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« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2009, 12:14:53 PM »
Its a crazy time that we live in when the President of the United States of America is about to take the stage in New Hampshire and theres a dude on private church property w/ a gun strapped to his side, and the NH police say its completely legal for him to be standing there w/ his pistol as long as its not concealed. 

Why do people think they need to bring a gun to a Town Hall Meeting about Health Insurance Reform?

Where were this guy and his pistol and his sign about "Watering the Tree of Liberty" when President Bush was trampling all over our civil rights and constitution?


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« Reply #17 on: August 11, 2009, 09:52:22 PM »
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« Reply #18 on: August 18, 2009, 02:08:34 AM »
I've seen a lot of things lately that suggest that there's more like 9 million people who can't afford healthcare that whatever 40-50 million our money hungry congress people would have us believe.  That number comes from the oh so accurate census, being out of healthcare for a month puts you as a statistic on that list, people who can afford healthcare and choose not to have it (some high percentage of people in their 20s), and people who qualify for care but are uninformed.

So 9 million people should be simple to work with, but it begs the question of if we even need something other than a simple reform to what we have.
Check your sources.
http://factcheck.org/2009/06/the-real-uninsured/

Yeah, factcheck does give more information on it but doesn't say that yes, the number is exactly that -nor does it say what it actually is - or even give an estimate (unless they're agreeing to the 45.7M).  The real bottom line is getting insurance to people who "really" cannot afford it, or who it's not available to.  As fact-check points out, there are many reasons why people don't have insurance...  Money is one of them, and it might be the biggest reason, but how can you lump everyone who is out of insurance into that group?  The 9M figure I threw out (what I heard on the radio - not a conservative station) may be way off, but so may the 45.7M figure.  Maybe it's more like 25M.  Unfortunately, nobody has a number with a good degree of accuracy and I'm not about to be all gung ho about higher taxes for something so vague.

Finally, I'm not adamant about the exact figure, but It'd be nice if fact-check or someone else could come up with an estimate that at least takes all of this into account.

Here's fact-check's last paragraph:
In short, it’s true that many of the 45.7 million "uninsured" could find coverage through existing government programs or pay for their own coverage if they chose. Some, perhaps 6 million, are illegal immigrants who would not receive coverage under any proposal now being considered. Do these amount to half the total, as former Sen. Thompson implied? That’s possible, but we judge that the available evidence doesn’t support that conclusion.

So it IS possible.
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« Reply #19 on: August 18, 2009, 08:46:13 AM »
Fred Thompson, for the record, is dumb and thinks Americans are dumber.
When campaigning for the presidency, he'd roll into town in a limousine, then jump into a pickup truck to drive a block over to his rally. "Because he's just like regular people."


Fact of the matter is, you already pay for the health care of the uninsured; illegal immigrants or no.
Hospitals cannot, legally, turn away sick patients and they pass the cost of their rising overhead to the patients that actually pay. that's one of many reasons that health insurance premiums continue to skyrocket.

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« Reply #20 on: August 18, 2009, 03:06:56 PM »
Fred Thompson is an idiot. 

Sadly, Congressional Democrats are being bigger idiots currently.  The House insists on the public option, the Senate cant support it, and the White House is currently acting like a Waffle House.  And Im not talking about the Belgian kind, or the diner chain.   

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« Reply #21 on: August 18, 2009, 09:27:50 PM »
Fact of the matter is, you already pay for the health care of the uninsured; illegal immigrants or no.
Hospitals cannot, legally, turn away sick patients and they pass the cost of their rising overhead to the patients that actually pay. that's one of many reasons that health insurance premiums continue to skyrocket.

To elaborate on RJ's comment; because the only way for an illegal immigrant to see a doctor is by passing through an emergency room, as they cannot be refused, not only do they increase costs but in addition, they contribute to the extended wait times suffered by those with real emergencies. Reform might possibly find a way to alleviate these incidences, as well as find a way to charge them, for many obviously do not return to pay the bills incurred from these ER visits for fear they may be deported through a paper trail.

Second, assuming that you can not keep track of undocumented workers nor plug the holes that allow them to continue working in the States (ie. employers looking for cheap labor to smugglers who will find a way), somehow government needs to create a voluntarily program whereby they may be loosely monitored in case, god forbid, there is ever a true epidemic (I am looking at you media hyped swine flu). Having some sort of health statistics might aid in prevention or at least containment of a possible disaster. 
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« Reply #22 on: August 18, 2009, 09:52:54 PM »
Fact of the matter is, you already pay for the health care of the uninsured; illegal immigrants or no.
Hospitals cannot, legally, turn away sick patients and they pass the cost of their rising overhead to the patients that actually pay. that's one of many reasons that health insurance premiums continue to skyrocket.

To elaborate on RJ's comment; because the only way for an illegal immigrant to see a doctor is by passing through an emergency room, as they cannot be refused, not only do they increase costs but in addition, they contribute to the extended wait times suffered by those with real emergencies. Reform might possibly find a way to alleviate these incidences, as well as find a way to charge them, for many obviously do not return to pay the bills incurred from these ER visits for fear they may be deported through a paper trail.

Second, assuming that you can not keep track of undocumented workers nor plug the holes that allow them to continue working in the States (ie. employers looking for cheap labor to smugglers who will find a way), somehow government needs to create a voluntarily program whereby they may be loosely monitored in case, god forbid, there is ever a true epidemic (I am looking at you media hyped swine flu). Having some sort of health statistics might aid in prevention or at least containment of a possible disaster.

Let me paraphrase for republicans:
1.  You're already paying for illegal immigrants and non-insured people to receive health care, via your huge insurance premiums.
2.  They only go to the most expensive places (ER's), with conditions that are comparatively expensive (Because they haven't been previously treated)
3.  If you paid for their PREVENTATIVE healthcare (read: the cheapest form) via commie red socialist big gov't medicine, you'd save money.
4.  The best thing to do is to go to town hall meetings wearing unconcealed weapons.

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« Reply #23 on: August 18, 2009, 10:16:45 PM »
Fact of the matter is, you already pay for the health care of the uninsured; illegal immigrants or no.
Hospitals cannot, legally, turn away sick patients and they pass the cost of their rising overhead to the patients that actually pay. that's one of many reasons that health insurance premiums continue to skyrocket.

To elaborate on RJ's comment; because the only way for an illegal immigrant to see a doctor is by passing through an emergency room, as they cannot be refused, not only do they increase costs but in addition, they contribute to the extended wait times suffered by those with real emergencies. Reform might possibly find a way to alleviate these incidences, as well as find a way to charge them, for many obviously do not return to pay the bills incurred from these ER visits for fear they may be deported through a paper trail.

Second, assuming that you can not keep track of undocumented workers nor plug the holes that allow them to continue working in the States (ie. employers looking for cheap labor to smugglers who will find a way), somehow government needs to create a voluntarily program whereby they may be loosely monitored in case, god forbid, there is ever a true epidemic (I am looking at you media hyped swine flu). Having some sort of health statistics might aid in prevention or at least containment of a possible disaster.

Let me paraphrase for republicans:
1.  You're already paying for illegal immigrants and non-insured people to receive health care, via your huge insurance premiums.
2.  They only go to the most expensive places (ER's), with conditions that are comparatively expensive (Because they haven't been previously treated)
3.  If you paid for their PREVENTATIVE healthcare (read: the cheapest form) via commie red socialist big gov't medicine, you'd save money.
4.  The best thing to do is to go to town hall meetings wearing unconcealed weapons.

Absolutely brilliant; Kellerb, master of the paraphrase. ROFLMAO. I can't wait to drink with you someday. Actually, I can't wait to have drinks with many people on this board  :beers:
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« Reply #24 on: August 18, 2009, 10:18:31 PM »
But its not the R's that are holding this ship up at this point, even if the House and Obama wanted to force this thing through, the Senate is douching up the whole thing. 

The R's have a simple strategy - water this thing down enough that it doesnt work, and then claim that it doesnt work because its government run.  This way they can continue to operate under the false pretense that theyre really against large Government, and blame the Democratic government for the failure of health insurance / care reform. 

The real kick in the pants is that they dont even have to enact this strategy to its full extent, because the moron Dems are going to do a fine enough job watering it down and taking any true "reform" out of the bill. 

Quite frankly, Obama is the most prolific and influential Dem for many years, its about time he enacts some of the strategies and tactics that he used to dispel the myths during the campaign and get tough on these Senatorial Dems who want to work against the platform that got him elected and got them their huge majorities on both sides of the congress. 

If youre not calling your Senators, youre not helping.  We need a ground movement like we had in the election, but too many Americans only get semi-motivated politically every 4 years, and figure they can just sit back and let the bureaucrats run the government. 

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« Reply #25 on: August 18, 2009, 10:41:17 PM »
among the problems is that the scare tactics are working.

the people against it are riled up, the people for it are not. many of the people I have spoken to that are against it are quoting the lies they here on TV.

once again, if you say something loud enough and often enough, it becomes true
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« Reply #27 on: August 19, 2009, 08:58:34 AM »
once again, if you say something loud enough and often enough, it becomes true
So I'm really not hung like a race horse? 
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« Reply #28 on: August 19, 2009, 08:03:24 PM »
kucinich on olbermann  schultz tonight talking healthcare....

oh and
Absolutely brilliant; Kellerb, master of the paraphrase. ROFLMAO. I can't wait to drink with you someday.

it delivers

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« Reply #29 on: August 19, 2009, 08:14:28 PM »
kucinich on olbermann tonight talking healthcare....

oh and
Absolutely brilliant; Kellerb, master of the paraphrase. ROFLMAO. I can't wait to drink with you someday.

it delivers
I'm just like this, but out loud.