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Title: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: mbw on June 23, 2012, 11:41:27 PM
PHiSH
06/23/2012 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA

Soundcheck: Bold As Love [Unconfirmed and Possibly Incomplete]

Set I:
Funky Bitch, Backwards Down the Number Line, Gumbo, Maze, Torn and Frayed, The Moma Dance, Scent of a Mule#, 46 Days, You Enjoy Myself^

Set II:
Gotta Jibboo, Mike's Song> Simple> Light> Weekapaug Groove> Seven Below%, Bouncing Around the Room, Julius, Slave to the Traffic Light

E:
The Lizards



# Muel Duel featured Page on theremin
^ with Scent of a Mule teases
% with Weekapaug jam
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: mbw on June 23, 2012, 11:45:05 PM
sounded above average.

really looking forward to hearing the weekapaug again.
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: Undermind on June 23, 2012, 11:47:25 PM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on June 23, 2012, 11:45:05 PM
sounded above average.

really looking forward to hearing the weekapaug again.
And looking forward to tomorrow night as well!  Can they make it 4 in a row?  Or will it be another Sunday night "singlestown"?
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: Undermind on June 23, 2012, 11:52:40 PM
First under 20 song show in awhile I bet.
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: McGrupp on June 24, 2012, 01:11:31 AM
Mule was fun and Simple thru Paug were sick.

More later...
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: gah on June 24, 2012, 01:20:49 AM
no weigh? fuck phish.
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: Superfreakie on June 24, 2012, 01:27:36 AM
I hope Shawn's family who were in attendance had a good time and learnt a little more about their son.
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: gah on June 24, 2012, 01:29:36 AM
last bruhgetsdown meet up. rip brother...
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: Thrillhouse on June 24, 2012, 03:06:09 AM
Quote from: goodabouthood on June 24, 2012, 01:20:49 AM
no weigh? fuck phish.

:hereitisyousentimentalbastard
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: Thrillhouse on June 24, 2012, 03:17:18 AM
This YEM delivers.

.........IM SUPPOSED TO BE ON THIS FUCKING RUN! GOD FUCKING DAMNIT!

the truest of "accepting responsibility Jaunts" :cry:
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: Thrillhouse on June 24, 2012, 03:33:45 AM
Either I have lowered my bar on what is  :phish: worthy or the boys are fucking killing it.

I have a feeling it is the latter.
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: Augustus on June 24, 2012, 04:58:13 AM
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Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: Superfreakie on June 24, 2012, 08:08:36 AM
 :hereitisyousentimentalbastard
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: DoW on June 24, 2012, 08:11:16 AM
Quote from: Superfreakie on June 24, 2012, 08:08:36 AM
:hereitisyousentimentalbastard
KOP, the modify button is your friend.
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: qop24 on June 24, 2012, 10:05:40 AM
The only phish show I've had tickets for and bailed at the last minute....of course they would play lizards  :frustrated:
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: Gumbo72203 on June 24, 2012, 10:33:00 AM
finally listening to the real audio.  Streamed last night, laying in bed doing nothing because I feel like shit.

Comments from listening to the stream:


Torn and Frayed - really good Trey solo, thought it was the best one he's played so far for the tune
Moma - nothing outstanding, just well-played fun Phish.  did its job.
Mule - I don't even know what the fuck was happening in the venue but this was all kinds of holy-shit. 
46 Days - peak rage.  Done. 
YEM - holy bonkers.  Couldn't tell from the stream how the intro was, but Trey's licks in The Note section were so fluid, it was weird.  They weren't any different than he usually plays, but there was just... i don't know.  Something was better about it.  And the jam peaked like crazy before dropping into bass and drums.  Killed it. 

Jibboo - listening to sbd now.  This is fucking money.  Trey is all over this mother, especially starting the jam.  Page is killing it too. 

Actually, I'm going to write an essay.  Short-style.  Being a guitar player, I think this Jibboo is the perfect showcase-example for a diorama presenting the clearly-definable characteristics of a state of "improved-Trey" that Trey currently might be inhabiting with his nominal existence.  See, guitar players have a thought process when it comes to how we view the fretboard, pick our notes, and play scales.  Literally, when new things come up, we "break out of the box" and think newly and differently; its the best thing in the world when we 'realize' or 'figure out' a new way to view the arrangement of notes, ways to connect them into phrases, etc etc. 

So, given that I listen to a lot of Phish and have seen them a bunch and that I jam on Jibboo myself a lot, I think I have a fairly good understanding of Trey's style now, the way he plays the song, and the ways it CAN be played.  And this Jibboo, while certainly not THE best ever, is chock full of experimental-fretboard Trey.  He's breaking out, thinking abstractly and creatively towards his fretboard.  He's playing new things.  Thats a fucking good thing.  He's been doing this all tour, actually.  I mean, listen to the AC Chalkdust.  Like, where the fuck did all that come from? 

Mike's Song - Trey busts licks before the jam even starts!!!!!!  Page!!!!  Killing!!!!  The Piano!!!!  omg Trey!!!  what an entrance....  omg Page.  Thanks guys.  This Mike's is pretty great right off the bat.  Trey is just in command of his hands and mind.  OMG!!!!!!!  FUCK!!!   A CADENCE!!!!!!!  Courtesy of Trey!!!!!  Actually I don't know if its a cadence, I'm not sure whether he's playing from a V-ii or something.... but seriously dig this: 

Mike's Song from 2:50 - 3:41.  Trey sets up his entrance perfectly for landing the start of his solo at 3:03.   He ends another lick at 3:21 and immediately sets up a chord-progression ascent that ends at 3:41.  Fuckin a guys, this is Real Trey. 


Anyway, more on the jam.  It patiently builds without the grand glory the way it starts, but its still fucking good.  Trey searching for cool licks, buoyed by Pay Jorgan's impeccable Ray Jorgan.  Trey tosses in some tension notes, Page comes in with the piano underneith.  We land back on the tonic at 5:52 followed by a nice bust-out lick by Trey.  Page comps Trey's licks on the piano which is pretty cool at 6:31.  Nice climb by Trey after, Page lands lower on the piano, Fishman filling blazing on the snare.  Nice final push by Trey at 7:08 for what I'm thinking is going to be the last major peak, few more rounds through the chords, OH MAN!!!!!  Trey licks!!!!  7:30!!!!!  Page is like "ending?"  and Trey's like "FUCK NO MAN WATCH THIS"


hahahaha Trey wanted to play the song correctly!!!!!!!  Oh man i donno what to think about that.  Page miscued the start of the tramps chords, then Trey miscued the closing chords by starting them after playing the tramps chords twice, like the way the song was written.

Simple - for some reason I felt like Trey started the jam early but I think i'm just retarded.  Love his use of the whammy pedal here, in the first few licks.  He uses it to bend down back into one note, and it was awesome.  His fucking playing here is so good you guys.  He's thinking ahead, and using the fretboard and not the whammy pedal.  He's leaving space for the other guys, and Page is just killing his piano tinkling.  Mikes trying to introduce some break-out tension notes, pushing for more space.  5:30 and we're into a theme, Mike throws serious reverb on his bass.  LOVE what he's doing at 5:58, Page and Trey follow, sort of Silent-intro-ish.

I fucking love this new space style.  OMG PAGE!!!!  8:40, with a fucking COOL melody on his synth.  Not sure how I feel about Trey's instigating of Light when Fishman finally comes up with a fucking COOL drum beat to play.  Kinda weird, not sure if it means anything but I really dug Fish's beat there. 

Light - Jam starts pretty cool I guess, a couple nice licks from Trey.  Hard for me to get excited about this song.  I really like what Page is doing on his piano though at 3:50ish.  The song, I think, gets IMMENSELY better when it drops into the relative minor the way they did in AC after the Manteca portion.  Trey and Page trying to add tension at 4:50, Trey hinting to a minor key change.  Gets a little more interesting around 5:40, Trey trying to point at a new chord at 5:53, Page on the piano.  Gets a little disjointed here, Page swings into his clav riff at 6:14, that was pretty cool.  Actually i like what Trey's doing with the looped whale calling, and Page on the RHODES!!!!!!!!! YES!!!!!  This jam is super disjointed now, in a weirdly enjoyable way.  Trey has his looped whale call, Page on the rhodes, Mike with his dog pedal, and Fishman adding off-kilter fills.  Trey coming in with some scratchy soul licks at 7:50, Page hinting at some nice chords at 8:11, Trey funk at 8:20.  Okay here we might have something....  Trey with the wah pedal.  Super delicate now, almost a Stash jam.  HOLY SHIT THIS IS FUCKING COOL!!!!!!!! HOLY CRAP!!!!!  8:45!!!!!  OMG HOLY SHIT WHERE the fuck did this come from!!!!!!

OMG holy fuck seriously, wow wtf this is fucking incredible.  Holy shit.  wow.  Page goes to the clav and it loses the magic, but its still the same jam.  Noooo page, stopppp don't do that shit.  FUCK.  Okay i guess its alright, 9:54, Mike latches onto a new groove.

Holy fucking jockey-bandit Batman, that little Stash-esque bit from from 8:06 until 9:05 when Page goes to the clav. 


OMG Trey modulating to major key!!!  OMG this Light is so fucking cool!!!!  Holy shit!!!!!  We get a little plinko bullshit until 10:19 when Trey leads with more funky chords.  and the change at 10:33.


Seriously guys, from 10:33 on, this Light is serious money.  OMG and Trey is soloing!!!!!  MELODIES!!!!!


For the guys who hate Phish right now, please I beg you to listen to this and see what you think.  The entirety of Light I think points to the progress the band has made with their communication, maneuverability, idea-creation, and syncness. 

oh my god and another new theme!!!  okay maybe not, Trey throws some weird anti-harmony thing on with his whammy pedal, but Trey starts a regular theme at 12:50 and I thought it was gonna stick, but Page seems to not be able to pick up on it so welll, and Mike kind of throws Trey off it seems.  Trey's bringing the jam into to shore now with some evil intervals. 

Weekapaug - great way to bring it in.  Page still on the clav, and Trey bringing his weird loop shit back.  haha this is cool, its fun and funny.  HAHA YEAHH!!!!  Fuck yeah Weekapaug!!!!!!!!  Oh man this is what I, personally, live for: when the band is just having FUN on stage.  Who gives a fuck if they get the changes right exactly, but they're playing and toying with music.  Their music.  This Weekapaug is exactly that: in the moment, off-the-cuff, in the flow.  This is perfect Phish.  You can analyze it and say its sloppy, because it is.  Its not note perfect at all.  Its goofy, but its real.  And thats the best kind of Phish. 
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: McGrupp on June 24, 2012, 10:46:44 AM
I'm going to abide by the 48hr rule before I give it a full review, but the Light from last night had me stopped in my tracks.
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: Gumbo72203 on June 24, 2012, 11:05:15 AM
Dude this Light is fucking the real deal.  The last half is fucking pure Phish gold.  There's whole distinct movements. 

Listening to YEM now.  Guys, this is pretty tight.  The intro sounds a weeeee bit shaky, but they keep it together.  Maybe the cleanest YEM that Trey has played in 3.0???  He does hit a couple bum notes in a few places, from the sound of it it seems to be more hitting a muted string by accident, while his fingers were still in the correct positions. 

I mean, i call it a win.  That whole intro segment is fucking well-played.  Nice job guys, nice job.  I mean, yeah you can practice this song all you want and all you can, but getting up onstage and playing it in front of that many people is always going to be nerve-wracking. 

Fishman sounds really good on it, actually.  Even through the intro runs, hes throwing in little extras.  But oh man the band sounds great, there's an extra oomph in the playing leading up to The Note section, which Trey fucking NAILS.  My god, something about this YEM.  Its like, deeper.  Heavier?  Theres an urgency in the playing; not necessarily frantic but like... an excitement?  Like they're hitting everything harder.  Leaning into it more.  Page especially, its all over this shit.  I donno if its cuz he's mixed higher maybe?  But he means business. 

haha, the Boy yell seems to throw the band off just a bit lol.  Kinda funny.  Fishman doing his job, keeping time through the breaks.  Mike sounds great, extra reverb mixed in; you can hear the room.  Page is killing it!!!!!

I'm not sure if its the SBD or what, but Page sounds exceptional on this.  OH MAN, the WUDMTF segment is AWESOME.  Page's little fill at 7:45, and Fish had a cool one before that.  They all sound super sprightly, and Page is just killing this.

A great YEM, for sure.  Love that he's playing on his Suzy-wobble Moog thing.  Oh man PAGE!!! 


aight i'm out, gonna go play guitar a bit.  This YEM is fucking good.  Oh man wtf PAGE!!!!!!  Start of the tramps segment is just fucking all over, Page wins.  Page wins.  OH MAN PAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: whatapiper on June 24, 2012, 11:15:28 AM
3 in a row?
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: tweezerfan on June 24, 2012, 11:35:57 AM
first show of tour.

mule, cool.

light/paug, interesting.

walked out when trey fucked up lizards, peace!

-i should also note, page is destroying everything. mike, has a new bass. peace.
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: Gumbo72203 on June 24, 2012, 11:37:26 AM
omg this Weekapaug.

I'm not even going to say one word about it, because you all have to hear this.  Literally.  If you hear one thing from this show, please listen to Weekapaug.  This is probably the most important Weekapaug since the hiatus.

Seven Below - little rusty, but the jam is super sublime.  LOVE what Mike does during the beginning of the song itself. 

Bouncin' - after all that, fuck they could have kicked their instruments in the face and I would have loved to eat some ice cream.

Julius - kinda funny; they kill this song now, kind of always a staple for energy when they didn't have super jam confidence.  But here, its not a highlight at all.  Trey seems to struggle in getting Fishman to follow his outbursts in this version, not sure why.  Fishman is just keeping it straight, but it sets up Trey for some nice blast-off licks.  The outro chorus is awesome, with Trey shredding underneith.  And then......

Slave - actually under 9 mins, unless you count the dragged out rave-up ending, which puts it at 9:03 when the last hit crashes.  This jam is fucking good though, I LOVE the beginning.  Trey is letting his ideas simmer, and develop with Mike.  Its fucking cool.  He has the perfect amount of overdrive on his guitar too, which sounds out of tune by the way.  His guitar is definitely out of tune slightly, I think. 

But my god, this set of Phish.  Everything is just straight money.  Its fucking incredible.  I wonder if the band is like, trying to play like its 1999 again, end of the world, etc?  With the ambience and space-man playing. 

Kinda funny the placement of Bouncing, though.  "then before and now once more I'm bouncing around the room" almost as if they finally got the jam prowess back like they felt they used to have.  Its nice to have it back as the landing pad after a session of serious depth and exploration. 


Fuckin a guys.  Fucking.  A.  Phish did it. 
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: Gumbo72203 on June 24, 2012, 11:46:31 AM
OMG SLAVE!!!!!!!!!!!!

This Slave is just awesome.  Trey plays legit lines, and Fishman is super excited about it.  Fishman is all over this fucking Slave, and Trey is killing it!!!!!!  5:30-5:54 is legit sublime Trey. OH MAN TREY ASCENT 6:12 - 6:28.  And then he sinks in, 6/23/04 style with the sustained note!!!!!  Fuckin Page underneith!!!!!

My god I love this band.  Fuck yeah Fishman, roll that snare.  ROLL IT MOTHERFUCKER.  7:46
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: VDB on June 24, 2012, 12:12:02 PM
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on June 24, 2012, 11:37:26 AM
Bouncin' - after all that, fuck they could have kicked their instruments in the face and I would have loved to eat some ice cream.

I don't know what the hell that means, but I like it.
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: aphineday on June 24, 2012, 12:20:53 PM
Quote from: V00D00BR3W on June 24, 2012, 12:12:02 PM
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on June 24, 2012, 11:37:26 AM
Bouncin' - after all that, fuck they could have kicked their instruments in the face and I would have loved to eat some ice cream.

I don't know what the hell that means, but I like it.
lulz
I have yet to hear this show, but Slave is on my all time favorites list, and they've been a complete shit fest in 3.0 thus far. I hope that with the hype here (Gumbo) you're right, and my preconceptions are wrong. I hope it is as good as you say, seriously. If it is...  we'll talk about that ice cream.
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: tweezerfan on June 24, 2012, 01:06:33 PM
in all honesty man, it is a good slave. tight and clean, nothing mind blowing though. peace.
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: Undermind on June 24, 2012, 02:49:26 PM
2nd listen of Mikes through Seven Below.  Good stuff!  I llike what they do in Paug a lot!
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: Gumbo72203 on June 24, 2012, 03:10:56 PM
Right, its absolutely nothing mind-blowing.  Its actually the shortest one of 3.0, I think (unless there is a full track that clocks in at under 9).

But my word, the jamming is pristine.  Trey leaves the opening wide open and watery, just letting it simmer and marinate.  And this lets him work some super melodic lines in there.  It peaks in an untraditional way, but it does so very competently. 

Its just straight and to the point, with a lot of good work by the other 3 guys.  They're stoked to be playing it, they know what kind of set they just threw down. 

Granted, all this excitement does not mean they're playing the best ever.  But my god, this is exciting shit we're getting now. 
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: gainesvillegreen on June 24, 2012, 03:24:10 PM
On my second listen.
Returning again to Backwards, Gumbo, 46 Days, Mikes/Simple, Weekapaug/Seven Below. Lots of fun in all of that.

Underwhelmed by the YEM, Light, and Slave.
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: aphineday on June 24, 2012, 03:51:31 PM
Okay.. Phish played a show. It was VERY above what I expected going in to it. Light usually kills any momentum for me, but this was probably the best Light in my memory anyway. Really enjoyed what was going on, and more importantly I enjoyed how they were playing TOGETHER (and by they I mean Trey). I think that it was pretty obvious to me that the other guys are pumped because Trey is playing with them on songs/jams now, so it makes their playing even better.
What this breaks down to for me is pretty simple: they are improving. I love this band, and I'll admit that at times I was so frustrated with 3.0 that I was tempted to stop listening, but I never have (at least not all together). Now I certainly don't think that just because there have been 3 decent shows  that "Phish Is Fucking Back". I think Trey has his head in the game more, and is *maybe* a little more interested in jamming than he was at the beginning of the tour - and I hope it continues, as he's really playing much more inspired than he was earlier in the tour (say Boner-roo). He might just be relaxing more, and "going with the flow", or he might be actually taking an interest in what this band is doing. I personally hope it's a good mix between the two.

This show highlights for me: Weekapaug Groove -> Seven Below is silky, Light, Scent Of A Mule, and the Slave didn't suck ass (but it might not have taken me to the same place it did Gumbo).
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: whatapiper on June 24, 2012, 04:11:14 PM
I'd love to hear what Mattstick had to say.
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: Thrillhouse on June 24, 2012, 04:55:09 PM
Quote from: McGrupp on June 24, 2012, 10:46:44 AM
I'm going to abide by the 48hr rule before I give it a full review, but the Light from last night had me stopped in my tracks.

atta boy.
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: Gumbo72203 on June 24, 2012, 05:53:36 PM
Quote from: aphineday on June 24, 2012, 03:51:31 PM
I think Trey has his head in the game more, and is *maybe* a little more interested in jamming than he was at the beginning of the tour - and I hope it continues, as he's really playing much more inspired than he was earlier in the tour (say Boner-roo). He might just be relaxing more, and "going with the flow", or he might be actually taking an interest in what this band is doing. I personally hope it's a good mix between the two.

This show highlights for me: Weekapaug Groove -> Seven Below is silky, Light, Scent Of A Mule, and the Slave didn't suck ass (but it might not have taken me to the same place it did Gumbo).

First, its definitely not my favorite Slave ever lol.  Don't get me wrong, I think its great, but it doesn't give me the soulgasm like 6/23/04 does.  Its just a great, well-played competent Slave.

2nd, I'm not going to say you're wrong in your assessment of Trey, but honestly I think it comes down to confidence in his own playing.  His playing has CHANGED.  I mean, I experience this myself when I play myself and jam.  Sometimes, you just can't come up with anything you feel is worthwhile; its like you're fighting the notes.  Either, due to lack of practice, distractions by other things in life, the sound not being quite right, etc etc.  *Something* is blocking your mind from entering the flow.  But when Ive been playing for a good week straight every day, I'll get on runs where EVERYTHING I play is fucking gold.  I have confidence that no matter what, I'm going to come up with something awesome.

Typically, its half-inspired by me changing up the routine.  Instead of throwing on a clean sound with a phaser over the Jibboo groove, I'll start with a sound like David Gilmour on ABITW pt1, super delayed-out.  And having that new framework literally opens up my mind, because I'm like "oO the delay does this, so then I can do THIS and THAT sort of phrase/lick". 

And when you're playing a lot, your hand is more limber and better shape, and your timing is a shit-ton better, enabling you to bust into some crazy licks easier and know that you're going to land them in time with the beat.

And its weird, because for most of the "bust out licks" you kind of just sort of like, almost spasm your hands into motion, and hope that you hit something sick.  You aren't in complete control, because you can't think that linear in such a short amount of time.  You're relying on muscle memory, and memory of the fretboard combined with knowing what key you're in, what scales you can work, etc etc. 

So, anyway....  analyzing it from what he's actually playing, beginning with the Worcester Boogie On, it seems like he simply has more confidence in himself to let it go and let it rip on the fly.  Before, he'd only EVER bust into any crazy fast licks when the energy was juuuust about to pop off, and it was like "hey i need to play catch up, so even if its a little shaky, it'll fit" because everything is already wild and off the rails. 

Plus, when you throw OTHER PEOPLE into the equation, everything changes.  Every decision you make has more weight.  I open my window when I jam, because it lets a breeze in, and if I know ppl are walking by outside, even if they aren't paying attention, it impacts my playing SIGNIFICANTLY, because its like "well, i'd be fine if i miss a few notes because its just me, but someone else hearing that?  they're going to JUDGE it". 

Anyway, basically we're both right haha.  I just love that we've got badass "im a fuckin MAN and I play GUITAR, bitches" Trey back, instead of weiner pussy-footing "ohhhh i donnno guysssss" Trey.  Which comes down to confidence.  The jock guys always got the girls because they had the confidence and gusto to fuckin GO THERE, rather than sit around and get caught up in their own self-analyzation of the situation. 

He's got the balls to take risks now.  Its paying off, and its goading him to do it more, knowing that it'll succeed.  Plus, he rediscovered the whammy loops and wah pedal.  So, he's got new elements to factor into his palette of tools, which impacts his thought process and how he approaches the music.  Combine that with Page being (thankfully!) super eager to go to the synthesizers, and bam.  We have new Phish.
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: zackonthetrain on June 24, 2012, 06:47:45 PM
I was at the show and havent listened to it since but here are some of my initial reactions:

First show ive seen in a long time that was <20 songs.
Torn and Frayed was much better than all the others I have seen.
Gotta Jibboo was one of my favorites of the night and a great way to open the 2nd set.
Light was fun, and it was great to see all four members listening to each other even if the jam wasnt so 1.0 or 2.0 epic.
Weekapuag was also interesting.

Overall id like to give Light and weekapaug another listen, but i left feeling like i went to a very solid, above average phish show. I hope this band keeps it up cause i had a lot of fun and i hope everyone else on tour can have fun too all the following shows.

Thats it for my summer, heading back west and going to catch them again at Dicks in Denver and thats it. Enjoy!
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: emay on June 24, 2012, 09:24:17 PM
Band seemed pretty comfortable and took some risks during the show which makes me think they were feeling pretty locked in or in a mood for exploration.
This show is a great example that this band still has some progressing to do...they have only been back for 3 years from a 5 year "hiatus". In no way do I expect them to deliver like its 95-97. They are going to be around for a while, and they will get more and more comfortable with jams and exploration as time passes and they play more and more together. Not to mention they probably invest 1/10 as much time invested in Phish as they did in any other 3 year period of time they have played together.

But yeah light, weekapaug, yem, scent, 7 below should all be listened to. Great 3.0 versions.
Also, this crowd seemed very fun yet respectful and aware of what was going on for most the show. Lots of dancing and very minimal talking where I was. It seemed like a lot of people were just focused on the show. I said to one of my buddies "this is probably the quietest I have seen the crowd in a while at a phish show" and I didnt have to talk over anyone to tell him that...pretty cool. There was a ton of fucked up people on the walk in, some didnt even make it to the show, saw some passed out in the lot, on the lawn before the show, and saw someone seizing in the line to check tickets...crazy shit.

A ridiculously wild night in Cornopolis after the show/early morning today.  :crazy: So glad I made it back to MD.
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: mattstick on June 24, 2012, 10:12:59 PM
Quote from: whatapiper on June 24, 2012, 04:11:14 PM
I'd love to hear what Mattstick had to say.

It jammed more than I expected.
It was tighter than I expected.

If all 3.0 shows were to this standard there would be a lot less 3.0 griping.

Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: aphineday on June 25, 2012, 01:29:50 AM
Quote from: mattstick on June 24, 2012, 10:12:59 PM
Quote from: whatapiper on June 24, 2012, 04:11:14 PM
I'd love to hear what Mattstick had to say.
If all 3.0 shows were to this standard there would be a lot less 3.0 griping.
It certainly makes me excited to spend money to see them at least.
I'm not looking for 1.0, but I'm definitely going to be griping if I spend $240+ on tickets for 4 nights and hear no jamming.
If I wanted to see the same shit repeated (relatively poorly) over and over again, I'd just hop on the *insert name of semi-popular shit fest here* tour.

This at least makes me happy.
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: Thrillhouse on June 25, 2012, 02:14:57 AM
This show is clearly above average but this whole slave fluff is just that.

Fluff.  straight mehsville
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: mattstick on June 25, 2012, 08:26:01 AM

Slave was well played and placed perfectly as a set closer.

Granted, it's nothing like the Julius > Slave from Cleveland '97 (only other pairing of those songs?) but Slave did was Slave is supposed to do.

I can't be too objective here, I really dug this show - it may have been the first time since Red Rocks when I left the venue wondering how I could get to the next show without interrupting my life too much... but instead I went to the Pirates game and drove home the next day.
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: mbw on June 25, 2012, 09:05:43 AM
took the paug> seven below for a spin on the way to work. i skipped the light for now because the live phish app isn't seekable and i didn't want to sit through the whaling in the beginning of the jam.

the paug really is pretty great.  some of the most creative playing/communication i have heard from this band in a long time.  there were multiple times trey could have gone for the peak but didn't.  a few times fish goes for the peak, then has to bring it back down because trey isn't ready.  i don't blame him though, he has been trained to go for the peak, and go early for years now.

thought seven below was a mess.  it doesn't know what song it is throughout most of it, and not in a good way.
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: danje on June 25, 2012, 11:00:08 AM
Its so good to be at a show when the band starts clicking and you just can't stop grinning. So pumped for the rest of this tour.
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: aphineday on June 25, 2012, 11:13:00 AM
Interested to hear a Hicks review of this show... Specifically the Light jam.
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: runawayjimbo on June 25, 2012, 11:31:51 AM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on June 25, 2012, 09:05:43 AM
took the paug> seven below for a spin on the way to work. i skipped the light for now because the live phish app isn't seekable and i didn't want to sit through the whaling in the beginning of the jam.

the paug really is pretty great.  some of the most creative playing/communication i have heard from this band in a long time.  there were multiple times trey could have gone for the peak but didn't.  a few times fish goes for the peak, then has to bring it back down because trey isn't ready.  i don't blame him though, he has been trained to go for the peak, and go early for years now.

thought seven below was a mess.  it doesn't know what song it is throughout most of it, and not in a good way.

Yeah, I had forgotten how much whaling there was in Light because the calypso jam washed it out of my mind. Agree on the Paug, that was a lot of fun; disagree on the 7 Below, the intro was a little rough but I thought the jam was pretty enjoyable (from my first half paying attention re-listen).

Overall, I thought it was a really strong show and it's a toss up for me between this and Cincy for my favorite thus far (haven't gotten to last night's second set yet). I thought the first set was well played and flowed nicely and I really enjoyed the whole sequence from Mike's > 7 Below. I also kinda liked how pissed Trey was when he flubbed the Lizards lyrics instead of just laughing it off; tells me he's taking it more seriously than I thought he was at the start of the tour. I'm excited (I just hope they don't lose this momentum with the whole week off).
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: Undermind on June 25, 2012, 06:36:45 PM
http://phishvidcollection.blogspot.com/2012/06/phish-2012-06-23-burgettstown-pa-mk.html
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: antelope19 on June 25, 2012, 10:57:38 PM
Not sure if this was mentioned, but apparently mike got a ride with some phans to this show. Story and #1 here: http://forum.phish.net/thread.php?thread=1340658856

Pretty funny
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: mbw on June 25, 2012, 11:05:59 PM
Quote from: antelope19 on June 25, 2012, 10:57:38 PM
Not sure if this was mentioned, but apparently mike got a ride with some phans to this show. Story and #1 here: http://forum.phish.net/thread.php?thread=1340658856

Pretty funny

thats great.
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: Buffalo Budd on June 25, 2012, 11:12:30 PM
Quote from: antelope19 on June 25, 2012, 10:57:38 PM
Not sure if this was mentioned, but apparently mike got a ride with some phans to this show. Story and #1 here: http://forum.phish.net/thread.php?thread=1340658856

Pretty funny

Awesome and love this post

QuoteYou made him sit in the back!?
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: gah on June 25, 2012, 11:19:32 PM
Quote from: Buffalo Budd on June 25, 2012, 11:12:30 PM
Quote from: antelope19 on June 25, 2012, 10:57:38 PM
Not sure if this was mentioned, but apparently mike got a ride with some phans to this show. Story and #1 here: http://forum.phish.net/thread.php?thread=1340658856

Pretty funny

Awesome and love this post

QuoteYou made him sit in the back!?

Yeah, that's pretty funny. Secondly, Gordo's vegetarian?  :?
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: rowjimmy on June 26, 2012, 09:41:22 AM
Gotta Jibboo should either be shelved or they should only play one verse and three minutes of Trey's go-nowhere solo and spare us the rest.
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: rowjimmy on June 26, 2012, 09:45:56 AM
Setlist should read "Mike's Song, Simple"
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: VDB on June 26, 2012, 10:03:28 AM
Quote from: antelope19 on June 25, 2012, 10:57:38 PM
Not sure if this was mentioned, but apparently mike got a ride with some phans to this show. Story and #1 here: http://forum.phish.net/thread.php?thread=1340658856

Pretty funny

There's something peculiar about that.... since when does Mike Gordon smile for pictures?
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: tet on June 26, 2012, 10:09:30 AM
Quote from: V00D00BR3W on June 26, 2012, 10:03:28 AM
There's something peculiar about that.... since when does Mike Gordon smile for pictures?

was thinking the same thing...
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: rowjimmy on June 26, 2012, 10:13:41 AM
Quote from: tet on June 26, 2012, 10:09:30 AM
Quote from: V00D00BR3W on June 26, 2012, 10:03:28 AM
There's something peculiar about that.... since when does Mike Gordon smile for pictures?

was thinking the same thing...

I was wondering what was wrong with his face.
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: JPhishman on June 27, 2012, 03:45:24 AM
This Light>Week4paug are about as good as 3.0 gets for me.

Light is about the most genuine Phish jam you're gonna get these days IMO, going back to the Greek version, Gorge '09 even. When they get past the, how do I say, "unsavory" first 3-4 min of the song and start linking up I feel they really don't know where it will end, which is really what I am looking for out of these guys, and is at a premium to say the least.

I'm 1x through the majority of this tour now with exception of only the Cincy Twist x3-4 which I really want to be psyched about but can't quite get there.

This is my fav of this summer so far.
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: rowjimmy on June 27, 2012, 09:39:03 AM
The space jam > Light was smooth.

Nothing they haven't done before but still decent.


Still, that's a lot of show to listen to for one brief jam.
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: WillBreathes on June 27, 2012, 03:01:59 PM
Really enjoyed this show a lot, but the train wreck that was Seven Below took the wind out of my sails.  Slave brought the energy back up for me, and Lizards was nice... but 7Below, Bouncing, Julius is a rough spot for me.
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: Gumbo72203 on June 27, 2012, 07:56:48 PM
anyone else see the videos and notice that the jams finally came out when Kuroda chilled the fuck out? 

couldn't help but think there might be a connection
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: kellerb on June 27, 2012, 09:33:01 PM
Quote from: Gumbo72203 on June 27, 2012, 07:56:48 PM
anyone else see the videos and notice that the jams finally came out when Kuroda chilled the fuck out? 

couldn't help but think there might be a connection

Like the band having to try harder for the crowd to go WOOOO.  Kuroda helps them cheat.
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: WhatstheUse? on June 27, 2012, 10:13:41 PM
Gave a listen to the Light>Paug today and was quite pleased.

Light was def above average and the Paug show glimpses of what used to be! Segue still blew donkey balls though!
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: Hicks on June 27, 2012, 11:06:54 PM
Quote from: aphineday on June 25, 2012, 11:13:00 AM
Interested to hear a Hicks review of this show... Specifically the Light jam.

It's good to know somebody else thinks my opinion is as important as I do!   :wink:

Listened to this second set a few times over the last couple days.  The Simple jam probably takes the cake for me honestly, the waves of bass that Mike creates toward the end are pure butter and the whole thing just developed so organically IMO. 

Light definitely has some things going for it too, the major key jam  toward the end has the great uplifting vibe.  The whaling at the beginning isnt too bad, plus what Mike and Page are doing underneath is interesting/groovy enough for it to be forgivable.  I actually thought the other loop Trey set up in the next section was more borderline annoying, but it didn't last all that long.  The Berkeley Light pwns this, as does Gorge 09, although it is the lesser of the two.  Maybe it's a contender for #3, prolly not though. 

The Paug kicked some serious ass, the stop/start funk jam while not the cleanest, was still awesome to hear them do.  The majority fo the jam made the case for the plinko funk being a legitimate jamming style a la the nTelos '11 Sand.  The end was pretty funny too.  But just that Trey jammed with the wah makes me really happy. 

Sure the beginning of Seven Below was rough but you don't hear them slide into a jam of another song that smoothly too often anymore.  On one listen it even fooled me into thinking I was still listening to the Paug and -7 hadn't started yet.  Interesting that page used the organ instead of the Guitar Center preset on what I guess would be called the "bridge", I think I prefer the organ but I still wish he would go back to the floaty synth sound he used in 2.0.  Had the Summer 03 stop on a dime ending which is cool. 

BEST SEVEN BELOW OF 3.0     :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:








j/k I know Albany is better! 

The rest was just gravy, but man four standout jams in a row is without a doubt something to write home about for 3.0.  I still have only listened to 6-22 once, but this might even beat it out for best set of the tour. 
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: aphineday on June 27, 2012, 11:35:37 PM
Quote from: Hicks on June 27, 2012, 11:06:54 PM
Quote from: aphineday on June 25, 2012, 11:13:00 AM
Interested to hear a Hicks review of this show... Specifically the Light jam.

It's good to know somebody else thinks my opinion is as important as I do!   :wink:

Listened to this second set a few times over the last couple days.  The Simple jam probably takes the cake for me honestly, the waves of bass that Mike creates toward the end are pure butter and the whole thing just developed so organically IMO. 

Light definitely has some things going for it too, the major key jam  toward the end has the great uplifting vibe.  The whaling at the beginning isnt too bad, plus what Mike and Page are doing underneath is interesting/groovy enough for it to be forgivable.  I actually thought the other loop Trey set up in the next section was more borderline annoying, but it didn't last all that long.  The Berkeley Light pwns this, as does Gorge 09, although it is the lesser of the two.  Maybe it's a contender for #3, prolly not though. 

The Paug kicked some serious ass, the stop/start funk jam while not the cleanest, was still awesome to hear them do.  The majority fo the jam made the case for the plinko funk being a legitimate jamming style a la the nTelos '11 Sand.  The end was pretty funny too.  But just that Trey jammed with the wah makes me really happy. 

Sure the beginning of Seven Below was rough but you don't hear them slide into a jam of another song that smoothly too often anymore.  On one listen it even fooled me into thinking I was still listening to the Paug and -7 hadn't started yet.  Interesting that page used the organ instead of the Guitar Center preset on what I guess would be called the "bridge", I think I prefer the organ but I still wish he would go back to the floaty synth sound he used in 2.0.  Had the Summer 03 stop on a dime ending which is cool. 

BEST SEVEN BELOW OF 3.0     :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:








j/k I know Albany is better! 

The rest was just gravy, but man four standout jams in a row is without a doubt something to write home about for 3.0.  I still have only listened to 6-22 once, but this might even beat it out for best set of the tour. 
This Light definitely struck me more than the Berkley Light or the Gorge, but I'm definitely going to re-listen now.

Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: Hicks on June 28, 2012, 12:38:42 AM
I'd say the Berkeley Light legitimately deserves a place in the discussion of best jam of 3.0.

Oh yeah, forgot to mention that I really liked how Page led the 'paug jam in Seven Below, that's probably why it was so smooth. . . 
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: WhatstheUse? on June 28, 2012, 01:23:47 AM
Quote from: Hicks on June 28, 2012, 12:38:42 AM
I'd say the Berkeley Light legitimately deserves a place in the discussion of best jam of 3.0.

Absolutely.
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: whatapiper on June 28, 2012, 01:32:04 AM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on June 28, 2012, 01:23:47 AM
Quote from: Hicks on June 28, 2012, 12:38:42 AM
I'd say the Berkeley Light legitimately deserves a place in the discussion of best jam of 3.0.

Absolutely.

I had fun.  :wink:
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: emay on June 28, 2012, 01:44:58 PM
http://vimeo.com/44875147
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: Play_It_Leo on June 29, 2012, 10:03:25 PM
Just getting to this show now. This Mule jam is kick-ass!
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: mbw on June 29, 2012, 10:07:48 PM
Quote from: Play_It_Leo on June 29, 2012, 10:03:25 PM
Just getting to this show now. This Mule jam is kick-ass!

pages tears it a new ass.  the whole thing is really great though.
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: gah on June 30, 2012, 08:29:26 AM
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on June 29, 2012, 10:07:48 PM
Quote from: Play_It_Leo on June 29, 2012, 10:03:25 PM
Just getting to this show now. This Mule jam is kick-ass!

pages tears it a new ass.  the whole thing is really great though.

I love the look on treys face at 3:33, 3:43 area....just watching page and being all  :-o
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: sunrisevt on June 30, 2012, 08:47:58 AM
Theremin? Now that's just silly.  :clap:

Never noticed that Fender-type bass before, behind Mike. New backup axe?
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: McGrupp on June 30, 2012, 11:54:05 AM
Quote from: sunrisevt on June 30, 2012, 08:47:58 AM
Theremin? Now that's just silly.  :clap:

Never noticed that Fender-type bass before, behind Mike. New backup axe?

I think he purchased it in the Pittsburgh area sometime during the day of the show. Phish posted a picture on Twitter of Mike in a music shop with that very bass in his hands. The caption read: "Mike found a new toy."
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: Play_It_Leo on June 30, 2012, 12:24:08 PM
Wow. Week4paug was great. 7 Below, on the other hand, was horribly botched through the "composed" section. The jam was too average to save it.
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: WhatstheUse? on July 02, 2012, 12:05:44 PM
Mule was indeed pretty sweet as far as Mule's go. Good to see them having fun.

I got a kick out of seeing Trey attempting the Russian dance, and as he looks over at Mike, Mike's all "wtf are you doing, play the song..." .... then Trey proceeds to mess up the cool part.

But yeah, I liked it.  :wtu:
Title: Re: 06/23 - First Niagara Pavilion - Burgettstown, PA -Post-Show Discussion
Post by: susep on December 29, 2012, 12:54:57 PM
Solid Light jam.