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Title: Getting a total newbie into Phish
Post by: Red Sea Pedestrian on June 24, 2007, 04:39:03 AM
So a friend of mine heard the first half a Junta, and some of LP 01 in my car, and got real excited about Phish, so I wanted to make him a compiliation CD of tracks from shows that I have, the problem is that it's so hard to pick favourite jams that a guy that has never really heard Phish before can get into. So here's a list of shows that I've been thinking of taking tracks from.

10-25-88 (I really liked the Whipping Post here, good cover and the sound quality is great for this)
4-20-94
5-2-92
13-8-93 (I think that the jams here may scare him off, but I def. would take the acoustic Ginseng)
5-7-94
22-6-94
29-10-94
6-8-95
12-14-95 (Tweezer > Timber> Tweezer comes to mind)
1-7-97
23-7-97 (russian YEM jam to the face)
most of November 97 (up until 28-11-97 excluding 16 & 19, real hard to pick a fav here)
12-11-97 (great Matrix source for this, but I'm not crazy about the show so I don't know what to pick, DWD?)

Keep in mind this guy does not know Phish at all almost, so I don't want to take anything too "heady"...
Title: Re: Getting a total newbie into Phish
Post by: sophist on June 24, 2007, 07:41:47 AM
Before I can give on opinion on the jams you listed, can we have a little more background on your friend?  Who is his favorite band currently?  His favorite style of music?  Could he sit through and enjoy longer jams? 

Title: Re: Getting a total newbie into Phish
Post by: phil on June 24, 2007, 04:52:15 PM
the first phish tracks i ever listened to are as follows

12-31-95 reba
6-17-94 mike's groove
12-14-95 halley's > NICU
11-17-97 ghost
12-31-99 DWD

those got me hooked pretty good
Title: Re: Getting a total newbie into Phish
Post by: rowjimmy on June 24, 2007, 04:58:59 PM
You know, I seem to recall listening to 1993-12-31 over and over and over and over....

Title: Re: Getting a total newbie into Phish
Post by: Hicks on June 24, 2007, 06:18:15 PM
4-16-92 is a confirmed newbie classic, although RJ is right 12-31-93 is another good choice as is 12-30-93 IMO.
Title: Re: Getting a total newbie into Phish
Post by: cactusfan on June 24, 2007, 08:48:51 PM
when i make live phish mixes for newbies, everything depends on who the person is.
do they listen to auds on a regular basis?
do they already like music with long jams?
are they only into rock?
or are they fools for funk?
etc.

most people aren't used to audience tapes, so i tend to stick with tracks from official releases so as not to alarm them. beyond that, it really depends on what kind of music they like. one guy i knew really liked '70s prog rock stuff and didn't like funky grooves at all, so i made him a mix with divided sky, the curtain, and so on. another friend loves dancing to live funky music, so her mix had a moma dance, a funky tweezer, the dayton tube, etc.
Title: Re: Getting a total newbie into Phish
Post by: rickjamesstjames on June 24, 2007, 10:33:39 PM
Please dont make mix tapes of shows.

Its just wrong,wrong wrong!!

If they cant deal with a complete show then give 'em Rift.
Title: Re: Getting a total newbie into Phish
Post by: sophist on June 24, 2007, 10:57:21 PM
Quote from: rickjamesstjames on June 24, 2007, 10:33:39 PM
Please dont make mix tapes of shows.

Its just wrong,wrong wrong!!

If they cant deal with a complete show then give 'em Rift.
sweet lecture.  I suppose he should dose the fucker too?  :roll:
Title: Re: Getting a total newbie into Phish
Post by: antelope19 on June 25, 2007, 09:46:37 AM
Quote from: phan003 on June 24, 2007, 10:57:21 PM
sweet lecture.  I suppose he should dose the fucker too?  :roll:

:-D  :lol:

Hmmm, when I was trying to get my younger brother into it, I knew he really liked the album "ghost", so I went and made him a mix tape of all the songs on that album, but played live.  He really dug it, and then I opened his eyes to entire shows.  It was sort of a baby step into the live realm of phish, but I found that it really worked for him.  It ended up being a fun little project as I had  to track down a few tapes.  Fikus had only been played a handful of times!   :-D
Title: Re: Getting a total newbie into Phish
Post by: khalpin on June 25, 2007, 10:05:57 AM
Quote from: rowjimmy on June 24, 2007, 04:58:59 PM
You know, I seem to recall listening to 1993-12-31 over and over and over and over....



That show was the first thing I thought of, too.  Awesome tracklist, performance and sound quality.  Perfect for a newb.
Title: Re: Getting a total newbie into Phish
Post by: Wolfmansbrother on June 25, 2007, 11:46:52 AM
Quote from: khalpin on June 25, 2007, 10:05:57 AM
That show was the first thing I thought of, too.  Awesome tracklist, performance and sound quality.  Perfect for a newb.

yeah i always thought of this show as a greatest hits concert if you will

but for me A Live One was my very first introduction to Phish and YEM was the deciding factor for me
after i listened to that about 50 times in a row i WAS hooked, however, the Tweezer from ALO sucks so dont let your friend listen to it
Title: Re: Getting a total newbie into Phish
Post by: sophist on June 25, 2007, 12:25:51 PM
Quote from: Wolfmansbrother on June 25, 2007, 11:46:52 AM
yeah i always thought of this show as a greatest hits concert if you will

but for me A Live One was my very first introduction to Phish and YEM was the deciding factor for me
after i listened to that about 50 times in a row i WAS hooked, however, the Tweezer from ALO sucks so dont let your friend listen to it

yep.  ALO is a great choice too. 

rickjamesstjames, I was just messing with you (sort of).  I don't see the big deal if it is labeled correctly.  I also have to ask your opinion of ALO, since you seem to be against "mix" tapes. 
Title: Re: Getting a total newbie into Phish
Post by: Red Sea Pedestrian on June 25, 2007, 04:32:33 PM
Quote from: phan003 on June 24, 2007, 07:41:47 AM
Before I can give on opinion on the jams you listed, can we have a little more background on your friend?  Who is his favorite band currently?  His favorite style of music?  Could he sit through and enjoy longer jams? 



Well, he plays both bass and electrical guitar, his taste in music is kind of all over the place, from bach to death metal, and his guilty pleasure is Avril Lavigne, so it's hard to real pick one style of jam for him to listen to. He isn't used to aud's, but some aud's are pretty listenable to newbiews, and I'e got a few sbd's and matrix's. I'm not big on official releases, al I have is LP #1 and 13-08-93 from LP.com.

I'm not sure about putting any real lengthy jams on the tape, he can sit down and listen to extended pieces of music, but even then the 30+ minute jams are pretty daunting to any newbie. I'd stick to jams that are no longer then 20 mins.
Title: Re: Getting a total newbie into Phish
Post by: August on June 25, 2007, 04:37:10 PM
Give him Junta.
Seriously.
a
Title: Re: Getting a total newbie into Phish
Post by: sophist on June 25, 2007, 06:03:37 PM
Quote from: August on June 25, 2007, 04:37:10 PM
Give him Junta.
Seriously.
a
exactly. 
Title: Re: Getting a total newbie into Phish
Post by: jasonsobel on June 25, 2007, 06:24:49 PM
I would give him a copy of the second day of the Clifford Ball.
Title: Re: Getting a total newbie into Phish
Post by: Wolfmansbrother on June 25, 2007, 06:34:45 PM
better yet
Went day 2 set 2  :phish:
Title: Re: Getting a total newbie into Phish
Post by: rowjimmy on June 25, 2007, 06:39:52 PM
How about a compilation of performances of Jennifer Dances?
Title: Re: Getting a total newbie into Phish
Post by: Frawg on June 25, 2007, 06:44:28 PM
I know it's generic but 12/31/95 is perfect for a newbie.

The last person I met like your friend, a friend of mine's girlfriend, received from me a copy of the IT festival.
Title: Re: Getting a total newbie into Phish
Post by: Hicks on June 25, 2007, 06:44:46 PM
Wait, the Bangor Tweezer sucks? 

Damn, who knew?
Title: Re: Getting a total newbie into Phish
Post by: rowjimmy on June 25, 2007, 06:50:58 PM
12/31/95 is not generic.
12/31/95 is the stuff that dreams are made of.


Best


Show


Ever


From


Phish


At


Least
Title: Re: Getting a total newbie into Phish
Post by: Frawg on June 25, 2007, 06:53:50 PM
Yeah it is.  I just meant because it's so mass distributed.

That's a good thing, though.  An excellent representation of Phish for the general public to get into.
Title: Re: Getting a total newbie into Phish
Post by: Wolfmansbrother on June 25, 2007, 06:57:58 PM
i attempted to slowly get my girlfriend interested in phish with studio versions of their slower songs (waste, billy breathes, train song, My Friend, My Friend [not necessarily slow], weigh, etc.) she ended up liking a few "phishy" songs (golgi, contact) but thats where her musical journey ended...
Title: Re: Getting a total newbie into Phish
Post by: Red Sea Pedestrian on June 25, 2007, 07:36:37 PM
Forgot to mention he got Junta from a different friend of mine, I'm trying to get him into the live stuff...

I really need to get 12-31-95. The source I have ummmm sucks.
Title: Re: Getting a total newbie into Phish
Post by: Frawg on June 25, 2007, 07:38:11 PM
Quote from: Wolfmansbrother on June 25, 2007, 06:57:58 PM
i attempted to slowly get my girlfriend interested in phish with studio versions of their slower songs (waste, billy breathes, train song, My Friend, My Friend [not necessarily slow], weigh, etc.) she ended up liking a few "phishy" songs (golgi, contact) but thats where her musical journey ended...

Me too. And it worked for a while.  Then we made big plans to go to Coventry.  We went.

Now she hates Phish.
Title: Re: Getting a total newbie into Phish
Post by: sophist on June 25, 2007, 07:53:18 PM
Quote from: Hicks on June 25, 2007, 06:44:46 PM
Wait, the Bangor Tweezer sucks? 

Damn, who knew?

So my comment is NSFW, so you have to change the font color to read it. 
if by sucks, you mean deep throats like a seasoned veteran and tickles the sack while deep throating, then yes it does suck.   :wink:
Title: Re: Getting a total newbie into Phish
Post by: kellerb on June 26, 2007, 12:08:06 AM
first 4 shows I downloaded were:

12/31/95
12/7/97
11/15/95
8/9/98

That did the trick for me.  The old 8/9/98 mp3 set on furthur even came missing the YEM, which I was pissed off about for about 3 years until I found the full version and realized that that particular YEM sucked ass.
Title: Re: Getting a total newbie into Phish
Post by: mopper_smurf on June 26, 2007, 02:22:56 AM
I tricked a friend with the DSOTM show.
And bought him Junta for his birthday shortly afterwards.
Worked like a charm.
Title: Re: Getting a total newbie into Phish
Post by: Wolfmansbrother on June 26, 2007, 12:31:34 PM
Quote from: phan003 on June 25, 2007, 07:53:18 PM
So my comment is NSFW, so you have to change the font color to read it. 
if by sucks, you mean deep throats like a seasoned veteran and tickles the sack while deep throating, then yes it does suck.   :wink:

hahaha how charming
Title: Re: Getting a total newbie into Phish
Post by: kellerb on June 26, 2007, 05:18:43 PM
Quote from: Red Sea PedestrianWell, he plays both bass and electrical guitar, his taste in music is kind of all over the place, from bach to death metal, and his guilty pleasure is Avril Lavigne, so it's hard to real pick one style of jam for him to listen to.

Quote from: August on June 25, 2007, 04:37:10 PM
Give him Junta.
Seriously.
a

Actually, send Avril Lavigne a copy of Junta.
Seriously.
Title: Re: Getting a total newbie into Phish
Post by: Gumbo72203 on June 26, 2007, 06:45:09 PM
Junta was the first thing I ever got of Phish after going up to SPAC in '04 and hearing them from outside the fences.  Granted I'd heard the tapes of the 6/19 Set II on cruises before I bought Junta, but the CD wasn't mine and i only heard it in my friend's car. 

Honestly...  I think Junta might be the best thing to give someone to introduce them to Phish.  That, or Billy Breathes.  Depends on which Phish you want to expose them to first. 

shows?  I think 6/18/94, 11/2/98, 12/30/93 would be the best to give someone to show them whats up.
Title: Re: Getting a total newbie into Phish
Post by: rowjimmy on June 26, 2007, 07:37:00 PM
Quote from: kellerb on June 26, 2007, 05:18:43 PM
Actually, send Avril Lavigne a copy of Junta.
Seriously.
be sure to soak the liner notes in acid...
Title: Re: Getting a total newbie into Phish
Post by: redrum on June 26, 2007, 07:40:30 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on June 26, 2007, 07:37:00 PM
be sure to soak the liner notes in acid...

she can read?
Title: Re: Getting a total newbie into Phish
Post by: VA $l!m on June 26, 2007, 07:45:10 PM
junta, Pic o necture, & 7-21-91.

worked for me.
Title: Re: Getting a total newbie into Phish
Post by: rowjimmy on June 26, 2007, 07:56:52 PM
Quote from: reddrum on June 26, 2007, 07:40:30 PM
she can read?
She might choose to look at the Pollack artwork.