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Brad's wedding
« on: May 26, 2009, 06:43:53 PM »
Should I put some sort of reference to Brad's wedding in the wiki?

I mean, it was a private performance.


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Re: Brad's wedding
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2009, 10:09:31 PM »
List it as if it were a show but indicate that it was a private party, sitting in on the wedding band's gear, etc.

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Re: Brad's wedding
« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2009, 11:49:10 PM »
I think there should be a place for it, but it's not a ticketed event that phans could get into.  That's typically been the criteria to call something a show.  Maybe another section for "live appearances" like national anthems.  It's hard to draw the line because what about late night TV appearances?  They do "headline" as far as the music goes, but the tickets are sold for the show, not Phish (well, at least to non phans).  And what about radio appearances?  There's usually a live studio audience, so I'd keep those in the regular mix.

Haven't thought about this enough, but I think we should maybe have an alternate section for non-shows.

Maybe a good split would be

1.  Any performance where a majority of the people at the event came for the sole purpose of Phish's appearance is considered a show. (including festivals and Santana openers)
2.  Any performance where phish is not the main attraction (aside from being an opening act) is considered a musical appearance.

Not sure if you guys think we should differentiate, but if so how we'd work it in the wiki.
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Re: Brad's wedding
« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2009, 10:05:50 AM »
I see your point, jephrey, but I think that it would be easier to list the performances in the regular show listings but then, perhaps, create an additional page that lists (and links to) the performances that are not regular shows.

and how can you really draw the line based on the ticket sales? When Phish opened for Santana, the majority didn't buy tickets to see Phish. Same for Laguna Seca Daze or Fuji Rock Fest...

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Re: Brad's wedding
« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2009, 02:01:16 PM »
I agree with RJ, they should be listed in with the shows as it might be too hard to define the line between the too. I also think the idea of having a page that links to separate, specific 'non-show' shows is a good idea. That way you can directly link to radio performances, interviews, etc..
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Re: Brad's wedding
« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2009, 12:56:10 AM »
If I wanted to continue the argument, I'd say that the people who were up at the stage when phish played WERE there to see phish.  But I also agree that it's going to be too difficult and my argument falls apart for national anthems unless I say that was not a music oriented event.

So I'll agree, maybe we could use categories...  Maybe even categories for the regular shows, we could tack on a load of categories like show, impromptu show, tv, sporting event, late set, interview, etc. 
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Re: Brad's wedding
« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2009, 07:47:15 PM »
Well I was under the impression that any performance in front of an audience was a "show" because in the 80's, there are entries of private parties and whatnot (etree, Phish Companion, Mockingbird, Almanac).  Brad's wedding wasn't a public show, but I'd say it was a show nonetheless because the performance was in front of an audience.  I'd also consider things like National Anthems and late night TV as shows even though the people in the audience were really there for the basketball game or Letterman or whatever.

Each individual performance has its own page in the wiki anyway.  Private, TV, radio and other odd performances just don't get linked to a tour and they each get an explanation in the notes (as usual).  I think if we go through and pick out all the performances that are not actual tour-related shows, then it will throw the stats off on the wiki.  What we'd wind up with is people arguing what is a show and what wasn't a show when we could just explain the event in the notes, count it and move on to the next dead link.

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Re: Brad's wedding
« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2009, 10:03:16 PM »
Well I was under the impression that any performance in front of an audience was a "show" because in the 80's, there are entries of private parties and whatnot (etree, Phish Companion, Mockingbird, Almanac).  Brad's wedding wasn't a public show, but I'd say it was a show nonetheless because the performance was in front of an audience.  I'd also consider things like National Anthems and late night TV as shows even though the people in the audience were really there for the basketball game or Letterman or whatever.

Each individual performance has its own page in the wiki anyway.  Private, TV, radio and other odd performances just don't get linked to a tour and they each get an explanation in the notes (as usual).  I think if we go through and pick out all the performances that are not actual tour-related shows, then it will throw the stats off on the wiki.  What we'd wind up with is people arguing what is a show and what wasn't a show when we could just explain the event in the notes, count it and move on to the next dead link.

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Re: Brad's wedding
« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2009, 10:58:41 PM »
true.  I like it.
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Re: Brad's wedding
« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2009, 11:08:27 PM »
I do like the idea of an additional page or pages that collect the TV/Radio Performances, etc...


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Re: Brad's wedding
« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2009, 12:57:46 AM »
I like that, too.  Setlist page to have everything in one place and an additional page for the special stuff.

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Re: Brad's wedding
« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2009, 09:18:11 AM »
I agree. Additional page for special events and impromptu stuff.
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Re: Brad's wedding
« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2009, 01:24:21 PM »
Is there a way I can remove the "Tour" link in the upper right?  It's not part of a tour and I hate dead links.  I've made some other entries that would benefit from this, too.  Can't just remove it altogether from the code because it messes it up and when left blank, it just leaves a dead Tour link.

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Re: Brad's wedding
« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2009, 01:44:44 PM »
You could link the tour link to the 'special shows' page, perhaps? or do you need a new template, altogether?

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Re: Brad's wedding
« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2009, 06:21:40 PM »
You could link the tour link to the 'special shows' page, perhaps? or do you need a new template, altogether?

You can only put the name of a tour in the space and then it pops up "so-and-so Tour" and links automatically to the tour page.