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Title: R1/W05: 07-25-1999 Deer Creek Music Center, Noblesville, IN
Post by: jedifunk on June 12, 2006, 09:31:24 AM
hey all;

just to get your week off on the wrong foot... my show choice will be delayed a bit.  i was a wee bit too drunk and stoned last night to attempt with any patience to upload my choice to sendspace or BT.  i'll be home at noon CST and will do it then!

i'd also like to take a moment to say how awesome this idea is and that we've embraced it so well.  the 4 shows we've listened to so far have been widely varied in year, setlist, playing, style, vibe... its a great testament to phish's abilities...

thanks again, and i'll have it up a little later.
------------------

ok, here it is... kinda.

my pick is.................... 7/25/99 Deer Creek. the infamous "gcrew set"....

now i picked this for several reason...
a) this show kicks ass
b) since i seemed to be known as a 1999 lobbyist, i figured i'd appease you all with a 99 pick.
c) i "rediscovered" this set a while back, and its been in serious rotation, and is climbing up my fav list.
d) it has the "gcrew set"... for those looking for the story to this see this thread:
http://week4paug.net/index.php/topic,2530.0.html

anyhoo, here is the bt link
http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=26142

here's the sendspace link (one file for the entire show).
http://www.sendspace.com/file/iu86cz
- i also combined mfmf->mlt->whipping post, and makisupa->bday jam

enjoy.... and discuss
Title: Re: Week 5: Coming Soon (Noon CST)
Post by: fauxpaxfauxreal on June 12, 2006, 11:09:36 AM
Consider yourself smote! 

 :samurai: :samurai: :samurai: :samurai: :samurai: :samurai: :samurai: :samurai: :samurai:


<j/k> I can't wait to see your pick!
Title: Re: Week 5: Coming Soon (Noon CST)
Post by: Alumni on June 12, 2006, 11:18:43 AM
i'd also like to take a moment to say how awesome this idea is and that we've embraced it so well.  the 4 shows we've listened to so far have been widely varied in year, setlist, playing, style, vibe... its a great testament to phish's abilities...

Yup. I'm looking forward to getting started w/ week 5. Better late than never.

So the point, I gather, is to nominate a cool show that, in your/mine/anyone's humble judgment, is still a bit underexposed?

I mean, I love UNH 93, 12.7.97, and set 2 of 12.14.95 still gets me every time, but there doesn't seem to be much point in nominating an official release . . .
Title: Re: Week 5: Coming Soon (Noon CST)
Post by: jedifunk on June 12, 2006, 11:24:23 AM
no, i dont think there are any rules here as to what show you can choose... it just seems that thus far all the chosen shows were lesser known, or under the radar in some way...

and perhaps some dont agree with that... some may say that 12/9/97 isnt under the radar cuz its from fall 97, others have never heard it...

although i have a sinking feeling that my pick will NOT be from the under the radar category... but perhaps from the, "i havent heard this in a while, and my god is it SICK" category... ;)
Title: Re: Week 5: Coming Soon (Noon CST)
Post by: jonyem on June 12, 2006, 11:26:59 AM
although i have a sinking feeling that my pick will NOT be from the under the radar category... but perhaps from the, "i havent heard this in a while, and my god is it SICK" category... ;)

Oh, I'm sure it will be, looking forward to your pick.
Title: Re: Week 5: Coming Soon (Noon CST)
Post by: fauxpaxfauxreal on June 12, 2006, 11:34:08 AM
OK THAT'S IT GUYS.

I MEAN IT THIS TIME.

WHO JUST SMOTE ME?!?!?


 :samurai: :samurai: :samurai: :samurai: :samurai: :samurai: :samurai: :samurai: :samurai: :samurai:
Title: Re: Week 5: Coming Soon (Noon CST)
Post by: jedifunk on June 12, 2006, 11:39:09 AM
wow, 2 smites!  last time i looked you were at 20... this is kinda lame... smiting for no reason...
Title: Re: Week 5: Coming Soon (Noon CST)
Post by: fauxpaxfauxreal on June 12, 2006, 11:42:22 AM
wow, 2 smites!  last time i looked you were at 20... this is kinda lame... smiting for no reason...

It happens daily!  I'm telling you!
Title: Re: Week 5: 7/25/99 Deer Creek, Noblesville, IN
Post by: August on June 12, 2006, 01:42:12 PM
i love this show!
the whipping post is SICK!
i made a copy of this for a friend about two months back and realized that my YEM was
mangled, so now ican grab that too!
cant wait to relisten to this one!]
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Title: Re: Week 5: 7/25/99 Deer Creek, Noblesville, IN
Post by: jedifunk on June 12, 2006, 01:44:02 PM
:-D
Title: Re: Week 5: 7/25/99 Deer Creek, Noblesville, IN
Post by: sophist on June 12, 2006, 01:45:17 PM
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'll grab it when I get home!!!!!!!!!!!

good one jedi  :-)
Title: Re: Week 5: 7/25/99 Deer Creek, Noblesville, IN
Post by: sirtubepiper on June 12, 2006, 02:06:00 PM
yay, thanks for seeding it. 7/26 was the last night of summer 99 right?
Title: Re: Week 5: 7/25/99 Deer Creek, Noblesville, IN
Post by: jedifunk on June 12, 2006, 04:27:58 PM
sorry for the delays on the mp3 version... sendspace is being weird, and i cant seem to get it uploaded.  i'll try again when i get home from work.
Title: Re: Week 5: 7/25/99 Deer Creek, Noblesville, IN
Post by: jedifunk on June 12, 2006, 05:14:10 PM
alright, it finally uploaded correctly!

its at the top, but here it is again, the sendspace link
http://www.sendspace.com/file/iu86cz

enjoy
Title: Re: Week 5: 7/25/99 Deer Creek, Noblesville, IN
Post by: VA $l!m on June 12, 2006, 07:12:16 PM
thanks  8-), not sure i've heard this one.
Title: Re: Week 5: 7/25/99 Deer Creek, Noblesville, IN
Post by: flow00 on June 12, 2006, 07:47:06 PM
If I remember correctly, this was the first night of on-site camping?? Or maybe that was 98. Can't remember, but this show brings back some wicked memories. It involved licking a puddle of liquid from a stranger's hand and feeling completely spun by the time Mike started belching out Meat. The rest was a mind-blowing blur. I didn't quite wake up until Fishman started singing Purple Rain. Summer 99 really showcased a whole different sound, and this one is no exception. But anyway, more later when I listen to the show again. Nice pick, jedifunk.
Title: Re: Week 5: 7/25/99 Deer Creek, Noblesville, IN
Post by: cleech74 on June 12, 2006, 07:55:04 PM
I had a BBQ/house party a few weeks after this show.  A girlfriend of a friend shows up with this show.  I was floored.  It is still one of my favs. Good pick!  :-D :phish:

They are so on during Whipping Post, that it's not even funny.  :-)
Title: Re: Week 5: 7/25/99 Deer Creek, Noblesville, IN
Post by: VA $l!m on June 12, 2006, 08:17:09 PM
If I remember correctly, this was the first night of on-site camping?? Or maybe that was 98. Can't remember, but this show brings back some wicked memories. It involved licking a puddle of liquid from a stranger's hand and feeling completely spun by the time Mike started belching out Meat. The rest was a mind-blowing blur. I didn't quite wake up until Fishman started singing Purple Rain. Summer 99 really showcased a whole different sound, and this one is no exception. But anyway, more later when I listen to the show again. Nice pick, jedifunk.

on site camping?
do you mean literally in the lot?-- or the satelite campgrounds?
never knew the allowed actually camping in the lot... up to 98 at least, it was still a red and blue flashing lights--get the hell outta the lot fest.
Title: Re: Week 5: 7/25/99 Deer Creek, Noblesville, IN
Post by: August on June 12, 2006, 08:40:47 PM
i camped int he official DC lot in 98.
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Title: Re: Week 5: 7/25/99 Deer Creek, Noblesville, IN
Post by: jedifunk on June 12, 2006, 09:12:08 PM
yup, official campgrounds started in 98.
Title: Re: Week 5: 7/25/99 Deer Creek, Noblesville, IN
Post by: xanadux3 on June 12, 2006, 10:28:27 PM
if i'm not mistaken during purple rain fishman forgets the words but says its okay because he just wanted an excuse to play his vaccum

I did on site camping summer 03 and 04 but in 2000 I camped a little spot called Dead Creek. I was an awesome little camp site and one of the nights umphreys Mcgee played it was a rockin time...only prob was it was a long walk to the lot
Title: Re: Week 5: 7/25/99 Deer Creek, Noblesville, IN
Post by: flow00 on June 12, 2006, 10:54:26 PM
It wasn't actually "on-site," but it was an "official" site in an open field near corn fields (like the rest of Noblesville). Tons of camping space, and a brief walk to the lots. Those were the days. In past year you had to stay at a random campsite that sometimes required a bug-eyed walk along the road for a while.  The official site was cool because it was large and free of police and whatnot.
 
Title: Re: Week 5: 7/25/99 Deer Creek, Noblesville, IN
Post by: susep on June 13, 2006, 12:25:49 AM
(partial review)

An early My Friend>I like this tune in that the beginning/intro chord series sounds optimistic, friendly.  But he's got a knive so the mood gets darker>
My Left Toe>comes careening in, Mike pulsing.  Jam sounds very full, collective right away.  Trey is playing w/ his signature "ambient sonic" style that defined Summer '99.  Jam is swinging>out of the Summer '99 MLT's this one's tempo is faster, giving these guys a chance to experiment more w/the songs structure.  Around 6:30 the jam  transcends>Trey chording in A(the key of MLT, setting up the> into
Post>I heard back in the day Fish sang lead>HYHU.  Trey sounding inspired vocally.  Nice Page first solo>B3 action>Trey chordig nicely adding sonic tones>Trey, Mike and Page solo together after verse>the debate on the other thread about Trey playing outside the box is best exemplified here>although the signals are blues Trey morphs.  Strong finish.
Boogie On>near 6:15 Fish's riff turns the jam away from standard Boogie>the jam grows differently each cycle but the Boogie ID remains>Trey flourishes near the end.
BOAF>jam is h/e exp right out of the gate>I love how they effortlessly mutate in and out of tonalities>7:25 MLT tease by Mike>Mike is playing a tasty bassline>great playing by all>another in/out of Birds mutation, its as if what Phish learned w/ Stash's tension/release cycles applied to other, fast open ended(potentially unfinished) jam tunes(remember the Timber from 9Dec.97?, same thing).  Jam settles a bit and ambient sonic Trey returns>personally I love this sound.  Another cool mini-jam evolves before Trey takes the reins before the>
Suzy>I've always liked this Suzy in that its intense but in a laid back kind of way>Page on the ivories, Mike funking it up, Trey playing simple rythym(over a loop) and Fish utilizing a lot of cymbal, always a +.  Brief stop before lyrics.
LC>great way to end an epic outing :beers:

Conclussion:  Great show.  The opening Friend>MLT>Post was well played and sustained the energy of the entire show.  The jam around 6:30 of Toe led the way.  Many good shows on this tour again the improv at this show a summation.  Good pick Funk :-D

Grade: A- 








 
Title: Re: Week 5: 7/25/99 Deer Creek, Noblesville, IN
Post by: Alumni on June 13, 2006, 01:47:23 PM
It may not be under the radar - I know I've heard *about* the show. But until now, I've never listened to it. So instead of reviewing based on memory (and one more listen), I'll ignore the setlist, put the files in order, let 'em play, and just jot down some thoughts as they come.

Set I:
MEAT - I dunno. I kind of think this works better live than, say, blasting in the car. But if you're going to get it, it might as well be as an opener, followed immediately afterwards by something, well, 'meatier'.

MFMF - And there it is: nice! Right away, this sounds crisp. This is gonna be an enjoyable set / show to hear :)
 Opening well played . . . transition's a bit clunky, but no biggie. Nice crescendo. What is that effect called -- the one that's a little like a 737 revving its engines before takeoff? I like :) A little bit of ambient noodling coming out of MFMF. Hmmm. Seems a bit early for this. Wonder what's up?

> MLT - D'oh! That's what it is. I need to listen to recent-ish shows more often. Seems nice enough, if unremarkable. 6:45 mark, and now it's getting a little more assertive

> WHIPPING POST - NICE! Oh lord I feel like this set's getting interesting . . . This is really good. Phish's best cover of it? I never caught this song, I couldn't say. Trey is ON right now. Wow. That was a show-closing version right there, only halfway into the first set.

MAKISUPA - I Needed something lighter right now; perfect placement for me. Trey empties his drawer of keywords - heheh. Cool birthday bit for CK. They're clearly havin' a good time out there. A fun version, though maybe not as musically interesting as some . . .

ISIA - Oof! Like a sharp kick to the gut, just as the set was seeming too good to be true. Normally, I'd be all over the FF button. Maybe this one's special. I let it keep going. Nope. Back on the positive side, this seemed shorter than usual.

BOOGIE - Here's where my tastes diverge from others. I'm not usually excited to hear this one. But this is a fine version. Much better than average, imo. Mike's doing a fine job carrying this along. Around 7:45, it starts picking up. 9:00, I have to admit, this is really growing on me. But it doesn't last long. Back into the main theme at 10:15, and fade away soon after. I'm sure I'll listen to this one again.

CAVERN - I guess it *is* that time. Extra verse? Not tonight.     

Overall impressions, half an hour in, I thought this was headed to the stratosphere. Although it didn't sustain - for me - this has to be one of the better first sets I've heard lately. And a nice recording taboot.

Set II later . . .
Title: Re: Week 5: 7/25/99 Deer Creek, Noblesville, IN
Post by: Alumni on June 13, 2006, 04:56:35 PM
Set II:
BOAF - Trey repeating this really catchy hook at around 10:30. Quiets down a bit, and around 12:00 I swear I hear Trey briefly quoting from the 11.29.98 Simple jam (which sticks out, 'cause I really enjoyed it). 15:30, kind of trippy. 19:15, Something concrete is starting to materialize, and it's

WALK AWAY - Cool. Always nice to hear this one. I was slow to warm to BOAF, and I've never completely warmed to it. But that might be because I wasn't introduced to it by versions like the one a few minutes ago. Walk Away is fun, if a little sloppy. Wondering if there'll be a segue out of it . . . not really, but out of the 'noise' at the end, I can almost recognize a couple notes by Trey. Roses? No, it's

ANTELOPE - Woohoo! I'm really glad right now that I didn't cheat and look at the setlist in advance. That was a nice surprise. Sometimes I have a hard time getting into Antelopes if the recording is below par, but that's definitely no problem here. I'm enjoying Trey's patience developing this one. I'm sure it will rage, but they're not rushing it. 7:20, here we go. I've minimized my MSword window, and its all Phish. Productivity can wait :) Around 9:00, the Pre-marco groove sets in nicely. I'm starting to wonder if this is a record-long pre-Marco groove - Except that it isn't. Another gear explodes around 12:15. Pre-Marco (for real?) at 13:30. Yes, it is. Wow. I've head some butchered Antelopes in my later shows, but this ain't one of them. Very nice :)

SUZY - Yes, keep that energy up! Is it me, or does everyone seem half a step slow on this Suzy? 1:30, Page's 1st solo, and no piano. Sounds like they're going to stretch this one . . . 3:15, and now with the loop, there's no doubt about it. 5:00ish, very mellow and jazzy stuff from Page. My favorite "new" Suzy might still be Darien, 2000, but this is really good stuff.

PURPLE RAIN - So bad, it's great. Just listen to it :)

YEM - Purple rain was cute, but it's definitely time for something "real" again. YEM works. This one goes straight from normal tramps jam to bass outro jam (which, don't get me wrong, is simply great). 13:30, and I'm starting to collect my thoughts to say something, when the vocal jam starts(!) I'd give it an incomplete, but it wasn't unfinished. I dunno what to think about this. It was great while it lasted, but *really* short. Barely a vocal jam, and no Trey :( Long delay afterwards . . . must be encore break

LOVING CUP - Nice choice. Would have been a shame to see the set fizzle out with an a capella song or a bouncin'. LC falters a little bit early on, but is absolutely *triumphant* by 4:30. 

Overall impressions: Excellent 2nd set, and a very nice show. Kind of left me cold at a couple times, though I'm sure the YEM won't hit me as hard next time, when I know what's coming (and what isn't). Glad to add it to the collection - thanks, Jedi  :beers:
Title: Re: Week 5: 7/25/99 Deer Creek, Noblesville, IN
Post by: VA $l!m on June 13, 2006, 05:49:28 PM
i camped int he official DC lot in 98.
a


OK mFERS
"oFFICIAL" WHAT THE F YOU WANT TO CALL IT...
not like you parked in the main lot and set up shop over night, right?
no way... i got ran out of the lot by cops both nights.

BTW. i lost the ZIP file i DLed of this show, damnit.
Title: Re: Week 5: 7/25/99 Deer Creek, Noblesville, IN
Post by: fauxpaxfauxreal on June 13, 2006, 06:03:56 PM
i camped int he official DC lot in 98.
a


OK mFERS
"oFFICIAL" WHAT THE F YOU WANT TO CALL IT...
not like you parked in the main lot and set up shop over night, right?
no way... i got ran out of the lot by cops both nights.

BTW. i lost the ZIP file i DLed of this show, damnit.

Yes, but onsite camping is connected to the Venue by walking.    It was LITERALLY "ONSITE".  It was not "PARKING LOT" camping.  It was referred to by Deer Creek as "onsite camping".  And at 15 dollars for three nights in 2000, I LOVED the onsite campground. (The police presence their was pretty shitty).  Any time you are encouraged to shower with random females is alright by me!
Title: Re: Week 5: 7/25/99 Deer Creek, Noblesville, IN
Post by: jedifunk on June 13, 2006, 09:07:41 PM
faux, your down to 17 karma now!  your going the wrong way, this isnt golf ;)
Title: Re: Week 5: 7/25/99 Deer Creek, Noblesville, IN
Post by: fauxpaxfauxreal on June 13, 2006, 09:24:18 PM
faux, your down to 17 karma now!  your going the wrong way, this isnt golf ;)

It's not my fault if people are jealous that I got a random naked girl to sponge my back the morning of 7-11!
Title: Re: Week 5: 7/25/99 Deer Creek, Noblesville, IN
Post by: slslbs on June 14, 2006, 10:45:50 PM
Watching the hockey game, polishing up the 2nd set. Great show :-)
Meat-decent start, fun song
MFMF - nice, great transition
MLT - 1st time I heard this - dug it
Whipping Post - another great transition. great jam - they clearly stuck to their own style and didn't try to be ABB, which made it work. IMO Trey's vocals were lacking, didn't have the grit that Gregg A has.
MP - good one
Happy BD -how many bands would have done this for their sound director? How many bands would have phans who know who the sound guy is?
ISIA - not bad
Boogie on - strong as usual. Cactus!
Cavern - ready for set 2

Set 2
BOAF - awesome! trippy, exploratory jams. top version
Walk Away -every segue here has been smooth. I like this a lot better than the 93-4 versions that sounded a bit more contrived/abupt
Antelope - another top version. Lots of gear shifts in the middle section
Suzie - PAGE, great solo, nice Stevie quote (sir duke). Take that, page haters
HYHU, Purple rain - Does the Fishman tune make a great show or ruin the flow :| I'd go with this one. It's not a cliche like the earlier years, and then Fish pours his heart out  :-P
YEM-some Trey flubs in the beginning, nice nirvanah section, but i agree the jam is too short. gotta love Mike. With all the great versions of other tunes here, this is a surprise that it's just OK
Loving cup - nice way to end it.

Overall, great show. Thanks Jedi!
A
Title: Re: Week 5: 7/25/99 Deer Creek, Noblesville, IN
Post by: Alumni on June 14, 2006, 10:57:31 PM
Whipping Post - another great transition. great jam - they clearly stuck to their own style and didn't try to be ABB, which made it work. IMO Trey's vocals were lacking, didn't have the grit that Gregg A has.

I agree. I was sort of reminded of Page singing Franklin's Tower during the Phil & Phriends run in '99. I remember thinking: Wow, I never really noticed how young and innocent Page sounded until I heard him on that song. Total contrast with Jerry. But you couldn't help but notice how much fun they were having with it, and the Whipping Post from this show kind of strikes me the same way $.02
Title: Re: Week 5: 7/25/99 Deer Creek, Noblesville, IN
Post by: jedifunk on June 14, 2006, 11:45:26 PM
ok, so i know its my pick, but i thought i'd chime in here and give my impression of this show.... that i chose.

1st set: well, its the green crew set what can i say... we picked em, and they sticked them... love the choices we made and the band just nailed it!

meat - picked by my friend bean, decent fun opener

mfmf->mlt->whipping post - this shit is HOT!  always great to see the rare mfmf... love how its picks up ambient steam as it heads into MLT... i still dont hear anything that sounds the same from version to version, but i enjoy it non the less.... and you can just feel the HEAT coming off of it as it moves into whipping post.... and this version SMOKES!  trey's vocals are a little quiet at first but then he really gets into it... and the outro jam on this one is top shelf.  just love this jam!

makisupa->bday fun - nice choice after the face melter that was whipping post... fun and groovy... and the bday fun is a kick, although on tape it gets a bit old after awhile... but its worth it.
saw it again - love this song
boogie on - more dance party! :beers: more mike!  he just rules this jam... at this point in the show, they are so in sync its insane... jammin on all four cylinders... very crisp and sharp... love it.
cavern - nice way to end the set

set 2 - another great set... both sets stand on their own.  a great 2 set show.

birds -> walk away - great birds, top 5 version IMO... contains that "sonic ambience" that defines the summer 99 tour... and i love that sound... layers upon layers over textures and moods.... just beautiful work by all 4 guys here... really just a superb jam... and the segue into walk away is smooth and perfect.

antelope - this lope RAGES!  as mentioned already, there are a LOT of gears on the gearshift on this night... they just keep it going and going... then they add just a touch of 99 space (perfect amount and well placed)... a top version IMO.

suzy - YES... PAGE... i love the baby grand during a funk session... and he's all over this one.... dance dance dance, dance the whole night long!  this is my current song/version to listen to over and over, till i fall over from all the dancing i just did... then i replay it and dance some more!  so funky, so fun... and again, they are so "hooked up" its not even funny... on point fellas!

purple rain - not usually a fishman tune kinda guy... but i thought this was perfect time and place for some more fishman humor... and i love purple rain... and then with him not knowing the words... great fun...

yem - so ok... so its not the longest yem ever, but this one jams... trey obviously wanted to get right to the jam... and then they've got that boogie on jam inside yem!  that shit is hot, great work by mike again.

loving cup - great choice... high energy closer for a great great show... and they nail it!  if the creek had a roof it was blowin completely off!


so there it is... my choice... hope you guys enjoyed it as much as i do... its really fallen into heavy rotation since i "rediscovered it"
Title: Re: Week 5: 7/25/99 Deer Creek, Noblesville, IN
Post by: cactusfan on June 15, 2006, 12:19:53 AM
hey jedi, just cause you picked the show doesn't mean we don't want to know why you dig it.
in fact, i'm especially interested in the show-pickers' reasons for picking a given show (beyond the obvious-- that you like it  :wink:)

i'd give a rundown, but this show is shaping up to have the most agreement of any one so far.

basically i love the first set. i like meat more than most folks, i think. same with saw it again, which i love. the birthday moment keeps up such a great vibe. the only part i wasn't thrilled with is cavern, which despite its near ubiquity as a set closer i find to be a lame set closer.

set II, same thing. yay for the spacey BOAF and everything else, though yeah, that brief yem doesn't quite take off the way one would want it to. and a nice fiery loving cup to finish things.

i've heard relatively few summer '99s, so it was great hearing such a good one.
thanks for the pick.

it seems like i'm up for next week.
a plan is forming... and it may involve a number of   :banana:        :banana:


                                                                             :banana:             :banana:
Title: Re: Week 5: 7/25/99 Deer Creek, Noblesville, IN
Post by: Alumni on June 15, 2006, 08:45:04 AM
Yup. I don't think there's anything wrong with folks commenting on their own choices. If anything, it might be the most interesting perspective . . . to find out what led someone to highlight that show in particular. Though it probably is good to hold back for a few days to avoid influencing others' reactions.

I dunno why this week's thread is quiet. Maybe its agreement. Maybe its just people slacking  :-D

Since you're up next, I'll mention that if it looks like I'm emphasizing "the bad" at the expense of "the good," it's just 'cause I'm trying to highlight areas where there might be a difference of opinion (which is what makes a discussion thread work, imo). I'm not trying to affect some jaded. negative persona - just trying to get discussion going. So for Jedi's show, that meant fessing up to being a "saw-it-again-hater"  :-P and wondering what could have been re: the YEM. I'd still rank it ahead of any of the 99 shows I got to see personally, precisely because it's a 2-set show. Off the top of my head, the Great Woods shows during the summer, and the Portland shows during the winter all seem either top-heavy or bottom-heavy. Like Jedi mentioned, this week's choice offers two sets that can stand on their own, which is pretty cool.
Title: Re: Week 5: 7/25/99 Deer Creek, Noblesville, IN
Post by: jedifunk on June 15, 2006, 11:48:43 AM
mmm, i thought great woods night 2 (7/13) was an amazing 2 set show... i know lots of peeps say the 1st set outshines the 2nd, and it does, but the 2nd set holds its own... i love that wolfmans...

but i gotta say, i'm a little sad there arent more comments here... i was hoping my choice would generate alot more discussion that 3 pages... oh well.
Title: Re: Week 5: 7/25/99 Deer Creek, Noblesville, IN
Post by: Alumni on June 15, 2006, 12:00:49 PM
Heh. You read my mind on that one. After I typed it, I was thinking that it might have been unfair to 7/13. I had spaced on the Possum and Tuesday's Gone to close the show (which I also really enjoyed). So maybe it does rise above the other three . . . Cool, I *did* catch a two-setter  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Week 5: 7/25/99 Deer Creek, Noblesville, IN
Post by: August on June 15, 2006, 03:54:03 PM
mmm, i thought great woods night 2 (7/13) was an amazing 2 set show... i know lots of peeps say the 1st set outshines the 2nd, and it does, but the 2nd set holds its own... i love that wolfmans...

but i gotta say, i'm a little sad there arent more comments here... i was hoping my choice would generate alot more discussion that 3 pages... oh well.

for some reason jedi, whenever i get a zip file from you, i always get an error message.
my discs of this show are at my moms place now, and i DL the new torrent on my laptop over there......
maybe i will just grab it again.....
its weird that i am seeding a show for me to grab here   :roll:
this is the CLUB!
i am always gonna review!
a
Title: Re: Week 5: 7/25/99 Deer Creek, Noblesville, IN
Post by: jedifunk on June 15, 2006, 03:58:39 PM
has anyone else had problems with the .zip file of the mp3s i posted for this show?

aug- what app are you using to decompress?  how are you doing it (or trying to do it)?
Title: Re: Week 5: 7/25/99 Deer Creek, Noblesville, IN
Post by: August on June 15, 2006, 03:59:35 PM
i use winzip.
seriously, every zip from you, cannot unzip....i dunno
a
Title: Re: Week 5: 7/25/99 Deer Creek, Noblesville, IN
Post by: jedifunk on June 15, 2006, 04:17:57 PM
mmm, if you dont mind trying, will you try using stuffit expander?  they make it for windows now... its free.  lmk

http://www.digitalriver.com/v2.0-img/operations/aladdin2/site/int/stuffit_t.htm

and here's a little comparison vs winzip
http://www.stuffit.com/win/deluxe/sitvswinzip.html
Title: Re: Week 5: 7/25/99 Deer Creek, Noblesville, IN
Post by: August on June 15, 2006, 04:56:58 PM
thanks jedi.
i DL stuffit and it worked.
but why would winzip not?

and dont tell me to getamac.com  :wink:
a
Title: Re: Week 5: 7/25/99 Deer Creek, Noblesville, IN
Post by: fauxpaxfauxreal on June 15, 2006, 04:59:05 PM
I don't know...winzip works for me on his downloads...
Title: Re: Week 5: 7/25/99 Deer Creek, Noblesville, IN
Post by: August on June 15, 2006, 05:04:38 PM
that is strange
a
Title: Re: Week 5: 7/25/99 Deer Creek, Noblesville, IN
Post by: jedifunk on June 15, 2006, 05:05:32 PM
did you check the link about stuffit vs winzip?

the only thing i can think of is that i used the built-in .zip archiving in OS X.... not sure why that would matter, especially since i know other windows users can open my .zip files (re: faux)
Title: Re: Week 5: 7/25/99 Deer Creek, Noblesville, IN
Post by: jonyem on June 15, 2006, 05:06:04 PM
.zip files are funny.
I've seen 'em not work on a machine that made them.
Windows & Mac.
they're weird
Title: Re: Week 5: 7/25/99 Deer Creek, Noblesville, IN
Post by: fauxpaxfauxreal on June 15, 2006, 05:08:23 PM
AND I KEEP GETTING SMITED!

I EVEN OFFERED TO GIVE AUGUST HEAD!  HOLY HELL.  I BET IT'S MATTSTICK!
Title: Re: Week 5: 7/25/99 Deer Creek, Noblesville, IN
Post by: jedifunk on June 15, 2006, 05:09:11 PM
yeah, i prefer to use a .sit for compression, but that requires that the person opening it has stuffit....

.sit used to be mac only, but now that stuffit has gone multiplatform (mac, windows, linux) its more universal... but still requires the downloading of stuffit..  but stuffit is the best compression/decompression software available IMO.
Title: Re: Week 5: 7/25/99 Deer Creek, Noblesville, IN
Post by: August on June 15, 2006, 05:09:44 PM
did you check the link about stuffit vs winzip?

the only thing i can think of is that i used the built-in .zip archiving in OS X.... not sure why that would matter, especially since i know other windows users can open my .zip files (re: faux)

yeah i checked out that comparison.
thanks for the link.

well...you turned me on to sendspace, so i will keep this handy!
a
Title: Re: Week 5: 7/25/99 Deer Creek, Noblesville, IN
Post by: jedifunk on June 15, 2006, 05:09:57 PM
mattstick hasnt been on the site since the 13th... so it aint him.
Title: Re: Week 5: 7/25/99 Deer Creek, Noblesville, IN
Post by: jedifunk on June 15, 2006, 05:10:27 PM
anyhoo, how about this show huh?  great great show....  lets hear some more reviews!
Title: Re: Week 5: 7/25/99 Deer Creek, Noblesville, IN
Post by: fauxpaxfauxreal on June 15, 2006, 05:10:38 PM
mattstick hasnt been on the site since the 13th... so it aint him.

Haha.  I know.  Where's the stats page?  I want to do some investigative work.
Title: Re: Week 5: 7/25/99 Deer Creek, Noblesville, IN
Post by: fauxpaxfauxreal on June 15, 2006, 05:11:56 PM
Yeah, it's a great show.  The first set wasn't as great as the fluffing of it was (even though it would have been a ton of fun to see live).  The second set was, however, OUTSTANDING.  The Antelope is GREAT... as is the Suzy.  I'll give my thoughts on this show later.  (However, the YEM was kind of lame...imo...).
Title: Re: Week 5: 7/25/99 Deer Creek, Noblesville, IN
Post by: August on June 15, 2006, 05:12:44 PM
i am listening to the first set right now.
this show as actually going to be my pick!
it was in the running with 7-10-97 and 12-29-97.
i really do love this show and havent heard it in about two months or so.
review tonight.
a
Title: Re: Week 5: 7/25/99 Deer Creek, Noblesville, IN
Post by: thelot on June 15, 2006, 05:35:18 PM
mmm, i thought great woods night 2 (7/13) was an amazing 2 set show... i know lots of peeps say the 1st set outshines the 2nd, and it does, but the 2nd set holds its own... i love that wolfmans...

but i gotta say, i'm a little sad there arent more comments here... i was hoping my choice would generate alot more discussion that 3 pages... oh well.

I'm gonna dust this one off tomorrow night. It's probably been about 6 years since I last listened to it. Great show, one of my favorites from that tour.
Title: Re: Week 5: 7/25/99 Deer Creek, Noblesville, IN
Post by: sophist on June 15, 2006, 06:44:32 PM
Meat- this was a let down, not a good opener imo.  I was bored from the get go.  Pretty standard version, and it just doesnt do it for me
MFMF- good version, excellent segue into
My left toe- nasty song imo.  I really like this version, it builds nicely into Whipping Post.  I like how the boys make a seamless shift from 4/4 to 6/8.  Very tight transition and nice jamming.
Whipping Post-I was a bit turned off by it.  Trey either didnt wan to play or forget the chorus riff, and as a result page played it, which made it sound weird to me.  I did like the segue into it.  The jam is kind of weak imo.  It lacks the passionate drive that duane and company had when they performed it live.  was this preplanned?  By the sound of it, it sounds spontanious and unplanned. 
Makisupa Policeman-good version, i like the happy bday section, I found it humorous.
I saw it again-standard
Boogie on reggea woman-wow!!!! this smokes.  top notch version.  Really tight and really funky. 
Cavern-solid version, trey is in rock star mode, I like it.
Loving Cup-piss break and beer refill time

I just started the 2nd set now, so I'll be back with more comments later
Title: Re: Week 5: 7/25/99 Deer Creek, Noblesville, IN
Post by: jedifunk on June 15, 2006, 07:06:18 PM
Meat- this was a let down, not a good opener imo.  I was bored from the get go.  Pretty standard version, and it just doesnt do it for me
MFMF- good version, excellent segue into
My left toe- nasty song imo.  I really like this version, it builds nicely into Whipping Post.  I like how the boys make a seamless shift from 4/4 to 6/8.  Very tight transition and nice jamming.
Whipping Post-I was a bit turned off by it.  Trey either didnt wan to play or forget the chorus riff, and as a result page played it, which made it sound weird to me.  I did like the segue into it.  The jam is kind of weak imo.  It lacks the passionate drive that duane and company had when they performed it live.  was this preplanned?  By the sound of it, it sounds spontanious and unplanned. 
Makisupa Policeman-good version, i like the happy bday section, I found it humorous.
I saw it again-standard
Boogie on reggea woman-wow!!!! this smokes.  top notch version.  Really tight and really funky. 
Cavern-solid version, trey is in rock star mode, I like it.
Loving Cup-piss break and beer refill time

I just started the 2nd set now, so I'll be back with more comments later

you didnt enjoy the whipping post?  :-o flabbergasted i am....  this is easily the highlight for me... the jam simply smokes... to each their own.  :|
Title: Re: Week 5: 7/25/99 Deer Creek, Noblesville, IN
Post by: sophist on June 15, 2006, 07:26:21 PM
jedi,
as a huge ABB fan(original lineup) I'm use to hearing the jam a certain way.  I did enjoy it, but it was abit too spacey/melodic at times.  but to each his own....
Title: Re: Week 5: 7/25/99 Deer Creek, Noblesville, IN
Post by: jedifunk on June 15, 2006, 07:32:55 PM
jedi,
as a huge ABB fan(original lineup) I'm use to hearing the jam a certain way.  I did enjoy it, but it was abit too spacey/melodic at times.  but to each his own....

but isnt that the point of a band covering another bands tune?  to take it and make it their own?  of course it doesnt sound the way ABB used to play it... they werent trying to make it sound that way... it is no less sick because its not in the ABB style...
Title: Re: Week 5: 7/25/99 Deer Creek, Noblesville, IN
Post by: Alumni on June 15, 2006, 07:43:46 PM
Loving Cup-piss break and beer refill time
I just started the 2nd set now, so I'll be back with more comments later

Piss break? It's the encore for Chrissakes! If you've managed to last that long . . .  :beers:
Title: Re: Week 5: 7/25/99 Deer Creek, Noblesville, IN
Post by: birdman on June 15, 2006, 07:49:33 PM
   Just finished Set I  on my way home tonight. Never heard this before, nor many other 99's so its hard for me to compare this with other contemporary shows...so excuse my non-99 listening ass :-P
 Meat- better live than on tape Im sure...thankfully

MFMF is up next and really gets the show moving. Nice solid version...cant go wrong with My Friend

MLT, interesting segue, not real dfamiliar with this tune, but Mikes playing is hypnotic

Whipping Post...I would have been losing my shit as they started playing this...Treys vocals were rather weak and the playing is a bit sloppy early on, I was beginning to cringe when they finally synced up and blew the roof off the place by the end of the jam..very nice...rocking kickdown

 Makisupa is a great breather after the Post...Keef :banana:
   the birthday buisiness would have been fun to see live but doesn't come across that well listening from my car
 Saw it Again...hated this the first time I heard it...now I've grown to like this tune..pretty standard version
  Boogie On..my favorite Stevie song EVER. Loved this before Phish busted it out in 97, then I loved it even more. This version may not be the best ever but I would have been dancing my ass off. Again Mike sounds phenomenal.
 Cavern-meh

   Looking forward to set II...excellent choice Jedi
  
Title: Re: Week 5: 7/25/99 Deer Creek, Noblesville, IN
Post by: susep on June 15, 2006, 08:15:37 PM
I'm a big ABB fan and I thought the 'Post was decent:

Post>I heard back in the day Fish sang lead>HYHU.  Trey sounding inspired vocally.  Nice Page first solo>B3 action>Trey chordig nicely adding sonic tones>Trey, Mike and Page solo together after verse>the debate on the other thread about Trey playing outside the box is best exemplified here>although the signals are blues Trey morphs.  Strong finish.
Title: Re: Week 5: 7/25/99 Deer Creek, Noblesville, IN
Post by: August on June 16, 2006, 12:19:55 PM
alright, i listened to this last night.
always was one of my favs.....
alot of kickdowns going down here.

Meat- I am a big fan of meat.and this was the first time meat was an opener.it might not have that opener feel, but to me, signifies that they are in a good mood and just going with it.had not appeared in the last 25 shows.the mike solo section towards the end was quite meaty and deelish.
My Friend- my friend is my favorite phish song.it is such a shame that the beginning is always messed up, though.this one wasnt too bad, but did have a couple flubs.cool though, especially that it was played as the second song, and not as the opener slot, which it often appears in.this was not played in the last 32 shows.another kick.nice outro jam into...
Left Toe- always a good time.rare tune, maybe not for 99, but cool none the less.i like how the jam really changes directions a few minutes before Whipping Post.the segue is as smooth as it gets.
Post-definitely the show highlight.energy was super high for this.i like how thet really take the jam out there for a while.and then when trey comes back in with the "sometimes i feel"....you remember that they are still playing Whipping Post!cool that trey took the lead.this was the biggest kickdown.not played in the last 207 shows and waas the last time ever played.
Makisupa- fun version.kicked it down for CK.the reggae happy Berfday was nice.i like when Chris gets on the mic and says "hey Trey? it's Chris.....at the light board"!he sounds  like he didnt want to scare the shit out of them.....
saw it Again- i can take it or leave this song.i equate this with vultures.i used to like them alot in 97, but am not really a big fan of either anymore.this version was good, though.
Boogie On- and boogie on i equate with sand, because there is not much you can do once you are locked into these kinds of grooves.i mean there is, but they dont do much with them.both are really fun to groove to.cool breakdowns at the end.real funky version.then cavern.

awesome first set!

Birds- definite 99 jam feel to this.hard to explain that type of style, but is unmistakeable when heard.just like great woods, they take this one out there for a while.i really like tis jam even though it doesnt really vary too much.but that can be a good thing.the changes that they do make are subtle and appropriate.great segue into
Walk Away- always a treat.not played in the last 35 shows.
Antelope- always good to hear songs that usually close sets right in the middle.this one is pretty good.it is antelope and does what it is.the breakdown after the buildup is extra funky.and there was a little stash tease in the intro.(right here i say that the new girl is not reading this because it is too long)nothing too nuts, but good version.
Suzy- not played in the last 27 shows.extra funky sections at the end with page and mike.mike's line is serious!great suzy!
Purple rain-i like fishman tunes.to me, especially later on in the years, i t signified that they were having a good time.same goes for lawn boy.humurous rendition.also, not played in the last 209 shows and was the last time played!
YEM-was yem.boogie teases.not much going on here.
Cup-standard, but good.

My first A!
great pick jedi!
i love the club!
a

Title: Re: Week 5: 7/25/99 Deer Creek, Noblesville, IN
Post by: jephrey on June 16, 2006, 02:00:34 PM
birds won't open for me in winzip because it has a > in it.  And I can't rename it.  This computer blows.

Jephrey
Title: Re: Week 5: 7/25/99 Deer Creek, Noblesville, IN
Post by: jedifunk on June 16, 2006, 02:11:35 PM
www.apple.com/getamac

;)
Title: Re: Week 5: 7/25/99 Deer Creek, Noblesville, IN
Post by: Lengthwise on June 16, 2006, 04:04:28 PM
ahh, my 100th, love that show!
Title: Re: Week 5: 7/25/99 Deer Creek, Noblesville, IN
Post by: jephrey on June 16, 2006, 04:17:01 PM
I'll forward that on to my boss.

Yeah, I can't open this music that I just downloaded, can I get a mac?

Haha  :samurai:

Jephrey
Title: Re: Week 5: 7/25/99 Deer Creek, Noblesville, IN
Post by: fauxpaxfauxreal on June 16, 2006, 04:25:00 PM
I'll forward that on to my boss.

Yeah, I can't open this music that I just downloaded, can I get a mac?

Haha  :samurai:

Jephrey

He's probably had the same problem.

For solving it, you'll get a raise!   :mrgreen: :beers:
Title: Re: Week 5: 7/25/99 Deer Creek, Noblesville, IN
Post by: sophist on June 18, 2006, 05:19:55 PM
alright the 2nd set is the fucking fire.  A new favorite of mine.  Thanks for sharing jedi.  I'll give the whipping post another listen and get back to ya.
Title: Re: Week 5: 7/25/99 Deer Creek, Noblesville, IN
Post by: thelot on June 19, 2006, 09:57:50 AM
First of all I'd like to thank Jedi and the rest of the G-Crew for picking a great 1st set. Highlights for me...

Set I:
Meat (nice opener, nice version)
My Friend> (cool version)
My Left Toe> (pretty cool)
Whipping Post> (we were listening to 5-24-88 Set II a lot this tour, so it was nice to hear this great version)
Makisupa (great version! I remember playing this for my younger brother (Chris) on his B-Day (9/4) driving out to the Gorge for Fall '99. It's funny cause whenever we roll one up he never passes it to anyone, so everone in the car had a good laugh during Fish's part. :lol:)
Saw it Again (nice version)
Boogie On (wow, never realized how good this version was...damn. :-o Highlight of the set for me.)
 
Set II:
Birds (decent version)
Antelope (very nice)
Suzy (solid)
Purple Rain (comical)
YEM (decent version)

Solid show. I give it a 4.2 out of 5 for this tour.
Title: Re: Week 5: 7/25/99 Deer Creek, Noblesville, IN
Post by: jephrey on June 19, 2006, 02:02:58 PM
Huh, now they're right there.  It seemed that it wouldn't decompress them, I couldn't see them, then this moring when I turn the thing on they're there.  Interesting.

So I'm listening now and will report today!

Title: Re: Week 5: 7/25/99 Deer Creek, Noblesville, IN
Post by: jephrey on June 19, 2006, 05:22:03 PM
This was a good meat...  I didn't like earlier versions where they couldn't hit the break well.  This was good in that respect, and I like the song.  Strangely enough, I like it as an opener.

MFMF, this might as well have been the opener.  It's one of my favorite orchestral pieces.  It was fairly general, but the bustout of something like MLT afterwards was very cool

MLT,  Just a chill song.  I really like it here and the transition to WP is very smooth.

Whipping Post,  I suppose I'n not the usual WP fan, but I really really liked this version.  It just kinda built up from the MLT groove.

Makisupa + HB Kuroda,  This whole thing was good and what made it so good was the birthday jam.  I like the interaction.  Musically, it was good.

I Saw it Again,  I don't know if I'm on the fence about this song or not.  My opinion always differs.  This time, I thought it was average.

Boogie On,  WHOA!  Gordo!  This is my Set1 highlight.  Mike was on all kinds of fire.

Cavern,  Average, and as always, a good closer.

Birds, I love this version, which I agree, has an unmistakeable 99 feel to it.  And very good 99.  It's just damned good.  Edging on ambience, but still structured enough to get down with.  I like when songs like this fall apart (as this one did around 14:30) but come back with Fish just hitting a groove and getting everyone else to come along and keep jamming.  Kinda changes the mood too, sounding like something from the Siket Disc. (Is that a Bye Bye Foot sounding jam?  It sounds familiar in any case).  I'd call it a typical transition into...

Walk Away,  I don't know whether to think that this is a treat or not.  Maybe I'm not a big fan of the song, so I don't really call it a bustout, but it was played well, and I liked it here.

Auntie Lope,  What I don't like about antelope, is that sometimes they'll build it up so damn much, that I'll get worn out.  This one has a very chill segment, almost stopping before the buildup (which was not insane).  It's already a good rendition.  The end is standard

Suzy,  I always hve high hopes for Page when the breaks come...  This one is slow and a bit groovy, and although I didn't get the ultra-funk clav, the breaks were good.  I liked the second one extended over trey's loops.  BTW, this is a place where I do NOT like the clap-along.  Man, Page had a nice little piano piece going on and then the clapping starts.  Luckily they break out of it a few measures later and get the thing speeding up.  Page is shining now, and I like Trey's little guitar runs.  And then the stop for Page's (Superstition? or some Stevie Wonder song that I'm brain farting on) tease.  When the lyrics started back up, I could have gone for another round of Page solo, but alas it ends.  Might surprise many that this is a highlight of this set for me.  I like those breaks.

Purple Rain,  cool

YEM, better than average, cool Boogie On teases.

Loving Cup,  Not my fav, but good nonetheless.

This show was tight and good.  I really liked it because of some outstanding segments from Page and Mike.  I might even rate this higher that any yet...  It'd at least be close.

Jephrey

Title: Re: Week 5: 7/25/99 Deer Creek, Noblesville, IN
Post by: whatapiper on June 20, 2006, 03:14:02 AM
i havnt had much spare time lately, so writing these has been difficult for the last couple of great shows.

all i can say without talking about the 2nd set is...

My Friend My Friend> My Left Toe> Whipping Post!!!! :phish: nuff said! whatakickdown!