2012 Election Thread

[Hicks]

I look at Intrade as a more accurate (and more real time) barometer. Obama was close to 80% there last week but has since fallen to 70% today.

66%

SELL, MORTIMER, SELL!!!

http://www.intrade.com/v4/markets/contract/?contractId=743474

Uh if you think that shit is scientific. . .


LOL.

It's real people putting their actual money behind a bet as to which candidate will win. If you ask me, that's far more scientific than self-reported answers to pollsters relying on complex models of voter turnout and party registration/enthusiasm.

Sure but the people who bother with or even know about that site are far from a random sampling of the general voting populace.

So yeah not scientific by a long shot.

What's more accurate: the price you pay for gas or an iPhone or milk (well, not milk b/c of all the subsidies) or the mezzanine tranche of a synthetic CDO?

a.  Speculators are douchebags

b.  I don't own an iphone

c.  Seems fair

d.  I don't buy that shit either

[sls.stormyrider]

imo Mitt made his points better than Obama

according to the fact checkers at abc, Romney took way more liberties with the truth.

imo Obama should have been more aggressive correcting Romney when he was fabricating the truth

[Hicks]

I hope Lehrer's wife gives him a bj tonight because he's gonna fucking need one.

[runawayjimbo]

Chris Matthews is having a full fledged breakdown live on TV right now

[susep]

"Big Bird tells Willard that today's debate is brought to you by the letters 'F' and 'U'."

[nab]

imo Mitt made his points better than Obama

according to the fact checkers at abc, Romney took way more liberties with the truth.

imo Obama should have been more aggressive correcting Romney when he was fabricating the truth

This is my basic observation as well.  I felt like Obama was treading water while Romney was pushing the waves; artificial tides or not.

[runawayjimbo]

according to the fact checkers at abc, Romney took way more liberties with the truth.

imo Obama should have been more aggressive correcting Romney when he was fabricating the truth

From here? I'm not sure how you get to "way more liberties". By my count, Obama has 20-40% True/Mostly true and Romney has 36% (see below). Looks like a tie to me. But more importantly,  who's fact checking the fact checkers, sls?!?!

Obama - 1 True, 1 doubtful, 2 Mostly Fiction, 1 False

Obama #1 - Mostly Fiction
Obama #2 - Mostly Fiction
Obama #3 - No answer (appears True)
Obama #4 - No answer (debatable at best)
Obama #5 - False (outdated)

Romney - 1.5 True, 1 Mostly true, 2 Mostly False, 2.5 False

Romney #1 - False (although how this gets False and Obama's the first 2 Mostly Fiction is beyond me)
Romney #2 - "Misconstrued statement" (this is where fact checkers drive me nuts; it's misconstrued because they draw a distinction between a slowing in the rate of growth vs an actual cut. As I've pointed out over and over again, everybody calls slowing the growth a "cut", so I'd give the fact checkers "Pants on Fire"
Romney #3 - Mostly true
Romney #4 - No answer (False or Mostly false it seems)
Romney #5 - Part 1 - False; Part 2 - True
Romney #6 - False (20-37% is not half)
Romney #7 - True

[PIE-GUY]

Woah... When did this become an LST?

[antelope19]

Woah... When did this become an LST?

:hereitisyousentimentalbastard

I think people realize how important this upcoming election is.......

[Hicks]

Woah... When did this become an LST?

:hereitisyousentimentalbastard

I think people realize how important this upcoming election is.......

At the bare minimum it's as important as finding out whether or not Phish played Possum again. 

[runawayjimbo]

Woah... When did this become an LST?

:hereitisyousentimentalbastard

I think people realize how important this upcoming election is.......

At the bare minimum it's as important as finding out whether or not Phish played Possum again.

Pretty sure they did

[whatapiper]

That was pretty brutal to watch, Romney seemed way more prepared and was definitely taking advantage of Obama's lack of offense.  Unless the Dems were hoping Romney would put his foot in his mouth I'm not really sure of the overall strategy to lay so far back and lack depth to any rebuttal.  Obama seemed content shaking his head and staring at his notes.

[antelope19]

Dennis miller via Facebook:

Obama better hope a kicked ass is covered under Obamacare

:hereitisyousentimentalbastard

[Hicks]

http://www.politicususa.com/mitt-romneys-biggest-lies-presidential-debate.html

[sls.stormyrider]

http://factcheck.org/2012/10/dubious-denver-debate-declarations/

not to mention a couple other things Obama didn't say about ACA
-it ends the donut hole
-preventative care is covered without copay

Regarding pre-conditions, Romney's plan reverts to the prior law - If you change jobs or insurance, you are covered as long as your insurance is not interrupted for > 90 days. If you never had insurance, or had it interrupted > 90 days, you are SOL.

Also, Romney was talking about private companies competing with Medicare for seniors. It sounds like a good idea. I thought it was a good idea when they started doing in in MA and NH in the mid 90s. All the major players had senior's plans.
None of them do now - none of them could compete with Medicare for price / coverage.


All of our arguments are well and good, but the Prez should have brought these points up himself last night.
I've never seen him look so bad