08/10 - Town Park - Telluride, CO - Post-Show Discussion and Review

[mistercharlie]

A whole lot of songs that I wanted to hear at Deer Creek were played last night.

Set II looks great, can't wait to hear this.

Oh, and Stealing Time is my favorite Joy song.

[rowjimmy]

it's all subjective.  Stealing Time rocks, and I like Limb & Bouncin.

This

[mistercharlie]

it's all subjective.  Stealing Time rocks, and I like Limb. Bouncin blows donkeys though.

This

FYPFM

[Buffalo Budd]

I'd say your math is wrong but you're entitled to to dislike good songs if you want.

I'll have to go with RJ on this one.  I guess Mar and I just disagree on some of Phish's material.
One man's trash is another man's treasure.

[sophist]

I think we all know that what a set looks like on paper has little bearing to how it sounds (unless the letters are sequenced thusly: TTE.)

I'm looking at the song selection though, it's weaksauce.  For all the trouble people were put through to get to telluride, they drop a let me lie on them?  Come on, we all know that's weak as shit.  Where's the Icculus, the Curtain (With)?  For pitching such a fit about getting their way for these shows, the band didn't deliver with song choice.  The town had to vote to approve them, and they play what could of been just another night at some outdoor shed.  So many repeats from the Greek too, it's weak.  A one show gap for # line?  That's laughable to me.  Two shows for Stealing time.  Again, laughable.  The west coast got the shaft with song selection, and that's not cool.  If you're not going to jam, at least mix up the setlist for those that did the run.   This is the same band that started leg one with four shows without a repeat: 6/11, 6/12, 6/13, 6/15, and they repeat 4 songs on 6/17.  Then at the end of the tour, the Camden and MPP repeats didn't surface until Alpharetta.  Meaning it was a 5 show rotation.   Look at the breakdown of repeats each night from the Greek: 

night I repeats- 6 (DWD, Ocelot, Possum, # Line, Tweezer, Tweezprise)
night II repeats- 6 (STFTFP, Div'd Sky, Antelope, Mike's Song, Weekapaug Groove, YEM)

Going into this, there were many things they could of done to make them truly epic and timeless shows, but they didn't from a song selection stand point.  That's my problem.  I'm sure they played the songs well, but that's pretty easy to do when you are playing the same material every 2-3 shows. 

[mehead]

I think we all know that what a set looks like on paper has little bearing to how it sounds (unless the letters are sequenced thusly: TTE.)

I'm looking at the song selection though, it's weaksauce.  For all the trouble people were put through to get to telluride, they drop a let me lie on them?  Come on, we all know that's weak as shit.  Where's the Icculus, the Curtain (With)?  For pitching such a fit about getting their way for these shows, the band didn't deliver with song choice.  The town had to vote to approve them, and they play what could of been just another night at some outdoor shed.  So many repeats from the Greek too, it's weak.  A one show gap for # line?  That's laughable to me.  Two shows for Stealing time.  Again, laughable.  The west coast got the shaft with song selection, and that's not cool.  If you're not going to jam, at least mix up the setlist for those that did the run.   This is the same band that started leg one with four shows without a repeat: 6/11, 6/12, 6/13, 6/15, and they repeat 4 songs on 6/17.  Then at the end of the tour, the Camden and MPP repeats didn't surface until Alpharetta.  Meaning it was a 5 show rotation.   Look at the breakdown of repeats each night from the Greek: 

night I repeats- 6 (DWD, Ocelot, Possum, # Line, Tweezer, Tweezprise)
night II repeats- 6 (STFTFP, Div'd Sky, Antelope, Mike's Song, Weekapaug Groove, YEM)

Going into this, there were many things they could of done to make them truly epic and timeless shows, but they didn't from a song selection stand point.  That's my problem.  I'm sure they played the songs well, but that's pretty easy to do when you are playing the same material every 2-3 shows.

I see your point but if you're not used to repeats by now from 3.0 then, well, I don't know..repeats - Possum, DS, DWD, Tweezer, etc...I'm not about to count the gap between each of those performances but we have heard our share of each for quite some time...and at this point it's obvious that the venue alone doesn't mean shit..sorry, but if I went to Telluride and over 2 nights I got a YEM, Tweezer (even though it was only 6 min), Antelope, DWD, Mike's Groove, and everything else they played I would be happy..

[rowjimmy]

Drop the gap charts and listen to the music.

Stats mean nothing is the shit is rockin'.

[sophist]

I think we all know that what a set looks like on paper has little bearing to how it sounds (unless the letters are sequenced thusly: TTE.)

I'm looking at the song selection though, it's weaksauce.  For all the trouble people were put through to get to telluride, they drop a let me lie on them?  Come on, we all know that's weak as shit.  Where's the Icculus, the Curtain (With)?  For pitching such a fit about getting their way for these shows, the band didn't deliver with song choice.  The town had to vote to approve them, and they play what could of been just another night at some outdoor shed.  So many repeats from the Greek too, it's weak.  A one show gap for # line?  That's laughable to me.  Two shows for Stealing time.  Again, laughable.  The west coast got the shaft with song selection, and that's not cool.  If you're not going to jam, at least mix up the setlist for those that did the run.   This is the same band that started leg one with four shows without a repeat: 6/11, 6/12, 6/13, 6/15, and they repeat 4 songs on 6/17.  Then at the end of the tour, the Camden and MPP repeats didn't surface until Alpharetta.  Meaning it was a 5 show rotation.   Look at the breakdown of repeats each night from the Greek: 

night I repeats- 6 (DWD, Ocelot, Possum, # Line, Tweezer, Tweezprise)
night II repeats- 6 (STFTFP, Div'd Sky, Antelope, Mike's Song, Weekapaug Groove, YEM)

Going into this, there were many things they could of done to make them truly epic and timeless shows, but they didn't from a song selection stand point.  That's my problem.  I'm sure they played the songs well, but that's pretty easy to do when you are playing the same material every 2-3 shows.

I see your point but if you're not used to repeats by now from 3.0 then, well, I don't know..repeats - Possum, DS, DWD, Tweezer, etc...I'm not about to count the gap between each of those performances but we have heard our share of each for quite some time...and at this point it's obvious that the venue alone doesn't mean shit..sorry, but if I went to Telluride and over 2 nights I got a YEM, Tweezer (even though it was only 6 min), Antelope, DWD, Mike's Groove, and everything else they played I would be happy..

That's all you man.  I'm content hearing those one time a tour.  Part of what makes Phish, Phish is the element of surprise, and this complacency with repeats doesn't do it for me.  I think the playing from the Greek is better than most of leg I, but I'd take the song rotation of Chicago -> Hartford over Greek -> Tride.   

[mehead]

Drop the gap charts and listen to the music.

Stats mean nothing is the shit is rockin'.

exactly...when I was touring back in the '90's, trust me, I saw my share of repeats...they could play Antelope every night and I would be psyched

[mehead]

I think we all know that what a set looks like on paper has little bearing to how it sounds (unless the letters are sequenced thusly: TTE.)

I'm looking at the song selection though, it's weaksauce.  For all the trouble people were put through to get to telluride, they drop a let me lie on them?  Come on, we all know that's weak as shit.  Where's the Icculus, the Curtain (With)?  For pitching such a fit about getting their way for these shows, the band didn't deliver with song choice.  The town had to vote to approve them, and they play what could of been just another night at some outdoor shed.  So many repeats from the Greek too, it's weak.  A one show gap for # line?  That's laughable to me.  Two shows for Stealing time.  Again, laughable.  The west coast got the shaft with song selection, and that's not cool.  If you're not going to jam, at least mix up the setlist for those that did the run.   This is the same band that started leg one with four shows without a repeat: 6/11, 6/12, 6/13, 6/15, and they repeat 4 songs on 6/17.  Then at the end of the tour, the Camden and MPP repeats didn't surface until Alpharetta.  Meaning it was a 5 show rotation.   Look at the breakdown of repeats each night from the Greek: 

night I repeats- 6 (DWD, Ocelot, Possum, # Line, Tweezer, Tweezprise)
night II repeats- 6 (STFTFP, Div'd Sky, Antelope, Mike's Song, Weekapaug Groove, YEM)

Going into this, there were many things they could of done to make them truly epic and timeless shows, but they didn't from a song selection stand point.  That's my problem.  I'm sure they played the songs well, but that's pretty easy to do when you are playing the same material every 2-3 shows.

I see your point but if you're not used to repeats by now from 3.0 then, well, I don't know..repeats - Possum, DS, DWD, Tweezer, etc...I'm not about to count the gap between each of those performances but we have heard our share of each for quite some time...and at this point it's obvious that the venue alone doesn't mean shit..sorry, but if I went to Telluride and over 2 nights I got a YEM, Tweezer (even though it was only 6 min), Antelope, DWD, Mike's Groove, and everything else they played I would be happy..

That's all you man.  I'm content hearing those one time a tour.  Part of what makes Phish, Phish is the element of surprise, and this complacency with repeats doesn't do it for me.  I think the playing from the Greek is better than most of leg I, but I'd take the song rotation of Chicago -> Hartford over Greek -> Tride.

Chicago - 1 show
Greek - 3 shows

[willsteele]

...and at this point it's obvious that the venue alone doesn't mean shit..sorry, but if I went to Telluride and over 2 nights I got a YEM, Tweezer (even though it was only 6 min), Antelope, DWD, Mike's Groove, and everything else they played I would be happy..

For real.

[sophist]

Drop the gap charts and listen to the music.

Stats mean nothing is the shit is rockin'.

exactly...when I was touring back in the '90's, trust me, I saw my share of repeats...they could play Antelope every night and I would be psyched

Are you really trying to tell me that you think how they play Antelope now even compares?  Come on dude, you coming across as a huge apologist to me with this argument.   It's not even close, especially on tape.  They're going to play crap, it's part of the game, and this "every show rocks" mentality is silly.  It's okay to point out that they didn't deliver on what was suppose to be some epic shows.  I'd say the same of what I saw with the third and fourth. 

Drop the gap charts and listen to the music.

Stats mean nothing is the shit is rockin'.

Then why even play different sets anymore?  If the focus is to rock, why not just play the same show? 

I think we all know that what a set looks like on paper has little bearing to how it sounds (unless the letters are sequenced thusly: TTE.)

I'm looking at the song selection though, it's weaksauce.  For all the trouble people were put through to get to telluride, they drop a let me lie on them?  Come on, we all know that's weak as shit.  Where's the Icculus, the Curtain (With)?  For pitching such a fit about getting their way for these shows, the band didn't deliver with song choice.  The town had to vote to approve them, and they play what could of been just another night at some outdoor shed.  So many repeats from the Greek too, it's weak.  A one show gap for # line?  That's laughable to me.  Two shows for Stealing time.  Again, laughable.  The west coast got the shaft with song selection, and that's not cool.  If you're not going to jam, at least mix up the setlist for those that did the run.   This is the same band that started leg one with four shows without a repeat: 6/11, 6/12, 6/13, 6/15, and they repeat 4 songs on 6/17.  Then at the end of the tour, the Camden and MPP repeats didn't surface until Alpharetta.  Meaning it was a 5 show rotation.   Look at the breakdown of repeats each night from the Greek: 

night I repeats- 6 (DWD, Ocelot, Possum, # Line, Tweezer, Tweezprise)
night II repeats- 6 (STFTFP, Div'd Sky, Antelope, Mike's Song, Weekapaug Groove, YEM)

Going into this, there were many things they could of done to make them truly epic and timeless shows, but they didn't from a song selection stand point.  That's my problem.  I'm sure they played the songs well, but that's pretty easy to do when you are playing the same material every 2-3 shows.

I see your point but if you're not used to repeats by now from 3.0 then, well, I don't know..repeats - Possum, DS, DWD, Tweezer, etc...I'm not about to count the gap between each of those performances but we have heard our share of each for quite some time...and at this point it's obvious that the venue alone doesn't mean shit..sorry, but if I went to Telluride and over 2 nights I got a YEM, Tweezer (even though it was only 6 min), Antelope, DWD, Mike's Groove, and everything else they played I would be happy..

That's all you man.  I'm content hearing those one time a tour.  Part of what makes Phish, Phish is the element of surprise, and this complacency with repeats doesn't do it for me.  I think the playing from the Greek is better than most of leg I, but I'd take the song rotation of Chicago -> Hartford over Greek -> Tride.

Chicago - 1 show
Greek - 3 shows

major fail dude.  I pointed out a run of leg one, not one show.  Making your point here moot. 

[Igbo]

Drop the gap charts and listen to the music.

Stats mean nothing is the shit is rockin'.

Can i get an Amen!?

[Buffalo Budd]

That's all you man.  I'm content hearing those one time a tour.  Part of what makes Phish, Phish is the element of surprise, and this complacency with repeats doesn't do it for me.  I think the playing from the Greek is better than most of leg I, but I'd take the song rotation of Chicago -> Hartford over Greek -> Tride.

I guess there's always WSP tour bud.

[willsteele]

It's okay to point out that they didn't deliver on what was suppose to be some epic shows. 

But who said they were going to be epic?  Phish?  Venue alone does not an epic show make.. er...  I think history has proven that.