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As awards season heats up, I want to remind you not to take things so seriously. No matter what wins Best Picture, all the other nominees, and even the snubbed favorites, continue to exist. You'll always be able to enjoy whatever movies you liked. In fact, years from now people might laugh at the Best Picture winner. I looked back over Oscar's history and picked out some of the more dubious winners, certainly movies that wouldn't be on any "Best of Anything" lists today.
10) Ordinary People
Robert Redford has directed some great movies. Besides his other nominated films like Quiz Show, I also like The Horse Whisperer. Maybe we have this Best Picture winner to thank for giving him the confidence to keep stepping behind the camera, but it couldn't have been for its own merits. I mean, a family death drama is so obvious. In the year of Raging Bull, The Elephant Man and the unnominated The Empire Strikes Back, we say no. Even though Donald Sutherland always rules.
9) Shakespeare In Love
I always thought this just got the generic costume drama award. It's cute, and a tiny bit literate (though it's not that highbrow to make Romeo and Juliet references), but it's still just your standard romance. If you still have fond memories of it, just remember that it beat Saving Private Ryan and Life is Beautiful, and that Joseph Fiennes is now on a failing TV show.
8. Around The World In 80 Days
This movie makes everyone's list of the worst Best Picture winners, so it would be irresponsible to leave it off mine. The overlong three hour Jules Verne adaptation seems an unusual choice at all. Guess it's the costumes and the literary cred. I actually like the Jackie Chan version that came out in 2004. Sammo Hung as Wong Fei-Hung and a fight on the Statue of Liberty's head, that's some good stuff.
7) How Green Was My Valley
In 1941, this sprawling coal miner epic must have seemed like solid Oscar bait. Back then, they might have thought that competing nominee Citizen Kane was just a technical gimmick that wouldn't be remembered as technique moved on. They couldn't have known that it would become the go-to study in film schools for generations. And I don't think Citizen Kane is the most moving or emotional movie of all time either, but history and the A.F.I. have definitely spoken on this one.
6) Rebecca
I know, it's blasphemy to say anything negative about the master, Alfred Hitchcock, but his one Best Picture winner is the one that never worked for me. It's such a slow, boring marital drama where nothing happens. When Olivier finally reveals the big twist, it's less of an "ah-ha!" and more of a "Why didn't you just say so to begin with?"
5) Crash
I actually think Crash was a perfectly good story about ensembles intersecting and ironic things happening. I just think the idea that it "tackled" racism was preposterous. Its idea that L.A. is racist because we drive cars is childish. Also, making every story have racism in it is as unrealistic as telling a story with no racism in it. They should have just told entertaining dramatic stories and not been so proud of themselves.
4) Chariots Of Fire
Yes, I'm putting the "classic" sports movie with the landmark score on this list. Maybe I'm a product of the modern age (I'm no fan of MTV editing though), but this movie is boring. I'll pretend that watching people run is exciting if that's the "gripping" subject material, but it's mainly about talking about running. Shin splints are more exciting.
3) Forrest Gump
I actually liked Forrest Gump when it first came out. It was never better than Pulp Fiction, Shawshank Redemption or Quiz Show, which it beat (man, 1994 was a great year for movies), but it certainly seemed like a fine mainstream choice. Well, watch it again and from today's perspective it doesn't hold up at all. In a post 9/11 world, some not-full-retard telling strangers about how his childhood girlfriend got molested just seems creepy. Now that the presidential visual effects are nothing special, the movie's not really about anything.
2) The English Patient
This one always pissed me off. Just make it long and put it in the desert and it's a Best Picture, right? I resent that. I also resent that people rave about this film's cinematography. What, they pointed the camera at the desert and it was pretty? This was probably the beginning of the end for Best Picture credibility, as most of this list was inspired by recent winners. We had to struggle to go back before the '90s.
1) A Beautiful Mind
This is just the most blatant case of let's do a movie about somebody with a disease and win awards for it. Now, the real John Nash triumphed over amazing adversity and his wife was a warrior. Just don't get all smug about how likeable his imaginary friends are and how magical the visual connections he sees in newspapers are. FYI: That's not an enlightening perspective on schizophrenia. It's just Oscar bait.
That's a pretty good list, although Forrest Gump would easily make my number 1.
While it isn't surprising it does still kind of piss me off that a movie praising the virtues of being unintelligent was named best picture.
I would have put The English Patient at the top of the list, never been able to get through that film.
Hmmmm....I like A Beautiful Mind...mainly because Connolly's performance was great, but yeah, otherwise I agree. Forrest Gump I never got as anything special. Shakespeare was totally a costume award.
However I only truly despise and utterly hate 1 best Picture: Gladiator.
I like Gladiator, but it is pretty much popcorn fluff and not worthy of best picture.
It does feature some outstanding performances from Joaquin Phoenix and the late Richard Harris and Oliver Reed.
Quote from: Hicks on February 18, 2010, 03:21:06 PM
That's a pretty good list, although Forrest Gump would easily make my number 1.
While it isn't surprising it does still kind of piss me off that a movie praising the virtues of being unintelligent was named best picture.
QFT. I hated Forrest Gump from the start. I like it better when it was under 4 minutes and called "We Didn't Start the Fire." What a gargantuan waste of time and money that movie was!
Every time I have seen the English Patient playing on TV I have fallen asleep. Rented it, fell asleep.
Pulp Fiction was robbed.
Quote from: Superfreakie on February 18, 2010, 04:11:16 PM
Pulp Fiction was robbed.
Especially considering Tarantino has not and will not top it.
I love Forrest Gump.
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Quote from: Gol D. Roger on February 18, 2010, 04:32:30 PM
I love Forrest Gump.
I loath Forrest Gump.
The ONLY redeeming quality of Forrest Gump is if you use it as a drinking game. My brother and friend were bored and created "Jenny"
1.) Get massive amounts of alcohol (you will need a lot)
2.) Put on Forrest Gump
3.) Take a drink/shot (depending on level of difficulty) each time Gump says "Jenny"
Good luck getting past Act II!!! :beerbang:
I like Gump but wouldn't have nominated it for best pic.
I like Rebecca. I have no idea what else was up that year, but no problem with it getting an Oscar.
From the movies I've seen and remember, the most undeserved Oscar goes to
Titanic.
ok, the effects were good. The dialogue was total crap. The love story that the picture centered on was more than a little sappy.
and, LA Confidential is a great film.
Ordinary People, Shakespeare In Love and Rebecca don't belong on the list. There were no doubt better movies in those years, but those three aren't at all bad.
If we want to go with the actual worst movies ever to win, here's my top 10, weighted to more recent movies, since a lot of those old winners i barely recall or never saw.
1. Dances With Wolves. It was terrible when it came out and it's aged like milk. Not only that, but Costner won the best director oscar. Know what else came out that year? Goodfellas. At which time Scorsese had not ever won a best director oscar. Kubrick? Never won.
Around The World In 80 Days
Tom Jones
Chariots of Fire
Titanic
English Patient
Forrest Gump
Chicago
Crash
Million Dollar Baby
Gladiator is the worst.
People who didn't like Forrest Gump are dumber than Forrest is.
Quote from: PIE-GUY on February 18, 2010, 04:09:29 PM
I hated Forrest Gump from the start. I liked it better when it was under 4 minutes and called "We Didn't Start the Fire."
:evil: :clap:
I still get teary-eyed at certain points in forrest, forrest gump. Luckily, I was in middle school and missed the "be stupid and succeed at life" subtext when it first came out. At the time, we were too busy doing hilarious impressions of all the catchphrases and pissing off our teachers.
"She tasted like CIG A rettes, Lt. Da-an"
"Jen-nay, I think you should come home to GreeNBOW ALABAMA!"
"Lt. Dan, you got new legs!"
"Sorry I ruined your Black Panther Party"
etc., etc.
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on February 18, 2010, 08:26:34 PM
Gladiator is the worst.
People who didn't like Forrest Gump are dumber than Forrest is.
Seriously? Forest Gump is the worst excuse for a movie ever... It is designed to tap into every little stupid heart-string of every American who lived through all those events while never adding insight into any of it. I really do see it as a drawn out version of "We Didn't Start the Fire." Tom Hanks is a great actor, don't get me wrong. Philadelphia is genius. But Forest Gump is the shallowest piece of shit movie I have ever seen...
I didn't think the message was "be stupid and succeed at life", I thought the message was "Be true and humble and succeed at life".
It wasn't stupidity that was Forrest's saving grace, it was his humility and good morals.
Quote from: PIE-GUY on February 18, 2010, 09:23:44 PM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on February 18, 2010, 08:26:34 PM
Gladiator is the worst.
People who didn't like Forrest Gump are dumber than Forrest is.
Seriously? Forest Gump is the worst excuse for a movie ever... It is designed to tap into every little stupid heart-string of every American who lived through all those events while never adding insight into any of it. I really do see it as a drawn out version of "We Didn't Start the Fire." Tom Hanks is a great actor, don't get me wrong. Philadelphia is genius. But Forest Gump is the shallowest piece of shit movie I have ever seen...
We saw two completely different movies. I'm sorry you're so jaded about it. I loved it and still do. It's a valid winner.
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on February 18, 2010, 09:24:10 PM
I didn't think the message was "be stupid and succeed at life", I thought the message was "Be true and humble and succeed at life".
It wasn't stupidity that was Forrest's saving grace, it was his humility and good morsels.
fixed your post.
The contrast between the Forrest and Jenny characters is quite telling.
Forrest just drifts along mindlessly and lucks into fame and fortune.
Jenny on the other hand questions authority, protests the war, and experiments with drugs/alternative lifestyles.
What happens to Jenny? She dies.
Yeah, great message there.
Shakespeare in Love is most definitely nothing more than a cheesy rom-com with fancy costumes. I'd give When Harry Met Sally a best picture Oscar before it any day of the week.
Quote from: Hicks on February 18, 2010, 09:42:09 PM
The contrast between the Forrest and Jenny characters is quite telling.
Forrest just drifts along mindlessly and lucks into fame and fortune.
Jenny on the other hand questions authority, protests the war, and experiments with drugs/alternative lifestyles.
What happens to Jenny? She dies.
Yeah, great message there.
Jenny only questions authority and experiments with drugs and alternative lifestyles in order to rebel for rebellions sake. She spends the entire movie running away from stability.
Forrest on the other hand has an excellent heart and spends the entire movie living his moral code. Why does he go running, is it to make a point? Nope. He just felt like going for a run.
Does Forrest ever condemn Jenny for her decisions? No. He doesn't understand why she makes her decisions, but he never thinks ill of her for making her decisions.
Forrest Gump is a great movie.
Let's not repeat the standard forrest gump fight, everyone. If you need to, refer to google for many variations on it. Our own search button probably has a couple in there.
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on July 30, 2007, 05:22:04 PM
Today I hate the fact that Jenny dies of aids (in the movie Forrest Gump).
Quote from: Hicks on February 18, 2010, 10:13:25 PM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on July 30, 2007, 05:22:04 PM
Today I hate the fact that Jenny dies of aids (in the movie Forrest Gump).
This is where PIE-GUY gets lost - I just don't have the history around here like you fools... I mean, I don't even know who Rich was!! :oops:
Quote from: PIE-GUY on February 18, 2010, 10:25:25 PM
Quote from: Hicks on February 18, 2010, 10:13:25 PM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on July 30, 2007, 05:22:04 PM
Today I hate the fact that Jenny dies of aids (in the movie Forrest Gump).
This is where PIE-GUY gets lost - I just don't have the history around here like you fools... I mean, I don't even know who Rich was!! :oops:
I don't understand it either. I think he's trying to call me stupid by saying that I am Forest Gump?
Just googled nominees from a few years.
Shakespeare in Love beat out Saving Private Ryan and Life is Beautiful :-o
those were both outrageous films
Forrest Gump's competition wasn't quite as good: "Four Weddings and a Funeral," "Pulp Fiction," "Quiz Show," "The Shawshank Redemption."
for my $, Pulp Fiction, or even Shawshank were stronger.
If Pulp Fiction had won, I think it would have been a bad choice. I think that Shawshank was good, but it wasn't as good as Forrest Gump. Nobody was disappointed in 1994 when Forrest won.
Don't get me started.. Don't even get me started.
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Quote from: PIE-GUY on February 20, 2010, 11:02:12 AM
Don't get me started.. Don't even get me started.
I think any movie that features solely innapropriate viewing matter is a bad choice to win the "best picture" oscar. It did deserve "best director" honors, however.
The Shawshank Redemption is as cheesy and button pushy as Forrest Gump is in my view, but Forrest Gump was classier and more well done.
I challenge you to find articles from Spring of 1995 arguing that Forrest Gump is a bad choice, I think you'll find it hard to do.
People love great stories, and Forrest Gump is a great story. Well-developed characters, fantastic acting and some never-before seen movie techniques (unless I'm wrong, I'm no film major) like Forrest interacting with JFK, chatting with Lennon on a late night show and being a part of the end of segregation in schools. Has there been a movie since then so widely quoted? Doubt it.
Shawshank is a great story too, though being hyper critical, I'd say the background pieces didn't work as well. We remember Andy and Red.. maybe Brooks, but these characters haven't become part of our everyday world in the way that you still hear imitations of Forrest, Bubba, Lt. Dan.
Are there any lasting quotes from The Shawshank Redemption? I can't remember any.
Pulp Fiction, although I'm a huge fan of the movie, was a little gimmicky for best picture, imo. Another well-told story, yes, but much of the story revolved around a suitcase with unknown contents, of which we're never informed. Are we really to believe that Marcellus Wallace's soul was in the briefcase? A great movie for sure, but not the "best" of that year.
Quote from: MiamiPhish on February 20, 2010, 11:49:59 AM
People love great stories, and Forrest Gump is a great story. Well-developed characters, fantastic acting and some never-before seen movie techniques (unless I'm wrong, I'm no film major) like Forrest interacting with JFK, chatting with Lennon on a late night show and being a part of the end of segregation in schools. Has there been a movie since then so widely quoted? Doubt it.
Shawshank is a great story too, though being hyper critical, I'd say the background pieces didn't work as well. We remember Andy and Red.. maybe Brooks, but these characters haven't become part of our everyday world in the way that you still hear imitations of Forrest, Bubba, Lt. Dan.
Are there any lasting quotes from The Shawshank Redemption? I can't remember any.
Pulp Fiction, although I'm a huge fan of the movie, was a little gimmicky for best picture, imo. Another well-told story, yes, but much of the story revolved around a suitcase with unknown contents, of which we're never informed. Are we really to believe that Marcellus Wallace's soul was in the briefcase? A great movie for sure, but not the "best" of that year.
THIS.
(also, 1994 was a killer year for movies.)
Pulp Fiction was "gimmicky" because we never found out what was in the suitcase?
lol, you guys suck at watching movies.
And if the measure of a movie's greatness is how many catch phrases it generated, then Mike Judge is probably right and in a few years we'll all be watching movies called "Ass".
In any case, I'll take dialog like this over meaningless tripe like "stupid is as stupid does" any day of the week.
"There's not a day goes by I don't feel regret. Not because I'm in here, or because you think I should. I look back on the way I was then: a young, stupid kid who committed that terrible crime. I want to talk to him. I want to try and talk some sense to him, tell him the way things are. But I can't. That kid's long gone and this old man is all that's left. I got to live with that. Rehabilitated? It's just a bullshit word. So you go on and stamp your form, sonny, and stop wasting my time. Because to tell you the truth, I don't give a shit. "
That commercial with Fred Astaire dancing with the vacuum cleaner came out in '96/97.
Forrest Gump = influential
And finally, The Big Lebowski is far more quotable than Forrest Gump.
You're out of your element Donny.
I love it how impassioned hicks is concerning Forrest Gump.
Haters gonna hate.
No. Pulp Fiction was gimmicky because the story revolved around ridiculous situations and shocking dialog. Take away the weirdo dialog and the shock factor and the story doesn't even really make that much sense. It's a great absurdest comedy, for sure, totally not Oscar best picture material.
Like I said before, I challenge you to find articles from '94/'95 in mainstream publications that argue that Forrest Gump wasn't the best picture of the year, you can't.
Quote from: Hicks on February 20, 2010, 01:00:45 PM
Pulp Fiction was "gimmicky" because we never found out what was in the suitcase?
lol, you guys suck at watching movies.
And if the measure of a movie's greatness is how many catch phrases it generated, then Mike Judge is probably right and in a few years we'll all be watching movies called "Ass".
In any case, I'll take dialog like this over meaningless tripe like "stupid is as stupid does" any day of the week.
"There's not a day goes by I don't feel regret. Not because I'm in here, or because you think I should. I look back on the way I was then: a young, stupid kid who committed that terrible crime. I want to talk to him. I want to try and talk some sense to him, tell him the way things are. But I can't. That kid's long gone and this old man is all that's left. I got to live with that. Rehabilitated? It's just a bullshit word. So you go on and stamp your form, sonny, and stop wasting my time. Because to tell you the truth, I don't give a shit. "
That quote says a lot about Shawshank. I mean, there are some brilliant characters played with great depth in that flick. Pulp Fiction, too. Like this quote here:
"Well, I'm a mushroom-cloud-layin' motherfucker, motherfucker! Every time my fingers touch brain, I'm Superfly T.N.T., I'm the Guns of the Navarone! IN FACT, WHAT THE FUCK AM I DOIN' IN THE BACK? YOU'RE THE MOTHERFUCKER WHO SHOULD BE ON BRAIN DETAIL! We're fuckin' switchin'! I'm washin' the windows, and you're pickin' up this nigger's skull!"
Tough to find deeper dialogue than that!
Thank you pie guy for affirming everything I just said about Pulp Fiction with this post.
Brilliant!
:-D
"There's a passage I got memorized. Ezekiel 25:17. The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you. I been sayin' that shit for years. And if you ever heard it, that meant your ass. I never game much thought to what it meant. I just thought it was a cold-blooded thing to say to a motherfucker before I popped a cap in his ass. But I saw some shit this mornin' made me think twice. See, now I'm thinkin': maybe it means you're the evil man. And I'm the righteous man. And Mr. 9mm here, he's the shepherd protecting my righteous ass in the valley of darkness. Or it could mean you're the righteous man and I'm the shepherd and it's the world that's evil and selfish. And I'd like that. But that shit ain't the truth. The truth is you're the weak. And I'm the tyranny of evil men. But I'm tryin', Ringo. I'm tryin' real hard to be the shepherd"
Paraphrased quotation from Dr. Nanney, my 11th grade American Lit teacher (she taught at Georgetown before she taught at my school and was not a conservative..she went to woodstock...etc...I had her in 94-95)
"How do you all feel about the movie Pulp Fiction?"
"Here's how I feel. I find it abhorrable that this film is being idolized by youngsters nationwide"
"It has nothing to do with the outrageous violent content or the use of fowl language that is pervasive throughout the movie."
"What I find abhorrable about it is the message"
What's the message Doctor Nanney?
"The message that I find so abhorrable is the message that the moral center of the movie (Jules) is the most amoral person possible. The man spends the entire movie killing people and dealing in death and drugs. Yet, this is the man whom in the movie preaches the Gospel to us. The hypocrisy inherent in making him the moral center and the fact that teenagers everywhere idolize him and the other characters in this movie I find to be unconscionable."
"Now, for us to find some true moral values, I want you guys to open your Norton Anthologies to Emerson, today we start the Transcendentalists."
Dr. Nanney freaking ruled. :mrgreen:
To those who missed the brilliance that is Pulp Fiction, I feel sorry for you. Fantastic cinematography, the use of light and color was astounding for that period of production. It's all the little things that make it so amazing. The attention to detail. And as for dialogue, hmmm look at the title. The fact that you introduce your 11th grade Lit. teacher as an authority on cinema, is even more sad. Does a movie have to propagate "good morals" in order to be considered great. Consider Debbie does Dallas, a great movie and one whose influence on American culture and life is immeasurable, yet it would hardly pass Dr. fucktard Nanney's criteria for a great movie. Please open up your scope of criteria for a great movie beyond that of passing along some Disney message of morality.
Quote from: Superfreakie on February 20, 2010, 06:37:45 PM
To those who missed the brilliance that is Pulp Fiction, I feel sorry for you. Fantastic cinematography, the use of light and color was astounding for that period of production. It's all the little things that make it so amazing. The attention to detail. And as for dialogue, hmmm look at the title. The fact that you introduce your 11th grade Lit. teacher as an authority on cinema, is even more sad. Does a movie have to propagate "good morals" in order to be considered great. Consider Debbie does Dallas, a great movie and one whose influence on American culture and life is immeasurable, yet it would hardly pass Dr. fucktard Nanney's criteria for a great movie. Please open up your scope of criteria for a great movie beyond that of passing along some Disney message of morality.
hahaha, awesome SF.
Also, morality being found in unlikely places is a phenomenon I like to call "real life", and the best art imitates it.
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Quote from: Hicks on February 21, 2010, 02:10:11 PM
Also, morality being found in unlikely places is a phenomenon I like to call "real life", and the best art imitates it.
Her point was that the movie isn't about morality being found in unlikely places, but rather that the movie uses Christian ideology to excuse the behavior of Jules throughout the movie.
Him quoting some scripture and saying that he's trying to be a good man doesn't exactly excuse his ill behavior, in other words.
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Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on February 21, 2010, 02:17:33 PM
Quote from: Hicks on February 21, 2010, 02:10:11 PM
Also, morality being found in unlikely places is a phenomenon I like to call "real life", and the best art imitates it.
Her point was that the movie isn't about morality being found in unlikely places, but rather that the movie uses Christian ideology to excuse the behavior of Jules throughout the movie.
Him quoting some scripture and saying that he's trying to be a good man doesn't exactly excuse his ill behavior, in other words.
ok, so how does that make it a bad movie?
certainly, it's consistent with real life - ie churchgoers and bible quoters who are more amoral than us heathans.
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Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on February 21, 2010, 02:17:33 PM
Quote from: Hicks on February 21, 2010, 02:10:11 PM
Also, morality being found in unlikely places is a phenomenon I like to call "real life", and the best art imitates it.
Her point was that the movie isn't about morality being found in unlikely places, but rather that the movie uses Christian ideology to excuse the behavior of Jules throughout the movie.
Him quoting some scripture and saying that he's trying to be a good man doesn't exactly excuse his ill behavior, in other words.
ok, so how does that make it a bad movie?
certainly, it's consistent with real life - ie churchgoers and bible quoters who are more amoral than us heathans.
Where did I say it was a bad movie? I love the movie. I just don't think it was oscar worthy compared to Forrest Gump.
Also, the hypocrisy of religious folk is played out and trite. Spend some time in churches and you'll find that more often than not the religious folk practice what they preach.
Quote from: Hicks on February 21, 2010, 02:18:31 PM
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that has got to be the dumbest analysis of pulp fiction ever. thank your high school teacher for that, fauxfax. i mean i don't think pulp fiction is great or anything, but it's a lot of fun.
gump may seriously be one of the worst movies of all time. i'd rank dances with wolves higher, but that's just me.
Also, if we have to get all Christ-y in our analysis of Pulp Fiction, shouldn't Jules admission that he his a sinner "I'm the tyranny of evil men", and that he has a desire to change, "but I'm trying real hard to be the righteous man", mean that he should be granted forgiveness? I'm no Christian, but I've heard a little about it, and I'm pretty sure that's how it works.
I mean really we could see Jules as "born again" once his life is spared in the apartment, which he obviously subscribes to the work of a higher power.
From that perspective Jules is an example of the power of Christ (or at least some sort of higher power) to motivate a sinner toward redemption.
Quote from: Hicks on February 21, 2010, 03:18:43 PM
Also, if we have to get all Christ-y in our analysis of Pulp Fiction, shouldn't Jules admission that he his a sinner "I'm the tyranny of evil men", and that he has a desire to change, "but I'm trying real hard to be the righteous man", mean that he should be granted forgiveness? I'm no Christian, but I've heard a little about it, and I'm pretty sure that's how it works.
I mean really we could see Jules as "born again" once his life is spared in the apartment, which he obviously subscribes to the work of a higher power.
From that perspective Jules is an example of the power of Christ (or at least some sort of higher power) to motivate a sinner toward redemption.
This is exactly the response Dr. Nanney wanted to elicit. You totes get an A on the assignment.
Good discussion, btw.
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on February 21, 2010, 03:25:17 PM
Quote from: Hicks on February 21, 2010, 03:18:43 PM
Also, if we have to get all Christ-y in our analysis of Pulp Fiction, shouldn't Jules admission that he his a sinner "I'm the tyranny of evil men", and that he has a desire to change, "but I'm trying real hard to be the righteous man", mean that he should be granted forgiveness? I'm no Christian, but I've heard a little about it, and I'm pretty sure that's how it works.
I mean really we could see Jules as "born again" once his life is spared in the apartment, which he obviously subscribes to the work of a higher power.
From that perspective Jules is an example of the power of Christ (or at least some sort of higher power) to motivate a sinner toward redemption.
This is exactly the response Dr. Nanney wanted to elicit. You totes get an A on the assignment.
Good discussion, btw.
So what about that theme/message makes it "abhorrable"?
That don't make no sense.
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Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on February 21, 2010, 03:25:17 PM
Quote from: Hicks on February 21, 2010, 03:18:43 PM
Also, if we have to get all Christ-y in our analysis of Pulp Fiction, shouldn't Jules admission that he his a sinner "I'm the tyranny of evil men", and that he has a desire to change, "but I'm trying real hard to be the righteous man", mean that he should be granted forgiveness? I'm no Christian, but I've heard a little about it, and I'm pretty sure that's how it works.
I mean really we could see Jules as "born again" once his life is spared in the apartment, which he obviously subscribes to the work of a higher power.
From that perspective Jules is an example of the power of Christ (or at least some sort of higher power) to motivate a sinner toward redemption.
This is exactly the response Dr. Nanney wanted to elicit. You totes get an A on the assignment.
Good discussion, btw.
So what about that theme/message makes it "abhorrable"?
That don't make no sense.
Such is the way of Zen, my friend.
Zed's dead baby, Zed's dead.
But what does Pulp Fiction ruling have to do with the fact that Forrest Gump rulez it even harder in a different way?
/me grabs bag of chips and pulls chair into thread.
Quote from: khalpin on February 21, 2010, 07:30:14 PM
/me grabs bag of chips and pulls chair into thread.
Hey Khalpin! How're ya doin' buddy!
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on February 21, 2010, 07:33:04 PM
Quote from: khalpin on February 21, 2010, 07:30:14 PM
/me grabs bag of chips and pulls chair into thread.
Hey Khalpin! How're ya doin' buddy!
Fantastic! Got a nice buzz working. Hanging out with the kids about to watch some hockey. You?
Quote from: khalpin on February 21, 2010, 07:44:13 PM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on February 21, 2010, 07:33:04 PM
Quote from: khalpin on February 21, 2010, 07:30:14 PM
/me grabs bag of chips and pulls chair into thread.
Hey Khalpin! How're ya doin' buddy!
Fantastic! Got a nice buzz working. Hanging out with the kids about to watch some hockey. You?
Just threw some frisbee and kicked a soccer ball outside...back to watching band practice.
Quote from: Hicks on February 21, 2010, 03:18:43 PM
Also, if we have to get all Christ-y in our analysis of Pulp Fiction, shouldn't Jules admission that he his a sinner "I'm the tyranny of evil men", and that he has a desire to change, "but I'm trying real hard to be the righteous man", mean that he should be granted forgiveness? I'm no Christian, but I've heard a little about it, and I'm pretty sure that's how it works.
I mean really we could see Jules as "born again" once his life is spared in the apartment, which he obviously subscribes to the work of a higher power.
From that perspective Jules is an example of the power of Christ (or at least some sort of higher power) to motivate a sinner toward redemption.
Correct.
And the fact that Jules isn't waiting in Butch's apartment with Vincent demonstrates to us that Jules did, in fact, attempt a change and leave the employ of Marsellus Wallace.
Quote from: rowjimmy on February 22, 2010, 12:12:18 PM
Quote from: Hicks on February 21, 2010, 03:18:43 PM
Also, if we have to get all Christ-y in our analysis of Pulp Fiction, shouldn't Jules admission that he his a sinner "I'm the tyranny of evil men", and that he has a desire to change, "but I'm trying real hard to be the righteous man", mean that he should be granted forgiveness? I'm no Christian, but I've heard a little about it, and I'm pretty sure that's how it works.
I mean really we could see Jules as "born again" once his life is spared in the apartment, which he obviously subscribes to the work of a higher power.
From that perspective Jules is an example of the power of Christ (or at least some sort of higher power) to motivate a sinner toward redemption.
Correct.
And the fact that Jules isn't waiting in Butch's apartment with Vincent demonstrates to us that Jules did, in fact, attempt a change and leave the employ of Marsellus Wallace.
Like I said, this is exactly the response Dr. Nanney wanted to elicit from her students. Just because she said that she thought the movie was amoral didn't mean she thought the movie was amoral. She was just prying to get the students to think about what the moral lesson of the movie actually was.
Good thread guyz.
BTW, on this subject, if you haven't seen:
(http://users.skynet.be/fb352142/images/killing-zoe.jpg)
Download it or queue it or rent it this week! IT'S AWESOME.
Leon (The Professional) deserved some BP talk, imo, as well. Ed Wood, which I've heard is great but have never seen, also came out in '94.
My vote: Dumb and Dumber. Greatest. Comedy. Ever.
Quote from: MiamiPhish on February 22, 2010, 12:22:35 PM
Leon (The Professional) deserved some BP talk, imo, as well. Ed Wood, which I've heard is great but have never seen, also came out in '94.
My vote: Dumb and Dumber. Greatest. Comedy. Ever.
I thought that was a foreign film? Or am I thinking of another...
I kinda think the Usual Suspects got snubbed that year. Also, I remember rooting for Shawshank during the Oscars, because I like underdogs, not because I didn't like Forrest Gump.
I'm probably younger than you (24) but I didn't see Shawshank till waaaaaay after it came out.. maybe even 7 or 8 years after or so.
Forrest, however, I do remember seeing in the theaters. And I remember a lot of hype about it before I got to see it.
Shawshank got a lot of buzz going for it that year. Certainly not anywhere near as much as Forrest Gump which had an incredible marketing campaign. I saw Shawshank on video I think when it came out before the Oscars. My dad loves Stephen King, so it was pretty much requisite to see the movie.
But yeah, Forrest Gump was on every major talk show and tv news show for months before and after it's release.
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on February 22, 2010, 12:27:02 PM
Quote from: MiamiPhish on February 22, 2010, 12:22:35 PM
Leon (The Professional) deserved some BP talk, imo, as well. Ed Wood, which I've heard is great but have never seen, also came out in '94.
My vote: Dumb and Dumber. Greatest. Comedy. Ever.
I thought that was a foreign film? Or am I thinking of another...
I kinda think the Usual Suspects got snubbed that year. Also, I remember rooting for Shawshank during the Oscars, because I like underdogs, not because I didn't like Forrest Gump.
Usual Suspects is one of my favorite films ever.
Came out in 95
Quote from: slslbs on February 22, 2010, 10:21:00 PM
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on February 22, 2010, 12:27:02 PM
Quote from: MiamiPhish on February 22, 2010, 12:22:35 PM
Leon (The Professional) deserved some BP talk, imo, as well. Ed Wood, which I've heard is great but have never seen, also came out in '94.
My vote: Dumb and Dumber. Greatest. Comedy. Ever.
I thought that was a foreign film? Or am I thinking of another...
I kinda think the Usual Suspects got snubbed that year. Also, I remember rooting for Shawshank during the Oscars, because I like underdogs, not because I didn't like Forrest Gump.
Usual Suspects is one of my favorite films ever.
Came out in 95
Oops. My fault. You're right. Same with Seven too? That was like a mini movie renaissance. So me seriously dope films.
Just caught some of Forrest Gump again tonight.
It rocks, I don't care what anyone says. :-P
Quote from: Phishy69 on February 22, 2010, 10:44:51 PM
Just caught some of Forrest Gump again tonight.
It rocks, I don't care what anyone says. :-P
Is that all you have to say about that?
:wtu:
Quote from: kellerb on February 22, 2010, 11:20:15 PM
Quote from: Phishy69 on February 22, 2010, 10:44:51 PM
Just caught some of Forrest Gump again tonight.
It rocks, I don't care what anyone says. :-P
Is that all you have to say about that?
:wtu:
You guys are just Forrest Gump Hater Haterz.
I....AM.... NUTT TING!!!
(http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/3267/gumpe.jpg)
Quote from: mirthbeatenworker on February 22, 2010, 11:42:34 PM
I....AM.... NUTT TING!!!
(http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/3267/gumpe.jpg)
That's Forrest about to puke.
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on February 22, 2010, 12:27:02 PM
Quote from: MiamiPhish on February 22, 2010, 12:22:35 PM
Leon (The Professional) deserved some BP talk, imo, as well. Ed Wood, which I've heard is great but have never seen, also came out in '94.
My vote: Dumb and Dumber. Greatest. Comedy. Ever.
I thought that was a foreign film? Or am I thinking of another...
Leon, was a great film, imo. Matter of fact I think I might throw that on this weekend.
And, yes, it was foreign (French).
That's what I thought. I'm on a French kick lately and have never seen the professional. I just watched Killing Zoe, so I guess I'll put that one on some time.
(I haven't seen it yet.)
Quote from: fauxpaxfauxreal on February 23, 2010, 02:06:40 AM
That's what I thought. I'm on a French kick lately and have never seen the professional. I just watched Killing Zoe, so I guess I'll put that one on some time.
(I haven't seen it yet.)
When you do check it out, make sure you get "Léon: The Professional", not "The Professional". It has about a half dozen original scenes that were cut from the American theatrical version. I guess they thought the American audience would feel "awkward" watching those scenes. I'd explain further, but I don't want to spoil anything. Anyhow, cutting out those scenes really takes away from what the plot truly is, IMO.
Thanks for the suggestion. (And for not ignoring me. :angel:)
Quote from: kellerb on February 22, 2010, 11:20:15 PM
Quote from: Phishy69 on February 22, 2010, 10:44:51 PM
Just caught some of Forrest Gump again tonight.
It rocks, I don't care what anyone says. :-P
Is that all you have to say about that?
:wtu:
I'm behind in the times with some of these threads but that just made me lol. :beers: