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2016 Presidential Democratic Primary Thread
« on: May 01, 2015, 10:42:34 PM »
eh why not... bvaz can make a Republican one lol! 

I am impressed with the support for Bernie so far, and is looking like he may do better then Dennis Kucinich did.  He has my vote, unless somebody steals it.
http://www.politicususa.com/2015/05/01/24-hours-bernie-sanders-raised-money-rand-paul-marco-rubio-ted-cruz.html 
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Re: 2016 Presidential Democratic Primary Thread
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2015, 10:45:47 PM »
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Re: 2016 Presidential Democratic Primary Thread
« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2015, 10:51:32 PM »
BERNIE!  BERNIE!  BERNIE!  BERNIE!  BERNIE!  BERNIE!  BERNIE!  :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
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Re: 2016 Presidential Democratic Primary Thread
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2015, 12:45:39 AM »
There are dozens of reasons why I'd urge you to consider a vote for Sen. Sanders, but there's only one that really matters...

In the 1980s, as mayor of Burlington, he recorded a Folk album with 30+ local musicians, and he sang lead vocals Shatner'd the lyrics. 

Hear two samples from the newly resurrected album here. 

Get a little bit of background on it here (Phish mention).

And watch him dance to it here. 

If this doesn't send him directly to the oval office, then it will be a sad, sad day for America. 
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Re: 2016 Presidential Democratic Primary Thread
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2015, 12:57:32 AM »
The University of California can make political donations? wtf?
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Re: 2016 Presidential Democratic Primary Thread
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2015, 04:58:31 AM »
Bernie introduced Pete Seeger when I saw him at the Champlain Valley Folk Festival with my Dad in the 90s at some point as well!
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Re: 2016 Presidential Democratic Primary Thread
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2015, 06:21:12 AM »
The University of California can make political donations? wtf?

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UC CONTRIBUTIONS TO POLITICAL CANDIDATES
The University of California does not make any financial contributions to presidential campaigns or to candidates for local, state or federal office.
As a non-profit institution of public higher education, UC does not have a Political Action Committee (PAC), and as a matter of law and policy does not make financial contributions.
However, individuals who are employed by the university are permitted by law to make campaign contributions using their own personal funds. They may contribute individually to campaigns of their choosing. The university does not encourage its employees to make political
contributions and has no knowledge of individual political contributions.
The Federal Election Commission (FEC), which oversees campaign finance and reporting laws at the federal level, requires candidates for federal office to collect and report data about contributors including the name, address, employer, and contribution amount.
In reports filed by an individual campaign with the FEC, the University of California may appear in the field for employer. This is because an employee may have contributed independently, not the university itself. The FEC’s website is http://www.fec.gov/.
Sometimes organizations that track campaign contributions, such as http://opensecrets.org, take the official data provided by the FEC about campaign contributions and report by demographic breakdown, such as by industry or employer. This type of data tracking and bundling can be misleading because it implies that the company or entity supports the candidate in question and provided the funds. In fact, the listing merely means that a particular group of contributors happens to work for the listed entity.

So, essentially all those numbers are misleading.
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Re: 2016 Presidential Democratic Primary Thread
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2015, 08:58:50 AM »
How are they misleading? They show both individuals and PACs (which, for most companies, are also contributions from employees). But anytime you see those lists they are contributions from the employees, not the actual organization. Companies are extremely loath to spend corporate dollars because it would piss of roughly half their stakeholders.

I might register as a D for the primary to vote for Bernie. You know, if it's not over by the time it gets to PA. I mean, he may be a socialist, but at least he's not a Clinton.

Undermind, you sure you don't want to just make this the 2016 Election thread? Three election threads (2 primary 1 general) is too much even for me.
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Re: 2016 Presidential Democratic Primary Thread
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2015, 09:28:55 AM »
How are they misleading?

I guess I should have said misleading to me, cause I don't fully understand campaign finance.
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Re: 2016 Presidential Democratic Primary Thread
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Re: 2016 Presidential Democratic Primary Thread
« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2015, 10:04:26 AM »
Hillary has some more competition


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Re: 2016 Presidential Democratic Primary Thread
« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2015, 10:58:41 AM »
How are they misleading? They show both individuals and PACs (which, for most companies, are also contributions from employees). But anytime you see those lists they are contributions from the employees, not the actual organization. Companies are extremely loath to spend corporate dollars because it would piss of roughly half their stakeholders.

I might register as a D for the primary to vote for Bernie. You know, if it's not over by the time it gets to PA. I mean, he may be a socialist, but at least he's not a Clinton.

Undermind, you sure you don't want to just make this the 2016 Election thread? Three election threads (2 primary 1 general) is too much even for me.
Thought about it, but I really have no interesting in reading anything about any of the Republicans.  They all suck!
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Re: 2016 Presidential Democratic Primary Thread
« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2015, 11:12:06 AM »
How are they misleading?

I guess I should have said misleading to me, cause I don't fully understand campaign finance.
Oh, and to superfreakie.

Haha, sorry, that was aimed at the UC disclosure, not at you. I mean, if they're gonna explicitly call out a website, they probably should note that OpenSecrets.org has this big disclaimer at the bottom of every donor listing page (emphasis in original):

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The organizations themselves did not donate, rather the money came from the organizations' PACs, their individual members or employees or owners, and those individuals' immediate families. Organization totals include subsidiaries and affiliates.

How are they misleading? They show both individuals and PACs (which, for most companies, are also contributions from employees). But anytime you see those lists they are contributions from the employees, not the actual organization. Companies are extremely loath to spend corporate dollars because it would piss of roughly half their stakeholders.

I might register as a D for the primary to vote for Bernie. You know, if it's not over by the time it gets to PA. I mean, he may be a socialist, but at least he's not a Clinton.

Undermind, you sure you don't want to just make this the 2016 Election thread? Three election threads (2 primary 1 general) is too much even for me.
Thought about it, but I really have no interesting in reading anything about any of the Republicans.  They all suck!

Yeah, but don't you want to laugh at them? I do.
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Re: 2016 Presidential Democratic Primary Thread
« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2015, 11:25:44 AM »
When I want a laugh, I'll go to the Eagles thread.

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Re: 2016 Presidential Democratic Primary Thread
« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2015, 02:45:11 PM »
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The organizations themselves did not donate, rather the money came from the organizations' PACs, their individual members or employees or owners, and those individuals' immediate families. Organization totals include subsidiaries and affiliates.

How would any campaign-contributions database necessarily know where an individual works when they donate money? Surely you don't have to name your employer when giving to a candidate, do you?
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