here it is
Looks amazing
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Not gonna lie, I like the looks of this bill. Haven't done a fest since Bonnaroo 09.
Hot shit! Now if there was only a way to talk the wife into letting this be our vacation...
I might do this over spac, but idk 6 sets of phish at spac seem good to me, just saw three nights of ween and yeah it was epic, jrad comes through a lot, vulfpeck and white denim though....thats pretty freakin sweet.
and there be lots more announced im assuming....decisions, decisions, if phil n friends was added to this then it would be a no brainer.
Twiddle? I'm there!
J/k, pretty much a dream lineup for a jamband fest.
First Lockn lineup with zero GDWSMFP. Tempting. Tempting.
would couch tour the hell out of this festival! you know shapiro wants to.
didn't they offer a couch tour for lockn last year?
Been seeing this Vulfpeck band's name floating around on the internet the past couple weeks. Kinda ear-glanced them. Seemed ok. Anyone ever seen em?
Quote from: Hicks on February 17, 2016, 01:48:39 PM
Twiddle? I'm there!
J/k, pretty much a dream lineup for a jamband fest.
Meh....add KDTU, Moe, Phil and Friends, and more bluegrass, and maybe I'd agree with you.
:ducks:
Quote from: antelope19 on February 18, 2016, 01:33:42 AM
Quote from: Hicks on February 17, 2016, 01:48:39 PM
Twiddle? I'm there!
J/k, pretty much a dream lineup for a jamband fest.
Meh....add KDTU, Moe, Phil and Friends, and more bluegrass, and maybe I'd agree with you.
:ducks:
No. Just no.
Quote from: EdBanky on February 17, 2016, 11:35:18 PM
Been seeing this Vulfpeck band's name floating around on the internet the past couple weeks. Kinda ear-glanced them. Seemed ok. Anyone ever seen em?
I haven't seen them yet. But heard they are really good live. My friend saw that at Brooklyn bowl there are some YouTube vids floating around of that show too.
Quote from: antelope19 on February 18, 2016, 01:33:42 AM
Quote from: Hicks on February 17, 2016, 01:48:39 PM
Twiddle? I'm there!
J/k, pretty much a dream lineup for a jamband fest.
Meh....add KDTU, Moe, Phil and Friends, and more bluegrass, and maybe I'd agree with you.
:ducks:
2005 called and they want their lineup back
I would like to see some bluegrass and The Jauntee added to the lineup.
Quote from: rowjimmy on February 18, 2016, 09:39:28 AM
I would like to see some bluegrass and The Jauntee added to the lineup.
Yes and yes.
At least they have Keller to help in the BG dept.
Ain't a festy without the big wu or the ominous seapods
strange they are keeping the pricing so hush hush, I keep getting notifications about the on sale times but nothing about the price, i guess we wont know until tomorrow at noon
Quote from: emayPhishyMD on February 18, 2016, 12:28:13 PM
strange they are keeping the pricing so hush hush, I keep getting notifications about the on sale times but nothing about the price, i guess we wont know until tomorrow at noon
You could spend a grand for a VIP pass
http://www.cidentertainment.com/events/lockn-festival-2016/vip-experiences/
Ha!
Exactly, which is why I think this fest is gonna be around 400-500 bucks for GA pass. People are about to bitch on the interwebz tomorrow when they see how expensive ShapiroStock will be
Quote from: emayPhishyMD on February 18, 2016, 01:12:51 PM
Ha!
Exactly, which is why I think this fest is gonna be around 400-500 bucks for GA pass. People are about to bitch on the interwebz tomorrow when they see how expensive ShapiroStock will be
the prices might end up there but the past few years they've started out lower (so if you buy in February you'll save like 100 bucks as opposed to buying in August). Hopefully they keep that up. Also you can buy a student ticket, those are a good bit cheaper and I don't think they verify that you're actually in school (one of my dad's friends bought a student ticket last year...dude's in his early 50's and had no problem)
Quote from: phil on February 18, 2016, 01:36:58 PM
Quote from: emayPhishyMD on February 18, 2016, 01:12:51 PM
Ha!
Exactly, which is why I think this fest is gonna be around 400-500 bucks for GA pass. People are about to bitch on the interwebz tomorrow when they see how expensive ShapiroStock will be
the prices might end up there but the past few years they've started out lower (so if you buy in February you'll save like 100 bucks as opposed to buying in August). Hopefully they keep that up. Also you can buy a student ticket, those are a good bit cheaper and I don't think they verify that you're actually in school (one of my dad's friends bought a student ticket last year...dude's in his early 50's and had no problem)
True. Hopefully can get one on the tier 2 or something that ends up being a little cheaper than full price. Won't be able to get one this month with the pending phish ticket request. I remember getting a student ticket the first year actually and wasn't a student and worried they would check for a student ID or something.
430 bucks with car camping.
Dang. At least it'll be a little cheaper for me since I'm staying at my house but still.
yeah the extra 130 dollars to camp is shitty but you do split that up with your campsite of 4 people it looks like so its really only like 340 bucks per person, 300 for the fest is pretty good deal.
Quote from: phil on February 19, 2016, 01:18:43 PM
Dang. At least it'll be a little cheaper for me since I'm staying at my house but still.
you still have to buy a day parking pass
Quote from: PGLHAH on February 19, 2016, 01:43:57 PM
Quote from: phil on February 19, 2016, 01:18:43 PM
Dang. At least it'll be a little cheaper for me since I'm staying at my house but still.
you still have to buy a day parking pass
www.sadtrombone.com phil
Jesus Christ, Shapiro...
Good job.
ShapiroStock!
Quote from: PGLHAH on February 19, 2016, 01:43:57 PM
Quote from: phil on February 19, 2016, 01:18:43 PM
Dang. At least it'll be a little cheaper for me since I'm staying at my house but still.
you still have to buy a day parking pass
yeah looked like it was like 40 bucks for a 4 day pass I believe.
Fuck it.
Grabbed tickets and a parking pass today.
Barnesy, Igbo, and I will be there.
Quote from: rowjimmy on February 19, 2016, 06:05:40 PM
Fuck it.
Grabbed tickets and a parking pass today.
Barnesy, Igbo, and I will be there.
Get some!
Quote from: rowjimmy on February 19, 2016, 06:05:40 PM
Fuck it.
Grabbed tickets and a parking pass today.
Barnesy, Igbo, and I will be there.
Nice.
Quote from: rowjimmy on February 19, 2016, 06:05:40 PM
Fuck it.
Grabbed tickets and a parking pass today.
Barnesy, Igbo, and I will be there.
Atta boys!
Friends of mine who went last year had terrible things to say about the organization and execution. Ingress, egress, camping, toilets, etc. I know last year was a shit show already with the weather, so not sure how much that played a role and/or my friends just drew a bad hand.
for an extra $15,000 you can stay in a tour bus all weekend...
http://www.cidentertainment.com/events/lockn-festival-2016/tour-bus-rentals/
Quote from: anthrax on February 20, 2016, 01:10:00 PM
for an extra $15,000 you can stay in a tour bus all weekend...
http://www.cidentertainment.com/events/lockn-festival-2016/tour-bus-rentals/
Doesn't include your super VIP passes for all eight of you. Total with inconvenience charges ($1316.14, btw) is a whopping $32,608.14!!!
Just over $4k per person... And squeezing 8 into that bus means sharing some bunks, I'm sure.
Somewhere, Clifford Ball is crying.
A beacon of light in the world of cash
That's bus thing is absurd
Your paying 4K to sit in a bus in a field in va over 350 for sleeping in a tent in an adjacent field.
Quote from: emayPhishyMD on February 20, 2016, 04:33:31 PM
That's bus thing is absurd
Think of the drugs that loot could buy.
Dumb asses.
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on February 20, 2016, 04:35:38 PM
Quote from: emayPhishyMD on February 20, 2016, 04:33:31 PM
That's bus thing is absurd
Think of the drugs that loot could buy.
Dumb asses.
My man! I knew I liked you for a reason :sbw:
Let's not forget Phish's festival hot streak. Maybe they'll play Axilla part 2
Quote from: EdBanky on February 21, 2016, 02:24:50 AM
Let's not forget Phish's festival hot streak. Maybe they'll play Axilla part 2
:clap:
Quote from: EdBanky on February 21, 2016, 02:24:50 AM
Let's not forget Phish's festival hot streak. Maybe they'll play Axilla part 2
DWD opener
Quote from: zimbra on February 21, 2016, 12:11:35 PM
Quote from: EdBanky on February 21, 2016, 02:24:50 AM
Let's not forget Phish's festival hot streak. Maybe they'll play Axilla part 2
DWD opener
/Sample taps Zimba on the shoulder
Quote from: anthrax on February 20, 2016, 01:10:00 PM
for an extra $15,000 you can stay in a tour bus all weekend...
http://www.cidentertainment.com/events/lockn-festival-2016/tour-bus-rentals/
That had better be rent to own.
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Ween -> Phish should be an interesting lockn'!
Also... Circles Around the Sun are playing a live show?!? That's gonna be awesome.
Twiddle shows up twice? Kids these days...
Quote from: VDB on May 10, 2016, 09:23:41 PM
Twiddle shows up twice? Kids these days...
Worst jamband ever.
Quote from: Hicks on May 10, 2016, 09:31:37 PM
Quote from: VDB on May 10, 2016, 09:23:41 PM
Twiddle shows up twice? Kids these days...
Worst jamband ever.
As a person who is unfortunately deeply engrained in the current 'Jamband Community'...
... I just.... Don't get it.
People out here say they're the hardest 'jamming' band in the scene but I'm just not hearing it. They don't even acccctruuallllyyy jam, IMO.
Does ANYONE actually jam these day? Serious question. Can someone please point me toward a band that ACTUaLLY jams besides phish? Please.
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on May 10, 2016, 10:26:05 PM
Quote from: Hicks on May 10, 2016, 09:31:37 PM
Quote from: VDB on May 10, 2016, 09:23:41 PM
Twiddle shows up twice? Kids these days...
Worst jamband ever.
As a person who is unfortunately deeply engrained in the current 'Jamband Community'...
... I just.... Don't get it.
People out here say they're the hardest 'jamming' band in the scene but I'm just not hearing it. They don't even acccctruuallllyyy jam, IMO.
Does ANYONE actually jam these day? Serious question. Can someone please point me toward a band that ACTUaLLY jams besides phish? Please.
You dont think Dopapod actually jams?
If not then I guess bisco would be the answer. :|
Quote from: Hicks on May 10, 2016, 10:30:04 PM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on May 10, 2016, 10:26:05 PM
Quote from: Hicks on May 10, 2016, 09:31:37 PM
Quote from: VDB on May 10, 2016, 09:23:41 PM
Twiddle shows up twice? Kids these days...
Worst jamband ever.
As a person who is unfortunately deeply engrained in the current 'Jamband Community'...
... I just.... Don't get it.
People out here say they're the hardest 'jamming' band in the scene but I'm just not hearing it. They don't even acccctruuallllyyy jam, IMO.
Does ANYONE actually jam these day? Serious question. Can someone please point me toward a band that ACTUaLLY jams besides phish? Please.
You dont think Dopapod actually jams?
If not then I guess bisco would be the answer. :|
Maybe my sarcasm meter is broken, but no.... I definitely do not think Dipapod 'type 2 jams' on the regular...
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on May 10, 2016, 10:36:32 PM
Quote from: Hicks on May 10, 2016, 10:30:04 PM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on May 10, 2016, 10:26:05 PM
Quote from: Hicks on May 10, 2016, 09:31:37 PM
Quote from: VDB on May 10, 2016, 09:23:41 PM
Twiddle shows up twice? Kids these days...
Worst jamband ever.
As a person who is unfortunately deeply engrained in the current 'Jamband Community'...
... I just.... Don't get it.
People out here say they're the hardest 'jamming' band in the scene but I'm just not hearing it. They don't even acccctruuallllyyy jam, IMO.
Does ANYONE actually jam these day? Serious question. Can someone please point me toward a band that ACTUaLLY jams besides phish? Please.
You dont think Dopapod actually jams?
If not then I guess bisco would be the answer. :|
Maybe my sarcasm meter is broken, but no.... I definitely do not think Dipapod 'type 2 jams' on the regular...
I honestly haven't heard a ton of their stuff, but when I saw them it seemed like the show had a couple "jams". Maybe it was part of the songs though since I'm not real familiar with them.
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on May 10, 2016, 10:26:05 PM
As a person who is unfortunately deeply engrained in the current 'Jamband Community'...
"Unfortunately," you say? Go on...
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on May 10, 2016, 10:26:05 PM
... I just.... Don't get it.
People out here say they're the hardest 'jamming' band in the scene but I'm just not hearing it.
I mean, I guess they can type I it fairly hard, based on the limited stuff I've heard? (If that's what people mean by "jamming.") But you have to get through some serious cheese to even make it there. Pass.
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on May 10, 2016, 10:26:05 PM
Does ANYONE actually jam these day? Serious question. Can someone please point me toward a band that ACTUaLLY jams besides phish? Please.
Dopapod, brah. Check out the 4/28 video I posted in that thread. I enjoy the incredulous response I get from a fellow Phish lifer friend of mine when I tell him how I think Dopapod jams better than Phish these days, but I'm only partly saying it to troll him. Phish's bar may be higher, but Dopapod reaches theirs much more regularly.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-9HrNXWa5Dp4/VzKirnOTB2I/AAAAAAAADvs/46RThY1UbDEtva0-OWE38zzmtkbXsP7hgCCo/s651/bernie-sanders-in-my-view.png)
Quote from: Hicks on May 10, 2016, 10:43:07 PM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on May 10, 2016, 10:36:32 PM
Quote from: Hicks on May 10, 2016, 10:30:04 PM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on May 10, 2016, 10:26:05 PM
Quote from: Hicks on May 10, 2016, 09:31:37 PM
Quote from: VDB on May 10, 2016, 09:23:41 PM
Twiddle shows up twice? Kids these days...
Worst jamband ever.
As a person who is unfortunately deeply engrained in the current 'Jamband Community'...
... I just.... Don't get it.
People out here say they're the hardest 'jamming' band in the scene but I'm just not hearing it. They don't even acccctruuallllyyy jam, IMO.
Does ANYONE actually jam these day? Serious question. Can someone please point me toward a band that ACTUaLLY jams besides phish? Please.
You dont think Dopapod actually jams?
If not then I guess bisco would be the answer. :|
Maybe my sarcasm meter is broken, but no.... I definitely do not think Dopapod 'type 2 jams' on the regular...
I honestly haven't heard a ton of their stuff, but when I saw them it seemed like the show had a couple "jams". Maybe it was part of the songs though since I'm not real familiar with them.
right on...., you're correct. I think I was being a bit too harsh in my criticism upon second thought.
Of all the up and coming 'jam bands' out there -- Dopapod does indeed openly improvise more than most. Rob and Eli blow me away with their musician ship every time i see them.
Maybe its just the drums that prevent me from fuuulllly feel like they are 100% improvising. He's just so.... 'perfect' in his time and playing.... there's never a moment of "Woah, where is this gonna go?" -- cuz, it always goes exactly where you think it'll go.... bigger, louder, more notes, peak, end. With that said, I like Scotty more than Fro as far as improv goes...
there are def exceptions to this. I am, by no means, an avid Dopapod listener and shows that ive heard like the Sinclair in Boston the past two years have totally showcased open ended type 2 jamming - I just havent heard that to be the norm. I'd love to be pointed towards other examples of this open ended jamming if there are others...
was hoping you'd chime in VDB - any other specific rec's of "out there" jamming?
Quote from: VDB on May 10, 2016, 11:22:01 PM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on May 10, 2016, 10:26:05 PM
As a person who is unfortunately deeply engrained in the current 'Jamband Community'...
"Unfortunately," you say? Go on...
Well... Phish and Grateful Dead are the preeeeeeetttty cool. I suppose, by default they are "Jam Bands"... but really, IMO, they transcend that term.... Ya know... they actually...jam.
... unfortunately, I can't name a single other current "Jam Band" that I'm 'into'...
If you want to lump MMW into Jam Bands, well then of course.... along with other Jazz Oriented bands that get lumped with "Jammers" but really aren't "Jam Bands"...
Call me crazy, but I feel like if Miles Davis were alive today, and you told him the world's premier "JAM bands" (other than Phish and GD members) were Moe., WSP, Umphrey's and Disco Biscuits.... he prooobbbaabblly would not be very impressed...
ETA: I wonder what Beethoven would think...
ETA2: I wonder what Mozart would think....
ETA3: I wonder what Bach would think...
ETA4: Those OG Gregorian Chant folks would prooooobably not be down with Umphrey's...
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on May 10, 2016, 11:45:18 PM
was hoping you'd chime in VDB - any other specific rec's of "out there" jamming?
Yep, meet me back in the Dopapod thread.
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on May 10, 2016, 11:54:53 PM
ETA4: Those OG Gregorian Chant folks would prooooobably not be down with Umphrey's...
Nonsense, Umphrey's went to Notre Dame.
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on May 10, 2016, 11:54:53 PM
Call me crazy, but I feel like if Miles Davis were alive today, and you told him the world's premier "JAM bands" (other than Phish and GD members) were Moe., WSP, Umphrey's and Disco Biscuits.... he prooobbbaabblly would not be very impressed...
he would sneer at the idea of labeling music. In general he loathed labels, including his own music and bands. for him music was music.
schedule is...interesting...I was already planning on staying at my house instead of camping, now thinking about just buying passes for Friday and Sunday
Def looks like potential for a lot of diff sit ins.
Also they added a lot of late night stages, looks fun
Quote from: emayPhishyMD on May 11, 2016, 11:04:08 AM
Also they added a lot of late night stages
Huh? Those are the same 2 late night stages they had last year (and there were also two the year before that but in different locations on the farm)
Quote from: susep on May 11, 2016, 09:36:30 AM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on May 10, 2016, 11:54:53 PM
Call me crazy, but I feel like if Miles Davis were alive today, and you told him the world's premier "JAM bands" (other than Phish and GD members) were Moe., WSP, Umphrey's and Disco Biscuits.... he prooobbbaabblly would not be very impressed...
he would sneer at the idea of labeling music. In general he loathed labels, including his own music and bands. for him music was music.
This
Quote from: phil on May 11, 2016, 11:05:49 AM
Quote from: emayPhishyMD on May 11, 2016, 11:04:08 AM
Also they added a lot of late night stages
Huh? Those are the same 2 late night stages they had last year (and there were also two the year before that but in different locations on the farm)
That garcias forest is going to be a super jam late night-ish stage I think - so thats new compared to the other two
when I went they had 1 stage that wasnt even announced on the festival schedule and it just went from like midnight to 3 am, now they have 3 late night options.
and I thought there were 4 late night stages but just saw that its split up Blue Ridge Bowl Late Night and Blue Ridge Bowl Morning sets so only 3 late night stages
from what I understand Garcia's Forest is pretty much the Jerry tent from years past in a woods setting rather than a tent on shakedown. super tight sound system playing soundboard GD/JGB recordings nonstop, not really what I'd consider a "stage" but I guess it counts? either way that's been one of the highlights for me in the past so will definitely try to check that out
ahh I was told it was going to be a super jam stage or area at nights and what you described during the day.
idk either way sounds like a good addition and another option of things to do at night
So I just read yesterday that this fest has two main stages, side by side. What's that about? Does the next act start immediately after the other one finishes? Isn't the break to allow the stage to be reset usually a good thing?
Quote from: VDB on May 11, 2016, 02:28:51 PM
So I just read yesterday that this fest has two main stages, side by side. What's that about? Does the next act start immediately after the other one finishes? Isn't the break to allow the stage to be reset usually a good thing?
It's definitely not the only festival like that. I kind of dig it, you get a little bit of interplay between artists (which is occasionally hilarious - see Bobby vs. Phil) and everything sort of flows between sets.
look deeper - they are doing away with the two-stage approach this year. One stage with a turntable stage so they can set up one band while the other is playing and just rotate the stage - 10 minutes between bands instead of immediate - much better, imo.
Quote from: PGLHAH on May 11, 2016, 03:41:36 PM
look deeper - they are doing away with the two-stage approach this year. One stage with a turntable stage so they can set up one band while the other is playing and just rotate the stage - 10 minutes between bands instead of immediate - much better, imo.
Aww, I was interested to see Ween jamming into Phish. They could've played Roses Are Free together.
I've never been to Lockn', but back in '05 there was The Big Summer Classic tour that had Umphrey's, YMSB, Keller Williams, Spearhead, New Monsoon and SCI and each band came out and played with the band before them before the first band left the stage. It was a pretty interesting show. Keller -> YMSB was sweet!
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on May 10, 2016, 11:54:53 PM
Call me crazy, but I feel like if Miles Davis were alive today, and you told him the world's premier "JAM bands" (other than Phish and GD members) were Moe., WSP, Umphrey's and Disco Biscuits.... he prooobbbaabblly would not be very impressed...
ETA: I wonder what Beethoven would think...
ETA2: I wonder what Mozart would think....
ETA3: I wonder what Bach would think...
ETA4: Those OG Gregorian Chant folks would prooooobably not be down with Umphrey's...
I need to chime in here on jambands. I think people have different concepts of what a jamband is. Hell, I think some people consider Blues traveler a jamband.
I don't really post much on here anymore because I just don't listen to current Phish. When they decide to jam, it just sounds generic to me and forced. I'd almost rather they just played their songs and went a little type I jamming but played more technically correct, but that is me. Lots of people dig current Phish though so it is all good.
The bands you've listed have their own things about them. I know moe. well. For me, the beauty of a moe. show is their transition to the next song. It is patient and it flows for me. You can hear the buildup to the next song and sometimes you can hear 3 different songs coming and they segue into a totally different song. I could think of some shows where there is a 5 minute buidup into Head and I think it is the best thing ever. If you don't know their songs or recognize Head, you wouldn't "get it" or it could be boring I guess. I'm sure there are interviews and articles to contrast it but I think moe. considers themselves a rock band. I've always considered jamband more of a fan term.
I've heard bisco does in fact jam and use type II improve. I don't like them but looking at their shows on the archive, they seem to be doing something. I'm not going to listen because it is not my sound.
I don't listen to every Dopapod show. They do a lot of type I type jamming, There are a lot of teases in their songs. It's weird because I never thought they sounded as much like Phish as others have said. This past Sinclair run (I think it was night 1), they sounded more like Phish at times than I have noticed in the past. They have definitely shown they can be spacey. Honestly, if they aren't doing it every show, it is probably because that is not the sound they are chasing. Just my view. And I also thought Scotty was just amazing the whole Sinclair run.
A lot of the bands you've mentioned have made it. They are all different in their own ways. I think they each offer something to fans. I like some of them and don't like others. You know what you like. Not every band wants to go into a spacey type II jam. These bands have been on the road playing music for a while now. This is what they want to do. Ok. I really don't know what Bisco wants to do, but I am sure they want to do something. End rant. I just listen to a lot of music (not bisco though) and I think a lot of these bands offer a lot to music fans. I appreciate all the great music that is still being put out there.
Quote from: phil on May 11, 2016, 03:22:35 PM
Quote from: VDB on May 11, 2016, 02:28:51 PM
So I just read yesterday that this fest has two main stages, side by side. What's that about? Does the next act start immediately after the other one finishes? Isn't the break to allow the stage to be reset usually a good thing?
It's definitely not the only festival like that. I kind of dig it, you get a little bit of interplay between artists (which is occasionally hilarious - see Bobby vs. Phil) and everything sort of flows between sets.
Are you saying the sets would actually overlap, like they're supposed to jam together from their respective stages? Or just a little wave and lift of the hat as they pass each other by?
Quote from: PGLHAH on May 11, 2016, 03:41:36 PM
look deeper - they are doing away with the two-stage approach this year. One stage with a turntable stage so they can set up one band while the other is playing and just rotate the stage - 10 minutes between bands instead of immediate - much better, imo.
If so, that's funny, because yesterday I was reading a silly Lockn-made listicle called "13 things you just don't get until you go to Lockn" or some such, and the adjacent stage thing was definitely an item they trumpeted. Oops.
Quote from: mistercharlie on May 11, 2016, 04:43:26 PM
Aww, I was interested to see Ween jamming into Phish. They could've played Roses Are Free together.
Didn't I read that one of the Weens was none too impressed when Phish started covering them? Wonder if that'll make this co-billing at all awkward.
Dan, interesting comment re: moe., and I agree. They can draw out those transitions very patiently and deftly. I've never really heard any kind of type II jamming out of moe., even in their longer excursions (though I don't claim to have heard but a small fraction of their live output), and I think that's fine as I don't imagine it's a big part of what they're trying to do (if any part at all).
As far as Dopapod, I certainly wouldn't say they sound like Phish. Sonically, I'd say the parallels pretty much start and stop with their mutual and occasional fondness for intricate, proggy compositions, although Dopapod's tend to have a darker and weirder bent to them (as they do in general). I do feel like I can hear Trey's influence in Rob's playing from time to time, which I don't believe he'd deny as he's on record as being a big Trey fan. Other overlaps are more so around the edges and may be incidental or just inevitable given the spaces that rock bands work within. (For example, they have a new tune whose outro solo/jam reminds me of Sample's. Well, OK. Organ + guitar + bass + drums + similar chord progression and that'll do it.)
bvaz lives!
Quote from: DoW on May 11, 2016, 04:57:39 PM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on May 10, 2016, 11:54:53 PM
Call me crazy, but I feel like if Miles Davis were alive today, and you told him the world's premier "JAM bands" (other than Phish and GD members) were Moe., WSP, Umphrey's and Disco Biscuits.... he prooobbbaabblly would not be very impressed...
ETA: I wonder what Beethoven would think...
ETA2: I wonder what Mozart would think....
ETA3: I wonder what Bach would think...
ETA4: Those OG Gregorian Chant folks would prooooobably not be down with Umphrey's...
I need to chime in here on jambands. I think people have different concepts of what a jamband is. Hell, I think some people consider Blues traveler a jamband.
I don't really post much on here anymore because I just don't listen to current Phish. When they decide to jam, it just sounds generic to me and forced. I'd almost rather they just played their songs and went a little type I jamming but played more technically correct, but that is me. Lots of people dig current Phish though so it is all good.
The bands you've listed have their own things about them. I know moe. well. For me, the beauty of a moe. show is their transition to the next song. It is patient and it flows for me. You can hear the buildup to the next song and sometimes you can hear 3 different songs coming and they segue into a totally different song. I could think of some shows where there is a 5 minute buidup into Head and I think it is the best thing ever. If you don't know their songs or recognize Head, you wouldn't "get it" or it could be boring I guess. I'm sure there are interviews and articles to contrast it but I think moe. considers themselves a rock band. I've always considered jamband more of a fan term.
I've heard bisco does in fact jam and use type II improve. I don't like them but looking at their shows on the archive, they seem to be doing something. I'm not going to listen because it is not my sound.
I don't listen to every Dopapod show. They do a lot of type I type jamming, There are a lot of teases in their songs. It's weird because I never thought they sounded as much like Phish as others have said. This past Sinclair run (I think it was night 1), they sounded more like Phish at times than I have noticed in the past. They have definitely shown they can be spacey. Honestly, if they aren't doing it every show, it is probably because that is not the sound they are chasing. Just my view. And I also thought Scotty was just amazing the whole Sinclair run.
A lot of the bands you've mentioned have made it. They are all different in their own ways. I think they each offer something to fans. I like some of them and don't like others. You know what you like. Not every band wants to go into a spacey type II jam. These bands have been on the road playing music for a while now. This is what they want to do. Ok. I really don't know what Bisco wants to do, but I am sure they want to do something. End rant. I just listen to a lot of music (not bisco though) and I think a lot of these bands offer a lot to music fans. I appreciate all the great music that is still being put out there.
That's my favorite thing about moe. also. So fluid and played with, it's great.
Quote from: Hicks on May 11, 2016, 08:19:44 PM
bvaz lives!
make fun of moe. and I come running :wink:
if I listened to more :phish:, I'd be around more. I just don't.
Hey, why'd you un-friend me on facebook? Jerk!
I have a free ticket to Lockn....Doesn't sound too free with those lodging choices. Same thing happened with my free Coachella ticket. Sure, I can get in for free but I need a second mortgage to afford the rest of these things :|
Quote from: mbw on May 11, 2016, 09:15:53 PM
Hey, why'd you un-friend me on facebook? Jerk!
Closet Trump guy.
All this debate on jammy bands just makes me wonder once again, who will be the next biggest "jam band"? Who will be the next band to play to a small city of just their fans alone. I just don't see that sorta thing happening with any the young bands these days. I'll probably be wrong though
Quote from: EdBanky on May 12, 2016, 01:55:38 AM
All this debate on jammy bands just makes me wonder once again, who will be the next biggest "jam band"? Who will be the next band to play to a small city of just their fans alone. I just don't see that sorta thing happening with any the young bands these days. I'll probably be wrong though
Yeah, I don't think we'll ever see anything quite like Phish again.
Quote from: VDB on May 11, 2016, 11:52:09 PM
Quote from: mbw on May 11, 2016, 09:15:53 PM
Hey, why'd you un-friend me on facebook? Jerk!
Closet Trump guy.
mbw, don't remember doing it. if I did it was either a period of getting rid of negativity, political talk or people I just don't see. I hate FB and it everything it stands for, but it is really the only way I hear about local music I like and what local musicians I like are doing.''I don't post on there except to link a recording and I have more people's posts hidden than ones that show up. I pretty much hate what the internet has turned into., maybe I'm just normal.
and VDB, I'm not a closet anything. if I was going to vote for Trump, I'd freely say I am. if I had to rank all the candidates, he's at the very bottom of the list and I didn't like anyone who ran this year.
I voted for Christie in the primary even after he suspended his campaign because I thought he was the best of the group, even though he has plenty of faults himself.
I'll be voting for Hillary. once I see all our ballot questions, I'll gladly post what I'll vote for on all those too.
my last rant on FB. I love local musicians who "friend" me even though they have never spoken to me either because I record music or they just tag people to promote shows and then use their FB page to promote their political views. I just don't understand why people want to make people vote for someone they want to win. I let everyone decide who they want to vote for based on their own agenda.
Quote from: Caravan2001 on May 11, 2016, 10:10:03 PM
I have a free ticket to Lockn....Doesn't sound too free with those lodging choices. Same thing happened with my free Coachella ticket. Sure, I can get in for free but I need a second mortgage to afford the rest of these things :|
If you're looking to offload that ticket I might be able to help you
Quote from: DoW on May 12, 2016, 05:49:21 AM
Quote from: VDB on May 11, 2016, 11:52:09 PM
Quote from: mbw on May 11, 2016, 09:15:53 PM
Hey, why'd you un-friend me on facebook? Jerk!
Closet Trump guy.
mbw, don't remember doing it. if I did it was either a period of getting rid of negativity, political talk or people I just don't see. I hate FB and it everything it stands for, but it is really the only way I hear about local music I like and what local musicians I like are doing.''I don't post on there except to link a recording and I have more people's posts hidden than ones that show up. I pretty much hate what the internet has turned into., maybe I'm just normal.
but i'm a happy green love beam!
Quote from: mistercharlie on May 11, 2016, 04:43:26 PM
Aww, I was interested to see Ween jamming into Phish. They could've played Roses Are Free together.
This was never going to happen.
Ballot Questions 2016 thread >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Quote from: ytowndan on May 12, 2016, 02:44:19 AM
Quote from: EdBanky on May 12, 2016, 01:55:38 AM
All this debate on jammy bands just makes me wonder once again, who will be the next biggest "jam band"? Who will be the next band to play to a small city of just their fans alone. I just don't see that sorta thing happening with any the young bands these days. I'll probably be wrong though
Yeah, I don't think we'll ever see anything quite like Phish again.
I agree. At least not again in our lifetimes.
There just isn't any touring bands out there with the
density that :syf: and :phish: had. The music was on-point but it was/is so much more than just that....
Bands like Radiohead or My Morning Jacket will continue to sell out arenas/amphitheaters but they'll never get thousands of people following them around the country. Bands like UM/Moe/DB are either past their prime or topped out at theaters/clubs. And the upcoming front-runners in the 'jam-scene (Twiddle, Dopapod, Papadosio etc.) I just don't see having enough musical depth (like Phish/Dead) to appeal to the masses. Which.... that's okay. Phish and Dead were the anomaly, not the normal.
Also, if you look at the timeline of things..... :syf: started in 63. :phish: in 83. Each band was "huge" about 10-15 years after they started... what band started in 2003 and now has a massive cult following them around the world? Justin Bieber?
I'm gonna throw out an unpopular opinion here...
The guys currently doing JRAD - those specific five guys - could be that next band to be huge. Not by playing Dead tunes, mind you. But if they made a choice to hunker down and be a band and write original material they could turn into a power house.
I'm not a fluffer of those guys by any means. I have only seen them twice and I'm not all in that they are the end-all be-all. But there is an abundance of talent, listening, group-think, etc. in that band. If they really got after their own sound, songs, etc. they could be a force.
Also, never gonna happen.
Quote from: PGLHAH on May 12, 2016, 11:54:28 AM
I'm gonna throw out an unpopular opinion here...
The guys currently doing JRAD - those specific five guys - could be that next band to be huge. Not by playing Dead tunes, mind you. But if they made a choice to hunker down and be a band and write original material they could turn into a power house.
I'm not a fluffer of those guys by any means. I have only seen them twice and I'm not all in that they are the end-all be-all. But there is an abundance of talent, listening, group-think, etc. in that band. If they really got after their own sound, songs, etc. they could be a force.
Also, never gonna happen.
I know the thread is off topic at this point, but oh well.
I've always wondered about these guys that have stalled in other projects. Is it the fan base that is just not willing to learn new music and are willing to accept these guys because the songs are familiar?
it's weird because Marco's last 2 solo albums have gone in a new direction with more lyrics and just a different sound.
I think it is a supply and demand thing. if Phish decides to stop playing in 15 years, are fans going to want to spend their money and see someone else? if so, they'll buy tickets and that leads to bigger venues.
I've never worried about how big bands get. I'll go see music that I enjoy. over the past few years, some fo my favorite shows have been in the Lizard lounge which has a capacity of 105 people.
Quote from: DoW on May 12, 2016, 01:06:30 PM
if Phish decides to stop playing in 15 years, are fans going to want to spend their money and see someone else? if so, they'll buy tickets and that leads to bigger venues.
Almost certainly. We saw that during the hiatus. And weren't Phish themselves the beneficiaries of this after August 1995?
And I agree about seeing shows at smaller venues. It's a nice change of pace to go from seeing Phish with 20k other people to seeing a band you also really, really like in a small room where you can pretty much stand wherever you want and maybe even talk to the guys after the show.
Quote from: VDB on May 12, 2016, 01:47:47 PM
Quote from: DoW on May 12, 2016, 01:06:30 PM
if Phish decides to stop playing in 15 years, are fans going to want to spend their money and see someone else? if so, they'll buy tickets and that leads to bigger venues.
Almost certainly. We saw that during the hiatus. And weren't Phish themselves the beneficiaries of this after August 1995?
And I agree about seeing shows at smaller venues. It's a nice change of pace to go from seeing Phish with 20k other people to seeing a band you also really, really like in a small room where you can pretty much stand wherever you want and maybe even talk to the guys after the show.
That's why Japan 2000 ruled face....
If you were on the fence, looks like Phil will be added soon.
Quote from: Hicks on June 27, 2016, 01:06:55 AM
If you were on the fence, looks like Phil will be added soon.
That's happening.
P&F on Saturday & Sunday.
http://www.jambase.com/article/phil-lesh-friends-added-to-lockn-festival-announces-2016-2017-new-years-run
Here's the circles around the sun late night set
https://archive.org/details/cats2016-08-26.flacaud
Sick
Thanks for the heads-up, Erik. I've been hoping that set would pop up.
Khruangbin set is up.
https://archive.org/details/khruangbin2016-08-27.flacaud
^ Awesome. Sad I missed that during the stream.
Did they even stream stuff from that stage?
From the people who went how did y'all like the fest? Was it the ultimate jam band fest experience you were expecting?
Quote from: rowjimmy on September 01, 2016, 03:53:59 PM
Did they even stream stuff from that stage?
I didn't catch every minute of it, but I think the live webcast was only broadcast from the main stage. I was pissed on Thursday night when I stayed up past my bedtime for JRAD and it wasn't on (although I guess they showed it the day after given Hicks' Not-So-LST?). SiriusXM didn't either; they played sets from the prior day until the first main stage act started playing. Glad the AUDs for some of the other stages are popping up.
Quote from: rowjimmy on September 01, 2016, 02:53:39 PM
Khruangbin set is up.
https://archive.org/details/khruangbin2016-08-27.flacaud
My favorite set of the weekend
Lettuce's late night set is absolutely slaying on https://fans.com/lockn (https://fans.com/lockn) right now. :beerbang:
Quote from: EdBanky on September 01, 2016, 04:26:25 PM
From the people who went how did y'all like the fest? Was it the ultimate jam band fest experience you were expecting?
It was pretty great.
Quote from: rowjimmy on September 02, 2016, 08:58:50 AM
Quote from: EdBanky on September 01, 2016, 04:26:25 PM
From the people who went how did y'all like the fest? Was it the ultimate jam band fest experience you were expecting?
It was pretty great.
:tte:
Quote from: rowjimmy on September 02, 2016, 08:58:50 AM
Quote from: EdBanky on September 01, 2016, 04:26:25 PM
From the people who went how did y'all like the fest? Was it the ultimate jam band fest experience you were expecting?
It was pretty great.
(http://i.imgur.com/PkccYav.jpg)