R12/W04: 11-23-1997 Lawrence Joel Veterans Memorial Coliseum, Winston Salem, NC

[WhatstheUse?]

If we got a show even close to as good as this now every person here would be all  and I'd prolly die of a heart attack or something

[runawayjimbo]

Definitely underrated, if we got this show now on a Sunday(or any day) this board would be blowing up.   Smooth Funk Butta

There's no doubt a show like this would be well received today, but in the context of Fall '97 (which, unlike RJ, I do think is all dat), it came off a little flat to me. And I just don't think it's fair to compare any show from 1.0 to the best 3.0 show. I mean, I struck out my 5 yr old nephew on 3 pitches the other day, doesn't mean I'll be getting called up to the bigs any time soon.

[sophist]

Definitely underrated, if we got this show now on a Sunday(or any day) this board would be blowing up.   Smooth Funk Butta

There's no doubt a show like this would be well received today, but in the context of Fall '97 (which, unlike RJ, I do think is all dat), it came off a little flat to me. And I just don't think it's fair to compare any show from 1.0 to the best 3.0 show. I mean, I struck out my 5 yr old nephew on 3 pitches the other day, doesn't mean I'll be getting called up to the bigs any time soon.

but you will be getting uncle of the year for showing him to leave sports to the minorities. 

[runawayjimbo]

Definitely underrated, if we got this show now on a Sunday(or any day) this board would be blowing up.   Smooth Funk Butta

There's no doubt a show like this would be well received today, but in the context of Fall '97 (which, unlike RJ, I do think is all dat), it came off a little flat to me. And I just don't think it's fair to compare any show from 1.0 to the best 3.0 show. I mean, I struck out my 5 yr old nephew on 3 pitches the other day, doesn't mean I'll be getting called up to the bigs any time soon.

but you will be getting uncle of the year for showing him to leave sports to the minorities.

:hereitisyousentimentalbastard :hereitisyousentimentalbastard :hereitisyousentimentalbastard

I had to walk away from my desk I was laughing so hard

[G. Augusto]

Meh Soul - Don't really mind this tune in any slot. Page goes to the grand to start his solo then quickly turns to the keyboard. 

Theme - OK composed section with a great jam. Late '97 was a great time for Theme. 

BEK - Like I said, one of my all-time favorite Phish jams. This one settles in nicely right from the beginning of the jam. What I like so much about this funk is how ominous it sounds. You know the jam is going somewhere, but they take the darkest possible road to get there, thanks mostly to Mike. I have to CRANK this every time. 

Sparkle - Needed breather. 

Twist - Mellow jam that hits on a nice theme for the last 2 minutes. More darkness. 

Stash - Decent composed sections. Typical Stash jam for the 1st 10 minutes. Stash was another tune that '97 treated well. I like that this one doesn't peak. You expect it, so it leaves you uneasy. Queue the droning trippiness and you're fucked. Trey and Page space out and then Trey plays some leads one octave higher than usual. Double fakeout into >>>

NICU - Brings you back to reality. 

Fluff - Only version of the Tour and 1 of only 5 from the year. Composed sections go from really impressive to really off each minute. 

Zero - Pretty good closer but comes nowhere near the version from the very next next show. 

Gin - Hadn't opened a second set since 12-30-1989. Miss Page's big solos in the intro. Typical Gin the first 12 in. Then the Aimless Wah Leads start. Gets chunky around the 13 min mark > AWL. Fish speeds it up only to get some more AWL. Just kept wanting this wankery to end. Trey starts up an earlier idea with 5 minutes left. Spaces out gently with some really nice Fish work >>>

DWD -  Super fast. Typical RaWk stuff for the first 9 minutes which leads to some CYHMK. Really loses focus as Page tries to resurrect this with some excellent Grand work. >>>

Rider - Trying to salvage this set. The funk jam after this is pretty cool, but 3 minutes of Fall funk ain't gonna save this one. OK segue >>>

DWD - Fish speeds it up as they go back into the jam briefly before they close it down. 

Axis - Trey is pretty shaky with his chords. Not really sure when to end it, either. 

Julius - Trey laughs when he throws off the crowd. Julius rocked in '97, but this one just went on a little too long. 

Always been one of my favorite Fall '97 1st sets and least favorite 2nd sets. IMO, really aimless playing throughout the 2nd set. 
I give this a B-/C+ 

[VA $l!m]

had forgot about the gin being the first 2nd set opener version since 89.

suks that people dont enjoy this version. blows my mind really. sorry to repeat myself...
i actually sorta lump the dwd in with the gin as more of what i consider unrelenting soaring hose awesomeness, that AUG and others see as wankery. weird...

the only other gin i find comes close to this one being my favorite version is the riverport one from summer 98. a close second in my book.

the negative comments would usually prompt me to go back and relisten, but i've literally played this second set more than any other set over the last 12+ years. more than a 100 times for sure.
it does "IT" for me 100%, 100% of the time.
without much hesitation i have to say the gin is my favorite jam they ever played.

i saw other gins people apparently like more... 7.20.98, 6.28.00, maybe others... none of them even come close for me.
like i said, riverport is a close second (i was in the lot for that one), but for me at least this gin gives me a high nothing else the band ever played does.

moving on.

[justjezmund]

HEY!  My review has been in, I WANT MY CREDIT!

[whatapiper]

Heh, just noticed that, I'll get that updated once I'm by my computer

[Hicks]

had forgot about the gin being the first 2nd set opener version since 89.

suks that people dont enjoy this version. blows my mind really. sorry to repeat myself...
i actually sorta lump the dwd in with the gin as more of what i consider unrelenting soaring hose awesomeness, that AUG and others see as wankery. weird...

the only other gin i find comes close to this one being my favorite version is the riverport one from summer 98. a close second in my book.

the negative comments would usually prompt me to go back and relisten, but i've literally played this second set more than any other set over the last 12+ years. more than a 100 times for sure.
it does "IT" for me 100%, 100% of the time.
without much hesitation i have to say the gin is my favorite jam they ever played.

i saw other gins people apparently like more... 7.20.98, 6.28.00, maybe others... none of them even come close for me.
like i said, riverport is a close second (i was in the lot for that one), but for me at least this gin gives me a high nothing else the band ever played does.

moving on.

I'm with you Slim, if you cant handle teh rawk get out da kitchen!

[G. Augusto]

I love rawk. Hate teh wankery.

[Hicks]

I love rawk. Hate teh wankery.

You don't gotta lie to hang out, we all know you love Coldplay.

[G. Augusto]

I love rawk. Hate teh wankery.

You don't gotta lie to hang out, we all know you love Coldplay.

*LUV* Coldplay.
Hate teh wankery.

[zimbra]

I listened to this show last week (had no idea it was a pick).  Love the stash and gin from here, in it's entirety though I think it is pretty solid.  Theme was dropped so often then.

[danje]

Agree with Aug on the wankery of this Gin.

[Lifeboy]

Yeah, I think I agree with aug here as well. I never understood the hype about this Gin. Totally overrated IMO.   :|


I haven't gave it a spin in a while though. gonna re-listen this evening....