08/15 - Long Beach Arena - Long Beach, CA -Post Show Discussion and Review

[mehead]

This guy's video on this show is pretty great.

"Sober Trey dude, makes the difference."

kinda reminds me of.....

[aphineday]

This guy's video on this show is pretty great.

"Sober Trey dude, makes the difference."

Holy shit, I had no idea Gerard Depardieu was from Los Angeles, I thought he was French. Weird.
I wonder if he's paid by the number of times he can use the words "dude" or "man". If he is, I bet he's a rich mother fucker.
In closing, he claims to be sober. I very highly doubt that, but if this is sober, it's not working for him. Time to chop some lines, dude.

[Itsnotanexperience]

no doubt.    nice flow to the show.    good song choices.   pretty good execution in guelah and rift.    i could live with this band if they keep working on flow and letting some jams develop.   

but let's face it, trey was showing off for bieber and posse.

and somewhere during this leg, TTE will return and set us back 100 shows.

[Itsnotanexperience]

the crazyass space noise was the hightlight of the show.

[barnesy305]

This guy's video on this show is pretty great.

"Sober Trey dude, makes the difference."

Holy shit, I had no idea Gerard Depardieu was from Los Angeles, I thought he was French. Weird.
I wonder if he's paid by the number of times he can use the words "dude" or "man". If he is, I bet he's a rich mother fucker.
In closing, he claims to be sober. I very highly doubt that, but if this is sober, it's not working for him. Time to chop some lines, dude.

Haha no shit. " This is my second show....in 15 years.... well, I saw them here last year, so it's really my second show in a year....I think it was last year..."

[McGrupp]

This guy's video on this show is pretty great.

proving that you don't have to be spun, to be a spunion.

[mehead]

listening to KDF - what a f'n mess   :shakehead:

[cactusfan]

i actually attended this show! i know, look at me.

so yeah, first set was a warm up. i enjoyed Guelah and Cool It Down and the rock peak Quinn was a nice enough end to it. but not really anything to write home about in this set.

and then set II. hell yeah. coming out with 40 minutes of R&R and Ghost? i'll take it. will need to listen again, of course, but live it was a pleasure to actually experience jamming. thought the rest of the set was very well played with great energy. especially the Limb. and i liked the Hood jam doing something slightly different.

and they soundchecked Spock's Brain, did they? excellent. i fully expect to hear it in SF this weekend. for which shows i'm very psyched.

[PIE-GUY]

proving that you don't have to be spun, to be a spunion.

I resemble that remark.

[mbw]

Illusion actually sounds level headed compared to most southern Californians.

[Gumbo72203]

Phan, props to the review of the Rock and Roll.  Love reading your shit, but I eminently disagree with a sizeable chunk. 

From like, 15:00 16:30 Trey is working a great melodic, chord-progession-based pattern.  He's basically playing the 6/3/11 Disease jam.  at 16:30 he comes in with a new theme that him and Page work on really well up through 17:30. 

I think the trick to Phish's jamming now is that they DON'T build themes.  They build INTERACTION.  Like, this jam is a huge picture of how well Trey and Page listen, or CAN listen.  I mean, Fish and Mike are being kind of ignored in a way but, Trey and Page are playing tag this entire jam.  That, and Trey's wah-delay shit was FUCKING COOL when Fish was playing to it.  Trey has never done that, combining wah and delay like that.  Literally, that is COMPLETELY new. 

But anyway, its weird, because like... CK5 is doing shit the entire time, when he SHOULDN'T.  There was nothing happening, musical-structurally-speaking.  And I think, in a way, Phish takes this as "Okay, we aren't the focus anymore.  We aren't in charge of being the creator of X 'form' or concept."

As in, they aren't the NOW-element that is forging order and structure out of the nothing-ness of the blank slate, if that makes sense.  Whereas, before, it was THEM who needed to make form and structure out of the musical potentiality for CK5 to latch onto and then interpret and create a pattern. 

Phish aren't a dancing band anymore.  They are a performance/spectacle band now.  The basic, underlying concept behind the Phish musical experience is NO LONGER the idea that they are the provider of a string of seamless groove story for the audience to dance their way through.  Rather, they provide a thing to watch and look at.  At least thats the way I see things now. 

Because fucking watch this: 



Like...  okay.  SO, what happened?  Phish fucking played amazing music, and CK5 did like... NOTHING.  It was left up to the musicians to be the creator of whatever new form/format/structure/concept/arrangement.  And this allowed him to smooooothly follow Phish as they slunk into the post-Jim Page-chill section at 2:30 and then slowwwwly move the lights out over the crowd at 3:20 at Trey steps up and Fish swings the beat.  Something like that could never happen today, light-and-music-wise.

And then when Fish does his fucking cool beat-change thing like in the Cypress After Midnight Jam at 4:25 and the band slides into I Am Hydrogen for a minute, CK5 smooothly does a little pattern transition and then finds a new light perspective.  He gave the music freedom to mutate and worm its way into new things, and followed them.

Nowadays, CK5, bless him, is all like "DUDE FUCKING THIS THAT AND ALL THIS SHIT TOO AND FUCK LOOK AT THIS CHASE PATTERN I PLAY OVER THE DIVIDED SKY INTRO AND OMG BALLS PEAKS EVERYWHERE WITH STROBE LIGHTS DURING VELVET SEA AND FARMHOUSE."




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[rowjimmy]

Phish aren't a dancing band anymore.

The Illusion disagrees.

[gah]

I'm just glad there's a Gumbo disclaimer now.

[PIE-GUY]

Phish aren't a dancing band anymore.

The Illusion disagrees.

I disagree... There was one point in all three SPAC shows when I did not dance and that was during KUNG. Phish are definitely still a dance band. I didn't notice a damn thing CK5 was doing...

[VDB]

I'm just glad there's a Gumbo disclaimer now.

That should probably get moved down to his sig.