Poll
Question:
Elite 8 - Terrapin Station Region - 1-Grateful Dead v 2-Led Zeppelin
Option 1: 1-Grateful Dead
votes: 38
Option 2: 2-Led Zeppelin
votes: 8
Elite 8 - Terrapin Station Region - 1-Grateful Dead v 2-Led Zeppelin
:syf:
Quote from: Lifeboy on March 30, 2011, 11:02:24 PM
Quote from: ytowndan on March 30, 2011, 11:00:26 PM
Quote from: McGrupp on March 30, 2011, 10:17:22 PM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on March 30, 2011, 10:14:45 PM
Quote from: mistercharlie on March 30, 2011, 10:14:16 PM
:syf:
I'm sorry... Does led zep have a smiley?
:syf:
I love the :syf: but I'm going against the grain because Jimmy Page shreds Garcia to pieces on the electric guitar which is why I voted for Zep.
Quote from: PIE-GUY on March 30, 2011, 11:10:15 PM
I'm sorry... Does led zep have a smiley?
:syf:
hey, yeah! this contest is rigged!
i'm voting Zeppelin.
Dead, sorry Zep.
Jimmy does indeed shred Jerry to pieces at guitar, and Zep is in my top 5 fav bands of all-time, but the :syf: is my #2.
Sorry Zep
This was actually the hardest decision yet for me but :syf: still take the cake.
(http://www.gypsyrose.com/images/T/ph1218.jpg)
I'm sorry you guys think shitting out the same blues licks with flat fourths and string bending constitutes shredding. At the end of the day, Jimmy Page relied too heavily on the pentatonic scale, where as Garcia was so well versed in music theory that it's not even close. Playing faster doesn't mean he's better.
Quote from: sophist on March 31, 2011, 09:47:12 AM
I'm sorry you guys think shitting out the same blues licks with flat fourths and string bending constitutes shredding. At the end of the day, Jimmy Page relied too heavily on the pentatonic scale, where as Garcia was so well versed in music theory that it's not even close. Playing faster doesn't mean he's better.
You're forgetting how much he ripped off Bert Jansch.
Quote from: sophist on March 31, 2011, 09:47:12 AM
I'm sorry you guys think shitting out the same blues licks with flat fourths and string bending constitutes shredding.
have fun at your next Phish show. :wink:
Quote from: susep73 on March 31, 2011, 09:48:42 AM
Quote from: sophist on March 31, 2011, 09:47:12 AM
I'm sorry you guys think shitting out the same blues licks with flat fourths and string bending constitutes shredding.
have fun at your next Phish show. :wink:
I wouldn't argue that. I never said I didn't like hearing that style. All I'm saying is that to call Jimmy Page better is laughable. I'd say the same thing with Trey now. He really does ride that scale too much. He used to be a master of his domain.
Quote from: sophist on March 31, 2011, 09:47:12 AM
I'm sorry you guys think shitting out the same blues licks with flat fourths and string bending constitutes shredding. At the end of the day, Jimmy Page relied too heavily on the pentatonic scale, where as Garcia was so well versed in music theory that it's not even close. Playing faster doesn't mean he's better.
BOOM!
Relying solely on the myxolydian is much better?
Quote from: sophist on March 31, 2011, 09:47:12 AM
I'm sorry you guys think shitting out the same blues licks with flat fourths and string bending constitutes shredding. At the end of the day, Jimmy Page relied too heavily on the pentatonic scale, where as Garcia was so well versed in music theory that it's not even close. Playing faster doesn't mean he's better.
I would never argue the calibre of musicianship. :syf: takes that category without a doubt. But Zep are just so classic with their style and playing, I found this matchup a difficult decision.
Zeppelin. All the way. It's a shame they had to go up against one of the 2 shoe-ins before the end
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on March 31, 2011, 02:10:19 PM
Quote from: sophist on March 31, 2011, 09:47:12 AM
I'm sorry you guys think shitting out the same blues licks with flat fourths and string bending constitutes shredding. At the end of the day, Jimmy Page relied too heavily on the pentatonic scale, where as Garcia was so well versed in music theory that it's not even close. Playing faster doesn't mean he's better.
I would never argue the calibre of musicianship. :syf: takes that category without a doubt. But Zep are just so classic with their style and playing, I found this matchup a difficult decision.
john bonham is rolling over in his grave... drunkenly...
Quote from: cactusfan on March 31, 2011, 04:17:09 PM
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on March 31, 2011, 02:10:19 PM
Quote from: sophist on March 31, 2011, 09:47:12 AM
I'm sorry you guys think shitting out the same blues licks with flat fourths and string bending constitutes shredding. At the end of the day, Jimmy Page relied too heavily on the pentatonic scale, where as Garcia was so well versed in music theory that it's not even close. Playing faster doesn't mean he's better.
I would never argue the calibre of musicianship. :syf: takes that category without a doubt. But Zep are just so classic with their style and playing, I found this matchup a difficult decision.
john bonham is rolling over in his grave... drunkenly...
not so fast
I voted for the GD, and Phil is my favorite bass player ever, but JPJ is a great bass player and a great musician.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Paul_Jones_(musician)
Quote from: cactusfan on March 31, 2011, 04:17:09 PM
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on March 31, 2011, 02:10:19 PM
Quote from: sophist on March 31, 2011, 09:47:12 AM
I'm sorry you guys think shitting out the same blues licks with flat fourths and string bending constitutes shredding. At the end of the day, Jimmy Page relied too heavily on the pentatonic scale, where as Garcia was so well versed in music theory that it's not even close. Playing faster doesn't mean he's better.
I would never argue the calibre of musicianship. :syf: takes that category without a doubt. But Zep are just so classic with their style and playing, I found this matchup a difficult decision.
john bonham is rolling over in his grave... drunkenly...
Pfft, he's no Kreutzmann. Clearly. :roll:
Quote from: slslbs on March 31, 2011, 04:22:29 PM
Quote from: cactusfan on March 31, 2011, 04:17:09 PM
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on March 31, 2011, 02:10:19 PM
Quote from: sophist on March 31, 2011, 09:47:12 AM
I'm sorry you guys think shitting out the same blues licks with flat fourths and string bending constitutes shredding. At the end of the day, Jimmy Page relied too heavily on the pentatonic scale, where as Garcia was so well versed in music theory that it's not even close. Playing faster doesn't mean he's better.
I would never argue the calibre of musicianship. :syf: takes that category without a doubt. But Zep are just so classic with their style and playing, I found this matchup a difficult decision.
john bonham is rolling over in his grave... drunkenly...
not so fast
I voted for the GD, and Phil is my favorite bass player ever, but JPJ is a great bass player and a great musician.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Paul_Jones_(musician)
you don't have to convince me. i'll take the whole band over the dead in a heartbeat. i was just pointing out the most bleedingly obvious...
Quote from: qop24 on March 31, 2011, 04:23:46 PM
Quote from: cactusfan on March 31, 2011, 04:17:09 PM
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on March 31, 2011, 02:10:19 PM
Quote from: sophist on March 31, 2011, 09:47:12 AM
I'm sorry you guys think shitting out the same blues licks with flat fourths and string bending constitutes shredding. At the end of the day, Jimmy Page relied too heavily on the pentatonic scale, where as Garcia was so well versed in music theory that it's not even close. Playing faster doesn't mean he's better.
I would never argue the calibre of musicianship. :syf: takes that category without a doubt. But Zep are just so classic with their style and playing, I found this matchup a difficult decision.
john bonham is rolling over in his grave... drunkenly...
Pfft, he's no Kreutzmann. Clearly. :roll:
different style drummers for different style bands.
they were so different that you really can't compare them.
both fit in with the music the other guys were playing, which is the most important thing a drummer can do.
Completely different drumming styles.
I prefer kreutzmann
agreed, but you and I both prefer GD to LZ
Billy K wouldn't sound good with LZ, and Bonzo wouldn't sound good with GD.
both were / are talented, both were great with their bands.
was referring to the drummer discussion from w/e that other voting thread was, and was also being a dick
Quote from: qop24 on March 31, 2011, 05:37:20 PM
was referring to the drummer discussion from w/e that other voting thread was, and was also being a dick
I think its pretty clear we've got way too many drummers on this board.
Quote from: kellerb on March 31, 2011, 06:37:59 PM
Quote from: qop24 on March 31, 2011, 05:37:20 PM
was referring to the drummer discussion from w/e that other voting thread was, and was also being a dick
I think its pretty clear we've got way too many drummers on this board.
How many drummers does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
None, they've got a machine that can do anything a drummer can.
what's with the drummer jokes
Quote from: slslbs on March 31, 2011, 07:51:58 PM
what's with the drummer jokes
I just thought it felt poignant.
Quote from: slslbs on March 31, 2011, 07:51:58 PM
what's with the drummer jokes
They don't leave until you pay for your pizza <edit> :wtu:
Lulz.
Grateful Dead destroy Led Zeppelin.
Any professional stoner knows this.
Quote from: rowjimmy on March 31, 2011, 11:06:59 PM
Lulz.
Grateful Dead destroy Led Zeppelin.
Any professional stoner knows this.
Oh, you are done crying and listening to Dylan?
Quote from: qop24 on April 01, 2011, 08:54:12 AM
Quote from: rowjimmy on March 31, 2011, 11:06:59 PM
Lulz.
Grateful Dead destroy Led Zeppelin.
Any professional stoner knows this.
Oh, you are done crying and listening to Dylan?
STFU N00b.
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Quote from: rowjimmy on April 01, 2011, 09:28:53 AM
Quote from: qop24 on April 01, 2011, 08:54:12 AM
Quote from: rowjimmy on March 31, 2011, 11:06:59 PM
Lulz.
Grateful Dead destroy Led Zeppelin.
Any professional stoner knows this.
Oh, you are done crying and listening to Dylan?
STFU N00b.
:hereitisyousentimentalbastard
Quote from: sophist on March 31, 2011, 09:47:12 AM
I'm sorry you guys think shitting out the same blues licks with flat fourths and string bending constitutes shredding. At the end of the day, Jimmy Page relied too heavily on the pentatonic scale, where as Garcia was so well versed in music theory that it's not even close. Playing faster doesn't mean he's better.
Sorry I'm late to the party... but really... SHITTING out notes? I'd say this is bordering on blasphemous.
I think it's ridiculous to point out that Page had a crutch to his playing and to turn a blind eye to Garcia's crutches on the instrument.
Let's face it, neither are/were the world's greatest technicians on the instrument. And Garcia grew up in the 60s San Fran, whereas Page grew up in the 60s London.
So, basically, apples and oranges. But to say it's not even close? That's definitely a lol.
Quote from: mehead on April 01, 2011, 10:02:33 AM
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Quote from: sophist on March 31, 2011, 09:47:12 AM
I'm sorry you guys think shitting out the same blues licks with flat fourths and string bending constitutes shredding. At the end of the day, Jimmy Page relied too heavily on the pentatonic scale, where as Garcia was so well versed in music theory that it's not even close. Playing faster doesn't mean he's better.
OK I voted :syf: by a wide margin and I prefer Jerry's playing and all. But you're saying Jimmy Page didn't shred? Really?
Quote from: JPhishman on April 01, 2011, 12:13:36 PM
Quote from: sophist on March 31, 2011, 09:47:12 AM
I'm sorry you guys think shitting out the same blues licks with flat fourths and string bending constitutes shredding. At the end of the day, Jimmy Page relied too heavily on the pentatonic scale, where as Garcia was so well versed in music theory that it's not even close. Playing faster doesn't mean he's better.
OK I voted :syf: by a wide margin and I prefer Jerry's playing and all. But you're saying Jimmy Page didn't shred? Really?
This
:-D
Quote from: cactusfan on March 31, 2011, 04:17:09 PM
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on March 31, 2011, 02:10:19 PM
Quote from: sophist on March 31, 2011, 09:47:12 AM
I'm sorry you guys think shitting out the same blues licks with flat fourths and string bending constitutes shredding. At the end of the day, Jimmy Page relied too heavily on the pentatonic scale, where as Garcia was so well versed in music theory that it's not even close. Playing faster doesn't mean he's better.
I would never argue the calibre of musicianship. :syf: takes that category without a doubt. But Zep are just so classic with their style and playing, I found this matchup a difficult decision.
john bonham is rolling over in his grave... drunkenly...
I'm sorry, which blues licks are you referring to that Bonham played?
and this.
Quote from: rowjimmy on April 01, 2011, 11:28:13 AM
Quote from: mehead on April 01, 2011, 10:02:33 AM
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Quote from: sophist on March 31, 2011, 09:47:12 AM
I'm sorry you guys think shitting out the same blues licks with flat fourths and string bending constitutes shredding. At the end of the day, Jimmy Page relied too heavily on the pentatonic scale, where as Garcia was so well versed in music theory that it's not even close. Playing faster doesn't mean he's better.
So much this, And Pages sloppiness after a while just fucking kills me. Seriously dude your considered one of the top guitarists and you play like utter slop shit. BUt don't get me wrong Zep was my favorite band for many many years. But now when i listen to them i listen to JPJ. He is just incredible. The things that man can do is just amazing. Such and incredible and well versed musician.
But i will vote dead. well because i just like them more.
I will pick this theard to say it. The lack of Sabbath in this greatly disappoints me. and they are the only band that i would vote over Phish. Just because It's fucking Sabbath. Fucking master of reality is a fucking musical master piece. Ever song just kicks so much ass.
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on April 01, 2011, 12:30:33 PM
Quote from: cactusfan on March 31, 2011, 04:17:09 PM
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on March 31, 2011, 02:10:19 PM
Quote from: sophist on March 31, 2011, 09:47:12 AM
I'm sorry you guys think shitting out the same blues licks with flat fourths and string bending constitutes shredding. At the end of the day, Jimmy Page relied too heavily on the pentatonic scale, where as Garcia was so well versed in music theory that it's not even close. Playing faster doesn't mean he's better.
I would never argue the calibre of musicianship. :syf: takes that category without a doubt. But Zep are just so classic with their style and playing, I found this matchup a difficult decision.
john bonham is rolling over in his grave... drunkenly...
I'm sorry, which blues licks are you referring to that Bonham played?
He was talking about Page...
I had no idea so many people hated page....
w/e , more for me :rawk:
Quote from: MiamiPhish on April 01, 2011, 10:52:36 AM
Quote from: sophist on March 31, 2011, 09:47:12 AM
I'm sorry you guys think shitting out the same blues licks with flat fourths and string bending constitutes shredding. At the end of the day, Jimmy Page relied too heavily on the pentatonic scale, where as Garcia was so well versed in music theory that it's not even close. Playing faster doesn't mean he's better.
Sorry I'm late to the party... but really... SHITTING out notes? I'd say this is bordering on blasphemous.
I think it's ridiculous to point out that Page had a crutch to his playing and to turn a blind eye to Garcia's crutches on the instrument.
Let's face it, neither are/were the world's greatest technicians on the instrument. And Garcia grew up in the 60s San Fran, whereas Page grew up in the 60s London.
So, basically, apples and oranges. But to say it's not even close? That's definitely a lol.
It's not even close. One guy studied music theory, the other guy has little to no background in music. That's not even close in my book. Both were talented, I'm not arguing that. I also can dig both, but in my eyes, Garcia was leaps and bounds above him in his approach to guitar. That's all I'm saying.
Quote from: sophist on April 04, 2011, 09:33:41 AM
Quote from: MiamiPhish on April 01, 2011, 10:52:36 AM
Quote from: sophist on March 31, 2011, 09:47:12 AM
I'm sorry you guys think shitting out the same blues licks with flat fourths and string bending constitutes shredding. At the end of the day, Jimmy Page relied too heavily on the pentatonic scale, where as Garcia was so well versed in music theory that it's not even close. Playing faster doesn't mean he's better.
Sorry I'm late to the party... but really... SHITTING out notes? I'd say this is bordering on blasphemous.
I think it's ridiculous to point out that Page had a crutch to his playing and to turn a blind eye to Garcia's crutches on the instrument.
Let's face it, neither are/were the world's greatest technicians on the instrument. And Garcia grew up in the 60s San Fran, whereas Page grew up in the 60s London.
So, basically, apples and oranges. But to say it's not even close? That's definitely a lol.
It's not even close. One guy studied music theory, the other guy has little to no background in music. That's not even close in my book. Both were talented, I'm not arguing that. I also can dig both, but in my eyes, Garcia was leaps and bounds above him in his approach to guitar. That's all I'm saying.
I love both page and garcia to death, but I gotta agree with sophist on this one. Garcia was so much more multi-faceted and prolific in his music-making endeavors (more to love!) which is one of the reasons that my vote went to GD despite the fact that Zep was the first music I fell in love with. I'd vote that way thousands of times over simply based on the virtue of Jerry's relentless pursuit of musical perfection.
And the Jone Paul Jones argument is really on point because, to me, he was the heart and soul behind led zeppelin. I might just be biased towards my fellow bass player on this one, but without JPJ, led zeppelin would be terribly uninteresting.
Quote from: phil on April 04, 2011, 10:08:29 AM
Quote from: sophist on April 04, 2011, 09:33:41 AM
Quote from: MiamiPhish on April 01, 2011, 10:52:36 AM
Quote from: sophist on March 31, 2011, 09:47:12 AM
I'm sorry you guys think shitting out the same blues licks with flat fourths and string bending constitutes shredding. At the end of the day, Jimmy Page relied too heavily on the pentatonic scale, where as Garcia was so well versed in music theory that it's not even close. Playing faster doesn't mean he's better.
Sorry I'm late to the party... but really... SHITTING out notes? I'd say this is bordering on blasphemous.
I think it's ridiculous to point out that Page had a crutch to his playing and to turn a blind eye to Garcia's crutches on the instrument.
Let's face it, neither are/were the world's greatest technicians on the instrument. And Garcia grew up in the 60s San Fran, whereas Page grew up in the 60s London.
So, basically, apples and oranges. But to say it's not even close? That's definitely a lol.
It's not even close. One guy studied music theory, the other guy has little to no background in music. That's not even close in my book. Both were talented, I'm not arguing that. I also can dig both, but in my eyes, Garcia was leaps and bounds above him in his approach to guitar. That's all I'm saying.
I love both page and garcia to death, but I gotta agree with sophist on this one. Garcia was so much more multi-faceted and prolific in his music-making endeavors (more to love!) which is one of the reasons that my vote went to GD despite the fact that Zep was the first music I fell in love with. I'd vote that way thousands of times over simply based on the virtue of Jerry's relentless pursuit of musical perfection.
And the Jone Paul Jones argument is really on point because, to me, he was the heart and soul behind led zeppelin. I might just be biased towards my fellow bass player on this one, but without JPJ, led zeppelin would be terribly uninteresting.
Well put, Phil. Same here. Jimmy was the beginning, but Jerry takes me to far more and different places. Similarly, JPJ and Phil. Love em both.
:syf: to win.
I'm curious what the results of this poll would be at various other band's message boards
Quote from: khalpin on April 04, 2011, 01:58:43 PM
I'm curious what the results of this poll would be at various other band's message boards
Me too.
they would undoubtably be drastically different.
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on April 04, 2011, 02:07:40 PM
Quote from: khalpin on April 04, 2011, 01:58:43 PM
I'm curious what the results of this poll would be at various other band's message boards
Me too.
they would undoubtably be drastically different.
Yeah, definitely. But I'd be more curious to where the crossover is. Where would this be a 50/50 vote, etc. Although, I guess that question exists for every matchup.
Quote from: khalpin on April 04, 2011, 02:38:47 PM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on April 04, 2011, 02:07:40 PM
Quote from: khalpin on April 04, 2011, 01:58:43 PM
I'm curious what the results of this poll would be at various other band's message boards
Me too.
they would undoubtably be drastically different.
Yeah, definitely. But I'd be more curious to where the crossover is. Where would this be a 50/50 vote, etc. Although, I guess that question exists for every matchup.
I think the vast majority of boards for non-improvisation-oriented music would have Zep blowing GD out of the water. A lot of people love to blindly hate on the dead. It's a shame, and maybe not universal but it's what I've observed.
Quote from: phil on April 04, 2011, 02:45:00 PM
Quote from: khalpin on April 04, 2011, 02:38:47 PM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on April 04, 2011, 02:07:40 PM
Quote from: khalpin on April 04, 2011, 01:58:43 PM
I'm curious what the results of this poll would be at various other band's message boards
Me too.
they would undoubtably be drastically different.
Yeah, definitely. But I'd be more curious to where the crossover is. Where would this be a 50/50 vote, etc. Although, I guess that question exists for every matchup.
I think the vast majority of boards for non-improvisation-oriented music would have Zep blowing GD out of the water. A lot of people love to blindly hate on the dead. It's a shame, and maybe not universal but it's what I've observed.
I don't think it would just be the "blind hate" on the dead that would have Led Zep winning on other boards.
Quote from: goodabouthood on April 04, 2011, 03:21:17 PM
Quote from: phil on April 04, 2011, 02:45:00 PM
Quote from: khalpin on April 04, 2011, 02:38:47 PM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on April 04, 2011, 02:07:40 PM
Quote from: khalpin on April 04, 2011, 01:58:43 PM
I'm curious what the results of this poll would be at various other band's message boards
Me too.
they would undoubtably be drastically different.
Yeah, definitely. But I'd be more curious to where the crossover is. Where would this be a 50/50 vote, etc. Although, I guess that question exists for every matchup.
I think the vast majority of boards for non-improvisation-oriented music would have Zep blowing GD out of the water. A lot of people love to blindly hate on the dead. It's a shame, and maybe not universal but it's what I've observed.
I don't think it would just be the "blind hate" on the dead that would have Led Zep winning on other boards.
Led Zeppelin are certainly deserving of all the praise they receive but I think that a lot of votes would be cast against the dead as much as they would be cast in favor of led zeppelin. In contrast, many of the votes on this board are prefaced with "this is certainly not a vote against X, but simply a vote for Y" followed by the acknowledgement that both are deserving of recognition.