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Quote from: jedifunk on November 23, 2022, 12:47:19 PMwow, I didn't realize there was so much "meh" around 11/21. to me its a super underrated show. that entire second set is just sick.

and the slave is imho the best they've ever played. definitely my favorite version by a long distance.

I was very surprised by chillwigs "ranking" of it as middle of the road. might be top 5 for me.

Emotional Rescue is a bad song.

But that jam tho, so sick.  One of the best of the tour imo. 

finally got a chance to listen to 11/23. stash was legit.

while the bathtub is pretty fire, I don't find it "does much." maybe that's the point.

underrated? I think its appropriately rated.

I skipped ahead this morning and listened to 11/26. I always forget about the jammed Character Zero. That second set is something special for sure. Phish was definitely destroying America on this tour.

Quote from: jedifunk on November 24, 2022, 11:50:51 AMfinally got a chance to listen to 11/23. stash was legit.

while the bathtub is pretty fire, I don't find it "does much." maybe that's the point.

underrated? I think its appropriately rated.

in teh undermine broadcast they were talking about this gin and the guest said something along the lines of its like a JAckson pollack painting. just throwing shit at a canvas.
i guess thats why i like it so much. i love pollock.
but yeah i get why people dont like it.
idk, for me its definitely my fav gin they ever played except maybe riverport and i have a bias against riverport bc i had to listen to it from the parking lot LOL.

but still, i just love the intense randomness of the main part of the jam... To me its pure hose, completely free of 'trying' to form anything coherant. just purely expressive and lifts me to another level.
and also, i think people overlook the jam in the last 5 min or whatever.
i LOVE this cooldown section.
Its the perfect compliment to the first 15 min of balls to the wall headache inducing blaze.
Maybe they did this same jam another time? It suprises me people don't even mention the chill section when talking about the Gin as a whole TBH.

Regardless, i think the main takeaway from the Winston salem show should be that is was basically the 3rd Hampton show.
The 3 shows should be considered a trifecta and the sets taken as a whole all compliment each other and exhibit all aspects of the band from the tour.
 For local VA heads this was the run alot of us did, and by Sunday we were all pretty much toast.
After 2 days of nonstop disco partying @ Hampton, the NC show ended up being most of us just getting shitfaced drunk.
I definitely recall making margaritas on lot and the Gin was very appropriate for the mindset of my crew at the time.

totally agree on the chill down section, love that riff that trey has going.

I really liked what brinkman was saying about this being this show basically being the yang to the Hampton's yin. I think this show really showcases how multifaceted the band truly is. from deep funk, to spacey exploration to straight up rock shredding.

in that context this show is appropriately rated.

QuoteWEDNESDAY 11/26/1997
HARTFORD CIVIC CENTER
Hartford, CT
SET 1: Tweezer > Sparkle > Gumbo > My Soul, McGrupp and the Watchful Hosemasters, Dirt, Split Open and Melt, The Horse > Silent in the Morning[1], Taste

SET 2: Character Zero[2] -> Also Sprach Zarathustra[2] -> Cities -> Ya Mar > Punch You in the Eye > Prince Caspian, Poor Heart[3] > Tweezer Reprise

ENCORE: Cavern[4]

[1] lyric changed to "bask in morning sickness."
[2] Unfinished.
[3] Began as Rocky Top.
[4] Original, alternate lyrics.

Silent's lyrics were changed to "bask in morning sickness." Character Zero and 2001 were unfinished. Trey teased Super Bad in 2001. Poor Heart began as Rocky Top. Cavern included some of the original, alternate lyrics.

I've always had this show in my darkhorse category for fall 97. but on this most recent listen, I walked away wanting more.

the tweezer is pretty good, but doesn't do much more than the standard fall 97 stuff, which is all amazing but still left me wanting. cool that it was show opener, but that's only cool in the moment really. rest of the set is well played and there are a few good moments in gumbo and split open.

zero to open set 2 was, again, cool in the moment. yes its jammed out, but there's not a lot of substance imho. I did find it interesting that it seems to be the middle section of hard rocking on this tour. the first was the gin on 11/23, which you could hear the influence of in the zero. the other is the wolfmans coming up on 11/30, which you can definitely hear the influence the zero has on it. I had never put that connection together before.

I will say the segues in this set are so tight though! the zero->2001 is so smooth as is the 2001->cities. past this point though the set sort of falls away for me.

I'd put this solidly in the middle class of fall 97

Goddam! I forgot how incredible the 11/28 sbd sounds! And it's such a great show!

QuoteFRIDAY 11/28/1997
WORCESTER CENTRUM CENTRE
Worcester, MA
SET 1: The Curtain > You Enjoy Myself[1] -> I Didn't Know, Maze, Farmhouse, Black-Eyed Katy, Theme From the Bottom > Rocky Top

SET 2: Timber (Jerry the Mule) > Limb By Limb, Slave to the Traffic Light > Ghost > Johnny B. Goode

ENCORE: My Soul

[1] No bass and drums segment.

YEM featured Crosseyed and Painless teases, did not include the bass and drums segment, and ended with a shortened vocal jam that segued into I Didn't Know.

Quote from: jedifunk on November 28, 2022, 07:09:08 AMI've always had this show in my darkhorse category for fall 97. but on this most recent listen, I walked away wanting more.

the tweezer is pretty good, but doesn't do much more than the standard fall 97 stuff, which is all amazing but still left me wanting. cool that it was show opener, but that's only cool in the moment really. rest of the set is well played and there are a few good moments in gumbo and split open.

zero to open set 2 was, again, cool in the moment. yes its jammed out, but there's not a lot of substance imho. I did find it interesting that it seems to be the middle section of hard rocking on this tour. the first was the gin on 11/23, which you could hear the influence of in the zero. the other is the wolfmans coming up on 11/30, which you can definitely hear the influence the zero has on it. I had never put that connection together before.

I will say the segues in this set are so tight though! the zero->2001 is so smooth as is the 2001->cities. past this point though the set sort of falls away for me.

I'd put this solidly in the middle class of fall 97

yeah, this one is definitely a step down from the weekend prior, but the
Character Zero[2] -> Also Sprach Zarathustra[2] -> Cities -> Ya Mar combo is pretty wonderful!

Quote from: mistercharlie on November 28, 2022, 11:50:27 AMGoddam! I forgot how incredible the 11/28 sbd sounds! And it's such a great show!

hook a brotha up?

Quote from: GBL on November 28, 2022, 06:20:36 PM

Quote from: mistercharlie on November 28, 2022, 11:50:27 AMGoddam! I forgot how incredible the 11/28 sbd sounds! And it's such a great show!

hook a brotha up?

http://phish.in/1997-11-28

I usually use Phish.in for my 'in-office' workday Phish. I've got the flacs on either a disc or a hard drive if you want a copy to DL.

Don't forget the monster Jim from the next night is available in sbd on LB#3

Quote from: anthrax on November 28, 2022, 08:31:50 PMDon't forget the monster Jim from the next night is available in sbd on LB#3

That's what I'll be listening to when I get to that part. I may even throw these videos on today.

Set I video

Set II video

QuoteSATURDAY 11/29/1997
WORCESTER CENTRUM CENTRE
Worcester, MA
SET 1: The Wedge, Foam, Simple -> The Man Who Stepped Into Yesterday > Avenu Malkenu > The Man Who Stepped Into Yesterday, The Sloth, Ginseng Sullivan, Saw It Again, Horn, Water in the Sky, David Bowie

SET 2: Runaway Jim[1] > Strange Design > Harry Hood > Prince Caspian, Suzy Greenberg

ENCORE: Buffalo Bill, Moby Dick[2] > Fire

[1] Almost an hour long.
[2] Trey imitated Robert Plant's intro to Moby Dick from the album The Song Remains the Same.

This Runaway Jim is one of the longest versions of any song ever played by Phish. It ran slightly under an hour and included Beauty of My Dreams and Super Bad teases and a strong Weekapaug jam where the entire melody of Weekapaug was played. Buffalo Bill was announced as Fish's favorite song. Moby Dick was performed for the first time since February 19, 1993 (435 shows) and featured Trey imitating Robert Plant's intro to Moby Dick from the album The Song Remains the Same.