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Title: organize your CDs?
Post by: AfterMidnight on October 08, 2007, 09:57:41 PM
I'm a wanted to see how everyone organize their CDs. Do you download burn to DVD back up and a harddrive back, then a CD for the home stereo? Where do you put your CDs? i don't burn any back up. why do some of you make two back copies?

I put everything in the big books that holds 300 cds. phish and the dead have their own books everything else get thrown in books together? anyway have any better ideas for me?

thanks,
mark
Title: Re: organize your CDs?
Post by: blatboom on October 08, 2007, 10:09:12 PM
i'm pretty basic.  whatever I grab I back up to CD.  i'd much rather use DVDs but i don't have a burner.  i'm also still using audio CDs so I do have books separated by tours/bands etc.  don't you wanna back your shows up in case a CD gets damaged?
Title: Re: organize your CDs?
Post by: AfterMidnight on October 08, 2007, 10:24:54 PM
it just seems like a ton of cash  to back up all you shows. Sooner or later that hard drive is going to break, and all those flac files are gone anyways....
Title: Re: organize your CDs?
Post by: AfterMidnight on October 08, 2007, 10:25:16 PM
but to each is own right?
Title: Re: organize your CDs?
Post by: August on October 08, 2007, 10:26:22 PM
That's why you should back up on DVD's.
a
Title: Re: organize your CDs?
Post by: blatboom on October 08, 2007, 10:28:31 PM
but that's the point.  I got no HD space so I back the flacs onto discs which sit in spindles.  I was just presenting my system, it's all good

EDIT: what aug said
Title: Re: organize your CDs?
Post by: August on October 08, 2007, 10:30:53 PM
Quote from: blatboom on October 08, 2007, 10:28:31 PM
but that's the point.  I got no HD space so I back the flacs onto discs which sit in spindles.  I was just presenting my system, it's all good

EDIT: what aug said

Cd's are fine, they just take up more space, obviously.
All of my Phish shn/flacs take up about 350 DVD's which is approximately 2100 CD's.  :-)
a
Title: Re: organize your CDs?
Post by: blatboom on October 08, 2007, 10:32:03 PM
Quote from: August on October 08, 2007, 10:30:53 PM
Cd's are fine, they just take up more space, obviously.
All of my Phish shn/flacs take up about 350 DVD's which is approximately 2100 CD's.  :-)
a

my only DVD option is to get an external but I've heard bad things?
Title: Re: organize your CDs?
Post by: rowjimmy on October 08, 2007, 10:32:48 PM
Naw. just do it.
Title: Re: organize your CDs?
Post by: August on October 08, 2007, 10:34:07 PM
Quote from: blatboom on October 08, 2007, 10:32:03 PM
my only DVD option is to get an external but I've heard bad things?

External burners?
They work just as well as internals.
If you are serious about your collection, Rule #1 is BACK UP TO DVD.
a
Title: Re: organize your CDs?
Post by: nab on October 08, 2007, 10:36:29 PM
IME internals break down just as fast as externals.
Title: Re: organize your CDs?
Post by: blatboom on October 08, 2007, 10:37:36 PM
Quote from: August on October 08, 2007, 10:34:07 PM
External burners?
They work just as well as internals.
If you are serious about your collection, Rule #1 is BACK UP TO DVD.
a

what about the fact that i've got an old ass laptop with little RAM?
how much does a spindle of DVDs run?
Title: Re: organize your CDs?
Post by: August on October 08, 2007, 10:40:51 PM
Quote from: blatboom on October 08, 2007, 10:37:36 PM
what about the fact that i've got an old ass laptop with little RAM?
how much does a spindle of DVDs run?

A spindle runs between $10-$15.
Check your local Circuit City/Staples/Office Max for their weekly deals.

Old-ass laptops with little RAM might slow down your burn, but I burn at 4X, anyway.
Make sure you verify your files with mkwact/frontend/trader's helper before and after each burn.
a
Title: Re: organize your CDs?
Post by: blatboom on October 08, 2007, 10:41:55 PM
Quote from: August on October 08, 2007, 10:40:51 PM
A spindle runs between $10-$15.
Check your local Circuit City/Staples/Office Max for their weekly deals.

Old-ass laptops with little RAM might slow down your burn, but I burn at 4X, anyway.
Make sure you verify your files with mkwact/frontend/trader's helper before and after each burn.
a

alright, I'm on the case...
thanks guys.
Title: Re: organize your CDs?
Post by: sls.stormyrider on October 08, 2007, 10:43:47 PM
the other reason to backup to DVD is to save a copy of the data files for trading. the biggest challenge for me is to keep the dvd's organized so I can find a show if I need it.
Title: Re: organize your CDs?
Post by: ytowndan on October 08, 2007, 10:45:12 PM
Quote from: August on October 08, 2007, 10:40:51 PM

Make sure you verify your files with mkwact/frontend/trader's helper before and after each burn.
a

Yep.  I learned that the hard way.  I've found about 7 or 8 discs so far with bad burns.  Its kinda annoying to do at first, but its definitely worth it in the end.
Title: Re: organize your CDs?
Post by: August on October 08, 2007, 10:47:21 PM
Quote from: slslbs on October 08, 2007, 10:43:47 PM
the other reason to backup to DVD is to save a copy of the data files for trading. the biggest challenge for me is to keep the dvd's organized so I can find a show if I need it.

I know some people keep a number next to each show on their list, but I just throw them on a spindle.
I can fit 2 years on each spindle, and each DVD I burn only contains shows from ONE year.
It's not that hard to find a show like that, plus they are all in drawer at arms-length.  :-)
a
Title: Re: organize your CDs?
Post by: blatboom on October 08, 2007, 10:49:22 PM
Quote from: August on October 08, 2007, 10:47:21 PM
I know some people keep a number next to each show on their list, but I just throw them on a spindle.
I can fit 2 years on each spindle, and each DVD I burn only contains shows from ONE year.
It's not that hard to find a show like that, plus they are all in drawer at arms-length.  :-)
a

i'm building Spindle-Towers over here with these CDs  :-D
Title: Re: organize your CDs?
Post by: August on October 08, 2007, 10:50:25 PM
I bet.
A lot of people here were giving away tons of data CD's a while ago.
a
Title: Re: organize your CDs?
Post by: newplanet7 on October 09, 2007, 12:35:25 AM
Quote from: August on October 08, 2007, 10:34:07 PM
External burners?
They work just as well as internals.
If you are serious about your collection, Rule #1 is BACK UP TO DVD.
a
W E R D!
Title: Re: organize your CDs?
Post by: whyweigh5.0 on October 09, 2007, 01:36:40 AM
I've been trying to figure out a system that works for me for some time now :?

for the most part though I have CDs laying all over the place here
Title: Re: organize your CDs?
Post by: disco on October 09, 2007, 04:04:42 AM
Quote from: August on October 08, 2007, 10:34:07 PM
External burners?
They work just as well as internals.
If you are serious about your collection, Rule #1 is BACK UP TO DVD.
a

That's it, right there, backups!!!  If you want to collect more than 20 phish shows and will probably scratch at least one CD, then you need a dvd burner and all your shn/flac filesets backed up to disc. For me it was quite cheap, maybe $150 for the burner and all the dvd's.

Quote from: August on October 08, 2007, 10:47:21 PM
I know some people keep a number next to each show on their list, but I just throw them on a spindle.
I can fit 2 years on each spindle, and each DVD I burn only contains shows from ONE year.
It's not that hard to find a show like that, plus they are all in drawer at arms-length.  :-)
a

I disagree with aug here. Having to look for each disc requires that you shuffle through a spindle any time you need a disc. I keep mine vertically (so there is less pressure on the lower discs) in cases so that I can see which is which without have to move the disc. I have all the shows written on each numbered disc along with a list at phishhook that has the show, source, and dvd number. I think its fairly quick and easy but to each their own
Title: Re: organize your CDs?
Post by: jasonsobel on October 10, 2007, 05:06:59 PM
I've gone through a couple of systems since I started archiving/saving the SHN/FLAC file sets many years ago.  And I'vre recently been thinking about how I'm going to be moving forward with my collection.  what I'm dealing with currently is ~1500 data CD's and ~450 data DVD's.  I used to keep the CD's piled in spindles.  but after years of moving the spindles around and discs shifting, I found that the discs were actually getting scratched.  the scratches were in a circular pattern, suggesting to me that some spec of dust or dirt got in between two discs, and as the discs spin around the spindle (slowly, with many moves over the years picking out individual discs to get to the show that I needed), they would get scratched up.  So, I bought thousands of tyvek sleeves and moved everything into individual sleeves.  All of my data CD's are kept in ammo boxes that I picked up at the local army/navy store.  each ammo box holds between 130-140 discs.  I have bout 12 ammo boxes full, and they're labeled "Phish 01" and "Phish 06" and "Other 01" through "Other 06".  the Phish shows are in chronological order, while the "other" boxes are alphabetical.  Then comes the DVD's.  those are also in individual sleeves.  each sleeve is labeled "DVD-001" through "DVD-441".  the DVD's themselves are stored in wooden drawers that I bought from IKEA.  each drawer is about the same size as the inside of the ammo boxes, so it works very well.  and I have a corresponding excel file that tabulates the DVD number, band, date, file format, resolution (16bit vs. 24bit), and any notes.  it's very easy to open up the excel file, sort by any of the columns, and find exactly what I need.  I think this is a great system.  also, something I learned the hard way.  back when I only had about 200 DVD's, my hard drive crashed.  I didn't lose any audio, but I had neglected to back-up that excel file.  so all of a sudden, I had ~200 data DVDs with no idea what was on any of them.  after I finally re-created that excel file (over the course of a couple of months), I know burn the latest version of the excel file to each DVD.  so if the HD ever crashes again, all I have to do is pop in the last DVD I burned and I'm all set.

here are my thoughts for the future.  12 ammo boxes are really unweildy.  I'd like to transfer all those shows off the CDs, some of those CD's are 8 or 9 years old, and I know that the data should be transferred a new medium.  as HD prices drop, I think I'll be getting myself a comprehensive HD system.  but I'm not quite ready to spend what I'd need (I'm hoping I could get by with 2TB for now).  but once I get everything over a HD system, I'd then like to burn to some other media in preparation of when that HD goes down.  what I'm hoping for is a burnable HD-DVD or burnable bluray disc (they both exist already).  so that once I copy everything over to HD, I can burn the whole thing to HD-DVD media (or whatever) and then get rid of all my existing data CD's and DVD's.

any thoughts or suggestions?
Title: Re: organize your CDs?
Post by: AfterMidnight on October 10, 2007, 07:18:46 PM
jason,
what's wrong with the system that you have now? why don't you like it?

i'm looking into setting up a RAID hard system. they mirror each other. so if a put a show on HD 1 it will then back it on HD 2. i also don't think that i want to get any hard drives bigger that 250. the only thing is this will in the long run get pricey.

Title: Re: organize your CDs?
Post by: newplanet7 on October 10, 2007, 07:25:16 PM
Quote from: MarkDavidson on October 10, 2007, 07:18:46 PM
i also don't think that i want to get any hard drives bigger that 250.
IMO no need for anything else.
Especially if you back up your shows.
A 250 is good if you are seeding a years worth or some kind of project seeding,
but what else.
I only run an 80 gig internal and a 250 ext.
I seed a ton and never need to fil up what I have.
-t
Title: Re: organize your CDs?
Post by: jasonsobel on October 10, 2007, 07:40:08 PM
Quote from: MarkDavidson on October 10, 2007, 07:18:46 PM
jason,
what's wrong with the system that you have now? why don't you like it?

I have a few concerns/improvements in mind.

the biggest issues for me are the following:
I'm concerned that some of the older CD-R media will degrade and the data on those will be lost.  It's nothing that can't be replaced, as everything is in circulation.  but it's time consuming to replace.  so I'd like to update to a HD system to get everything off aging media.  Moving everything to HD media will bring another advantage, as it will bring everything to "one place", and I can hook it up to my main stereo.  Then I can say good-bye to the hundreds (thousands?) of audio CDs that I have burned over the years.  The problem with having everything on HD's is that I don't trust it.  So if I get everything onto HDs, I'm not going to throw away the data CD's until all the data is also burned onto some other optical media.  but re-burning all that data to regular DVD's is going to be too time consuming.  that's why I'm hoping that either burning HD-DVD (or bluray) will become more practical and affordable, so after I move everything to HD's, I can re-burn to new optical media efficiently, and then not worry about getting rid of the older CD-R media (because everything will be on the HD's and the new optical media).  the other advantage of getting everything onto HD-DVD (or bluray) is because when the HD's crash and burn, it'll be easier to restore the whole collection from 100 optical discs (HD-DVD) rather restoring all the data from thousands of CD-R's.

so, that's really my thoughts on that.  as far as my current DVD back-up system, it works well and I like it.  the issues I'll be facing are: when I switch over to harddrives, it will be time consuming to copy 450+ DVD's to the HD's.   and I'm burning a few new DVD's each week, so the number of DVD's is only going to grow.  Basically, when dealing with terrabytes of data, it is just inconvenient to back it up (or restore it to a new HD) 4.5 gigs at a time.  so I am craving for higher density media.  :-)
Title: Re: organize your CDs?
Post by: jasonsobel on October 10, 2007, 07:44:36 PM
Quote from: MarkDavidson on October 10, 2007, 07:18:46 PM
i'm looking into setting up a RAID hard system. they mirror each other. so if a put a show on HD 1 it will then back it on HD 2. i also don't think that i want to get any hard drives bigger that 250. the only thing is this will in the long run get pricey.

one other thought about RAID.  while it can be useful if set up correctly, I don't see it as necessary.  I'd be more inclined to just double the amount of HD space that I would need and sync the two drives every night or every week or something.  RAID is nice because it does it in *real time*.  but honestly, even if you download a new show every day, that's not a whole lot of data to sync up again, so you don't really need it to be backed up in real time.  a nightly back-up should be more than sufficient.  Not to mention the fact that many RAID setups store data in a proprietary format (i.e. not regular straight up FAT32 or the like), so if your RAID controller goes down, you need to be able to buy the exact same model to be able to retreive your data.  I've heard more than enough horrow stories where someone bought a cheap consumer-grade RAID card, the RAID controller breaks or something happens to it, and then they can't recover ANY of their data.  it sucks but it could happen...
Title: Re: organize your CDs?
Post by: edemille on October 15, 2007, 11:10:05 PM
I'm sure these have been posted somewhere here before, but I've got a couple of these and for me, they're fantastic:

http://www.supermediastore.com/cd-dvd-storage-case-aluminum-metal-like-390-capacity.html

The sleeves have the hanging file folder deal and come with a nice printed label on each sleeve (ie,  329  /  330).  The sleeves are good quality, soft material both sides.  The inside of the case is a velvet-esque material...etc etc.  I really dig them.  Sounds like I have a similar system as Jason...a master excel file with all the show info and a DVD number column in the spreadsheet telling me which DVD the show is on.  I stopped burning audio discs a while back...I listen to almost everything straight from my harddrive and/or DVD these days.  For an hour plus drive somewhere I would burn a show to listen in the car, but since my son decided that the CD slot in the car looked like a perfect place for any coins he found that doesn't work so well anymore  :|
Title: Re: organize your CDs?
Post by: cleech74 on October 16, 2007, 01:20:51 AM
At this point, barring any major catastrophic Media disaster or gov't intervention, these collections will exist thru the masses.  Like the Force. :-)

I've given up on conventional thinking, on the way to save All media.  It's time to move forward.

2 Reel, Vinyl, 8-Track, Maxell XLII, CD, DAT, Mp3, SHN, FLAC, all in the past.

What's next?  Really.
Title: Re: organize your CDs?
Post by: CRAZYED on October 16, 2007, 08:33:17 AM
I think you guys need to look at Raid 5 not Raid 1 (mirroring).  Raid is without question the way to go IMO.  Raid 5 requires a minimum of 3 disks.  You end up sacrificing one hard drive for parity and the rest are for storage.  It keeps you 100% redundant but the disk cost is lower than raid 1.  For example i've got a raid 5 setup with 3x400gig drives which gives me 800gig useable 2 for storage 1 for parity.  I went with a higher end raid card that supports up to 6 drives and online capacity expansion.  Now that i've got some extra cash i'm going to pickup another 1 or 2 400gig drives, plug them in and i'll be up to 1200 or 1600gig usable.

Raid 5 is a common practice (pretty much a best practice) within IT EVERYWHERE outside the home user.  If you are a serious collector with a large collection, if you are thinking about storing everything "online" and not considering some sort of RAID setup you're just setting yourself up for a large loss of data some point down the road.

Of course everything is still burned to dvd-r for my second line of defense.  I still have a lot of other hard drives that arent included in my raid setup yet, but I mean if one of those other 400gig drives i have dies, it is a SUPER PITA to restore 400gigs from dvd.  IMO it's easily worth it to sacrifice on drive for the parity disk, i mean its like $80 these days.  Hard drives are cheaper than they ever have, if you're a serious collector take the plunge, not the risk of not being redundant.
Title: Re: organize your CDs?
Post by: rowjimmy on October 16, 2007, 08:59:14 AM
Quote from: CRAZYED on October 16, 2007, 08:33:17 AM
I think you guys need to look at Raid 5 not Raid 1 (mirroring).  Raid is without question the way to go IMO.  Raid 5 requires a minimum of 3 disks.  You end up sacrificing one hard drive for parity and the rest are for storage.  It keeps you 100% redundant but the disk cost is lower than raid 1.  For example i've got a raid 5 setup with 3x400gig drives which gives me 800gig useable 2 for storage 1 for parity.  I went with a higher end raid card that supports up to 6 drives and online capacity expansion.  Now that i've got some extra cash i'm going to pickup another 1 or 2 400gig drives, plug them in and i'll be up to 1200 or 1600gig usable.

Raid 5 is a common practice (pretty much a best practice) within IT EVERYWHERE outside the home user.  If you are a serious collector with a large collection, if you are thinking about storing everything "online" and not considering some sort of RAID setup you're just setting yourself up for a large loss of data some point down the road.

Of course everything is still burned to dvd-r for my second line of defense.  I still have a lot of other hard drives that arent included in my raid setup yet, but I mean if one of those other 400gig drives i have dies, it is a SUPER PITA to restore 400gigs from dvd.  IMO it's easily worth it to sacrifice on drive for the parity disk, i mean its like $80 these days.  Hard drives are cheaper than they ever have, if you're a serious collector take the plunge, not the risk of not being redundant.

:clap:
Well said.
Title: Re: organize your CDs?
Post by: AfterMidnight on January 06, 2008, 07:41:34 PM
i found a site for 54.00 a year and you can have unlimted amount of space for uploads. and you can take off you files any time you want. i'm pretty stoked on this. i think it might be time to ditch all those CDS and DVDs
Title: Re: organize your CDs?
Post by: bluecaravan521 on January 06, 2008, 08:08:57 PM
 :-o Does this site have a link?
Title: Re: organize your CDs?
Post by: AfterMidnight on January 06, 2008, 09:12:04 PM
my bad mozy.com
Title: Re: organize your CDs?
Post by: VA $l!m on January 06, 2008, 09:14:47 PM
Quote from: jasonsobel on October 10, 2007, 07:40:08 PM
Quote from: MarkDavidson on October 10, 2007, 07:18:46 PM
jason,
what's wrong with the system that you have now? why don't you like it?

I have a few concerns/improvements in mind.

the biggest issues for me are the following:
I'm concerned that some of the older CD-R media will degrade and the data on those will be lost.  It's nothing that can't be replaced, as everything is in circulation.  but it's time consuming to replace.  so I'd like to update to a HD system to get everything off aging media.  Moving everything to HD media will bring another advantage, as it will bring everything to "one place", and I can hook it up to my main stereo.  Then I can say good-bye to the hundreds (thousands?) of audio CDs that I have burned over the years.  The problem with having everything on HD's is that I don't trust it.  So if I get everything onto HDs, I'm not going to throw away the data CD's until all the data is also burned onto some other optical media.  but re-burning all that data to regular DVD's is going to be too time consuming.  that's why I'm hoping that either burning HD-DVD (or bluray) will become more practical and affordable, so after I move everything to HD's, I can re-burn to new optical media efficiently, and then not worry about getting rid of the older CD-R media (because everything will be on the HD's and the new optical media).  the other advantage of getting everything onto HD-DVD (or bluray) is because when the HD's crash and burn, it'll be easier to restore the whole collection from 100 optical discs (HD-DVD) rather restoring all the data from thousands of CD-R's.

so, that's really my thoughts on that.  as far as my current DVD back-up system, it works well and I like it.  the issues I'll be facing are: when I switch over to harddrives, it will be time consuming to copy 450+ DVD's to the HD's.   and I'm burning a few new DVD's each week, so the number of DVD's is only going to grow.  Basically, when dealing with terrabytes of data, it is just inconvenient to back it up (or restore it to a new HD) 4.5 gigs at a time.  so I am craving for higher density media.  :-)
off topic, but slightly related to the highlighted portion of the quote...

personally, my dilema is this:
now that i'm finally archiving shn/flacs to an ext. HD. and i've stopped burning wav CDs to listen to, i need to start planning a system for the future as to how i'm going to listen to my music.

what i'd like to do is have a home stereo system that i can link to a PC or HD so i can just stream flacs or shns for playback. i have a surround system that i can get an 'IPOD dock' for and get around it that way, but i'm afraid i'm going to have to build a whole new system. plus i hate MP3 playback, so i've avoided PMPs up to this point anyway. i've seen the powered sub and speaker BOSE system like august had hooked to his PC, but i really would like a full surround system like i have now that i can have my XBOX 360 and cable and DVD player hooked up to as well as being able to use it as an linked amp for my PC or HD.
and when i've looked for other PC compatible stereo systems, all i've really seen are lower end SONY products, and i'm not sure exactly what they are capable of.

any thoughts.
sorry about the hijack, i might just post a new thread in tech support...
Title: Re: organize your CDs?
Post by: redrum on January 06, 2008, 09:31:53 PM
Quote from: VA slim on January 06, 2008, 09:14:47 PM

i have a surround system that i can get an 'IPOD dock' for and get around it that way, but i'm afraid i'm going to have to build a whole new system.  SONY products, and i'm not sure exactly what they are capable of.

any thoughts.


i was gonna get an iPod dock but just got a minijack > RCA wire instead. would that help you temporarily?
Title: Re: organize your CDs?
Post by: bluecaravan521 on January 06, 2008, 09:32:05 PM
Quote from: MarkDavidson on January 06, 2008, 09:12:04 PM
my bad mozy.com

Sick site! I'm gonna try out the free version for now- 2 GB storage for as long as you want- if anyone else wants to try it out would you mind using my referral code? It gives you 256 mb per person that you register.  The referral link is https://mozy.com/?ref=L6BUWI (https://mozy.com/?ref=L6BUWI), or if you just go the site use the code L6BUWI.  I just wonder what happens when they fail... we'll see if I purchase...
Title: Re: organize your CDs?
Post by: redrum on January 06, 2008, 09:35:08 PM
Quote from: MarkDavidson on January 06, 2008, 09:12:04 PM
my bad mozy.com

cool site mark, +K
Title: Re: organize your CDs?
Post by: VA $l!m on January 06, 2008, 10:04:00 PM
Quote from: redrum on January 06, 2008, 09:31:53 PM
Quote from: VA slim on January 06, 2008, 09:14:47 PM

i have a surround system that i can get an 'IPOD dock' for and get around it that way, but i'm afraid i'm going to have to build a whole new system.  SONY products, and i'm not sure exactly what they are capable of.

any thoughts.


i was gonna get an iPod dock but just got a minijack > RCA wire instead. would that help you temporarily?

maybe...
but really i'm looking for ideas to plan a new system around for the future.
and i wish there were more mainstream solutions available and practical.
i mean i'm all for getting rid of using CD media to listen to music, but it just doesnt seem practical or possible  for me as of now...especially if i want to avoid mp3s.
Title: Re: organize your CDs?
Post by: redrum on January 06, 2008, 10:07:32 PM
Quote from: VA slim on January 06, 2008, 10:04:00 PM
Quote from: redrum on January 06, 2008, 09:31:53 PM
Quote from: VA slim on January 06, 2008, 09:14:47 PM

i have a surround system that i can get an 'IPOD dock' for and get around it that way, but i'm afraid i'm going to have to build a whole new system.  SONY products, and i'm not sure exactly what they are capable of.

any thoughts.


i was gonna get an iPod dock but just got a minijack > RCA wire instead. would that help you temporarily?

maybe...
but really i'm looking for ideas to plan a new system around for the future.
and i wish there were more mainstream solutions available and practical.
i mean i'm all for getting rid of using CD media to listen to music, but it just doesnt seem practical or possible  for me as of now...especially if i want to avoid mp3s.


totally. i'm always wondering what my next step will be too. i feel like we're going through lots of advances at the moment and that i should just kinda sit back for a bit before i make that next move.


edit- i bet something will be out within the next year or 2 to solve this very problem.
Title: Re: organize your CDs?
Post by: sunrisevt on January 07, 2008, 08:00:37 PM
Yeah, I'm new to all this, in the last year and a half. All my first two years of d/l-ed music was in lossy formats.  :frustrated: But I'm hoping for that magic bullet in the next year or two, too. I'm closing in on half a terabyte of  :phish: &  :syf:, in aiff and wav on CD, and in flac or shn on an external... just feels a bit exposed.
Title: Re: organize your CDs?
Post by: VA $l!m on January 07, 2008, 10:54:03 PM
Quote from: redrum on January 06, 2008, 10:07:32 PM
Quote from: VA slim on January 06, 2008, 10:04:00 PM
Quote from: redrum on January 06, 2008, 09:31:53 PM
Quote from: VA slim on January 06, 2008, 09:14:47 PM

i have a surround system that i can get an 'IPOD dock' for and get around it that way, but i'm afraid i'm going to have to build a whole new system.  SONY products, and i'm not sure exactly what they are capable of.

any thoughts.


i was gonna get an iPod dock but just got a minijack > RCA wire instead. would that help you temporarily?

maybe...
but really i'm looking for ideas to plan a new system around for the future.
and i wish there were more mainstream solutions available and practical.
i mean i'm all for getting rid of using CD media to listen to music, but it just doesnt seem practical or possible  for me as of now...especially if i want to avoid mp3s.


totally. i'm always wondering what my next step will be too. i feel like we're going through lots of advances at the moment and that i should just kinda sit back for a bit before i make that next move.


edit- i bet something will be out within the next year or 2 to solve this very problem.


damn, i think i found a great temporary and affordable solution.

http://onkyousa.com/model.cfm?m=UWL-1&class=Accessory&p=i

i have an onkyp surround system, so this might be perfect for me.
Title: Re: organize your CDs?
Post by: CRAZYED on January 07, 2008, 11:33:05 PM
I use the squeezebox for FLAC & MP3 playback.  The thing is brillant.  Also add the fact that you can tap into the entire archive.org with like 2-3 clicks of a remote from your favorite recliner.  Squeezebox will stream flac over wifi or ethernet without issue, crystal clear, digital coax or optical out as well as regular rca's.  A great built in DAC.  Handles 16 or 24bit.  Technically it only supports up to 48khz but i've played 24/96 stuff and it automatically down samples it without issue. If you want support for those super high resolutions you should probably look at the transporter instead which is their stereophile device.  They've also got this new thing called the Duet i dont know much about.  Checkem out.

http://www.slimdevices.com/

Slim, i think its calling your name brah.  This is your shit man.

Title: Re: organize your CDs?
Post by: VA $l!m on January 07, 2008, 11:50:26 PM
Quote from: CRAZYED on January 07, 2008, 11:33:05 PM
I use the squeezebox for FLAC & MP3 playback.  The thing is brillant.  Also add the fact that you can tap into the entire archive.org with like 2-3 clicks of a remote from your favorite recliner.  Squeezebox will stream flac over wifi or ethernet without issue, crystal clear, digital coax or optical out as well as regular rca's.  A great built in DAC.  Handles 16 or 24bit.  Technically it only supports up to 48khz but i've played 24/96 stuff and it automatically down samples it without issue. If you want support for those super high resolutions you should probably look at the transporter instead which is their stereophile device.  They've also got this new thing called the Duet i dont know much about.  Checkem out.

http://www.slimdevices.com/

Slim, i think its calling your name brah.  This is your shit man.



haha. nice edit.

yup...... damn, time to do some research. but yuh, this is the type of thing i'm looking for.
that transporter is ssuwheeet, but $2000 is a little outta my range right now.
but the squeezebox would totally be worth the extra dough compare to the onkyo device, for sooo many reasons---MAINLY because when/if i upgrade my surround system i could still use the squeezebox if i switched brands of receivers..... damn, i think IT IS calling my name.
'daddy's gotta a sqeezebox, mama never sleeps at nite!!'  :lol: :banana:
Title: Re: organize your CDs?
Post by: VA $l!m on January 07, 2008, 11:53:43 PM
Quote from: VA slim on January 07, 2008, 11:50:26 PM
Quote from: CRAZYED on January 07, 2008, 11:33:05 PM
I use the squeezebox for FLAC & MP3 playback.  The thing is brillant.  Also add the fact that you can tap into the entire archive.org with like 2-3 clicks of a remote from your favorite recliner.  Squeezebox will stream flac over wifi or ethernet without issue, crystal clear, digital coax or optical out as well as regular rca's.  A great built in DAC.  Handles 16 or 24bit.  Technically it only supports up to 48khz but i've played 24/96 stuff and it automatically down samples it without issue. If you want support for those super high resolutions you should probably look at the transporter instead which is their stereophile device.  They've also got this new thing called the Duet i dont know much about.  Checkem out.

http://www.slimdevices.com/

Slim, i think its calling your name brah.  This is your shit man.



haha. nice edit.

yup...... damn, time to do some research. but yuh, this is the type of thing i'm looking for.
that transporter is ssuwheeet, but $2000 is a little outta my range right now.
but the squeezebox would totally be worth the extra dough compare to the onkyo device, for sooo many reasons---MAINLY because when/if i upgrade my surround system i could still use the squeezebox if i switched brands of receivers..... damn, i think IT IS calling my name.
'daddy's gotta a sqeezebox, mama never sleeps at nite!!'  :lol: :banana:

so, one quick question for you CRAYZED:
now, how does it work, do you have to play files through a media player, i.e. winamp on your PC then it streams it out, OR is this thing a PLAYER and does that for you??... just curious, like if i wanted to access files from a ext. harddrive.
Title: Re: organize your CDs?
Post by: VA $l!m on January 08, 2008, 12:03:33 AM
damn, i was looking at the duet this whole time, but the squeezebox is even a $100 less! :clap:
i am sooooo getting one of these!
tax return cant come soon enough this year! w00t!
now i just need some help picking out a new PC!  :beers:
Title: Re: organize your CDs?
Post by: denory on January 08, 2008, 07:57:58 PM
For those that still archive on cd / dvd, this site (www.allmediaoutlet.com) has "520 cd" cases for $10-15 all the time.  I have bought 6 over the past few years and have never had a problem with them falling apart....Just another cheap way to store option! 
Title: Re: organize your CDs?
Post by: VA $l!m on January 08, 2008, 09:53:33 PM
Quote from: VA slim on January 08, 2008, 12:03:33 AM
damn, i was looking at the duet this whole time, but the squeezebox is even a $100 less! :clap:
i am sooooo getting one of these!
tax return cant come soon enough this year! w00t!
now i just need some help picking out a new PC!  :beers:

BTW, the 'duet' is scheduled to be out this month.
and the major difference as compared to the original squeezebox, seems to be the remote which has a color screen and wheel like an IPOD to browse your music selections. also, i guess the other thing is that you can add on additional receivers to other stereo units in your house.
Title: Re: organize your CDs?
Post by: CRAZYED on January 09, 2008, 11:49:58 PM
The way squeezebox works is basically your computer where your music is acts as the server.  The Slimserver it is called.  There is a little application that runs on your pc, and it has a software player of its own called the softsqueeze i believe.   So basically that part resides on your home network, the slimserver & softsqueeze.  You basically tell the slimserver where all your music lives and it builds a small database and remembers where.  It can be in mulitple locations, network drives, external harddrives, local, wherever.

So then you go to your home theater or wherever you have your squeezebox hooked up.  You do some simple configuration of the SB.  Basically tell it where your music is, where the slim server (IP Address) is.  The SB connects to your wireless or wired home network.  It's relatively simple to all setup, its basically a wizard but you do need to know at least the basics of home networking.  Once it knows where your slimserver is, it can find your music.  And you can also browse out to other services like sirius, rhapsody, internet archive etc.