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NLRB is taking down the NCAA
« on: March 27, 2014, 10:50:13 AM »
http://www.thenation.com/blog/179042/northwestern-university-football-union-and-ncaas-death-spiral#

I wasn't sure where to put this, so I started a thread.

This ruling will most likely alter everything we've come to know about pro and college sports.  As a guy working in HR at a private university, I see FLSA and PPACA impact, among other things.  So, what do you think?
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Re: NLRB is taking down the NCAA
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2014, 11:32:37 AM »
http://www.thenation.com/blog/179042/northwestern-university-football-union-and-ncaas-death-spiral#

I wasn't sure where to put this, so I started a thread.

This ruling will most likely alter everything we've come to know about pro and college sports.  As a guy working in HR at a private university, I see FLSA and PPACA impact, among other things.  So, what do you think?

I think the NCAA dug their own grave long ago.  This is just the beginning of an avalanche.
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Re: NLRB is taking down the NCAA
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2014, 11:50:09 AM »
http://www.thenation.com/blog/179042/northwestern-university-football-union-and-ncaas-death-spiral#

I wasn't sure where to put this, so I started a thread.

This ruling will most likely alter everything we've come to know about pro and college sports.  As a guy working in HR at a private university, I see FLSA and PPACA impact, among other things.  So, what do you think?

I think the NCAA dug their own grave long ago.  This is just the beginning of an avalanche.

Totally. I'm not sold completely on them being "employees" but I believe a lot of things need to change - monthly stipends, medical coverage for on-field injuries, a coach or someone helping a kid with a plane ticket home for the holiday, etc.  All those petty things that are considered violations.
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Re: NLRB is taking down the NCAA
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2014, 12:03:53 PM »
I'm not sold completely on them being "employees"

As long as the NLRB thinks they are, I think that's all that matters in this case.
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Re: NLRB is taking down the NCAA
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2014, 12:08:22 PM »
I'm not sold completely on them being "employees"

As long as the NLRB thinks they are, I think that's all that matters in this case.

What is their basis for determining this? They can't use the scholarship route because that is a grant - so that can't be considered a salary or taxable income.
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Re: NLRB is taking down the NCAA
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2014, 12:17:34 PM »
Here's the decision:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/images/03/26/Decision_and_Direction_of_Election.pdf

from page 14:

"As the record demonstrates, players receiving scholarships to perform football-related
services for the Employer under a contract for hire in return for compensation are subject to the
Employer’s control and are therefore employees within the meaning of the Act."

I think what always kept them considered "student-athletes" before was that participation on the teams was primarily considered part of the student's education.  Fast forward 30-40 years and the participation on the teams primarily benefits the schools in the form of big $$$.  So yeah, it was probably a matter of time...
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Re: NLRB is taking down the NCAA
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2014, 12:30:26 PM »
And this only applies to private Universities.
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Re: NLRB is taking down the NCAA
« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2014, 12:50:52 PM »
And this only applies to private Universities.

True.  One possible consequence is that private universities who don't want to take on more "employees" could drop inter-collegiate sports.  Which would suck.

If schools did not drop sports, there could be a funky dynamic for recruiting talent.  Private schools would offer benefits, perhaps pay, while public schools could not...
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Re: NLRB is taking down the NCAA
« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2014, 03:05:19 PM »
Personally, I'm of the belief that they are employees and should be protected as such. And the free education angle? Assessing the intelligence highlighted during sideline reporting, I would say many of the athletes are there to play sports first and take basket weaving courses second. If there were a viable alternative (league) that did not have an educational requirement, they'd be playing in it. 
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