Teh Phishes
6/07/2011 Comcast Center
Mansfield, MA
SET I: Llama, The Moma Dance, Possum, Cities, Instant Karma, David Bowie, Rhymes*, Divided Sky, Stealing Time From The Faulty Plan
SET II: Back On The Train, Rock & Roll > The Mango Song, Bug, Pebbles and Marbles, Halley's Comet > Meatstick, Run Like An Antelope#
E: Suzy Greenberg#
*First Time Played (Al Green cover sung by Mike)
#Meatstick teases
Interested in the Al Green tune (I love every Mike cover on his tour and expect this to be similar) and the whole second set (sans BOTT/Bug).
Oh, and Possum.
highlights?
1 show gap for antelope huh? how did p & m sound thru the sharts?
Looks like a fun show!
Agreed! Can't wait to hear the second set!
looks like this has the upside of being a slightly above avg 3.0 show. Enough for me to be curious about, but possum and meatstick make me cringe now.
Quote from: Play_It_Leo on June 07, 2011, 11:25:30 PM
looks like this has the upside of being a slightly above avg 3.0 show. Enough for me to be curious about, but possum and meatstick make me cringe now.
The return of the 6 min Halley's is pretty disappointing as well
CHOO CHOO!
The boyz are back!
Mansfiel'd.
Quote from: runawayjimbo on June 07, 2011, 11:29:46 PM
Quote from: Play_It_Leo on June 07, 2011, 11:25:30 PM
looks like this has the upside of being a slightly above avg 3.0 show. Enough for me to be curious about, but possum and meatstick make me cringe now.
The return of the 6 min Halley's is pretty disappointing as well
but expected
Quote from: mehead on June 07, 2011, 11:32:40 PM
Quote from: runawayjimbo on June 07, 2011, 11:29:46 PM
Quote from: Play_It_Leo on June 07, 2011, 11:25:30 PM
looks like this has the upside of being a slightly above avg 3.0 show. Enough for me to be curious about, but possum and meatstick make me cringe now.
The return of the 6 min Halley's is pretty disappointing as well
but expected
I remember everyone being pretty pissed at 12/1/95 about the short Halley's.
and to have it > into Meatstick....ugh
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on June 07, 2011, 11:33:47 PM
Quote from: mehead on June 07, 2011, 11:32:40 PM
Quote from: runawayjimbo on June 07, 2011, 11:29:46 PM
Quote from: Play_It_Leo on June 07, 2011, 11:25:30 PM
looks like this has the upside of being a slightly above avg 3.0 show. Enough for me to be curious about, but possum and meatstick make me cringe now.
The return of the 6 min Halley's is pretty disappointing as well
but expected
I remember everyone being pretty pissed at 12/1/95 about the short Halley's.
Yeah, this is
exactly like 12-01-1995
Quote from: runawayjimbo on June 07, 2011, 11:41:13 PM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on June 07, 2011, 11:33:47 PM
Quote from: mehead on June 07, 2011, 11:32:40 PM
Quote from: runawayjimbo on June 07, 2011, 11:29:46 PM
Quote from: Play_It_Leo on June 07, 2011, 11:25:30 PM
looks like this has the upside of being a slightly above avg 3.0 show. Enough for me to be curious about, but possum and meatstick make me cringe now.
The return of the 6 min Halley's is pretty disappointing as well
but expected
I remember everyone being pretty pissed at 12/1/95 about the short Halley's.
Yeah, this is exactly like 12-01-1995
Halley's is a fun song with or without a jam. A show shouldn't hinge on whether or not they decided to extend a song that was RARELY a jam song before 1997 (I would say NEVER, but there is the monster from 12/14/95 which bucks the trend).
I understand it, I too like long Halley's. But a shortened one isn't really a point of contention for me.
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on June 07, 2011, 11:42:46 PM
Quote from: runawayjimbo on June 07, 2011, 11:41:13 PM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on June 07, 2011, 11:33:47 PM
Quote from: mehead on June 07, 2011, 11:32:40 PM
Quote from: runawayjimbo on June 07, 2011, 11:29:46 PM
Quote from: Play_It_Leo on June 07, 2011, 11:25:30 PM
looks like this has the upside of being a slightly above avg 3.0 show. Enough for me to be curious about, but possum and meatstick make me cringe now.
The return of the 6 min Halley's is pretty disappointing as well
but expected
I remember everyone being pretty pissed at 12/1/95 about the short Halley's.
Yeah, this is exactly like 12-01-1995
Halley's is a fun song with or without a jam. A show shouldn't hinge on whether or not they decided to extend a song that was RARELY a jam song before 1997 (I would say NEVER, but there is the monster from 12/14/95 which bucks the trend).
I understand it, I too like long Halley's. But a shortened one isn't really a point of contention for me.
Sure, it's a fun song. But after the first extended version of 3.0, are you really telling me you had no problem with a typical 3.0 Halley's late in a second set devoid of jams (with the possible exception of R&R)?
Second set was blueballs big time after RnR.
Quote from: Hicks on June 07, 2011, 11:51:22 PM
Second set was blueballs big time after RnR.
But they played Antelope?! In the 2nd set?! That's gotta be worth the price of admission right there.
Quote from: runawayjimbo on June 07, 2011, 11:53:35 PM
Quote from: Hicks on June 07, 2011, 11:51:22 PM
Second set was blueballs big time after RnR.
But they played Antelope?! In the 2nd set?! That's gotta be worth the price of admission right there.
No. That RnR I thought was headed somewhere... like a tone for the second set. Also, 'Lope should have never been played after a 1 show gap! The version in Cuyahoga was hot. I really like it, and this one falls flat in comparison.
Quote from: runawayjimbo on June 07, 2011, 11:53:35 PM
Quote from: Hicks on June 07, 2011, 11:51:22 PM
Second set was blueballs big time after RnR.
But they played Antelope?! In the 2nd set?! That's gotta be worth the price of admission right there.
As sarcastic as that comment is, I'm am going to seriously answer it.
Yes.
Quote from: PhishPhan on June 07, 2011, 11:59:04 PM
Quote from: runawayjimbo on June 07, 2011, 11:53:35 PM
Quote from: Hicks on June 07, 2011, 11:51:22 PM
Second set was blueballs big time after RnR.
But they played Antelope?! In the 2nd set?! That's gotta be worth the price of admission right there.
As sarcastic as that comment is, I'm am going to seriously answer it.
Yes.
OK. Here's one that's not so sarcastic: I truly wish I could blindly defend mediocrity like you. It is inspiring.
Jimbo bringing the HATE!
Look who was at the show!
(http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg517/scaled.php?tn=0&server=517&filename=92if.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640)
haters.
it was a fun show. the reality is that it is 3.0 phish. this is what you're going to get.
do fewer shows and have fun when you do see them.
my approach worked by not listening to much phish at all lately and hearing no recent shows. I enjoyed it a lot more tonight.
but after a crappy 2 days at work, it was just great to be around people I can tolerate and a great community.
good night all.
go back to hating.
Quote from: runawayjimbo on June 08, 2011, 12:04:10 AM
Quote from: PhishPhan on June 07, 2011, 11:59:04 PM
Quote from: runawayjimbo on June 07, 2011, 11:53:35 PM
Quote from: Hicks on June 07, 2011, 11:51:22 PM
Second set was blueballs big time after RnR.
But they played Antelope?! In the 2nd set?! That's gotta be worth the price of admission right there.
As sarcastic as that comment is, I'm am going to seriously answer it.
Yes.
OK. Here's one that's not so sarcastic: I truly wish I could blindly defend mediocrity like you. It is inspiring.
It may appear mediocre to you, but personally, I would have still loved to have been there. It may be due to my lack of attended shows (only nine, as of right now), or just my fascination with the music, but I still love it, despite their apparent mistakes over the past couple of years. I'm sorry you don't share my opinion, I didn't intend to spark such bad feelings from you.
I had a great time tonight -- got to chill with a bunch of paugers I love!
Rock and Roll was the highlight for me.
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on June 08, 2011, 12:13:33 AM
I had a great time tonight -- got to chill with a bunch of paugers I love!
Rock and Roll was the highlight for me.
FUN.
I had a TON of fun. Phish shows are the best.
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on June 08, 2011, 12:17:02 AM
I had a TON of fun. Phish shows are the best.
This actually made me really happy. Thank you for sharing.
just listened to halley's again. it was even long enough to get blue balled from.
although meatstick is always fun too.
off to bed for real now that my beer is done. mike came through nicer on the recording. I was hoping he did because it sounded nice at the show.
sorry wtu. I basically got there right before doors and I had to meet someone to give him his ticket.
and sorry undermind. it was way too hard to maneuver in the section and I didn't get to say hi besides the wave.
Quote from: G. Augusto on June 08, 2011, 12:07:40 AM
Jimbo bringing the HATE!
I blame you and that damn NTJ game.
Quote from: PhishPhan on June 08, 2011, 12:12:09 AM
Quote from: runawayjimbo on June 08, 2011, 12:04:10 AM
Quote from: PhishPhan on June 07, 2011, 11:59:04 PM
Quote from: runawayjimbo on June 07, 2011, 11:53:35 PM
Quote from: Hicks on June 07, 2011, 11:51:22 PM
Second set was blueballs big time after RnR.
But they played Antelope?! In the 2nd set?! That's gotta be worth the price of admission right there.
As sarcastic as that comment is, I'm am going to seriously answer it.
Yes.
OK. Here's one that's not so sarcastic: I truly wish I could blindly defend mediocrity like you. It is inspiring.
It may appear mediocre to you, but personally, I would have still loved to have been there. It may be due to my lack of attended shows (only nine, as of right now), or just my fascination with the music, but I still love it, despite their apparent mistakes over the past couple of years. I'm sorry you don't share my opinion, I didn't intend to spark such bad feelings from you.
See, now you make me feel bad.
I agree, shows are fun. I can't wait for Friday. I think the bvaz "less is more" approach is probably a good idea for me, but I doubt I have the discipline to pull it off. And I guess since they didn't play Dr. Gabel I'd say they improved from last year (although Fish almost ruined it with his Dr. Gabel shoutout during Suzy).
Sorry if I came off like a dick.
:beers:
Quote from: runawayjimbo on June 08, 2011, 12:24:08 AM
Quote from: G. Augusto on June 08, 2011, 12:07:40 AM
Jimbo bringing the HATE!
I blame you and that damn NTJ game.
Quote from: PhishPhan on June 08, 2011, 12:12:09 AM
Quote from: runawayjimbo on June 08, 2011, 12:04:10 AM
Quote from: PhishPhan on June 07, 2011, 11:59:04 PM
Quote from: runawayjimbo on June 07, 2011, 11:53:35 PM
Quote from: Hicks on June 07, 2011, 11:51:22 PM
Second set was blueballs big time after RnR.
But they played Antelope?! In the 2nd set?! That's gotta be worth the price of admission right there.
As sarcastic as that comment is, I'm am going to seriously answer it.
Yes.
OK. Here's one that's not so sarcastic: I truly wish I could blindly defend mediocrity like you. It is inspiring.
It may appear mediocre to you, but personally, I would have still loved to have been there. It may be due to my lack of attended shows (only nine, as of right now), or just my fascination with the music, but I still love it, despite their apparent mistakes over the past couple of years. I'm sorry you don't share my opinion, I didn't intend to spark such bad feelings from you.
See, now you make me feel bad.
I agree, shows are fun. I can't wait for Friday. I think the bvaz "less is more" approach is probably a good idea for me, but I doubt I have the discipline to pull it off. And I guess since they didn't play Dr. Gabel I'd say they improved from last year (although Fish almost ruined it with his Dr. Gabel shoutout during Suzy).
Sorry if I came off like a dick.
:beers:
honestly. last fall I got burned out on phish. it was so easy for me to see so many shows without really missing much work time.
besides 1/1, the only 2011 phish I heard before tonight was WTU playing the halleys and makisupa before the jauntee show friday which I appreciate because I got the page's house reference tonight which I wouldn't have gotten.
I have no idea how tonight will sound on disc but I truly appreciated phish tonight because I wasn't burned out on them.
my highlight was instant karma. it brought me back to 12/31/01 and was a bit emotional for me. but it proves what we already know, music connects us to everyday life and has such an influence on us.
musically, the end of sky was my highlight.
Quote from: runawayjimbo on June 08, 2011, 12:24:08 AM
Quote from: G. Augusto on June 08, 2011, 12:07:40 AM
Jimbo bringing the HATE!
I blame you and that damn NTJ game.
Quote from: PhishPhan on June 08, 2011, 12:12:09 AM
Quote from: runawayjimbo on June 08, 2011, 12:04:10 AM
Quote from: PhishPhan on June 07, 2011, 11:59:04 PM
Quote from: runawayjimbo on June 07, 2011, 11:53:35 PM
Quote from: Hicks on June 07, 2011, 11:51:22 PM
Second set was blueballs big time after RnR.
But they played Antelope?! In the 2nd set?! That's gotta be worth the price of admission right there.
As sarcastic as that comment is, I'm am going to seriously answer it.
Yes.
OK. Here's one that's not so sarcastic: I truly wish I could blindly defend mediocrity like you. It is inspiring.
It may appear mediocre to you, but personally, I would have still loved to have been there. It may be due to my lack of attended shows (only nine, as of right now), or just my fascination with the music, but I still love it, despite their apparent mistakes over the past couple of years. I'm sorry you don't share my opinion, I didn't intend to spark such bad feelings from you.
See, now you make me feel bad.
I agree, shows are fun. I can't wait for Friday. I think the bvaz "less is more" approach is probably a good idea for me, but I doubt I have the discipline to pull it off. And I guess since they didn't play Dr. Gabel I'd say they improved from last year (although Fish almost ruined it with his Dr. Gabel shoutout during Suzy).
Sorry if I came off like a dick.
:beers:
I didn't mean to make you feel bad about your comments.
I apologize. I just always assume anything that is typed is with the utmost negativity. I've just been so used to being criticized for my opinions (in real life, not here), despite the fact that I probably do the same to others. Thus, I've unintentionally become sensitive towards contradictions. My bad, brother.
:beers:
I will add.... it seemed like a super tame crowd tonight.
I think the "Lets go Bruins " chant was louder than any of the cheers for phish.
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on June 08, 2011, 12:31:39 AM
I will add.... it seemed like a super tame crowd tonight.
I think the "Lets go Bruins " chant was louder than any of the cheers for phish.
trey had to be pissed considering the bruins demolished the flyers.
I completely thought TTE was coming.
by the way, I labeled tonight the animals show. 4 phish animal songs.
I had a blast tonight! Band sounding great! Furthur details tomorrow!
Quote from: runawayjimbo on June 08, 2011, 12:24:08 AM
Quote from: G. Augusto on June 08, 2011, 12:07:40 AM
Jimbo bringing the HATE!
I blame you and that damn NTJ game.
Quote from: PhishPhan on June 08, 2011, 12:12:09 AM
Quote from: runawayjimbo on June 08, 2011, 12:04:10 AM
Quote from: PhishPhan on June 07, 2011, 11:59:04 PM
Quote from: runawayjimbo on June 07, 2011, 11:53:35 PM
Quote from: Hicks on June 07, 2011, 11:51:22 PM
Second set was blueballs big time after RnR.
But they played Antelope?! In the 2nd set?! That's gotta be worth the price of admission right there.
As sarcastic as that comment is, I'm am going to seriously answer it.
Yes.
OK. Here's one that's not so sarcastic: I truly wish I could blindly defend mediocrity like you. It is inspiring.
It may appear mediocre to you, but personally, I would have still loved to have been there. It may be due to my lack of attended shows (only nine, as of right now), or just my fascination with the music, but I still love it, despite their apparent mistakes over the past couple of years. I'm sorry you don't share my opinion, I didn't intend to spark such bad feelings from you.
See, now you make me feel bad.
I agree, shows are fun. I can't wait for Friday. I think the bvaz "less is more" approach is probably a good idea for me, but I doubt I have the discipline to pull it off. And I guess since they didn't play Dr. Gabel I'd say they improved from last year (although Fish almost ruined it with his Dr. Gabel shoutout during Suzy).
Sorry if I came off like a dick.
:beers:
My memory is shot to hell, but I remember at one point (fall 97? summer 98? fall 98?) the band talked about some sort of 'no analysis' rule. To me, that's the essence of 3.0 phish. Show up. Enjoy. Leave. And that's it. Took me 3 years to figure out, which is par for the course with me, but that's another story,
http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=545514 (http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=545514)
So, are we ever going to seriously discuss the music of this band ever again???? Night after night, it's just "I had fun", "phish is fun", "I had a great time." Aren't these review threads???....shouldn't we be discussing how the band performed, how the music was?, you know...actual discussion. It's sad how much this band...and it's fan base has degraded.
I remember how at one time a group of phish fans could talk about how Treys run in a certain song was considerably different than the last version....how you could sense the band getting better night after night, changing their sound tour, after tour. Now it seems the people who want to seriously discuss things have to deal with endless "you're a hater" "why don't you stay at home then"...blah, blah, blah.
Its so depressing to me that there is such a divide amongst two very different sets of fans. It seems very clear that if you fell in love with this band in the 90's that by doing what we always have....holding this band to a higher standard, is just pissing off the fans that fell in love with them when they weren't even a band. Maybe it is similar for the old Dead fans who just saw a flood of immature kids showing up on lot to buy drugs and rage with no idea how things were in the past. It seems as though, expecting tickets for well under face, getting pissed off if you have something different to say, wandering around meeting as many people as you can, taking peoples seats, weasling down as close as possible and getting so fucked up you don't really remember the music is becoming the norm and for a fan like me that toured the country with a close friend or two, or in my case the majority of last year by myself in car no longer has a place in this community. There is no sense of real family. Its a "crew" of people going and spending the majority of their time together, with out any respect for other people. Its all about the fun now. And I'm telling you that have no clue...a lot of touring in the 90's wasn't fun. No cell phones, no internet in your pocket....no google maps....no expedia. Fans today seem lazy and selfish. Theres no Pharmers Almanac handing out directions and traffic tips to us, no Green Crew that cleans up all our shit. Hell, just looking at a venue after a show these days is appalling and to me disgusting. No one hands out trash bags, no fans stay behind to help clean. There is no sense of purpose or pride with fans these days. No one wants to give back, it's just take , take, take. And, if someone even remotely suggests things were better or could be better....it just pisses people off.
I want to continue to love this band and all the fans....it's just getting really hard.
Quote from: thatfargone on June 08, 2011, 02:01:40 AM
So, are we ever going to seriously discuss the music of this band ever again???? Night after night, it's just "I had fun", "phish is fun", "I had a great time." Aren't these review threads???....shouldn't we be discussing how the band performed, how the music was?, you know...actual discussion. It's sad how much this band...and it's fan base has degraded.
here's my addition to the discussion. while not really touching on the technical aspects of their playing, but still what I would consider a serious discussion of the music of Phish.
I go to see Phish because on any given night, they have the ability to transport you to another place, where all the worries and concerns of real life disappear, and you experience music that is so great that it fills your soul, and connects you to the band and the other people in attendance. All Phish shows are "fun" and it's great to dance, blah blah blah, but in order for this connection to happen, the music really has to be on another level. Personally, I know the music is on that other level and I feel that connection when I have a tingling sensation in my neck and head, and a feeling a bliss and joy overwhelms me. seriously, it's physical response that I feel to Phish's music (at times). (and, if anyone is interested, I've been completely sober at every Phish show I've seen since the CCCC 12/8/99 show). In the past, Phish would typically reach that level during a group improvisation.
in 2009, I had "fun" at all the shows I went to, but after Fall tour, I had a serious discussion (in my own head) about why I went to see Phish. none of the shows in 2009 really brought me to that other level. but in 2010, it all started to come back.
To get a little specific, in regards to this evening performance in Mansfield,
IT happened for me during Divided Sky, Mango Song, Pebbles & Marbles, and Antelope.
I'm not saying that these are the best versions of these songs, or that the Divided Sky stacks up against a 1994 Divided Sky. But that's not what it's about.. It's not about comparing today's Phish vs the Phish of 17 years ago. They have progressed, grown, changed, and moved on, just as we all have. Which isn't to say that I don't care about the technical playing, or that I don't notice when Trey flubs a line, or whatever. Because that's important. It's important to get it right, and unfortunately they don't get it right 100% of the time. and I know that they
could do better if they all got together an practiced like it was their full time job the entire time between tours. but they get it right most of the time, such that the flubs don't get in the way of really inspired playing. and that's what I saw tonight. a "fun" show, with many moments of truly inspired playing.
Quote from: thatfargone on June 08, 2011, 02:01:40 AM
So, are we ever going to seriously discuss the music of this band ever again???? Night after night, it's just "I had fun", "phish is fun", "I had a great time." Aren't these review threads???....shouldn't we be discussing how the band performed, how the music was?, you know...actual discussion. It's sad how much this band...and it's fan base has degraded.
I remember how at one time a group of phish fans could talk about how Treys run in a certain song was considerably different than the last version....how you could sense the band getting better night after night, changing their sound tour, after tour. Now it seems the people who want to seriously discuss things have to deal with endless "you're a hater" "why don't you stay at home then"...blah, blah, blah.
Its so depressing to me that there is such a divide amongst two very different sets of fans. It seems very clear that if you fell in love with this band in the 90's that by doing what we always have....holding this band to a higher standard, is just pissing off the fans that fell in love with them when they weren't even a band. Maybe it is similar for the old Dead fans who just saw a flood of immature kids showing up on lot to buy drugs and rage with no idea how things were in the past. It seems as though, expecting tickets for well under face, getting pissed off if you have something different to say, wandering around meeting as many people as you can, taking peoples seats, weasling down as close as possible and getting so fucked up you don't really remember the music is becoming the norm and for a fan like me that toured the country with a close friend or two, or in my case the majority of last year by myself in car no longer has a place in this community. There is no sense of real family. Its a "crew" of people going and spending the majority of their time together, with out any respect for other people. Its all about the fun now. And I'm telling you that have no clue...a lot of touring in the 90's wasn't fun. No cell phones, no internet in your pocket....no google maps....no expedia. Fans today seem lazy and selfish. Theres no Pharmers Almanac handing out directions and traffic tips to us, no Green Crew that cleans up all our shit. Hell, just looking at a venue after a show these days is appalling and to me disgusting. No one hands out trash bags, no fans stay behind to help clean. There is no sense of purpose or pride with fans these days. No one wants to give back, it's just take , take, take. And, if someone even remotely suggests things were better or could be better....it just pisses people off.
I want to continue to love this band and all the fans....it's just getting really hard.
You are living in a dream world that didn't fully exist in the 90s either. Furthermore, I find the community today just as good/bad as ever -I've befriended a whole new set of phish friends in 3.0, and it's been an awesome ride. The '90s were never some phishtopia, only here n there at times. Also depends what venues you hit, same as it ever was.
Tonight's hightlights:
RnRoll is peak
though I favor the smoking Pebbles & Marbles that also featured some great jamming at the end (more 2.0 please!)
Mango was finally tight
Mike's Al Green tune, Rhymes, was excellent and is a cover keeper, imo. Very well played taboot
Buttery smooth Bowie, Dsky ocedoc soloing, love the contrast with Stealing Time (which deserves some dark extended jamming!!!!)
Page welcomed us back to his house with some sick work in Suzie
very fluid Bowie, and solid Antelope
Back on the Train also had extra gas
and I'm always down for Bug!
seriously tight show, one huge peak and some smaller ones. Excellent high energy playing -the boys are juiced in 2011.
If you can't see the quality in this show, then maybe it's time for a break. And my guess is that Darien will top this one. I'm packed and ready to get wook-down'd on the coasters.
Instant Karma seemed better played than previously -Trey added some intriguing solo work near the end -not sure he did that last time. I enjoyed it, but I doubt I'll ever truly dig Phish's version. Love the OG, but something doesn't translate for me when our boys drop it. Would rather hear Mike sing Al Green's Rhymes (from tonight) instead, or better yet some Page original like Halfway to the Moon
(http://cache.dealbreaker.com/uploads/2010/06/animated-siren-gif-animated-siren-gif-animated-siren-gif-drudge-report.gif)
I like Mike's solo cover of Rhymes and expect this one to be pleasing as well. I'll reserve judgment of the rest of the showfor after having listened to it.
I'm most looking forward to P&M.
Quote from: thatfargone on June 08, 2011, 02:01:40 AM
So, are we ever going to seriously discuss the music of this band ever again???? Night after night, it's just "I had fun", "phish is fun", "I had a great time." Aren't these review threads???....shouldn't we be discussing how the band performed, how the music was?, you know...actual discussion. It's sad how much this band...and it's fan base has degraded.
I remember how at one time a group of phish fans could talk about how Treys run in a certain song was considerably different than the last version....how you could sense the band getting better night after night, changing their sound tour, after tour. Now it seems the people who want to seriously discuss things have to deal with endless "you're a hater" "why don't you stay at home then"...blah, blah, blah.
Its so depressing to me that there is such a divide amongst two very different sets of fans. It seems very clear that if you fell in love with this band in the 90's that by doing what we always have....holding this band to a higher standard, is just pissing off the fans that fell in love with them when they weren't even a band. Maybe it is similar for the old Dead fans who just saw a flood of immature kids showing up on lot to buy drugs and rage with no idea how things were in the past. It seems as though, expecting tickets for well under face, getting pissed off if you have something different to say, wandering around meeting as many people as you can, taking peoples seats, weasling down as close as possible and getting so fucked up you don't really remember the music is becoming the norm and for a fan like me that toured the country with a close friend or two, or in my case the majority of last year by myself in car no longer has a place in this community. There is no sense of real family. Its a "crew" of people going and spending the majority of their time together, with out any respect for other people. Its all about the fun now. And I'm telling you that have no clue...a lot of touring in the 90's wasn't fun. No cell phones, no internet in your pocket....no google maps....no expedia. Fans today seem lazy and selfish. Theres no Pharmers Almanac handing out directions and traffic tips to us, no Green Crew that cleans up all our shit. Hell, just looking at a venue after a show these days is appalling and to me disgusting. No one hands out trash bags, no fans stay behind to help clean. There is no sense of purpose or pride with fans these days. No one wants to give back, it's just take , take, take. And, if someone even remotely suggests things were better or could be better....it just pisses people off.
I want to continue to love this band and all the fans....it's just getting really hard.
I honestly say this with all due respect, but why are you here then?
you don't need to love what the band is doing now. I sure don't "love" what they are doing now. but I'm not in the post discussion threads a couple hours after the show bashing them.
my comments are geared towards everyone, not just you.
I worked until 4 yesterday, sat in traffic, got to venue not much before doors, went inside set up, got to see some people I don't always see and now I am off to work after a few hours sleep and will most likely have a crappy day since that is par for the course lately.
music is my escape and phish is just a whole different animal than other bands. playing like they used to or not, they still influence people, myself included.
it's the internet. people are going to hate but honestly, I'd rather watch paint dry than waste my time hating on a band night after night.
it is why this is the one and only post discussion thread I am posting in.
I applaud everyone that hates on what phish is doing. it means everything else in your life that you have time to waste on knocking a band down.
phish made my week better last night. I appreciate what influence they can still have on me.
but then again I see a ton of other bands and listen to a lot of other music . maybe you guys should try it more.
Quote from: jasonsobel on June 08, 2011, 01:50:53 AM
http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=545514 (http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=545514)
and yeah, and thanks.
good to see you as always. wish I could have gotten to the lot early to relax a bit with you guys before the show.
hope you get to relax some today.
Quote from: bvaz on June 08, 2011, 06:42:12 AM
Quote from: jasonsobel on June 08, 2011, 01:50:53 AM
http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=545514 (http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=545514)
and yeah, and thanks.
good to see you as always. wish I could have gotten to the lot early to relax a bit with you guys before the show.
hope you get to relax some today.
great to see you as well, Brian. good luck at work today. my biggest goal for my day off is to get the lawn mowed. but I do have a work conference call at 9am, hopefully it won't last too long :)
Quote from: bvaz on June 08, 2011, 06:24:12 AM
I applaud everyone that hates on what phish is doing. it means everything else in your life that you have time to waste on knocking a band down.
phish made my week better last night. I appreciate what influence they can still have on me.
but then again I see a ton of other bands and listen to a lot of other music . maybe you guys should try it more.
Holding Phish to a higher standard than they're currently playing at isn't as hateful as you're making it sound.
Quote from: thatfargone on June 08, 2011, 02:01:40 AM
So, are we ever going to seriously discuss the music of this band ever again???? Night after night, it's just "I had fun", "phish is fun", "I had a great time." Aren't these review threads???....shouldn't we be discussing how the band performed, how the music was?, you know...actual discussion. It's sad how much this band...and it's fan base has degraded.
I remember how at one time a group of phish fans could talk about how Treys run in a certain song was considerably different than the last version....how you could sense the band getting better night after night, changing their sound tour, after tour. Now it seems the people who want to seriously discuss things have to deal with endless "you're a hater" "why don't you stay at home then"...blah, blah, blah.
Its so depressing to me that there is such a divide amongst two very different sets of fans. It seems very clear that if you fell in love with this band in the 90's that by doing what we always have....holding this band to a higher standard, is just pissing off the fans that fell in love with them when they weren't even a band. Maybe it is similar for the old Dead fans who just saw a flood of immature kids showing up on lot to buy drugs and rage with no idea how things were in the past. It seems as though, expecting tickets for well under face, getting pissed off if you have something different to say, wandering around meeting as many people as you can, taking peoples seats, weasling down as close as possible and getting so fucked up you don't really remember the music is becoming the norm and for a fan like me that toured the country with a close friend or two, or in my case the majority of last year by myself in car no longer has a place in this community. There is no sense of real family. Its a "crew" of people going and spending the majority of their time together, with out any respect for other people. Its all about the fun now. And I'm telling you that have no clue...a lot of touring in the 90's wasn't fun. No cell phones, no internet in your pocket....no google maps....no expedia. Fans today seem lazy and selfish. Theres no Pharmers Almanac handing out directions and traffic tips to us, no Green Crew that cleans up all our shit. Hell, just looking at a venue after a show these days is appalling and to me disgusting. No one hands out trash bags, no fans stay behind to help clean. There is no sense of purpose or pride with fans these days. No one wants to give back, it's just take , take, take. And, if someone even remotely suggests things were better or could be better....it just pisses people off.
I want to continue to love this band and all the fans....it's just getting really hard.
Not even sure where to begin. As far as your rant about cell phones, expedia, etc - it's called technology, get on board. I did my extensive touring in the '90's - I'm now 37, married, kids, etc - I want my technology, I want my GPS to tell me how the hell I get from Mansfield to Camden when I'm traveling to shows solo. So, yes, touring was very different back then but it doesn't mean that it was ay better or any worse - just different. Times change mang.
Last year, I was handed trash bags by a bunch of folks in Mansfield, used them for GW > Camden 2 and gave out a couple in the lot in Camden. So did I do my part?
People getting fucked up at shows, moving down front, snagging seats - that's been happening for years. As long as they don't snag my seat and don't annoy the shit out of me, I couldn't care less. There's not a lot I can do about it anyway so why worry about it? Yes, I saw a bunch of Dead shows as well in the '90's and trust me, the crowds and lot then was no better.
What the hell is wrong w/ going to shows w/ a crew? Really? Really? I'm not sure what "crew" or people you hang w/ at shows but the majority of peeps that I see and meet at shows are completely respectful. You're always going to have your wooks at shows. I have met a bunch of people, paugers and non-paugers , over the last couple of years while hitting shows and they have all been courteous, respectful, friendly, non-judgemental, etc.
While I totally respect where you're coming from, it's this exact type of post that causes people to say, "why don't you stay home?"
That is all.
Quote from: mattstick on June 08, 2011, 07:43:56 AM
Quote from: bvaz on June 08, 2011, 06:24:12 AM
I applaud everyone that hates on what phish is doing. it means everything else in your life that you have time to waste on knocking a band down.
phish made my week better last night. I appreciate what influence they can still have on me.
but then again I see a ton of other bands and listen to a lot of other music . maybe you guys should try it more.
Holding Phish to a higher standard than they're currently playing at isn't as hateful as you're making it sound.
agreed. I just got sick of the hate. I didn't have to read it but it does get old and really takes away from reading reviews on here.
it's all good though. carry on.
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on June 08, 2011, 12:17:02 AM
I had a TON of fun. Phish shows are the best.
What he said. I want to give this show a listen before I blahg, but it was good to see Scotty, Birdman & Bro, Redrum & MBird, Aug's Bro and a bit of the Jauntee/Boombasnap acoustic lot set ;)
I stand by my statement last night that it felt like grad night at Disney World. LOTS of high schoolers who had no idea what some of the songs were.
Quote from: shoreline99 on June 08, 2011, 08:22:52 AM
I stand by my statement last night that it felt like grad night at Disney World. LOTS of high schoolers who had no idea what some of the songs were.
there were a couple of kids right next to me. I was talking to them before the show, asking them if they didn't mind sliding over a few seats, so that we could have the center of the row to tape from. they were nice about it, and let us have the center, but they really had no idea. first they asked if I was video taping from the section, and I explained that Phish doesn't allow video recording, but with a tapers ticket, Phish graciously lets us audio tape. I then told them that they could download the show for free from bt.etree.org, and their first question was "why don't you sell the recording?" :roll: these kids clearly had no idea what taping/trading was all about, so I explained a bit more about the non-commercial nature of taping and trading, and why we couldn't and shouldn't sell the audience tapes.
Quote from: jasonsobel on June 08, 2011, 08:28:23 AM
Quote from: shoreline99 on June 08, 2011, 08:22:52 AM
I stand by my statement last night that it felt like grad night at Disney World. LOTS of high schoolers who had no idea what some of the songs were.
there were a couple of kids right next to me. I was talking to them before the show, asking them if they didn't mind sliding over a few seats, so that we could have the center of the row to tape from. they were nice about it, and let us have the center, but they really had no idea. first they asked if I was video taping from the section, and I explained that Phish doesn't allow video recording, but with a tapers ticket, Phish graciously lets us audio tape. I then told them that they could download the show for free from bt.etree.org, and their first question was "why don't you sell the recording?" :roll: these kids clearly had no idea what taping/trading was all about, so I explained a bit more about the non-commercial nature of taping and trading, and why we couldn't and shouldn't sell the audience tapes.
good work out of you :clap:
Quote from: jasonsobel on June 08, 2011, 08:28:23 AM
Quote from: shoreline99 on June 08, 2011, 08:22:52 AM
I stand by my statement last night that it felt like grad night at Disney World. LOTS of high schoolers who had no idea what some of the songs were.
there were a couple of kids right next to me. I was talking to them before the show, asking them if they didn't mind sliding over a few seats, so that we could have the center of the row to tape from. they were nice about it, and let us have the center, but they really had no idea. first they asked if I was video taping from the section, and I explained that Phish doesn't allow video recording, but with a tapers ticket, Phish graciously lets us audio tape. I then told them that they could download the show for free from bt.etree.org, and their first question was "why don't you sell the recording?" :roll: these kids clearly had no idea what taping/trading was all about, so I explained a bit more about the non-commercial nature of taping and trading, and why we couldn't and shouldn't sell the audience tapes.
I have similar conversations at and leaving every show.
I think 4 different people at the show last night asked me who I work for. when I answered "I work for you.", I got the same general confused look each time and they left me alone the rest of the night.
it was a win/win as far as I am concerned. :)
*gets off thatfargone's lawn*
^ :hereitisyousentimentalbastard
That reminds me of a college friend who got out of jury duty by quoting Marx to the DA during selection.
Quote from: bvaz on June 08, 2011, 08:34:03 AM
Quote from: jasonsobel on June 08, 2011, 08:28:23 AM
Quote from: shoreline99 on June 08, 2011, 08:22:52 AM
I stand by my statement last night that it felt like grad night at Disney World. LOTS of high schoolers who had no idea what some of the songs were.
there were a couple of kids right next to me. I was talking to them before the show, asking them if they didn't mind sliding over a few seats, so that we could have the center of the row to tape from. they were nice about it, and let us have the center, but they really had no idea. first they asked if I was video taping from the section, and I explained that Phish doesn't allow video recording, but with a tapers ticket, Phish graciously lets us audio tape. I then told them that they could download the show for free from bt.etree.org, and their first question was "why don't you sell the recording?" :roll: these kids clearly had no idea what taping/trading was all about, so I explained a bit more about the non-commercial nature of taping and trading, and why we couldn't and shouldn't sell the audience tapes.
I have similar conversations at and leaving every show.
I think 4 different people at the show last night asked me who I work for. when I answered "I work for you.", I got the same general confused look each time and they left me alone the rest of the night.
it was a win/win as far as I am concerned. :)
ha! before the show, out in the lots, someone asked me if I worked for the New York Times. (do reporters for the new york times carry around a gear bag and a large mic stand?) the way they said it, made me think that it was actually a serious questions.
on the plus side, on my way out of the venue, I had several random people tap me on my shoulder and thanked me for taping. and the 5 people in our row that had to shift a couple of seats over so that me and Lenny could be in the center were all very cool about it. on the whole, though, it's no wonder that non-tapers end up with tapers tickets, if they don't even know what taping/trading is all about, then it's a good chance that they have no idea what a "taper ticket" is.
Quote from: jasonsobel on June 08, 2011, 08:39:52 AM
Quote from: bvaz on June 08, 2011, 08:34:03 AM
Quote from: jasonsobel on June 08, 2011, 08:28:23 AM
Quote from: shoreline99 on June 08, 2011, 08:22:52 AM
I stand by my statement last night that it felt like grad night at Disney World. LOTS of high schoolers who had no idea what some of the songs were.
there were a couple of kids right next to me. I was talking to them before the show, asking them if they didn't mind sliding over a few seats, so that we could have the center of the row to tape from. they were nice about it, and let us have the center, but they really had no idea. first they asked if I was video taping from the section, and I explained that Phish doesn't allow video recording, but with a tapers ticket, Phish graciously lets us audio tape. I then told them that they could download the show for free from bt.etree.org, and their first question was "why don't you sell the recording?" :roll: these kids clearly had no idea what taping/trading was all about, so I explained a bit more about the non-commercial nature of taping and trading, and why we couldn't and shouldn't sell the audience tapes.
I have similar conversations at and leaving every show.
I think 4 different people at the show last night asked me who I work for. when I answered "I work for you.", I got the same general confused look each time and they left me alone the rest of the night.
it was a win/win as far as I am concerned. :)
ha! before the show, out in the lots, someone asked me if I worked for the New York Times. (do reporters for the new york times carry around a gear bag and a large mic stand?) the way they said it, made me think that it was actually a serious questions.
on the plus side, on my way out of the venue, I had several random people tap me on my shoulder and thanked me for taping. and the 5 people in our row that had to shift a couple of seats over so that me and Lenny could be in the center were all very cool about it. on the whole, though, it's no wonder that non-tapers end up with tapers tickets, if they don't even know what taping/trading is all about, then it's a good chance that they have no idea what a "taper ticket" is.
the NY Times comment is funny.
we should get uniforms for next summer for the whole team.
I got thanked by a few people on the way out last night. I'm just happy people still appreciate an AUD.
was also surrounded by good people last night. the 2 people to my left didn't come back to their seats for the 2nd set so I had a little extra room.
all in all, it was a great night. not much to complain about, except beers were $9.50
Quote from: thatfargone on June 08, 2011, 02:01:40 AM
So, are we ever going to seriously discuss the music of this band ever again???? Night after night, it's just "I had fun", "phish is fun", "I had a great time." Aren't these review threads???....shouldn't we be discussing how the band performed, how the music was?, you know...actual discussion. It's sad how much this band...and it's fan base has degraded.
That's a good point. I'm just getting back to the board after a(nother) hiatus. ll stay out of these threads from now on. I don't mean that sarcastically or passive aggressively. I'm just not interested in analyzing or reviewing, so there's no point getting in the way of others who do.
To answer your other question: sure, it's sad. I'm not exactly happy about abandoning hope that Phish will ever have the same effect on me that they used to. But it's not all or nothing. I still get something out of it, so I'll live in the moment.
And . . . AUDs rule.
I will echo :wtu: and say that this show was fun.
It was not great, it was an average good phish show. I think that the definition of an average good phish show has changed over the years, and that change makes the whole going on tour thing less palatable.
To be honest, after the steaming dumps phish has dropped on great woods the last two years, my expectations were low. They certainly surpassed them. My highlight was seeing Pebbles and Marbles. Never thought I'd see that live. It's not a favorite song or anything, but I wanted to see it pulled off, and I definitely enjoyed it. I thought the Rock and Roll jam was pretty good, but I'll have to relisten to it to see if there was anything that I might have missed that would up it to "good". The Al Green cover was really cool, and Mike nailed the vocals. Llama Moma to start a show was a good way to warm up. Hate all you want, but I was also happy to get my first Meatstick. Overall, I think going in with low expectations helped me sit back and have fun on a relatively tame and jamless evening.
But I think what really made it a fun experience for me was taking my little (19) brother to his second phish show and first summer tour show. Watching his eyes grow big at the site of the lot and the community within it. Seeing how excited he gets when they play a song that he knows. Hearing a song for the first time and immediately dancing and dialing into the groove. The look of wonder when the band leaves the structure of a song for a bit. I mean, I'm watching this kid get it, and it's fun. I saw my first show 17 years ago at great woods, and that show was off the charts good. I'm sure I had the same look on my face when my world opened up that night. As jaded as we get, remember that this was a totally new and crazy and unpredictable experience for us at one point in our lives. Sometimes we need to be reminded of that to gain some perspective.
Go see phish. It will be fun, if not mindblowing.
Time for an extended nap before I head to the Bruins game.
Quote from: bvaz on June 08, 2011, 09:27:35 AM
Quote from: jasonsobel on June 08, 2011, 08:39:52 AM
Quote from: bvaz on June 08, 2011, 08:34:03 AM
Quote from: jasonsobel on June 08, 2011, 08:28:23 AM
Quote from: shoreline99 on June 08, 2011, 08:22:52 AM
I stand by my statement last night that it felt like grad night at Disney World. LOTS of high schoolers who had no idea what some of the songs were.
there were a couple of kids right next to me. I was talking to them before the show, asking them if they didn't mind sliding over a few seats, so that we could have the center of the row to tape from. they were nice about it, and let us have the center, but they really had no idea. first they asked if I was video taping from the section, and I explained that Phish doesn't allow video recording, but with a tapers ticket, Phish graciously lets us audio tape. I then told them that they could download the show for free from bt.etree.org, and their first question was "why don't you sell the recording?" :roll: these kids clearly had no idea what taping/trading was all about, so I explained a bit more about the non-commercial nature of taping and trading, and why we couldn't and shouldn't sell the audience tapes.
I have similar conversations at and leaving every show.
I think 4 different people at the show last night asked me who I work for. when I answered "I work for you.", I got the same general confused look each time and they left me alone the rest of the night.
it was a win/win as far as I am concerned. :)
ha! before the show, out in the lots, someone asked me if I worked for the New York Times. (do reporters for the new york times carry around a gear bag and a large mic stand?) the way they said it, made me think that it was actually a serious questions.
on the plus side, on my way out of the venue, I had several random people tap me on my shoulder and thanked me for taping. and the 5 people in our row that had to shift a couple of seats over so that me and Lenny could be in the center were all very cool about it. on the whole, though, it's no wonder that non-tapers end up with tapers tickets, if they don't even know what taping/trading is all about, then it's a good chance that they have no idea what a "taper ticket" is.
the NY Times comment is funny.
we should get uniforms for next summer for the whole team.
I got thanked by a few people on the way out last night. I'm just happy people still appreciate an AUD.
was also surrounded by good people last night. the 2 people to my left didn't come back to their seats for the 2nd set so I had a little extra room.
all in all, it was a great night. not much to complain about, except beers were $9.50
Thank god for flasks.
nice antelope last night
My first thoughts without re-listening:
Highlights: bowie, sky, rnr, antelope. that halleys->meatstick was painful. the japanese lyrics dance was pretty funny though. none of the kids in the crowd knew what the fuck was going on.
llama was a nice opener, moma was solid. possum, wtf? 2 show gap? cities was nice, someone lit a chinese lantern balloon off the lawn during that. instant karma was a surprise, the bowie and the al green song rocked. the sky was pretty impressive. i didn't hear any flubs but i was pretty spun. i hit the pisser during stftfp but it sounded pretty straightforward.
i thought the second set was good except for bug (don't need it) and the whole halleys->meatwhack. well, the halleys was going someplace until it got 3.0'd. someone on the LST totally jinxed that one. antelope was short but very sweet. i called the suzy encore.
I honestly don't know how anyone could say it was a solid or good Antelope when Trey just stops playing at the peak like that.
Quote from: Hicks on June 08, 2011, 12:46:51 PM
I honestly don't know how anyone could say it was a solid or good Antelope when Trey just stops playing at the peak like that.
I don't think that Trey just stopped playing. not at all. My impression at the show, and again upon re-listening, is that the whole band peaked, and then went on to the next section, but Fishman missed a cue or something, thought that they were going for another peak, and kept wailing away at the cymbal. but it wasn't just Trey who stopped. Page & Mike also stopped after the peak. only Fishman kept going. and then Trey even makes a joke about it a minute later... "Ladies and gentleman, on cymbal, Jon Fishman!!!" and the Fish takes a cymbal solo. honestly, I don't know how you could get the impression that Trey just stops playing.
IMO, this Antelope was great. and the little humor about Fish and his cymbal solo is classic Phish, being able to laugh at themselves.
Quote from: jasonsobel on June 08, 2011, 12:57:37 PM
Quote from: Hicks on June 08, 2011, 12:46:51 PM
I honestly don't know how anyone could say it was a solid or good Antelope when Trey just stops playing at the peak like that.
I don't think that Trey just stopped playing. not at all. My impression at the show, and again upon re-listening, is that the whole band peaked, and then went on to the next section, but Fishman missed a cue or something, thought that they were going for another peak, and kept wailing away at the cymbal. but it wasn't just Trey who stopped. Page & Mike also stopped after the peak. only Fishman kept going. and then Trey even makes a joke about it a minute later... "Ladies and gentleman, on cymbal, Jon Fishman!!!" and the Fish takes a cymbal solo. honestly, I don't know how you could get the impression that Trey just stops playing.
IMO, this Antelope was great. and the little humor about Fish and his cymbal solo is classic Phish, being able to laugh at themselves.
Yeah you're right, Page and Mike stop playing, but actually Trey's finger slipped and made some feedback which is probably what threw Fish off.
In any event, I call that a botch.
This P&M doesn't suck either.
Quote from: Hicks on June 08, 2011, 01:02:54 PM
In any event, I call that a botch.
agreed. certainly not the smoothest peak in Antelope. but it doesn't ruin the Antelope for me.
I had a great time last night. I didn't make it to the venue until right before showtime so I missed the paug meet up unfortunately.
I thought the 1st set was really fun and well played. Llama was fun to open the show. Moma was standard yet Funky. That's the 5th time out of the last 6 shows I've been to that Possum has been played :frustrated:, but they sure ripped it. Instant Karma was a nice kickdown and Rhymes had a nice groove. Dsky was complete redemption. Trey nailed it! Bowie was well played as well.
Very Solid 1st set and I really liked the flow and the song selection!
2nd set started out great with GBOTT and R&R. Mango was fun but not what I was looking for in the 2nd set. Bug was actually enjoyable. I hate it as a set closer, but as a slowdown song not bad. P&M was cool. I'd never seen it live before. Thought we were going to get a Hailey's Jam, but then Meatstick happened :frustrated:. Antelope was a barn burner and the flub was not bothersome live. Kind of funny, especially with the Fishman cymbal gag. When I looked at my clock after Antelope and saw that it was 10:55 already, I said to my buddy what the hell are they going to play for an encore to make curfew. I was glad to hear Suzy. I like it as an encore a lot. The 2nd Page sole was insane! :crazy:
Trey has definitely practiced a lot and they sounded great to me. Best I've heard since they came back quality wise. Mid to late 2nd set song selection and the force into Meatstick is my only gripe, but a lot of people like Meatstick I guess.
NOOB ALERT
Is meatstick a pretty widely disliked song? I personally think it's fun and people seem to get down the 1 or 2 times I've caught it but I've noticed a lot of people complaining when it gets played (not the actual performance, but the fact that it was played).
I also may have entirely made that up.
/just curious
Quote from: bvaz on June 08, 2011, 06:24:12 AM
Quote from: thatfargone on June 08, 2011, 02:01:40 AM
So, are we ever going to seriously discuss the music of this band ever again???? Night after night, it's just "I had fun", "phish is fun", "I had a great time." Aren't these review threads???....shouldn't we be discussing how the band performed, how the music was?, you know...actual discussion. It's sad how much this band...and it's fan base has degraded.
I remember how at one time a group of phish fans could talk about how Treys run in a certain song was considerably different than the last version....how you could sense the band getting better night after night, changing their sound tour, after tour. Now it seems the people who want to seriously discuss things have to deal with endless "you're a hater" "why don't you stay at home then"...blah, blah, blah.
Its so depressing to me that there is such a divide amongst two very different sets of fans. It seems very clear that if you fell in love with this band in the 90's that by doing what we always have....holding this band to a higher standard, is just pissing off the fans that fell in love with them when they weren't even a band. Maybe it is similar for the old Dead fans who just saw a flood of immature kids showing up on lot to buy drugs and rage with no idea how things were in the past. It seems as though, expecting tickets for well under face, getting pissed off if you have something different to say, wandering around meeting as many people as you can, taking peoples seats, weasling down as close as possible and getting so fucked up you don't really remember the music is becoming the norm and for a fan like me that toured the country with a close friend or two, or in my case the majority of last year by myself in car no longer has a place in this community. There is no sense of real family. Its a "crew" of people going and spending the majority of their time together, with out any respect for other people. Its all about the fun now. And I'm telling you that have no clue...a lot of touring in the 90's wasn't fun. No cell phones, no internet in your pocket....no google maps....no expedia. Fans today seem lazy and selfish. Theres no Pharmers Almanac handing out directions and traffic tips to us, no Green Crew that cleans up all our shit. Hell, just looking at a venue after a show these days is appalling and to me disgusting. No one hands out trash bags, no fans stay behind to help clean. There is no sense of purpose or pride with fans these days. No one wants to give back, it's just take , take, take. And, if someone even remotely suggests things were better or could be better....it just pisses people off.
I want to continue to love this band and all the fans....it's just getting really hard.
I honestly say this with all due respect, but why are you here then?
you don't need to love what the band is doing now. I sure don't "love" what they are doing now. but I'm not in the post discussion threads a couple hours after the show bashing them.
my comments are geared towards everyone, not just you.
I worked until 4 yesterday, sat in traffic, got to venue not much before doors, went inside set up, got to see some people I don't always see and now I am off to work after a few hours sleep and will most likely have a crappy day since that is par for the course lately.
music is my escape and phish is just a whole different animal than other bands. playing like they used to or not, they still influence people, myself included.
it's the internet. people are going to hate but honestly, I'd rather watch paint dry than waste my time hating on a band night after night.
it is why this is the one and only post discussion thread I am posting in.
I applaud everyone that hates on what phish is doing. it means everything else in your life that you have time to waste on knocking a band down.
phish made my week better last night. I appreciate what influence they can still have on me.
but then again I see a ton of other bands and listen to a lot of other music . maybe you guys should try it more.
Loved it when they brought us back to "Page's House" during the Suzy. I hope this continues throughout the tour.
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on June 08, 2011, 04:07:07 PM
Loved it when they brought us back to "Page's House" during the Suzy. I hope this continues throughout the tour.
Yeah as I said when we talked briefly after the show it's great to see them having fun and fooling around with their stuff, like the teases that they have been doing as well.
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on June 08, 2011, 04:07:07 PM
Loved it when they brought us back to "Page's House" during the Suzy. I hope this continues throughout the tour.
I've only listened to 2 shows this tour so far, was that something they did during the Bethel Makisupa that keeps coming back?
Quote from: qop24 on June 08, 2011, 04:12:03 PM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on June 08, 2011, 04:07:07 PM
Loved it when they brought us back to "Page's House" during the Suzy. I hope this continues throughout the tour.
I've only listened to 2 shows this tour so far, was that something they did during the Bethel Makisupa that keeps coming back?
Yes.
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on June 08, 2011, 04:12:55 PM
Quote from: qop24 on June 08, 2011, 04:12:03 PM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on June 08, 2011, 04:07:07 PM
Loved it when they brought us back to "Page's House" during the Suzy. I hope this continues throughout the tour.
I've only listened to 2 shows this tour so far, was that something they did during the Bethel Makisupa that keeps coming back?
Yes.
Sweet, guess I'll hafta check it out so I can jinx it and they never do it again. :wink:
Personally I think the whole "Page's House" is dumb.
The first set bowie, however, smokes. This one isn't as good as the Pine Knob Bowie, but it is on the same level.
Those who think that Phish hasn't improved by leaps and bounds over where they began just aren't listening imo. Sure most of this shit is throwaway phish, imo. But it's SOLID throwaway Phish.
These two latest Bowies smoke the fuck out of any other 3.0 bowie.
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on June 08, 2011, 04:36:54 PM
Those who think that Phish hasn't improved by leaps and bounds over where they began just aren't listening imo.
What I've heard certainly sounds at least a
little better but I've only caught a handful of sets this tour so far.
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on June 08, 2011, 04:36:54 PM
Sure most of this shit is throwaway phish, imo. But it's SOLID throwaway Phish.
So what you are trying to say is constipation is better than diarrhea? I think we need a poll for this one...
No, it's akin to the average 89-91 show, imo. Most of that shit is throw away too. It doesn't mean it sucks, but there's no reason to pull it out when you've got the 11/14/95 in reserve.
Cool to see live, doesn't bear repetition.
I don't think it sounds awful by any stretch of the imagination.
If you don't like it, you are more than welcome to not listen to it.
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on June 08, 2011, 04:47:18 PM
doesn't mean it sucks, but there's no reason to pull it out when you've got the 11/14/95 in reserve.
This.
Quote from: Nobes on June 08, 2011, 04:56:41 PM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on June 08, 2011, 04:47:18 PM
doesn't mean it sucks, but there's no reason to pull it out when you've got the 11/14/95 in reserve.
This.
And as a counter point to my own argument, I'd definitely pull it out before I listened to a show like Cincy '99 or 12/17/99.
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on June 08, 2011, 05:02:54 PM
Quote from: Nobes on June 08, 2011, 04:56:41 PM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on June 08, 2011, 04:47:18 PM
doesn't mean it sucks, but there's no reason to pull it out when you've got the 11/14/95 in reserve.
This.
And as a counter point to my own argument, I'd definitely pull it out before I listened to a show like Cincy '99 or 12/17/99.
I like watching you debate yourself if no one else takes your bait
:-D
To be fair to myself, those two points weren't counter each other, the second point was more like an amendment to the first point.
The point is, that I think if people haven't notice a huge marked improvement this tour over '09, they either have really sensitive ears or they suck at listening. Either way, perhaps Phish isn't something they should waste their effort on anymore.
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on June 08, 2011, 05:17:28 PM
To be fair to myself, those two points weren't counter each other, the second point was more like an amendment to the first point.
The point is, that I think if people haven't notice a huge marked improvement this tour over '09, they either have really sensitive ears or they suck at listening. Either way, perhaps Phish isn't something they should waste their effort on anymore.
Good point
faux, do you care to respond?
Best Picture I got. Didn't take many!
During Bowie
(http://yfrog.com/h3lwduij)
Were you in/near the taping section?
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on June 08, 2011, 05:22:58 PM
Were you in/near the taping section?
right next to it, towards page's side of the sbd. Great place to see a show. The sound was phenomenal. I talked to Jason for awhile, but didn't catch up with bvaz.
Quote from: runawayjimbo on June 08, 2011, 05:20:04 PM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on June 08, 2011, 05:17:28 PM
To be fair to myself, those two points weren't counter each other, the second point was more like an amendment to the first point.
The point is, that I think if people haven't notice a huge marked improvement this tour over '09, they either have really sensitive ears or they suck at listening. Either way, perhaps Phish isn't something they should waste their effort on anymore.
Good point
faux, do you care to respond?
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on June 05, 2011, 05:03:28 PM
This Guyute is terrible.
Quote from: Hicks on June 08, 2011, 05:25:52 PM
Quote from: runawayjimbo on June 08, 2011, 05:20:04 PM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on June 08, 2011, 05:17:28 PM
To be fair to myself, those two points weren't counter each other, the second point was more like an amendment to the first point.
The point is, that I think if people haven't notice a huge marked improvement this tour over '09, they either have really sensitive ears or they suck at listening. Either way, perhaps Phish isn't something they should waste their effort on anymore.
Good point
faux, do you care to respond?
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on June 05, 2011, 05:03:28 PM
This Guyute is terrible.
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on June 06, 2011, 02:02:50 PM
My point is that at least when it's bad, it doesn't sound shitty like 2.0. That's a good thing...I guess.
Quote from: runawayjimbo on June 08, 2011, 05:30:57 PM
Quote from: Hicks on June 08, 2011, 05:25:52 PM
Quote from: runawayjimbo on June 08, 2011, 05:20:04 PM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on June 08, 2011, 05:17:28 PM
To be fair to myself, those two points weren't counter each other, the second point was more like an amendment to the first point.
The point is, that I think if people haven't notice a huge marked improvement this tour over '09, they either have really sensitive ears or they suck at listening. Either way, perhaps Phish isn't something they should waste their effort on anymore.
Good point
faux, do you care to respond?
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on June 05, 2011, 05:03:28 PM
This Guyute is terrible.
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on June 06, 2011, 02:02:50 PM
My point is that at least when it's bad, it doesn't sound shitty like 2.0. That's a good thing...I guess.
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on June 07, 2011, 05:30:38 PM
What a crock of shit.
Quote from: Undermind on June 08, 2011, 05:24:42 PM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on June 08, 2011, 05:22:58 PM
Were you in/near the taping section?
right next to it, towards page's side of the sbd. Great place to see a show. The sound was phenomenal. I talked to Jason for awhile, but didn't catch up with bvaz.
I saw Atlanta '98 from Fish side of the Light Board. Perfect place to see a show, imo.
Hicks, that is a terrible Guyute. and yes they played a horrible version of The Divided Sky earlier this tour. However, the level of playing far exceeds on the whole where they were at when they first started this incarnation up in 2010. The flubbed out pieces of shit are far outweighed by the tightly inspired well played polished stones they've been churning out.
I'd say that while the Bowie's aren't as wildly improvised, I haven't heard such perfectly executed bowie's since 1996. The level of playing in these Bowies makes most versions of older tunes that were played in 99-00 look like excercises in futility.
Say what you want about the lack of solid improv, say what you will about the lack of deviation in setlists, say what you will about the newer tunes, but Phish is playing pretty fucking solidly and they do in fact show improvement.
I do like to joke and hate as much as the next guy, however most of my "joking" and "hating" is because I like to get a large scientific sample size before I make any judgements on the music. I think that people saying that "Trey sounds patient" 30 seconds into a version of Tweezer is kind of dumb because you haven't heard enough of the song to know whether or not he fucking sounds patient to begin with. Likewise, people pronouncing "DOOD, BETHEL IS SOOO SICK, PHISH IS TOTES BACK" haven't really gotten enough examples of that kinda playing to make such a proclamation. I think it is funny to see people have a viceral emotional reaction to music without thinking too deeply into what they actually think. As opposed to being contemplative, they're being reactive. I think the same can be said about some people who refuse to see the marked progress phish has made.
PS- Screw you guys for making me type this all out when you are having the argument for me gumbo style. :mrgreen: <--- what's with the smaller afro?
Quote from: Hicks on June 08, 2011, 05:36:56 PM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on June 07, 2011, 05:30:38 PM
What a crock of shit.
It is a crock of shit that fuck your face is in the rotation. What a piece of shit song. Doesn't mean that they suck at playing it.
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on June 08, 2011, 05:35:42 PM
Quote from: Undermind on June 08, 2011, 05:24:42 PM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on June 08, 2011, 05:22:58 PM
Were you in/near the taping section?
right next to it, towards page's side of the sbd. Great place to see a show. The sound was phenomenal. I talked to Jason for awhile, but didn't catch up with bvaz.
I saw Atlanta '98 from Fish side of the Light Board. Perfect place to see a show, imo.
Hicks, that is a terrible Guyute. and yes they played a horrible version of The Divided Sky earlier this tour. However, the level of playing far exceeds on the whole where they were at when they first started this incarnation up in 2010. The flubbed out pieces of shit are far outweighed by the tightly inspired well played polished stones they've been churning out.
I'd say that while the Bowie's aren't as wildly improvised, I haven't heard such perfectly executed bowie's since 1996. The level of playing in these Bowies makes most versions of older tunes that were played in 99-00 look like excercises in futility.
Say what you want about the lack of solid improv, say what you will about the lack of deviation in setlists, say what you will about the newer tunes, but Phish is playing pretty fucking solidly and they do in fact show improvement.
I do like to joke and hate as much as the next guy, however most of my "joking" and "hating" is because I like to get a large scientific sample size before I make any judgements on the music. I think that people saying that "Trey sounds patient" 30 seconds into a version of Tweezer is kind of dumb because you haven't heard enough of the song to know whether or not he fucking sounds patient to begin with. Likewise, people pronouncing "DOOD, BETHEL IS SOOO SICK, PHISH IS TOTES BACK" haven't really gotten enough examples of that kinda playing to make such a proclamation. I think it is funny to see people have a viceral emotional reaction to music without thinking too deeply into what they actually think. As opposed to being contemplative, they're being reactive. I think the same can be said about some people who refuse to see the marked progress phish has made.
PS- Screw you guys for making me type this all out when you are having the argument for me gumbo style. :mrgreen: <--- what's with the smaller afro?
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on June 07, 2011, 10:21:24 PM
The only ones that think that phish are still good are those that never saw them before 3.0
Your lack of a proper citation negates that quote from proper discussion because like a child wandering into a film halfway through the viewing, it lacks context.
Quote from: Undermind on June 08, 2011, 05:24:42 PM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on June 08, 2011, 05:22:58 PM
Were you in/near the taping section?
right next to it, towards page's side of the sbd. Great place to see a show. The sound was phenomenal. I talked to Jason for awhile, but didn't catch up with bvaz.
sorry. once I knew you were there I knew lights would be soon and I had to sett he levels for the first set.
then at setbreak, I didn't see you. you were probably talking to jason :frustrated:
I'll need to make it up to port city one night this summer or one of those shows on the pier in portland.
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on June 08, 2011, 05:49:54 PM
Your lack of a proper citation negates that quote from proper discussion because like a child wandering into a film halfway through the viewing, it lacks context.
It seems like it was only yesterday. . .
http://week4paug.net/index.php?topic=18370.msg580083#msg580083
It's true. The majority of phish fans at the shows I've been to have been younger than 25. That wasn't a discussion of the music, but rather the fanbase.
Context is everything Hicks.
(http://www.esllearnenglish.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/merry-go-round.jpg)
I'm not sure what Hicks was attempting to accomplish with this thread jack, but here is where we were before he decided to embark on this excercise in failure:
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on June 08, 2011, 05:35:42 PM
Quote from: Undermind on June 08, 2011, 05:24:42 PM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on June 08, 2011, 05:22:58 PM
Were you in/near the taping section?
right next to it, towards page's side of the sbd. Great place to see a show. The sound was phenomenal. I talked to Jason for awhile, but didn't catch up with bvaz.
I saw Atlanta '98 from Fish side of the Light Board. Perfect place to see a show, imo.
Hicks, that is a terrible Guyute. and yes they played a horrible version of The Divided Sky earlier this tour. However, the level of playing far exceeds on the whole where they were at when they first started this incarnation up in 2010. The flubbed out pieces of shit are far outweighed by the tightly inspired well played polished stones they've been churning out.
I'd say that while the Bowie's aren't as wildly improvised, I haven't heard such perfectly executed bowie's since 1996. The level of playing in these Bowies makes most versions of older tunes that were played in 99-00 look like excercises in futility.
Say what you want about the lack of solid improv, say what you will about the lack of deviation in setlists, say what you will about the newer tunes, but Phish is playing pretty fucking solidly and they do in fact show improvement.
I do like to joke and hate as much as the next guy, however most of my "joking" and "hating" is because I like to get a large scientific sample size before I make any judgements on the music. I think that people saying that "Trey sounds patient" 30 seconds into a version of Tweezer is kind of dumb because you haven't heard enough of the song to know whether or not he fucking sounds patient to begin with. Likewise, people pronouncing "DOOD, BETHEL IS SOOO SICK, PHISH IS TOTES BACK" haven't really gotten enough examples of that kinda playing to make such a proclamation. I think it is funny to see people have a viceral emotional reaction to music without thinking too deeply into what they actually think. As opposed to being contemplative, they're being reactive. I think the same can be said about some people who refuse to see the marked progress phish has made.
PS- Screw you guys for making me type this all out when you are having the argument for me gumbo style. :mrgreen: <--- what's with the smaller afro?
fauxpaxfauxreal - in general, we agree on a lot.
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on June 08, 2011, 05:35:42 PM
I'd say that while the Bowie's aren't as wildly improvised, I haven't heard such perfectly executed bowie's since 1996. The level of playing in these Bowies makes most versions of older tunes that were played in 99-00 look like excercises in futility.
if the part that I bolded is true, you really need to go back and listen to 12/29/97 Bowie. talk about execution... (http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee344/BrittSimpson/Emoticons/Violence_33.gif)
That is very true. 12/29/97's is very tight. However that is the exception and not the rule. Most bowie's, I think you'll find as I have post '96, are VERY VERY sloppy when compared to their much younger cousin's and when they're compared to The last two phish has played.
The Bowie's in 99 and 2000 especially do not compare to the EXECUTION of the last two. Sure the Japan Bowie has more improv, but the actually playing isn't on par with these two latest versions, imo.
All this griping and just constantly harping on the negativity of the fact that Phish isn't the band that they were for many years throughout `90's has been taken to the point of it being both incredibly redundant and an absolute obnoxious argument. I mean we all know that Phish isn't the band they used to be, and to start to stereotype fans over the way they handle that fact is just belittling to the diversity of each persons personal philosophy on how they want to handle the matter.
There are many obvious reasons why the band is not playing the way they were in the `90's and most likely why they will never reach that level of playing again. It is sort of like a nostalgia act, which I am going to take the best advantage of while it's still here, because this last hoorah is not going to last forever, soon you won't even have any new shows to bitch and complain about or to thoroughly enjoy dancing your ass off and spending beautiful evenings with the band that has apparently brought you so much joy in life that you spend years and years, numerous hours chatting about on-line, lots and lots of money spent going to see shows and collecting their shit, and the time you put in to download nearly 2,000 shows for some of you... So I'm not really sure what there is to gain by just sending Trey or Phish hate mail within these threads anymore, it's not going to change what is nearly impossible to change for this band, and my philosophy is that if I exert all my energy on bitching about how they were in the past in comparison to how they are now, is that I'm just missing out on the last dance with one of the love's of my life.
The fact is all four of them have many more responsibilities to juggle, The band is not on a roar of momentum that culminated over the course of 10+ years like they were in the nineties. The adventure of breaking new grounds and sounds within there improvisational jams while taking songs to new peaks and levels of greatness is no longer even legitimately possible for them. The band is no longer in that position to indulge in such adventures anymore, the moment has long since past, that ship has sailed. All we have now, is what this present time has to offer. Believe it if you need it, or leave it if you dare, but your not proving anything about how good or bad of a fan you are for choosing which one you think is best for you.
Poster Nutbag, I agree with the feeling behind your post.
However, you cannot place yourself in the bands perspective.
Until they say as much, you cannot even pretend to know what their feelings on their music is nor can you serve as an ambassador to explain their own personal motivations with the music.
That said, the feeling behind the words you used does have a lot of merit, imo.
Also I would like to add that I'm not super pissed at Trey for not being able to play the way he used too, I love Trey as a person, and he is someone that has brought me so many good times in life as a stated above, I'm just really thankful and proud of him for pulling himself together and not going down the sameway that Jerry did, which really, really, really sucked!!!
Quote from: Poster Nutbag on June 08, 2011, 06:43:17 PM
Also I would like to add that I'm not super pissed at Trey for not being able to play the way he used too, I love Trey as a person, and he is someone that has brought me so many good times in life as a stated above, I'm just really thankful and proud of him for pulling himself together and not going down the sameway that Jerry did, which really, really, really sucked!!!
I completely get what you are saying.
but I respect their musical abilities. I don't necessarily respect their life decisions.
Quote from: bvaz on June 08, 2011, 07:04:19 PM
Quote from: Poster Nutbag on June 08, 2011, 06:43:17 PM
Also I would like to add that I'm not super pissed at Trey for not being able to play the way he used too, I love Trey as a person, and he is someone that has brought me so many good times in life as a stated above, I'm just really thankful and proud of him for pulling himself together and not going down the sameway that Jerry did, which really, really, really sucked!!!
I completely get what you are saying.
but I respect their musical abilities. I don't necessarily respect their life decisions.
Oh!! I know that, and did not mean to imply that I did respect all their life decisions, but at the same time there aren't to many people who I can say that I do respect all their life decisions, I certainly don't respect all of mine. Although I can say that some of Trey's decisions have transformed my life in a way that I'm really thankful for, which is more than I can say for most of the people that I have been in contact with throughout my life.
Quote from: Poster Nutbag on June 08, 2011, 07:10:44 PM
Quote from: bvaz on June 08, 2011, 07:04:19 PM
Quote from: Poster Nutbag on June 08, 2011, 06:43:17 PM
Also I would like to add that I'm not super pissed at Trey for not being able to play the way he used too, I love Trey as a person, and he is someone that has brought me so many good times in life as a stated above, I'm just really thankful and proud of him for pulling himself together and not going down the sameway that Jerry did, which really, really, really sucked!!!
I completely get what you are saying.
but I respect their musical abilities. I don't necessarily respect their life decisions.
Oh!! I know that, and did not mean to imply that I did respect all their life decisions, but at the same time there aren't to many people who I can say that I do respect all their life decisions, I certainly don't respect all of mine. Although I can say that some of Trey's decisions have transformed my life in a way that I'm really thankful for, which is more than I can say for most of the people that I have been in contact with throughout my life.
I gotcha. it's all good. I am glad he turned himself around.
I'm glad we can all see the road he was leading down and not wanting to go there.
he really seems happier and that makes me happy. not just him. the whole band.
Quote from: bvaz on June 08, 2011, 05:52:23 PM
Quote from: Undermind on June 08, 2011, 05:24:42 PM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on June 08, 2011, 05:22:58 PM
Were you in/near the taping section?
right next to it, towards page's side of the sbd. Great place to see a show. The sound was phenomenal. I talked to Jason for awhile, but didn't catch up with bvaz.
sorry. once I knew you were there I knew lights would be soon and I had to sett he levels for the first set.
then at setbreak, I didn't see you. you were probably talking to jason :frustrated:
I'll need to make it up to port city one night this summer or one of those shows on the pier in portland.
Yeah I wanted to come by at set break, but went to get a beer and take a piss and by the time I got back to our seats the 2nd set had started. My bad. Let me know if and when you are coming up!
Quote from: Undermind on June 08, 2011, 07:23:33 PM
Quote from: bvaz on June 08, 2011, 05:52:23 PM
Quote from: Undermind on June 08, 2011, 05:24:42 PM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on June 08, 2011, 05:22:58 PM
Were you in/near the taping section?
right next to it, towards page's side of the sbd. Great place to see a show. The sound was phenomenal. I talked to Jason for awhile, but didn't catch up with bvaz.
sorry. once I knew you were there I knew lights would be soon and I had to sett he levels for the first set.
then at setbreak, I didn't see you. you were probably talking to jason :frustrated:
I'll need to make it up to port city one night this summer or one of those shows on the pier in portland.
Yeah I wanted to come by at set break, but went to get a beer and take a piss and by the time I got back to our seats the 2nd set had started. My bad. Let me know if and when you are coming up!
I'll look. definitely will let you know. I barely got to talk to jason and a few other tapers as well. I was sort of segregated last night. talked the most to a guy that patched out of my rig that I met last night.
eta: I have no motivation to transfer this and it sounds good too. going to take me all night.
props to jason and 3 other tapers that transferred already. and basically the ones who haven't are on their way to darien. I just suck at life.
PS-LAST NIGHTS SHOW IS FANTASTIC.
I enjoyed reading this thread. The faux v. faux discussion was amusing hicks. IN any case, just finished listening to this, and thought it was a decent show. Nothing stood out as particularly worth relistening to, although I'd like to hear Rhymes a couple more times. Def dug the meatstick teases in antelope and suzy. Also, liked the pebbles and marbles coming out, first time this tour, I believe. On to 06/08....
Yeah, just finishing up Mango. The only thing that has really stood out to me is the Rock & Roll jam. I would have enjoyed this show if I was there for damn sure.