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Title: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: Hicks on June 22, 2016, 08:29:31 PM
PHiSH
06-22-2016
Xcel Energy Center
St. Paul, MN

Set I: Pigtail*, Wolfman's Brother, Daniel Saw the Stone#, The Dogs, Undermind, Dear Prudence%, Stash, Round Room$ > Horn, Uncle Pen^, Halfway the Moon, Walls of the Cave

Set II:  Mike's Song > I am Hydrogen > Weekapaug Groove, Bouncing Around the Room, Ghost@, The Line, Simple > I Found a Reason+, No Men in No Man's Land, Billy Breathes, Bathtub Gin

E: Water in the Sky, Character Zero

*Last time played:  12/28/10

#Last time played:  6/30/12

%Last time played: 10/31/94

$Last time played:  1/1/11

^Last time played: 8/31/12

@Little Drummer Boy tease

+Last time played: 10/31/98

Streams:

http://mixlr.com/sunsonisphere/

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/taper420
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: Hicks on June 22, 2016, 08:30:07 PM
One cool thing about heart surgery, you can get pretty buzzed off of two beers, let's do this!!!!    :rawk: :rawk: :rawk:
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: mbw on June 22, 2016, 08:59:51 PM
Stream linkage?
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: cactusfan on June 22, 2016, 09:00:34 PM
fluffhead opener.
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: mehead on June 22, 2016, 09:04:40 PM
Believe this dooder will have it:

http://mixlr.com/sunsonisphere/

Agree with cactus, Fluff was going to be my pick as well
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: cactusfan on June 22, 2016, 09:08:23 PM
Quote from: mehead on June 22, 2016, 09:04:40 PM
Believe this dooder will have it:

http://mixlr.com/sunsonisphere/

Agree with cactus, Fluff was going to be my pick as well

i seem to be hearing some sort of new song about being unconscious? or am i imagining it?
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: mehead on June 22, 2016, 09:08:26 PM
Interesting opener
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: mehead on June 22, 2016, 09:08:43 PM
Quote from: cactusfan on June 22, 2016, 09:08:23 PM
Quote from: mehead on June 22, 2016, 09:04:40 PM
Believe this dooder will have it:

http://mixlr.com/sunsonisphere/

Agree with cactus, Fluff was going to be my pick as well

i seem to be hearing some sort of new song about being unconscious? or am i imagining it?

Pigtail
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: anthrax on June 22, 2016, 09:09:40 PM
awesome
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: cactusfan on June 22, 2016, 09:11:18 PM
Quote from: mehead on June 22, 2016, 09:08:43 PM
Quote from: cactusfan on June 22, 2016, 09:08:23 PM
Quote from: mehead on June 22, 2016, 09:04:40 PM
Believe this dooder will have it:

http://mixlr.com/sunsonisphere/

Agree with cactus, Fluff was going to be my pick as well

i seem to be hearing some sort of new song about being unconscious? or am i imagining it?

Pigtail

ah. trey band song. no wonder i forgot it existed... and that one other time phish played it. not bad.
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: fastfingers12 on June 22, 2016, 09:11:50 PM
Pigtail? Anyone using a better quality audio stream or is this all we have?
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: Hicks on June 22, 2016, 09:13:25 PM
Quote from: fastfingers12 on June 22, 2016, 09:11:50 PM
Pigtail? Anyone using a better quality audio stream or is this all we have?

This is sounding pretty good, taper420 is always solid:

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/taper420
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: DoW on June 22, 2016, 09:13:38 PM
howdy guys/gal(s)
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: fastfingers12 on June 22, 2016, 09:18:10 PM
Quote from: Hicks on June 22, 2016, 09:13:25 PM
Quote from: fastfingers12 on June 22, 2016, 09:11:50 PM
Pigtail? Anyone using a better quality audio stream or is this all we have?

This is sounding pretty good, taper420 is always solid:

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/taper420

Thats better!
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: Hicks on June 22, 2016, 09:20:18 PM
Page pushing some peaks early on hurr. 
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: shoreline99 on June 22, 2016, 09:20:35 PM
Anyone on FB, live for live music has a live vid stream up on their feed. Definitely not too sure about these video screens yet. Very distracting.
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: Hicks on June 22, 2016, 09:24:03 PM
Daniel Saw the Stone!
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: shoreline99 on June 22, 2016, 09:24:38 PM
Page killing it
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: Hicks on June 22, 2016, 09:24:45 PM
5th 6th time played since 1993!
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: fastfingers12 on June 22, 2016, 09:24:48 PM
Quote from: Hicks on June 22, 2016, 09:24:03 PM
Daniel Saw the Stone!
fuck yea!
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: fastfingers12 on June 22, 2016, 09:25:51 PM
Quote from: shoreline99 on June 22, 2016, 09:20:35 PM
Anyone on FB, live for live music has a live vid stream up on their feed. Definitely not too sure about these video screens yet. Very distracting.

WTU or GBL needs to get on that...but then again I wouldn't want to be doing that during a show...
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: shoreline99 on June 22, 2016, 09:26:43 PM
Video stream isn't bad
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: shoreline99 on June 22, 2016, 09:27:21 PM
Dogs btw
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: fastfingers12 on June 22, 2016, 09:27:49 PM
Quote from: shoreline99 on June 22, 2016, 09:26:43 PM
Video stream isn't bad
where?
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: emay on June 22, 2016, 09:28:49 PM
Nice looking tour opener so far.
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: shoreline99 on June 22, 2016, 09:29:30 PM
Quote from: shoreline99 on June 22, 2016, 09:20:35 PM
Anyone on FB, live for live music has a live vid stream up on their feed. Definitely not too sure about these video screens yet. Very distracting.
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: WhatstheUse? on June 22, 2016, 09:29:56 PM
I'm giving these LED screens a big fat NO THANKS. Ugh, distracting at best.
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: Hicks on June 22, 2016, 09:30:59 PM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on June 22, 2016, 09:29:56 PM
I'm giving these LED screens a big fat NO THANKS. Ugh, distracting at best.

Bummer. 
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: shoreline99 on June 22, 2016, 09:31:01 PM
That's my take too Scotty.
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: fastfingers12 on June 22, 2016, 09:31:07 PM
Quote from: shoreline99 on June 22, 2016, 09:29:30 PM
Quote from: shoreline99 on June 22, 2016, 09:20:35 PM
Anyone on FB, live for live music has a live vid stream up on their feed. Definitely not too sure about these video screens yet. Very distracting.

Shit I misread that.
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: WhatstheUse? on June 22, 2016, 09:31:11 PM
They are so bright they outshine the normal lights.
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: DoW on June 22, 2016, 09:31:27 PM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on June 22, 2016, 09:29:56 PM
I'm giving these LED screens a big fat NO THANKS. Ugh, distracting at best.
thanks for the update and fwiw, I am not surprised.
give me music or let me lie.   :frustrated:
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: shoreline99 on June 22, 2016, 09:32:54 PM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on June 22, 2016, 09:31:11 PM
They are so bright they outshine the normal lights.

It looks that way but I wasn't sure if it was just the live stream.
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: birdman on June 22, 2016, 09:33:04 PM
Quote from: DoW on June 22, 2016, 09:31:27 PM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on June 22, 2016, 09:29:56 PM
I'm giving these LED screens a big fat NO THANKS. Ugh, distracting at best.
thanks for the update and fwiw, I am not surprised.
give me music or let me lie.   :frustrated:
Yeah not a fan
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: shoreline99 on June 22, 2016, 09:33:57 PM
Nope
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: DoW on June 22, 2016, 09:36:50 PM
woah.  dear prudence
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: Hicks on June 22, 2016, 09:36:58 PM
HOLLEEEEEE SHITTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: fastfingers12 on June 22, 2016, 09:37:27 PM
Nice!!! what a weird setlist though
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: WhatstheUse? on June 22, 2016, 09:37:44 PM
Whooaaaaahhh!!!! What!!
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: DoW on June 22, 2016, 09:39:06 PM
this song does nothing but make you smile no matter where you are
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: Hicks on June 22, 2016, 09:39:13 PM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on June 22, 2016, 09:37:44 PM
Whooaaaaahhh!!!! What!!

DUUUUUUUDE!!!!!!!!!!!!     :beers: :beers: :beers:
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: WhatstheUse? on June 22, 2016, 09:40:28 PM
Trey broke a string!!! Literally never seen that happen!
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: DoW on June 22, 2016, 09:41:38 PM
ut uh.  3.0 stash.

I'm predicting best 3.0 stash
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: WhatstheUse? on June 22, 2016, 09:42:49 PM
These LED screens,,,, uuuugggghhhhh whhhhhyyyyyy.

Everytime they shit off and go back to just lights it's refreshing!
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: WhatstheUse? on June 22, 2016, 09:43:36 PM
Mom and dad like Iit though! No wooks around us - success!
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: fastfingers12 on June 22, 2016, 09:43:47 PM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on June 22, 2016, 09:42:49 PM
These LED screens,,,, uuuugggghhhhh whhhhhyyyyyy.

Everytime they shit off and go back to just lights it's refreshing!

This is where we will see what your parents are made of!

STASH
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: Hicks on June 22, 2016, 09:44:05 PM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on June 22, 2016, 09:40:28 PM
Trey broke a string!!! Literally never seen that happen!

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-zqDp42xLw_Y/T96DqH-QvlI/AAAAAAAAAnQ/KlSjo0pGAJg/s1600/must+be+a+sign.JPG)

That he's been practicing?
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: shoreline99 on June 22, 2016, 09:45:13 PM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on June 22, 2016, 09:43:36 PM
Mom and dad like Iit though! No wooks around us - success!

Yeah!
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: emay on June 22, 2016, 09:46:46 PM
Got that Daniel saw the stone though!
And dear prudence. Interesting.
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: sophist on June 22, 2016, 09:47:22 PM
I just watched a bunch of IG videos.  Straight on the screens look awesome.  At any angle, it looks like a clusterfuck. I'm all for trying something different. 
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: mbw on June 22, 2016, 10:19:25 PM
Didnt i read trey made a deal with the devil never to break a string?  Hmmm.
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: Hicks on June 22, 2016, 10:21:30 PM
Killer first set. 
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: mbw on June 22, 2016, 10:21:43 PM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on June 22, 2016, 05:27:50 PM
Or.... Daniel Saw the Stone because I want it!

Trey reads the paug.
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: pcr3 on June 22, 2016, 10:30:09 PM
Sup dudes. Watched Prudence and Stash on the FB video. Caught the audio of Halfway and Walls. They sound pretty good. Screens weren't overbearing from what I saw, but I was more listening than watching.

Say hi to the padres  :wtu:  I hope they're having a blast.

Cannot wait for Portland.
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: cactusfan on June 22, 2016, 10:39:30 PM
no new songs yet. interesting.
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: rowjimmy on June 22, 2016, 10:40:55 PM
So, um, on paper this first set is hitting a lot of good notes for me.
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: anthrax on June 22, 2016, 10:49:06 PM
Found that place next to the mall a few times during that set...love this shit
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: rowjimmy on June 22, 2016, 10:49:40 PM
Quote from: anthrax on June 22, 2016, 10:49:06 PM
Found that place next to the mall a few times during that set...love this shit
Love that spot.
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: pcr3 on June 22, 2016, 10:58:21 PM
Back on. Mike's
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: mehead on June 22, 2016, 11:22:18 PM
Here we go
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: Hicks on June 22, 2016, 11:23:12 PM
Feck yeah. 
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: pcr3 on June 22, 2016, 11:24:52 PM
Listen to that little drummer boy
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: Hicks on June 22, 2016, 11:25:46 PM
Quote from: pcr3 on June 22, 2016, 11:24:52 PM
Listen to that little drummer boy

Random tease for a summer show.
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: pcr3 on June 22, 2016, 11:26:49 PM
I have been digging Trey's tone tonight.
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: Hicks on June 22, 2016, 11:32:28 PM
lift off = denied
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: pcr3 on June 22, 2016, 11:32:44 PM
Shit got awkward
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: mehead on June 22, 2016, 11:35:56 PM
Quote from: pcr3 on June 22, 2016, 11:24:52 PM
Listen to that little drummer boy

What's weird is that during tonight's Wolfman jam there was about 10 seconds that was very similar to the jam that preceded the Litte Drummer Boy from 12/28/12.
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: pcr3 on June 22, 2016, 11:38:50 PM
Quote from: mehead on June 22, 2016, 11:35:56 PM
Quote from: pcr3 on June 22, 2016, 11:24:52 PM
Listen to that little drummer boy

What's weird is that during tonight's Wolfman jam there was about 10 seconds that was very similar to the jam that preceded the Litte Drummer Boy from 12/28/12.

Yeah, I've heard them play around it a bunch tonight. Some of that may be imagined.
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: Caravan2001 on June 22, 2016, 11:40:11 PM
 :beerbang:
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: Caravan2001 on June 22, 2016, 11:46:20 PM
VU?  Sick!
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: Hicks on June 22, 2016, 11:48:57 PM
Quote from: Caravan2001 on June 22, 2016, 11:46:20 PM
VU?  Sick!

Not played since 10/31/98, wow!
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: Caravan2001 on June 22, 2016, 11:49:33 PM
Quote from: Hicks on June 22, 2016, 11:48:57 PM
Quote from: Caravan2001 on June 22, 2016, 11:46:20 PM
VU?  Sick!

Not played since 10/31/98, wow!

Furb's parents bring the kick downs!
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: Caravan2001 on June 22, 2016, 11:50:07 PM
This does not suck.
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: cactusfan on June 22, 2016, 11:50:32 PM
whoa... i found a reason. neato.
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: Hicks on June 22, 2016, 11:50:47 PM
Set got a little shakey with the Ghost ripcord, but back on track now!
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: mehead on June 22, 2016, 11:52:42 PM
The Line still sucks. Hard.
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: pcr3 on June 22, 2016, 11:54:53 PM
Quote from: Caravan2001 on June 22, 2016, 11:50:07 PM
This does not suck.
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: Caravan2001 on June 22, 2016, 11:56:19 PM
The transition into I've got a Reason was $$$
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: pcr3 on June 22, 2016, 11:56:50 PM
Sweet skid stop to No Men.
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: Hicks on June 22, 2016, 11:59:46 PM
Nice BB kickdown, 5th time played in 3.0. 

Love this song. 
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: pcr3 on June 23, 2016, 12:03:39 AM
That was sweet.

This can only be good here, right?
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: runawayjimbo on June 23, 2016, 12:21:24 AM
Sup dudes

I've been in London all week and I just woke up early for the very tail end of Gin. How's it been? Pretty songy looking.
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: Hicks on June 23, 2016, 12:27:42 AM
Quote from: runawayjimbo on June 23, 2016, 12:21:24 AM
Sup dudes

I've been in London all week and I just woke up early for the very tail end of Gin. How's it been? Pretty songy looking.

First set was awesome, second set a little more up and down but Simple > I Found a Reason was sweet. 
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: Caravan2001 on June 23, 2016, 12:29:46 AM
Solid opener!
Title: Re: 2016-06-22 Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN - Live Setlist Thread
Post by: Hicks on June 23, 2016, 12:30:21 AM
And that's all she wrote, let's move this over here:

http://week4paug.net/index.php?topic=22426.0