Star Wars: The Force Awakens discussion

[VDB]

Any explanation that has Snoke and Vader being the same would completely undermine one of the main narrative arcs of the first six films though, wouldn't it?

I saw the movie again last night. I may have liked it more this go-around. Equally as much, at least. Lots of little things take on more significance when you know the full story, including, I think, some things that might seem troubling or too coincidental or convenient or left unsaid on a first viewing. This has me feeling that, as even more of the picture becomes clearer over the subsequent films, Force Awakens may not only hold up well but in fact strengthen.

[blatboom]

oh it gets better dudes

[blatboom]

I saw the movie again last night. I may have liked it more this go-around. Equally as much, at least. Lots of little things take on more significance when you know the full story, including, I think, some things that might seem troubling or too coincidental or convenient or left unsaid on a first viewing. This has me feeling that, as even more of the picture becomes clearer over the subsequent films, Force Awakens may not only hold up well but in fact strengthen.

hell yeah. for me at least once I was able to step back from the emotional rush of the movie being such an enjoyable experience I was able to start appreciating what these actors brought to the table. Ridley, Boyega, Isaac and yes Driver (he's SUPPOSED to be emo - he's still in the process of turning!) and most definitely Ford give 100% genuine performances

[Hicks]

Any explanation that has Snoke and Vader being the same would completely undermine one of the main narrative arcs of the first six films though, wouldn't it?

I saw the movie again last night. I may have liked it more this go-around. Equally as much, at least. Lots of little things take on more significance when you know the full story, including, I think, some things that might seem troubling or too coincidental or convenient or left unsaid on a first viewing. This has me feeling that, as even more of the picture becomes clearer over the subsequent films, Force Awakens may not only hold up well but in fact strengthen.

Felt completely the opposite, no real desire to see it again in the theater after the second time around.  And that's coming from a guy who saw ep I and II in the theater at least three times each. 

[phil]

Any explanation that has Snoke and Vader being the same would completely undermine one of the main narrative arcs of the first six films though, wouldn't it?

I saw the movie again last night. I may have liked it more this go-around. Equally as much, at least. Lots of little things take on more significance when you know the full story, including, I think, some things that might seem troubling or too coincidental or convenient or left unsaid on a first viewing. This has me feeling that, as even more of the picture becomes clearer over the subsequent films, Force Awakens may not only hold up well but in fact strengthen.

Felt completely the opposite, no real desire to see it again in the theater after the second time around.  And that's coming from a guy who saw ep I and II in the theater at least three times each.

Damn. I'm going to see it a 5th time on Tuesday. So far I've found something different to appreciate with each viewing, but that's probably because I've been doing lots of background reading that's made me want to go back and look for specific things in the film.

But we see Anakin/Vader's spirit/Force next to Yoda and Obi Wan at the end of Return of the Jedi, so that leads me to believe that he really is dead. However in the original Trilogy when a Jedi dies their bodies disappear (happened to both Obi and Yoda), however when Vader dies his body doesn't disappear. Wat up wit dat?

Making yourself into a "Force Ghost" is a jedi-only skill. I think since Anakin reverted to the light just before dying he was able to become a force ghost. The body not disappearing is a little confusing, it seems 50/50 on which bodies disappear and which stick around (Yoda and Obi-Wan disappear but Qui-Gon Jinn and Anakin/Vader don't)

[kellerb]

Any explanation that has Snoke and Vader being the same would completely undermine one of the main narrative arcs of the first six films though, wouldn't it?

Yeah they'd have to have a pretty good explanation of how Vader ended up non-dead and also full-evil again.

Also, Ren has Vader's burnt/melted helmet and is a total Vader fan-boy.  Why would he not know Snoke is his grandpa and/or why wouldn't Snoke tell him. 

[Hicks]

Any explanation that has Snoke and Vader being the same would completely undermine one of the main narrative arcs of the first six films though, wouldn't it?

I saw the movie again last night. I may have liked it more this go-around. Equally as much, at least. Lots of little things take on more significance when you know the full story, including, I think, some things that might seem troubling or too coincidental or convenient or left unsaid on a first viewing. This has me feeling that, as even more of the picture becomes clearer over the subsequent films, Force Awakens may not only hold up well but in fact strengthen.

Felt completely the opposite, no real desire to see it again in the theater after the second time around.  And that's coming from a guy who saw ep I and II in the theater at least three times each.

Damn. I'm going to see it a 5th time on Tuesday. So far I've found something different to appreciate with each viewing, but that's probably because I've been doing lots of background reading that's made me want to go back and look for specific things in the film.

But we see Anakin/Vader's spirit/Force next to Yoda and Obi Wan at the end of Return of the Jedi, so that leads me to believe that he really is dead. However in the original Trilogy when a Jedi dies their bodies disappear (happened to both Obi and Yoda), however when Vader dies his body doesn't disappear. Wat up wit dat?

Making yourself into a "Force Ghost" is a jedi-only skill. I think since Anakin reverted to the light just before dying he was able to become a force ghost. The body not disappearing is a little confusing, it seems 50/50 on which bodies disappear and which stick around (Yoda and Obi-Wan disappear but Qui-Gon Jinn and Anakin/Vader don't)

You are trying really hard, I'll give you that. 

[VDB]

But we see Anakin/Vader's spirit/Force next to Yoda and Obi Wan at the end of Return of the Jedi, so that leads me to believe that he really is dead. However in the original Trilogy when a Jedi dies their bodies disappear (happened to both Obi and Yoda), however when Vader dies his body doesn't disappear. Wat up wit dat?

Making yourself into a "Force Ghost" is a jedi-only skill. I think since Anakin reverted to the light just before dying he was able to become a force ghost. The body not disappearing is a little confusing, it seems 50/50 on which bodies disappear and which stick around (Yoda and Obi-Wan disappear but Qui-Gon Jinn and Anakin/Vader don't)

Might have something to do with the degree of readiness/willingness on the part of the dying Jedi? We could probably debate whether Vader knew he was definitely sacrificing himself or not.

[blatboom]

I would hate for Luke's redemption of Anakin to be compromised in any way (beyond George pasting fucking Hayden Christensen in the final cut  :x :x :x ) but there has to be something more to Snoke to raise his street cred. I agree with the critiques that the guy did not fit in this movie at all. hope it's something deeper than him simply pulling the emperor's strings from the beginning/ Darth Plagius/ what have you.

[zimbra]

Any explanation that has Snoke and Vader being the same would completely undermine one of the main narrative arcs of the first six films though, wouldn't it?

Yeah they'd have to have a pretty good explanation of how Vader ended up non-dead and also full-evil again.

Also, Ren has Vader's burnt/melted helmet and is a total Vader fan-boy.  Why would he not know Snoke is his grandpa and/or why wouldn't Snoke tell him.

Vader fan-boys are the worst!  :hereitisyousentimentalbastard

[VDB]

there has to be something more to Snoke to raise his street cred. I agree with the critiques that the guy did not fit in this movie at all.

I gotta be honest, the mere inclusion of his name in the Han/Leia, Han/Ren scenes took a bit of poignancy out of them.

[rowjimmy]

Disagree.

it's not as if the emperor was particularly prominent in Ep4.

[mistercharlie]

I've got to agree with rj here. Snoke's presence greatly parallels Palpatine's presence in  New Hope.

[blatboom]

yeah but we're 30 years past the emperor now and you can't really think Snoke is simply his successor.. I mean he might be but that's kinda weak imo

[blatboom]

there has to be something more to Snoke to raise his street cred. I agree with the critiques that the guy did not fit in this movie at all.

I gotta be honest, the mere inclusion of his name in the Han/Leia, Han/Ren scenes took a bit of poignancy out of them.

you are totally right. the only remotely cringe-worthy dialogue throughout the whole movie. "no..it was Snoke!"