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Title: Obama - Nobel Peace Prize
Post by: guyforget on October 09, 2009, 11:03:57 AM
Now, dont get me wrong, I was a huge Obama supporter during the election, and remain very hopeful that he will be able to accomplish much of what he set out to accomplish. 

But a Nobel Peace Prize, already?

Guantanamo = Still open
Iraq = "Time table," insurgents still killing civilians and foreign soldiers regularly
Afghanistan = Turmoil

The nominations for the prize took place only 2 weeks after he took office.  Does it add up?  Besides his Cairo speech and the G20 bit about ending nuclear proliferation, Im not sure what he's done besides not being George Bush. 

IMO, this is just more fodder for the right's "Obama is an international celebrity" campaign. 

Feels like a trap...  :|
Title: Re: Obama - Nobel Peace Prize
Post by: antelope19 on October 09, 2009, 11:05:09 AM
It's a great honor, but I would agree with you.  It came as a bit of a surprise. 
Title: Re: Obama - Nobel Peace Prize
Post by: slslbs on October 09, 2009, 11:26:25 AM
while I agree that he has helped open diplomatic avenues,
it does seem premature.
Title: Re: Obama - Nobel Peace Prize
Post by: PIE-GUY on October 09, 2009, 11:34:32 AM
He's the commander in chief over the occupation of two war zones... it's crazy.

Plus, as one friend of mine stated, "I'd feel more peaceful with universal health care."
Title: Re: Obama - Nobel Peace Prize
Post by: guyforget on October 09, 2009, 11:37:41 AM
His very quick speech / presser a few minutes ago was pretty humble and concise "I dont fee like I deserve this" and he took no questions.  Looks like the White House knows where they stand w/ this one, I think it could be a another Obama detractor to many of his critics.  He's not going to parade around about this one. 
Title: Re: Obama - Nobel Peace Prize
Post by: nab on October 09, 2009, 11:45:22 AM
Its not as if Obama nominated himself.



Still premature. 
Title: Re: Obama - Nobel Peace Prize
Post by: jonyem on October 09, 2009, 11:45:58 AM
While it's a great honor, it is pretty early.
Perhaps they're lighting a fire under his ass to get more serious about world peace.
I look forward to the Republicans embarrassing themselves on this one. They'll get some support from the base, but they'll end up looking more out of touch than they already are. (If you can believe that's possible).
Title: Re: Obama - Nobel Peace Prize
Post by: Hicks on October 09, 2009, 11:48:12 AM
Yeah I kinda had a wtf reaction when I heard about it.

I guess the competition wasn't too stiff this year. 
Title: Re: Obama - Nobel Peace Prize
Post by: guyforget on October 09, 2009, 12:03:41 PM
Its certainly positive on several levels, mainly that the international community is getting over their disdain for the USA that we had been instilling throughout the previous administration. 

But, I think that Obama has some things to get moving on if he wants to live up to the honor. 

Im not saying that I dont think that he can do it, Im just saying that maybe they could've waited until next year when more might feel like he's earned it.  (If he can put the change together that he aspires to.)
Title: Re: Obama - Nobel Peace Prize
Post by: sophist on October 09, 2009, 12:18:04 PM
Yeah I kinda had a wtf reaction when I heard about it.

I guess the competition wasn't too stiff this year.
Title: Re: Obama - Nobel Peace Prize
Post by: gah on October 09, 2009, 12:28:02 PM
Agreed, it might be a little early based on what he's done so far. But it could also serve as a, hey, we support what you're doing, and the strides you've taken to establish talks with the international community and for raising the status of the US after what GW Bush did. Now, you have the worlds respect and this great honor, lets see what you can do.

Besides, I don't think he'll let it go to his head. If anything, it will push him to work harder and make good on some of these promises he's made.
Title: Re: Obama - Nobel Peace Prize
Post by: Alumni on October 09, 2009, 12:42:29 PM
Trying to persuade/shame Obama into being more committed to global justice. That is all.

And it won't work. Obama is not the leftist the word hopes he is (foaming right-wing radio hosts notwithstanding).
Title: Re: Obama - Nobel Peace Prize
Post by: antelope19 on October 09, 2009, 12:45:42 PM
Agreed, it might be a little early based on what he's done so far. But it could also serve as a, hey, we support what you're doing, and the strides you've taken to establish talks with the international community and for raising the status of the US after what GW Bush did. Now, you have the worlds respect and this great honor, lets see what you can do.

Besides, I don't think he'll let it go to his head. If anything, it will push him to work harder and make good on some of these promises he's made.

So far?  Dude was nominated after 12 days in office!   :-)
Title: Re: Obama - Nobel Peace Prize
Post by: gah on October 09, 2009, 12:54:20 PM
Agreed, it might be a little early based on what he's done so far. But it could also serve as a, hey, we support what you're doing, and the strides you've taken to establish talks with the international community and for raising the status of the US after what GW Bush did. Now, you have the worlds respect and this great honor, lets see what you can do.

Besides, I don't think he'll let it go to his head. If anything, it will push him to work harder and make good on some of these promises he's made.

So far?  Dude was nominated after 12 days in office!   :-)

Oh yeah, wait, what's this? So he was nominated less than 2 weeks after being sworn in?

Harumph...those Nobel people have lost all credibility with me.  :roll:

All he is saying, is give peace a chance.  :-)

Honestly, I don't care right now, this is too serious a discussion for the giddiness I'm feeling with that C-ville date being for real. Back to the other thread for me!  :-D

edit: http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1929395,00.html
Title: Re: Obama - Nobel Peace Prize
Post by: rowjimmy on October 09, 2009, 02:53:30 PM
He should respectfully decline because, he's just doing his job.

Barring that, he should downplay it as much as possible in the states and recognize that it is a sign that he still has some stock overseas if he wants to get his diplomacy on.
Title: Re: Obama - Nobel Peace Prize
Post by: fauxpaxfauxreal on October 09, 2009, 02:57:52 PM
He should respectfully decline because, he's just doing his job.

Barring that, he should downplay it as much as possible in the states and recognize that it is a sign that he still has some stock overseas if he wants to get his diplomacy on.

I was going to post the same thing before you made your post.  Of course I thought that he would have done more good resigning as President moments after he was sworn in, also.
Title: Re: Obama - Nobel Peace Prize
Post by: Hicks on October 09, 2009, 03:21:48 PM
He should respectfully decline because, he's just doing his job.

Barring that, he should downplay it as much as possible in the states and recognize that it is a sign that he still has some stock overseas if he wants to get his diplomacy on.

I don't think declining, however respectfully, would be diplomatically good for the U.S.

I could see it easily interpreted as a "I don't need your stupid award" kind of vibe. 
Title: Re: Obama - Nobel Peace Prize
Post by: rowjimmy on October 09, 2009, 03:28:48 PM
He should respectfully decline because, he's just doing his job.

Barring that, he should downplay it as much as possible in the states and recognize that it is a sign that he still has some stock overseas if he wants to get his diplomacy on.

I don't think declining, however respectfully, would be diplomatically good for the U.S.

I could see it easily interpreted as a "I don't need your stupid award" kind of vibe.

You're probably right. I don't think declining is an option that he would have considered for very long...
Title: Re: Obama - Nobel Peace Prize
Post by: slslbs on October 09, 2009, 04:07:06 PM
He should respectfully decline because, he's just doing his job.

Barring that, he should downplay it as much as possible in the states and recognize that it is a sign that he still has some stock overseas if he wants to get his diplomacy on.

I don't think declining, however respectfully, would be diplomatically good for the U.S.

I could see it easily interpreted as a "I don't need your stupid award" kind of vibe.

You're probably right. I don't think declining is an option that he would have considered for very long...

I thought that his comments were appropriate
Title: Re: Obama - Nobel Peace Prize
Post by: fauxpaxfauxreal on October 09, 2009, 04:08:33 PM
He should respectfully decline because, he's just doing his job.

Barring that, he should downplay it as much as possible in the states and recognize that it is a sign that he still has some stock overseas if he wants to get his diplomacy on.

I don't think declining, however respectfully, would be diplomatically good for the U.S.

I could see it easily interpreted as a "I don't need your stupid award" kind of vibe.

You're probably right. I don't think declining is an option that he would have considered for very long...

I thought that his comments were appropriate

Appropriate, but not very Hopeful and not very inspirational. (Imo)
Title: Re: Obama - Nobel Peace Prize
Post by: Hicks on October 09, 2009, 05:04:27 PM
Comments by Fareed Zakaria, one of the few bona fide centrists left in the mainstream media, here:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/10/09/zakaria.obama.nobel/index.html
Title: Re: Obama - Nobel Peace Prize
Post by: mattstick on October 09, 2009, 05:23:18 PM

Fareed is heady.
Title: Re: Obama - Nobel Peace Prize
Post by: rowjimmy on October 09, 2009, 05:24:15 PM

Fareed is heady.

He knows what's up.
Title: Re: Obama - Nobel Peace Prize
Post by: Hicks on October 09, 2009, 05:25:45 PM
Yup, I'm a fan.
Title: Re: Obama - Nobel Peace Prize
Post by: flow00 on October 09, 2009, 05:29:34 PM
The Nobel Committee acknowledged that it was early and the decision was based on giving fuel to Obama's plans. It seems like a strange reason to give out a peace award, but whatever.
Title: Re: Obama - Nobel Peace Prize
Post by: fauxpaxfauxreal on October 09, 2009, 05:30:37 PM
The Nobel Committee acknowledged that it was early and the decision was based on giving fuel to Obama's plans. It seems like a strange reason to give out a peace award, but whatever.

Obama- Great President or Greatest President?
Title: Re: Obama - Nobel Peace Prize
Post by: slslbs on October 09, 2009, 10:20:35 PM
Interesting commentary on AC 360. FZ was one of the discussants.
The prevailing opinions were
-shock
-this is a rebuke of the policies of GWB and promoting BOs strategy (and actions) of international cooperation
-there is a different opinion of us abroad than here, that opinion has increased since January
-kudos to McCain saying this was a great day for the US
-the polarization of this country is bordering on the absurd

btw, even though the nominations were made by Feb 1, the actual voting was done last week
Title: Re: Obama - Nobel Peace Prize
Post by: fauxpaxfauxreal on October 10, 2009, 07:17:47 PM
Let's not forget that in 1973 Henry Kissinger won a Peace Prize too.
Title: Re: Obama - Nobel Peace Prize
Post by: mbw on October 10, 2009, 08:18:19 PM
Quote
Get Off Obama's Back ...second thoughts from Michael Moore

Friends,

Last night my wife asked me if I thought I was a little too hard on Obama in my letter yesterday congratulating him on his Nobel Prize. "No, I don't think so," I replied. I thought it was important to remind him he's now conducting the two wars he's inherited. "Yeah," she said, "but to tell him, 'Now earn it!'? Give the guy a break -- this is a great day for him and for all of us."

I went back and re-read what I had written. And I listened for far too long yesterday to the right wing hate machine who did what they could to crap all over Barack's big day. Did I -- and others on the left -- do the same?

We are weary, weary of war. The trillions that will have gone to these two wars have helped to bankrupt us as a nation -- financially and morally. To think of all the good we could have done with all that money! Two months of the War in Iraq would pay for all the wells that need to be dug in the Third World for drinking water! Obama is moving too slow for most of us -- but he needs to know we are with him and we stand beside him as he attempts to turn eight years of sheer madness around. Who could do that in nine months? Superman? Thor? Mitch McConnell?

Instead of waiting to see what the president is going to do, we all need to be pro-active and push the agenda that we want to see enacted. What keeps us from forming the same local groups we put together to get out the vote last November? C'mon! We're the majority now -- the majority by a significant margin! We call the shots -- and we need to tell this wimpy Congress to get busy and do what we say -- or else.

All I ask of those who voted for Obama is to not pile on him too quickly. Yes, make your voice heard (his phone number is 202-456-1414). But don't abandon the best hope we've had in our lifetime for change. And for God's sake, don't head to bummerville if he says or does something we don't like. Do you ever see Republicans behave that way? I mean, the Right had 20 years of Republican presidents and they still couldn't get prayer in the public schools, or outlaw abortion, or initiate a flat tax or put our Social Security into the stock market. They did a lot of damage, no doubt about that, but on the key issues that the Christian Right fought for, they came up nearly empty handed. No wonder they've been driven crazy lately. They'll never have it as good again as they've had it since Reagan took office.

But -- do you ever see them looking all gloomy and defeated? No! They keep on fighting! Every day. Our side? At the first sign of wavering, we just pack up our toys and go home.

So, at least for this weekend, let us celebrate what people elsewhere are celebrating -- that America now has a sane and smart man in the White House, a man who truly wants a world at peace for his two daughters.

Many, for the past couple days (yes, myself included), have grumbled, "What has he done to earn this prize?" How 'bout this:

The simple fact that he was elected was reason enough for him to be the recipient of this year's Nobel Peace Prize.

Because on that day the murderous actions of the Bush/Cheney years were totally and thoroughly rebuked. One man -- a man who opposed the War in Iraq from the beginning -- offered to end the insanity. The world has stood by in utter horror for the past eight years as they watched the descendants of Washington, Lincoln and Jefferson light the fuse of our own self-destruction. We flipped off the nations on this planet by abandoning Kyoto and then proceeded to melt eight more years worth of the polar ice caps. We invaded two nations that didn't attack us, failed to find the real terrorists and, in effect, ignited our own wave of terror. People all over the world wondered if we had gone mad.

And if all that wasn't enough, the outgoing Joker presided over the worst global financial collapse since the Great Depression.

So, yeah, at precisely 11:00pm ET on November 4, 2008, Barack Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize. And the 66 million people who voted for him won it, too. By the time he took the stage at midnight ET in the Grant Park Historic Hippie Battlefield in downtown Chicago, billions of people around the globe were already breathing a huge sigh of relief. It was as if, in that instant, one man did bring the promise of peace to the world -- and most were ready to go wherever he wanted to go to achieve that end. Never before had the election of one man made every other nation feel like they had won, too. When you've got billions of people ready, willing and able to join a cause like this, well, a prize in Oslo is the least that you deserve.

One other thought. The Peace Prize historically has been given to those who have worked to throw off the yoke of racial discrimination and segregation (Martin Luther King, Jr., Desmond Tutu). I think the Nobel committee, in awarding Obama the prize, was also rewarding the fact that something profound had happened in a nation that was founded on racial genocide, built on racist slavery, and held back for a hundred-plus years by vestiges of hateful bigotry (which can still be found on display at teabagger rallies and daily talk radio). The fact that this one man could cause this seismic historical event to occur -- and to do so with such grace and humility, never succumbing to the bait, but still not backing down (yes, he asked to be sworn in as "Barack Hussein Obama"!) -- is more than reason enough he should be in Oslo to meet the King on December 10. Maybe he could take us along with him. 'Cause I also suspect the Nobel committee was tipping its hat to all of us -- we, the American people, had conquered some of our racism and did the truly unexpected. After seeing searing images of our black fellow citizens left to drown in New Orleans -- and poor whites seeing their own treated no better than the black man they had been raised to hate -- we had all seen enough. It was time for change.

Thank you, Barack Obama, for giving us the opportunity to redeem ourselves. Now for the tasks ahead. We need you to do all that you promised to do. We need it. The world needs it.

My prediction for the future? You become the first *two-time* winner of the Nobel Peace Prize! Yeah!

Fred (that's Norwegian for "Peace"),
Michael Moore
Title: Re: Obama - Nobel Peace Prize
Post by: fauxpaxfauxreal on October 10, 2009, 08:23:54 PM
I think Barack and all of us would have deserved the Peace prize, if Bush had been a one term president, is what I think.
Title: Re: Obama - Nobel Peace Prize
Post by: rowjimmy on October 12, 2009, 09:02:37 AM
He should respectfully decline because, he's just doing his job.

Barring that, he should downplay it as much as possible in the states and recognize that it is a sign that he still has some stock overseas if he wants to get his diplomacy on.

I posted this from the hip without much thought.
Upon further reflection, I disagree with this post.

He has responded correctly to this and it has been awarded as an encouragement to achieve so much more in this world.
Title: Re: Obama - Nobel Peace Prize
Post by: mehead on October 12, 2009, 09:05:16 AM
I do like the fact that he is giving the cabbage to charity..kudos
Title: Re: Obama - Nobel Peace Prize
Post by: fauxpaxfauxreal on October 12, 2009, 11:26:58 PM
I do like the fact that he is giving the cabbage to charity..kudos

To do otherwise would have been totally uncool.
Title: Re: Obama - Nobel Peace Prize
Post by: antelope19 on October 21, 2009, 01:38:57 PM
A joke forwarded to me today from a very conservative friend:

Quote
John was in the fertilized egg business in Alabama.  He had several hundred young layers (hens), called 'pullets,' and ten roosters to fertilize the eggs.  He kept records, and any rooster not performing went into the soup pot and was replaced.

This took a lot of time, so he bought some tiny bells and attached them to his roosters.  Each bell had a different tone, so he could tell from a distance, which rooster was performing.  Now, he could sit on the porch and fill out an efficiency report by just listening to the bells.

John's favorite rooster, Ol' Bama, was a very fine specimen, but one morning he noticed that Ol' Bama's bell hadn't rung at all!

When he went to investigate, he saw the other roosters were busy chasing pullets, bells-a-ringing, but the pullets, hearing the roosters coming, could run for cover.  To John's amazement, Ol' Bama had his bell in his beak, so it couldn't ring.

He'd sneak up on a pullet, do his job and walk on to the next one.

John was so proud of Ol' Bama, he entered him in the Renfrew County Fair and he became an overnight sensation among the judges.  The result was the judges not only awarded Ol' Bama the No Bell Piece Prize but they also awarded him the Pullet Surprise as well.

Clearly Ol' Bama was a politician in the making. Who else but a politician could figure out how to win two of the most highly coveted awards on our planet by being the best at sneaking up on the populace and screwing them when they weren't paying attention.
Title: Re: Obama - Nobel Peace Prize
Post by: sophist on October 21, 2009, 06:34:57 PM
::crickets::


Title: Re: Obama - Nobel Peace Prize
Post by: kellerb on October 21, 2009, 07:26:08 PM
That would be a pretty good joke.  All it's missing is being funny
Title: Re: Obama - Nobel Peace Prize
Post by: gah on October 21, 2009, 09:30:42 PM
::crickets::

::tumbleweed rolls by::
Title: Re: Obama - Nobel Peace Prize
Post by: antelope19 on October 22, 2009, 10:54:43 AM
 :lol:

That's exactly the response I was expecting.  And yes, not very funny.   
Title: Re: Obama - Nobel Peace Prize
Post by: Hicks on October 22, 2009, 10:59:21 AM
conservatives, lol.
Title: Re: Obama - Nobel Peace Prize
Post by: antelope19 on October 22, 2009, 11:01:40 AM
conservatives, lol.

 :lol:
Title: Re: Obama - Nobel Peace Prize
Post by: fauxpaxfauxreal on October 22, 2009, 06:42:29 PM
Puns-the lowest form of humor.
Title: Re: Obama - Nobel Peace Prize
Post by: gah on December 10, 2009, 10:05:12 AM
Obama accepted the Nobel earlier, below is the transcript of his acceptance speech, and a short excerpt from the beginning. I think he did a good job, and spoke thoughtfully concerning war and peace and his role as POTUS.

Full Speech transcript:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/12/10/obama.transcript/index.html


Quote
I receive this honor with deep gratitude and great humility. It is an award that speaks to our highest aspirations -- that for all the cruelty and hardship of our world, we are not mere prisoners of fate. Our actions matter, and can bend history in the direction of justice.

And yet I would be remiss if I did not acknowledge the considerable controversy that your generous decision has generated. In part, this is because I am at the beginning, and not the end, of my labors on the world stage. Compared to some of the giants of history who have received this prize -- Schweitzer and King; Marshall and Mandela -- my accomplishments are slight. And then there are the men and women around the world who have been jailed and beaten in the pursuit of justice; those who toil in humanitarian organizations to relieve suffering; the unrecognized millions whose quiet acts of courage and compassion inspire even the most hardened of cynics. I cannot argue with those who find these men and women -- some known, some obscure to all but those they help -- to be far more deserving of this honor than I.
Title: Re: Obama - Nobel Peace Prize
Post by: susep on December 10, 2009, 09:41:03 PM
I too was swept away by the cult of Obama but now that he's in as President I'm not so sure I trust him or his Admin. esp. the super sketchy Timothy F. Geithner.  This is all a charade imm. 
Title: Re: Obama - Nobel Peace Prize
Post by: slslbs on December 10, 2009, 10:53:05 PM
contrary to popular opinion prior to the election, Obama is human. The country was in a pretty shitty state as of Jan 19, 2009 and it will take us a while to get out of it. I certainly don't agree with everything he's done. Part of the problem is Congress.
I do think that he's approaching everything in a thoughtful manner, and I agree with his basic world view. Unfortunately, the world is a nasty place.

Agree with you about Geitner. I believe he's a smart guy, but it seems as if he may be more than a little too close to the high finance guys on Wall Street (just like the past several Sec of Treasury)
Title: Re: Obama - Nobel Peace Prize
Post by: susep on December 11, 2009, 08:43:27 AM


Agree with you about Geitner. I believe he's a smart guy, but it seems as if he may be more than a little too close to the high finance guys on Wall Street (just like the past several Sec of Treasury)

exactly, and frankly w/ Geitner being so close to the Federal Reserve Bank and his rhetoric about wanting to set up a new global currency, my position on Obama is that because he's such a charismatic fellow and practically the whole world kneels to his every word, he's the perfect frontman for the global banking cartel.
Title: Re: Obama - Nobel Peace Prize
Post by: Hicks on December 11, 2009, 11:32:36 AM
It is indeed pretty disappointing that the new administration thus far has put the interests of mega-banks and Wall Street ahead of those of the general populace.
Title: Re: Obama - Nobel Peace Prize
Post by: guyforget on December 11, 2009, 11:42:18 AM
I expected a certain amount of "Politics as usual" after he took office, its impossible to completely change the culture of Washington by simple electing a progressive president. 

But I think that Geitner as well as the Health Care FAIL have both exceeded my expectations of "politics as usual." 

Health care in particular, because its the Democratic congress that is FUCKING this up.  In doing so, Im pretty confident that theyre squandering their majority and will not enjoy the same exclusivity after the 2010 congressional elections. 

Nelson, Lincoln, and Leiberman are a pox on the democrat's progressive movement and they are effectively sabotaging the chance of the Dems keeping such a large majority in the congress in 2010. 

I cant believe that we were so close to electing Leiberman as a Democrat Vice President, with a Pres. form Mass. who probably would have tried to enact some sort of health insurance reform due to his relationship w/ Ted Kennedy.  Now Lieberman is one of the key players in watering this down to "reform" in name only. 
Title: Re: Obama - Nobel Peace Prize
Post by: Hicks on December 11, 2009, 11:58:53 AM

Nelson, Lincoln, and Leiberman are a pox on the democrat's progressive movement and they are effectively sabotaging the chance of the Dems keeping such a large majority in the congress in 2010. 
 

Dont forget that sell out Bauccus.
Title: Re: Obama - Nobel Peace Prize
Post by: guyforget on December 11, 2009, 12:02:29 PM

Nelson, Lincoln, and Leiberman are a pox on the democrat's progressive movement and they are effectively sabotaging the chance of the Dems keeping such a large majority in the congress in 2010. 
 

Dont forget that sell out Bauccus.

You know, though, he did come around on the Public Option if/when he thought it could get the votes.  So he didnt exactly endorse it, but he didnt try to flat-out kill it like these other dbags.  Dbags whose states support the Public Option, yet they continue to vote with only their lobbyists in mind. 

Title: Re: Obama - Nobel Peace Prize
Post by: Hicks on December 11, 2009, 12:09:31 PM

Nelson, Lincoln, and Leiberman are a pox on the democrat's progressive movement and they are effectively sabotaging the chance of the Dems keeping such a large majority in the congress in 2010. 
 

Dont forget that sell out Bauccus.

You know, though, he did come around on the Public Option if/when he thought it could get the votes.  So he didnt exactly endorse it, but he didnt try to flat-out kill it like these other dbags.  Dbags whose states support the Public Option, yet they continue to vote with only their lobbyists in mind.

I suppose, but you have to think that stronger support from the committee chair would have helped get a few more votes.   
Title: Re: Obama - Nobel Peace Prize
Post by: guyforget on December 11, 2009, 12:16:11 PM
Totally.  And his "coming around" might have just been window dressing for the progressives out here who were all over him during the finance committee, but at least he did publicly endorse it "if it could get the votes to pass."  If Nelson, Lincoln, and Lieberman would have come around, I think we could have counted on Bauccus's vote in favor of the bill.  Bauccus was trying to play both sides, basically. 

Title: Re: Obama - Nobel Peace Prize
Post by: Hicks on December 11, 2009, 12:46:18 PM
Totally.  And his "coming around" might have just been window dressing for the progressives out here who were all over him during the finance committee, but at least he did publicly endorse it "if it could get the votes to pass."  If Nelson, Lincoln, and Lieberman would have come around, I think we could have counted on Bauccus's vote in favor of the bill.  Bauccus was trying to play both sides, basically.

Right, that makes him a slimeball in my book.
Title: Re: Obama - Nobel Peace Prize
Post by: guyforget on December 11, 2009, 01:12:02 PM
Totally.  And his "coming around" might have just been window dressing for the progressives out here who were all over him during the finance committee, but at least he did publicly endorse it "if it could get the votes to pass."  If Nelson, Lincoln, and Lieberman would have come around, I think we could have counted on Bauccus's vote in favor of the bill.  Bauccus was trying to play both sides, basically.

Right, that makes him a slimeball in my book Politician.

fyp, homie
Title: Re: Obama - Nobel Peace Prize
Post by: nab on December 11, 2009, 01:22:38 PM

Nelson, Lincoln, and Leiberman are a pox on the democrat's progressive movement and they are effectively sabotaging the chance of the Dems keeping such a large majority in the congress in 2010. 
 

Dont forget that sell out Bauccus.


I will be doing my best to fix this situation when he comes up for election next time.  I have been trying to vote against him for the last two election cycles, but the Dems offer weak resistance in the primaries and the Rep opponents in the generals have been absolute jokes the last two cycles. 

For example, the last Rep opposition for the seat was an 80 yo man who believes in a parliamentary style government with a unicameral structure.  How do you vote for a guy like that?

Baccus needs to go.  His local office is right across the street from my house.  There have been many rallies there over the last couple of months, from both sides of the debate.

I believe that if they put up anyone with any clout from either side, Baccus' days are limited. 
Title: Re: Obama - Nobel Peace Prize
Post by: Hicks on December 11, 2009, 01:39:05 PM

Nelson, Lincoln, and Leiberman are a pox on the democrat's progressive movement and they are effectively sabotaging the chance of the Dems keeping such a large majority in the congress in 2010. 
 

Dont forget that sell out Bauccus.


For example, the last Rep opposition for the seat was an 80 yo man who believes in a parliamentary style government with a unicameral structure.  How do you vote for a guy like that?



Wow, that dude does indeed sound like a joke, and not a very funny one at that.
Title: Re: Obama - Nobel Peace Prize
Post by: fauxpaxfauxreal on December 11, 2009, 02:44:44 PM


Agree with you about Geitner. I believe he's a smart guy, but it seems as if he may be more than a little too close to the high finance guys on Wall Street (just like the past several Sec of Treasury)

exactly, and frankly w/ Geitner being so close to the Federal Reserve Bank and his rhetoric about wanting to set up a new global currency, my position on Obama is that because he's such a charismatic fellow and practically the whole world kneels to his every word, he's the perfect frontman for the global banking cartel.

I said the same thing about him pre-election.

I think it is kind of funny, because my view on him before the cult of obama started was that the Clintons placed him in such a position of prominance to steal votes away from Edwards during the Democratic primaries.  I think they mistakenly thought that the Democrats would pick a Woman as their candidate before they picked a Black man (with the middle name Hussein).  Since Bill and Hill placed Obama in such a position, he totally owed his position to them and their part of the political machine, placing Clintonians in all advisory positions and giving Hill the all important job of Secretary of State (a position which is traditionally more powerful than the Vice Presidency).  I think it is funny that some of the Hillary haterz voted for Obama as an anti- Hillary vote, when their policies are virtually identical.

Of course I expressed a lot of these concerns pre-election, and democrats view during the election cycle was a cryptically Bush-like "You are either for us or you are against us".
Title: Re: Obama - Nobel Peace Prize
Post by: susep on December 13, 2009, 10:55:08 AM
this vid puts a different spin on Obama if you have some time to kill today:
http://www.youtube.com/v/eAaQNACwaLw&hl=en_US&fs=1&
Title: Re: Obama - Nobel Peace Prize
Post by: fauxpaxfauxreal on December 13, 2009, 10:57:30 AM
I've seen this movie, and it is so atrocious it's laughable.  The only thing that it made me think is that the filmaker dude is a complete dumbass and that Barack Obama is the fucking man and that I want seven trillion dollars for free.

That guy totally fail'd.
Title: Re: Obama - Nobel Peace Prize
Post by: slslbs on December 13, 2009, 09:52:53 PM
I expected a certain amount of "Politics as usual" after he took office, its impossible to completely change the culture of Washington by simple electing a progressive president. 
exactly. He can't change the BS that happens in Congress - special interests, no on looking past the next election, the worsening partisan politics, etc. The Pres can have some effect on that, but unfortunately there is so much taking advantage of fear that it is hard to get things done.

on the subject of the banking industry, at least the House just passed a reform measure. Not one Rebublican voted for it, about 100 or so lobbyists met with them last week.

the health care bill, if and when it will be passed, will be the typical Washington sausage. The Dems aren't the only ones to blame - yes they caved to special interests and deserve some blame, but the GOP just folded there arms and wouldn't help to come up with something useful.
The entire Congress had an oppurtunity to do something good and f**d it up. I blame ALL of them.
Title: Re: Obama - Nobel Peace Prize
Post by: Buffalo Budd on February 03, 2016, 11:44:28 AM
Wasn't really sure where else to put this but just when I thought the world couldn't get any more bonkers, someone nominated Trump for a Nobel...

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-pope-francis-among-2016-nobel-peace-prize-candidates/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-pope-francis-among-2016-nobel-peace-prize-candidates/)
Title: Re: Obama - Nobel Peace Prize
Post by: runawayjimbo on February 03, 2016, 01:07:32 PM
#missfaux
Title: Re: Obama - Nobel Peace Prize
Post by: slslbs on February 03, 2016, 01:53:44 PM
this is one fucked up world