07/03 - Darling's Waterfront Pavilion - Bangor, ME - Post-Show Discussion

[Gundo]

Trey has been timid for about 4 years now.

I'll reserve judgement until after the weekend, but I still think that if they're not gonna spend as much time in the shed as they used to (or as they should), then it would be worth cutting back a bit on the song selections and play them better.
But then, I'm only going to 2 shows. Those who are going to 5+ might feel different.

if ur refering to practicing here, then i really got to ask to those that might know better than me--but in the pbs interview the other day Trey stated post hiatus he had become 'addicted to practicing'.

i thought the consensus was that they were not practicing much at all and definitely less than pre hiatus.
so,  is Trey just lying? or is the less-practicing criticism just mostly bad rumor?

curious...

From what I remember in the PBS interview, Trey said they WERE addicted to practicing. He didn't really elaborate on whether or not they are still practicing (they're not). Plus, in the Charlie Rose interview after the break-up, Trey said they had stopped practicing after the hiatus due to other obligations and musical interests.

[DoW]

Didn't Trey said he spent x hours a day for 6 days a week for y years on heads in a hardbody?
I think the practice discussion is overrated. I think they are playing the songs they want to play and cutting the Hans where they want to.
Mist interviews they seem to be happy where they are at.

[VA $l!m]

Trey has been timid for about 4 years now.

I'll reserve judgement until after the weekend, but I still think that if they're not gonna spend as much time in the shed as they used to (or as they should), then it would be worth cutting back a bit on the song selections and play them better.
But then, I'm only going to 2 shows. Those who are going to 5+ might feel different.

if ur refering to practicing here, then i really got to ask to those that might know better than me--but in the pbs interview the other day Trey stated post hiatus he had become 'addicted to practicing'.

i thought the consensus was that they were not practicing much at all and definitely less than pre hiatus.
so,  is Trey just lying? or is the less-practicing criticism just mostly bad rumor?

curious...

From what I remember in the PBS interview, Trey said they WERE addicted to practicing. He didn't really elaborate on whether or not they are still practicing (they're not). Plus, in the Charlie Rose interview after the break-up, Trey said they had stopped practicing after the hiatus due to other obligations and musical interests.

i'd watch teh interview agian for the exact quote, but TBH i think 'practicing' really has little to do with Trey's playing, so its probably a moot point.
obviously Page, Mike, even fish sound rehearsed and up to snuff.
also, i doubt trey's practicing less now that he's sober.
it only makes sense a 50 year old sober family man would practice more than a 30 year old celebrity junkie, lol.

seriously-- "practice?!" as Allen Iverson would say. :wink:

-- i believe Trey's playing just is what it is because of who he is at this point in time.
speaking from experience it can be Ruthlessly tough as a creative person when you get sober.
i havent even had the willpower to pick up an instrument or paint brush in the last 8 years, let alone feel comfortable playing in front of 20k phans a night.

... i really just think its a case of Time and Wear on Trey.
either that or my original instinct is he is just fucking with people. :evil:
i have always thought trey was sadistic, but thats probably just me, lol. :crazy:

[Undermind]

Soundcheck Jam -

[Itsnotanexperience]

Trey has been timid for about 4 years now.

I'll reserve judgement until after the weekend, but I still think that if they're not gonna spend as much time in the shed as they used to (or as they should), then it would be worth cutting back a bit on the song selections and play them better.
But then, I'm only going to 2 shows. Those who are going to 5+ might feel different.

if ur refering to practicing here, then i really got to ask to those that might know better than me--but in the pbs interview the other day Trey stated post hiatus he had become 'addicted to practicing'.

i thought the consensus was that they were not practicing much at all and definitely less than pre hiatus.
so,  is Trey just lying? or is the less-practicing criticism just mostly bad rumor?

curious...

From what I remember in the PBS interview, Trey said they WERE addicted to practicing. He didn't really elaborate on whether or not they are still practicing (they're not). Plus, in the Charlie Rose interview after the break-up, Trey said they had stopped practicing after the hiatus due to other obligations and musical interests.

i'd watch teh interview agian for the exact quote, but TBH i think 'practicing' really has little to do with Trey's playing, so its probably a moot point.
obviously Page, Mike, even fish sound rehearsed and up to snuff.
also, i doubt trey's practicing less now that he's sober.
it only makes sense a 50 year old sober family man would practice more than a 30 year old celebrity junkie, lol.

seriously-- "practice?!" as Allen Iverson would say. :wink:

-- i believe Trey's playing just is what it is because of who he is at this point in time.
speaking from experience it can be Ruthlessly tough as a creative person when you get sober.
i havent even had the willpower to pick up an instrument or paint brush in the last 8 years, let alone feel comfortable playing in front of 20k phans a night.

... i really just think its a case of Time and Wear on Trey.
either that or my original instinct is he is just fucking with people. :evil:
i have always thought trey was sadistic, but thats probably just me, lol. :crazy:

Meh.   Practice would be a big help.   And new ways of looking at the music in general.  Drop that annoying intro to DwD - that got old by '97.    Speed some shit up.  Slow some shit down.   Practice Taste for four straight hours some damn Tuesday afternoon.   Fix the break in Ghost.  Drop the old tired covers like RnR, Drowned and Boogie On.   Take a chance and move Gin to the second set.    Learn to play Foam again and play it.

This is their fifth major tour and in some ways, they're worse than they were in 2009.
Mostly they are the same.  More whale means less good playing from Trey.   I hear the same issues with flubs, track selection, execution, botched transitions - name it.

It's four years later.   They've played almost 180 shows since the return.   I generally love a standard 3.0 show in person.....but most of these traits and bad habits are completely ridiculous this deep into this period.   Denver gave some hope.   But you get one of those every 50 shows.

They're rich and they could practice if they chose or if Trey could give up his NYC sheik lifestyle.   I'm just sick of them phoning in so much of their average performance.

[mehead]

Soundcheck Jam -

[gainesvillegreen]

Sounds familiar.

Thanks for this vid. As apparently the lone voice of PBS enthusiasm in this thread so far, Jeffrey Brown typically does a good job - particularly with writers - but I would agree here that he was out of his element. He doesn't do musicians very often, and when he does it is to variable results (search on YouTube for his interview with the Montanan writer Jim Harrison to see where he excels).

It makes me  :cry: to hear Trey speak of practice in the past tense continually throughout this interview. All of the praise he gives the concertmasters, and he can't put it together that they practice daily, long hours, to MAINTAIN where they are. He seems to think all those exercises in Phish's past from 1983-199whenever are like tattoos which remain indefinitely rather than the transient fever rash of inspiration and ambition they really are.

Frustrating, but, ultimately, not terminal for this  head.

As someone mentioned in the LST's in the past couple of shows, they think they are playing Foam as good as is required (as evidenced by ticket sales and interweb chatter).
I think he is seeing these years as fruits of labor from years past, rather than an opportunity to achieve virtuosity on his instrument (and it should be said becoming the best composer he can be - I really miss how Phish's sound used to be SYMPHONIC in a way it never is these days).

As for Page, this is the best he has ever been imo. I'll let others vouch or vet Mike/Fish, but as far as Page is concerned, he is a wonderful example of practicing.

[Buffalo Budd]

As for Page, this is the best he has ever been imo. I'll let others vouch or vet Mike/Fish, but as far as Page is concerned, he is a wonderful example of practicing.

That being said, I highly doubt Page is dedicating a large percentage of his time to practicing Phish material.

[antelope19]

As for Page, this is the best he has ever been imo. I'll let others vouch or vet Mike/Fish, but as far as Page is concerned, he is a wonderful example of practicing.

That being said, I highly doubt Page is dedicating a large percentage of his time to practicing Phish material.

Correct me if im wrong, but Perhaps with only a few exceptions of stuff they've played so far, he doesn't necessarily have to practice phish material to still be on top of his game, where as other members of the band def do, ahem, I mean should have.  That said, it would imagine songs like its ice and maze are pretty difficult to execute without practice. 

[gainesvillegreen]

As for Page, this is the best he has ever been imo. I'll let others vouch or vet Mike/Fish, but as far as Page is concerned, he is a wonderful example of practicing.

That being said, I highly doubt Page is dedicating a large percentage of his time to practicing Phish material.

Very much what Antelope said. In addition to his own release and the work put in for that, if he is practicing the classical/20th century repertoire, then he will continue to improve.

[Play_It_Leo]

As for Page, this is the best he has ever been imo. I'll let others vouch or vet Mike/Fish, but as far as Page is concerned, he is a wonderful example of practicing.

That being said, I highly doubt Page is dedicating a large percentage of his time to practicing Phish material.

Very much what Antelope said. In addition to his own release and the work put in for that, if he is practicing the classical/20th century repertoire, then he will continue to improve.

and I'm sure Trey is practicing  too.  the difference being  Trey is practicing  cheesy Broadway  tunes  instead of phish...  or jazz...  or classical...  or anything that requires much music theory or precision.

[redrum]

Has anyone seen a picture of the giant anniversary card the fans gave trey at the end of the first set?
Or got a link?

[Undermind]

Has anyone seen a picture of the giant anniversary card the fans gave trey at the end of the first set?
Or got a link?

[redrum]

Thanks.

But "Always being there"?
Did they forget about '04-'09, and the other years?

[DoW]

Thanks.

But "Always being there"?
Did they forget about '04-'09, and the other years?

we had 70 volt parade and the zooma tour