Entering Setlists... Ok, here's the deal.
1. Go to the overall setlists page and hit edit. Scroll down to your year and type in/paste the setlist. Pasting from something like the mockingbird setlists works well although you will have a little formatting to do, but a lot less than any other time. Really watch to make sure you have proper formatting and full song names. The [[whatever]] is a link to a wiki page so those braces surround every song name. the ===date=== actually creates a "section" which would be listed at the top had I not turned it off, we may do something with it later. Then determine what kind of arrows to use if not a comma. I check a few different setlist sites and use common sense and what I remember if I had just listened to the show. In fact, that's probably the best way, take notes as you listen. The arrows are created with → Save it and then go check it out.
2. Go copy the code for an individual setlist page from a previous entry. Click on the date you just created and go edit the page and paste. Look in there for things that you will change. The top section is actually a template, Just change the date and venue. The setlist, I found, is easiest if you copy/paste from the thing you just created, then put the cursor in and hit enter and enter the track#, then go back and paste that
at the end of each line. I made the notes section from a few sources. I decided that it would be better to only mention "first time played since" if it's over 100 shows, but we can argue that. If a song has an extended jam, I note that and the track length. If a song is cut short or with alternate lyrics, that's in there. All teases are in quotes. Like "Mozambique" tease in Llama. If you hear a song jammed before its release date, that gets a mention. The next sections, just make sure you have the right link by checking it out after you save. Other ideas always welcome.
3. It'd be a good idea to do songs at the same time. As they fill up, you'll only have to add the instance from your show to that song's page. Until then, you'll have to create the song page. I haven't done this but for 2 songs so far so lets button it down.
4. Check your brother's work. Post back here, maybe in a sticky, everything you create and the others will check it out. If there is any question, like, "Should its be capitalized in the title to My Mind's?", or should that arrow be a >, ask it. We gotta get this uniform. Most formatting you can get from a previous page, but we've gotta ask questions.
Please look at what's there and ask ask many questions as you can think of, I'll hold off a bit until I get some feedback.
1998-04-02
1998-04-03
1998-04-04
1998-04-05
Tube
PYITE (Oh, redirects. If you type in PYITE, it'll take you to Punch You in the Eye. Once there, you click on the re-directed link to view how the re-direct is set up for abbreviations. This is in case someone does a search, it'll take them right to it. There's a way to do it for dates that's easier, but we'll figure that later.)
ok, are we sure we wanna just take from the mockingbird? shouldnt we contact them or something?
Ok, just re-type it :wink:
Think about it, we could take the text from anywhere, it's just so we don't have to type. The setlist isn't going to change and we still have to add our own formatting and our own arrows and such. I have used the copy/paste, but with modifications, it's like I never did it.
In addition, we need to get uploading allowed so we can put images in... In 1998-04-02, I put an image from another site in a table that was aligned to the right, as well as a link to an internal uploaded image. We'll take the external one out as soon as uploading is turned on. If you click on the link, it says it's turned off. I think that the right side of the page should have an image of the ticket stub...
Edit: If we have image uploading turned on, we can basically make the ticket stubs a standard size because you can make internal image links into a selected width thumbnail. So can we get that turned on?
j
i've got ticket stubs for almost every show i've been too. thats roughly 185 stubs i'm guessing.
ok, so i entered my 1st setlist (1997-12-13)...
a bit more work than i expected, but i'll get a rhythm down.
we'll definitely need to come up with our own stuff for the show notes from each show. we dont want to directly rip that off from hpb or mockingbird...
Absolutely... Our notes are in list format, which is good. It's not the same. I added my first show 1994-11-28 with a ticket stub. I think that it should be entered as I have it, as a thumbnail, with a max width so everything's kosher across all pages. I am checking yours out and will post comments...
1. In the overall setlists section, put the double braces around each song so that you can link to them right there. It's quick.
2. Your notes. Every song name should be in [[song]] format so you can link to it anywhere. What's the smallest gap we should mention? I thought 100 shows was cool, but we could go down to 50 or something (you mention that Catapult was 60... How many phans really want to see that unless it's huge. Maybe it's even better to do by date. 100 shows could be 1 year in 94/95, but 2/3 in 97/99. What are your thoughts?
3. The db links. Your format is ok, but let's do something different than what either of us have... Check out what I put for 1994-11-28 and tell me what you think. Originally, I was just putting the show link and letting the user get to the sources from there. If we put each source link, they should be more descriptive. Now that I think of it, why don't we just link to the show only. Because we don't want to have to update the wiki every time a source is added. Instead, it is one click away and the user can see all of the available sources by clicking on the show... Dig? So I vote for sticking with what I had previously. What do you think?
Let me know.
Jephrey
man formatting this bitch is gonna be the biggest pain in the ass!
i also cant get the link to the DB to work right... i tried to copy & paste from what you had and then just change the date, but it still goes to the 94 show.
btw... i added the image of the stub to every setlist in there. what you do is get your stub, save it as png/jpg using the naming format yyyymmddstub.xxx for 2-day tix, just make it like dddd or something.T hen go to the individual setlist page and change the code it to exactly that name. Save it and you should link to a blank image page. Upload your image and there'll be a link back to the setlist you just came from. I made it to scale the picture down to 100 pixels. Let's discuss if it should be more. It's tiny on the 23" but I haven't seen it on the 12" and imagine 100pixels to be fine. Personally, I'd be OK with more. We can also make it a thumbnail instead of just a scaled image, but I think it's fine. We could put more images down the right side using a table but I think we should keep it at this. Dissenting opinions welcome.
Let's discuss.
Jephrey
i also think on the main setlist page, that we need to tighten up each setlist by taking out the return between each set/encore, by using
see how i did it with 12/13/97
got a minute? PM me your phone # and I'll call you
10:36 central
i think it should be a bit bigger, maybe 200 or 250. set it up and i'll take another look.
still at work, but we could IM when i get home. see my AIM name below or in my profile.
i'll be home by 11pm CST
don't have aim set up and just posting back and forth here could accomplish the same. Just trying to get something quicker.
J
Oh, and I used
in all the setlists, I like it... Cleans it up.
And it looks like your link is good!
hear ya, you dont have iChat? wtf, i thought you were a mac geek. i've got an isight also, so we could voice/video chat as well.
dont have an isight, but can hook up a vid cam for the same effect (video I/O). I am setting up an AIM acct now.
Anyhow, I used to use AIM and probably still have another one that I used to use with some prog that could do all of them but eventually gave up because I never really used it much. I have a cell phone which is WAY easier, especially with the walkie talkie feature (Nextel/Sprint). I don't get close to my minutes.
J
i hear ya, but to be honest, i hate talking on the phone. i'd rather type.... pretty lame huh
Would you rather iChat? I got video hooked up already. Never did it before, 15 minutes later, I'm ready to go. God these macs are the shit!!!
Jephrey69 is my AIM
J
nerds :-P
thats Mac nerds to you! :P
Some minor stuff.
1. I have always used Chalkdust, but I believe Chalk Dust Torture is correct.
2. I changed the few over to Set I and Set II, in lieu of Set 1 and Set 2. And used the full Encore instead of just E
3. I added the "top" thingy to each year on the overall setlists page, I figured it would be nice to be able to go back to the top as well as refined linking. Basically click the year at the top and you'll get to a place to click the actual show at the beginning of each year. It's nice. Check it out.
4. I see one of you took the code and made the 1997 page. It's really duplication because you can do the same thing right in the page. Although I think a list with all the dates/locations without setlists would be nice and then provide links to the setlists overall and individual pages. I'll do a little table in 1998. See what you think. I imagined the year pages like an overall thingy that would give some yearly stats and info (like in the almanac)
Jephrey
yeah, we can do polls here and use that info for our 10 best for each year, some sleeper picks, some key jams from the year, etc.1
having some trouble with getting the formatting right. help please.
1998 page.
I like that little table you got in there... You can defiine the width of it I believe... Here are some new things.
1. Song Pages. I added YEM and basically, for every show that we have in there I put entries in the instances list. I also went back and completed PYITE and Tube. So, when you enter a setlist, you also must go to each song that's available and add the song to the instances list. For any song page you create, if you do, you must at least enter the instance that exist in setlists that have been posted.
2. On the overall year pages (we're kinda working on 97 and 98) at least we know that the table on the right is kosher, so for every setlist you create, you should add the date and tour(if it's the first) to that list too.
Yes, it's tedious, but I think we're ok. I can enter setlists pretty quickly now and should be able to sneak some in at work as well.
wish there was a way to automate some of this. like entering it all into a excel document or filemaker document and then having the server parse the info so we didnt have to enter info in 10 different places to make one setlist entry.
i mean for every show we enter thats an average of 18 songs that need to have their pages updated, along with the main setlist page, the yearly setlist page, etc, etc... thats a lot of work.
Well, let's figure out exactly what needs to be updated for each show entry...
1. main setlist
2. detail setlist
a. We could do each song page that's available...or...just do them as we feel fit. This goes for venue page and year page as well.
So really, it's just the 2 setlists pages. I like the idea of having a person that enters the setlists, a person that checks them and enters the other data on the year/tour/song/venue pages. (on those pages, really, the data entry is fairly simple as well so personally, I don't think it's a huge thing). I'll enter 1 setlist from beginning to end, do all (minus updating all songs/venue) and reply with my findings and the time it takes.
Jephrey
Well, for 1 show (and it makes it easier if you do a couple at a time) it took a total of 15 minutes.
The setlists alone took 10, updating the year page and one song page (remember we have no tour pages yet, but I imagine something very close to the year page but with tour notes.) and uploading a ticket stub (including saving as a png from it's original photoshop.) I started with nothing open.
I think this is OK. I'll have to do a run of like 5 in a row to really cut time down and I'd bet I could make it 7minutes for the setlists.
Anyway, I'm just going to randomly pluck away, maybe pick a tour and do that.
I'll do a tour page (same as year page) and get a couple more songs in.
Jephrey
I made some mods to the 97s that one of you added...
1. between the set and the notes section 2 blank lines. As I also added the audio sources and bt search sections, it became cluttered with only 1.
2. I erased a few notes, I believe we decided to only mention shows that hadn't been played for 100 or more shows? Also on the others, they said last played on September 13, 1988 (854 shows), for example. I changed it to [[1988-09-13]] to provide a link to it.
3. You have to call it 1997 fall tour, not Fall tour. because many years have a fall tour, and a click on the link will bring you to a page called fall tour. We want it year-specific.
Please check my work as well, I entered another setlist and AC/DC Bag song page. As well as a preliminary Island tour page although now after thinking about it, it should be called 1998 Spring Tour and at the top it should be in large text AKA, the island tour. Thoughts?
Let's keep it rollin!
Jephrey
your ticket stubs arent showing up. i'll post mine.
i uploaded the following summer 97 stubs:
-7/29
7/30
7/31
8/02
8/03
hey what do you think about this idea?
on the tour or year pages, instead of a top 5/10 shows, how about just songs/jams? at this point we all know what the top shows are, but putting up specific jams would be cool and unique. what do you think?
SWEET! I actually didn't have any of those stubs, I am just making placeholders. It's pretty sweet, I just put the name and when you uploaded them they showed up. This'll be cool for other users uploading ones we don't have... I changed the island tour ones to placeholders as well... I'll ask the community for stubs... I was using png, I don't know if that's the best or not but it was easy for me. We can use whatever, but it's nice to have continuity.
We're kinda unlimited on what we can do, why not have both shows and/or jams??? That kinda looks how it is now eh? There could/should also be stats like most played songs, most likely first set opener etc. It seems that tables are the way to do this. It seems like we're on the right track with this stuff.
Everything seems to be moving along albeit slowly. After we finish a tour or a couple and get maybe 20 songs and a couple more year and tour pages finished, I think we'll be rolling and be able to get things finished quickly. I can be doing something like 5 shows, 2 songs a day, as well as continuing to help in formatting the year and tour pages. We must focus on setlists and songs, because that's the imperative stuff. If we get even a couple years finished, we'll be on our way. I bet I can finish 2002 pretty quickly :-D. And PH should be easier as well as being the most necessary (because that's what we're missing in the paper books).
Jephrey
i've got stubs for 99% of 1999, and about 98% for summer 98, and all of fall 98 till UIC, i've got a lot of 2000 too, but its not scanned in.
august has a load of stuff and of course, we're looking for mail-order first, but will post what we got.
I'll start a new thread concerning help so check it...
J
ok, a few things we need to discuss about setlists that i noticed while adding some today.
1. song abbreviation- we've got to set some standards, cuz i know we all do it different. i like mine short and sweet, to the point (ie: dwd, yem, split, theme, bouncin, tmwsiy, etc). the mockingbird goes all the way (ie: down with disease, you enjoy myself, etc)
2. jams... what are we gonna do about jams. i've been using mockingbird as a go off of place. and they have some things simply listed as "jam"... if we do the same, how could we possible try to link to a "jam" song page. so we'll have to do something like livephish does, and say something like "worchester jam". see how i've done this on 11/30/97 & 12/3/97.
welp, i'm cruising along on some of this. much easier if you do one thing at a time, like all quick setlists.
1. I was under the impression that we'd do no abbreviations. slightly possibly more work now, none later, no confusion. I know we all know YEM but what the hey. We usually use a copy-paste and then modify anyway, so no real extra typing.
2. Just thinking about this, I like the singular "Jam" designation... Here's why.
pro. There won't be all these different pages, one for each jam. Unless we want that kind of information for each individual jam (I think it can be put iin the notes)
pro. With "Jam", theres one page called Jam, and then like other song pages, it lists each instance. The notes for each instance could tell a little about each jam. Basically, If I wanted to go search out all Jams, they'd be there on one page. -- rebuttal: We could have both the jam page and the individual jams with their own pages. Although tedious, you could convince me.
con. In general, we'd just have to create a lot of pages with a tiny bit of info on each.
Thoughts?
3. Yeah, I did a few at work today and now am moving on... Did you see all the stubs at phantasytour? Those are user uploads which means (I think) that they are public property and we could use them... Should we? Or should we continue our grassroots?
4. Where's RJ? Work? Who the hell works?
Jephrey
as far as stubs go, i think we should try and get what we have first, and if we need to, down the road, can maybe "borrow" from pt or that expresso beans site, if that is possible.
my mail order list is up.
jephrey has all my others and i can get a bunch from my brother, including euro 98 and a ton of 92-95.
joseph august
I agree, even though it's more work, I like the grassroots effort.
Jephrey
Jedi,
I noticed on a few setlists, your use of [[You Enjoy Myself|YEM]]... :oops: I changed it to just the full name in the ones that I made a details page for, but didn't look in others.
If everyone likes this then I'm for it BUT...
1. It's harder to enter because (and I'm sure you use it too) I use a copy paste and don't want to have to add any more text.
2. It doesn't add any value. If folks use these for their text files, it's a copy/paste. The only need for abbreviations is if you're writing by hand or typing. If you're pasting, there's no harm in the full name and the abbreviation doesn't get you anything.
3. I'd have to go back and update all the other setlists that I have entered (in both places)
What do the rest of you think?
Jeprhey
it makes it uniform, which is good.
in many ways, the wiki is almost like "Phish For Dummies".
i mean, WE all know common abbreviations, that a HYHU is gonna follow a fish tune, who tom marshal is etc....
it really will become everything that there is to know about phish.
but to keep everything congruent, i think the full title is best.
"hey man.that mcgrupp and the watchful hosemasters ripped!"
"not as much as the man who stepped into yesterday did"
joseph august
i've also done it with a few DWD too, and also a Mcgrupps somewhere.
i figured we are still in beta stage, so i wanted to try it.
Cool, do you mind if I am making the details pages for the setlists you are putting on the setlists page? Maybe that's a good system of checks and balances? I've got it down to a groove and can do it pretty quickly. I'm probably under 1 hour for 6 shows beginning to end (It's easier if you do 4-6 at a time). And it takes me under 5 to make a details page with minimal notes. I'll continue on early 97 and some later 97. It'd be nice to get that buttoned up just to have an entire year to look at.
Jephrey
yeah thats great.
i actually like doing the "at a glance" setlists and the year pages more than doing the full setlist pages. so if you take those, i'll keep cranking out the quick setlists and the year pages.
perhaps though, we should finish up 1997 and then hold off on other years. that way we can work out all the kinks and make everything the way we like it and then just mass produce the other years...
i was thinking that too.
there is still a hanful of euro 97 (first leg) that is not up yet.
i dont mind doing the setlists (both forms).
it might be a little easier if we assign one aspect to each of us, that way we can at least concentrate on one year at a time.
joseph august
I like taking on both parts... But I'll do the details pages more often. I have a knack for it. All copy-paste and a tiny bit of formatting. I don't want to get burned out, so I'll be doing other stuff, but I'll try to concentrate on making the setlist details pages...
I definitely like the idea of finishing 97... Getting some more songs in there (gotta figure out covers, I'm guessing we do it similar to originals). Getting the year and all the tour pages up to snuff... A tiny bit more functionality. Maybe pictures , maybe some individual stories or reviews. Just that kind of stuff. We're not that far off, so let's just kick ass till the end of 97 and then discuss additions and stuff before starting the next year (which I'll vote for 98).
Jephrey
we should come to a consensus on what we want to say on each year page and tour page.
- the brief paragraph about each year/tour
- our "Live 5" & "Week4paug Grooves"
that all sounds good.
i guess for the live five, we can each throw out our favorite eight or so, and kind of work it down from there.assume, 11-22 might be one we can agree on, or 12-30 etc....because i know some of my favs from 97 are sleepers (12-29 & 7-10).
joseph august
I say, just put whatever you want in the live 5 and grooves and we'll whittle it down... Since we're only doing 1 year page right now, it should be ok to change again and again. The tour pages might just be more specific but kinda the same thing. I might try a venue page. I could see a link to google maps and a picture of the seating in the venue, maybe notes about security and nearby camping if pertinent. Of course a section could be called shakedown street for venues like deer creek where shakedown is poppin'. I'll probably expirement with Deer Creek first.
Jephrey
you might even get my stinking help again soon
ok, i'll be honest here, i HATE Also Sprach Zarathustra! thats the only one i cant deal with i think (well actuall McGrupp & TMWSIY too). its gotta be 2001.
I have always used 2001 and TMWSIY and McGrupp as well, but alas the full name is what it is. I'd entertain not using the full name at all, but the straight copy is too damn easy and I'm not about to go in and start changing the ones we did as well as anything else that comes in. I guess you know where I stand, and we know where you stand, so rj and aug... take a vote. I'd also like to put this to a vote to the rest of the population. It's most important to give the masses what they want right? I don't really want to creat the whole thing in a vacuum (even though that's the easiest and we don't have to listen to anyone elses bitching).
Jephrey
Don't know which one of you is entering the midtyns sp? festival, and it's an opinion that there should still be Set I: before it on both pages. My logic for that is that even though there was only 1 set, it was still Set I.
What do you guys think?
Jephrey
^^^
agreed
that was me.wasnt sure.
also, sprach.
thats my vote.
joseph august
FYI
use of the
and "double return", I'll call it DR to save typing.
br, is a carriage return plain and simple
DR will show up like 1.5 lines
br is not necessary before a DR because the DR takes precedence
In addition, we use a triple return in some places as well. so
br=next line
DR=1.5 lines
br br=2 lines
TR=looks like 2.5-3
Just stick with the norm or make a suggestion to do something differently. Sorry to be so picky, but I guess it'll keep the site uniform.
Jephrey
One more thing...
All the setlists (on their details pages) have like
01. [[song]]
there's a space between the . and the [[
Also, aug, putting th bt.etree search is not hard... Just change the date in the site address and the text in both lines. If you're not putting it in for other reasons, let's have a more in depth discussion.
IMO, for now, it should be there because we will want a way to search, and it is a start... I've added it to the one's I've run across.
no problem.i was just holding off to see if threre was a better way to search.
joseph august
Quote from: jephrey on September 23, 2005, 11:53:42 PM
FYI
use of the
and "double return", I'll call it DR to save typing.
br, is a carriage return plain and simple
DR will show up like 1.5 lines
br is not necessary before a DR because the DR takes precedence
In addition, we use a triple return in some places as well. so
br=next line
DR=1.5 lines
br br=2 lines
TR=looks like 2.5-3
Just stick with the norm or make a suggestion to do something differently. Sorry to be so picky, but I guess it'll keep the site uniform.
Jephrey
Be picky.
Uniformity is key, here. also, it's informative to say, me, as i haven't begun to really work on this yet.
Ok, I polished off 97 fall (Details pages). I should add them, if not already to the year page and I'll start finishing up the euro tours. Then, we've gotta have a nice idea for the tour pages (maybe like the year pages). We should think about adding teases to the song pages (just for fun) and then if the cover song pages will look just like the song pages or not.
I'll do a couple more venue pages... Any other ideas on that?
I'll see what other stats may be cool on a year page like (top5 first/second set opener/closer and encore, All songs played and how many times, etc)
Jephrey
i finished entering the setlists for the remaining shows from europe.(1st leg)
a few questions arose in the meantime...
1. the next "show" is letterman.
should this be labeled as set one, or since only one song was played, leave it as is?
2. 2-26-97 radio appearance...i labeled this as set one and also as 2-26-97 (A) for now.
the stuttgart show from that night is left untouched.
3. lastly, there are many kickdowns from these shows.
maybe later down the road we can have links to the show where a particular song was last played.
that is all, i will be adding all the source info for these shows later on tonight.
peace
joseph august.
1. My vote would be to not label it, and not include it in stats.
2. My vote for a/b would be to just make one page and have both on there. Then nobody is confused, they click the date from the setlists page and it shows both. I didn't kill the (A) section, but I added that set to the 7-26 section and details page for that date so you could take a look. If you like it, go ahead and remove the (A) section and (A) details page, if not, let's talk about it.
3. Well, if it's been over 100 shows, we put it in the notes and make the date a link so you can hit that. Is that what you mean? See how I changed Magilla to a pseudo standard that I have been following...
**[[Magilla]] was last played [[1994-05-04]] (260 shows)
If you like that, go ahead and change the other ones... That way there's a link to the date. The link is to the detailed setlist, but I had entered that "(s)" in other places to link to the setlists page and wonder if it'd be good in these situations too.
I'll say again that in cases of a bulleted list that you don't need the
, finally siince it's a list and they're not necessarily sentences. I usually don't punctuate but maybe I should.
Let me know what you think
Jephrey
yeah, that is what i meant by the magilla example you posted.
thanks,
joseph august
Cool,
A couple things as I continue to look over 7-26. I know on The white Tape calls it Dog Gone Dog, and I've seen Dog your Dog, but the Pharmers, and on the Phish website, it's called Dog Log. I say we go with that. Also, I believe it's Rocka William, not Rock-a-William, but I can't find a true reference (The pharmers has Rocka).
What do you think about putting both shows under the one date?
J
rocka is fine.
and i always referred to it as dog log, so that should be cool, as well.
rowjimmy and jedi?
joseph august
go!
This is sweet. I added the links to the shows. I am waiting for thoughts on instance where there are 2 shows in a day like a radio interview then a show. I'd like to get rid of 1997-02-26(A) and just put everything under 1997-02-26. I have it that way, but I left the (A) page and entry in the setlists there just in case there was a reason to do it that way. Let's decide that, I guess you know where my vote is.
Jephrey
ok
I think that Letterman should be listed as a seperate show and counted in the stats and everything, just like a radio show with 10 songs would be. If a regular gig takes place on the same day (howdya like this segueway here?) they should be seperate pages with A) and B) unless they are late and early shows at the same venue (did Phish ever do that, I don't think they did.)
It's a complex maintenance problem because you'll have maybe a half dozen shows wher it doesn't stick to the primary format...
hows this for a compromise:
2005-09-29a Howard Stern Show
KROCK Studios, New York New York
2005-09-29
Madison Square Garden New York New York
Perhaps this also calls for a "special page" that lists all of these exceptions to the rule.
Lastly, "Rock A Wiliam" is the correct spelling per Phish.com : http://www.phish.com/tmiph/index.php?year=1997&month=2
1. Rock A William
2. Anyone else on the way 2 sets on 1 date should be? I guess I like the idea of the pages being dates. If you're looking for that 2/26 interview, you type in 1997-02-26 and you get it. You don't have to know that there's an (A) or -a or whatever. I'm just saying I don't see any reason to split them up except that the details page would be arguably "clearer", but really, I think it's fine with both. In addition, soundchecks are like early sets (although at the same place), and late sets too? On NYE2K, are those considered sets or another event? I believe Phish has played an early and late show a couple times. IMO, since the pages are by date, stuff played on that date should all go on 1 page even though it was at 2 locations. Did you go look at it to see what my proposal looks like? Please do.
3. Since Phish uses Carini, and I think they've unintentionally made that the go-by name, I say we keep Carini instead of Carini Had a Lumpy Head.
Jephrey
If it's just an interview, then it should go on the main page for the date.
But, if Phish plays songs... It should go on a seperate page, imo.
soundcheck, tho should stay with the show, naturally.
I guess my point is, if the band plays in two different places on the same day, then two entries should be created with the standard name [2005-09-28] given to the standard, evening show.
Naturally each would reference the other incase someone found themselves looking at the wrong page.
How many of these do you think we're talking about? My recollection has many radio/tv performances occuring on off-nights Letterman '94 being one exception.
You might can tell that i feel pretty strongly about this. Each 'show' should have it's own page.
And I the other way, that each date should have whatever shows and songs listed under it whether it was at the same place (late set, soundcheck, tower jam for instance or a different place, radio (interview or music and interview), an early show).
You're right, we're not talking about a lot, but it'd be nice to come to an agreement. If it's how everyone wants it, I can change my tune, as I am sure you could if the majority wanted it the way that I have set forth.
We'll put it to a vote in the forums, and let the people decide!
Jephrey
BAH!
what do the people know? :wink:
Ha, looks like we do them seperately. 3 votes to 1 and I don't know if anyone is even looking at the thread...
So, what format? I like to do it by something like
1988-09-09(1)
1988-09-09(2) - for 2 shows in a day, or A/B.
1988-09-09(radio)
1988-09-09 - for an interview before a show, shows are always plain except in the case above.
I still think we should use the suffix for any show or appearance to be consistent. If the shows are always "plain" then I think the non-shows should always have a suffix. It isn't as clear if you only put the suffix when there's a show on the same day IMO. See my examples...
1988-09-09(anthem)
1988-09-09(TV)
I'll go in and adjust the 2-26 date once we button it down perfectly.
Jephrey
I think that for the 'regular show, we should use standard date format.
Make the 'other' show carry an 'A' or 'B'.
that is:
1994-12-30a Ed Sullivan Theater - New York, NY
1994-12-30 Madison Square Garden - New York, NY
this way, the primary gig for the day maintains standard format and can be easily found or linked to without error.
Also, I'd like to resubmit the idea that we develop a 'special page' that lists all of these special appearances.
I'm down for that special page. Like "Other Appearances"
I know it has happened at least once where they'll play a short show somewhere in the day and another short one at night at a different place. I suppose we can cross that bridge when/if we come to it.
Would you/anyone else be cool with coding the "other" show with something other than 'a' ? I sure liked the idea of using a better description in parens (standardizing on what they'd be, like 2 letters; RD for radio (AM or FM), NA for national anthem, TV for television, etc) or even a full (radio) or whatever.
think of the masses and what you'd do... If I was searching for a show that I knew wasn't a main show, and didn't know if there was a show that day or not, I'd search on the date itself with a wildcard or something and look through the search results. In that case, I'd see that there's a page called date(RD) and know, hey, that's a radio show, and click I'm there. Whether it's an a or an asterisk, or (A) or (NA) or whatever the suffix is really doesn't matter, so why not make it something that means more than just "this was not a full concert"?
If we're sperating them, I think the title should be more descriptive.
Thoughts?
Jephrey
well, i think it should be just ONE thing to differentiate between two shows.
if we used NA or RA, it might get a little confusing.
like rowjimmy mentioned, a seperate page of these instances should exist.
also, there are probably a TON of radio interviews that wrer conducted, that didnt include songs, that we have no idea about.
just thought i would throw that outthere.
joseph august.
did everyone else have their avatar reset?
i havnt been on the board in a day or so,
and it would have been strange if mine was reset to my oxycontin pic.
hey jedi, that story about bc and the horse was funny,
but could you please refrain from using the letter H in all of your future posts?
thanks, brother-man!! :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:
i have had no time lately, but will at least get some setlists up tonight. i am off sat sun and mon so will get alot of time in.
keeping you posted.
joseph august.
Yeah, I've been buried too. I have been trying to get time at work, but the man is catching on to my antics. If you get the setlists up on the main page, I can do the details. Oh and if I haven't already, I'll go in and fix the "-a" thingy. We're pretty close to finishing 97 so I think after we finish the setlists, we should go in and look at the year and tour pages, go over some other details and functionality, and then before going on, maybe start pages about each guy, and do some of the other things that don't have to do with the shows.
Jephrey
sounds good.
to give everyone a heads up, i picked a TON (1 metric) of tix and flyers today from my brother.
and i have EVERY schvice from the beginning, even before the actual schvice, when it was just a black and white newsletter with the tour calendar.
mad mail orders and tics from 92,93,94 along with about ten backstages that i didnt have.
all in all, a BOATLOAD! (boatloads are measured in joules, btw).
all this comes care of my brother john, who is the biggest troll around here.
he goes by the name bunkster.
if anyone gets loaded enough, drop him some haunting pm's!
peace
joseph august
:-o :-o :-o :-o
:-D :-D :-D :-D
:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
cha-ching!
nice.
jephrey,
in what format should the stubs be logged as and how should they be labeled?
joseph august
I think .png is probably the best format for web display.
thanks!
Yeah, that's what we have so far and what all the details pages are set to display. The best way to upload them is to go to the details setlist page, click on the link to the picture and it'll bring you to an upload page where you upload the picture. Make sure it's named like in the link.
Jephrey