Wow.
Not sure if this is true, but that's what people are saying.
Sad in so many ways.
no confirmation of death on the news broadcast that im watching....
Quote from: guyforget on June 25, 2009, 05:46:49 PM
no confirmation of death on the news broadcast that im watching....
I guess you have to believe TMZ. I'm not a fan of the site, but they are almost never wrong. They break this celebrity shit fast.
topics merged
it does sound like he's dead
no surprise that the family would prefer to withhold confirmation
but it definitely sounds like he's either deceased or in very critical condition, like, not gonna come back from this in 100% condition.
Quote from: guyforget on June 25, 2009, 05:50:49 PM
it does sound like he's dead
no surprise that the family would prefer to withhold confirmation
but it definitely sounds like he's either deceased or in very critical condition, like, not gonna come back from this in 100% condition.
I agree. If I was a betting man I'm be placing my chips with dead. Too bad.
Think Hood, 10-21-95. That's how I'll grieve.
Crazy how these things always happen in groups. First D.C. then Ed McMahon, then F.F., now M.J. Just earlier today I was listening to :phish: 10-29-95 when they played the riff to Beat It!
Seems to be official now...
http://omg.yahoo.com/news/pop-star-michael-jackson-dead-report/24333?nc (http://omg.yahoo.com/news/pop-star-michael-jackson-dead-report/24333?nc)
QuoteLOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Pop giant Michael Jackson, who took to the stage as a child star and went on to set the world dancing to the thumping rhythms of his music for decades, died Thursday, TMZ website reported. He was 50.
"We've just learned Michael Jackson has died," TMZ said.
"Michael suffered a cardiac arrest earlier this afternoon and paramedics were unable to revive him. We're told when paramedics arrived Jackson had no pulse and they never got a pulse back," the entertainment site said.
There was no official confirmation of the reported death and spokespersons for Jackson could not be reached for comment.
Earlier, the Los Angeles Times said that the singer had been rushed to a Los Angeles-area hospital by fire department paramedics who found him not breathing when they arrived at the singer's home.
The newspaper said paramedics performed cardiopulmonary resuscitation at the scene before taking him to the UCLA Medical Center hospital.
Jackson had been due to start a series of comeback concerts in London on July 13 running until March 2010. The singer, whose hits include "Thriller" and "Billie Jean," had been rehearsing in the Los Angeles area for the past two months.
The shows for the 50 London concerts sold out within hours of going on sale in March.
Jackson started out as a child star in the band "The Jackson 5" more than 40 years ago.
He has lived as a virtual recluse since his acquittal in 2005 on charges of child molestation.
There have been concerns about Jackson's health in recent years but the promoters of the London shows, AEG Live, said in March that Jackson had passed a 4-1/2 hour physical examination with independent doctors.
L.A. Times is reporting that he's in a coma.
Quote from: ytowndan on June 25, 2009, 06:05:39 PM
Seems to be official now...
http://omg.yahoo.com/news/pop-star-michael-jackson-dead-report/24333?nc (http://omg.yahoo.com/news/pop-star-michael-jackson-dead-report/24333?nc)
QuoteLOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Pop giant Michael Jackson, who took to the stage as a child star and went on to set the world dancing to the thumping rhythms of his music for decades, died Thursday, TMZ website reported. He was 50.
"We've just learned Michael Jackson has died," TMZ said.
"Michael suffered a cardiac arrest earlier this afternoon and paramedics were unable to revive him. We're told when paramedics arrived Jackson had no pulse and they never got a pulse back," the entertainment site said.
There was no official confirmation of the reported death and spokespersons for Jackson could not be reached for comment.
Earlier, the Los Angeles Times said that the singer had been rushed to a Los Angeles-area hospital by fire department paramedics who found him not breathing when they arrived at the singer's home.
The newspaper said paramedics performed cardiopulmonary resuscitation at the scene before taking him to the UCLA Medical Center hospital.
Jackson had been due to start a series of comeback concerts in London on July 13 running until March 2010. The singer, whose hits include "Thriller" and "Billie Jean," had been rehearsing in the Los Angeles area for the past two months.
The shows for the 50 London concerts sold out within hours of going on sale in March.
Jackson started out as a child star in the band "The Jackson 5" more than 40 years ago.
He has lived as a virtual recluse since his acquittal in 2005 on charges of child molestation.
There have been concerns about Jackson's health in recent years but the promoters of the London shows, AEG Live, said in March that Jackson had passed a 4-1/2 hour physical examination with independent doctors.
But Reuters is attributing the death to TMZ, which is the only media outlet to confirm it.
yep, still only tmz confirming death, any other source quoting them is only as reliable as they are.
i dont even know wtf tmz is, but my lady says that theyre always on top of this kinda thing and rarely, if ever, are wrong when it comes to celebrity affairs.
L.A. Times just reported on MSNBC that he's in a coma.
I have no idea what/who TMZ is either. Either way it isn't looking good for him.
i'm not taking TMZ as a reliable news source.
Quote from: guyforget on June 25, 2009, 06:09:01 PM
yep, still only tmz confirming death, any other source quoting them is only as reliable as they are.
i dont even know wtf tmz is, but my lady says that theyre always on top of this kinda thing and rarely, if ever, are wrong when it comes to celebrity affairs.
L.A. Times just reported on MSNBC that he's in a coma.
I work in the media, and I can tell you that TMZ is a very authoritative source for entertainment news.
All the news channels are reporting that it's a coma.
L.A. Times now reporting that he's dead. RIP.
Quote from: flow00 on June 25, 2009, 05:55:53 PM
Think Hood, 10-21-95. That's how I'll grieve.
F that, listen to the real deal.
Quote from: Hicks on June 25, 2009, 06:14:49 PM
Quote from: flow00 on June 25, 2009, 05:55:53 PM
Think Hood, 10-21-95. That's how I'll grieve.
F that, listen to the real deal.
go reba or bowie
msnbc.com is also reporting death... CNN just mentioned it on the tele as well.
Quote from: flow00 on June 25, 2009, 06:17:06 PM
Quote from: MiamiPhish on June 25, 2009, 06:15:35 PM
Quote from: Hicks on June 25, 2009, 06:14:49 PM
Quote from: flow00 on June 25, 2009, 05:55:53 PM
Think Hood, 10-21-95. That's how I'll grieve.
F that, listen to the real deal.
go reba or bowie
What are the real deals?
(http://rockcandymountain.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/thriller2.jpg)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_xEKcUm4jkbU/R2Rnccgi1PI/AAAAAAAABrI/xupHGfuBjZA/s400/Michael_Jackson-Off_The_Wall-Frontal.jpg)
::throws on Invincible::
I got both on vinyl. I'll be home with a glass of wine, a weight in my heart and a tear in my eye.
When I was 9, my mom painted my face black, and I wore the red leather jacket and pants with buttons for Halloween. What I wouldn't do to return to those days. :cry:
Quote from: flow00 on June 25, 2009, 06:21:42 PM
When I was 9, my mom painted my face black, and I wore the red leather jacket and pants with buttons for Halloween. What I wouldn't do to return to those days. :cry:
:wtu:
i can remember all the neighborhood kids doing the 'beat it' dance at the july 4 parade in my neighborhood, lol
How about we keep this thread free from sarcasm, thanks.
Quote from: Hicks on June 25, 2009, 06:28:03 PM
How about we keep this thread free from sarcasm, thanks.
It
is Micheal Jackson.
He was a huge fan.
Quote from: *¡DYNAMITE!* on June 25, 2009, 06:30:36 PM
Quote from: Hicks on June 25, 2009, 06:28:03 PM
How about we keep this thread free from sarcasm, thanks.
It is Micheal Jackson.
He was a huge fan.
Who wasn't?
Does this confirm Thriller on Halloween?
just found out while having dinner at the olive garden
Quote from: metalzone58 on June 25, 2009, 06:35:34 PM
just found out while haveing dinner at the olive garden
Quote from: Hicks on June 25, 2009, 06:28:03 PM
How about we keep this thread free from sarcasm, thanks.
:roll:
C'mon...everyone knew that Micheal was a horrible speller.
Looks like this is threatening to crash twitter's servers, it's crawling right now.
:-o :-o :-o
MTV is actually playing MJ (videos)!
Michael Jackson was probably pretty critical to MTV's early success.
Quote from: guyforget on June 25, 2009, 06:47:04 PM
Michael Jackson was probably pretty critical to MTV's early success.
Not to mention that he was one of the greatest performers of the 20th Century and deserves tribute and respect, regardless of his problems in his later years.
Quote from: *¡DYNAMITE!* on June 25, 2009, 06:44:25 PM
:-o :-o :-o
MTV is actually playing MJ (videos)!
Wow they actually still even have them to play! You know it's a big deal if they are actually playing videos!
RIP yo.
R.I.P.
Got Thriller on here now.
Pulled out the record before I even got a beverage.
Quote from: Hicks on June 25, 2009, 06:51:20 PM
Not to mention that he was one of the greatest performers of the 20th Century and deserves tribute and respect, regardless of his problems in his later years.
QFT..
Fuck the haters!
Quote from: GBL on June 25, 2009, 07:37:05 PM
Quote from: Hicks on June 25, 2009, 06:51:20 PM
Not to mention that he was one of the greatest performers of the 20th Century and deserves tribute and respect, regardless of his problems in his later years.
QFT..
Fuck the haters!
I agree, and I disagree. I love Michael Jackson as a performer, and I'm sad that he died. But dOOd, "five year olds".
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on June 25, 2009, 07:40:27 PM
Quote from: GBL on June 25, 2009, 07:37:05 PM
Quote from: Hicks on June 25, 2009, 06:51:20 PM
Not to mention that he was one of the greatest performers of the 20th Century and deserves tribute and respect, regardless of his problems in his later years.
QFT..
Fuck the haters!
I agree, and I disagree. I love Michael Jackson as a performer, and I'm sad that he died. But dOOd, "five year olds".
yeah I'm not trying to stir up shit here, but if there was any shred of truth to the allegations leveled at him for years, then no, he does not deserve an ounce of respect, no matter how great his music was.
Quote from: blatboom on June 25, 2009, 07:44:50 PM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on June 25, 2009, 07:40:27 PM
Quote from: GBL on June 25, 2009, 07:37:05 PM
Quote from: Hicks on June 25, 2009, 06:51:20 PM
Not to mention that he was one of the greatest performers of the 20th Century and deserves tribute and respect, regardless of his problems in his later years.
QFT..
Fuck the haters!
I agree, and I disagree. I love Michael Jackson as a performer, and I'm sad that he died. But dOOd, "five year olds".
yeah I'm not trying to stir up shit here, but if there was any shred of truth to the allegations leveled at him for years, then no, he does not deserve an ounce of respect, no matter how great his music was.
Drink some
Jesus Juice in honor of his memory. He was the embodiment of so much that is wrong with western society and maybe a tiny little bit of good.
Shakespeare would of loved this; a brilliant tragic comedy.
THINK PEOPLE.......YOU DON'T SETTLE FOR 20 MILLION UNLESS YOU ARE GUILTY
r.i.p. :cry:
MJ led a pretty tragic life. RIP.
Is this one of those zeitgeist moments in history, where everyone remembers where they were? Because I was in front of my computer. I'm pretty sure, for the rest of my life, no celebrity will die without me finding out in front of my computer.
Actually, I think this might be one of those moments, in that it requires everyone to man up and think about the ultimate question:
"How can I balance the great music he put out--let's say pre-1990--with the weird, freaky-ass, potential child-molester loony that he's been for the last ~20 years?"
Before, everyone could just separate the two.
Biggest celeb death since Princess Diana?
Quote from: mattstick on June 25, 2009, 09:21:09 PM
Biggest celeb death since Princess Diana?
His death will resonate globally.
He remains hugely popular, moreso even than in the US these days, elsewhere in the world.
paug is dead tonight. Everyone is listening to thriller instead.
I'm watching MTV's pathetic tribute program and eating ice cream.
I'm watching Wrath of Khan.
Quote from: blatboom on June 25, 2009, 09:50:02 PM
I'm watching Wrath of Khan.
But Snoop just called in to MTV.
Shaq gave his condolences to the Jackson family on ESPN before he would talk about the trade.
Quote from: blatboom on June 25, 2009, 09:50:02 PM
I'm watching Wrath of Khan.
(http://www.toybender.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/khan.jpg)
anyway, RIP, MJ.
George Carlin Mark Twain Award presentation is on PBS so I'm moving on.
Quote from: blatboom on June 25, 2009, 09:50:02 PM
I'm watching Wrath of Khan.
Ha! I had it on for a few min, but I can't start anything if it's not from the beginning. Guess I'll throw Thriller on now.
Honestly, I know it is in the wake of death, but I can't get past the kid fucking/molesting. So I am not moved at all by his death, and I won't miss him. He made some incredible albums, but his transgressions won't allow me to view him as anything other than a spoiled celebrity that got away with such behavior.
I know some of you will say too soon, and that a mourning process is required, but I just had to speak my mind.
I was watching some of his videos earlier on uTube and I prefer the Weird Al versions!
Quote from: mattstick on June 25, 2009, 09:05:31 PM
MJ led a pretty tragic life. RIP.
honestly, I was never a fan of his (one of the few people to never buy a couple of Thriller) but obviously it's a huge loss. I suspect he was a tortured soul on many levels.
Both Shamkiah Copeland and Susan Tedeschi paid tribute to him (and Koko Taylor) tonight.
RIP
so does this crack the top 5 musicians to die in my lifetime? I think so......
In no particular order
Sinatra
Marley
Garcia
Jackson
Cobain
:?
Who am I missing?
RIP
Quote from: mattstick on June 25, 2009, 09:21:09 PM
Biggest celeb death since Princess Diana?
does the pope count?
MTV sucks... but earlier as all the "is he dead or not" was coming thru the news, they had a great back to back to back video montage of MJ's videos.... THAT was the MTV i remember...
rip.
(plus i liked the fact when i texted my mom that MJ died, her response was... "Micheal Jordan?!!?!? oh no!!!!!" ) :)
Quote from: antelope19 on June 26, 2009, 12:34:09 AM
so does this crack the top 5 musicians to die in my lifetime? I think so......
In no particular order
Sinatra
Marley
Garcia
Jackson
Cobain
:?
Who am I missing?
RIP
Lennon
Quote from: guyforget on June 25, 2009, 06:47:04 PM
Michael Jackson was probably pretty critical to MTV's early success.
agreed.
the first dance i learned whe i was 7 in jazz class was the Beat It moves. i can still do them to this day....
man what a week for the entertainment world...
Quote from: ytowndan on June 26, 2009, 12:44:34 AM
Quote from: antelope19 on June 26, 2009, 12:34:09 AM
so does this crack the top 5 musicians to die in my lifetime? I think so......
In no particular order
Sinatra
Marley
Garcia
Jackson
Cobain
:?
Who am I missing?
RIP
Lennon
wow....thank you. Don't know how I missed that one. Cobain gets bumped!
Quote from: Sophist on June 25, 2009, 11:43:20 PM
Honestly, I know it is in the wake of death, but I can't get past the kid fucking/molesting. So I am not moved at all by his death, and I won't miss him. He made some incredible albums, but his transgressions won't allow me to view him as anything other than a spoiled celebrity that got away with such behavior.
I know some of you will say too soon, and that a mourning process is required, but I just had to speak my mind.
i feel the same way. it's one thing upon a celebrity's death to say, well, forget about the last 25 years of crap artistic output, let's remember the great stuff... but the guy was a child molester. as someone pointed out earlier in the thread, the MJ worthy of respect died a long time ago.
Flame me if you want to people, but I honestly think it was greedy parents taking advantage of the fact that he was stupid enough to come out with his "I want to be a kid, etc, etc" crap. They came at him with everything they had, and what happened?
IMO, the only thing he's guilty of is being odd.
Quote from: ytowndan on June 26, 2009, 12:57:32 AM
Flame me if you want to people, but I honestly think it was greedy parents taking advantage of the fact that he was stupid enough to come out with his "I want to be a kid, etc, etc" crap. They came at him with everything they had, and what happened?
IMO, the only thing he's guilty of is being odd.
i'm with Dan on this one... hate all you want, but hicks made a great comment... he helped set the bar for what music videos could/should be.
between him and madonna, every video had THAT to live up to.
on a similar note, mike got flack for whatever the pictures were on his hard drive, but you guys still listen to and respect his music he's part of.... right?
Who knows what really happened, nothing was ever proven in a court of law.
But clearly he was a very sick man.
Does that diminish his artistic achievements? Not for me.
I'm sure I'd have to toss out half my record collection if I only listened to music produced by morally pure, or even decent, individuals.
Quote from: Hicks on June 26, 2009, 01:31:37 AM
Who knows what really happened, nothing was ever proven in a court of law.
But clearly he was a very sick man.
Does that diminish his artistic achievements? Not for me.
I'm sure I'd have to toss out half my record collection if I only listened to music produced by morally pure, or even decent, individuals.
That's a good point. Unfortunately, I don't see him as having positively affected the music industry. I think the type of commercialism that he ushered in, with the obvious help of Quincy Jones, helped ruin the 80's musically and left a tremendously negative footprint on the music industry. But it should be noted that I never watched MTV nor was it ever important in my life, I thought it was trash.
Quote from: alcoholandcoffeebeans on June 26, 2009, 01:11:52 AM
on a similar note, mike got flack for whatever the pictures were on his hard drive, but you guys still listen to and respect his music he's part of.... right?
Good analogy. Mike Gordon is probably weirder than MJ.
RIP :cry:
RIP :cry:
Quote from: Superfreakie on June 26, 2009, 04:27:21 AM
Quote from: Hicks on June 26, 2009, 01:31:37 AM
Who knows what really happened, nothing was ever proven in a court of law.
But clearly he was a very sick man.
Does that diminish his artistic achievements? Not for me.
I'm sure I'd have to toss out half my record collection if I only listened to music produced by morally pure, or even decent, individuals.
That's a good point. Unfortunately, I don't see him as having positively affected the music industry. I think the type of commercialism that he ushered in, with the obvious help of Quincy Jones, helped ruin the 80's musically and left a tremendously negative footprint on the music industry. But it should be noted that I never watched MTV nor was it ever important in my life, I thought it was trash.
Well said Superfreakie.
Quote from: Superfreakie on June 26, 2009, 04:27:21 AM
That's a good point. Unfortunately, I don't see him as having positively affected the music industry. I think the type of commercialism that he ushered in, with the obvious help of Quincy Jones, helped ruin the 80's musically and left a tremendously negative footprint on the music industry. But it should be noted that I never watched MTV nor was it ever important in my life, I thought it was trash.
Just out of curiosity, how old are you?
Michael and Quincy did nothing but service to the music world. The record labels are the ones who committed crimes upon the industry.
Off The Wall and Thriller (and to a lesser extent, Bad) are hugely very significant records that have influenced a huge swath of the next generations of musicians in rock, hip hop, r&b, and pop.
Is some of that subsequent music crap? Yes. But there's always been crap. Always will be, too.
As for MTV
I remember watching Rolling Stones videos on MTV as a kid.
Not entirely trash... (back in the day)
/just sayin'
Quote from: antelope19 on June 26, 2009, 12:47:05 AM
Quote from: ytowndan on June 26, 2009, 12:44:34 AM
Quote from: antelope19 on June 26, 2009, 12:34:09 AM
so does this crack the top 5 musicians to die in my lifetime? I think so......
In no particular order
Sinatra
Marley
Garcia
Jackson
Cobain
:?
Who am I missing?
RIP
Lennon
wow....thank you. Don't know how I missed that one. Cobain gets bumped!
f that. bump sinatra! doobydoobydooooo.... :-P
Quote from: mattstick on June 26, 2009, 06:27:37 AM
Quote from: alcoholandcoffeebeans on June 26, 2009, 01:11:52 AM
on a similar note, mike got flack for whatever the pictures were on his hard drive, but you guys still listen to and respect his music he's part of.... right?
Good analogy. Mike Gordon is probably weirder than MJ.
Yup just because Mike only got caught once, doesn't mean that was the only time he was a sketchball.
Quote from: Hicks on June 26, 2009, 10:53:06 AM
Quote from: mattstick on June 26, 2009, 06:27:37 AM
Quote from: alcoholandcoffeebeans on June 26, 2009, 01:11:52 AM
on a similar note, mike got flack for whatever the pictures were on his hard drive, but you guys still listen to and respect his music he's part of.... right?
Good analogy. Mike Gordon is probably weirder than MJ.
Yup just because Mike only got caught once, doesn't mean that was the only time he was a sketchball.
This analogy is flawed. Gordo didn't go to court, which means there wasn't enough evidence to suspect him of doing anything wrong, Jackson did go to court.
Quote from: Sophist on June 26, 2009, 11:50:00 AM
Quote from: Hicks on June 26, 2009, 10:53:06 AM
Quote from: mattstick on June 26, 2009, 06:27:37 AM
Quote from: alcoholandcoffeebeans on June 26, 2009, 01:11:52 AM
on a similar note, mike got flack for whatever the pictures were on his hard drive, but you guys still listen to and respect his music he's part of.... right?
Good analogy. Mike Gordon is probably weirder than MJ.
Yup just because Mike only got caught once, doesn't mean that was the only time he was a sketchball.
This analogy is flawed. Gordo didn't go to court, which means there wasn't enough evidence to suspect him of doing anything wrong, Jackson did go to court.
Come on with the Gordon references. :? Sophist said it right. No evidence. One incident that seemed pretty innocent to me. Gordon is eccentric. Not a criminal.
Quote from: Sophist on June 26, 2009, 11:50:00 AM
Quote from: Hicks on June 26, 2009, 10:53:06 AM
Quote from: mattstick on June 26, 2009, 06:27:37 AM
Quote from: alcoholandcoffeebeans on June 26, 2009, 01:11:52 AM
on a similar note, mike got flack for whatever the pictures were on his hard drive, but you guys still listen to and respect his music he's part of.... right?
Good analogy. Mike Gordon is probably weirder than MJ.
Yup just because Mike only got caught once, doesn't mean that was the only time he was a sketchball.
This analogy is flawed. Gordo didn't go to court, which means there wasn't enough evidence to suspect him of doing anything wrong, Jackson did go to court.
i just say it because the accusation is there... there's a lot of crap that happens in this industry that i'm sure we'll never hear about.
Quote from: Sophist on June 26, 2009, 11:50:00 AM
Quote from: Hicks on June 26, 2009, 10:53:06 AM
Quote from: mattstick on June 26, 2009, 06:27:37 AM
Quote from: alcoholandcoffeebeans on June 26, 2009, 01:11:52 AM
on a similar note, mike got flack for whatever the pictures were on his hard drive, but you guys still listen to and respect his music he's part of.... right?
Good analogy. Mike Gordon is probably weirder than MJ.
Yup just because Mike only got caught once, doesn't mean that was the only time he was a sketchball.
This analogy is flawed. Gordo didn't go to court, which means there wasn't enough evidence to suspect him of doing anything wrong, Jackson did go to court.
Oh really? So you know exactly what happened in both cases? Do tell. :roll:
How about we stop pretending that celebrities are people that we actually know and start judging them based solely off what we do know about, their art.
Quote from: Hicks on June 26, 2009, 11:56:06 AM
Quote from: Sophist on June 26, 2009, 11:50:00 AM
Quote from: Hicks on June 26, 2009, 10:53:06 AM
Quote from: mattstick on June 26, 2009, 06:27:37 AM
Quote from: alcoholandcoffeebeans on June 26, 2009, 01:11:52 AM
on a similar note, mike got flack for whatever the pictures were on his hard drive, but you guys still listen to and respect his music he's part of.... right?
Good analogy. Mike Gordon is probably weirder than MJ.
Yup just because Mike only got caught once, doesn't mean that was the only time he was a sketchball.
This analogy is flawed. Gordo didn't go to court, which means there wasn't enough evidence to suspect him of doing anything wrong, Jackson did go to court.
Oh really? So you know exactly what happened in both cases? Do tell. :roll:
How about we stop pretending that celebrities are people that we actually know and start judging them based solely off what we do know about, their art.
This off-topic discussion should stop. We DON'T know what happened with Gordon, and speculating about it is tasteless. I am not offended by what anyone has said, but I feel like we are entering dangerous territory. And I agree with Hicks: Let's judge musicians on what we know -- their art.
No, we do know what happened.
He was talking photos of a small child away from their parents. This parent felt it was inappropriate enough to BEAT THE SHIT out of him. Mike Gordon did not press charges.
Quote from: mattstick on June 26, 2009, 12:03:31 PM
No, we do know what happened.
He was talking photos of a small child away from their parents. This parent felt it was inappropriate enough to BEAT THE SHIT out of him. Mike Gordon did not press charges.
And the parent was a redneck bully. Gordon probably didn't want any more attention on the case. ... I'm a photographer, and I took photos of my friend's 2-year-old in the bathtub playing with a rubber duckie because he looked forlorn. I thought it was an interesting photo to see a kid with his head slumped over while a rubber duckie floated around. And I certainly don't get aroused by kids. So to make the connection between photos of a kid and pedophilia is insane and intellectually dishonest.
Quote from: flow00 on June 26, 2009, 12:09:42 PM
Quote from: mattstick on June 26, 2009, 12:03:31 PM
No, we do know what happened.
He was talking photos of a small child away from their parents. This parent felt it was inappropriate enough to BEAT THE SHIT out of him. Mike Gordon did not press charges.
And the parent was a redneck bully. Gordon probably didn't want any more attention on the case. ... I'm a photographer, and I took photos of my friend's 2-year-old in the bathtub playing with a rubber duckie because he looked forlorn. I thought it was an interesting photo to see a kid with his head slumped over while a rubber duckie floated around. And I certainly don't get aroused by kids. So to make the connection between photos of a kid and pedophilia is insane and intellectually dishonest.
i've never read up on what the say happened with mike...
i was just making a point that everyone probally has a sketch story out their about them... but it doesn't distract us from all the good things that came person can do...
but i see what you're saying... and again, hicks has got it... their personal life is not up for review...
way to bring the talk back around flow... k+
The evidence against MJ isn't that much different is it?
Quote from: mattstick on June 26, 2009, 12:13:09 PM
The evidence against MJ isn't that much different is it?
No, it isn't.
MJ was never criminally convicted nor found liable in a civil case.
He did settle a civil case but, for a wealthy individual or corporation, it often makes business sense to end litigation which could give the appearance of impropriety even when there has been none.
The above statements are objective facts.
I don't pretend to know MJ's private activities, I only know the allegations.
Quote from: rowjimmy on June 26, 2009, 12:19:00 PM
Quote from: mattstick on June 26, 2009, 12:13:09 PM
The evidence against MJ isn't that much different is it?
No, it isn't.
MJ was never criminally convicted nor found liable in a civil case.
He did settle a civil case but, for a wealthy individual or corporation, it often makes business sense to end litigation which could give the appearance of impropriety even when there has been none.
The above statements are objective facts.
I don't pretend to know MJ's private activities, I only know the allegations.
Exactly.
The lack of respect for the memory of a musical legend in this thread from some folks is very disappointing to me.
Quote from: mattstick on June 26, 2009, 12:13:09 PM
The evidence against MJ isn't that much different is it?
There's a big difference between allegations of molestation and taking photos. I don't recall Gordon having sleepovers with boys or having a reputation of unhealthy relationships with children. Maybe that's just an innocent eccentricity, but it sure raises more red flags.
That said, none of us has enough evidence against either to cast judgment. Thanks RJ for bringing us back to real life.
There is no greater thrill than watching a bunch of Wooks dance to MJ at a festie at 3 am. It will break any and all programmed notions you may have about what is cool.
The man had a presence on stage like no other. Only David Byrne in the "Big Suit" can compare. They truly are no performers like this anymore.
So now the police are searching for MJ's doc...
QuoteThere are questions over whether Jackson's death may have involved medication.
Brian Oxman, a former attorney for the Jackson family who was with the family in the hospital emergency room on Thursday, told CNN he had been concerned about medications the pop star was taking.
"I talked to this family about it, I warned them. I said that Michael is overmedicating and that I did not want to see this kind of a case develop," Oxman told CNN's "American Morning" on Friday.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/06/26/michael.jackson/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/06/26/michael.jackson/index.html)
Quote from: Hicks on June 26, 2009, 12:23:11 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on June 26, 2009, 12:19:00 PM
Quote from: mattstick on June 26, 2009, 12:13:09 PM
The evidence against MJ isn't that much different is it?
No, it isn't.
MJ was never criminally convicted nor found liable in a civil case.
He did settle a civil case but, for a wealthy individual or corporation, it often makes business sense to end litigation which could give the appearance of impropriety even when there has been none.
The above statements are objective facts.
I don't pretend to know MJ's private activities, I only know the allegations.
Exactly.
The lack of respect for the memory of a musical legend in this thread from some folks is very disappointing to me.
Child fuckers deserve no respect. Quit being an apologist. It is quite obvious the guy could dump on you and you would spin it in some positive manner, I get it, you love his art, and that's fine. But it doesn't excuse his behavior or make up for it.
Quote from: Sophist on June 26, 2009, 01:39:57 PM
Quote from: Hicks on June 26, 2009, 12:23:11 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on June 26, 2009, 12:19:00 PM
Quote from: mattstick on June 26, 2009, 12:13:09 PM
The evidence against MJ isn't that much different is it?
No, it isn't.
MJ was never criminally convicted nor found liable in a civil case.
He did settle a civil case but, for a wealthy individual or corporation, it often makes business sense to end litigation which could give the appearance of impropriety even when there has been none.
The above statements are objective facts.
I don't pretend to know MJ's private activities, I only know the allegations.
Exactly.
The lack of respect for the memory of a musical legend in this thread from some folks is very disappointing to me.
Child fuckers deserve no respect. Quit being an apologist. It is quite obvious the guy could dump on you and you would spin it in some positive manner, I get it, you love his art, and that's fine. But it doesn't excuse his behavior or make up for it.
Big talk coming from a guy whose favorite band has a song about shoving a fist up a woman's ass.
Wait! What? :? What song is this? And what band?
Panique has songs about anal-fisting? :?
maybe hicks means Tool.... stinkfist. makes sense.
phish sings about tossin' salads
Garcia/Hunter wrote about anal too! (Crazy Fingers - "see how it feels in the end")
Quote from: Sophist on June 26, 2009, 01:39:57 PM
Quote from: Hicks on June 26, 2009, 12:23:11 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on June 26, 2009, 12:19:00 PM
Quote from: mattstick on June 26, 2009, 12:13:09 PM
The evidence against MJ isn't that much different is it?
No, it isn't.
MJ was never criminally convicted nor found liable in a civil case.
He did settle a civil case but, for a wealthy individual or corporation, it often makes business sense to end litigation which could give the appearance of impropriety even when there has been none.
The above statements are objective facts.
I don't pretend to know MJ's private activities, I only know the allegations.
Exactly.
The lack of respect for the memory of a musical legend in this thread from some folks is very disappointing to me.
Child fuckers deserve no respect. Quit being an apologist. It is quite obvious the guy could dump on you and you would spin it in some positive manner, I get it, you love his art, and that's fine. But it doesn't excuse his behavior or make up for it.
Sophist, I'm surprised that you would be so quick to judge based on allegations without facts.
No one is saying that he
didn't do it but, just because he was accused of something doesn't make it so.
Unless you have some personal knowledge... Spend much time at the Ranch?
Quote from: rowjimmy on June 26, 2009, 02:08:36 PM
Quote from: Sophist on June 26, 2009, 01:39:57 PM
Quote from: Hicks on June 26, 2009, 12:23:11 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on June 26, 2009, 12:19:00 PM
Quote from: mattstick on June 26, 2009, 12:13:09 PM
The evidence against MJ isn't that much different is it?
No, it isn't.
MJ was never criminally convicted nor found liable in a civil case.
He did settle a civil case but, for a wealthy individual or corporation, it often makes business sense to end litigation which could give the appearance of impropriety even when there has been none.
The above statements are objective facts.
I don't pretend to know MJ's private activities, I only know the allegations.
Exactly.
The lack of respect for the memory of a musical legend in this thread from some folks is very disappointing to me.
Child fuckers deserve no respect. Quit being an apologist. It is quite obvious the guy could dump on you and you would spin it in some positive manner, I get it, you love his art, and that's fine. But it doesn't excuse his behavior or make up for it.
Sophist, I'm surprised that you would be so quick to judge based on allegations without facts.
No one is saying that he didn't do it but, just because he was accused of something doesn't make it so.
Unless you have some personal knowledge... Spend much time at the Ranch?
Ouch. :lol:
can't seem to embed this. anyway, check this out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehal1eUG1jk
Quote from: rowjimmy on June 26, 2009, 02:08:36 PM
Quote from: Sophist on June 26, 2009, 01:39:57 PM
Quote from: Hicks on June 26, 2009, 12:23:11 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on June 26, 2009, 12:19:00 PM
Quote from: mattstick on June 26, 2009, 12:13:09 PM
The evidence against MJ isn't that much different is it?
No, it isn't.
MJ was never criminally convicted nor found liable in a civil case.
He did settle a civil case but, for a wealthy individual or corporation, it often makes business sense to end litigation which could give the appearance of impropriety even when there has been none.
The above statements are objective facts.
I don't pretend to know MJ's private activities, I only know the allegations.
Exactly.
The lack of respect for the memory of a musical legend in this thread from some folks is very disappointing to me.
Child fuckers deserve no respect. Quit being an apologist. It is quite obvious the guy could dump on you and you would spin it in some positive manner, I get it, you love his art, and that's fine. But it doesn't excuse his behavior or make up for it.
Sophist, I'm surprised that you would be so quick to judge based on allegations without facts.
No one is saying that he didn't do it but, just because he was accused of something doesn't make it so.
Unless you have some personal knowledge... Spend much time at the Ranch?
he faced accusations for
years. if Sophist has formed an opinion on his guilt it doesn't necessarily have to be a quick judgement. and this isn't a court of law, there's no such thing as innocent until proven guilty.
Quote from: rowjimmy on June 26, 2009, 02:08:36 PM
Sophist, I'm surprised that you would be so quick to judge based on allegations without facts.
No one is saying that he didn't do it but, just because he was accused of something doesn't make it so.
Unless you have some personal knowledge... Spend much time at the Ranch?
RJ said exactly what I was thinking, diss included!
Quote from: cactusfan on June 26, 2009, 02:14:32 PM
can't seem to embed this. anyway, check this out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehal1eUG1jk
Here you go. Pretty sweet.
http://www.youtube.com/v/ehal1eUG1jk&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0
Quote from: cactusfan on June 26, 2009, 02:14:32 PM
can't seem to embed this. anyway, check this out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehal1eUG1jk
That's sweet. Seriously. "Bring salvation back." K+ for sharing. If you look at MJ then, the story becomes very sad. His self-hatred and the abuse at the hands of his father are truly heart-breaking.
In other news, my girlfriend was on the bus today in Detroit, where the population is 85% black, and a riot nearly ensued when someone called MJ a child molester. They had to kick some people off the bus. I'm surprised no one was shot. Don't mess with Michael in Detroit.
Did any of these children actually say he did anything. It all seemed like the parents speaking for them.
Macauly was there more than anyone and still has his back.
where did you find that pic?!!!! He's Ghaie.
Quote from: blatboom on June 26, 2009, 02:16:21 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on June 26, 2009, 02:08:36 PM
Quote from: Sophist on June 26, 2009, 01:39:57 PM
Quote from: Hicks on June 26, 2009, 12:23:11 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on June 26, 2009, 12:19:00 PM
Quote from: mattstick on June 26, 2009, 12:13:09 PM
The evidence against MJ isn't that much different is it?
No, it isn't.
MJ was never criminally convicted nor found liable in a civil case.
He did settle a civil case but, for a wealthy individual or corporation, it often makes business sense to end litigation which could give the appearance of impropriety even when there has been none.
The above statements are objective facts.
I don't pretend to know MJ's private activities, I only know the allegations.
Exactly.
The lack of respect for the memory of a musical legend in this thread from some folks is very disappointing to me.
Child fuckers deserve no respect. Quit being an apologist. It is quite obvious the guy could dump on you and you would spin it in some positive manner, I get it, you love his art, and that's fine. But it doesn't excuse his behavior or make up for it.
Sophist, I'm surprised that you would be so quick to judge based on allegations without facts.
No one is saying that he didn't do it but, just because he was accused of something doesn't make it so.
Unless you have some personal knowledge... Spend much time at the Ranch?
he faced accusations for years. if Sophist has formed an opinion on his guilt it doesn't necessarily have to be a quick judgement. and this isn't a court of law, there's no such thing as innocent until proven guilty.
Did the "fact" that William Shatner killed his wife keep you from enjoying Star Trek II last night? :roll:
Party Monster.
You know what they say,
"The road of excess....leads to fabulousness!!!" :-D
(Read this book.)
Quote from: Hicks on June 26, 2009, 02:33:49 PM
Quote from: blatboom on June 26, 2009, 02:16:21 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on June 26, 2009, 02:08:36 PM
Quote from: Sophist on June 26, 2009, 01:39:57 PM
Quote from: Hicks on June 26, 2009, 12:23:11 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on June 26, 2009, 12:19:00 PM
Quote from: mattstick on June 26, 2009, 12:13:09 PM
The evidence against MJ isn't that much different is it?
No, it isn't.
MJ was never criminally convicted nor found liable in a civil case.
He did settle a civil case but, for a wealthy individual or corporation, it often makes business sense to end litigation which could give the appearance of impropriety even when there has been none.
The above statements are objective facts.
I don't pretend to know MJ's private activities, I only know the allegations.
Exactly.
The lack of respect for the memory of a musical legend in this thread from some folks is very disappointing to me.
Child fuckers deserve no respect. Quit being an apologist. It is quite obvious the guy could dump on you and you would spin it in some positive manner, I get it, you love his art, and that's fine. But it doesn't excuse his behavior or make up for it.
Sophist, I'm surprised that you would be so quick to judge based on allegations without facts.
No one is saying that he didn't do it but, just because he was accused of something doesn't make it so.
Unless you have some personal knowledge... Spend much time at the Ranch?
he faced accusations for years. if Sophist has formed an opinion on his guilt it doesn't necessarily have to be a quick judgement. and this isn't a court of law, there's no such thing as innocent until proven guilty.
Did the "fact" that William Shatner killed his wife keep you from enjoying Star Trek II last night? :roll:
who said I enjoyed it?
note that nowhere in this thread have I accused Jackson of anything or said he is definitely guilty. I'm simply saying if the allegations are true then he's among the lowest life forms on Earth and his life should not be celebrated.
Quote from: Hicks on June 26, 2009, 01:43:05 PM
Quote from: Sophist on June 26, 2009, 01:39:57 PM
Quote from: Hicks on June 26, 2009, 12:23:11 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on June 26, 2009, 12:19:00 PM
Quote from: mattstick on June 26, 2009, 12:13:09 PM
The evidence against MJ isn't that much different is it?
No, it isn't.
MJ was never criminally convicted nor found liable in a civil case.
He did settle a civil case but, for a wealthy individual or corporation, it often makes business sense to end litigation which could give the appearance of impropriety even when there has been none.
The above statements are objective facts.
I don't pretend to know MJ's private activities, I only know the allegations.
Exactly.
The lack of respect for the memory of a musical legend in this thread from some folks is very disappointing to me.
Child fuckers deserve no respect. Quit being an apologist. It is quite obvious the guy could dump on you and you would spin it in some positive manner, I get it, you love his art, and that's fine. But it doesn't excuse his behavior or make up for it.
Big talk coming from a guy whose favorite band has a song about shoving a fist up a woman's ass.
epic fail buddy. Stinkfist is a metaphor for political oppression.
Quote from: rowjimmy on June 26, 2009, 02:08:36 PM
Quote from: Sophist on June 26, 2009, 01:39:57 PM
Quote from: Hicks on June 26, 2009, 12:23:11 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on June 26, 2009, 12:19:00 PM
Quote from: mattstick on June 26, 2009, 12:13:09 PM
The evidence against MJ isn't that much different is it?
No, it isn't.
MJ was never criminally convicted nor found liable in a civil case.
He did settle a civil case but, for a wealthy individual or corporation, it often makes business sense to end litigation which could give the appearance of impropriety even when there has been none.
The above statements are objective facts.
I don't pretend to know MJ's private activities, I only know the allegations.
Exactly.
The lack of respect for the memory of a musical legend in this thread from some folks is very disappointing to me.
Child fuckers deserve no respect. Quit being an apologist. It is quite obvious the guy could dump on you and you would spin it in some positive manner, I get it, you love his art, and that's fine. But it doesn't excuse his behavior or make up for it.
Sophist, I'm surprised that you would be so quick to judge based on allegations without facts.
No one is saying that he didn't do it but, just because he was accused of something doesn't make it so.
Unless you have some personal knowledge... Spend much time at the Ranch?
Personal Knowledge? none. but I think the settlement speaks for itself. Why settle if you are innocent? A good lawyer can rip apart circumstansial evidence, and he had a hell of a legal team.
Quote from: blatboom on June 26, 2009, 02:38:27 PM
Quote from: Hicks on June 26, 2009, 02:33:49 PM
Quote from: blatboom on June 26, 2009, 02:16:21 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on June 26, 2009, 02:08:36 PM
Quote from: Sophist on June 26, 2009, 01:39:57 PM
Quote from: Hicks on June 26, 2009, 12:23:11 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on June 26, 2009, 12:19:00 PM
Quote from: mattstick on June 26, 2009, 12:13:09 PM
The evidence against MJ isn't that much different is it?
No, it isn't.
MJ was never criminally convicted nor found liable in a civil case.
He did settle a civil case but, for a wealthy individual or corporation, it often makes business sense to end litigation which could give the appearance of impropriety even when there has been none.
The above statements are objective facts.
I don't pretend to know MJ's private activities, I only know the allegations.
Exactly.
The lack of respect for the memory of a musical legend in this thread from some folks is very disappointing to me.
Child fuckers deserve no respect. Quit being an apologist. It is quite obvious the guy could dump on you and you would spin it in some positive manner, I get it, you love his art, and that's fine. But it doesn't excuse his behavior or make up for it.
Sophist, I'm surprised that you would be so quick to judge based on allegations without facts.
No one is saying that he didn't do it but, just because he was accused of something doesn't make it so.
Unless you have some personal knowledge... Spend much time at the Ranch?
he faced accusations for years. if Sophist has formed an opinion on his guilt it doesn't necessarily have to be a quick judgement. and this isn't a court of law, there's no such thing as innocent until proven guilty.
Did the "fact" that William Shatner killed his wife keep you from enjoying Star Trek II last night? :roll:
who said I enjoyed it?
note that nowhere in this thread have I accused Jackson of anything or said he is definitely guilty. I'm simply saying if the allegations are true then he's among the lowest life forms on Earth and his life should not be celebrated.
I'm just saying that if we aren't innocent until proven guilty then that's a mighty slippery slope that I for one don't want to go down.
And if you didn't enjoy Star Trek II, well then I just don't know what to say to that. :wink:
Maynard discusses Stinkfist: http://www.cdicarlo.com/paper_04maynard.htm (http://www.cdicarlo.com/paper_04maynard.htm)
Quote from: Sophist on June 26, 2009, 02:46:32 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on June 26, 2009, 02:08:36 PM
Quote from: Sophist on June 26, 2009, 01:39:57 PM
Quote from: Hicks on June 26, 2009, 12:23:11 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on June 26, 2009, 12:19:00 PM
Quote from: mattstick on June 26, 2009, 12:13:09 PM
The evidence against MJ isn't that much different is it?
No, it isn't.
MJ was never criminally convicted nor found liable in a civil case.
He did settle a civil case but, for a wealthy individual or corporation, it often makes business sense to end litigation which could give the appearance of impropriety even when there has been none.
The above statements are objective facts.
I don't pretend to know MJ's private activities, I only know the allegations.
Exactly.
The lack of respect for the memory of a musical legend in this thread from some folks is very disappointing to me.
Child fuckers deserve no respect. Quit being an apologist. It is quite obvious the guy could dump on you and you would spin it in some positive manner, I get it, you love his art, and that's fine. But it doesn't excuse his behavior or make up for it.
Sophist, I'm surprised that you would be so quick to judge based on allegations without facts.
No one is saying that he didn't do it but, just because he was accused of something doesn't make it so.
Unless you have some personal knowledge... Spend much time at the Ranch?
Personal Knowledge? none. but I think the settlement speaks for itself. Why settle if you are innocent? A good lawyer can rip apart circumstansial evidence, and he had a hell of a legal team.
As I stated, sometimes it is far cheaper, both in direct cost as well as in long earnings, to settle rather than to enter into a protracted trial.
Additionally, in a civil suit the plaintiff has a much reduced burden of proof than in the criminal courts.
These cases were of a he said/they said nature. Michael was vilified in the public eye and would have had to face parents and children who were thereby in a good position to extract sympathy from a jury.
It is said that he had suffered physically due to the distress of the cases. If this is true, 22mil (which was not a lot for him THEN) might have seemed like a good deal to end it all.
Quote from: rowjimmy on June 26, 2009, 02:56:02 PM
Quote from: Sophist on June 26, 2009, 02:46:32 PM
Quote from: Sophist on June 26, 2009, 01:39:57 PM
Quote from: Hicks on June 26, 2009, 12:23:11 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on June 26, 2009, 12:19:00 PM
Quote from: mattstick on June 26, 2009, 12:13:09 PM
The evidence against MJ isn't that much different is it?
No, it isn't.
MJ was never criminally convicted nor found liable in a civil case.
He did settle a civil case but, for a wealthy individual or corporation, it often makes business sense to end litigation which could give the appearance of impropriety even when there has been none.
The above statements are objective facts.
I don't pretend to know MJ's private activities, I only know the allegations.
Exactly.
The lack of respect for the memory of a musical legend in this thread from some folks is very disappointing to me.
Child fuckers deserve no respect. Quit being an apologist. It is quite obvious the guy could dump on you and you would spin it in some positive manner, I get it, you love his art, and that's fine. But it doesn't excuse his behavior or make up for it.
Sophist, I'm surprised that you would be so quick to judge based on allegations without facts.
No one is saying that he didn't do it but, just because he was accused of something doesn't make it so.
Unless you have some personal knowledge... Spend much time at the Ranch?
Personal Knowledge? none. but I think the settlement speaks for itself. Why settle if you are innocent? A good lawyer can rip apart circumstansial evidence, and he had a hell of a legal team.
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As I stated, sometimes it is far cheaper, both in direct cost as well as in long earnings, to settle rather than to enter into a protracted trial.
Additionally, in a civil suit the plaintiff has a much reduced burden of proof than in the criminal courts.
These cases were of a he said/they said nature. Michael was vilified in the public eye and would have had to face parents and children who were thereby in a good position to extract sympathy from a jury.
It is said that he had suffered physically due to the distress of the cases. If this is true, 22mil (which was not a lot for him THEN) might have seemed like a good deal to end it all.
I get that, and I'm not saying that confirms the acts he was accused of by those children. To me, it just came across that he might of done something like he was accused of by those children. I don't deny that some hyperbole was involved by the children and their parents, but at the end of the day, the way the situation came across to me, was he did something and that alone disgusts me.
I'm not going to lie, I have zero patience for child molestation. So I have more disdain for that than anything, and that makes me bias. I can admit that, it is a fault.
Also, if he was guilty don't the parents have a responsibility to pursue justice rather than settling for a huge payday?
Quote from: Hicks on June 26, 2009, 03:02:25 PM
Also, if he was guilty don't the parents have a responsibility to pursue justice rather than settling for a huge payday?
YES. shame on the parents for not getting justice.
Quote from: Hicks on June 26, 2009, 03:02:25 PM
Also, if he was guilty don't the parents have a responsibility to pursue justice rather than settling for a huge payday?
those parents are as guilty as anyone regardless.
Quote from: Sophist on June 26, 2009, 03:03:00 PM
Quote from: Hicks on June 26, 2009, 03:02:25 PM
Also, if he was guilty don't the parents have a responsibility to pursue justice rather than settling for a huge payday?
YES. shame on the parents for not getting justice.
Unless of course he wasn't guilty and a fat payday was the motivation all along.
Doesn't seem too far fetched does it?
call me naive, but i believed/believe MJ when he released that video flatly denying the abuse charges
Quote from: Hicks on June 26, 2009, 03:04:23 PM
Quote from: Sophist on June 26, 2009, 03:03:00 PM
Quote from: Hicks on June 26, 2009, 03:02:25 PM
Also, if he was guilty don't the parents have a responsibility to pursue justice rather than settling for a huge payday?
YES. shame on the parents for not getting justice.
Unless of course he wasn't guilty and a fat payday was the motivation all along.
Doesn't seem too far fetched does it?
If I had to put my money on it that's how I'd place my bet.
Quote from: Hicks on June 26, 2009, 03:04:23 PM
Quote from: Sophist on June 26, 2009, 03:03:00 PM
Quote from: Hicks on June 26, 2009, 03:02:25 PM
Also, if he was guilty don't the parents have a responsibility to pursue justice rather than settling for a huge payday?
YES. shame on the parents for not getting justice.
Unless of course he wasn't guilty and a fat payday was the motivation all along.
Doesn't seem too far fetched does it?
It's plausible, but so is the notion that the families settled to silence the children. This sort of assumption can go to hurt or help Jackson's case.
I only view it as I have been taught, which is through the game theory model of economics. You settle as a result to avoid a complete loss. Thus the implication is that some sacrifice is made by both parties.
However, this is just theory, and like I stated, I don't know the real reasons why both parties settled.
Quote from: mattstick on June 26, 2009, 06:27:37 AM
Quote from: alcoholandcoffeebeans on June 26, 2009, 01:11:52 AM
on a similar note, mike got flack for whatever the pictures were on his hard drive, but you guys still listen to and respect his music he's part of.... right?
Good analogy. Mike Gordon is probably weirder than MJ.
I don't think Mike Gordon is any where near as weird as Michael Jackson, Come on that is a huge stretch of the imagination... Gordon is married and all though he make talk in strange obscurities from time to time did not completely destroy himself with plastic surgeries until he had to wear a fake nose piece to cover the hole... not to mention that there were many allegations against Michael Jackson who's behavior did not change after the first incident, nor the second... Michael Jackson in my eyes obviously has some type of sexual disfuction and also is drawn towards little boys and acted in ways that should raise questions in any parents mind, (
would you have let your kid stay at his house??) my answer is no... but I'd let my kid crash at Mike Gordon's house with very little question... I mean come on!! yes the man died and we should still respect his contributions to music, but he was a major freak as far as I'm concerned... caused by an incredibly strained childhood.
Quote from: Poster Nutbag on June 26, 2009, 03:13:51 PM
but I'd let my kid crash at Mike Gordon's house with very little question...
Bad idea dude.
Quote from: mattstick on June 26, 2009, 03:15:03 PM
Quote from: Poster Nutbag on June 26, 2009, 03:13:51 PM
but I'd let my kid crash at Mike Gordon's house with very little question...
Bad idea dude.
UM!! no... :roll: I don't think Mike Gordon has a major case or any case of the sexual disfuctions... He was just being really stupid... but I'm sorry, I definitely feel that Michael Jackson did... the two cases have great differences... and Michael Jackson got accused three times...
heres a write up on the Mike Gordon incident...
http://www.phisharchive.com/articles/2003/mikenypost.html
Quote from: Sophist on June 26, 2009, 03:08:24 PM
Quote from: Hicks on June 26, 2009, 03:04:23 PM
Quote from: Sophist on June 26, 2009, 03:03:00 PM
Quote from: Hicks on June 26, 2009, 03:02:25 PM
Also, if he was guilty don't the parents have a responsibility to pursue justice rather than settling for a huge payday?
YES. shame on the parents for not getting justice.
Unless of course he wasn't guilty and a fat payday was the motivation all along.
Doesn't seem too far fetched does it?
It's plausible, but so is the notion that the families settled to silence the children. This sort of assumption can go to hurt or help Jackson's case.
I only view it as I have been taught, which is through the game theory model of economics. You settle as a result to avoid a complete loss. Thus the implication is that some sacrifice is made by both parties.
However, this is just theory, and like I stated, I don't know the real reasons why both parties settled.
That, there, is my point.
You don't know. I don't know.
What we do know is this:
Off The Wall is a sweet fucking album.
I think one of our biggest failings as a society is a lack of compassion/empathy for people who are mentally ill.
Quote from: Hicks on June 26, 2009, 03:04:23 PM
Quote from: Sophist on June 26, 2009, 03:03:00 PM
Quote from: Hicks on June 26, 2009, 03:02:25 PM
Also, if he was guilty don't the parents have a responsibility to pursue justice rather than settling for a huge payday?
YES. shame on the parents for not getting justice.
Unless of course he wasn't guilty and a fat payday was the motivation all along.
Doesn't seem too far fetched does it?
no. but neither does
that guy committing
that crime. (to me anyway)
Quote from: Hicks on June 26, 2009, 03:26:27 PM
I think one of our biggest failings as a society is a lack of compassion/empathy for people who are mentally ill.
what mentally stable adult would ever sexually assault a child? who do you have more compassion for in that circumstance?
The difference between a criminal and civil trial is big. In a criminal trial, where MJ was found not guilty, the prosecutor has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that MJ was guilty. In civil court, you only need to prove a preponderance of doubt, which is to say, if he looks slightly more guilty than not-guilty, he is found guilty and is forced to pay family restitution.
The same happened to OJ. Not guilty in criminal court. Guilty in civil.
The last thing I'm suggesting is that Mike Gordon sexually abuses children. I'm just saying he's weird.
Quote from: Hicks on June 26, 2009, 03:26:27 PM
I think one of our biggest failings as a society is a lack of compassion/empathy for people who are mentally ill.
Agreed.
MJ was evaluated by a shrink (don't know who's payroll he was on) back in the 90s and was found to have regressed to the state of a 10year-old. Not entirely shocking considering the childhood he had.
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but I'd let my kid crash at Mike Gordon's house with very little question...
Bad idea dude.
I'd pretty much not let my kids sleep over at any single dude's house. That's just weak parenting.
Quote from: Hicks on June 26, 2009, 03:26:27 PM
I think one of our biggest failings as a society is a lack of compassion/empathy for people who are mentally ill.
I couldn't agree more. MJ went through a lot of horrible things as a child, and had to deal with unprecedented fame. He was more famous than the pope. His self-hatred, probably caused by his father, most likely destroyed any aspect of who he was.
Quote from: rowjimmy on June 26, 2009, 03:30:59 PM
I'd pretty much not let my kids sleep over at any single dude's rock stars house. That's just weak parenting.
FYP
Quote from: blatboom on June 26, 2009, 03:28:53 PM
Quote from: Hicks on June 26, 2009, 03:26:27 PM
I think one of our biggest failings as a society is a lack of compassion/empathy for people who are mentally ill.
what mentally stable adult would ever sexually assault a child? who do you have more compassion for in that circumstance?
Since the vast, vast majority of abusers were abused themselves, my compassion is equal for all victims of abuse.
Not that that has
anything to do with what I wrote. Again MJ was
not a proven sexual predator, that's a fact.
He was obviously mentally ill though, and I think a lot of the animosity toward him has to do with people not understanding, or not wanting to exert the effort to understand, someone like himself.
Thriller was really awesome too.
Quote from: Hicks on June 26, 2009, 03:26:27 PM
I think one of our biggest failings as a society is a lack of compassion/empathy for people who are mentally ill.
If he was poor and this happened, I would have a different view, but his wealth changes it for me, because to a certain degree, money buys innocence.
Quote from: blatboom on June 26, 2009, 03:28:53 PM
Quote from: Hicks on June 26, 2009, 03:26:27 PM
I think one of our biggest failings as a society is a lack of compassion/empathy for people who are mentally ill.
what mentally stable adult would ever sexually assault a child? who do you have more compassion for in that circumstance?
There are degrees of compassion. The whole fucking thing is sad. There's a reason that molested children grow up with destroyed lives and continue the abuse. I've seen this happen over and over. If you feel compassion for the kids who were allegedly molested by MJ, why not feel compassion for MJ being molested?
Quote from: flow00 on June 26, 2009, 03:38:09 PM
Quote from: blatboom on June 26, 2009, 03:28:53 PM
Quote from: Hicks on June 26, 2009, 03:26:27 PM
I think one of our biggest failings as a society is a lack of compassion/empathy for people who are mentally ill.
what mentally stable adult would ever sexually assault a child? who do you have more compassion for in that circumstance?
There are degrees of compassion. The whole fucking thing is sad. There's a reason that molested children grow up with destroyed lives and continue the abuse. I've seen this happen over and over. If you feel compassion for the kids who were allegedly molested by MJ, why not feel compassion for MJ being molested?
Was he molested or are you going off the generality of a perpetual cycle?
Quote from: mattstick on June 26, 2009, 03:30:12 PM
The last thing I'm suggesting is that Mike Gordon sexually abuses children. I'm just saying he's weird.
Good. You worried me. He's weird, and so are a lot of artists. And I think the redneck who beat him up was a piece of shit who probably shouldn't have kids.
Quote from: Sophist on June 26, 2009, 03:36:45 PM
Quote from: Hicks on June 26, 2009, 03:26:27 PM
I think one of our biggest failings as a society is a lack of compassion/empathy for people who are mentally ill.
If he was poor and this happened, I would have a different view, but his wealth changes it for me, because to a certain degree, money buys innocence.
Why does it matter if he's rich or he's poor aside from the capacity to pay for treatment? Would he not still suffer from his illness and the associated prejudices?
Bad was a pretty decent record, too. Although it was no Off The Wall.
Quote from: Sophist on June 26, 2009, 03:36:45 PM
Quote from: Hicks on June 26, 2009, 03:26:27 PM
I think one of our biggest failings as a society is a lack of compassion/empathy for people who are mentally ill.
If he was poor and this happened, I would have a different view, but his wealth changes it for me, because to a certain degree, money buys innocence.
That's really weak. Money can't undo abuse, money can't supply a second childhood. Money can't stop mental hell.
Quote from: flow00 on June 26, 2009, 03:38:09 PM
Quote from: blatboom on June 26, 2009, 03:28:53 PM
Quote from: Hicks on June 26, 2009, 03:26:27 PM
I think one of our biggest failings as a society is a lack of compassion/empathy for people who are mentally ill.
what mentally stable adult would ever sexually assault a child? who do you have more compassion for in that circumstance?
There are degrees of compassion. The whole fucking thing is sad. There's a reason that molested children grow up with destroyed lives and continue the abuse. I've seen this happen over and over. If you feel compassion for the kids who were allegedly molested by MJ, why not feel compassion for MJ being molested?
because there are millions of people who have been sexually assaulted as children and don't turn around in their adulthood and commit the same act to another innocent child.
Quote from: rowjimmy on June 26, 2009, 03:40:07 PM
Bad was a pretty decent record, too. Although it was no Off The Wall.
Haven't listened to either of those two yet (since this happened, I mean). Think I might bust them out tonight.
Quote from: Hicks on June 26, 2009, 03:40:18 PM
Quote from: Sophist on June 26, 2009, 03:36:45 PM
Quote from: Hicks on June 26, 2009, 03:26:27 PM
I think one of our biggest failings as a society is a lack of compassion/empathy for people who are mentally ill.
If he was poor and this happened, I would have a different view, but his wealth changes it for me, because to a certain degree, money buys innocence.
That's really weak. Money can't undo abuse, money can't supply a second childhood. Money can't stop mental hell.
I'm talking about his ability to put himself in a better situation legally and that's it. No his money doesn't change his illness, and I'm not suggesting otherwise, but you can't deny that it puts him at an unfair advantage in terms of hiring good lawyers and PR people. That's my point. If he was a person making what you and I make, it would of gone to trail, and I have a feeling that whatever really happened would of came out. His wealth gave him the option to avoid what we couldn't avoid.
Quote from: Sophist on June 26, 2009, 03:39:07 PM
Quote from: flow00 on June 26, 2009, 03:38:09 PM
Quote from: blatboom on June 26, 2009, 03:28:53 PM
Quote from: Hicks on June 26, 2009, 03:26:27 PM
I think one of our biggest failings as a society is a lack of compassion/empathy for people who are mentally ill.
what mentally stable adult would ever sexually assault a child? who do you have more compassion for in that circumstance?
There are degrees of compassion. The whole fucking thing is sad. There's a reason that molested children grow up with destroyed lives and continue the abuse. I've seen this happen over and over. If you feel compassion for the kids who were allegedly molested by MJ, why not feel compassion for MJ being molested?
Was he molested or are you going off the generality of a perpetual cycle?
From what I've heard, he was abused by his dad physically. I don't know about sexually. But as someone pointed out, MJ had regressed to a 10-year-old because of the abuse. That may explain why he likes sleepovers and kids.
Quote from: ytowndan on June 26, 2009, 03:43:37 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on June 26, 2009, 03:40:07 PM
Bad was a pretty decent record, too. Although it was no Off The Wall.
Haven't listened to either of those two yet (since this happened, I mean). Think I might bust them out tonight.
I only have the 12" of Bad but it's pretty sweet. the Extended mix is like 8min.
Quote from: blatboom on June 26, 2009, 03:41:36 PM
Quote from: flow00 on June 26, 2009, 03:38:09 PM
Quote from: blatboom on June 26, 2009, 03:28:53 PM
Quote from: Hicks on June 26, 2009, 03:26:27 PM
I think one of our biggest failings as a society is a lack of compassion/empathy for people who are mentally ill.
what mentally stable adult would ever sexually assault a child? who do you have more compassion for in that circumstance?
There are degrees of compassion. The whole fucking thing is sad. There's a reason that molested children grow up with destroyed lives and continue the abuse. I've seen this happen over and over. If you feel compassion for the kids who were allegedly molested by MJ, why not feel compassion for MJ being molested?
because there are millions of people who have been sexually assaulted as children and don't turn around in their adulthood and commit the same act to another innocent child.
And each abuse victim is different. You can't have the same expectations for all victims.
Quote from: rowjimmy on June 26, 2009, 03:45:15 PM
Quote from: ytowndan on June 26, 2009, 03:43:37 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on June 26, 2009, 03:40:07 PM
Bad was a pretty decent record, too. Although it was no Off The Wall.
Haven't listened to either of those two yet (since this happened, I mean). Think I might bust them out tonight.
I only have the 12" of Bad but it's pretty sweet. the Extended mix is like 8min.
never liked anything he did once he went solo. Jackson 5 stuff was fun to listen to, though
Quote from: slslbs on June 26, 2009, 03:46:53 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on June 26, 2009, 03:45:15 PM
Quote from: ytowndan on June 26, 2009, 03:43:37 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on June 26, 2009, 03:40:07 PM
Bad was a pretty decent record, too. Although it was no Off The Wall.
Haven't listened to either of those two yet (since this happened, I mean). Think I might bust them out tonight.
I only have the 12" of Bad but it's pretty sweet. the Extended mix is like 8min.
never liked anything he did once he went solo. Jackson 5 stuff was fun to listen to, though
Much love for the Jackson 5 material... countless terrific tunes.
Smooth Criminal, Dirty Diana, The Way You Make Me Feel, Another Part of Me and of course Man in the Mirror.
There's some cuts on Bad.
Quote from: Hicks on June 26, 2009, 03:48:11 PM
Smooth Criminal, Dirty Diana, The Way You Make Me Feel, Another Part of Me and of course Man in the Mirror.
There's some cuts on Bad.
Indeed.
But the ratio of awesome is higher on the prior two albums.
Quote from: rowjimmy on June 26, 2009, 03:49:53 PM
Quote from: Hicks on June 26, 2009, 03:48:11 PM
Smooth Criminal, Dirty Diana, The Way You Make Me Feel, Another Part of Me and of course Man in the Mirror.
There's some cuts on Bad.
Indeed.
But the ratio of awesome is higher on the prior two albums.
7/9 on Thriller ain't too shabby!
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Quote from: rowjimmy on June 26, 2009, 03:45:15 PM
Quote from: ytowndan on June 26, 2009, 03:43:37 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on June 26, 2009, 03:40:07 PM
Bad was a pretty decent record, too. Although it was no Off The Wall.
Haven't listened to either of those two yet (since this happened, I mean). Think I might bust them out tonight.
I only have the 12" of Bad but it's pretty sweet. the Extended mix is like 8min.
never liked anything he did once he went solo. Jackson 5 stuff was fun to listen to, though
Much love for the Jackson 5 material... countless terrific tunes.
Now I'm kind of tempted to crank some Jackson 5 stuff tonight. Decisions, decisions.
actually, I like Miles cover of Human Nature
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGBPSx1Zxlo
Quote from: slslbs on June 26, 2009, 03:52:14 PM
actually, I like Miles cover of Human Nature
that's because it's a sweet melody... and Miles could make almost anything sound good anyway.
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Quote from: slslbs on June 26, 2009, 03:52:14 PM
actually, I like Miles cover of Human Nature
that's because it's a sweet melody... ONE OF THE BEST SLOW JAMZ EVAR!!!!!
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Quote from: rowjimmy on June 26, 2009, 03:40:07 PM
Bad was a pretty decent record, too. Although it was no Off The Wall.
Haven't listened to either of those two yet (since this happened, I mean). Think I might bust them out tonight.
I only have the 12" of Bad but it's pretty sweet. the Extended mix is like 8min.
never liked anything he did once he went solo. Jackson 5 stuff was fun to listen to, though
Much love for the Jackson 5 material... countless terrific tunes.
Now I'm kind of tempted to crank some Jackson 5 stuff tonight. Decisions, decisions.
Dude, it's FRIDAY!!!! Crank them ALL!!!! :-)
Quote from: antelope19 on June 26, 2009, 03:58:09 PM
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Quote from: rowjimmy on June 26, 2009, 03:45:15 PM
Quote from: ytowndan on June 26, 2009, 03:43:37 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on June 26, 2009, 03:40:07 PM
Bad was a pretty decent record, too. Although it was no Off The Wall.
Haven't listened to either of those two yet (since this happened, I mean). Think I might bust them out tonight.
I only have the 12" of Bad but it's pretty sweet. the Extended mix is like 8min.
never liked anything he did once he went solo. Jackson 5 stuff was fun to listen to, though
Much love for the Jackson 5 material... countless terrific tunes.
Now I'm kind of tempted to crank some Jackson 5 stuff tonight. Decisions, decisions.
Dude, it's FRIDAY!!!! Crank them ALL!!!! :-)
^^ that's the right idea!!!!!! love me some jackson 5, i might have to take over the jukebox a little at work tonight... but i have a feeling people will be doing that for me
The 911 call to MJ's house is posted: http://www.freep.com/article/20090626/ENT04/90626030/911+call+released++autopsy+under+way
It's on the top, right-hand side of the page.
Farrah Fawcett was the star that every young boy lusted after and Michael Jackson was the star that lusted after every young boy. ZING
Quote from: antelope19 on June 26, 2009, 03:58:09 PM
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Quote from: ytowndan on June 26, 2009, 03:43:37 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on June 26, 2009, 03:40:07 PM
Bad was a pretty decent record, too. Although it was no Off The Wall.
Haven't listened to either of those two yet (since this happened, I mean). Think I might bust them out tonight.
I only have the 12" of Bad but it's pretty sweet. the Extended mix is like 8min.
never liked anything he did once he went solo. Jackson 5 stuff was fun to listen to, though
Much love for the Jackson 5 material... countless terrific tunes.
Now I'm kind of tempted to crank some Jackson 5 stuff tonight. Decisions, decisions.
Dude, it's FRIDAY!!!! Crank them ALL!!!! :-)
Touché, salesman. :wtu:
People grieving MJ:
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Quote from: Marmar on June 26, 2009, 04:12:00 PM
Farrah Fawcett was the star that every young boy lusted after and Michael Jackson was the star that lusted after every young boy. ZING
Classy contribution right there.
:-o
the king of pop is dead. I'm listening to my fav. MJ track Billy Jean as I type this. Most of everything has been summarized from one spectrum to the other, hence why I love the 'paug, good work fellas. :beers:
On the serious MJ tip, when I was 10, 11, 12 MJ was the shit. Pepsi commercials, even if you saw him on tv for 5 sec. it was electrifying(this was during Thriller and subsequent J5 reunion). My younger sister had 5 or 6 MJ posters, when his appearance was that of a young afro-american instead of the strange plastic southern- californian mutant he became.(now listening to The Way You Make Me Feel)
The ABC Jackson 5 movie was very insightful and very tragic. MJ was so fucking huge all over the globe. I'm sure nearly every women in Japan lost their shit when they heard.
bottom line, MJ was a very reflection of US culture, innovative musician and artist but one who had a lot of snakes in his grass.(now listening to Remember The Time - cool vid) He will go down as a musical hero and genius but remembered for his personal tragedies as well. Either way his music will live on and I'll be listening.
edit - Eddie V's solo in Beat It is fucking sweet.
changing subject, slightly, I was reminded that today is also the 30th anniversary of the passing of Lowell George. If you want to hear a mixture of dirt, grit funk, and whatever else you want to call it, check this out
http://www.archive.org/details/lf1974-09-19.shnf
everywhere i went today that had any music on was playing MJ
Quote from: Hicks on June 26, 2009, 04:40:55 PM
Quote from: Marmar on June 26, 2009, 04:12:00 PM
Farrah Fawcett was the star that every young boy lusted after and Michael Jackson was the star that lusted after every young boy. ZING
Classy contribution right there.
:roll:
If this was some conservative ass hat you'd be doing the same thing. It's a joke, lighten up dude.
Quote from: Sophist on June 26, 2009, 06:24:04 PM
Quote from: Hicks on June 26, 2009, 04:40:55 PM
Quote from: Marmar on June 26, 2009, 04:12:00 PM
Farrah Fawcett was the star that every young boy lusted after and Michael Jackson was the star that lusted after every young boy. ZING
Classy contribution right there.
:roll:
If this was some conservative ass hat you'd be doing the same thing. It's a joke, lighten up dude.
a. It's not funny or even particularly clever.
b. Show me where I've made jokes about a recently deceased "ass hat".
Quote from: Hicks on June 26, 2009, 06:26:05 PM
Quote from: Sophist on June 26, 2009, 06:24:04 PM
Quote from: Hicks on June 26, 2009, 04:40:55 PM
Quote from: Marmar on June 26, 2009, 04:12:00 PM
Farrah Fawcett was the star that every young boy lusted after and Michael Jackson was the star that lusted after every young boy. ZING
Classy contribution right there.
:roll:
If this was some conservative ass hat you'd be doing the same thing. It's a joke, lighten up dude.
a. It's not funny or even particularly clever.
b. Show me where I've made jokes about a recently deceased "ass hat".
I'd bet good money the day Reagen died, you were smiling. I'm not saying it is a good joke either, just the fact that it was a joke.
Quote from: Sophist on June 26, 2009, 06:27:58 PM
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Quote from: Marmar on June 26, 2009, 04:12:00 PM
Farrah Fawcett was the star that every young boy lusted after and Michael Jackson was the star that lusted after every young boy. ZING
Classy contribution right there.
:roll:
If this was some conservative ass hat you'd be doing the same thing. It's a joke, lighten up dude.
a. It's not funny or even particularly clever.
b. Show me where I've made jokes about a recently deceased "ass hat".
I'd bet good money the day Reagen died, you were smiling. I'm not saying it is a good joke either, just the fact that it was a joke.
I sure as fuck didn't post a lame ass joke in an RIP thread you can bank on that.
Also I knew it was a joke, don't insult my intelligence.
Quote from: Hicks on June 26, 2009, 06:30:30 PM
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Quote from: Marmar on June 26, 2009, 04:12:00 PM
Farrah Fawcett was the star that every young boy lusted after and Michael Jackson was the star that lusted after every young boy. ZING
Classy contribution right there.
:roll:
If this was some conservative ass hat you'd be doing the same thing. It's a joke, lighten up dude.
a. It's not funny or even particularly clever.
b. Show me where I've made jokes about a recently deceased "ass hat".
I'd bet good money the day Reagen died, you were smiling. I'm not saying it is a good joke either, just the fact that it was a joke.
I sure as fuck didn't post a lame ass joke in an RIP thread you can bank on that.
Also I knew it was a joke, don't insult my intelligence.
I'm not insulting your intelligence, I'm only saying, you and a few other have this untouchable vibe right now that's silly. Not everyone is going to regard Jackson like you do, and so you shouldn't apply this standard of respect that you seem to think every person should hold.
Quote from: Hicks on June 26, 2009, 06:30:30 PM
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Quote from: Marmar on June 26, 2009, 04:12:00 PM
Farrah Fawcett was the star that every young boy lusted after and Michael Jackson was the star that lusted after every young boy. ZING
Classy contribution right there.
:roll:
If this was some conservative ass hat you'd be doing the same thing. It's a joke, lighten up dude.
a. It's not funny or even particularly clever.
b. Show me where I've made jokes about a recently deceased "ass hat".
I'd bet good money the day Reagen died, you were smiling. I'm not saying it is a good joke either, just the fact that it was a joke.
I sure as fuck didn't post a lame ass joke in an RIP thread you can bank on that.
Also I knew it was a joke, don't insult my intelligence.
lets all calm down here
Quote from: Sophist on June 26, 2009, 06:32:16 PM
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Quote from: Marmar on June 26, 2009, 04:12:00 PM
Farrah Fawcett was the star that every young boy lusted after and Michael Jackson was the star that lusted after every young boy. ZING
Classy contribution right there.
:roll:
If this was some conservative ass hat you'd be doing the same thing. It's a joke, lighten up dude.
a. It's not funny or even particularly clever.
b. Show me where I've made jokes about a recently deceased "ass hat".
I'd bet good money the day Reagen died, you were smiling. I'm not saying it is a good joke either, just the fact that it was a joke.
I sure as fuck didn't post a lame ass joke in an RIP thread you can bank on that.
Also I knew it was a joke, don't insult my intelligence.
I'm not insulting your intelligence, I'm only saying, you and a few other have this untouchable vibe right now that's silly. Not everyone is going to regard Jackson like you do, and so you shouldn't apply this standard of respect that you seem to think every person should hold.
I don't think there is any place for jokes in any RIP thread as a matter of fact. I'm fairly surprised that you don't agree.
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Quote from: Marmar on June 26, 2009, 04:12:00 PM
Farrah Fawcett was the star that every young boy lusted after and Michael Jackson was the star that lusted after every young boy. ZING
Classy contribution right there.
:roll:
If this was some conservative ass hat you'd be doing the same thing. It's a joke, lighten up dude.
a. It's not funny or even particularly clever.
b. Show me where I've made jokes about a recently deceased "ass hat".
I'd bet good money the day Reagen died, you were smiling. I'm not saying it is a good joke either, just the fact that it was a joke.
I sure as fuck didn't post a lame ass joke in an RIP thread you can bank on that.
Also I knew it was a joke, don't insult my intelligence.
I'm not insulting your intelligence, I'm only saying, you and a few other have this untouchable vibe right now that's silly. Not everyone is going to regard Jackson like you do, and so you shouldn't apply this standard of respect that you seem to think every person should hold.
I don't think there is any place for jokes in any RIP thread as a matter of fact. I'm fairly surprised that you don't agree.
My moral relativism won't allow such a thing. If someone posts a comment that strikes my nerves (as mar has with you) I accept that as the fact that we develop different opinions. Like you, I would speak out, but I am not going to tell anyone where or where not to post a comment. I have had much worse to be honest. I had a distant relative say horrendous things at my grandfathers funeral, and I was enraged at first, but then I realized something. That person merely spoke what they felt, and to me, it would be selfish of me to ask them to hold their tongue.
Yeah I hear ya, I'm not saying that he has to retract the post or anything, but just felt the need to voice my opinion, once again.
Quote from: Hicks on June 26, 2009, 06:41:46 PM
Yeah I hear ya, I'm not saying that he has to retract the post or anything, but just felt the need to voice my opinion, once again.
Yeah, and I respect that. It's quite obvious you feel a certain way, and that's awesome to me, but at the same time, I have no problem with mar's comment either.
QuoteTONIGHT @ THE SAIL INN
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at 11pm. for more information call
480-966-9565
Just got this in an e-mail from my favorite local
head/family bar... Thinking about going...
this sounds more and more like and Elvis redux.
what a friggin waste
Quote from: slslbs on June 26, 2009, 10:57:30 PM
this sounds more and more like and Elvis redux.
what a friggin waste
yeah its really sad.
So, Dracula walks into a bar...
and dennnnn?
(http://thumbnails.hulu.com/7/587/14352_512x288_manicured__GMJhD4IQwEe+6bFJuuokpA.jpg)
I hate you guys. :wtu:
I'll finish the joke.
So, Dracula walks into a bar, and he orders a cup of hot water.
the bartender serves him his hot water. Dracula starts dipping a tampon in it.
the bartender is like "what the fuck are you doing?"
Dracula says "I'm making tea."
the Punchline: come on, you dumbasses. I know I'm drunk and offensive right now, but there's no need for this dumb interweb debate.
Quote from: kellerb on June 27, 2009, 01:24:07 AM
So, Dracula walks into a bar, and he orders a cup of hot water.
the bartender serves him his hot water. Dracula starts dipping a tampon in it.
the bartender is like "what the fuck are you doing?"
Dracula says "I'm making tea."
Hilarious! :wtu: Totally going to tell that one to everyone that I know.
Here's Jon Trafton's (Strangefolk) journal entry about having dinner with MJ.
http://strangefolk.com/jonsroom/
If you wanna get really depressed watch this video of a rehearsal two days before his death. Looks like he still had IT.
http://www.showbiz411.com/michael-jackson-rehearsal-vide
They have a market to secure...
Quote from: Undermind on July 02, 2009, 06:51:26 PM
Here's Jon Trafton's (Strangefolk) journal entry about having dinner with MJ.
http://strangefolk.com/jonsroom/
thanks, interesting read!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELyTBXzfQJ8&feature=player_embedded
:lol:
Quote from: whyweigh3.5 on July 05, 2009, 12:42:23 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELyTBXzfQJ8&feature=player_embedded
:lol:
:lol: Till we're all shitting rainbows... :lol:
People are selling tix for his memorial for $5,000 on ebay
:shakehead:
aren't they still taking requests for the tickets?
from what I understand watching the news on the tube is that they already sent out notifications.
I just poked around. Looks like they started sending out notifications after 11am today
(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/00797/1980_797660i.jpg)
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44969000/jpg/_44969131_mugshot_466.jpg)
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=106317755&ft=1&f=1039
live stream of his memorial
http://www.tmz.com/
I wonder who's gonna speak.
side note: Does anyone know if BUBBLES is still alive?
Quote from: rickjamesstjames on July 07, 2009, 02:40:31 PM
live stream of his memorial
http://www.tmz.com/
I wonder who's gonna speak.
side note: Does anyone know if BUBBLES is still alive?
Bubbles is alive, living at a florida retirement home for exotic pets.
very well done
edit to add
to find the answer to the above question
http://www.people.com/people/package/article/0,,20287787_20288466,00.html
QuoteWhatever Happened to Michael Jackson's Chimp Bubbles?
By Johnny Dodd
Originally posted Monday June 29, 2009 07:10 PM EDT
Bubbles
Photo by: CenterForGreatApes.org
With all the discussion surrounding the shocking death of Michael Jackson, people have wondered whatever happened to his beloved chimpanzee Bubbles. It turns out, the chimp is alive and well and monkeying around in a Florida primate sanctuary, PEOPLE has learned.
The 26-year old chimp, who lived with Jackson in the late 1980s, has spent the past four years at the Center For Great Apes, home to forty-two chimpanzees and orangutans.
"He's a very sweet and nice chimp, he really is," says sanctuary director Patti Ragan. "I've seen him go to the drinking fountain, start to take a sip of water and then, when he hears one of the younger ones coming, he'll step back and let them have a sip."
A Jackson Visit?
Bubbles was born at a facility in Texas that breeds primates for medical testing before Jackson adopted him in the '80s. The chimp arrived at Ragan's sanctuary – which is not open to the public – in 2005 after the singer's former animal trainer stopped working with primates. Not long after, a rep for Jackson contacted the facility, saying that Michael wanted to come and visit his former buddy. But the singer never made the trip.
Over the years, Bubbles has grown into a good-sized adult, and now weighs 160 lbs. His facial features have also changed since his days when he often romped around with Jackson in matching Western outfits. "That pink baby face of his has disappeared," Ragan says. "He still has a lot of fleshy color in his face. But he's a huge guy now and that probably is going to surprise a lot of people."
These days, he spends his time hanging out with a group of six other chimps. Among his favorite things to do: eating sweet potatoes, listening to flute-and-guitar music, painting and kicking back with longtime buddy Sam, 40. "The two of them like to climb up to the top of a cupola [located on the sanctuary grounds] and just sit there, staring out over the orange groves, watching the traffic in the distance," says Ragan. "He loves being up there."
Bubbles's Future
And the chimpanzee hasn't been told of his former owner's recent death. "We haven't said anything to him yet," she says, adding that his mood over the past few days has been typically chimp-like: "He's been his usual self, interacting with friends, eating well, taking cover when it rains."
Ragan says it's not yet known if Jackson stipulated that any money from his estate would be used to support Bubbles, who could easily live to the age of 60. To this date, his care has come from solely from public donations. To learn more about Bubbles's new home, go to www.centerforgreatapes.org.
just saw Stevie Wonder's song for Mike on the VH1 memorial rebroadcast.
it was BADASS.
Here's about as good of a tribute as any from some dudes that worked with him:
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=2143368&mesg_id=2143368&page=
Quote from: Hicks on July 09, 2009, 05:29:42 PM
Here's about as good of a tribute as any from some dudes that worked with him:
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=2143368&mesg_id=2143368&page=
Heady stuff.
Anyone hear the John Mayer version of "Human Nature" from the funeral/eulogy/tribute concert?
Good stuff and reminiscient of Miles Davis' versions of the tune from the late 80's. (See 88 Live at the Montreux Jazz Fest).
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on July 10, 2009, 11:23:18 AM
Anyone hear the John Mayer version of "Human Nature" from the funeral/eulogy/tribute concert?
Good stuff and reminiscent of Miles Davis' versions of the tune from the late 80's. (See 88 Live at the Montreux Jazz Fest).
I thought his performance was fantastic although it left me wishing the backing band had not kicked in and instead let him continue solo. Concerning John Mayer, I think he is a brilliant guitarist with some monster chops although I don't necessarily like all his song writing. During a show of his that I caught, he dropped a solo in Gravity that left my jaw on the floor. He also draws some gorgeous tones from that SRV Strat and the four amp mix he uses.
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on July 10, 2009, 11:23:18 AM
Anyone hear the John Mayer version of "Human Nature" from the funeral/eulogy/tribute concert?
Good stuff and reminiscient of Miles Davis' versions of the tune from the late 80's. (See 88 Live at the Montreux Jazz Fest).
Just youtubed it...nice...
Quote from: goodabouthood on July 11, 2009, 09:35:30 AM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on July 10, 2009, 11:23:18 AM
Anyone hear the John Mayer version of "Human Nature" from the funeral/eulogy/tribute concert?
Good stuff and reminiscient of Miles Davis' versions of the tune from the late 80's. (See 88 Live at the Montreux Jazz Fest).
Just youtubed it...nice...
Which one Mayer, Miles or both? They're both worth the time, really. Miles Davis' might come accross as sort of cheesy, however. I know it did the first time I saw it in College.
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on July 11, 2009, 07:41:07 PM
Quote from: goodabouthood on July 11, 2009, 09:35:30 AM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on July 10, 2009, 11:23:18 AM
Anyone hear the John Mayer version of "Human Nature" from the funeral/eulogy/tribute concert?
Good stuff and reminiscient of Miles Davis' versions of the tune from the late 80's. (See 88 Live at the Montreux Jazz Fest).
Just youtubed it...nice...
Which one Mayer, Miles or both? They're both worth the time, really. Miles Davis' might come accross as sort of cheesy, however. I know it did the first time I saw it in College.
There's a nice '86 Miles show up at LL that has a sweet version on it. Check it out.
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on July 11, 2009, 07:41:07 PM
Quote from: goodabouthood on July 11, 2009, 09:35:30 AM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on July 10, 2009, 11:23:18 AM
Anyone hear the John Mayer version of "Human Nature" from the funeral/eulogy/tribute concert?
Good stuff and reminiscient of Miles Davis' versions of the tune from the late 80's. (See 88 Live at the Montreux Jazz Fest).
Just youtubed it...nice...
Which one Mayer, Miles or both? They're both worth the time, really. Miles Davis' might come accross as sort of cheesy, however. I know it did the first time I saw it in College.
the mayer one. I'll try and find the miles here when i get a chance.
yeah, it was ok. maybe I'm missing something here, but I'm still kinda wondering WTF Mayer was doing playing at MJ's funeral?
Quote from: antelope19 on July 13, 2009, 10:05:42 AM
yeah, it was ok. maybe I'm missing something here, but I'm still kinda wondering WTF Mayer was doing playing at MJ's funeral?
token white guy.
Quote from: blatboom on July 13, 2009, 11:05:10 AM
Quote from: antelope19 on July 13, 2009, 10:05:42 AM
yeah, it was ok. maybe I'm missing something here, but I'm still kinda wondering WTF Mayer was doing playing at MJ's funeral?
token white guy.
Plus, I think they were porn buddies. You know, had a key to each others place, so that if one dies, the other goes to his place and removes all the porn from his house before his wife/girlfriend/family finds it.
Quote from: antelope19 on July 13, 2009, 10:05:42 AM
yeah, it was ok. maybe I'm missing something here, but I'm still kinda wondering WTF Mayer was doing playing at MJ's funeral?
Electric Guitar, much like MJ, makes white people dance.
Quote from: goodabouthood on July 13, 2009, 10:02:13 AM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on July 11, 2009, 07:41:07 PM
Quote from: goodabouthood on July 11, 2009, 09:35:30 AM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on July 10, 2009, 11:23:18 AM
Anyone hear the John Mayer version of "Human Nature" from the funeral/eulogy/tribute concert?
Good stuff and reminiscient of Miles Davis' versions of the tune from the late 80's. (See 88 Live at the Montreux Jazz Fest).
Just youtubed it...nice...
Which one Mayer, Miles or both? They're both worth the time, really. Miles Davis' might come accross as sort of cheesy, however. I know it did the first time I saw it in College.
the mayer one. I'll try and find the miles here when i get a chance.
I posted a youtube of a Miles version earlier - either on this thread or the favorite MJ song thread. It was only a partial though. I have a complete audio version from 89 at home I can dig up.
here it is
http://www.sendspace.com/file/0jmm8k
I saw Miles with this lineup a few weeks after this show. One of the most intense concert experiences of my life.
Thanks!
Here it is off youtube as well:
This is kinda a nice tribute
I cant watch it for too long though
http://www.eternalmoonwalk.com/
I'd just like to say that if your toes leave the ground, it's NOT moonwalking.
Here's a pretty cool version of Man in the Mirror. Tuck Andress is a great acoustic guitar player.
I like where this thread is going...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32542682/?GT1=43001
Quote
The Los Angeles County coroner ruled Michael Jackson's death a homicide, a law enforcement official told the Associated Press on Monday. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the findings have not been publicly released.
Quote from: antelope19 on August 24, 2009, 05:11:49 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32542682/?GT1=43001
Quote
The Los Angeles County coroner ruled Michael Jackson's death a homicide, a law enforcement official told the Associated Press on Monday. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the findings have not been publicly released.
:-o
Wow.
Of course if MJ instructed the physician to inject him that amount, is it still a "homicide"?
Honest question, I don't know much about these types of things.
anesthesia.
damn.
thats like a whole new level.
Quote from: Hicks on August 24, 2009, 05:39:01 PM
Wow.
Of course if MJ instructed the physician to inject him that amount, is it still a "homicide"?
Honest question, I don't know much about these types of things.
Yes. Doctors take an oath when they become Doctors "the Hippocratic Oath", basically it states that Doctors always have to treat patients in a way that is beneficial to the patient. Additionally, most states have laws that hold a doctor liable criminally when their gross negligence directly causes harm to a patient, especially when that negligence involves providing prescription drugs for recreational use and not for the treatment of a real disorder or disability.
If it's true he provided anasthesia to help MJ sleep, regardless of the fact that MJ requested it, he will probably be held liable for his death.
Damn, just damn. Anesthesia for sleeping. What ever happened to having a couple of beers and taking an Excedrin PM?
The thing is, he had already been using that anesthetic as a sleep aid for quite a while.
Quote from: Hicks on August 24, 2009, 10:55:08 PM
The thing is, he had already been using that anesthetic as a sleep aid for quite a while.
Unless the doctor was trying to therapeutically and slowly detox mj and can prove it (i'm pretty sure he wasn't and can't...I could be wrong tho), I'm pretty sure the doc will be found guilty.
Also, I wouldn't be surprised if the promoter of the Michael Jackson shows and the Jackson family didn't both sue the doctor with a wrongful death claim.
That doctor=fizzucked.
Quote from: Hicks on August 24, 2009, 10:55:08 PM
The thing is, he had already been using that anesthetic as a sleep aid for quite a while.
Yes, but after having his head get severely burned and the legitimate surgeries for that and then all the other ruinous elective surgeries, he probably needed something stronger to force the issue... still a shame even if he did creep me out.
It's been widely reported that MJ had issues with painkillers. This doctor has admitted in Police interviews to administering the drug and even that he was lowering dosage in an attempt to wean MJ off of it. Either way, the drug was administered outside of its legal designation and it doesn't look good for Dr. Enabler.
Quote from: rowjimmy on August 25, 2009, 12:02:53 AM
It's been widely reported that MJ had issues with painkillers. This doctor has admitted in Police interviews to administering the drug and even that he was lowering dosage in an attempt to wean MJ off of it. Either way, the drug was administered outside of its legal designation and it doesn't look good for Dr. Enabler.
Yeah, at best it looks like he will be owing the family and the promoter damages due to wrongful death.
Also, his medical license should be terminated soon.
Dr=Fizzucked.
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on August 25, 2009, 12:05:51 AM
Quote from: rowjimmy on August 25, 2009, 12:02:53 AM
It's been widely reported that MJ had issues with painkillers. This doctor has admitted in Police interviews to administering the drug and even that he was lowering dosage in an attempt to wean MJ off of it. Either way, the drug was administered outside of its legal designation and it doesn't look good for Dr. Enabler.
Yeah, at best it looks like he will be owing the family and the promoter damages due to wrongful death.
Also, his medical license should be terminated soon.
Dr=Fizzucked.
He won't likely get the 'at best' situation. There's pressure to do something about this medical enabling.
Yeah, it looks like he's getting Scapegoated. I agree with that whole heartedly.
They were talking about it on the radio today, I cant believe he was still going after the second dose of lorazepam, if i was the dr I would say go take a jog, youll get tired, but then midazolam (guess it knocks ya out before surgery) I would be sleeping for weeks after that.
crazy, crazy
2 of the drugs used, midazolam (versed) and propafol (Diprivan) are meant to be administered in the hospital with appropriate monitoring - propafol should only be given if someone is present with the ability to put the patient on a ventilator. There's no way you can defend giving these 2 drugs in someone's house.
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on August 25, 2009, 12:05:51 AM
Quote from: rowjimmy on August 25, 2009, 12:02:53 AM
It's been widely reported that MJ had issues with painkillers. This doctor has admitted in Police interviews to administering the drug and even that he was lowering dosage in an attempt to wean MJ off of it. Either way, the drug was administered outside of its legal designation and it doesn't look good for Dr. Enabler.
Yeah, at best it looks like he will be owing the family and the promoter damages due to wrongful death.
Also, his medical license should be terminated soon.
Dr=Fizzucked.
He'll never have enough money to cover the damages to the family and AEG. AEG lost billions when MJ died. The sad part is he (the doc) was making a TON of money "servicing" MJ and is now looking at a substantial amount of jail time because he couldn't say no to MJ.
Quote from: rowjimmy on August 25, 2009, 12:13:05 AM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on August 25, 2009, 12:05:51 AM
Quote from: rowjimmy on August 25, 2009, 12:02:53 AM
It's been widely reported that MJ had issues with painkillers. This doctor has admitted in Police interviews to administering the drug and even that he was lowering dosage in an attempt to wean MJ off of it. Either way, the drug was administered outside of its legal designation and it doesn't look good for Dr. Enabler.
Yeah, at best it looks like he will be owing the family and the promoter damages due to wrongful death.
Also, his medical license should be terminated soon.
Dr=Fizzucked.
He won't likely get the 'at best' situation. There's pressure to do something about this medical enabling.
I imagine that the doc's supplier is also liable in a civil suit. Pharmacies shouldn't be dispensing this stuff.
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on August 25, 2009, 12:19:00 AM
Yeah, it looks like he's getting Scapegoated. I agree with that whole heartedly.
whatever he gets, it's not scapegoating. this is more than just a little beyond the pale of medical practice
Quote from: inourdr on August 25, 2009, 02:30:17 PM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on August 25, 2009, 12:05:51 AM
Quote from: rowjimmy on August 25, 2009, 12:02:53 AM
It's been widely reported that MJ had issues with painkillers. This doctor has admitted in Police interviews to administering the drug and even that he was lowering dosage in an attempt to wean MJ off of it. Either way, the drug was administered outside of its legal designation and it doesn't look good for Dr. Enabler.
Yeah, at best it looks like he will be owing the family and the promoter damages due to wrongful death.
Also, his medical license should be terminated soon.
Dr=Fizzucked.
He'll never have enough money to cover the damages to the family and AEG. AEG lost billions when MJ died. The sad part is he (the doc) was making a TON of money "servicing" MJ and is now looking at a substantial amount of jail time because he couldn't say no to MJ.
That's not "sad" it's shameful.
Quote from: rowjimmy on August 26, 2009, 08:35:52 AM
Quote from: inourdr on August 25, 2009, 02:30:17 PM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on August 25, 2009, 12:05:51 AM
Quote from: rowjimmy on August 25, 2009, 12:02:53 AM
It's been widely reported that MJ had issues with painkillers. This doctor has admitted in Police interviews to administering the drug and even that he was lowering dosage in an attempt to wean MJ off of it. Either way, the drug was administered outside of its legal designation and it doesn't look good for Dr. Enabler.
Yeah, at best it looks like he will be owing the family and the promoter damages due to wrongful death.
Also, his medical license should be terminated soon.
Dr=Fizzucked.
He'll never have enough money to cover the damages to the family and AEG. AEG lost billions when MJ died. The sad part is he (the doc) was making a TON of money "servicing" MJ and is now looking at a substantial amount of jail time because he couldn't say no to MJ.
That's not "sad" it's shameful.
Yeah, I think it has something to do with that pesky Hippocratic oath thing.
Quote from: rowjimmy on August 26, 2009, 08:35:52 AM
Quote from: inourdr on August 25, 2009, 02:30:17 PM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on August 25, 2009, 12:05:51 AM
Quote from: rowjimmy on August 25, 2009, 12:02:53 AM
It's been widely reported that MJ had issues with painkillers. This doctor has admitted in Police interviews to administering the drug and even that he was lowering dosage in an attempt to wean MJ off of it. Either way, the drug was administered outside of its legal designation and it doesn't look good for Dr. Enabler.
Yeah, at best it looks like he will be owing the family and the promoter damages due to wrongful death.
Also, his medical license should be terminated soon.
Dr=Fizzucked.
He'll never have enough money to cover the damages to the family and AEG. AEG lost billions when MJ died. The sad part is he (the doc) was making a TON of money "servicing" MJ and is now looking at a substantial amount of jail time because he couldn't say no to MJ.
That's not "sad" it's shameful.
Very true. Thanks for the correction.
I'm surprised they haven't tried to go after MJ's previous physicians. I'm pretty sure from the sounds of the story that this dude is not the first dude to administer these drugs to MJ. Especially since he was only his doc for three weeks.
I think every doctor who hooked him up on the fly should be held as accountable as the unlucky doc who happened to be the one on duty when he died.
bet ya they will, or at least will try
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on August 26, 2009, 07:15:50 PM
I think every doctor who hooked him up on the fly should be held as accountable as the unlucky doc who happened to be the one on duty when he died.
I concur.
A buddy of mine just showed me this...
(http://popbytes.com/img/necover-2009-1.jpg)
Top right corner - 'Michael Jackson - 6 months to live'
Bottom, just right of center (issued date) - 'January 12th, 2009'
DAMN, THEY WHERE CLOSE!
:shakehead:
Quote from: antelope19 on December 13, 2010, 03:35:42 PM
:shakehead:
I know... Rosie O'Donnell without pants on, eeewwwwww
5 years ago today. Hard to believe.
damn cant believe that
might have to que up Off the Wall
Will def be playing Thriller later.
Camden 2001
yupp, 4 years ago.
that was great.
Quote from: antelope19 on June 25, 2014, 04:38:43 PM
5 years ago today. Hard to believe.
michael.....jacksons......dead? :cry:
https://youtu.be/9shByOh8fVE (https://youtu.be/9shByOh8fVE)
^ I guess YT won't embed here if you have a start time indicated in the URL. Skip to 101:18 if you like, or watch the whole show if you're inclined. Either way, you win.
Yeah, thanks a bunch for filling my last 2 hours.
:beers:
Pretty good.
For a child rapist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuTGUHPJI1s
Quote from: VDB on June 24, 2020, 01:33:05 PM
https://youtu.be/9shByOh8fVE (https://youtu.be/9shByOh8fVE)
^ I guess YT won't embed here if you have a start time indicated in the URL. Skip to 101:18 if you like, or watch the whole show if you're inclined. Either way, you win.
HOLY FUCK! That was 15 amazing minutes! The bass solo was a little weak at the start, but the rest was golden! And what the hell instrument is that Kiss outcast playing? I've never seen anything like that before.
ETA: I looked into what that instrument is, and still don't know. But I found out that Sheryl Crow is one of the back-up singers in this video.
that's a Synth-Axe, the same thing Futureman made into his first Drumitar. and yeah, dude looks like he walked right off the Animalize tour, codpiece and all
all those guys are fantastic players and I dug it for sure, but boy were the 80s a terrible time for tone.