06/17/2012 Bader Field
Set 1: Brother, Runaway Jim, Dogs Stole Things, Boogie On Reggae Woman > NICU, Foam > Wilson > Timber (Jerry), Fluffhead, Walls of the Cave > Character Zero
Set 2: Drowned > Also Sprach Zarathustra > Reba, Roses Are Free > Chalk Dust Torture > Prince Caspian -> Silent in the Morning, Bug > A Day in the Life > Down with Disease
Encore: Gotta Jibboo > Quinn the Eskimo
Somebody had to start it... I just walked in my door in Austin having been in Pittsburgh all weekend for a wedding. I don't know about the show, but this looks like something that would have made it worthwhile...
According to Hidden Track:
AC night one: Venue Capacity / Attendance / Type: 35,000 / 23,000 (Estimate) / Large Outdoor Field
AC night two: Venue Capacity / Attendance / Type: 35,000 / 33,000 (Estimate) / Large Outdoor Field
AC night three: Venue Capacity / Attendance / Type: 35,000 / 15,000 (Estimate) / Large Outdoor Field
If that number is even close to true, how much fun was had in that field tonight. Room to breathe!! Fuck the haters. I would have loved that shit.
we had A LOT of room in the back.. was very excited for this show and got what i expected, i guess.. I was pretty upset when drowned ended, i feel like that could have been the worst drowned ever, very disapoiting.. however, 2001 was probably the best jam all weekend.. SUPER funky, a lot of fun..
oh and :wtu:
easily the weakest of the 3. Basically 2 first sets, and yes, the lamest drowned of all time.
I thought the first set was the best first set of the weekend though, and even though the second set had some weeeiird flow and song placement, the playing wasn't bad. I actually liked the Caspian>Silent... imagine that! I also thought the dwd closer raged.
sad it's all over!
Igot super excited when they started dwd, but it "never quite" got there.. i mean, i was really excited.. meh.. it was fun, it was rockin, but it didnt get there.. quinn was fun
I absolutely love this Reba.
There are certain parts that remind me of the Augusta 2010.
Man oh man :music:
Chilled with Gbl, mcgrupp, and my bots tonight. Aug's bro found us and took care of us all night. Show was fun but nothing special.
I'm going to keep coming back ass long as I am able to walk.
Thanks to all my Paug bros a great weekend. It was a blast.
Glad all you fools had a good time! Listening to the stream last night and was disappointed with the lack of any jam out of Drowned. AC3 was a step back imo. Hopefully they get back to the exploration in Portsmouth!
Quote from: Undermind on June 18, 2012, 07:43:13 AM
Glad all you fools had a good time! Listening to the stream last night and was disappointed with the lack of any jam out of Drowned. AC3 was a step back imo. Hopefully they get back to the exploration in Portsmouth!
Mr. Miner agrees. "Singlestown"
http://phishthoughts.com/2012/06/18/lazy-sunday/
Quote from: birdman on June 18, 2012, 01:09:09 AM
Chilled with Gbl, mcgrupp, and my bots tonight. Aug's bro found us and took care of us all night. Show was fun but nothing special.
I'm going to keep coming back ass long as I am able to walk.
Thanks to all my Paug bros a great weekend. It was a blast.
You've got robots!?
Quote from: phil on June 18, 2012, 03:56:09 PM
Quote from: birdman on June 18, 2012, 01:09:09 AM
Chilled with Gbl, mcgrupp, and my bots tonight. Aug's bro found us and took care of us all night. Show was fun but nothing special.
I'm going to keep coming back ass long as I am able to walk.
Thanks to all my Paug bros a great weekend. It was a blast.
You've got robots!?
He also said
back ass.
Quote from: Augustus on June 18, 2012, 03:58:55 PM
Quote from: phil on June 18, 2012, 03:56:09 PM
Quote from: birdman on June 18, 2012, 01:09:09 AM
Chilled with Gbl, mcgrupp, and my bots tonight. Aug's bro found us and took care of us all night. Show was fun but nothing special.
I'm going to keep coming back ass long as I am able to walk.
Thanks to all my Paug bros a great weekend. It was a blast.
You've got robots!?
He also said back ass.
Back ass robots!?
Drugs and iPhones are a tough combination.
Also, why do all the drugs I do sound like phish?
Quote from: birdman on June 18, 2012, 04:02:04 PM
Drugs and iPhones are a tough combination.
Also, why do all the drugs I do sound like phish?
Your drugs sound like a Plinko jam?!
MINT!
AC3 was kind of weird. The playing, however, was quite stellar; I have to say they brought the h33t. There was mad shit I wanted to hear again, especially the 2001 > Reba, both of which might be top 3.0 versions.
I mean it was weird; I didn't dance a lot during the 2nd set. I WIGGED out for Walls, so thankful for that again, and nobody else around me was bugging out. But boy oh boy when they started Character Zero, you'd think Trey just dropped Gamehendge.
Also, the crowd does not pay attention anymore. Its social hour. I was asked so many times "are you okay man, why aren't you talking to anybody" or "so did you come by yourself?" NO SHUT THE FUCK UP IM TRYING LISTEN TO THE FUCKING MUSIC. "DUDE YOU ARE JAMMING THE FUCK OUT" Yeah? Shut up and pay attention to the fucking music dillhole. Nobody cares about the fat chick you're trying to get to put your dick between.
Hotness highlights though:
Boogie On had a nice little jam
Timber was pretty gnarly I think
Foam was tight
Fluffhead peaked well
Zero was pretty badass with some Trey shred
Drowned - don't remember much
2001 - AWESOME
Reba - Incredible
Roses - no jam = serious buzzkill. Very poor decision by the band, imo. This was the Go or No Go point, I thought but....
Chalkdust - pretty incredible. This was so gnarly, tension everywhere. The lights were perfect. There was one point where I thought they finally unhinged it, and Trey was slinking low into the modulation, and the lights were black and strobing and somehow it found its way back to the ending.
Disease - wicked hot for being so short.
Jibboo - really sweet structured jam from Trey, didn't pick up super amounts of steam though.
wow...lamest attendance report I've seen so far.....15,000......so sad.
Gumbo, for as much as I appear to rag on ya....your previous post hit the nail on the head....
(Most)People aren't there for the music anymore. It's Phish Club.....and the first rule of Phish Club is there is no Phish.....just drugz and stupid shit that distracts from the music. Haters have been around since '95.....most of the haters that I know, don't like what it has become for that very reason.....no one listens to the music, it's just a thing to do on a night now....and that's the sad fact. Most of these Caspian kidz have never been at a show when the real heet was brought. They wouldn't know heet if it gave em 3rd degree burns. I personally think that's why the Haters are so vocal with the hate now.....they can't stand hearing people call slop heet when they aren't even paying attention to the music being played. While it may be good by their inexperienced ears, folks who have felt the heet know otherwise.
Arre they playing well? Yes. Are they playing consistantly? Kinda. Have they brought the heet? Nope.
Personally, I'd be more happy if they came on stage and just did 1 full set of ambient noize vs. the blue ball inducing stuff they're playing now......
Quote from: Marmar on June 18, 2012, 09:35:57 PM
wow...lamest attendance report I've seen so far.....15,000......so sad.
Gumbo, for as much as I appear to rag on ya....your previous post hit the nail on the head....
(Most)People aren't there for the music anymore. It's Phish Club.....and the first rule of Phish Club is there is no Phish.....just drugz and stupid shit that distracts from the music. Haters have been around since '95.....most of the haters that I know, don't like what it has become for that very reason.....no one listens to the music, it's just a thing to do on a night now....and that's the sad fact. Most of these Caspian kidz have never been at a show when the real heet was brought. They wouldn't know heet if it gave em 3rd degree burns. I personally think that's why the Haters are so vocal with the hate now.....they can't stand hearing people call slop heet when they aren't even paying attention to the music being played. While it may be good by their inexperienced ears, folks who have felt the heet know otherwise.
Arre they playing well? Yes. Are they playing consistantly? Kinda. Have they brought the heet? Nope.
Personally, I'd be more happy if they came on stage and just did 1 full set of ambient noize vs. the blue ball inducing stuff they're playing now......
Not sure about AC because I wasn't there, but the crowd in Worcester was the most attentive I have witnessed in some time. Just sayin'. Anybody else that went to Worcester notice that?
I just don't get it sometimes. I've spent nearly my entire life studying music and playing in bands very similar to their style of improvisation and what Phish is doing today still blows me away almost every time I see them.
It's not like it used to be at all -- nothing is HEET like the 90's, but the "special" connection between the 4 of them is still there. No other rock band out there improvises like them -- to me they are still one cohesive unit jamming as a whole and constantly bouncing music phrases around between each other. Mike is KILLING it, at the top of his game, imo. The jams are short and mostly rocky (which is unfortunate) but their is still so much impressive musicianship to be witnessed. Trey is still so great at theme and development, and his connection with Fishman is still there. Even in, say the C&P from AC, which, yes... was a generic rock, tension/release jam... there is such awesome things happening musically. they are 4 fucking incredible musicians playing together! Is anyone here as good as them at their instruments? I doubt it. I'm no where near as good as Fishman, so how could I not be impressed watching him? I learn things from watching this band every show.
I totally understand the frustrations people have with the current music. I wish it was what it used to be like too... or I at least wish they were more explorative with their jams, progressing at a faster rate, and making a better attempt at extending their song catalog -- but I still see the impressive musicianship between them... I still hear PHISH. the same four guys the play the the same awesome songs and improvise in a way only they can.
I don't get why AC1 isn't getting more love, I thought that second set was top shelf 3.0.
Quote from: Hicks on June 19, 2012, 12:26:56 AM
I don't get why AC1 isn't getting more love, I thought that second set was top shelf 3.0.
ME TOO!
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on June 19, 2012, 12:14:28 AM
I just don't get it sometimes. I've spent nearly my entire life studying music and playing in bands very similar to their style of improvisation and what Phish is doing today still blows me away almost every time I see them.
It's not like it used to be at all -- nothing is HEET like the 90's, but the "special" connection between the 4 of them is still there. No other rock band out there improvises like them -- to me they are still one cohesive unit jamming as a whole and constantly bouncing music phrases around between each other. Mike is KILLING it, at the top of his game, imo. The jams are short and mostly rocky (which is unfortunate) but their is still so much impressive musicianship to be witnessed. Trey is still so great at theme and development, and his connection with Fishman is still there. Even in, say the C&P from AC, which, yes... was a generic rock, tension/release jam... there is such awesome things happening musically. they are 4 fucking incredible musicians playing together! Is anyone here as good as them at their instruments? I doubt it. I'm no where near as good as Fishman, so how could I not be impressed watching him? I learn things from watching this band every show.
I totally understand the frustrations people have with the current music. I wish it was what it used to be like too... or I at least wish they were more explorative with their jams, progressing at a faster rate, and making a better attempt at extending their song catalog -- but I still see the impressive musicianship between them... I still hear PHISH. the same four guys the play the the same awesome songs and improvise in a way only they can.
My main issue with the band isn't that they aren't "bringing the h33t" It is that it is now....2012 and they have been back together since 2009.
Its four years in and there really hasn't been ANY progress in style....I know it has been stated before but it bares repeating....1993-1997! Now that was musical progress and prowess!
That is why I love this band.......I know you have seen a lot of shows and I know you love them just as much as anyone I have ever met scotty....and yes, that feeling you get when you are under those lights (sober OR not) and trey is treyin out super hard is like none of other on the planet.....but I honestly feel that when you and I saw at that kimock/worrell show before I left......
That was improv.....
The Boys cant keep up with that anymore.
It's not The Paug that turned me hater.....it was the band.
Meh, Kimock was amazing but it didn't touch any of the Phish shows I just saw (or have ever seen, for that matter)
What bugs me most is the real disregard for setlist flow. Trey must know that playing 3 straight ballads in the second set of the final night of a 3 night run is going to be a real buzzkill.
If the new style is rock/peak and they're going to stick with it, putting songs in the "right" order would go a long way into making the shows more listenable and enjoyable.
Quote from: Marmar on June 18, 2012, 09:35:57 PM
wow...lamest attendance report I've seen so far.....15,000......so sad.
Gumbo, for as much as I appear to rag on ya....your previous post hit the nail on the head....
(Most)People aren't there for the music anymore. It's Phish Club.....and the first rule of Phish Club is there is no Phish.....just drugz and stupid shit that distracts from the music. Haters have been around since '95.....most of the haters that I know, don't like what it has become for that very reason.....no one listens to the music, it's just a thing to do on a night now....and that's the sad fact. Most of these Caspian kidz have never been at a show when the real heet was brought. They wouldn't know heet if it gave em 3rd degree burns. I personally think that's why the Haters are so vocal with the hate now.....they can't stand hearing people call slop heet when they aren't even paying attention to the music being played. While it may be good by their inexperienced ears, folks who have felt the heet know otherwise.
Arre they playing well? Yes. Are they playing consistantly? Kinda. Have they brought the heet? Nope.
Personally, I'd be more happy if they came on stage and just did 1 full set of ambient noize vs. the blue ball inducing stuff they're playing now......
Money! :clap:
Quote from: mattstick on June 19, 2012, 07:58:25 AM
What bugs me most is the real disregard for setlist flow. Trey must know that playing 3 straight ballads in the second set of the final night of a 3 night run is going to be a real buzzkill.
If the new style is rock/peak and they're going to stick with it, putting songs in the "right" order would go a long way into making the shows more listenable and enjoyable.
Exactly! That's one of the reasons 6/7/12 Set 2 was so good to me. The flow was perfect imo. Plus I'm a huge If I could fan, as far as ballads go.
Quote from: mattstick on June 19, 2012, 07:58:25 AM
What bugs me most is the real disregard for setlist flow. Trey must know that playing 3 straight ballads in the second set of the final night of a 3 night run is going to be a real buzzkill.
If the new style is rock/peak and they're going to stick with it, putting songs in the "right" order would go a long way into making the shows more listenable and enjoyable.
This I can totally get behind.
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on June 19, 2012, 02:11:40 AM
Meh, Kimock was amazing but it didn't touch any of the Phish shows I just saw (or have ever seen, for that matter)
Phish could literally abort a baby on stage and launch the lifeless fetus out of a canon while shooting off fireworks and you'd find a way to say it's still better than anything performed by any other band. Come on dude. Your absolutism to this band is mind baffling at times. It's okay to say they suck and that someone plays better.
admit you hate phish scott!
I can't help what I think dude. It's as if you are accusing me of lying or something, which is quite silly.
I'm sorry you can't understand why I am more impressed with Phish than Kimock and that frustrates you.. but it is what I feel, and it's what I hear. You might think Phish sucks, but that is not a fact. I'm not saying anything against Kimock - dude kills it, and if you read my recent review of his show you'd know that I had only good things to say about it. Just didn't come close to impressing me like Phish does and I feel I have plenty of valid reasons to feel so.
I could flip this same argument around on you Ramz regarding Animal Collective. The fact that you find their live shows better than Phish completely perplexes, yet... it's what you think, and you feel that you have very valid reasons to feel that way. I don't get it... but it doesn't mean you're "wrong"..
I'm not saying you are lying. What I am saying is that it doesn't take much to hear that what goes on in a Kimock jam is much more complex than anything Phish is doing these days. And what you like more doesn't translate to being better musicianship. That's all. It's okay to admit that Phish has reached a level of inferior musicianship to other live acts.
I disagree with that statement. I do not feel Phish is inferior to other live acts today.
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on June 19, 2012, 01:20:35 PM
I disagree with that statement. I do not feel Phish is inferior to other live acts today.
and that's my point exactly. You think this because you like it more, not because they actually are.
Sometimes its like, critics, you know, its like whats the deal? Sometimes its like they're almost offended by the fact that so many people would be enjoying something that they don't like.
Quote from: sophist on June 19, 2012, 01:23:13 PM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on June 19, 2012, 01:20:35 PM
I disagree with that statement. I do not feel Phish is inferior to other live acts today.
and that's my point exactly. You think this because you like it more, not because they actually are.
Actually, I like Phish more because I ACTUALLY feel they are the best. But I understand that you have different opinion and would never be able to agree with that assessment and that is just fine. We have different opinions on what music is "best" -- that's not very shocking for me to understand...
I do find it ironic that people argue in a virtual world over whose sense of reality is more true.
Quote from: goodabouthood on June 19, 2012, 02:06:16 PM
I do find it ironic that people argue in a virtual world over whose sense of reality is more true.
:clap: +k
honestly, it is a discussion forum and it would be pretty boring if we all agreed. a slong as we keep it civil, it's ok to read every once in a while. I get sick of it after a while though.
I've actually enjoyed this tour but I still have 2 more AC shows to listen to.
I've clearly lowered the bar and I'm clearly not dropping the cash for 10 shows a tour anymore, but not only has it been fun, I've enjoyed the music.
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on June 19, 2012, 01:31:17 PM
Sometimes its like, critics, you know, its like whats the deal? Sometimes its like they're almost offended by the fact that so many people would be enjoying something that they don't like.
I lol'ed.
Also did this :-) at all this Kimock talk. I thought RJ and I were the only ones who listened to him on this board.
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on June 19, 2012, 01:31:17 PM
Sometimes its like, critics, you know, its like whats the deal? Sometimes its like they're almost offended by the fact that so many people would be enjoying something that they don't like.
It's not about liking or not liking it. That's not the debate. I think you're missing what I am getting at as well.
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on June 19, 2012, 01:59:17 PM
Quote from: sophist on June 19, 2012, 01:23:13 PM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on June 19, 2012, 01:20:35 PM
I disagree with that statement. I do not feel Phish is inferior to other live acts today.
and that's my point exactly. You think this because you like it more, not because they actually are.
Actually, I like Phish more because I ACTUALLY feel they are the best. But I understand that you have different opinion and would never be able to agree with that assessment and that is just fine. We have different opinions on what music is "best" -- that's not very shocking for me to understand...
Scott, again, I don't think you're grasping what I am getting at here. It's not about what you like best. That's not the debate. I've never been one to tell you or anyone for that matter what to like. That isn't what I am driving at here. I have my own preferences as well. Just because one likes something doesn't make it the best it can be. It just means you like it. You draw no difference in that when there is a big difference. What I look for in music or what you look for in music are subject to what we want out of it. And again, that isn't what I am driving at, what I am driving at is recognizing that while something may not be your cup of tea or what you want, it is and can be better. And that's not debatable. Phish isn't nearly as tight as they could be. We could count the flubs each show and calculate an error percentage from the total number of notes if we wanted to do so, that's objective. There is no debating they play a lot of slop these days, or that it could be better. You've even said so yourself that the musical bar has been lowered. With that logic, to me, it's very telling in that I see a clear difference between what should be and what actually comes from the stage.
How you feel about the slop, that's on you. And that's fine if someone likes or dislikes how they play their music. What I see is a problem is a failure to recognize that people are playing their music better than how Phish plays their music. I saw the Boss this year, I'm not a fan at all, but when I look at what he does, how the show unfolds, and the overall presentation I can't deny that he puts on a better show than Phish. Would I rather see a shitty 3.0 show over Springsteen? Yes. No hesitation on my end to answer that question. That's my point.
Quote from: goodabouthood on June 19, 2012, 02:06:16 PM
I do find it ironic that people argue in a virtual world over whose sense of reality is more true.
This isn't about my or Scott's sense of reality, it's not a preference style argument. No where in here am I saying my vantage point of one band or the other is more correct. What I think of 3.0 is moot to this discussion, same with how Scott feels about it. What I am getting at is the idea of recognizing that just because something isn't your musical cup of tea doesn't make it inferior. I think there is a bung load of live music out there that matches and surpasses the Phish concert experience, and it's about going into a show understanding that what you get is a product of that band and their delivery. And that's how it should be gauged, not based on who brings the dissident funk or the type II jams or what an individual wants to hear.
Sophist, your post is way too long to read but I am sure what I am about to say you'd agree with.
We all know where on the spectrum scott will fall on 3.0 shows. We all know where aug will fall.
Music taste is so subjective. What I take from this board is I can name the 3 or 4 people that meet my music taste the closest and if I see them recommend something, I'll probably check it out. I'll still listen to make my own judgement though.
We've all been here long enough to know who feels how about what and we all know that people's opinions are not going to change.
personally, I like :wtu: but I think our musical taste is very different. that's not the reason I hate him though. I hate him because the jauntee won't cover moe. just one song.
I'm not really grasping your point Sophist. Your saying we could calculate the amount of mistakes in a Phish show and that would objectively tell us that it is worse or better than another live acts show? You think Bruce is a "better" live act than phish simply because he plays his repetoire with less mistakes? I guess I'm just not seeing that. To me, nailing compositions is only one tiny part of what makes a live show "good".
I have no problem admitting Phish is far past their prime. But I'm not comparing Phish against themselves when deciding who is the best act around.
As much as going back and forth on this stuff is useless, if somebody watched both the Radiohead and Phish Bonnaroo webcasts and concluded that the Phish show was the"better" of the two, then this is all I have to say to that:
(http://i.imgur.com/oo35Z.gif)
Quote from: Hicks on June 19, 2012, 03:42:34 PM
As much as going back and forth on this stuff is useless, if somebody watched both the Radiohead and Phish Bonnaroo webcasts and concluded that the Phish show was the"better" of the two, then this is all I have to say to that:
(http://i.imgur.com/oo35Z.gif)
love that gif
I thought Phish was all about the *LUV*, guys? :cry:
I'm quitting message boards forever.
Pretty much because of Sophist.
Quote from: gainesvillegreen on June 19, 2012, 02:21:47 PM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on June 19, 2012, 01:31:17 PM
Sometimes its like, critics, you know, its like whats the deal? Sometimes its like they're almost offended by the fact that so many people would be enjoying something that they don't like.
I lol'ed.
Also did this :-) at all this Kimock talk. I thought RJ and I were the only ones who listened to him on this board.
So him a couple of months ago and he kicked ass. As with :wtu:, I'll take Phish over him any day of the week though. (3.0 included)
I really enjoyed the 2001 from this show. It was a lot like the Worcester Sand, just a total dance party.
Reba is holding up to repeated listens.
Quote from: gainesvillegreen on June 19, 2012, 06:54:33 PM
Reba is holding up to repeated listens.
Yup. Definitely a quality version.
Quote from: Undermind on June 19, 2012, 04:12:02 PM
Quote from: gainesvillegreen on June 19, 2012, 02:21:47 PM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on June 19, 2012, 01:31:17 PM
Sometimes its like, critics, you know, its like whats the deal? Sometimes its like they're almost offended by the fact that so many people would be enjoying something that they don't like.
I lol'ed.
Also did this :-) at all this Kimock talk. I thought RJ and I were the only ones who listened to him on this board.
So him a couple of months ago and he kicked ass. As with :wtu:, I'll take Phish over him any day of the week though. (3.0 included)
I love kimock's playing but I think his overall work suffers from the impermance of his band.
Dude alway plays amazingly and you do get really choice collaborations but his most consistently mind-blowing work was with static groups such as Zero, KVHW (tho KVHH was an amazing exception) and the early SKB lineups.
December 2000 @ the Wetlands was some of the most amazing music I have ever witnessed.
But aside from those I just mentioned, few of his bands have the sympathic connections that Phish demonstrates in their peak years. Phish, however, is a long way from their peak years.
https://vimeo.com/44418442
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KC0mcvvHqZw&feature=player_embedded