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Rd 3 - Ghost (11-17-97) vs. Gin (07-29-98)
« on: August 02, 2012, 11:18:59 PM »
Round #3 - Ghost vs. Bathtub Gin

Ghost - (1) 11-17-1997 - McNichols Arena - Denver, CO

vs.

Gin - (1) 07-29-1998 - Riverport Amphitheater - Maryland Heights, MO

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Re: Rd 3 - Ghost (11-17-97) vs. Gin (07-29-98)
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2012, 11:46:32 PM »
i like this ghost a lot, but come on, it's highly overrated. just cause the band loved it at the time doesn't put it over the top.

this gin is one of the best anythings ever.

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Re: Rd 3 - Ghost (11-17-97) vs. Gin (07-29-98)
« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2012, 04:40:07 AM »
this gin is one of the best anythings ever.

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Re: Rd 3 - Ghost (11-17-97) vs. Gin (07-29-98)
« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2012, 06:06:12 AM »
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Re: Rd 3 - Ghost (11-17-97) vs. Gin (07-29-98)
« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2012, 07:35:21 AM »
I have never been as big a fan of that fall 97 shit as the rest of you guys... Which makes this easy.

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Re: Rd 3 - Ghost (11-17-97) vs. Gin (07-29-98)
« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2012, 10:14:23 AM »
I'm with cactusfan -- it's a good Ghost but I don't put it in the upper echelon of Phish jams.
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Re: Rd 3 - Ghost (11-17-97) vs. Gin (07-29-98)
« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2012, 10:59:46 AM »
it's a good Ghost but I don't put it in the upper echelon of Phish jams.

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this ghost defines the upper echelons of phish jams for me.
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Re: Rd 3 - Ghost (11-17-97) vs. Gin (07-29-98)
« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2012, 11:26:22 AM »
the jam that begins near 12:48(LP) is why Gin gets my vote.  it goes back to our previous debate of which was tour was better Fall '97 vs. Summer '98 in that both represent the peak of Phish funk. 

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Re: Rd 3 - Ghost (11-17-97) vs. Gin (07-29-98)
« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2012, 11:54:17 AM »
it's a good Ghost but I don't put it in the upper echelon of Phish jams.

 :-o

this ghost defines the upper echelons of phish jams for me.

Diff'rent strokes, I guess.

Don't get me wrong, I like it. A good bit.

But,

Even though it's not even my favorite jam from that show set. I've always been partial to the Tweezer...

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Re: Rd 3 - Ghost (11-17-97) vs. Gin (07-29-98)
« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2012, 12:17:03 PM »
Riverport is fun but I don't think it even comes close to the majesty of Denver.

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Re: Rd 3 - Ghost (11-17-97) vs. Gin (07-29-98)
« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2012, 02:19:04 PM »
Both are amazing jams, but I'd rank many Ghosts higher than this one...... whereas this Gin is perhaps the best ever, imo.

I vote Gin.
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Re: Rd 3 - Ghost (11-17-97) vs. Gin (07-29-98)
« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2012, 02:25:54 PM »
This is tough.

I went with Ghost for personal reasons. I might not be a phish fan had I not heard 11/17/97 and had the musical/life epiphany that followed. I'd probably be a totally different person, in fact.

But, all of that doesn't take away from the fact that the Riverport Gin is, without a doubt, a top shelf Phish jam. One of the best.
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Re: Rd 3 - Ghost (11-17-97) vs. Gin (07-29-98)
« Reply #12 on: August 03, 2012, 02:41:58 PM »
I wouldn't put Riverport in my top 20.

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Re: Rd 3 - Ghost (11-17-97) vs. Gin (07-29-98)
« Reply #13 on: August 03, 2012, 02:59:51 PM »
I wouldn't put Riverport in my top 20.

 :?

I'd be interested to see your top 20.
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Re: Rd 3 - Ghost (11-17-97) vs. Gin (07-29-98)
« Reply #14 on: August 03, 2012, 05:07:07 PM »
the jam that begins near 12:48(LP) is why Gin gets my vote.  it goes back to our previous debate of which was tour was better Fall '97 vs. Summer '98 in that both represent the peak of Phish funk.

I prefer Fall 1997, but, ironically, I voted Gin because of what leads up to the 12:48 mark. I think post 12:48 on this Gin cancels out much of what happens in the Denver Ghost and we are in 6 of one, half dozen of another territory.

If they had taken the thought they begin at around 9:30, flesh out at 11:15, and ultimately disregard near 14:00 on this Ghost and and cranked the tempo, gone from mf > FFF, and peaked the shit out of it, this would be a closer matchup for me. But it stays under-developed, whereas in Riverport, they attack their ideas and play towards a point even if ultimately they take their foot off the gas for the remainder.

Better goal oriented playing in the Riverport Gin during the first half, which is why I listen to them. The rest of the minutes is just a bonus.
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