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Re: 2016 Presidential General Election
« Reply #240 on: November 11, 2016, 04:58:06 PM »


Don't call bvaz a non-thinking person, jeez.  :wink:
it is kind of what he did.  but I called you ignorant, so it is all good.  :wink:

I said my peace.  I got frustrated.  I got over it.
I am who I am.  I am always going to say what I think even if I know it is 10 against 1.  I say what I think is right and I still firmly believe everything I typed in this thread (except for you being ignorant).
I never regret speaking my mind and don't really care if anyone finds me to be a bigot or racist.  to my knowledge, no one who actually knows me feels that way.
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Re: 2016 Presidential General Election
« Reply #241 on: November 11, 2016, 05:03:56 PM »


Don't call bvaz a non-thinking person, jeez.  :wink:
it is kind of what he did.  but I called you ignorant, so it is all good.  :wink:

I said my peace.  I got frustrated.  I got over it.
I am who I am.  I am always going to say what I think even if I know it is 10 against 1.  I say what I think is right and I still firmly believe everything I typed in this thread (except for you being ignorant).
I never regret speaking my mind and don't really care if anyone finds me to be a bigot or racist.  to my knowledge, no one who actually knows me feels that way.

I appreciate your point of view, even if I rarely agree with it. 

I think it's the dismissal of differing points of view that lead to the rise of Trump in the first place. 

It's clear to me that those of us on the left would do well to listen to the complaints of the working class folks who supported him.  While I don't agree with their votes, I have no doubt that their pain and frustration with our government is justified. 
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Re: 2016 Presidential General Election
« Reply #242 on: November 11, 2016, 05:10:10 PM »


Don't call bvaz a non-thinking person, jeez.  :wink:
it is kind of what he did.  but I called you ignorant, so it is all good.  :wink:

I said my peace.  I got frustrated.  I got over it.
I am who I am.  I am always going to say what I think even if I know it is 10 against 1.  I say what I think is right and I still firmly believe everything I typed in this thread (except for you being ignorant).
I never regret speaking my mind and don't really care if anyone finds me to be a bigot or racist.  to my knowledge, no one who actually knows me feels that way.

I appreciate your point of view, even if I rarely agree with it. 

I think it's the dismissal of differing points of view that lead to the rise of Trump in the first place. 

It's clear to me that those of us on the left would do well to listen to the complaints of the working class folks who supported him.  While I don't agree with their votes, I have no doubt that their pain and frustration with our government is justified.
thanks man.  my problem is that I need to stop after 2 posts.  I can never get that part right.  :-D

I know you didn't say it but I just want to be absolutely clear.  I don't support trump.  it is not that I agree with what he says or does, I just am scared that we have a President who doesn't have any political experience or even desires to act like a politician.

I think it was Dan that said it (and probably everyone).  I just hope this wakes up both parties.  I think both parties need to realize how split the country is.

last point.  keep in mind that I live in one of the most liberal states in the country.  I'm a liberal in 45 of the 50 states.  we just happen to have a lot of the social issues figured out in this state already.  I tend to turn my attention toward other issues.  I know some on here don't agree with that, but that is ok.
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Re: 2016 Presidential General Election
« Reply #243 on: November 11, 2016, 06:03:40 PM »


Don't call bvaz a non-thinking person, jeez.  :wink:
it is kind of what he did.  but I called you ignorant, so it is all good.  :wink:

I said my peace.  I got frustrated.  I got over it.
I am who I am.  I am always going to say what I think even if I know it is 10 against 1.  I say what I think is right and I still firmly believe everything I typed in this thread (except for you being ignorant).
I never regret speaking my mind and don't really care if anyone finds me to be a bigot or racist.  to my knowledge, no one who actually knows me feels that way.

I appreciate your point of view, even if I rarely agree with it. 

I think it's the dismissal of differing points of view that lead to the rise of Trump in the first place. 

It's clear to me that those of us on the left would do well to listen to the complaints of the working class folks who supported him.  While I don't agree with their votes, I have no doubt that their pain and frustration with our government is justified.
Of course it's justified, but the problem is theyve all been munipulated through fear and hatred propoganda into believeing that voting Republican is the solution to their "pain and frustration" when in fact it is the fucking cause, lmao.
Seriously i have zero sympathy here. -Shoot, i'm white and living below the poverty line so techincially i'm one of that demographic. These people are asking for an economic policy that only benefits the .1% They are fucked beyond belief now and they wont even be able to buy Haterade anymore without their food stamps, lol.
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Re: 2016 Presidential General Election
« Reply #244 on: November 11, 2016, 06:10:44 PM »


Don't call bvaz a non-thinking person, jeez.  :wink:
it is kind of what he did.

Not my intent!
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Re: 2016 Presidential General Election
« Reply #245 on: November 11, 2016, 06:27:37 PM »


Don't call bvaz a non-thinking person, jeez.  :wink:
it is kind of what he did.

Not my intent!
I was just kiding around.  only good people here.  no bad intentions.
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Re: 2016 Presidential General Election
« Reply #246 on: November 11, 2016, 07:40:57 PM »
I just lost a giant post of my pocket change on this subject.  Damn pocket computer and sausage fingers!  Is that a sign?
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Re: 2016 Presidential General Election
« Reply #247 on: November 11, 2016, 09:43:50 PM »
The working class thing makes for an interesting talking point and there is obviously something to it but, according to exit polling, Hillary won voters making less than 50k.

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http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/08/us/politics/election-exit-polls.html?_r=0

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Re: 2016 Presidential General Election
« Reply #248 on: November 11, 2016, 10:42:52 PM »
The working class thing makes for an interesting talking point and there is obviously something to it but, according to exit polling, Hillary won voters making less than 50k.

Data:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/08/us/politics/election-exit-polls.html?_r=0

Yeah I guess I should have specified that I meant white, working class folks.  Overlay race on the income demographics and I'm sure the numbers shift considerably. 
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Re: 2016 Presidential General Election
« Reply #249 on: November 12, 2016, 11:29:02 AM »
I was totally caught off guard at the grocery last night...
I tend to eat pretty healthy, mostly proteins and veggies... most things I buy say organic on them and are bought because of the small list of ingredients.

checking out last night, after going to the gym, the guy behind me remarks, "you must be one of those feminist, liberal hippies... you must be super upset over the election. Too bad your lying lady just couldn't beat our good man." I expected something along the lines of 'O'Doyle rules' after that.
I stared at the checkout lady and thanked her for ringing me up, wished her a good night, and started to walk away. I then became the arrogant daddy's girl who does yoga and doesn't pay for anything when he thought I couldn't hear him.

maybe I just noticed it for the first time after reading all these horrible things in the past few days and people have always grumbled at me... or maybe it's never happened before. I don't know.
I'm now a super uncomfortable American... for everyone. I knew Ohio and I would eventually not see eye to eye... I just didn't expect it this soon.

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Re: 2016 Presidential General Election
« Reply #250 on: November 14, 2016, 03:53:14 PM »
Clear-headed, intelligent, non-partisan analysis (as usual) in Dan Carlin's post-election episode of Common Sense. Podcast fans are invited to check it out.
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Re: 2016 Presidential General Election
« Reply #251 on: November 14, 2016, 10:17:55 PM »
on the plus side i'm sorta glad to be back on the counter culture side of things again.
was  getting some nice sympathetic flirty vibes from all the chicas at the market today.
maybe these milenial hipsters will finally learn what it really means not to be mainstream too.
definitely should provide from some real revloutionary art, music, and literature for a change.
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Re: 2016 Presidential General Election
« Reply #252 on: November 15, 2016, 09:17:41 AM »
Clear-headed, intelligent, non-partisan analysis (as usual) in Dan Carlin's post-election episode of Common Sense. Podcast fans are invited to check it out.

Downloading now. Thanks.

on the plus side i'm sorta glad to be back on the counter culture side of things again.
was  getting some nice sympathetic flirty vibes from all the chicas at the market today.
maybe these milenial hipsters will finally learn what it really means not to be mainstream too.
definitely should provide from some real revloutionary art, music, and literature for a change.

That's the spirit!

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Re: 2016 Presidential General Election
« Reply #253 on: November 15, 2016, 09:52:18 AM »
definitely should provide from some real revloutionary art, music, and literature for a change.

Heh, I (optimistically) reached a similar conclusion last week. Not necessarily because of revolutionary, 60s-style angst but maybe simply from people now having more free time on account of having to keep their eyes off the news for their own sanity's sake.
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Re: 2016 Presidential General Election
« Reply #254 on: November 15, 2016, 10:53:53 AM »
definitely should provide from some real revloutionary art, music, and literature for a change.

Heh, I (optimistically) reached a similar conclusion last week. Not necessarily because of revolutionary, 60s-style angst but maybe simply from people now having more free time on account of having to keep their eyes off the news for their own sanity's sake.

Already got two songs down since Tuesday.