I suggest you do the same.
LOL
That one is on deck after I'm done with the Trey Bklyn show.
epic Bowie
Autzen Stadium, Eugene, OR (Saturday, 6/18/94)
(Cracker Opened)
Jack Straw
Sugaree
All Over Now
Tennessee Jed
Me & My Uncle ->
Maggie's Farm
Candyman
Easy Answers
China Cat Sunflower ->
I Know You Rider
Women Are Smarter
Crazy Fingers ->
Corrrina ->
Drums ->
Space ->
The Last Time ->
The Days Between ->
One More Saturday Night
E: I Fought the Law
Decent show for '94, I really like the laid back China > Rider, Jerry's "trumpet" solo during Women R Smarter is fun too. Otherwise pretty standard for Summer '94.
haha... lol thats funny.
anyway, the 6/18/94 PHISH show always had this mystique within the group of kids who listened to Phish at my high school; when I was first finally really actually starting to really start actually listening to Phish, this was the show they always talked about as being like, THE phish show.
honestly, yeah its good, but nothing really gets me that much from it. I mean granted, i don't really like '94 Phish much anyways, but even with its excellent playing, its definitely not a desert island show, for me.
i can only imagine what it must have been like for Trey, though, during that Divided Sky......
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on August 10, 2008, 01:14:56 PM
haha... lol thats funny.
anyway, the 6/18/94 PHISH show always had this mystique within the group of kids who listened to Phish at my high school; when I was first finally really actually starting to really start actually listening to Phish, this was the show they always talked about as being like, THE phish show.
honestly, yeah its good, but nothing really gets me that much from it. I mean granted, i don't really like '94 Phish much anyways, but even with its excellent playing, its definitely not a desert island show, for me.
i can only imagine what it must have been like for Trey, though, during that Divided Sky......
:-o
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on August 10, 2008, 01:14:56 PM
haha... lol thats funny.
anyway, the 6/18/94 PHISH show always had this mystique within the group of kids who listened to Phish at my high school; when I was first finally really actually starting to really start actually listening to Phish, this was the show they always talked about as being like, THE phish show.
honestly, yeah its good, but nothing really gets me that much from it. I mean granted, i don't really like '94 Phish much anyways, but even with its excellent playing, its definitely not a desert island show, for me.
i can only imagine what it must have been like for Trey, though, during that Divided Sky......
what is your favorite era of Phish?
Quote from: bvaz on August 10, 2008, 01:21:40 PM
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on August 10, 2008, 01:14:56 PM
haha... lol thats funny.
anyway, the 6/18/94 PHISH show always had this mystique within the group of kids who listened to Phish at my high school; when I was first finally really actually starting to really start actually listening to Phish, this was the show they always talked about as being like, THE phish show.
honestly, yeah its good, but nothing really gets me that much from it. I mean granted, i don't really like '94 Phish much anyways, but even with its excellent playing, its definitely not a desert island show, for me.
i can only imagine what it must have been like for Trey, though, during that Divided Sky......
what is your favorite era of Phish?
well... i just accidentally hit the Escape key and deleted everything I wrote.... but in general, Fall 97-Summer '00 is my favorite era. Specifically, Fall '98 through Cypress is my shit. Fall '98 and the 2 Fall '99 tours are my 2 favorite specific tours, and contain most of my favorite shows and jams (12/31/98 Mike's, Ghost, 11/11/98 Ghost, 9/18 Boogie On, 12/11/99 Ghost, 12/12/99 Drowned, 12/13/99 Piper, 12/30/99 Ghost)
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on August 10, 2008, 01:14:56 PM
haha... lol thats funny.
anyway, the 6/18/94 PHISH show always had this mystique within the group of kids who listened to Phish at my high school; when I was first finally really actually starting to really start actually listening to Phish, this was the show they always talked about as being like, THE phish show.
honestly, yeah its good, but nothing really gets me that much from it. I mean granted, i don't really like '94 Phish much anyways, but even with its excellent playing, its definitely not a desert island show, for me.
i can only imagine what it must have been like for Trey, though, during that Divided Sky......
geez man
Quote from: slslbs on August 10, 2008, 01:19:04 PM
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on August 10, 2008, 01:14:56 PM
haha... lol thats funny.
anyway, the 6/18/94 PHISH show always had this mystique within the group of kids who listened to Phish at my high school; when I was first finally really actually starting to really start actually listening to Phish, this was the show they always talked about as being like, THE phish show.
honestly, yeah its good, but nothing really gets me that much from it. I mean granted, i don't really like '94 Phish much anyways, but even with its excellent playing, its definitely not a desert island show, for me.
i can only imagine what it must have been like for Trey, though, during that Divided Sky......
:-o
was driving home into a wild thunderstorm while Maze was on. The frenetic energy of Trey's solo was a perfect match for the lightning show
:-)
edit: spelling corrected before the spelling / grammer nazis get me
Quote from: slslbs on August 10, 2008, 08:59:12 PM
was driving home into a wild thunderstorm while Maze was on. The frenetic energy of Trey's solo was a perfect match for the lightening show
:-)
Quote from: jedifunk on August 09, 2008, 02:57:50 PM
how about any trey solo during maze
:lol:
LOL, same thing went through my mind
Quote from: natronzero on August 10, 2008, 03:28:25 PM
Quote from: slslbs on August 10, 2008, 01:19:04 PM
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on August 10, 2008, 01:14:56 PM
haha... lol thats funny.
anyway, the 6/18/94 PHISH show always had this mystique within the group of kids who listened to Phish at my high school; when I was first finally really actually starting to really start actually listening to Phish, this was the show they always talked about as being like, THE phish show.
honestly, yeah its good, but nothing really gets me that much from it. I mean granted, i don't really like '94 Phish much anyways, but even with its excellent playing, its definitely not a desert island show, for me.
i can only imagine what it must have been like for Trey, though, during that Divided Sky......
:-o
Not sure what's not to like about Phish '94... :?
That particular show has a few "moments" in it that really show what it is that those four dudes can do to blow your mind.
Quote from: Mr Minor on August 10, 2008, 10:25:38 PM
Quote from: natronzero on August 10, 2008, 03:28:25 PM
Quote from: slslbs on August 10, 2008, 01:19:04 PM
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on August 10, 2008, 01:14:56 PM
haha... lol thats funny.
anyway, the 6/18/94 PHISH show always had this mystique within the group of kids who listened to Phish at my high school; when I was first finally really actually starting to really start actually listening to Phish, this was the show they always talked about as being like, THE phish show.
honestly, yeah its good, but nothing really gets me that much from it. I mean granted, i don't really like '94 Phish much anyways, but even with its excellent playing, its definitely not a desert island show, for me.
i can only imagine what it must have been like for Trey, though, during that Divided Sky......
:-o
Not sure what's not to like about Phish '94... :?
That particular show has a few "moments" in it that really show what it is that those four dudes can do to blow your mind.
Technical precision isn't Gumbo's thing, apparently.
Quote from: slslbs on August 10, 2008, 01:19:04 PM
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on August 10, 2008, 01:14:56 PM
haha... lol thats funny.
anyway, the 6/18/94 PHISH show always had this mystique within the group of kids who listened to Phish at my high school; when I was first finally really actually starting to really start actually listening to Phish, this was the show they always talked about as being like, THE phish show.
honestly, yeah its good, but nothing really gets me that much from it. I mean granted, i don't really like '94 Phish much anyways, but even with its excellent playing, its definitely not a desert island show, for me.
i can only imagine what it must have been like for Trey, though, during that Divided Sky......
:-o
Freal? Sucks for you.
im upset about the 94 comment and im sure jim is too :|
Quote from: GBL on August 10, 2008, 03:27:04 PM
geez man
you must not know me very well, lol.
But yeah, i mean... sure, ALO is totally great. To be honest, I'm more about their Type II jamming, of which the best is found after 1997. If i'm going to listen to pre-funk Phish, its either Fall '95 or 80's.
06-18-94 UIC Pavillion, University of Illinois, Chicago, IL
1: Wilson-> Rift, AC/DC Bag, Maze, The Mango Song-> Down With Disease, It's Ice, Dog Faced Boy-> The Divided Sky, Sample in a Jar
2: Peaches en Regalia > Mind Left Body jam > David Bowie, Horn, McGrupp and the Watchful Hosemasters, Tweezer-> Lifeboy, You Enjoy Myself, Chalk Dust Torture
E: Bouncing Around the Room-> Tweezer Reprise
I'm not even sure if I've ever heard this show!! Maybe I have....fuck I'm an idiot.
Someone traded me set II for a grillled cheese sandwich back during summer 95 (mud island, iirc) and it became our go to music for the rest of the tour. Still have the XLII on top of my deck. Phenomenal show....Gumbo, get your head out of your ass :wink:
best use of a grilled cheese sandwich ever
Quote from: birdman on August 11, 2008, 07:27:38 AM
Someone traded me set II for a grillled cheese sandwich back during summer 95 (mud island, iirc) and it became our go to music for the rest of the tour. Still have the XLII on top of my deck. Phenomenal show....Gumbo, get your head out of your ass :wink:
lol dude I know its a great show. I totally get that. The playing is flawless. It just doesn't do it for me, content-wise, the way their later stuff does.
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on August 11, 2008, 02:35:45 PM
lol dude I know its a great show. I totally get that. The playing is flawless. It just doesn't do it for me, content-wise, the way their later stuff does.
Quote from: rowjimmy on August 10, 2008, 10:27:57 PM
Technical precision isn't Gumbo's thing, apparently.
(http://www.defensetech.org/images/Space%20Jam.jpg)
^^ lol :-D
if you want to listen to why I like post-funk so much more than pre-funk, just spin the 12/7/99 Halley's Comet. WOW. The jam is so... happy, and uplifting. You'll know when you get to the part. pre-96 Phish would have NEVER made a jam like that.
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on August 11, 2008, 09:14:14 PM
if you want to listen to why I like post-funk so much more than pre-funk, just spin the 12/7/99 Halley's Comet. WOW. The jam is so... happy, and uplifting. You'll know when you get to the part. pre-96 Phish would have NEVER made a jam like that.
And thank god for that./me takes pre-96 anyday.
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on August 11, 2008, 09:14:14 PM
if you want to listen to why I like post-funk so much more than pre-funk, just spin the 12/7/99 Halley's Comet. WOW. The jam is so... happy, and uplifting. You'll know when you get to the part. pre-96 Phish would have NEVER made a jam like that.
93, tinley park antelope... the end of the first part
way more uplifting
I'll definitely go back to that Live Phish release. I haven't listened it since I bought it because I hated that Antelope... the crazy dissonant Tinley Park Jam or whatever part.
that 12/7 Halley's is the fucking shit, though. official.
yeah, thats a nice version
the part in that antelope is approx 9 mins and beyond....
when trey comes in after a while 10:30 or so with those bends....
I dont care if the world explodes my friends
Quote from: Declan on August 11, 2008, 09:31:00 PM
yeah, thats a nice version
the part in that antelope is approx 9 mins and beyond....
when trey comes in after a while 10:30 or so with those bends....
I dont care if the world explodes my friends
that makes me think of the ending to the 7/22/03 Gumbo. The string-bend licks Trey plays at the end.... IS the most glorious thing the band ever played. fucking glorious.
you've definitely intrigued me, though, about this Antelope......
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on August 11, 2008, 09:28:08 PM
I'll definitely go back to that Live Phish release. I haven't listened it since I bought it because I hated that Antelope... the crazy dissonant Tinley Park Jam or whatever part.
Quote from: Hicks on August 11, 2008, 02:50:58 PM
(http://www.virginmedia.com/images/gruesome_scanners_431x300.jpg)
yeah... i thought that jam into have mercy was the shizznit
now, ill show u the exact reason why i like early phish, especially 93'
Antelope
1993/03/28 Easy Gym (Humbolt State U), Arcata, California
this key change during the jam is just unreal....
u just dont get that kind of thing these days
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on August 11, 2008, 09:44:02 PM
that makes me think of the ending to the 7/22/03 Gumbo.
:roll: Really?
:-P
if you've ever listend to it, you would know what I'm talking about
We've all heard it but I, for one, haven't found it worthy of the hours of study that you have clearly dedicated.
I haven't heard it... but I will now, and I'll get back to you
Quote from: rowjimmy on August 12, 2008, 01:10:39 PM
We've all heard it but I, for one, haven't found it worthy of the hours of study that you have clearly dedicated.
aud, or sbd? The SBD reveals it in all its glory... Page's understated organ is such a huge part of the ending section, and its in the background even on the sbd source.
Its one of those jams that deserves your undivided attention. Theres so many intricate details; its not a balls-out rocking jam you can drive to, like the 7/10/99 Chalkdust or 6/23/04 Crosseyed Jam.
i donno... just listening to it, you can totally see how keyed in they all were to each other... the slightest change spurs everyone else to modify their playing, and to continually shape and evolve the jam. And the part in the middle when Trey copies Page? Fucking beautiful.
Don't even get me started about the ending. When Trey turns the wah on and does his little trill lick and then Fish starts doing his drum fills.... and Trey's bent-string ending licks..... ugh. Fucking a. If that shit doesn't make you wanna punch someone in the face out of the sheer beauty and glory of being alive, I don't know what will.
I've heard the SBD, it's aight.
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on August 12, 2008, 02:27:26 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on August 12, 2008, 01:10:39 PM
We've all heard it but I, for one, haven't found it worthy of the hours of study that you have clearly dedicated.
aud, or sbd? The SBD reveals it in all its glory... Page's understated organ is such a huge part of the ending section, and its in the background even on the sbd source.
Its one of those jams that deserves your undivided attention. Theres so many intricate details; its not a balls-out rocking jam you can drive to, like the 7/10/99 Chalkdust or 6/23/04 Crosseyed Jam.
i donno... just listening to it, you can totally see how keyed in they all were to each other... the slightest change spurs everyone else to modify their playing, and to continually shape and evolve the jam. And the part in the middle when Trey copies Page? Fucking beautiful.
Don't even get me started about the ending. When Trey turns the wah on and does his little trill lick and then Fish starts doing his drum fills.... and Trey's bent-string ending licks..... ugh. Fucking a. If that shit doesn't make you wanna punch someone in the face out of the sheer beauty and glory of being alive, I don't know what will.
I must admit, I've never felt like punching someone in the face for that reason.
I'll give you this...
It is the best part of that 07-22-2003 show.
How they pull that out after the PAINFUL PYITE/Beauty opener is beyond me.
Nice jam.
Listen to more Phish, tho.
a
Quote from: G. Augusto on August 12, 2008, 02:32:16 PM
Listen to more Phish, tho.
a
For me anyways, my favorite jams are the ones that I come back to time and time again, despite whatever other music I'm wrapped around - this being said, I don't think listening to more phish will influence Gumbo's feelings for this particular gumbo jam; he clearly loves it and I bet his opinion of it wont change, no matter how much phish he listens to... or at least, that's how I feel about my favorites :phish:
Quote from: slslbs on August 12, 2008, 02:29:30 PM
I must admit, I've never felt like punching someone in the face for that reason.
Dude, you're totally missing out. :lol:
Quote from: MiamiPhish on August 12, 2008, 02:42:37 PM
Quote from: G. Augusto on August 12, 2008, 02:32:16 PM
Listen to more Phish, tho.
a
For me anyways, my favorite jams are the ones that I come back to time and time again, despite whatever other music I'm wrapped around - this being said, I don't think listening to more phish will influence Gumbo's feelings for this particular gumbo jam; he clearly loves it and I bet his opinion of it wont change, no matter how much phish he listens to... or at least, that's how I feel about my favorites :phish:
Uhhh...no shit.
How long you been here?
a
Quote from: G. Augusto on August 12, 2008, 02:57:59 PM
Quote from: MiamiPhish on August 12, 2008, 02:42:37 PM
Quote from: G. Augusto on August 12, 2008, 02:32:16 PM
Listen to more Phish, tho.
a
For me anyways, my favorite jams are the ones that I come back to time and time again, despite whatever other music I'm wrapped around - this being said, I don't think listening to more phish will influence Gumbo's feelings for this particular gumbo jam; he clearly loves it and I bet his opinion of it wont change, no matter how much phish he listens to... or at least, that's how I feel about my favorites :phish:
Uhhh...no shit.
How long you been here?
a
Uhhh... listen to more Phish, thx.
Quote from: MiamiPhish on August 12, 2008, 04:20:32 PM
Quote from: G. Augusto on August 12, 2008, 02:57:59 PM
Quote from: MiamiPhish on August 12, 2008, 02:42:37 PM
Quote from: G. Augusto on August 12, 2008, 02:32:16 PM
Listen to more Phish, tho.
a
For me anyways, my favorite jams are the ones that I come back to time and time again, despite whatever other music I'm wrapped around - this being said, I don't think listening to more phish will influence Gumbo's feelings for this particular gumbo jam; he clearly loves it and I bet his opinion of it wont change, no matter how much phish he listens to... or at least, that's how I feel about my favorites :phish:
Uhhh...no shit.
How long you been here?
a
Uhhh... listen to more Phish, thx.
That's pretty much impossible for Aug, let me direct you to:
http://week4paug.net/index.php?topic=2811.3405
Quote from: Hicks on August 12, 2008, 04:23:40 PM
Quote from: MiamiPhish on August 12, 2008, 04:20:32 PM
Quote from: G. Augusto on August 12, 2008, 02:57:59 PM
Quote from: MiamiPhish on August 12, 2008, 02:42:37 PM
Quote from: G. Augusto on August 12, 2008, 02:32:16 PM
Listen to more Phish, tho.
a
For me anyways, my favorite jams are the ones that I come back to time and time again, despite whatever other music I'm wrapped around - this being said, I don't think listening to more phish will influence Gumbo's feelings for this particular gumbo jam; he clearly loves it and I bet his opinion of it wont change, no matter how much phish he listens to... or at least, that's how I feel about my favorites :phish:
Uhhh...no shit.
How long you been here?
a
Uhhh... listen to more Phish, thx.
That's pretty much impossible for Aug, let me direct you to:
http://week4paug.net/index.php?topic=2811.3405
as well as....
http://week4paug.net/index.php?topic=6469.0
http://week4paug.net/index.php?topic=9581.0
http://week4paug.net/index.php?board=14.0
or any of the vs. threads.
there he issss......
Honestly, how old are you?
You seemed to omit it from your profile...
a
Quote from: G. Augusto on August 12, 2008, 02:32:16 PM
I'll give you this...
It is the best part of that 07-22-2003 show.
How they pull that out after the PAINFUL PYITE/Beauty opener is beyond me.
Nice jam.
Listen to more Phish, tho.
a
You know honestly, I THINK I might have to disagree with you here. In all honesty, I'm torn between what is the best part of 7/22/03: the absolutely magnificently glorious Gumbo, or the FLUBLESS Divided Sky. Like, seriously... that is far and away the best PH Divided Sky, hands down. How Trey pulled that out of his ass.... god knows. Maybe that sick Gumbo jam transported him back 9 years to the UIC Pavillion, and all he simply had to do was watch himself play the song again, and all was fine. We'll never know.
I still don't get how more people out there don't love this Gumbo at least somewhat close to as much as I do. Regardless, its good to be back 8-)
Good to have you back, mang.
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on August 12, 2008, 04:55:47 PM
Quote from: G. Augusto on August 12, 2008, 02:32:16 PM
I'll give you this...
It is the best part of that 07-22-2003 show.
How they pull that out after the PAINFUL PYITE/Beauty opener is beyond me.
Nice jam.
Listen to more Phish, tho.
a
You know honestly, I THINK I might have to disagree with you here. In all honesty, I'm torn between what is the best part of 7/22/03: the absolutely magnificently glorious Gumbo, or the FLUBLESS Divided Sky. Like, seriously... that is far and away the best PH Divided Sky, hands down. How Trey pulled that out of his ass.... god knows. Maybe that sick Gumbo jam transported him back 9 years to the UIC Pavillion, and all he simply had to do was watch himself play the song again, and all was fine. We'll never know.
I still don't get how more people out there don't love this Gumbo at least somewhat close to as much as I do. Regardless, its good to be back 8-)
You've heard EVERY PH Sky, right?
a
Quote from: G. Augusto on August 12, 2008, 04:58:03 PM
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on August 12, 2008, 04:55:47 PM
Quote from: G. Augusto on August 12, 2008, 02:32:16 PM
I'll give you this...
It is the best part of that 07-22-2003 show.
How they pull that out after the PAINFUL PYITE/Beauty opener is beyond me.
Nice jam.
Listen to more Phish, tho.
a
You know honestly, I THINK I might have to disagree with you here. In all honesty, I'm torn between what is the best part of 7/22/03: the absolutely magnificently glorious Gumbo, or the FLUBLESS Divided Sky. Like, seriously... that is far and away the best PH Divided Sky, hands down. How Trey pulled that out of his ass.... god knows. Maybe that sick Gumbo jam transported him back 9 years to the UIC Pavillion, and all he simply had to do was watch himself play the song again, and all was fine. We'll never know.
I still don't get how more people out there don't love this Gumbo at least somewhat close to as much as I do. Regardless, its good to be back 8-)
You've heard EVERY PH Sky, right?
a
I mean, who hasn't?
Aside from Gumbo?
a
Quote from: G. Augusto on August 12, 2008, 04:58:03 PM
You've heard EVERY PH Sky, right?
a
I dont think ALL of them, but I've heard a number of them. Whats your point?
GUMBO, YOU'RE BEING CALLED OUT!!!!
:-P
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on August 12, 2008, 04:59:45 PM
Quote from: G. Augusto on August 12, 2008, 04:58:03 PM
You've heard EVERY PH Sky, right?
a
I dont think ALL of them, but I've heard a number of them. Whats your point?
My point is...
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on August 12, 2008, 04:55:47 PM
or the FLUBLESS Divided Sky. Like, seriously... that is far and away the best PH Divided Sky, hands down.
a
i'm still confused.... the fact that it is made of flublessness automatically puts it in said spot?
Quote from: antelope19 on August 12, 2008, 05:00:31 PM
GUMBO, YOU'RE BEING CALLED OUT!!!!
:-P
meh. lived through the first one; i'll be fine :wink:
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on August 12, 2008, 05:03:29 PM
i'm still confused.... the fact that it is made of flublessness automatically puts it in said spot?
No. The fact that it is THE BEST PH Sky, yet you have not heard EVERY PH version of Divided Sky.
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on August 12, 2008, 04:55:47 PM
or the FLUBLESS Divided Sky. Like, seriously... that is far and away the best PH Divided Sky, hands down.
lol... alright fine.
but come on... do I really need to hear EVERY PH version to know that 7/22/03 is the best?
Dude you need to go into politics.
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on August 12, 2008, 05:09:09 PM
lol... alright fine.
but come on... do I really need to hear EVERY PH version to know that 7/22/03 is the best?
Dude you need to go into politics.
Nah...A small sample size will always suffice.... :roll:
a
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on August 12, 2008, 04:55:47 PM
Quote from: G. Augusto on August 12, 2008, 02:32:16 PM
I'll give you this...
It is the best part of that 07-22-2003 show.
How they pull that out after the PAINFUL PYITE/Beauty opener is beyond me.
Nice jam.
Listen to more Phish, tho.
a
You know honestly, I THINK I might have to disagree with you here. In all honesty, I'm torn between what is the best part of 7/22/03: the absolutely magnificently glorious Gumbo, or the FLUBLESS Divided Sky. Like, seriously... that is far and away the best PH Divided Sky, hands down. How Trey pulled that out of his ass.... god knows. Maybe that sick Gumbo jam transported him back 9 years to the UIC Pavillion, and all he simply had to do was watch himself play the song again, and all was fine. We'll never know.
I still don't get how more people out there don't love this Gumbo at least somewhat close to as much as I do. Regardless, its good to be back 8-)
It's a good jam fo' sho, but honestly if I compare it to something like Seven Below from the Gorge or Scents from Camden '03 or even the Twist from SPAC it gets smoked and that's just comparing PH jamz.
Quote from: G. Augusto on August 12, 2008, 05:10:01 PM
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on August 12, 2008, 05:09:09 PM
lol... alright fine.
but come on... do I really need to hear EVERY PH version to know that 7/22/03 is the best?
Dude you need to go into politics.
Nah...A small sample size will always suffice.... :roll:
a
oh but you know I'm right, anyway :-D
Quote from: G. Augusto on August 12, 2008, 05:10:01 PM
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on August 12, 2008, 05:09:09 PM
lol... alright fine.
but come on... do I really need to hear EVERY PH version to know that 7/22/03 is the best?
Dude you need to go into politics.
Nah...A small sample size will always suffice.... :roll:
a
Dude, but what about all this "Guiseppe Augusto for President" stuff I was hearing about?
(http://www.impawards.com/2006/posters/borat.jpg)
Quote from: G. Augusto on August 12, 2008, 04:49:41 PM
Honestly, how old are you?
You seemed to omit it from your profile...
a
wait, uh, so did you... and it says you're a girl.
I'm 22. You don't look a day over 30.
i've heard every PH divided sky. it's not that tricky a feat to pull off.
the best is miami, 12/29/03. so there.
Quote from: cactusfan on August 12, 2008, 07:09:44 PM
i've heard every PH divided sky. it's not that tricky a feat to pull off.
the best is miami, 12/29/03. so there.
yea only 13 of em, shouldn't be too hard
Quote from: MiamiPhish on August 12, 2008, 05:55:40 PM
(http://www.impawards.com/2006/posters/borat.jpg)
SWEET!!!!
Quote from: cactusfan on August 12, 2008, 07:09:44 PM
i've heard every PH divided sky. it's not that tricky a feat to pull off.
the best is miami, 12/29/03. so there.
interesting. I'll be checking this out... the only one I've heard that is actually completely flubless through composed parts and even harmonically un-fucked-up in the jams is the 7/22/03 version
since this thread is already in Type II territory...
I'd like to know: a) if in fact the 7/22/03 D.Sky is indeed flawless, and b) what the best PH D. Sky is. (the only one I think I saw was 3/1/03 and it hurts my ears)
...so anyways, 6-18-94- I'm going to give that a listen tonight, I'll report back :-)
okay, this thread exploded while i was driving today....
not my territory :(......
lets talk about type XIII jamming..
anyone?
too many notes ? :evil:
i also dont get why ppl have to pull pictures and videos out to insult each other...
augs lookin damn sexy in that :-o
Sky, a potential bathroom break song for me :-o
17Feb1997 is my fav. Sky, nice resonance at the Paradiso. :mrgreen:
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on August 12, 2008, 09:59:31 PM
Quote from: cactusfan on August 12, 2008, 07:09:44 PM
i've heard every PH divided sky. it's not that tricky a feat to pull off.
the best is miami, 12/29/03. so there.
interesting. I'll be checking this out... the only one I've heard that is actually completely flubless through composed parts and even harmonically un-fucked-up in the jams is the 7/22/03 version
i listened to the 7/22/03 version just now. didn't really do it for me. once they get to the jam at the end, it picks up steam. but up until then, it's kind of lifeless. no match for 12/29/03.
and i listened to your namesake gumbo. that's a good song. it's no match for the best gumbos... but for PH, i like it.
Quote from: susep73 on August 13, 2008, 12:04:47 AM
Sky, a potential bathroom break song for me :-o
17Feb1997 is my fav. Sky, nice resonance at the Paradiso. :mrgreen:
crazy talk! bathroom break? dang.
Quote from: Declan on August 12, 2008, 11:35:01 PM
okay, this thread exploded while i was driving today....
not my territory :(......
lets talk about type XIII jamming..
anyone?
too many notes ? :evil:
i also dont get why ppl have to pull pictures and videos out to insult each other...
augs lookin damn sexy in that :-o
haha, I think a lot of people looked away for 5 minutes and came back to craziness...
as for 6-18-94... the highlight for me was the Bowie (duh?) as it is certainly one of the finest versions they played. I am also beginning to think that June '94 might be the best month of phish ever, at least close. It's hard to vote against 8/93 or 12/95, but here we go into type II again - another thread another night.
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on August 12, 2008, 04:55:47 PM
the FLUBLESS Divided Sky.
Honestly, flublessness is not a concept I've ever used to describe a great version of any song. Mostly PH phenomenon, I guess.
can a song be flubly?
Memories of Phish at UIC Pavillion 1994-06-18. Fourth of 4 in a row seen in June 94.
2 different junkies from the towers across the street tried to sell me tapes in the lot. OJ was big news.
Inside, I got down on the floor and was up in it until Maze when some ham fisted security douche ripped my sweet ass tie dye thowing me up into the mezz.
(http://iheartmykitties.googlepages.com/doucherippedtiedye.jpg)
I promptly jumped back down and maintained a more leisurely position closer to the rear of the floor. The floor wasn't that big, but this was the largest place I'd seen the phish thus far and definitely the furthest back I'd been... the lights were nice :-D
Met up with a good friend from HS who I hadn't seen in a few years up in the seats at set break and got back down on the floor after the lights went out. After Peaches cooked me back up, seeing the kids who knew what a mind left body jam is start to look around... and then it was all smiles everywhere...
:syf:
By the end of the set, the floor was just a slight tiny bit more totally packed, and I got back up with my friend (it was the last time I'd ever see the guy, too) and his sister in the seats for the encore. After, the consensus was that we had all just experienced a for real pretty damn hot show. Also, other commentary included stuff about how this was definitely a "big city" show, and about how the show in the arena had a distinctly different feel from the theatre shows that preceded it. Was this the start of a new era for the phish? Anyway, the tapes stand up for me; I don't listen to it often, but when I do, I can totally feel it.
^^^^ Thanks for the story. Always good to hear attendees' memories.
Yeah that's really awesome, thanks for sharing!
Off the top of your head do you know the capacity at UIC Pavillion?
http://vacations.gofox.com/tickets/Venue.php?venue=176
Capacity is 10k
cool, thanks.
curious - Trey has talked about the Divided Sky that night as a special moment. Any memories of it in particular?
Quote from: antelope19 on August 13, 2008, 10:46:19 AM
http://vacations.gofox.com/tickets/Venue.php?venue=176
Capacity is 10k
Pharmer's Almanac says 8,239. Whatever.
Quote from: StCarl on August 13, 2008, 09:58:57 AM
Memories of Phish at UIC Pavillion 1994-06-18. Fourth of 4 in a row seen in June 94.
2 different junkies from the towers across the street tried to sell me tapes in the lot. OJ was big news.
Inside, I got down on the floor and was up in it until Maze when some ham fisted security douche ripped my sweet ass tie dye thowing me up into the mezz.
(http://iheartmykitties.googlepages.com/doucherippedtiedye.jpg)
I promptly jumped back down and maintained a more leisurely position closer to the rear of the floor. The floor wasn't that big, but this was the largest place I'd seen the phish thus far and definitely the furthest back I'd been... the lights were nice :-D
Met up with a good friend from HS who I hadn't seen in a few years up in the seats at set break and got back down on the floor after the lights went out. After Peaches cooked me back up, seeing the kids who knew what a mind left body jam is start to look around... and then it was all smiles everywhere...
:syf:
By the end of the set, the floor was just a slight tiny bit more totally packed, and I got back up with my friend (it was the last time I'd ever see the guy, too) and his sister in the seats for the encore. After, the consensus was that we had all just experienced a for real pretty damn hot show. Also, other commentary included stuff about how this was definitely a "big city" show, and about how the show in the arena had a distinctly different feel from the theatre shows that preceded it. Was this the start of a new era for the phish? Anyway, the tapes stand up for me; I don't listen to it often, but when I do, I can totally feel it.
Cool story, indeed '94 marked the beginning of a new chapter of Phish.
I'm sure the venue capacity varies with the type of the event being held.
Thanks for the info guys, +k
Quote from: blatboom on August 13, 2008, 08:01:45 AM
Quote from: MiamiPhish on August 13, 2008, 02:57:47 AM
can a song be flubly?
can any PH song be flubless?
Could the opposite of flubless be flubful? That could describe a few PH songs....
Flubhead!!!!!!!!!! Flubby, Flubby, Flubbyhead!!!
Quote from: Hicks on August 13, 2008, 07:07:07 PM
Flubhead!!!!!!!!!! Flubby, Flubby, Flubbyhead!!!
:lol:
maybe they
should have busted it out.
flubtrillescent?
(http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/050623/82941__lipton_l.jpg)
Quote from: blatboom on August 12, 2008, 11:16:40 PM
since this thread is already in Type II territory...
I'd like to know: a) if in fact the 7/22/03 D.Sky is indeed flawless, and b) what the best PH D. Sky is. (the only one I think I saw was 3/1/03 and it hurts my ears)
Yes, it actually is. Thats what makes it so crazy. It REALLY IS flubless. I've listened to it so many times, scrutinizing every little part.
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on August 14, 2008, 09:48:34 AM
Quote from: blatboom on August 12, 2008, 11:16:40 PM
since this thread is already in Type II territory...
I'd like to know: a) if in fact the 7/22/03 D.Sky is indeed flawless, and b) what the best PH D. Sky is. (the only one I think I saw was 3/1/03 and it hurts my ears)
Yes, it actually is. Thats what makes it so crazy. It REALLY IS flubless. I've listened to it so many times, scrutinizing every little part.
I'm going to check it tonight. If it ain't perfect I'm gonna come looking for you. :wink:
Have you listened to the Tinley Antelope again? (with your ears open this time?? :wink: :wink:)
Quote from: blatboom on August 14, 2008, 09:56:38 AM
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on August 14, 2008, 09:48:34 AM
Quote from: blatboom on August 12, 2008, 11:16:40 PM
since this thread is already in Type II territory...
I'd like to know: a) if in fact the 7/22/03 D.Sky is indeed flawless, and b) what the best PH D. Sky is. (the only one I think I saw was 3/1/03 and it hurts my ears)
Yes, it actually is. Thats what makes it so crazy. It REALLY IS flubless. I've listened to it so many times, scrutinizing every little part.
I'm going to check it tonight. If it ain't perfect I'm gonna come looking for you. :wink:
*sigh*
it sounded exactly like I thought it would. first of all, Trey's PH tone is like nails on a chalkboard on Skys especially. There may not have been any flubs in the train-wreck sense, but there's plenty of spots in the first 10 minutes where Trey plays the wrong notes. I'm not a musician so I can't say what they are, but my ears know what they should sound like. There's no way I would have made it through that whole thing if I didn't really want to.
I understand how you may prefer a certain style to your jams that is specific to your tastes. But on a technical song like Divided Sky, why not go with one from the early to mid-nineties? They sound so much better (IMO).
oh i never said that was my favorite Divided Sky. not sure what that would be. Either way, I'm really going to put that back on, because I distinctly remember there being no inccorect notes. Yeah his tone is garbage, but thats actually one of the songs where it doesn't bother me, for whatever reason. Now, Mike's Song? YUCK. I hate pretty much all PH Mike's because of Trey's tone. Same with Hood. And Ghost, although I don't hate them. They just sound so horrible with that screetchy weirdness.
Gumbo, I'm only going to say this once so please pay attention and read for comprehension.
Nothing, and I mean NOTHING that Phish performed post-hiatus, was, nor will ever be, better than pre-hiatus.
Remember that. Say it to yourself 1000x daily and then another 1000 right before you go to bed. I want you to dream about this. Ingrain it in your memory. Know it, learn it, live it.
That is all.
:phish:
Quote from: Rich on August 15, 2008, 09:31:10 PM
Gumbo, I'm only going to say this once so please pay attention and read for comprehension.
Nothing, and I mean NOTHING that Phish performed post-hiatus, was, nor will ever be, better than pre-hiatus.
Remember that. Say it to yourself 1000x daily and then another 1000 right before you go to bed. I want you to dream about this. Ingrain it in your memory. Know it, learn it, live it.
That is all.
:phish:
umm.... okay?
It doesn't matter anyway... lots of PH Phish sucked ass, but there were a few moments that transcended everything they'd done up to that point, that goes beyond pH or PH classifications. In my mind, these are the 7/22/03 Gumbo, the 6/23/04 Crosseyed and Painless (and to a point, the Slave) and the 8/10/04 ACDC Bag. Especially that last ACDC Bag. Its just so... different. Yet, if you listen to it and take a look at whats happening in the jam, you realize that its the result of everything that they'd been seeking since Fall '96, with Trey stepping out of the limelight and having everyone step up to become equally important on every level. The 6/23/04 Crosseyed is sort of like that, but the jam is still based around a rhythmic melody/solo thing from Trey. This jam, though, is one of the very few jams they'd ever done where EVERY note matters... there isn't a single unnecessary thing played; its so concise and structured. Even though they change through a few different specific grooves, it flows absolutely perfectly. The ending is wicked sick too, with Trey hosing everyone down and Page doing his piano fill thing... before it dies down on the way into Slave. Its like a song in itself. Fish's groove is so PHAT and locked in too. Ugh, this shit rocks.
its funny too, because those jams are the only things in PH that actually make me forget about Trey's garbage tone. But remember, there were moments pH that transcended time, too, rendering such classifications moot.
I find it funny that people have such horrible things to say about PH as an overall era, because I HIGHLY doubt that they would have gotten back together if they didn't think that they could do things greater than what they'd ever done before. But, whatever.
I find it funny, too, that all you n00bs seem to think that PH is ALL that I listen to, based on what everybody else always says. You guys haven't been here nearly as long to understand the dynamic that I have here with people like RJ and Aug, etc :wink: I think I can count the PH shows I listen to regularly on one hand, and not even full sets, at that.
lets see... 7/22/03 Gumbo/Divided Sky, 6/23/04 Set II (up to 46 Days), 8/10/04 ACDC Bag/Birds of a Feather, 6/26/04 Set II, and 11/28/03 Set I. Thats really it... honorable mention goes to 2/20/03 because of the Jibboo and Simple in Set I and the Tweezer and massive Pebbles in Set II. Also, 4/17/04 Set II gets a bit of playing, because I like that You Enjoy Myself/Meatstick and Tweezer Reprise/Meatstick deal. Neither of those, however, get as much playing as the first 5.
regardless, I really think the only way to listen to PH is w/ the SBD's. I've got some auds... but yuck. Sorry. Nope. Trey's tone is hideous enough... and the SBD's really bring through Page and Mike. You'd never get the clarity of his slapping at the very beginning of the 8/10/04 ACDC Bag jam, which is so key and is definitely the coolest shit he's ever played imo, or the ever-so-subtle yet massively important organ work Page does at the end of the 7/22/03 Gumbo. The 6/23/04 Crosseyed jam probably wouldn't have the same impact either, because Mike's bass playing is so important to this jam because he fills in the spaces PERFECTLY, and he's always the one who suffers in aud tapes, imo.
I'd also mention the 6/26/04 Ghost, because that jam starts off like a normal PH jam, but they end up in a sweet hose climax that turns into a VERY pH jam. It doesn't change keys or anything, but it rages pretty fucking sweetly.
Regarldess of what anyone says, the 6/23/04 Crosseyed and the 8/10/04 Bag are fucking sick fucking jams. If you deny that, you're just climbing on the PH-hating bandwagon, and you probably haven't actually listened to it.
So there. You just got a GIANT PH post. Eat that. :beers:
That definitely was quite a bit of post-hiatus talk.
Don't feel like you have to defend your Phishy musical selections.
We're all here because we love Phish, that's all that matters. The rest is just personal taste and opinion.
Once you understand that...you will receive...total consciousness.
Quote from: blatboom on August 14, 2008, 09:56:38 AM
Have you listened to the Tinley Antelope again? (with your ears open this time?? :wink: :wink:)
Listened up through Sparks, halfway into Walk Away, on my way to my g/f's house. Meh, at least for that part of Antelope. I mean, if thats what you like, then of course its perfect. I just prefer my Grateful Dead jamming from the Dead themselves :wink: haha. Thats exactly the kind of jamming I don't like from them. From time to time it works for me... but no. The thing I liked about Phish so much was that they grooved in a time signature and would do TONAL, harmonically correct jamming, like Ghost or something.
so yeah, we'll see what the rest of the Antelope has to offer :-D
Did I mention that Post Hiatus sucks?
1994 kills pretty much all of post hiatus.
I can put the examples of post hiatus worthy of comparison to 1994 on no more than 10 cds. That includes IT.
The fact that you can't hang with 1994; one of the great years in Phish history; diminishes any opinion that you may offer in my book.
Quote from: ghost_2000 on August 15, 2008, 10:55:58 PM
That definitely was quite a bit of post-hiatus talk.
Don't feel like you have to defend your Phishy musical selections.
We're all here because we love Phish, that's all that matters. The rest is just personal taste and opinion.
Once you understand that...you will receive...total consciousness.
hehe. I know. I just like torturing the herd every now and then :evil: haha
Quote from: rowjimmy on August 15, 2008, 10:59:44 PM
Did I mention that Post Hiatus sucks?
1994 kills pretty much all of post hiatus.
I can put the examples of post hiatus worthy of comparison to 1994 on no more than 10 cds. That includes IT.
The fact that you can't hang with 1994; one of the great years in Phish history; diminishes any opinion that you may offer in my book.
they're completely different dood. yeah sure if I'm looking for perfect takes on Divided Sky, Bowie, YEM, Reba, etc then thats where I'd look. I just prefer '95 over '94 in terms of the pre-Type II era. Its all got great playing. I'm never knocking '94. Just not my cup of tea. or milk.
I think my general disposition for 1998 and 1999 has a lot to do with my views on some PH stuff. If I want to listen to a totally fucking nuts Bowie, though, '94 is where I'd go.
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on August 15, 2008, 10:49:50 PM
Quote from: Rich on August 15, 2008, 09:31:10 PM
Gumbo, I'm only going to say this once so please pay attention and read for comprehension.
Nothing, and I mean NOTHING that Phish performed post-hiatus, was, nor will ever be, better than pre-hiatus.
Remember that. Say it to yourself 1000x daily and then another 1000 right before you go to bed. I want you to dream about this. Ingrain it in your memory. Know it, learn it, live it.
That is all.
:phish:
A bunch of nonsense.
Save it for the jury.
Back to the topic at hand. 06/18/1994. First time I heard this show I was eager to listen to it over and over. I didn't get the tape of this show until almost a year after it happened. Mainly because I had discovered something called the internet and a place called rec.music.phish. I no longer felt the need to trade out of the back of Relix because this new internet thing meant getting shows faster.
Before 6/18/94 I had seen the band just a month prior in So. California on three nights. Those shows were the heat and I wanted to re-capture that feeling. This show delivered. I think I traded for this show and the OJ show and a couple of others. 6/17 and 6/18 were immediate favorites. The Bowie is an obvious stand out but I love the "spam" YEM the most. Really too many favorites to list. This show captures Phish before the explosion. But we knew it was going to happen anyhow.
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on August 15, 2008, 10:57:55 PM
Quote from: blatboom on August 14, 2008, 09:56:38 AM
Have you listened to the Tinley Antelope again? (with your ears open this time?? :wink: :wink:)
Listened up through Sparks, halfway into Walk Away, on my way to my g/f's house. Meh, at least for that part of Antelope. I mean, if thats what you like, then of course its perfect. I just prefer my Grateful Dead jamming from the Dead themselves :wink: haha. Thats exactly the kind of jamming I don't like from them. From time to time it works for me... but no. The thing I liked about Phish so much was that they grooved in a time signature and would do TONAL, harmonically correct jamming, like Ghost or something.
so yeah, we'll see what the rest of the Antelope has to offer :-D
pffff. If you can't get with the first 10 minutes of that Antelope don't bother :wink:
And I hope you weren't directing those n00b comments at me. Because I have nothing but respect for your musical opinions regarding Phish, no matter how whacked I think they may be.
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on August 15, 2008, 11:03:23 PM
I just prefer '95 over '94 in terms of the pre-Type II era. Its all got great playing. I'm never knocking '94.
I have two issues with what you've written here. First, You are a bit inconsistent:
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on August 10, 2008, 01:14:56 PMI mean granted, i don't really like '94 Phish much anyways,
Second: You don't know what Type II Jamming is.
From http://www.phish.net/faq/jamming.html:
QuoteType I and Type II: John Flynn raised (date?) the distinction between two "types" of jamming. Type I jamming involves variations on a song's written notes and tempo; Type II jamming involves additional variations on structures and keys. Or, as he put it:
I think Phish jamming falls into two types of jamming:
1) Jamming that is based around a fixed chord progression
2) Jamming that improvises chord progressions, rhythms,
and the whole structure of the music.
Pornofunk / Type III: __ suggested (date) adding to the typology Type III jamming to categorize the funkified sound (a.k.a "porno-funk") that evolved throughout 1997, and particularly on the summer and fall US tours, especially in Also Sprach, Cities, Ghost, Gumbo, and Wolfman's Brother. Some feel that this is not a "type" of jamming, but something closer to a genre, and that Types I and II jamming could occur within various contexts, of which Phish adopts many (rock, jazz, funk, reggae, folk, bluegrass, et al.)
School is now in session. :-D
in all honesty, this is probably the show I would choose to give to someone who had never listened to Phish. The first set, especially, shows what they can do with explosive playing of standard Type I songs. Plus they play Mango Song.
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on August 15, 2008, 11:19:27 PM
in all honesty, this is probably the show I would choose to give to someone who had never listened to Phish. The first set, especially, shows what they can do with explosive playing of standard Type I songs. Plus they play Mango Song.
OK. If you'll say that now... why weren't you honest with us before?
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on August 10, 2008, 01:14:56 PM
haha... lol thats funny.
anyway, the 6/18/94 PHISH show always had this mystique within the group of kids who listened to Phish at my high school; when I was first finally really actually starting to really start actually listening to Phish, this was the show they always talked about as being like, THE phish show.
honestly, yeah its good, but nothing really gets me that much from it. I mean granted, i don't really like '94 Phish much anyways, but even with its excellent playing, its definitely not a desert island show, for me.
i can only imagine what it must have been like for Trey, though, during that Divided Sky......
Get yer story straight, bub!
QuoteQuote from: blatboom on August 14, 2008, 06:56:38 am
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on August 14, 2008, 06:48:34 am
Quote from: blatboom on August 12, 2008, 08:16:40 pm
since this thread is already in Type II territory...
I'd like to know: a) if in fact the 7/22/03 D.Sky is indeed flawless, and b) what the best PH D. Sky is. (the only one I think I saw was 3/1/03 and it hurts my ears)
Yes, it actually is. Thats what makes it so crazy. It REALLY IS flubless. I've listened to it so many times, scrutinizing every little part.
I'm going to check it tonight. If it ain't perfect I'm gonna come looking for you.
*sigh*
it sounded exactly like I thought it would. first of all, Trey's PH tone is like nails on a chalkboard on Skys especially. There may not have been any flubs in the train-wreck sense, but there's plenty of spots in the first 10 minutes where Trey plays the wrong notes. I'm not a musician so I can't say what they are, but my ears know what they should sound like. There's no way I would have made it through that whole thing if I didn't really want to.
I understand how you may prefer a certain style to your jams that is specific to your tastes. But on a technical song like Divided Sky, why not go with one from the early to mid-nineties? They sound so much better (IMO).
Well i don't know if i would call any live phish jams flawless or not, but i can tell you that Trey intends to hit some of those notes in an off pitch. Trey plays in a few different scales some of which include half steps between the whole notes. for example: chromatic scale
Quote from: rowjimmy on August 15, 2008, 11:13:49 PM
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on August 15, 2008, 11:03:23 PM
I just prefer '95 over '94 in terms of the pre-Type II era. Its all got great playing. I'm never knocking '94.
I have two issues with what you've written here. First, You are a bit inconsistent:
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on August 10, 2008, 01:14:56 PMI mean granted, i don't really like '94 Phish much anyways,
Second: You don't know what Type II Jamming is.
From http://www.phish.net/faq/jamming.html:
QuoteType I and Type II: John Flynn raised (date?) the distinction between two "types" of jamming. Type I jamming involves variations on a song's written notes and tempo; Type II jamming involves additional variations on structures and keys. Or, as he put it:
I think Phish jamming falls into two types of jamming:
1) Jamming that is based around a fixed chord progression
2) Jamming that improvises chord progressions, rhythms,
and the whole structure of the music.
Pornofunk / Type III: __ suggested (date) adding to the typology Type III jamming to categorize the funkified sound (a.k.a "porno-funk") that evolved throughout 1997, and particularly on the summer and fall US tours, especially in Also Sprach, Cities, Ghost, Gumbo, and Wolfman's Brother. Some feel that this is not a "type" of jamming, but something closer to a genre, and that Types I and II jamming could occur within various contexts, of which Phish adopts many (rock, jazz, funk, reggae, folk, bluegrass, et al.)
I never knocked '94. Its great. Thats just not the Phish that I like so much in that if given a choice, I'd spin 12/11/99 Set II before I'd pick something from '94 to listen to.
And I know what Type II jamming is...... I basically was referring to them never really getting GOOD at it, imo, until around '97. Before then, the only Type II jamming songs they had were Tweezer and..... Antelope and Bowie, I guess you could possibly consider Type II just because they'd get so weird with it. Kinda weird now that I think about it: Bowie and Antelope turned INTO Type I jams in the late 90's, losing the schizoid, Grateful Dead quality of going anywhere, anytime aspect, like the Tinley Park Antelope.
In terms of identifying the distinction between the two, I'd consider Slave and Hood to be the prime examples of Type I jamming, with Tweezer, Ghost, and Piper being prime Type II examples, because they don't have a chord progression to follow when they jam.
Quote from: blatboom on August 15, 2008, 11:10:37 PM
And I hope you weren't directing those n00b comments at me. Because I have nothing but respect for your musical opinions regarding Phish, no matter how whacked I think they may be.
nope, definitely NOT at you
this thread gets better (or is it worse?) everyday.
Quote from: rowjimmy on August 15, 2008, 11:21:43 PM
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on August 15, 2008, 11:19:27 PM
in all honesty, this is probably the show I would choose to give to someone who had never listened to Phish. The first set, especially, shows what they can do with explosive playing of standard Type I songs. Plus they play Mango Song.
OK. If you'll say that now... why weren't you honest with us before?
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on August 10, 2008, 01:14:56 PM
haha... lol thats funny.
anyway, the 6/18/94 PHISH show always had this mystique within the group of kids who listened to Phish at my high school; when I was first finally really actually starting to really start actually listening to Phish, this was the show they always talked about as being like, THE phish show.
honestly, yeah its good, but nothing really gets me that much from it. I mean granted, i don't really like '94 Phish much anyways, but even with its excellent playing, its definitely not a desert island show, for me.
i can only imagine what it must have been like for Trey, though, during that Divided Sky......
Get yer story straight, bub!
Lol... I don't know how to explain this any easier. Okay. 1994: not my personal choice. I don't really care for their Type II jamming. However, I do not deny that the era was a great era, full of great inventive playing. Its great for what it is. I just don't really like it. If I'm going to listen to '94, its because I want to listen to their song playing and Type I jamming: Hood, Slave, YEM.
Is objectively identifying something as being good but not personally liking it really that strange?
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on August 15, 2008, 11:29:18 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on August 15, 2008, 11:13:49 PM
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on August 15, 2008, 11:03:23 PM
I just prefer '95 over '94 in terms of the pre-Type II era. Its all got great playing. I'm never knocking '94.
I have two issues with what you've written here. First, You are a bit inconsistent:
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on August 10, 2008, 01:14:56 PMI mean granted, i don't really like '94 Phish much anyways,
Second: You don't know what Type II Jamming is.
From http://www.phish.net/faq/jamming.html:
QuoteType I and Type II: John Flynn raised (date?) the distinction between two "types" of jamming. Type I jamming involves variations on a song's written notes and tempo; Type II jamming involves additional variations on structures and keys. Or, as he put it:
I think Phish jamming falls into two types of jamming:
1) Jamming that is based around a fixed chord progression
2) Jamming that improvises chord progressions, rhythms,
and the whole structure of the music.
Pornofunk / Type III: __ suggested (date) adding to the typology Type III jamming to categorize the funkified sound (a.k.a "porno-funk") that evolved throughout 1997, and particularly on the summer and fall US tours, especially in Also Sprach, Cities, Ghost, Gumbo, and Wolfman's Brother. Some feel that this is not a "type" of jamming, but something closer to a genre, and that Types I and II jamming could occur within various contexts, of which Phish adopts many (rock, jazz, funk, reggae, folk, bluegrass, et al.)
I never knocked '94. Its great. Thats just not the Phish that I like so much in that if given a choice, I'd spin 12/11/99 Set II before I'd pick something from '94 to listen to.
And I know what Type II jamming is...... I basically was referring to them never really getting GOOD at it, imo, until around '97. Before then, the only Type II jamming songs they had were Tweezer and..... Antelope and Bowie, I guess you could possibly consider Type II just because they'd get so weird with it. Kinda weird now that I think about it: Bowie and Antelope turned INTO Type I jams in the late 90's, losing the schizoid, Grateful Dead quality of going anywhere, anytime aspect, like the Tinley Park Antelope.
In terms of identifying the distinction between the two, I'd consider Slave and Hood to be the prime examples of Type I jamming, with Tweezer, Ghost, and Piper being prime Type II examples, because they don't have a chord progression to follow when they jam.
Quote from: blatboom on August 15, 2008, 11:10:37 PM
And I hope you weren't directing those n00b comments at me. Because I have nothing but respect for your musical opinions regarding Phish, no matter how whacked I think they may be.
nope, definitely NOT at you
not good at type 2 in 94/95? Even if you just limit it to the tunes you mentioned - Tweezer, Antelope, and Bowie ( you missed Mikes, YEM, and an epic Stash) there are too many great type 2 jams in 94/95 to list. The later years were funkier and spacier, and if you like that better that's fine. But to say that they weren't good at type 2 jamming in 94/5 is a bit of a stretch. and inaccurate.
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Quote from: Gumbo72203 on August 15, 2008, 11:19:27 PM
in all honesty, this is probably the show I would choose to give to someone who had never listened to Phish. The first set, especially, shows what they can do with explosive playing of standard Type I songs. Plus they play Mango Song.
OK. If you'll say that now... why weren't you honest with us before?
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on August 10, 2008, 01:14:56 PM
haha... lol thats funny.
anyway, the 6/18/94 PHISH show always had this mystique within the group of kids who listened to Phish at my high school; when I was first finally really actually starting to really start actually listening to Phish, this was the show they always talked about as being like, THE phish show.
honestly, yeah its good, but nothing really gets me that much from it. I mean granted, i don't really like '94 Phish much anyways, but even with its excellent playing, its definitely not a desert island show, for me.
i can only imagine what it must have been like for Trey, though, during that Divided Sky......
Get yer story straight, bub!
Lol... I don't know how to explain this any easier. Okay. 1994: not my personal choice. I don't really care for their Type II jamming. However, I do not deny that the era was a great era, full of great inventive playing. Its great for what it is. I just don't really like it. If I'm going to listen to '94, its because I want to listen to their song playing and Type I jamming: Hood, Slave, YEM.
Is objectively identifying something as being good but not personally liking it really that strange?
dude, if you read my post, I said I understand how you may prefer one style of jamming over another.
But that 7/22/03 Divided Sky is empirically awful compared to any 94 version. That's all I'm saying.
Gumbo... stop now while you still have a chance to climb out.
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Quote from: slslbs on August 15, 2008, 11:37:57 PM
not good at type 2 in 94/95? Even if you just limit it to the tunes you mentioned - Tweezer, Antelope, and Bowie ( you missed Mikes, YEM, and an epic Stash) there are too many great type 2 jams in 94/95 to list. The later years were funkier and spacier, and if you like that better that's fine. But to say that they weren't good at type 2 jamming in 94/5 is a bit of a stretch. and inaccurate.
Ehh... yeah okay I can see what you mean. I just had always attributed Type II jamming to be playing tonally and harmonically consistent... to be playing in key, and not going all over the place all the time like 72/73 Dead. So yeah, you're right, then... in that era those things COULD all become Type II vehicles.
Mikes and YEM are definitely Type I, though. The YEM jam is just vamping over whatever that chord progression is, and the Mike's jam is that F#minor groove.
Quote from: blatboom on August 15, 2008, 11:42:07 PM
dude, if you read my post, I said I understand how you may prefer one style of jamming over another.
But that 7/22/03 Divided Sky is empirically awful compared to any 94 version. That's all I'm saying.
yeah word. I guess somehow you got confused thinking that I thought that the 7/22/03 Divided Sky was the best version. Definitely not. I think its good...and flubless for PH, but best ever? Definitely not.
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Quote from: slslbs on August 15, 2008, 11:37:57 PM
not good at type 2 in 94/95? Even if you just limit it to the tunes you mentioned - Tweezer, Antelope, and Bowie ( you missed Mikes, YEM, and an epic Stash) there are too many great type 2 jams in 94/95 to list. The later years were funkier and spacier, and if you like that better that's fine. But to say that they weren't good at type 2 jamming in 94/5 is a bit of a stretch. and inaccurate.
Ehh... yeah okay I can see what you mean. I just had always attributed Type II jamming to be playing tonally and harmonically consistent... to be playing in key, and not going all over the place all the time like 72/73 Dead. So yeah, you're right, then... in that era those things COULD all become Type II vehicles.
Mikes and YEM are definitely Type I, though. The YEM jam is just vamping over whatever that chord progression is, and the Mike's jam is that F#minor groove.
Acknowledgment of error! We are making progress. 94 & 95 defined Type II Jamming. Type II Jamming became relatively scarce by 97/98 when Phish decided to play Funk.
And this thread goes on...and this thread goes on...and this thread goes on...
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Quote from: Gumbo72203 on August 15, 2008, 11:48:25 PM
Mikes and YEM are definitely Type I, though. The YEM jam is just vamping over whatever that chord progression is, and the Mike's jam is that F#minor groove.
you're right, for the most part. but they did throw some type 2s in these on occasion. YEM 12/09/95, Mikes 12/31/95.
Listening to 6/26/95 now- type 2 jamming in DWD and Free.
anyway, that's trivia.
I think we agree on the main point.
Quote from: slslbs on August 16, 2008, 10:40:29 AM
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on August 15, 2008, 11:48:25 PM
Mikes and YEM are definitely Type I, though. The YEM jam is just vamping over whatever that chord progression is, and the Mike's jam is that F#minor groove.
you're right, for the most part. but they did throw some type 2s in these on occasion. YEM 12/09/95, Mikes 12/31/95.
Listening to 6/26/95 now- type 2 jamming in DWD and Free.
anyway, that's trivia.
I think we agree on the main point.
yeah, like I said... pre-96, anything could turn into a Type II vehicle basically.
Hmm... I'm thinking that we should amend the definition of Type II jamming to include Type II A and Type II B. Type II A would be the wacked out pre-96 Dead-esque jamming like the Tinley Park Antelope, pre-Sparks. Type II B would be defined by Ghost or Tweezer, essentially: jamming modally, without any preconceived chord progression or anything, but doing it in a grooving, harmonically consistent way. If that makes sense.
Anyway, listened to some earlier Phish today at work. I spun the 7/9/94 Set II. Meh... If thats your thing, then great. Split didn't do much for me, the Fluffhead was really good, and I was REALLY excited about the Tweezer, because at the start of the jam, it was funking along pretty good and seemed like they were going to keep it in straight Type II B territory. I really liked it at first... and then it started to get weird in the way that early Type II jamming did, which I don't like so much. Overall, definitely a great set. I just don't particularly care for this type of jamming.