Jedi made 10-07, I made 10-06.
20001006 uses a template, as all setlists should (just for the top section). I think this is the format we want.
The image goes to the right of the setlist with a set size. I have it at 200px, but that can change.
I used the html code instead of == in a lot of places because I didn't think sections were necessary, nor did I want to clog the thing with all the [edit] links to the right. I figure if you want to edit the title/setlist, you can hit edit at the top of the page. I did however, leave section edition for Links and Notes sections and intend to have it available for other sections added in the future.
At the top, it also links to the tour and year page. The title links to the overall setlist page. All those are created in the template. You use the template I made by making your top line look like this __NOTOC__{{Setlist|yyyy|Month d|Tour|Venue, City, ST|stubyyyymmdd.jpg}}. Where yyyy is a 4-digit year and Month d is like October 7. You guys should get the rest. Look at 20001006 as an example...
We need to allow image uploading... tet?
I liked the look of the Setlists page on wikka, and think we can do the same here. There will be a lot of sections but oh well, they are sections so they can be linked to. Plus it does make it easy to edit just one setlist at a time.
Basically, I want to see how 20001006 looks after we can get an image uploaded. Once that is done, and everyone is cool with the layout, then we can continue to add details. I'll be looking into the setlists page first thing in the morn.
It's only 1:40 AM... Where are you guys at? :-o
Jephrey
Setlists page is partially complete... 20001006 is done to me.
Check it. and let me know what you think. Please give me all your "why'd you do that" questions and other suggestions. Let's get this one down right away!
Oh, and after some deliberation, I don't think it's necessary to use categories. i got an idea for a few things, but it turns out that although the feature is automatic, we want to provide better links in a tabled format... Remember the year and tour pages jedi? It wouldn't hurt, but it'd be extra text at the bottom of every page. I say no, but what do you guys think about them?
OK, I'm fuckin tired. g'night
J
this is what I like to see. A sixer in his system and he's still busting his ass for free.
Thank you mr. mediawiki Man this bud light is for you :wink:
edit: I noticed that I messed the joke the up, so I fixed it :-P
k, image uploads should be working...
someone is going to have to give me a lesson in mediawiki!
sweet jeph! i'll spend some time today poking around..
i will be the 1st to volunteer to do the year & tour pages! that was my favorite part of the original wiki...
that said, i'll look at what jephs done and comment back.
Well, very similar but you don't have to denote when using html.
Templates are cool, just look up how to use them. The explanation isn't perfect, but that in conjunction with what I did in our wiki should give you an idea. Links can contain spaces
[[Heavy Things]]
to display something different, you use the vertical line
[[Also Sprach|2001]]
to link to an anchor on the same page (and anchors are any header, or thing enclosed in "=" signs)
[[#2000]], but to make the link say 2000... [[#2000|2000]]
on a different page
[[Setlists#2000]] or [[Setlists#2000|2000]]
tables are like
{| border="0" width="100%"
| row1 col1
| row1 col2
| align=center | row1 col3
|-
| colspan="2" | row2 col 1&2
| row2 col3
|}
etc etc etc. pretty similar.
I used html for bold instead of making things headers (in cases where we don't need links) with "=" signs because headers are sections, and sections are editable and have an [edit] "link" to the right.
That's the gist of it. there's other stuff that we'll learn and that will come back to us as we get going.
Image scaling doesn't seem to work... After a bit of searching, I found this but don't know.
"Imagemagick must be installed separately from Mediawiki or you can use the GD libraries"
I put a placeholder image for the stub in the template... Pretty cool..
i have to enable that on the server, i think it's installed... gimme a few mins...
ok, i enabled resizing, but imagemagick does have to be installed separately. i'll look into that after lunch
Anyone good at creating like an Icon? You know the image in the upper left at wikipedia? could we do one like that for this? I don't know if joneym did his avatars himself, but if so, he may be a good candidate to make our "logo". How can this be manipulated to fit week4paug/wikipaug?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/bc/Wiki.png/104px-Wiki.png)
Thanks tet! I assume I'm getting this because imagemagick isn't in...
Incomplete GD library configuration: missing function imagecreatefromjpeg
J
i could put something together...
perhaps, make a collage of band photos, and map it onto the globe, and then put WikiPaug, "sharin our groove with you" under it...
or something like that.
Quote from: jephrey on April 18, 2006, 11:02:19 AM
Thanks tet! I assume I'm getting this because imagemagick isn't in...
Incomplete GD library configuration: missing function imagecreatefromjpeg
J
installed imagemagick. i'm not sure where you're getting that error so i can't test if it now works, gotta be more specific... lemme know.
That did the trick. Scaling is working and all is good. Thanks again.
Everyone check our 20001006 and let me know what you think.
J
cool :mrgreen:
ok, honestly, on the detail pages, do we need the numbers for each set? i dont like that... just me?
definitely need to work on the setlists page layout.. figure a better way of doing each tour... i also would prefer something besides commas between each date... i like the way phish.net does it with |
i also think we need to somehow address an expanded naming system... i mean, not everyone labels dates the same... some will come here and try to search using 10/6/00... under that system you'd never find anything. it has to be 20001006... wish there was a way to add "keywords" to pages... that way doing a search for 10.6.00 would return something....
Quote from: jedifunk on April 18, 2006, 12:24:04 PM
ok, honestly, on the detail pages, do we need the numbers for each set? i dont like that... just me?
If you mean before each song, then I agree. It's not like we're listing track numbers.
Quote from: jedifunk on April 18, 2006, 12:27:19 PM
definitely need to work on the setlists page layout.. figure a better way of doing each tour... i also would prefer something besides commas between each date... i like the way phish.net does it with |
The commas just don't work. Besides using the | , i'm not sure what else would work though.
Looks better withe the | Jedi. But something still seems a little off with the layout.
Spring Tour - 15 | 15a | 16 | 18 | 19 | 19a | 21 | 22 | 23
the Hypen between tours and dates just doesn't look right in the scheme of things. Any other opinions?
why don't we use some of those fancy frame boxes for a tour? i've seen so many nice layouts on wikipedia, we should try to copy some of those ideas
The Box idea sounds great actually. Maybe the tours should be a different color from the dates.
Good ideas, throw it out there.
At first, I started with just another line that gave the tours to link to instead of putting them in line with the dates in each month... Mybe resurrect that idea? Also, maybe instead of putting like the month and then each date, we could scrap the months and then make each link it's own like [[10/06]] [[10/07]] [[Whatever Tour]] [[11/28]] etc... Or maybe just group by tour instead of month? I'll put some bs in a different year to look at.
As for the numbers on the setlist page, it's a good reference to how many songs were played in the set. Even if not on a disc, they're still track numbers. I am for them, but we can let the democratic process decide. I think the initial idea is to allow someone who has a fileset to start their text file with a copy/paste of the details page. but whatever.
Quote from: jephrey on April 18, 2006, 01:10:49 PM
As for the numbers on the setlist page, it's a good reference to how many songs were played in the set. Even if not on a disc, they're still track numbers. I am for them, but we can let the democratic process decide. I think the initial idea is to allow someone who has a fileset to start their text file with a copy/paste of the details page. but whatever.
Hmmmm...you may have changed my mind. The idea that somone may want to copy the fileset is a possibility. Ok, I'm for the numbers. :-D
One more thing... standardization on date. We can't appease everyone so we have to go with something. I think the way we have it is fine. Look up "redirects". It'll be an effort but we can redirect all other date formats, song abbreviations etc.
Oh, and what do you guys think of 1999 on the setlists page? I'll be messing with borders and colors to make it look better. If you want a sandbox, just do it under another year for yourself.
J
I like the tour set-up under 1999. Although we'll have to revert to months for the early years I would think.
i like it, but i think months make more sense in general... i mean, are early september 2000 shows before the 21st considered summer tour? because they certainly are in the summer, but the tour continues into fall... same with the june 17/18/19/20 shows in 2004, those are spring tour dates that extend into the rest of the summer "tour".
i know it's semantics, but months are easier to categorize and will create uniformity throughout. i don't like the idea of having months for the first 10 years of the band, then switching to tours...
i would agree... how did we have it in the 1st wiki?
Like it was, by months... We can do it in a table... I'll adjust what I had there if you guys haven't done anything.
J
perhaps if the tour links were on the same line as the year (1999), or directly underneath, but before the horizontal line.. that might look good
eww, that looks worse! i hate tables!
no borders, but colors would be ok...
i still like the idea of getting them next to or directly below the year date.
It looks good with the tours under the year. Maybe put some more space between tours and the months and then use the | to separate the days.
Ok...so I can't seem to create another year so I can try out a template. What do I need to do?
Getting close!
You won't need to make any templates...
First, I think we should change how we name the details pages. 20001006 is cool, but why not name the page October 6, 2000. Then We wouldn't have to have the date written, it'd be automatic on every page just based on the page name. We can delete this if it's not cool. I'll do it with 10-05.
J
It's the wrong setlist but what do you guys think of October 5... The title of the page is up there so it doesn't have to be written. Then I have the venue with links to the tour, year, and setlist pages over to the right. I like this format better because of the page naming being exactly the "title" of the page and not having it say. I updated the template accordingly.
20001005
October 5, 2005
venue.....
lemme know.
i like the october 5, 2000 better.
a
Think we should put a "next show", "previous show" on the Details page?
I do...
I made the 10-06 page again with the new title. Speak up now if you want to chime in on which way to do it. Aug and myself like this format so far and I'm kinda running with it. I'll try and do some next/previous tonight. It may be some work on our part, but it's a great feature.
So before I go home...
I used the Month day, year notation for Oct 5, 6, and 7. There is a page that must be deleted. 20001006. I learned how to "move" a page after I had copied that one.
The bottom part of the details page is good IMO. The top, which uses a template may need tweaking so go and look at other ways to do it. Even if you come up with a way, I can apply it to the template. (which is Template:Setlist) BTW. Please don't mess with it, I'll take care of that. I think the layout isn't the greatest with the links to the tour, year, and setlist page, and we'll want to add a next and previous link as well. Just let me know what the layout should be and I'll do it. I'll also be working on it and posting my findings.
J
shouldnt we have the venue on the list page?
a
I'm like the setup jeph.
I also think a next/previous show link would be cool.
I also thought it would be kind of cool to have the stats of each show (like the everyday companion)
example:
http://www.everydaycompanion.com/setlists/20050324a.asp (http://www.everydaycompanion.com/setlists/20050324a.asp)
I know jedi isn't a chart person, but if we could do something similar, i think that could be very helpful.
just a thought.
20001006 deleted, by request
This is just my vision and opinion, but song stats can go on the song page... It's nice to have them there on the setlist page, but I personally wouldn't want them among the tracklisting, because as I mentioned before, A copy/paste could be used to generate a standard text file. Now, as for charts and stuff, sure, maybe another section below called statistics, or notables, or something to that effect. We already have a good bit of detail, at this point, I am content where it is for now... However, I, for one, am totally open to additions and changes if everyone is for it too.
As I said, the only thing I think needs tweaking is the top part (before Set 1:) on the details page. On the setlists page, I wonder if you guys like what I did under 1999 and if we should use that under 2000 and go from there...
J
i like what is under 1999.
however, i'm wondering if we're really planning on having a single page that has every setlist from every show... it may be organized nicely, but that is going to be hell for dialup users, and it will end up using a hell of a lot more bandwidth from us. i dunno how much AJAX support is built into this software, but maybe we can dynamically load each year or so based on a top-level menu. even frame support would be useful...
or (to rip off phish.net again) we could have a seperate page for each year...
separate page for every year makes the most sense. technically, we're ripping off the Oxford English Dictionary by using properly spelled words that are organized in relevance to their actual diction, but hey... :-D
So maybe "setlists" is just a page of links to each year/tour page and the year and tour pages actually have the setlists... That sounds ok although we'd then have to have the setlist in 3 places(although it'd be exactly the same on the year and tour pages so it'd be copy-paste)... You guys think? I'd be down.
J
how in 3 places? they would be on the "year" page and the actual "show" page, but where else? i presume the tours and years would be overlapped on a single page, no? i don't see the need for individual tour pages, other than for organizational purposed (creates a lot of extra work, albeit copy-paste work...)
Yeah, that's what I meant but I see your point. Tour pages would be like a tour in review. The year page would give highlights etc and the tour pages would be a little more intricate. I suppose we could still have tour pages, but they wouldn't need to have setlists or anything. Maybe just a blurb abour the tour and stuff. Good Call.
so perhaps we should have a search function or quicklink on the main page that will get you to the appropriate setlists page...
or perhaps (again like phish.net), the main Setlists page could have the most recent sets (coventry) and then links to all the other years...
i do like the idea of the tour pages... i always enjoyed the almanac for that... having things like "top 5" or "most underrated" or "week4paugs groove" (for the jams we feel personify a particular tour)...
Well, I like the tour pages too... But they can be added really at any time, we can just make the links to them... I'm not a big fan of the "most recent" although it really doesn't matter. I guess if Phish is playing it's important, but without, it's hardly ever that I'd want to see coventry. That top page could have some news, the freshest ph seeds at etree (and maybe other sites) and other pertinent links. In any case, the most important part is the links to the year pages. Maybe the Setlists page should go away and the links are all at the main page? Unless we wanted the setlists page to be able to be able to link to a tour or month anchor on the year page (we can make invisible month anchors on the year page so that we can link down to them). Hmmmm.
J
i don't think the main setlist page should have any setlists on it. the "most recent" setlists of Coventry may be there for 50 years, and that's pointless and a waste of bandwidth. the latest setlists will obviously be at the latest date entered, so i don't see a need to clutter the page any more than necessary.
the idea of tour pages is actually fine as long as we're not cluttering those with setlists either. top 5 jams and whatnot are cool, though we're pullin from the Almanac a bit now... not that there's anything wrong with that! :)
pages in general should look neat and simple. i'm looking into how wikipedia makes those nice text boxes with faded colors as the background, but they seem to be down today, or at least having serious server issues. i think they are just a table with a background color set, but perhaps they have setup a nice template we can gank.
well, i guess i need some direction then... cuz i've been trying to jump into this, and just dont know where to start.
i wish i could remember what the original wiki looked like. that would help a lot.
Site layout...
Main page... Obviously like a top directory to the wiki, maybe with news and other links
Setlists... go look at what I did there. It basically has the header for each year. It can link to the setlists portion of any year page...
Year... I made the 2000 page (at least the setlists portion). It has that same thing at the top as the setlists page, allows you to go to the next or previous year, or to the setlists page. The links at each setlist go to the details page.
Tour... Yeah.
Check out what I did... Do you guys think a previous/next show on the details page would be good?
C'mon, it's the middle of the day. Are you guys actually doing work at work?
I've got things straight... IMO, we're ready to start with some busy work.
Go check it out. The only thing I really am unsure of is the format of the top section on the details page, fortunately, that can be changed in the template and will change across all setlists... So it's not a hold-up.
J
you got it... i'll start with the US summer tour.
I'm ready to get down to business as well. Should I just start at the beginning of fall tour?
p.s 2-17-97 set 2 totally rules!! :mrgreen:
i forgot.... what are we doing about things labeled on setlists as "jam"?
also, what do we want to do with the hiatus return show? 12/31/02... does it get its own setlist, tour, details page? i guess so...
also, are we gonna use
2001 or Also Sprach Zarathustra
is it Jesus Left Chicago or Jesus Just Left Chicago
what about "&"? are we spelling out "and" or using "&"?
Quote from: jedifunk on April 19, 2006, 07:43:04 PM
also, what do we want to do with the hiatus return show? 12/31/02... does it get its own setlist, tour, details page? i guess so...
special shows in general should get their own page in a sense... like Big Cypress should be its own "section" or "tour", whatever we wanna call it. same with the rest of the festies...
Quote from: jedifunk on April 19, 2006, 07:43:04 PM
also, what do we want to do with the hiatus return show? 12/31/02... does it get its own setlist, tour, details page? i guess so...
i would label it as part of the subsequent winter tour that followed. (or at least with the hampton run- nye/holiday run)
just my .02
do we really want to give nye 2002 its own page? I mean clifford ball, great went, lemmonwheel, cypress, nye 2002, it, conventry
find the one that doesn't match :roll:
maybe we could have a festivals page/section
is that a good/bad idea?
also when are going to enter in the PH stuff? I can do that, if no one else wants to.
well, there is the appearances on tv in 2002 so the page will not be for nothing, technically, those TV appearances and NYE should be on a single year page for 02. It'll be short, but maybe there will be a lot to say for that year like the announcement that they will return etc... We hadn't discussed this in the past
The following are things that have been discussed when doing the previous wiki. They are subject to debate. I'm just calling it how I remember.
It's 2001, and I just thought of something funny, we can actually use that as the page name for the song too because 2001 is the ONLY year that Phish didn't play. That works out nice.
Timber (Jerry)
&/and - however Phish does it. We want to use full, correct names and I believe 99-100% have it spelled
Jesus Just Left Chicago is the true name of the song.
We can definitely have an individual page for specific festivals like the Ball Lemonwheel, Went, NYE2k, hampton, and less desired runs like that short tour in vegas. Those are kinda after the fact and can be added later. These events will usually be part of a tour and be on a tour page. However, the tour page can point to the specific festival page for more detail.
If a song isn't part of another at all and it is a jam, we have 1 name for it... "Jam". There will be a song page called Jam and it will have every jam in it. So there is no Fukuoka jam or denver jam or whatever. It's all just Jam.
and that's what I remember...
One more thing... We're doing 2000 and working backwards. We MUST check each others' work. I'll be perusing and making comments. Don't take them personally, I may come off as aristocratic, but I'm just trying to be consistent. I'll personally be working backwards from 10-07.
J
yes sir!!
um sir :wink: , you didn't anwser the PH question,
Quotealso when are going to enter in the PH stuff? I can do that, if no one else wants to.
what is PH stuff?
Quote from: tet on April 19, 2006, 10:17:08 PM
what is PH stuff?
2002-2004 Phish
we're kind of leaving it out by starting at 10/7/00 and going backwards. Unless we want to refuse to aknowledge PH phish, and have wiki only focus on the good shit. :evil:
also, is it Chalk Dust Torture or Chalkdust Torture?
Quote from: jedifunk on April 19, 2006, 10:25:43 PM
also, is it Chalk Dust Torture or Chalkdust Torture?
Chalkdust Torture, according to A Picture of Nectar
Quote from: phan003 on April 19, 2006, 10:21:30 PM
Quote from: tet on April 19, 2006, 10:17:08 PM
what is PH stuff?
2002-2004 Phish
we're kind of leaving it out by starting at 10/7/00 and going backwards. Unless we want to refuse to aknowledge PH phish, and have wiki only focus on the good shit. :evil:
don't make me kick you out of the project before we get started... :-D
using PH in on a Phish board when not referring to the band itself is confusing to the little brains like myself. go slowly!!
tet, valid point, I just couldn't resist, as Dennis Leary once said "I'm an asshole" :wink:
anyway I was just curious how we would handle phish's PH shows.
same as the PH shows ;) (note: "post" and "pre" begin with the same letter)
:-D
once i get up to the 6-14 show, should i link to the livephish dry goods store?
a
sure, good idea
Ah, maybe before you got here we discussed finishing all pre before doing post... I can't remember why, I think Jedi had a good explanation.
You know how much that pisses me off that it's Chalkdust? I wrote that on ever text file, yet when I looked in the back of the Pharmers it said the true spelling is Chalk Dust. grammatically it should be hyphenated I think, but whatever... I have been changing everything to Chalk Dust. But alas it should be Chalkdust as Phish has it.
J
Yeah, see 10-07 on how... It's a bulleted list.
something I saw...
slow Uncle Pen jam should either be part of Uncle Pen, or just Jam... And all things Jam should still be a link. It'll be cool to have a page that notes all undefined jams.
J
i asked that earlier in the thread... all "jams" will be labeled as "jam"? guess i'm ok with that
That's what I remember from last time... And I only mentioned it again because it was labeled different in the setlist... I also saw Jam out there but there were no quotes around it so it wasn't a link. That's what I was referring to.
J
yep, i left it that way on purpose, till i got confirmation on how we were gonna proceed...
so i'm on it again
OK people, bare with me on this one. I'm a little retarded today and can't seem to figure out how to start a new setlist and a new details page. Is it similar to the old wiki? I tried to read through all the threads but didn't find anything.
definitely spacey
g
you first need to create a set on the list page.
at the top of the page hit edit.
type in stuff like uhfkjskfghsajhglkasjkgjhaskljghasklvhajglhaklhjgailghasjgjhljglh
dont forget to save it on the bottom, then click on the new show you put in to make the details page......
a
Duh! :roll:
Thanks for settin' me straight aug