political action committee releases a DVD incited violence towards a certain part of the citizenry, either the Republican leadership has to publicly distance itself, or normal people will (however incorrectly) associate that committee to the party. 

All that being said, there are just as many "liberals" willing to commit terrorist acts...  Probably more so, just because of the definition of their politics...

Terry
Oh! That! No, no, no, you're not ready to step into The Court of the Crimson King. At this stage in your training an album like that could turn you into an evil scientist.

----------------------

I want super-human will
I want better than average skill
I want a million dollar bill
And I want it all in a Pill

rowjimmy

1 in 10 Americans isn't that small a number.

I can drive 10 minutes from my house and recruit a shopping mall full of people who believe this stuff.
I'm glad that your experience is dissimilar but I don't you are surrendering yourself to the actual numbers.

bluecaravan521

Quote from: Sophist on September 29, 2008, 11:26:38 AM
How do you know they were McCain supporters  :?
Yes, this incident sucks, but seems like biased reporting in that implication. 

Yo Sophist- I didn't write that article, it was just the only one I could find on the web about it.  I'd have to agree that the people behind this being McCain supporters doesn't mean that McCain has any connection to it...however I would have to say the conservative media vastly has increased fear of Muslims, and IMHO I think it more likely that the people behind this were part of a tiny tiny tiny minority of conservatives.  The quoted part of what I posted was not the actual article, that was a quoted part from the article (you'll see what I mean if you go to original page).

Thanks for finding the original article Mr. Minor
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