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Poll
Question: Who are you leaning towards in the 2020 Democratic primary? Pick 2
Option 1: Bernie Sanders votes: 10
Option 2: Kamala Harris votes: 0
Option 3: Pete Buttigieg votes: 3
Option 4: Elizabeth Warren votes: 10
Option 5: Cory Booker votes: 0
Option 6: Kirsten Gillibrand votes: 0
Option 7: Amy Klobuchar votes: 0
Option 8: Beto O'Rourke votes: 0
Option 9: Tulsi Gabbard votes: 1
Option 10: John Hickenlooper votes: 0
Option 11: Julián Castro votes: 0
Option 12: Jay Inslee votes: 0
Option 13: Andrew Yang votes: 1
Option 14: Marianne Williamson votes: 0
Option 15: Eric Swalwell votes: 0
Option 16: Giant Douch votes: 0
Option 17: MAGA, bitch. votes: 1
Option 18: Turd Sandwich votes: 0
Option 19: Mike Gravel votes: 0
Option 20: Joe Biden votes: 1
Title: 2020 Democratic Primary Poll (NOW WITH VOTE CHANGING!)
Post by: mistercharlie on April 19, 2019, 09:07:30 PM
Now votes can be recast and changed! I feel like Russia, meddling with votes!  :evil:
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Post by: mbw on April 19, 2019, 09:27:19 PM
(https://i0.wp.com/firemaddow.wpengine.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/rachelmaddow-696x392.png?resize=696%2C392)
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Post by: mbw on April 23, 2019, 07:13:50 PM
Former Sen. Mike Gravel up in here.
Title: Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Poll (NOW WITH VOTE CHANGING!)
Post by: mistercharlie on April 25, 2019, 07:29:33 AM
And now Joe Biden is in the race.
Title: Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Poll (NOW WITH VOTE CHANGING!)
Post by: rowjimmy on April 25, 2019, 08:37:23 AM
Quote from: mistercharlie on April 25, 2019, 07:29:33 AM
And now Joe Biden is in the race.

Good ol' Handsy Joe.
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Post by: ytowndan on April 25, 2019, 09:13:22 AM
:yawn:
Title: Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Poll (NOW WITH VOTE CHANGING!)
Post by: mistercharlie on April 25, 2019, 10:02:44 AM
Quote from: rowjimmy on April 25, 2019, 08:37:23 AM
Quote from: mistercharlie on April 25, 2019, 07:29:33 AM
And now Joe Biden is in the race.

Good ol' Handsy Joe.

Well, if ol' Grab 'em by the pussy can get elected why not someone who's just a little handsy and kissy. Although I honestly still hold a grudge against him for not running in the last race.
Title: Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Poll (NOW WITH VOTE CHANGING!)
Post by: emay on April 25, 2019, 10:31:34 AM
Quote from: ytowndan on April 25, 2019, 09:13:22 AM
:yawn:


:hereitisyousentimentalbastard
Title: Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Poll (NOW WITH VOTE CHANGING!)
Post by: mbw on April 25, 2019, 11:44:20 AM
Speaking of yawning, I found these pics of Pete Buttigeig.





(https://t2.ftcdn.net/jpg/02/18/79/83/400_F_218798304_gXRlZJhDvyVwxPuqzYTNBPrzuW4IyhWV.jpg)

(http://www.ashbysicecream.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/xl_vanilla.png)
Title: Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Poll (NOW WITH VOTE CHANGING!)
Post by: rowjimmy on April 25, 2019, 03:27:57 PM
Quote from: mistercharlie on April 25, 2019, 10:02:44 AM
Quote from: rowjimmy on April 25, 2019, 08:37:23 AM
Quote from: mistercharlie on April 25, 2019, 07:29:33 AM
And now Joe Biden is in the race.

Good ol' Handsy Joe.

Well, if ol' Grab 'em by the pussy can get elected why not someone who's just a little handsy and kissy. Although I honestly still hold a grudge against him for not running in the last race.

See, that's the one thing I definitely don't have against the guy. His reasons for not running– mostly due to his mourning his son– are reasonable.
It's a damned shame, but I can't blame him.
Title: Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Poll (NOW WITH VOTE CHANGING!)
Post by: mehead on April 25, 2019, 03:37:15 PM
Quote from: mistercharlie on April 25, 2019, 10:02:44 AM
Quote from: rowjimmy on April 25, 2019, 08:37:23 AM
Quote from: mistercharlie on April 25, 2019, 07:29:33 AM
And now Joe Biden is in the race.

Good ol' Handsy Joe.

Well, if ol' Grab 'em by the pussy can get elected why not someone who's just a little handsy and kissy. Although I honestly still hold a grudge against him for not running in the last race.

Because he was still mourning his son's death?
Title: Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Poll (NOW WITH VOTE CHANGING!)
Post by: gah on April 25, 2019, 04:54:04 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on April 25, 2019, 03:27:57 PM
Quote from: mistercharlie on April 25, 2019, 10:02:44 AM
Quote from: rowjimmy on April 25, 2019, 08:37:23 AM
Quote from: mistercharlie on April 25, 2019, 07:29:33 AM
And now Joe Biden is in the race.

Good ol' Handsy Joe.

Well, if ol' Grab 'em by the pussy can get elected why not someone who's just a little handsy and kissy. Although I honestly still hold a grudge against him for not running in the last race.

See, that's the one thing I definitely don't have against the guy. His reasons for not running– mostly due to his mourning his son– are reasonable.
It's a damned shame, but I can't blame him.

I wish he had, but I understand why he didn't. And I don't blame him for not doing so either. BUT, I think that was his only chance. It's too late for him now, imo.

Also, I don't understand your pics t, are you saying he's plain like toast, and boring like vanilla ice cream?
Title: Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Poll (NOW WITH VOTE CHANGING!)
Post by: mistercharlie on April 25, 2019, 06:31:34 PM
Quote from: gah on April 25, 2019, 04:54:04 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on April 25, 2019, 03:27:57 PM
Quote from: mistercharlie on April 25, 2019, 10:02:44 AM
Quote from: rowjimmy on April 25, 2019, 08:37:23 AM
Quote from: mistercharlie on April 25, 2019, 07:29:33 AM
And now Joe Biden is in the race.

Good ol' Handsy Joe.

Well, if ol' Grab 'em by the pussy can get elected why not someone who's just a little handsy and kissy. Although I honestly still hold a grudge against him for not running in the last race.

See, that's the one thing I definitely don't have against the guy. His reasons for not running– mostly due to his mourning his son– are reasonable.
It's a damned shame, but I can't blame him.

I wish he had, but I understand why he didn't. And I don't blame him for not doing so either. BUT, I think that was his only chance. It's too late for him now, imo.


Ths sums up my feelings on it. I do understand why he didn't run, but I also think he was our olny chance of beating the Great Trumpkin in '16. Now that he's Mr. Handsy, he's not likely to win since the more rational voters won't vote for that. When he was the Incumbant Vice Prez he had a better chance of winning.
Title: Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Poll (NOW WITH VOTE CHANGING!)
Post by: mbw on April 28, 2019, 08:46:35 PM
Quote from: gah on April 25, 2019, 04:54:04 PM
Also, I don't understand your pics t, are you saying he's plain like toast, and boring like vanilla ice cream?

Yes.  Not sure what people are all excited about.  Anyone who went to college in the last 25 years can name drop a couple of Phish tunes.  He is also a big DMB fan.

Also, I can't change my vote.
Also, isn't Joe Biden and Turd Sandwich kinda redundant?
Title: Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Poll (NOW WITH VOTE CHANGING!)
Post by: gah on April 29, 2019, 10:33:30 AM
Quote from: mbw on April 28, 2019, 08:46:35 PM
Quote from: gah on April 25, 2019, 04:54:04 PM
Also, I don't understand your pics t, are you saying he's plain like toast, and boring like vanilla ice cream?

Yes.  Not sure what people are all excited about.  Anyone who went to college in the last 25 years can name drop a couple of Phish tunes.  He is also a big DMB fan.

Also, I can't change my vote.
Also, isn't Joe Biden and Turd Sandwich kinda redundant?

Yeah, I can't change my vote either. So now we have two malfunctioning voting booths. What is this Florida???
Title: Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Poll (NOW WITH VOTE CHANGING!)
Post by: mistercharlie on April 29, 2019, 11:43:09 AM
Quote from: gah on April 29, 2019, 10:33:30 AM
Quote from: mbw on April 28, 2019, 08:46:35 PM
Quote from: gah on April 25, 2019, 04:54:04 PM
Also, I don't understand your pics t, are you saying he's plain like toast, and boring like vanilla ice cream?

Yes.  Not sure what people are all excited about.  Anyone who went to college in the last 25 years can name drop a couple of Phish tunes.  He is also a big DMB fan.

Also, I can't change my vote.
Also, isn't Joe Biden and Turd Sandwich kinda redundant?

Yeah, I can't change my vote either. So now we have two malfunctioning voting booths. What is this Florida???

Hmm, neither can I. I can reset the votes to 0 thogh.
Title: Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Poll (NOW WITH VOTE CHANGING!)
Post by: mbw on April 29, 2019, 11:58:51 AM
Quote from: mistercharlie on April 29, 2019, 11:43:09 AM
Quote from: gah on April 29, 2019, 10:33:30 AM
Quote from: mbw on April 28, 2019, 08:46:35 PM
Quote from: gah on April 25, 2019, 04:54:04 PM
Also, I don't understand your pics t, are you saying he's plain like toast, and boring like vanilla ice cream?

Yes.  Not sure what people are all excited about.  Anyone who went to college in the last 25 years can name drop a couple of Phish tunes.  He is also a big DMB fan.

Also, I can't change my vote.
Also, isn't Joe Biden and Turd Sandwich kinda redundant?

Yeah, I can't change my vote either. So now we have two malfunctioning voting booths. What is this Florida???

Hmm, neither can I. I can reset the votes to 0 thogh.

thought you were so smart, didn't you.
Title: Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Poll (NOW WITH VOTE CHANGING!)
Post by: mistercharlie on April 29, 2019, 08:32:55 PM
Quote from: mbw on April 29, 2019, 11:58:51 AM
Quote from: mistercharlie on April 29, 2019, 11:43:09 AM
Quote from: gah on April 29, 2019, 10:33:30 AM
Quote from: mbw on April 28, 2019, 08:46:35 PM
Quote from: gah on April 25, 2019, 04:54:04 PM
Also, I don't understand your pics t, are you saying he's plain like toast, and boring like vanilla ice cream?

Yes.  Not sure what people are all excited about.  Anyone who went to college in the last 25 years can name drop a couple of Phish tunes.  He is also a big DMB fan.

Also, I can't change my vote.
Also, isn't Joe Biden and Turd Sandwich kinda redundant?

Yeah, I can't change my vote either. So now we have two malfunctioning voting booths. What is this Florida???

Hmm, neither can I. I can reset the votes to 0 thogh.

thought you were so smart, didn't you.

It's rigged, I tell 'ya! I know I checked the 'Change Vote' box, but then I guess that you did too.
Title: Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Poll (NOW WITH VOTE CHANGING!)
Post by: ytowndan on April 29, 2019, 08:48:35 PM
Quote from: mistercharlie on April 29, 2019, 08:32:55 PM
Quote from: mbw on April 29, 2019, 11:58:51 AM
Quote from: mistercharlie on April 29, 2019, 11:43:09 AM
Quote from: gah on April 29, 2019, 10:33:30 AM
Quote from: mbw on April 28, 2019, 08:46:35 PM
Quote from: gah on April 25, 2019, 04:54:04 PM
Also, I don't understand your pics t, are you saying he's plain like toast, and boring like vanilla ice cream?

Yes.  Not sure what people are all excited about.  Anyone who went to college in the last 25 years can name drop a couple of Phish tunes.  He is also a big DMB fan.

Also, I can't change my vote.
Also, isn't Joe Biden and Turd Sandwich kinda redundant?

Yeah, I can't change my vote either. So now we have two malfunctioning voting booths. What is this Florida???

Hmm, neither can I. I can reset the votes to 0 thogh.

thought you were so smart, didn't you.

It's rigged, I tell 'ya! I know I checked the 'Change Vote' box, but then I guess that you did too.

The "remove vote" option was there just the other day.  Definitely the Russians. 
Title: Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Poll (NOW WITH VOTE CHANGING!)
Post by: sls.stormyrider on April 30, 2019, 10:24:23 AM
nope
the immigrants
everyone knows the Dems recruit non citizens to vote all over the country. They must each vote 5 or 6 times
Title: Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Poll (NOW WITH VOTE CHANGING!)
Post by: rowjimmy on April 30, 2019, 02:51:31 PM
I turned on the remove vote option.
Title: Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Poll (NOW WITH VOTE CHANGING!)
Post by: gah on April 30, 2019, 03:48:37 PM
Quote from: rowjimmy on April 30, 2019, 02:51:31 PM
I turned on the remove vote option.

Thank you Mr. Mueller.
Title: Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Poll (NOW WITH VOTE CHANGING!)
Post by: mbw on September 18, 2019, 09:43:42 PM
If Biden gets the nom we are doomed.

https://youtu.be/fUot0opToLI
Title: Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Poll (NOW WITH VOTE CHANGING!)
Post by: GBL on October 31, 2019, 08:30:52 PM
I hope 'merica gets Yang'd
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Post by: mbw on November 02, 2019, 09:35:12 AM
Bye Beto!  Sorry about that false sense of popularity cause we wanted anyone to beat Cruz.  Whoops.
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Post by: PIE-GUY on November 04, 2019, 05:32:11 PM
Quote from: mbw on November 02, 2019, 09:35:12 AM
Bye Beto!  Sorry about that false sense of popularity cause we wanted anyone to beat Cruz.  Whoops.

I was all in for Beto for Senate - he would be a great senator. I was never really on board for Pres. At least not yet.
Title: Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Poll (NOW WITH VOTE CHANGING!)
Post by: ytowndan on January 15, 2020, 09:10:05 AM
Well, we're fucked.  One of them needed to drop out and endorse the other, else we get stuck with Joe.  That's clearly not going to happen now, and so our chances of beating Trump in the fall are much smaller now.   
Title: Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Poll (NOW WITH VOTE CHANGING!)
Post by: Hicks on January 15, 2020, 10:13:49 AM
Quote from: ytowndan on January 15, 2020, 09:10:05 AM
Well, we're fucked.  One of them needed to drop out and endorse the other, else we get stuck with Joe.  That's clearly not going to happen now, and so our chances of beating Trump in the fall are much smaller now.

You thought Warren and/or Bernie was going to drop out before the primaries even started? Yeah, don't think that was ever going to happen.

Anyway, it's the same old story of "it's the economy, stupid", if it remains strong it will be very tough to beat Trump. But a lot can happen in 10 months, who knows what goes down between now and then.
Title: Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Poll (NOW WITH VOTE CHANGING!)
Post by: ytowndan on January 15, 2020, 10:24:06 AM
Quote from: Hicks on January 15, 2020, 10:13:49 AM
Quote from: ytowndan on January 15, 2020, 09:10:05 AM
Well, we're fucked.  One of them needed to drop out and endorse the other, else we get stuck with Joe.  That's clearly not going to happen now, and so our chances of beating Trump in the fall are much smaller now.

You thought Warren and/or Bernie was going to drop out before the primaries even started? Yeah, don't think that was ever going to happen.

No, of course not.  I figured that would go without saying.  But at some point, probably after Super Tuesday, it will become clear that one is a drag on the other.
Title: Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Poll (NOW WITH VOTE CHANGING!)
Post by: mbw on January 15, 2020, 10:25:06 AM
a shame Warren has proven herself to be a liar over and over.
Title: Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Poll (NOW WITH VOTE CHANGING!)
Post by: mbw on January 15, 2020, 11:08:25 AM
CNN here to remind us that there is no clear leader in Iowa.
These fucking cable news networks are such a disgrace.


Title: Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Poll (NOW WITH VOTE CHANGING!)
Post by: VDB on January 15, 2020, 11:42:02 AM
Considering the margin of error, the headline is correct.
Title: Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Poll (NOW WITH VOTE CHANGING!)
Post by: mehead on January 15, 2020, 11:49:48 AM
Quote from: VDB on January 15, 2020, 11:42:02 AM
Considering the margin of error, the headline is correct.
Title: Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Poll (NOW WITH VOTE CHANGING!)
Post by: mbw on January 15, 2020, 12:12:16 PM
Quote from: mehead on January 15, 2020, 11:49:48 AM
Quote from: VDB on January 15, 2020, 11:42:02 AM
Considering the margin of error, the headline is correct.

well, at least they're not consistent.

Title: Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Poll (NOW WITH VOTE CHANGING!)
Post by: mbw on January 15, 2020, 12:14:03 PM
more fun from CNN
Title: Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Poll (NOW WITH VOTE CHANGING!)
Post by: VDB on January 15, 2020, 12:49:48 PM
It'd be nice if statistical literacy was more of a thing in journalism. And this nonsense is what we get from the horse-race nature of campaign reporting. And you're right—cable news sucks raw ass.
Title: Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Poll (NOW WITH VOTE CHANGING!)
Post by: mehead on January 15, 2020, 01:11:59 PM
Quote from: mbw on January 15, 2020, 12:12:16 PM
Quote from: mehead on January 15, 2020, 11:49:48 AM
Quote from: VDB on January 15, 2020, 11:42:02 AM
Considering the margin of error, the headline is correct.

well, at least they're not consistent.

Of course. This ones looks pretty old since they still have Harris up there.
Title: Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Poll (NOW WITH VOTE CHANGING!)
Post by: sls.stormyrider on January 16, 2020, 11:58:34 AM
Quote from: VDB on January 15, 2020, 12:49:48 PM
It'd be nice if statistical literacy was more of a thing in journalism. And this nonsense is what we get from the horse-race nature of campaign reporting. And you're right—cable news sucks raw ass.
the undecideds can change everything
and polls don't mean much (remember 2016)

personally, I wish the news networks would stick to the issues instead of talking so much about polls and fund raising, but that would be more difficult. The candidates would have to stick to the issues too, of course.

election journalism sucks
Title: Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Poll (NOW WITH VOTE CHANGING!)
Post by: mbw on January 21, 2020, 02:19:39 PM
"Other" appears to be winning.  :hereitisyousentimentalbastard
Title: Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Poll (NOW WITH VOTE CHANGING!)
Post by: GBL on January 28, 2020, 06:53:27 AM
To be completely honest, I am seriously considering voting for Other in 2020.

When have they ever really lied to us?  Or not followed through on their promises?
Title: Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Poll (NOW WITH VOTE CHANGING!)
Post by: Hicks on January 28, 2020, 09:34:56 AM
I'm kinda warming up to Yang?
Title: Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Poll (NOW WITH VOTE CHANGING!)
Post by: emay on January 28, 2020, 12:10:59 PM
Quote from: Hicks on January 28, 2020, 09:34:56 AM
I'm kinda warming up to Yang?


yang gang!
Title: Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Poll (NOW WITH VOTE CHANGING!)
Post by: GBL on January 28, 2020, 07:06:36 PM
Quote from: GBL on October 31, 2019, 08:30:52 PM
I hope 'merica gets Yang'd

#maya
Title: Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Poll (NOW WITH VOTE CHANGING!)
Post by: emay on January 29, 2020, 10:35:40 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=share&v=kvF5rddNfKE (https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=share&v=kvF5rddNfKE)
Title: Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Poll (NOW WITH VOTE CHANGING!)
Post by: mbw on February 03, 2020, 09:37:28 PM
Not sure "Math" is a winning campaign slogan.
Title: Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Poll (NOW WITH VOTE CHANGING!)
Post by: Hicks on February 03, 2020, 10:25:31 PM
Quote from: mbw on February 03, 2020, 09:37:28 PM
Not sure "Math" is a winning campaign slogan.

Math is hard?
Title: Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Poll (NOW WITH VOTE CHANGING!)
Post by: mbw on February 03, 2020, 10:51:20 PM
Quote from: Hicks on February 03, 2020, 10:25:31 PM
Quote from: mbw on February 03, 2020, 09:37:28 PM
Not sure "Math" is a winning campaign slogan.

Math is hard?

See, I can get on board with that one.
Title: Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Poll (NOW WITH VOTE CHANGING!)
Post by: mehead on February 04, 2020, 08:26:10 AM
How's that Iowa Caucus thing working out? What an embarrassing shit show.
Title: Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Poll (NOW WITH VOTE CHANGING!)
Post by: ytowndan on February 04, 2020, 08:35:28 AM
At least someone is finally talking about the need for a UBI.  I've been harping on about that for years.  If his campaign could do for that what Bernie '16 did for mediacre for all, that would be a win. 
Title: Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Poll (NOW WITH VOTE CHANGING!)
Post by: mbw on February 04, 2020, 09:02:52 AM
I'm all about Yang 2028 (or possibly 2024)
Title: Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Poll (NOW WITH VOTE CHANGING!)
Post by: sls.stormyrider on February 05, 2020, 05:59:59 PM
Many years ago I commented that the Dems are inept and the Republicans are scary.

Unfortunately nothing has changed.
Title: Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Poll (NOW WITH VOTE CHANGING!)
Post by: mbw on February 11, 2020, 08:07:27 PM
Yang is out.
Title: Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Poll (NOW WITH VOTE CHANGING!)
Post by: tet on February 12, 2020, 10:30:02 PM
Quote from: mbw on February 11, 2020, 08:07:27 PM
Yang is out.
I was told there would be no MATH
Title: Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Poll (NOW WITH VOTE CHANGING!)
Post by: kellerb on February 13, 2020, 11:03:26 AM
Quote from: mbw on February 11, 2020, 08:07:27 PM
Yang is out.

Biden:  "I did WHAT at the debate?!"
Title: Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Poll (NOW WITH VOTE CHANGING!)
Post by: mbw on February 25, 2020, 07:20:27 PM
Still lots of time to change those embarrassing Pete votes!

https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1232093748785549312?s=20
Title: Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Poll (NOW WITH VOTE CHANGING!)
Post by: ytowndan on February 25, 2020, 09:18:36 PM
Quote from: mbw on February 25, 2020, 07:20:27 PM
Still lots of time to change those embarrassing Pete votes!

https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1232093748785549312?s=20

Good lord.  My fascination with him ended pretty quickly.

As for the poll: Sanders/Gabbard, I suppose.  Was she even in the last debate?  I'd be cool with that ticket, but I think Bernie (or whoever gets the nomination) will pick Abrams.  She seems to be a lock for VP.
Title: Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Poll (NOW WITH VOTE CHANGING!)
Post by: Superfreakie on February 25, 2020, 10:18:48 PM
Quote from: kellerb on February 13, 2020, 11:03:26 AM
Quote from: mbw on February 11, 2020, 08:07:27 PM
Yang is out.

Biden:  "I did WHAT at the debate?!"

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Poll (NOW WITH VOTE CHANGING!)
Post by: VDB on February 26, 2020, 11:40:50 AM
Of all the wild and unrealistic promises and flagrant misrepresentations of presidential authority that we're getting from candidates this campaign season, the one currently sticking deepest in my craw is Bernie's false claim that by descheduling weed it would "effectively legalize marijuana in every state in the country." It's a reckless promise. What makes him say this?
Title: Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Poll (NOW WITH VOTE CHANGING!)
Post by: mehead on February 26, 2020, 12:21:54 PM
Quote from: VDB on February 26, 2020, 11:40:50 AM
Of all the wild and unrealistic promises and flagrant misrepresentations of presidential authority that we're getting from candidates this campaign season, the one currently sticking deepest in my craw is Bernie's false claim that by descheduling weed it would "effectively legalize marijuana in every state in the country." It's a reckless promise. What makes him say this?

Because Bernie is gonna be Bernie and I think his base will slurp this up. And he said this will take place on day one of his presidency.
Title: Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Poll (NOW WITH VOTE CHANGING!)
Post by: ytowndan on February 26, 2020, 10:47:46 PM
https://youtu.be/Zjj7VJpqy1w
Title: Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Poll (NOW WITH VOTE CHANGING!)
Post by: Buffalo Budd on February 27, 2020, 08:17:05 AM
Wow, that is an F'd up system.  :shakehead:
Title: Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Poll (NOW WITH VOTE CHANGING!)
Post by: VDB on February 27, 2020, 10:48:45 AM
Quote from: mehead on February 26, 2020, 12:21:54 PM
Quote from: VDB on February 26, 2020, 11:40:50 AM
Of all the wild and unrealistic promises and flagrant misrepresentations of presidential authority that we're getting from candidates this campaign season, the one currently sticking deepest in my craw is Bernie's false claim that by descheduling weed it would "effectively legalize marijuana in every state in the country." It's a reckless promise. What makes him say this?

Because Bernie is gonna be Bernie and I think his base will slurp this up. And he said this will take place on day one of his presidency.

Either he knows better or he doesn't. Either way that's a problem.
Title: Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Poll (NOW WITH VOTE CHANGING!)
Post by: tet on February 27, 2020, 02:39:30 PM
I'm voting blue no matter what, but I'm just not getting the Pete hate here.  I've liked the guy since I first saw a clip of him a year ago, before he even announced he was running.  I know some of it on Twitter is Russian bots and some fringe Bernie Bros just stirring shit up, but I presume most of you are not kompromat...

So, serious question - why is he being vilified? The guy would be a pretty damn refreshing change to Agent Orange.  He's young, smart, and pretty damn articulate (in ~8 languages).  If Trump even bothers to show up to a debate with him, Pete will destroy him - he doesn't take the bait and keeps his cool better than anyone since Obama, IMO.  He has very liberal ideologies - maybe not as extreme as Bernie or Liz, but I think his shit could actually get passed BECAUSE he will bring a bunch of blue reps/sens with him to the ballot box, which I think Bernie will struggle with (Liz not as much).  Are they perfect plans?  No, nobody's is, and like I said, I will vote for any one of them who is on that ticket in November. 

Also, this 'in the pocket of billionaires and PACs' accusation simply isn't true.  Not a single one of them has donated more than you and I are allowed to donate, which is $2,800.  So, it just makes no sense to me that he's getting this label which is blatantly false, and which would only further help Trump & Co. against any potential nominee. 

We need unity, not division, and I don't see this primary season getting any prettier...  Maybe we'll have some clarity after Super Tuesday, but this may get a whole lot worse before it gets better. 
Title: Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Poll (NOW WITH VOTE CHANGING!)
Post by: emay on February 27, 2020, 04:21:40 PM
Friend made these
Title: Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Poll (NOW WITH VOTE CHANGING!)
Post by: sls.stormyrider on February 27, 2020, 05:20:51 PM
Quote from: tet on February 27, 2020, 02:39:30 PM
I'm voting blue no matter what, but I'm just not getting the Pete hate here.  I've liked the guy since I first saw a clip of him a year ago, before he even announced he was running.  I know some of it on Twitter is Russian bots and some fringe Bernie Bros just stirring shit up, but I presume most of you are not kompromat...

So, serious question - why is he being vilified? The guy would be a pretty damn refreshing change to Agent Orange.  He's young, smart, and pretty damn articulate (in ~8 languages).  If Trump even bothers to show up to a debate with him, Pete will destroy him - he doesn't take the bait and keeps his cool better than anyone since Obama, IMO.  He has very liberal ideologies - maybe not as extreme as Bernie or Liz, but I think his shit could actually get passed BECAUSE he will bring a bunch of blue reps/sens with him to the ballot box, which I think Bernie will struggle with (Liz not as much).  Are they perfect plans?  No, nobody's is, and like I said, I will vote for any one of them who is on that ticket in November. 

Also, this 'in the pocket of billionaires and PACs' accusation simply isn't true.  Not a single one of them has donated more than you and I are allowed to donate, which is $2,800.  So, it just makes no sense to me that he's getting this label which is blatantly false, and which would only further help Trump & Co. against any potential nominee. 

We need unity, not division, and I don't see this primary season getting any prettier...  Maybe we'll have some clarity after Super Tuesday, but this may get a whole lot worse before it gets better.

I'm with you. More than likely, I'll vote for either Mayor Pete or Amy next Tuesday

for the record, if the Dems nominated my next door neighbors dog, I would vote for him over Trump
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Post by: VDB on February 28, 2020, 01:33:33 PM
I can't speak for others, but what doesn't rub me right about Pete is similar to what I hate about most politicians: the phoniness masquerading as authenticity. I have no doubt that Pete's a nice guy who genuinely cares about things, but his presentation is so typical. Actually, that it's a particularly polished version of it makes it worse. Notice how he always has the perfect thing to say, always the perfect position to stake out. How he unveiled his "Frederick Douglas Plan" because black people don't like him. How he imitates Obama's talking. I watch Pete and I see a very finely honed political product, kind of smarmy, very ambitious.
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Post by: PIE-GUY on February 28, 2020, 02:13:04 PM
Quote from: VDB on February 28, 2020, 01:33:33 PM
I can't speak for others, but what doesn't rub me right about Pete is similar to what I hate about most politicians: the phoniness masquerading as authenticity. I have no doubt that Pete's a nice guy who genuinely cares about things, but his presentation is so typical. Actually, that it's a particularly polished version of it makes it worse. Notice how he always has the perfect thing to say, always the perfect position to stake out. How he unveiled his "Frederick Douglas Plan" because black people don't like him. How he imitates Obama's talking. I watch Pete and I see a very finely honed political product, kind of smarmy, very ambitious.

I don't agree with this assessment at all. I really like Pete. I like that he's incredibly smart, a vet, an Episcopalian, etc. and I don't find him "smarmy" at all. I think he's genuine and carries himself like a natural "statesman."

That said, I think he is too young and inexperienced to be president. I think his positions on many of the issues I care about are too incremental and centrist.

Bottom line, I voted for Bernie in the Texas primary, but I really like Pete. I do... and all you young'ns who have these problems with him need to get over yourselves. He's one of the brightest rising stars the Democrats have in their arsenal. He's gonna be important for decades to come. I really wish he'd run for Senate!! Same with Beto. I wish he'd run for Senate again and again until he wins a Texas Senate seat!!!
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Post by: ytowndan on February 28, 2020, 03:46:08 PM
Quote from: VDB on February 28, 2020, 01:33:33 PM
I can't speak for others, but what doesn't rub me right about Pete is similar to what I hate about most politicians: the phoniness masquerading as authenticity. I have no doubt that Pete's a nice guy who genuinely cares about things, but his presentation is so typical. Actually, that it's a particularly polished version of it makes it worse. Notice how he always has the perfect thing to say, always the perfect position to stake out. How he unveiled his "Frederick Douglas Plan" because black people don't like him. How he imitates Obama's talking. I watch Pete and I see a very finely honed political product, kind of smarmy, very ambitious.

I don't find him "smarmy" but I get what you're saying and agree with some of it.  He definitely comes off as a phony.  Like someone who's imitating a natural politician (Obama for example).  And he has like zero experience.  Yes, he's more qualified than Trump, but that's not good enough IMO.  He's certainly qualified to run for Congress.  He could have ran for the House for sure, and after this he's even got a good chance for a seat in the Senate or Governor.  I don't know enough about Indiana politics, but it's not impossible for a Democrat to win either of those, right?

His stilted performance, I think, is probably just from inexperience, though, and not because of some lack of character.  He'll fine tune it with a few years under his belt and I'm sure he'll do quite well.  I can honestly see him as President someday, and I'm sure he would accomplish some good.  And I do think he's crazy smart and we need more genuine intellectuals in office.  But he's going to have to come around on the issues to ever earn my primary vote.  I don't need a full-blown leftist, but I can't bring myself to vote for a neoliberal when there's a progressive in the race.  The general election, obviously, is a different story.  Anyone with a pulse and a D gets my vote in November. 
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Post by: pcr3 on February 28, 2020, 04:27:10 PM
Quote from: ytowndan on February 28, 2020, 03:46:08 PM
Quote from: VDB on February 28, 2020, 01:33:33 PM
I can't speak for others, but what doesn't rub me right about Pete is similar to what I hate about most politicians: the phoniness masquerading as authenticity. I have no doubt that Pete's a nice guy who genuinely cares about things, but his presentation is so typical. Actually, that it's a particularly polished version of it makes it worse. Notice how he always has the perfect thing to say, always the perfect position to stake out. How he unveiled his "Frederick Douglas Plan" because black people don't like him. How he imitates Obama's talking. I watch Pete and I see a very finely honed political product, kind of smarmy, very ambitious.

I don't find him "smarmy" but I get what you're saying and agree with some of it.  He definitely comes off as a phony.  Like someone who's imitating a natural politician (Obama for example).  And he has like zero experience.  Yes, he's more qualified than Trump, but that's not good enough IMO.  He's certainly qualified to run for Congress.  He could have ran for the House for sure, and after this he's even got a good chance for a seat in the Senate or Governor.  I don't know enough about Indiana politics, but it's not impossible for a Democrat to win either of those, right?

His stilted performance, I think, is probably just from inexperience, though, and not because of some lack of character.  He'll fine tune it with a few years under his belt and I'm sure he'll do quite well.  I can honestly see him as President someday, and I'm sure he would accomplish some good.  And I do think he's crazy smart and we need more genuine intellectuals in office.  But he's going to have to come around on the issues to ever earn my primary vote.  I don't need a full-blown leftist, but I can't bring myself to vote for a neoliberal when there's a progressive in the race.  The general election, obviously, is a different story.  Anyone with a pulse and a D gets my vote in November.

I agree with all of the above, except for the phony part.  I don't get that vibe from him, but perhaps I'm naive.  Either way, I really hope that the field narrows soon, as I don't want the DNC to be a shitshow that leads to another 4 years of fascist government.  The Democrats need to rally around a candidate and soon.
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Post by: mbw on February 29, 2020, 08:40:43 AM
From over a decade ago.  Reminds me of someone...

https://twitter.com/robwhisman/status/1232724803498340352?s=09
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Post by: VDB on February 29, 2020, 12:54:20 PM
Quote from: PIE-GUY on February 28, 2020, 02:13:04 PM
I think he's genuine and carries himself like a natural "statesman."

I would submit that our perception of a what a natural statesman looks/acts like has been colored by many years of watching politicians perform the role of statesman. I fully agree that Pete looks and acts his part well.

Bernie may tend to stay vigorously, perhaps tediously, on-message, but at least I get a sort of unfiltered authenticity out of him. That's something that a lot of people find appealing about Trump as well.
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Post by: VA $l!m on February 29, 2020, 04:58:12 PM
not a big fan of pete, but he's not like the worst either.

I've always loved Warren, but Bernie is just as fine with me.

ofc theres a huge difference in which candidate i prefer and which i think is most electable.
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Post by: mbw on March 01, 2020, 06:27:39 PM
Quote from: kellerb on February 13, 2020, 11:03:26 AM
Quote from: mbw on February 11, 2020, 08:07:27 PM
Yang is out.

Biden:  "I did WHAT at the debate?!"

Peter's out.
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Post by: WhatstheUse? on March 01, 2020, 07:05:41 PM
Quote from: mbw on March 01, 2020, 06:27:39 PM
Quote from: kellerb on February 13, 2020, 11:03:26 AM
Quote from: mbw on February 11, 2020, 08:07:27 PM
Yang is out.

Biden:  "I did WHAT at the debate?!"

Peter's out.

There was no chance of him dying of old age in office, which is a requirement these days.
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Post by: ytowndan on March 01, 2020, 07:24:39 PM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on March 01, 2020, 07:05:41 PM
Quote from: mbw on March 01, 2020, 06:27:39 PM
Quote from: kellerb on February 13, 2020, 11:03:26 AM
Quote from: mbw on February 11, 2020, 08:07:27 PM
Yang is out.

Biden:  "I did WHAT at the debate?!"

Peter's out.

There was no chance of him dying of old age in office, which is a requirement these days.

Youngest male candidate now, 77.
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Post by: kellerb on March 01, 2020, 07:29:21 PM
Quote from: mbw on March 01, 2020, 06:27:39 PM
Quote from: kellerb on February 13, 2020, 11:03:26 AM
Quote from: mbw on February 11, 2020, 08:07:27 PM
Yang is out.

Biden:  "I did WHAT at the debate?!"

Peter's out.

Biden:  "I did it AGAIN?"
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Post by: WhatstheUse? on March 01, 2020, 07:37:09 PM
Quote from: ytowndan on March 01, 2020, 07:24:39 PM
Quote from: WhatstheUse? on March 01, 2020, 07:05:41 PM
Quote from: mbw on March 01, 2020, 06:27:39 PM
Quote from: kellerb on February 13, 2020, 11:03:26 AM
Quote from: mbw on February 11, 2020, 08:07:27 PM
Yang is out.

Biden:  "I did WHAT at the debate?!"

Peter's out.

There was no chance of him dying of old age in office, which is a requirement these days.

Youngest male candidate now, 77.

That is crazy to me.

I'm all for Bernie and I dig what Warren has to say as well..... But damn. I feel stress taking a toll on my 32 year old body just from my tiny, daily stresses. I can't imagine the toll stress takes on these old guys....
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Post by: mbw on March 01, 2020, 10:09:44 PM
Bernie and Public Enemy right now.
Well, most of PE.

https://youtu.be/Tz48E8hzUX4
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Post by: tet on March 01, 2020, 11:09:35 PM
a bit heartbroken about Pete but I get it.  hoping that Amy backs out, and Liz can mount an epic comeback, because I think she's our best shot.  Liz would make a great veep too, but i think only Biden would pick her, not Bernie... 
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Post by: mbw on March 01, 2020, 11:43:50 PM
Quote from: tet on March 01, 2020, 11:09:35 PM
a bit heartbroken about Pete but I get it.  hoping that Amy backs out, and Liz can mount an epic comeback, because I think she's our best shot.  Liz would make a great veep too, but i think only Biden would pick her, not Bernie...

Or you could, like, get behind Bernie, the front runner.
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Post by: Hicks on March 02, 2020, 01:56:50 AM
Breaking News: Guy named Buttgig realizes guys named Buttgig aren't gonna be President. 
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Post by: sls.stormyrider on March 02, 2020, 10:04:36 AM
80 is the new 40
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Post by: mehead on March 02, 2020, 10:11:37 AM
Quote from: sls.stormyrider on March 02, 2020, 10:04:36 AM
80 is the new 40

35 if you've had a recent heart attack
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Post by: tet on March 02, 2020, 11:02:47 AM
Quote from: mbw on March 01, 2020, 11:43:50 PM
Quote from: tet on March 01, 2020, 11:09:35 PM
a bit heartbroken about Pete but I get it.  hoping that Amy backs out, and Liz can mount an epic comeback, because I think she's our best shot.  Liz would make a great veep too, but i think only Biden would pick her, not Bernie...

Or you could, like, get behind Bernie, the front runner.

I felt the Bern in 2016, but it's a bit early for me to decide where I stand about 15 hours after my guy dropped out.  If I went with frontrunners, I'd be running a Taylor Swift website.  I don't vote until June anyway, and things will be pretty much wrapped up by then (ha!)
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Post by: mbw on March 02, 2020, 11:37:32 AM
Quote from: tet on March 02, 2020, 11:02:47 AM
Quote from: mbw on March 01, 2020, 11:43:50 PM
Quote from: tet on March 01, 2020, 11:09:35 PM
a bit heartbroken about Pete but I get it.  hoping that Amy backs out, and Liz can mount an epic comeback, because I think she's our best shot.  Liz would make a great veep too, but i think only Biden would pick her, not Bernie...

Or you could, like, get behind Bernie, the front runner.

I felt the Bern in 2016, but it's a bit early for me to decide where I stand about 15 hours after my guy dropped out.  If I went with frontrunners, I'd be running a Taylor Swift website.  I don't vote until June anyway, and things will be pretty much wrapped up by then (ha!)

we know you run swifties.net
its cool.
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Post by: tet on March 02, 2020, 02:15:49 PM
well, Amy's out too.  not a surprise there, just wondering why she waited until today to do it. 

Liz has been my #2 for a while but I just don't think she has too viable of a path at this point.  I love everything Bernie stands for, I just don't see him keeping his cool in a debate with Trump.  but then again, keeping cool wasn't Trump's thing either, and look what he did... 

looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue...
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Post by: kellerb on March 02, 2020, 02:31:01 PM
Biden:  "I told her I wanted to take a look at her Klobuchar? She's not even my type of broad!"
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Post by: mbw on March 02, 2020, 07:22:31 PM
Quote from: tet on March 02, 2020, 02:15:49 PM
well, Amy's out too.  not a surprise there, just wondering why she waited until today to do it. 

Liz has been my #2 for a while but I just don't think she has too viable of a path at this point.  I love everything Bernie stands for, I just don't see him keeping his cool in a debate with Trump.  but then again, keeping cool wasn't Trump's thing either, and look what he did... 

looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue...

I am 100% certain that Biden would try to physically fight Trump at a debate.
He has pretty much said it.  It would be a total embarrassment to put him on stage with Trump.
Trump would kick his ass, too.
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Post by: sls.stormyrider on March 03, 2020, 07:17:16 AM
For some reason, I don't think the debates will change many people's mind this year

It's all about the tweets
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Post by: VDB on March 03, 2020, 12:23:57 PM
There's potentially high risk / high reward on the debate stage. With Trump there are no gloves; Hillary wore gloves. Sanders and Biden both have moments where they are able to channel genuine, prevailing antipathy toward Trump and I look forward to seeing that aired in a manner that doesn't pretend Trump's office's dignity a) shields him from it or b) exists. Sanders is more articulate than Biden, and I see him perhaps standing up better to Trump's rhetoric in real time. But he also needs to not come across as an alienating old crank. Biden's anger will have more of an everyman flavor to it, but if he gets put on his heels it could get ugly.
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Post by: mbw on March 03, 2020, 12:27:50 PM
Quote from: VDB on February 27, 2020, 10:48:45 AM
Quote from: mehead on February 26, 2020, 12:21:54 PM
Quote from: VDB on February 26, 2020, 11:40:50 AM
Of all the wild and unrealistic promises and flagrant misrepresentations of presidential authority that we're getting from candidates this campaign season, the one currently sticking deepest in my craw is Bernie's false claim that by descheduling weed it would "effectively legalize marijuana in every state in the country." It's a reckless promise. What makes him say this?

Because Bernie is gonna be Bernie and I think his base will slurp this up. And he said this will take place on day one of his presidency.

Either he knows better or he doesn't. Either way that's a problem.

Can you explain this?  I heard him say the other night that he "recently found out that" descheduling would legalize in every state.
What is wrong with that premise?  I genuinely don't know, and I like to think Bernie knows what he is talking about when it comes to the law.
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Post by: VDB on March 03, 2020, 12:52:47 PM
Quote from: mbw on March 03, 2020, 12:27:50 PM
Quote from: VDB on February 27, 2020, 10:48:45 AM
Quote from: mehead on February 26, 2020, 12:21:54 PM
Quote from: VDB on February 26, 2020, 11:40:50 AM
Of all the wild and unrealistic promises and flagrant misrepresentations of presidential authority that we're getting from candidates this campaign season, the one currently sticking deepest in my craw is Bernie's false claim that by descheduling weed it would "effectively legalize marijuana in every state in the country." It's a reckless promise. What makes him say this?

Because Bernie is gonna be Bernie and I think his base will slurp this up. And he said this will take place on day one of his presidency.

Either he knows better or he doesn't. Either way that's a problem.

Can you explain this?  I heard him say the other night that he "recently found out that" descheduling would legalize in every state.
What is wrong with that premise?  I genuinely don't know, and I like to think Bernie knows what he is talking about when it comes to the law.

There's federal drug scheduling and then there are state drug laws, which are the ones people get charged with then they get arrested for dope. Presidents don't have the power to unilaterally change state laws. (Thank god.)

Now, I'm all in favor of descheduling weed and it could well pave the way for legalization in some places. It needs to happen, like, yesterday. But I think it's irresponsible for presidential candidates to promise people things they can't deliver, and (in this and other arguments) to advance misconceptions about how much power a president actually has.

This article (https://www.marijuanamoment.net/could-bernie-sanders-actually-legalize-marijuana-nationwide-on-day-one-as-president/) gets into some of the complexities on the weed thing.
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Post by: mbw on March 03, 2020, 05:02:24 PM
So there are laws are specific to cannabis, and not to their schedule?
I think I get it.

Anyway, here's Fish.
https://youtu.be/Exh6qgIoeG4
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Post by: mbw on March 05, 2020, 02:27:52 PM
https://twitter.com/hahahamna/status/1235273168455192583?s=20
Title: Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Poll (NOW WITH VOTE CHANGING!)
Post by: GBL on March 05, 2020, 06:58:22 PM
Quote from: VDB on March 03, 2020, 12:52:47 PM
Quote from: mbw on March 03, 2020, 12:27:50 PM
Quote from: VDB on February 27, 2020, 10:48:45 AM
Quote from: mehead on February 26, 2020, 12:21:54 PM
Quote from: VDB on February 26, 2020, 11:40:50 AM
Of all the wild and unrealistic promises and flagrant misrepresentations of presidential authority that we're getting from candidates this campaign season, the one currently sticking deepest in my craw is Bernie's false claim that by descheduling weed it would "effectively legalize marijuana in every state in the country." It's a reckless promise. What makes him say this?

Because Bernie is gonna be Bernie and I think his base will slurp this up. And he said this will take place on day one of his presidency.

Either he knows better or he doesn't. Either way that's a problem.

Can you explain this?  I heard him say the other night that he "recently found out that" descheduling would legalize in every state.
What is wrong with that premise?  I genuinely don't know, and I like to think Bernie knows what he is talking about when it comes to the law.

There's federal drug scheduling and then there are state drug laws, which are the ones people get charged with then they get arrested for dope. Presidents don't have the power to unilaterally change state laws. (Thank god.)

Now, I'm all in favor of descheduling weed and it could well pave the way for legalization in some places. It needs to happen, like, yesterday. But I think it's irresponsible for presidential candidates to promise people things they can't deliver, and (in this and other arguments) to advance misconceptions about how much power a president actually has.

This article (https://www.marijuanamoment.net/could-bernie-sanders-actually-legalize-marijuana-nationwide-on-day-one-as-president/) gets into some of the complexities on the weed thing.

Which is what every politician does, and why a lot of people are feeling the bern.

"Medicare for all!"

and who's gonna pay for it?

"Mexico!"
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Post by: tet on March 06, 2020, 08:03:37 AM
Make America Believe Again?
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Post by: mbw on May 29, 2020, 10:04:11 PM
Reminder that some of you were going to vote for this walking, talking meaningless platitude.