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Re: Gun Talk Re: have you heard about...?
« Reply #720 on: February 19, 2018, 01:00:09 PM »

Do I write my congressman?

Yes

Eta:  also, vote out all the politicians beholden to the NRA, and not to the safety of your kids.
these things.

The fact that schools nowadays have lock down drills for active shooter scenarios is.....insane.  :shakehead:
Youshould see the ALICE drills that my wife, a kindergarten teacher, and her colleagues have to endure. They instruct them how to barricade against and defend against active shooters. It involves police officers forcibly entering their classrooms and “killing” them with a yardstick. Horrifying for anyone. Now imagine them instructing her how to teach 5 year olds to go on the offensive in last ditch efforts. This whole situation is unimaginable, but here we are.

I admit, I just had to look up ALICE drills, and didn't even know these drills existed until this weekend. How fucking insane is that this is the world we live in today? And talk about mental illness...you think this isn't contributing to an entire generation of kids growing up with some level of PTSD, and/or constant state of fear that something like this could happen in their schools, wtf! And I KNOW I can't be the only one that has had that thought run across my mind, even in passing, while at a concert, or a movie theater, or a crowded festival or outdoor event, that some shit like that could go down. It might be an irrational fear, and infinitesimally small chance of ever occurring, but I'd be lying if I said I've never thought that. And you got kids growing up with that kind of shit?  :shakehead:

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Re: Gun Talk Re: have you heard about...?
« Reply #721 on: February 19, 2018, 04:13:35 PM »

Do I write my congressman?

Yes

Eta:  also, vote out all the politicians beholden to the NRA, and not to the safety of your kids.
these things.

The fact that schools nowadays have lock down drills for active shooter scenarios is.....insane.  :shakehead:
Youshould see the ALICE drills that my wife, a kindergarten teacher, and her colleagues have to endure. They instruct them how to barricade against and defend against active shooters. It involves police officers forcibly entering their classrooms and “killing” them with a yardstick. Horrifying for anyone. Now imagine them instructing her how to teach 5 year olds to go on the offensive in last ditch efforts. This whole situation is unimaginable, but here we are.

I admit, I just had to look up ALICE drills, and didn't even know these drills existed until this weekend. How fucking insane is that this is the world we live in today? And talk about mental illness...you think this isn't contributing to an entire generation of kids growing up with some level of PTSD, and/or constant state of fear that something like this could happen in their schools, wtf! And I KNOW I can't be the only one that has had that thought run across my mind, even in passing, while at a concert, or a movie theater, or a crowded festival or outdoor event, that some shit like that could go down. It might be an irrational fear, and infinitesimally small chance of ever occurring, but I'd be lying if I said I've never thought that. And you got kids growing up with that kind of shit?  :shakehead:

MAGA! 'Murica!
I think of it anytime I'm at a concert or sporting event.

On another note, I found out yesterday how easy it is to call your congressman. Dial 202-224-3121 and enter your zip code.  That's it.

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Re: Gun Talk Re: have you heard about...?
« Reply #722 on: February 19, 2018, 04:53:09 PM »
You can also find them by just typing in your zip code here:

https://www.house.gov/representatives/find-your-representative

You can then also type in your reps name here to find out how much they've received from the gun lobby:

https://www.politico.com/interactives/2017/gun-lobbying-spending-in-america-congress/

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Re: Gun Talk Re: have you heard about...?
« Reply #723 on: February 23, 2018, 04:47:15 PM »
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Re: Gun Talk Re: have you heard about...?
« Reply #724 on: February 25, 2018, 07:03:15 PM »
That’s awesome!!
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« Reply #725 on: February 25, 2018, 07:10:07 PM »
Love it.
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Re: Gun Talk Re: have you heard about...?
« Reply #726 on: February 25, 2018, 10:25:51 PM »
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Re: Gun Talk Re: have you heard about...?
« Reply #727 on: February 26, 2018, 10:42:07 AM »
there is no explanation
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Re: Gun Talk Re: have you heard about...?
« Reply #728 on: February 27, 2018, 11:06:02 AM »
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/02/what-i-saw-treating-the-victims-from-parkland-should-change-the-debate-on-guns/553937/
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What I Saw Treating the Victims From Parkland Should Change the Debate on Guns
They weren’t the first mass-shooting victims the Florida radiologist saw—but their wounds were radically different.

As I opened the CT scan last week to read the next case, I was baffled. The history simply read “gunshot wound.” I have been a radiologist in one of the busiest trauma centers in the United States for 13 years, and have diagnosed thousands of handgun injuries to the brain, lung, liver, spleen, bowel, and other vital organs. I thought that I knew all that I needed to know about gunshot wounds, but the specific pattern of injury on my computer screen was one that I had seen only once before.

In a typical handgun injury, which I diagnose almost daily, a bullet leaves a laceration through an organ such as the liver. To a radiologist, it appears as a linear, thin, gray bullet track through the organ. There may be bleeding and some bullet fragments.

I was looking at a CT scan of one of the mass-shooting victims from Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, who had been brought to the trauma center during my call shift. The organ looked like an overripe melon smashed by a sledgehammer, and was bleeding extensively. How could a gunshot wound have caused this much damage?

The reaction in the emergency room was the same. One of the trauma surgeons opened a young victim in the operating room, and found only shreds of the organ that had been hit by a bullet from an AR-15, a semiautomatic rifle that delivers a devastatingly lethal, high-velocity bullet to the victim. Nothing was left to repair—and utterly, devastatingly, nothing could be done to fix the problem. The injury was fatal.

A year ago, when a gunman opened fire at the Fort Lauderdale airport with a 9 mm semiautomatic handgun, hitting 11 people in 90 seconds, I was also on call. It was not until I had diagnosed the third of the six victims who were transported to the trauma center that I realized something out of the ordinary must have happened. The gunshot wounds were the same low-velocity handgun injuries that I diagnose every day; only their rapid succession set them apart. And all six of the victims who arrived at the hospital that day survived.

Routine handgun injuries leave entry and exit wounds and linear tracks through the victim’s body that are roughly the size of the bullet. If the bullet does not directly hit something crucial like the heart or the aorta, and the victim does not bleed to death before being transported to our care at the trauma center, chances are that we can save him. The bullets fired by an AR-15 are different: They travel at a higher velocity and are far more lethal than routine bullets fired from a handgun. The damage they cause is a function of the energy they impart as they pass through the body. A typical AR-15 bullet leaves the barrel traveling almost three times faster than—and imparting more than three times the energy of—a typical 9mm bullet from a handgun. An AR-15 rifle outfitted with a magazine with 50 rounds allows many more lethal bullets to be delivered quickly without reloading.

I have seen a handful of AR-15 injuries in my career. Years ago I saw one from a man shot in the back by a swat team. The injury along the path of the bullet from an AR-15 is vastly different from a low-velocity handgun injury. The bullet from an AR-15 passes through the body like a cigarette boat traveling at maximum speed through a tiny canal. The tissue next to the bullet is elastic—moving away from the bullet like waves of water displaced by the boat—and then returns and settles back. This process is called cavitation; it leaves the displaced tissue damaged or killed. The high-velocity bullet causes a swath of tissue damage that extends several inches from its path. It does not have to actually hit an artery to damage it and cause catastrophic bleeding. Exit wounds can be the size of an orange.

With an AR-15, the shooter does not have to be particularly accurate. The victim does not have to be unlucky. If a victim takes a direct hit to the liver from an AR-15, the damage is far graver than that of a simple handgun-shot injury. Handgun injuries to the liver are generally survivable unless the bullet hits the main blood supply to the liver. An AR-15 bullet wound to the middle of the liver would cause so much bleeding that the patient would likely never make it to the trauma center to receive our care.

One of my ER colleagues was waiting nervously for his own children outside the school. While the shooting was still in progress, the first responders were gathering up victims whenever they could and carrying them outside the building. Even as a physician trained in trauma situations, there was nothing he could do at the scene to help save the victims who had been shot with the AR-15. Most of them died on the spot; they had no fighting chance at life.

As a doctor, I feel I have a duty to inform the public of what I have learned as I have observed these wounds and cared for these patients. It’s clear to me that AR-15 and other high-velocity weapons, especially when outfitted with a high-capacity magazine, have no place in a civilian’s gun cabinet. I have friends who own AR-15 rifles; they enjoy shooting them at target practice for sport and fervently defend their right to own them. But I cannot accept that their right to enjoy their hobby supersedes my right to send my own children to school, a movie theater, or a concert and to know that they are safe. Can the answer really be to subject our school children to active-shooter drills—to learn to hide under desks, turn off the lights, lock the door, and be silent—instead of addressing the root cause of the problem and passing legislation to take AR-15-style weapons out of the hands of civilians?

In the aftermath of this shooting, in the face of specific questioning, our government leaders did not want to discuss gun control even when asked directly about the issue. Senator Marco Rubio of Florida warned not to “jump to conclusions that there’s some law we could have passed that could have prevented it.” A reporter asked House Speaker Paul Ryan about gun control, and he replied, “As you know, mental health is often a big problem underlying these tragedies.” And on Tuesday, Florida’s state legislature voted against considering a ban on AR-15-type rifles, 71 to 36.

If politicians want to back comprehensive mental-health reform, I am all for it. As a medical doctor, I’ve witnessed firsthand the toll that mental-health issues take on families and on individuals themselves who have no access to satisfactory long-term mental-health care. But the president and Congress should not use this issue as an excuse to deliberately overlook the fact that the use of AR-15 rifles is the common denominator in many mass shootings.

A medical professor taught me about the dangers of drawing incorrect conclusions from data, using the example of gum chewing, smokers, and lung cancer. He said smokers may be more likely to chew gum to cover bad breath, but one cannot look at the data and decide that gum chewing causes lung cancer. It is the same type of erroneous logic that focuses on mental health after mass shootings, when banning the sale of semiautomatic rifles would be a far more effective means of preventing them.
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Re: Gun Talk Re: have you heard about...?
« Reply #729 on: February 27, 2018, 12:07:37 PM »
:clap: both PG's writing and the above article. And I hope this was some sort of tipping point, as it's been in the public conversation far longer than todays news cycle typically allows. But I wonder if it'll have any serious effect or change will occur, before the next absurd thing occurs in this alternate universe of trumpworld.
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Re: Gun Talk Re: have you heard about...?
« Reply #730 on: February 28, 2018, 08:34:42 PM »

Yo, this is some crazy fucked up Made In The USA shit.

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Re: Gun Talk Re: have you heard about...?
« Reply #731 on: February 28, 2018, 09:11:45 PM »

Yo, this is some crazy fucked up Made In The USA shit.
you guys don’t worship with your weapons?! How uncivilized.
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Re: Gun Talk Re: have you heard about...?
« Reply #732 on: March 02, 2018, 11:04:49 AM »
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Re: Gun Talk Re: have you heard about...?
« Reply #734 on: May 18, 2018, 12:50:00 PM »
What the fuck is going on, this is insanity  :shakehead:
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