*THE OFFICIAL Name that Jam Monday*

[fauxpaxfauxreal]

I know it's wrong, but I'm just going to say 12/6/97 Twist because I have no clue.

Also, I hope to god this is from something other than '00, because this shit is AWESOME.

[Multibeast12]

Shit is intense

[fauxpaxfauxreal]

Shit is intense

That it is.  It's like an awesome YEM jam that you can tell is in another tune.

Sophist's 7/23/97 Ghost was the closest to the mark.

[mistercharlie]

Shit is intense

That it is.  It's like an awesome YEM jam that you can tell is in another tune.

Sophist's 7/23/97 Ghost was the closest to the mark.

I really thought it was a YEM before I went with Twist and then was convinced it was a Piper. All I know is Trey is shredding the hell out of whatever it is.

[khalpin]

The key/progression definitely screams YEM, but it's too fast, unless they sped up as it went along.

[cactusfan]

listening to a lot of jams is going to be much too time-consuming.

fortunately, i think there are enough clues to figure this out.

first off, to my ears the sound of the recording and of the music itself is clearly from fall '99.

the song sounds like it has to be either Disease or Piper.

Aug was quick to say that it wasn't ever featured in the Daily Dose. yet he did the dose for a long time, and ended it quite awhile back. does he really recall every track he put in there? doubtful. more likely, the mystery jam comes from a song he only heard for the first time recently.

but what hasn't Aug ever heard before? in another recent thread, he pointed out that two shows he'd never listened to were the Shoreline shows from '99. there's been time enough since then to check them out.

the second show on the 17th features a long, insane Piper which, along with the Sand, is probably the best thing in those shows..

Disease was not played at either show.

my guess is Piper, 9/17/99.

[willsteele]

super sleuthy cactusfan.


sounds like a yem or ghost jam to me.

[susep]

definitely not a YEM.  the obvious thing about this jam is the foxey lady type chordal jam Trey uses ala 26Nov.1997 Character Zero but here its played faster.  this chordal jam/style was very common in Trey's playing circa '99-00.  my original guess is Piper from 15July2000 although it could be a Gin from the same tour(I know how much Aug loves those '00 Gin's;). 

[sophist]

I"m telling you guys, too much Trey rage to be that late in the game.  By mid-98 Trey was more keen on laying back in the pocket, even when it raged.  Way too many chromatic runs up in this bitch to be anything 98-00.  I say Summer 97.  The "flange" Jedi sound is all over this jam.  The kind of out of control "ramping" is pure Summer 97 to me. 

[susep]

I"m telling you guys, too much Trey rage to be that late in the game.  By mid-98 Trey was more keen on laying back in the pocket, even when it raged.  Way too many chromatic runs up in this bitch to be anything 98-00.  I say Summer 97.  The "flange" Jedi sound is all over this jam.  The kind of out of control "ramping" is pure Summer 97 to me.

I disagree, Trey doesn't have that classic Summer '97 sound and tone.  He wasn't playing that fast in the Summer of '97, he was laying back more and again his tone was much different then what I'm hearing on this jam.   

[sophist]

I"m telling you guys, too much Trey rage to be that late in the game.  By mid-98 Trey was more keen on laying back in the pocket, even when it raged.  Way too many chromatic runs up in this bitch to be anything 98-00.  I say Summer 97.  The "flange" Jedi sound is all over this jam.  The kind of out of control "ramping" is pure Summer 97 to me.

I disagree, Trey doesn't have that classic Summer '97 sound and tone.  He wasn't playing that fast in the Summer of '97, he was laying back more and again his tone was much different then what I'm hearing on this jam.

Wait, are you saying Trey played faster in 99-00 than he did in 97?  Cause it reads that way. 

[danje]

I"m telling you guys, too much Trey rage to be that late in the game.  By mid-98 Trey was more keen on laying back in the pocket, even when it raged.  Way too many chromatic runs up in this bitch to be anything 98-00.  I say Summer 97.  The "flange" Jedi sound is all over this jam.  The kind of out of control "ramping" is pure Summer 97 to me.

I disagree, Trey doesn't have that classic Summer '97 sound and tone.  He wasn't playing that fast in the Summer of '97, he was laying back more and again his tone was much different then what I'm hearing on this jam.

Wait, are you saying Trey played faster in 99-00 than he did in 97?  Cause it reads that way.

Listen to the last 2 minutes of the Boise DWD. Very similar shred to the jam Aug posted.

[susep]

I"m telling you guys, too much Trey rage to be that late in the game.  By mid-98 Trey was more keen on laying back in the pocket, even when it raged.  Way too many chromatic runs up in this bitch to be anything 98-00.  I say Summer 97.  The "flange" Jedi sound is all over this jam.  The kind of out of control "ramping" is pure Summer 97 to me.

I disagree, Trey doesn't have that classic Summer '97 sound and tone.  He wasn't playing that fast in the Summer of '97, he was laying back more and again his tone was much different then what I'm hearing on this jam.

Wait, are you saying Trey played faster in 99-00 than he did in 97?  Cause it reads that way.

generally speaking their jams in the Summer of '00 were jams like this, fast, a lot of type I(see the 1July2000 Ghost for ex.).  I don't remember hearing one jam from Summer '97 that sounds like this. 

[mattstick]

The jam which is nearly identical to this, but isn't it was 12/12/97 Piper.

[sophist]

I"m telling you guys, too much Trey rage to be that late in the game.  By mid-98 Trey was more keen on laying back in the pocket, even when it raged.  Way too many chromatic runs up in this bitch to be anything 98-00.  I say Summer 97.  The "flange" Jedi sound is all over this jam.  The kind of out of control "ramping" is pure Summer 97 to me.

I disagree, Trey doesn't have that classic Summer '97 sound and tone.  He wasn't playing that fast in the Summer of '97, he was laying back more and again his tone was much different then what I'm hearing on this jam.

Wait, are you saying Trey played faster in 99-00 than he did in 97?  Cause it reads that way.

generally speaking their jams in the Summer of '00 were jams like this, fast, a lot of type I(see the 1July2000 Ghost for ex.).  I don't remember hearing one jam from Summer '97 that sounds like this.

7/23/97 Ghost.  It's just like this.